Hi,
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 05:15:37PM +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
>> Provocative question: is there any way that some unbiased survey would
>> change the emphasis of development from gnome-shell to the fallback mode?
>> And increase the co
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:38:30PM +1300, John Stowers wrote:
> Olav, I suggest you continue to moderate this thread. I predict nothing
> good will come of it.
Consider it killed.
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On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 09:58:15AM +0200, Mark wrote:
> > False
> >
> false
> > False
> >
> false
> > False
> >
> false
> > False
> >
> and false
> You are false in all false points. The points are all from messages in this
> thread so i recommend you to read back on the list since you obviousl
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 01:09:18AM +0200, Mark wrote:
> > Some facts.
> > 1. Gnome wants feedback but any feedback gathered online is "non
> > representative". It has to be gathered from a "non biased" site like
> > cnn.com-_- guess the perso
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:01:53AM +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
> Ok, thanks for the reasonable answer. Don't you think it would make
> sense for the GNOME to conduct such review officially? And perhaps
> explicitly exclude GNOME developers from participation, to make it
> unbiased;)
This was alr
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 01:09:18AM +0200, Mark wrote:
> Some facts.
> 1. Gnome wants feedback but any feedback gathered online is "non
> representative". It has to be gathered from a "non biased" site like
> cnn.com-_- guess the person who said that lives in a dream world or
> under a stone
False
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Shaun McCance wrote:
> I can't speak for everybody. But as I've said numerous times,
> I don't trust any survey that has no control over its sampling.
> And preferably, it would be run by people who have some amount
> of professional experience.
Ok, thanks for the
> The metaphore mismatch in two points - the users of GNOME have the power
> to fork it (I heard even calls to fork GNOME before 3.0) so if
> sufficient number of developers decides to maintain GNOME 2 it may still
> live (probably under different name - IANAL and I'm not sure about
> trademark etc
On 18/10/2011 18:15, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
>> What's stopping these deprived users from using Gnome 2.X? I don't think
>> there's enough developers interested in keeping the 2.X series alive - it
>> would be a different matter if people were smashing out the features/patches
>> for the 2.X range b
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 00:26 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
> What I initially asked - and still did not get the answer - what could
> be the format of the feedback that could change the policies. Perhaps
> reverting some of them. What kind of critical feedback would not be
> treated as "useless"?
I
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 01:09 +0200, Mark wrote:
> I really want to drop in here.
> I on purposely say "gnome" instead of "you" to avoid giving the
> impression that i attack anyone.
Honestly, given your hostile tone, it instead comes off as if
you're attacking everybody. I'm going to try to assume
>
> Phoronix and any linux news orientated site would be _perfect_ for a
> Gnome survey! If gnome thinks otherwise then keep on living in that
> little perfect utopia world of gnome. Reality is way different. Gnome
> really seems to be living in some ideal small "everyone loves gnome"
> world whe
> I really want to drop in here.
> I on purposely say "gnome" instead of "you" to avoid giving the impression
that i attack anyone.
Mark, I am afraid that still looks like an attack... While in general I
agree with you, I guess the format of your message is not appropriate. It
does not make sense t
> AFAIK the goal was to only maintain it until the very last graphics
> chip in use was able to run shell. It's not there as a preference,
> it's a fallback mode for unsupported hardware.
Plenty of people see it as a preference, but right now on the hardware
side there are plenty of chipsets witho
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Sergey Udaltsov
> wrote:
> > Iirc the fallback mode is using new gtk and stuff... why is it obsolete?
>
> AFAIK the goal was to only maintain it until the very last graphics
> chip in use was able to run sh
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 08:20:18PM +0200, Rovanion Luckey wrote:
> 2011/10/18 Olav Vitters
>
> > At the moment, it seems almost noone is using fallback mode. As such, I
> > don't think the current efforts made into fallback more will continue
> > for too long. Usage seems to be minimal. But not a
2011/10/18 Olav Vitters
> At the moment, it seems almost noone is using fallback mode. As such, I
> don't think the current efforts made into fallback more will continue
> for too long. Usage seems to be minimal. But not a lot of distributions
> have GNOME 3 yet, so it is also a bit early to tell
> What's stopping these deprived users from using Gnome 2.X? I don't think
> there's enough developers interested in keeping the 2.X series alive - it
> would be a different matter if people were smashing out the features/patches
> for the 2.X range but as that's not happening I don't see why they
> for too long. Usage seems to be minimal. But not a lot of distributions
> have GNOME 3 yet, so it is also a bit early to tell.
Exactly. Let's wait till all distros outphase gnome 2.x
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> > Phoronix is a tabloid seeking sensation.
> Agree. But I guess it is not a surprise that some users are crying for good
> old gnome2. If gnome could properly estimate the share of those deprived...
> would it change anything?
What's stopping these deprived users from using Gnome 2.X? I don't
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 05:15:37PM +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
> Provocative question: is there any way that some unbiased survey would
> change the emphasis of development from gnome-shell to the fallback mode?
> And increase the configurability and so on.. Or - the current strategy is
> unchang
> AFAIK the goal was to only maintain it until the very last graphics
> chip in use was able to run shell. It's not there as a preference,
> it's a fallback mode for unsupported hardware.
Absolutely! My question was exactly about that - is there theoretical
possibility that proper survey would amen
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 17:34 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
> Iirc the fallback mode is using new gtk and stuff... why is it
> obsolete?
Is this another provocative question?
It's a fallback that *by definition* uses older technologies to have
something usable on hardware that do not support gnome-s
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Sergey Udaltsov
wrote:
> Iirc the fallback mode is using new gtk and stuff... why is it obsolete?
AFAIK the goal was to only maintain it until the very last graphics
chip in use was able to run shell. It's not there as a preference,
it's a fallback mode for unsupp
Iirc the fallback mode is using new gtk and stuff... why is it obsolete?
I was asking looking at the anger and nostalgie expressed on phoronix.
On Oct 18, 2011 5:29 p.m., "Cosimo Cecchi" wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 17:15 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
>
> > Provocative question: is there any w
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 17:15 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
> Provocative question: is there any way that some unbiased survey would
> change the emphasis of development from gnome-shell to the fallback
> mode? And increase the configurability and so on.. Or - the current
> strategy is unchangeable
Would anybody have time to prepare some useful survey?
Provocative question: is there any way that some unbiased survey would
change the emphasis of development from gnome-shell to the fallback mode?
And increase the configurability and so on.. Or - the current strategy is
unchangeable (unfalsifia
It's useless to me because there's nothing actionable there. The
survey results don't give us anything to do except die in a fire.
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On 18 October 2011 16:52, Olav Vitters wrote:
> Such actions just confirms that the effort was not an honest intention
> to gather feedback. Just to confirm own thoughts.
I don't think many of us on this list thought the intention of the
survey was to highlight areas needing improvement in GNOME.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:35:24AM -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 17:27 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 04:54:12PM +0200, Mark wrote:
> > > FYI: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwMjY
> >
> > Useless.
>
> Web surveys are guaranteed to
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 17:27 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 04:54:12PM +0200, Mark wrote:
> > FYI: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwMjY
>
> Useless.
Web surveys are guaranteed to self-select, and I have to imagine a
survey hosted on phoronix self-selects
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 04:54:12PM +0200, Mark wrote:
> FYI: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwMjY
Useless.
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
> > There's been a lot of work done to improve GNOME 3 over the last 6
> > months. A lot of the complaints of GNOME 3.0 have been already
> > addressed. Why not just do it after (even more!) distros ship GNOME
> > 3.2?
>
> The first one is probabl
> There's been a lot of work done to improve GNOME 3 over the last 6
> months. A lot of the complaints of GNOME 3.0 have been already
> addressed. Why not just do it after (even more!) distros ship GNOME
> 3.2?
The first one is probably going to shed more light on what should be
asked than anythin
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Ionut Biru wrote:
[snip]
>> In my opinion this survey should be published after gnome 3.2 is presented
>> to a larger audience, now that ubuntu 11.10 is going to have it, opensuse
>> 12.1
>
> That would b
On 19 September 2011 17:08, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Ionut Biru wrote:
>> I didn't participate to this discussion before but i think the survey is
>> pointless now because GNOME 3 wasn't presented to users at all.
>>
>> From the top 10 mainstream distributions,
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Ionut Biru wrote:
> I didn't participate to this discussion before but i think the survey is
> pointless now because GNOME 3 wasn't presented to users at all.
>
> From the top 10 mainstream distributions, conform distrowatch, only 2 of
> them have gnome 3.0.
>
> I
chael, is there anything else I need to do to help you put it on Phoronix?
As usual, it's hosted here:
https://gist.github.com/gists/1128166
Cheers.
GNOME user survey 2011
=== 03. Overall, how satisfied are you with GNOME? ===
[single choice]
* not at all
* barely
* halfway
* mostly
p you put it on Phoronix?
As usual, it's hosted here:
https://gist.github.com/gists/1128166
Cheers.
GNOME user survey 2011
=== 01. Do you know what GNOME is? ===
[single choice]
* Yes [skip to 03]
* No
=== 02. Which of the following best resemble your desktop? ===
(click to see the i
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 23:38 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Here's the next version of the survey. Unfortunately, it seems this is
>> not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10
>> questions in the free version. I h
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 15:38, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> Unfortunately, it seems this is
>> not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10
>> questions in the free version. I haven't found a better free online
>> s
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 23:38 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here's the next version of the survey. Unfortunately, it seems this is
> not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10
> questions in the free version. I haven't found a better free online
> survey, and unl
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 15:38, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> Unfortunately, it seems this is
> not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10
> questions in the free version. I haven't found a better free online
> survey, and unless somebody offers hosting for this survey, it woul
Hi,
Here's the next version of the survey. Unfortunately, it seems this is
not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10
questions in the free version. I haven't found a better free online
survey, and unless somebody offers hosting for this survey, it would
have to be limite
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 23:21, Stormy Peters wrote:
> Of course, maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps the average user of Linux/GNOME does
> know what GNOME is, knows how to contact the GNOME team
Maybe this is an interesting point to know.
Also from a branding point of view.
Is it important (or not) that
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Benjamin Otte wrote:
> Felipe Contreras gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> That doesn't change the fact that everyone understands the word "happy".
> http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html
Yes, I have seen that video before.
Howev
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Maciej Marcin Piechotka
wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> >>> Likewise,
>> >>> 'happy' will be thought of differently by different people (a very odd
>> >>> word to include in a questionnaire, if you don't mind me saying):
>> >>
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Federico Mena Quintero
wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 18:35 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> What do you think?
>
> Keep in mind that Gnome 3 just hasn't been around for very long. Right
> now Gnome 3 is most likely only being used by technical people, Linux
>
Felipe Contreras gmail.com> writes:
>
> That doesn't change the fact that everyone understands the word "happy".
>
http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html
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On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:26:08PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> > Yes, because you have no idea how big the population is. Maybe 10
>> > million is the total population and it's representative. Maybe it's 50%
>> > of the population, d
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:05:26 +0100
Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:53:46PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > > If you went back to 1991 and wanted a production-quality kernel within a
> > > year, Linux probably wouldn't be your starting point. There'd be a
> > > learning proc
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:26:08PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > Yes, because you have no idea how big the population is. Maybe 10
> > million is the total population and it's representative. Maybe it's 50%
> > of the population, disproportionately biased towards those of a given
> > prior opi
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>>
>> I am not being aggressive. All I am asking is for clarification; is
>> there *anything* I could do to make the survey more acceptable to you
>> guys, or are you opposed to the
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:53:46PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > If you went back to 1991 and wanted a production-quality kernel within a
> > year, Linux probably wouldn't be your starting point. There'd be a
> > learning process involved with setting up a professional-quality survey
> > team,
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 19 August 2011 20:26, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> ...To me GNOME is hitting
>> everything in the room as it's going forward, and saying; I'm fine, I
>> know where I'm going...
>
> To me, the sun is shining through the windows of a freshl
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> (Resend: Managed to leave d-d-l off Cc: by accident)
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 06:15:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
>> > Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
>> > users doesn't result in learning. It results
On 19 August 2011 20:26, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> ...To me GNOME is hitting
> everything in the room as it's going forward, and saying; I'm fine, I
> know where I'm going...
To me, the sun is shining through the windows of a freshly redecorated room.
If you have specific problems with GNOME, fi
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 08:14:25PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> > Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
>> > users doesn't result in learnin
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 18:35 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> What do you think?
Keep in mind that Gnome 3 just hasn't been around for very long. Right
now Gnome 3 is most likely only being used by technical people, Linux
enthusiasts, etc. - it has not trickled down to end users yet. We may
have
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 14:46, Luc Pionchon wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 13:14, Allan Day wrote:
>>
>> We already have a wealth of data about peoples' experiences with GNOME 3
>
> Allan, this is interesting, what is the main pointer to access this data?
>
Allan,
you may have missed it in thi
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 21:20, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> The people most likely to respond to an irritating popup that disrupts their
> work
> are people who ...
... do not use GNOME 3.
GNOME 3 is designed to reduce distraction and interruption and to put
you in control. Our new notifications s
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Felipe Contreras <
felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not being aggressive. All I am asking is for clarification; is
> there *anything* I could do to make the survey more acceptable to you
> guys, or are you opposed to the very idea of having a user surve
(Resend: Managed to leave d-d-l off Cc: by accident)
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 06:15:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
> > users doesn't result in learning. It results in data that forms some
>
> You need truely or reasonably
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 08:14:25PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
> > users doesn't result in learning.
>
> Unless the biases are identified, which we are trying
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 19 August 2011 18:42, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Sure, I just wanted to make things clear. In fact, if they cared about
>> user feedback, there would be some numbers available somewhere, and I
>> wouldn't have to do this.
>
> We're not a
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 08:03:45PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> I can only think of one reason why somebody would provide criticism
>> without suggestions for improvement...
>
> 1. Because they cannot think of a good suggestion.
Then su
Really ought to stay out of this thread but there is one point that is
important to address below.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> But again, as I said, if there's no survey on Earth you could trust,
> just ignore the results. Results by themselves cannot hurt you.
Thi
On 19 August 2011 18:42, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> Sure, I just wanted to make things clear. In fact, if they cared about
> user feedback, there would be some numbers available somewhere, and I
> wouldn't have to do this.
We're not asking you to do anything. Please just run the poll on your
perso
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Jonathon Jongsma
wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 19:42 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
>> > On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras
>> > wrote:
>> >> Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield wrote:
>> >
>> > Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user survey.
>>
>> Indeed, do you have a better sug
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Felipe Contreras <
felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield wrote:
> >
> > Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user survey.
>
> Indeed, do you have a better suggestion?
>
>
There are several other
> Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
> users doesn't result in learning. It results in data that forms some
You need truely or reasonably random samples for certain kinds of
activities and analysis in particularly quantitative analysis when you
want to perfo
On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 19:42 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras
> > wrote:
> >> Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of
> >> GNOME? Can you convince him of doing so?
>
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:37:33PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
>
>> Doing nothing achieves nothing, doing something achieves learning. You
>> may well not learn what you intended but you will learn something
>> including quite possibly how to do
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:37:33PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Doing nothing achieves nothing, doing something achieves learning. You
> may well not learn what you intended but you will learn something
> including quite possibly how to do future surveys better.
Any survey that isn't a carefully cont
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of
>> GNOME? Can you convince him of doing so?
>
> Do your survey with the questions you want, and come to your own
> co
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wrote:
>>> On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras
>>> writes:
>>>
That's a reasonable alternative. How about "pleased"? An
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 19 août 2011 à 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit :
>> It's easy to throw empty criticism. Provide *suggestions*.
>
> Well, here’s a suggestion: since nobody knows how to address the correct
> target population or how to int
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Frederic Muller wrote:
> On 08/19/2011 09:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wrote:
>>> On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras
>>> writes:
>>>
That's a reasonable alternative. How about "pleased"? Any other peo
> Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user survey.
> As stated, for a project which currently targets, among others, users
> who do not care what parts of their operating system can be labelled
> "GNOME" a survey is not a very reliable way of gathering feedback.
>
> Have you
On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >>> Likewise,
> >>> 'happy' will be thought of differently by different people (a very odd
> >>> word to include in a questionnaire, if you don't mind me saying):
> >>
> >> I think everyone understands the word happy.
> >
> > /ME wipes a
Le vendredi 19 août 2011 à 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit :
> It's easy to throw empty criticism. Provide *suggestions*.
Well, here’s a suggestion: since nobody knows how to address the correct
target population or how to interpret the results, I suggest to spend
our time fixing bugs inste
On 08/19/2011 09:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wrote:
>> On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras
>> writes:
>>
>>> That's a reasonable alternative. How about "pleased"? Any other people
>>> have an opinion?
>>
>> You present yourself as reasona
On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of
> GNOME? Can you convince him of doing so?
Do your survey with the questions you want, and come to your own
conclusions. Blog about them if you want. You could even convince a
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wrote:
>> On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras
>> writes:
>>
>>> That's a reasonable alternative. How about "pleased"? Any other people
>>> have an opinion?
>>
>> You present yourself as
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras writes:
> That's a reasonable alternative. How about "pleased"? Any other people
> have an opinion?
You present yourself as reasonable by adjusting on the small points,
but you ignore the feedback of greater importance.
My opinion is that you are not t
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wrote:
> On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras
> writes:
>
>> That's a reasonable alternative. How about "pleased"? Any other people
>> have an opinion?
>
> You present yourself as reasonable by adjusting on the small points,
> but you ignore the
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Allan Day wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day wrote:
>>> Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras
> w
Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day wrote:
>> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
>>> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
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>> Different people will understand the words GNO
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>>> I didn't say this so far because it might sound like I am trying to
>>> make a joke but since you still insist on your assertions about the
>>> survey, I feel I must say
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 13:14, Allan Day wrote:
>
> We already have a wealth of data about peoples' experiences with GNOME 3
>
Allan, this is interesting, what is the main pointer to access this data?
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On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Luc Pionchon wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 03:34, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Maybe they all lied?
>
> Don't you think it is a bit early to speculate on results? (...)
>
>
> Overall I can see already one clear result, even before the poll h
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 14:33, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Patryk Zawadzki
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
> > wrote:
> >> Are you serious? That totally and completely speculative and
> >> unrealistic. Have you ever participated in ma
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
>> I didn't say this so far because it might sound like I am trying to
>> make a joke but since you still insist on your assertions about the
>> survey, I feel I must say this: How do you know people in general like
>> to participate in sur
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> Are you serious? That totally and completely speculative and
>> unrealistic. Have you ever participated in making a survey? I have, as
>> I have explained, for the Git survey. I
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> Are you serious? That totally and completely speculative and
> unrealistic. Have you ever participated in making a survey? I have, as
> I have explained, for the Git survey. In my experience, only the
> people that want to help in some way
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras
>>> wrote:
Nothing is ever perfect, but having at least some results is better
th
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras
>>> wrote:
Nothing is ever perfect, but
Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nothing is ever perfect, but having at least some results is better
>>> than nothing.
>>
>> Since you have repeated this assertion a
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 19:53, Stormy Peters wrote:
>
> All the questions after this assume a knowledge of GNOME and how our
> community works. That's fine if you are polling developers. If you are
> polling average users, then I think it's not worth asking.
Another issue that I don't think has b
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