Re: [Dng] systemd

Am Montag, 2. Februar 2015, 17:31:20 schrieb william moss: > Compatibility is not a necessity. If Linux moves in multiple directions, > so be it. Systemd, Gnome and KDE and other do everything in one fat and > potentially pathological package. Such venues are usually the product William, did you r

Re: [Dng] Finding systemd

Am Montag, 9. März 2015, 19:45:05 schrieb etech3: > Hi everybody > > In a follow up to preparing for Devuan, I started going back to see if I > could find systemd. Yes I know, I know. But what I did was start by > installing just a base install of Squeeze. Just the base standard > install. The onl

Re: [Dng] vdev status updates

Am Dienstag, 17. März 2015, 01:20:43 schrieb Jude Nelson: > Hey everyone, Hi Jude! > I have the latest news on vdev over the past two weeks. I'm not sure if > the news from last week made it to the mailing list; apologies if the > latter half of this email is redundant. > > [Week of March 15] >

[Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

Hi! See this one: Bug#761658: Please do not default to using Google nameservers Marco tagged it as "wontfix". Seriously, if I didn´t configure a nameserver I *mean* it. I don´t want it to just choose a Google nameserver then, without even telling me. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - ht

Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

Am Sonntag, 29. März 2015, 15:26:51 schrieben Sie: > dear Martin, Dear Jaromil, > On Sun, 29 Mar 2015, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Bug#761658: Please do not default to using Google nameservers > > tl;dr - isn't there a preseed directive to change the default?! I have

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

Am Montag, 30. März 2015, 12:38:37 schrieb Steve Litt: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:25:27 -0500 > > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Is this really happening? > > > > > > > > > Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a > > > solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend th

[Dng] Claim your power

Hi! As a honest feedback: Currently I do not read much of the threads here. Cause again and again I see language like systemd being like a cancer or infecting people´s systems. It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems. What this kind of language mirrors in my eyes is fear of having

Re: [Dng] Claim your power

Hi Jörg, Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 10:40:14 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: > On Tue 31 March 2015 10:10:28 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive. > > Stop > > assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intenti

Re: [Dng] Claim your power

Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 11:11:31 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: > On Tue 31 March 2015 09:59:48 Damien Hunter wrote: > > Selfish in what way exactly? > > maybe in a way where they put their own priorities on top and > ruthlessly follow them, no matter if that breaks stuff for a lot or > even maj

Re: [Dng] Claim your power

Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 11:57:00 schrieb Udo Rader: > On 03/31/2015 10:10 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems. > > "Systemd Gains IP Forwarding, IP Masquerading & Basic Firewall Controls" > http://www.phoroni

Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

Please do not Cc me personally on your reply. Am Donnerstag, 2. April 2015, 20:30:23 schrieb T.J. Duchene: > > Where i come from ISP's dynamic IP lease times are *very* long, you > > need to reboot the home router to get a new IP and even then you may > > get the same IP. It's not that dynamic, a

Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

Am Freitag, 3. April 2015, 10:35:45 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: > That said, the fallback DNS is only used if no other DNS is configured. > Which IMHO is quite unusually. I think not even then, cause I think systemd-resolved is not used, unless activated and configured to be u

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

Am Sonntag, 5. April 2015, 18:37:23 schrieb T.J. Duchene: > > -Original Message- > > From: Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI [mailto:ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org] > > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 5:34 PM > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > Subject: Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : syst

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

Am Sonntag, 5. April 2015, 19:52:32 schrieb Jude Nelson: > If I ever write a desktop suite, it will store settings as a > well-defined directory tree with human-meaningful file names and > contents instead of a MySQL database or a large flat opaque file. > > That's just me, though. Jude. Thats KD

Re: [Dng] dev-list

Am Mittwoch, 8. April 2015, 08:09:14 schrieb Robert Storey: > > Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because > > of > > the amount of fairly useless chatter on this list that the devs have > > to > > wade > > > through. (Honestly, it annoys me too.) If there is a -dev li

[Dng] Two more reasons for Devuan

Hi! Here are two more reasons for Devuan: Bug 1213778 - drops into emergency mode without any error message if it cannot find a filesystem in /etc/fstab https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1213778 Bug 1213781 - does not start ssh service if a filesystem in /etc/fstab cannot be mounted

[Dng] How about KDE/Plasma? (was: Re: Everyone's favorite seasoning: Cinnamon)

Am Freitag, 29. Mai 2015, 20:14:51 schrieb Jaret Cantu: > Just did a systemd-free build of Cinnaminnaminnamon this morning and... > > Shutdown instead Logs Out. Like, not even a modal to pop up with > grayed-out buttons like a misconfigured XFCE: it just logs you out. > > It looks like instead of

Re: [Dng] OT: separate GUI from commands

Am Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2015, 23:58:55 schrieb Jude Nelson: > > Just imagine the possibilities if Powerpoint gave you access to an > > environment like that! > > It didn't occur to me when I wrote my original email, but it turns out > Powerpoint can be scripted with VBA. So can Libreoffice (it sup

Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared ....

Am Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015, 12:29:57 schrieb Marlon Nunes: > "The job of keeping kernel development moving isn't so much about > "technical know-how" these days, he said. Running the core of arguably > the world's most important operating system is now about "being trusted > and being available.

Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared ....

Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2015, 11:16:12 schrieb Jude Nelson: > Whelp, looks like kdbus in systemd is no longer optional (but to be fair, > its use can be disabled at runtime, and won't be used anyway if kdbus > isn't present in the kernel). > > Announcement: > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/sys

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

On Wednesday 01 July 2015 21:21:46 Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > It's the second question: > > http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/0058243/interviews-linus-torvalds > -answers-your-question?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed Linus describes personality issues around how to handle bu

Re: [DNG] procps

On Friday 03 July 2015 20:40:13 Mitt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm using unstable (Ceres), for quite some time now libprocps4 and thus > procps depend on libsystemd0. On stable (Jessie) there is libprocps3 > which does not depend on it. I cannot confirm this: merkaba:~> apt-cache show procps Pac

Re: [DNG] procps

Am Samstag, 4. Juli 2015, 10:40:42 schrieb Fred DC: > On 04/07/2015 10:26, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > So it seems this is not a *direct* dependency. It may be that some of > > the > > dependencies depend on libsystemd0. > > So it is: libprocps4 depends on libsyste

Re: [DNG] devuan LTS

Am Donnerstag, 16. Juli 2015, 22:43:54 schrieb Gregory Nowak: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 07:25:10AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > The year of updates was general availability. When that ended, regular > > squeeze archives got moved away, and a new repository, squeeze-lts, was > > created. And it

[DNG] Please stop posting random links to hacked web sites

Hi! Okay, I tried to do this off list, but I now found the second occurence of this already: Please do not about every hacked web site you read about. Especially not a link to it. I bet there are tons of web sites hacked each day even if you don´t hear about every single one. And whether this

Re: [DNG] Keeping services running: was tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

Steve Litt - 14.04.17, 12:07: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:56:32 + > > Daniel Abrecht wrote: > > Hi > > > > From my point of view, systemd always tries to keep services running, > > no matter how hard they fail, and to mask possible problems when > > starting a service, so the service maintainer

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

Dear Veteran Unix Admins, dear Devuan developers and testers, Veteran Unix Admins - 21.04.17, 18:14: > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan > Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned, > this w

[DNG] Systemd: Once again the "not-a-bug" attitude, this time regarding a security issue

Hello. I am more and more considering finally switching to Devuan for all of my systems. The "not-a-bug" attitude upstream developers, especially Lennart, show in systemd can't handle the process previlege that belongs to user name startswith number, such as 0day #6237 https://github.com/syste

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

Hi Steve. Steve Litt - 08.07.17, 21:35: > I recently got an email that asked me the question (among others) "Why > did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?" > > Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at face > value and answered why it's so dam hard to alt-init a sy

Re: [DNG] flash player for browser

Rüdiger Meier - 26.07.17, 20:04: > On 07/26/2017 08:01 PM, Haines Brown wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 07:49:56PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > >> Am 2017-07-26 19:40, schrieb Haines Brown: > >>> I need access an online database, but when I try to do it I get the > >>> error message that I do

[DNG] Please stay on topic

John Morris - 03.08.17, 00:01: > At the risk of lowering the signal to noise on this list even more, I'd > like to note that about seven minutes before this new nym posted here it > posted the same text to the Fedora users list. There was exactly one > reply. I won't spoil it, go look it up becau

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

Adam Borowski - 08.08.17, 18:57: > On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 11:53:56AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Be careful recommending cgroups. > > > > I've never used them, and know little about them, but I know they were > > one of the main excuses for systemd. > > Uhm, what? Systemd uses ELF objects too,

[DNG] Shepherd

Hello. Anyone knowing more about GNU (Daemon) Shepherd?¹ I was completely unaware of this service manager which is based on dmd. I think I read about dmd some long time ago tough. GuixSD (Guixid System Distribution) uses it and it is planned to use it for GNU/Hurd as well. I am a bit vary abo

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

Jaromil - 09.08.17, 09:16: > On Tue, 08 Aug 2017, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Adam Borowski - 08.08.17, 18:57: > > > On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 11:53:56AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Be careful recommending cgroups. > > > > > > > > I'

Re: [DNG] Caching leads to unresponsiveness

Hi Joachim. Joachim Fahrner - 11.08.17, 17:43: > Linux uses all available more for caching of filesystems. When copying > large files to slow network filesystems (nfs, smb, sshfs, davfs) it > takes a long time until such allocated memory becomes free. When these > network filesystems saturate memo

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

I am grateful for this thread being on topic again. Adam Borowski - 26.08.17, 20:54: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 05:19:48PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face that the > > renaming wasn't necessary at all, because it is sufficient to know the M

[DNG] Naming of network interfaces (was: Re: What does Linus do?)

Narcis Garcia - 27.08.17, 09:59: > El 26/08/17 a les 19:57, Didier Kryn ha escrit: > > Le 26/08/2017 à 19:02, Alessandro Selli a écrit : > > With my proposed solution, the admin has the choice to refer to nics > > > > by their interface name, as given by the kernel, which is fine when > > ther

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

Alessandro Selli - 29.08.17, 19:11: > On 29/08/2017 at 15:20, Simon Hobson wrote: > > Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>> I figure that over sizing the > >>> drive will help with wear leveling. I'm not sure if that is a valid > >>> assumption, however. > >>> > >> I am convinced it is. The more cells

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

zap - 11.09.17, 12:45: > It would have only these things different: > > it would only be based off of unstable and experimental version, aka > pure rolling release, > > it would be completely free software and use linux libre as the kernel, > > otherwise it would follow every other devuan guide

Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI - 20.09.17, 07:01: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100 > > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > Have you tried to install any of them? > > > > > > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick > > > > You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake > > Ho

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Adam Borowski - 20.09.17, 21:21: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): […] > But, chromium as in Debian/Devuan is not good either: > https://bugs.debian.org/792580 claims it phones home even in "incognito" > mode -- and not jus

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Didier Kryn - 30.10.17, 12:20: > Le 30/10/2017 à 11:10, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a écrit : > > Am Montag, 30. Oktober 2017 schrieb Didier Kryn: […] > > please look at the presentation, 2. slide: it says "This is to a shell > > prompt in Linux" and "All userland written in Go", so it's not about any > > a

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Didier Kryn - 30.10.17, 13:13: > Le 30/10/2017 à 12:53, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > > To my knowledge up to now Intel provides the mobile > > processors with the best processing power / energy consumption ratio. > > Are there numbers somewhere? I bet there are, b

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Steve Litt - 30.10.17, 12:08: > On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:53:45 +0100 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Actually I´d make firmware pretty dumb and implement as much as I can > > in loaded software. Just enough firmware to actually install / boot a > > bootloader which lo

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Arnt Gulbrandsen - 30.10.17, 12:25: > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > I wonder about ARM64 as an alternative? But they have some > > Trustzone crap if I remember correctly. > > ARM64 is fine from a performance viewpoint. The mobile phone vendors have > spent a decade

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Adam Borowski - 31.10.17, 12:41: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:48:35AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Arnt Gulbrandsen - 30.10.17, 12:25: > > > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > > > I wonder about ARM64 as an alternative? But they have some > > > &

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

Hello Steve. Steve Litt - 15.11.17, 19:59: > I personally don't like #1. The Debian maintainers are > obstructionists, so I wouldn't help them: I wouldn't give them the > sweat off my W*(#RF(#*. I am I an obstructionist just cause I happen to maintain fio Debian package? I could feel personally

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

Hello Steve. Thank you! I totally get the frustration behind emotions like the ones showed. The whole Systemd debate frustrated me to no end. It is human. So all forgiven and forgotten. Steve Litt - 16.11.17, 12:31: > > > #3 is, in my opinion, practical. Any fool can write a run script > > > wi

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

Hello Steve. Steve Litt - 21.11.17, 23:34: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:55:36 -0500 > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:53:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > > nono, as I wrote: that script doesn't works anymore, if ran on a > > > freshly debootstrapped version of Debian 9. It seemed

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

Hello Hendrik. Hendrik Boom - 21.11.17, 07:05: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:34:15PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:55:36 -0500 > > > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:53:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > > > nono, as I wrote: that script doesn't works anymo

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

Adam Borowski - 22.11.17, 11:06: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:45:12AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > For that I do not know a ip command out of the box. But > > > > merkaba:~> netstat -i > > Kernel-Schnittstellentabelle > > Iface MTURX-OK RX-ERR

Re: [DNG] Cron / Anacron

Hello . Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI - 06.12.17, 13:25: > I notice that since I upgraded from Bebian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie my box > runs periodic jobs through anacron instead of cron. > > This sometimes causes heavy jobs to run at inconvenient times. > > Given my box runs 24/7, is there a simple way t

Re: [DNG] btrfs

Hello Hendrik. Hendrik Boom - 21.02.18, 15:08: > Now I have the fortune or misfortune (I don't know which yet) to have > a GnuBee 2, waiting in its box to be assembled. The online page > https://lwn.net/Articles/743609/ tells me that it works with kernel > "Linux 3.10.14 with lots of changes", an

[DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

Dear Jaromil. Jaromil - 11.03.18, 09:10: > 3- They produce new hardware instead of recycling existing one, >something I do not like for many enviromental reasons. Rant ahead, but hopefully still a somewhat constructive one: I am actually thinking along this line and instead of ordering a new

[DNG] Init script for running fio as a service

Hello. I am working on updating my fio debian package. I chose to install the systemd service file for those who use a default Debian system with systemd. However I also like to provide an init script for people who use Devuan or Debian with sysvinit. I started a quick hack on an init script,

Re: [DNG] Init script for running fio as a service

Hello KatolaZ. KatolaZ - 22.03.18, 15:40: > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 02:00:23PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: […] > > I am working on updating my fio debian package. I chose to install the > > systemd service file for those who use a default Debian system with > > system

Re: [DNG] Extended attributes - in major use?

Adam Borowski - 29.03.18, 21:17: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 09:00:59AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > I've been backing up my system with rsync years without > > the --xattrs option. I'm curious if important parts of > > Debian/Devuan rely on extended attributes. > > Type: ｢getcap -r /bin /sbin /usr /

Re: [DNG] ｢｣ quotes (was: Re: Extended attributes - in major use?)

Adam Borowski - 29.03.18, 23:40: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 10:57:44PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Nice, I like these: ｢｣｢｣｢｣｢｣｢｣｢｣ Now I wonder how to type these on a > > keyboard with German keyboard layout. Hmmm, Alt-Gr-S is ſ but that is not > > the same as ｢.

[DNG] Congratulations! and some migration questions (was: Re: Devuan "ASCII" 2.0 Release Candidate)

Subscribe to receive announcements about Devuan - 10.05.18, 00:16: > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > We are happy to announce that the Devuan 2.0 ASCII Release Candidate > is now available thanks to the support, feedback, and collaboration of > the

Re: [DNG] Switching to OpenRC

wirelessd...@gmail.com - 14.05.18, 02:52: > I’ve read that the ascii RC has optional support for OpenRC. How can I > switch to this on an existing system to try it out? > > Is it simply a matter of running “apt-get install openrc”? This basically did it for me. But this warning has been unhelpful

Re: [DNG] Congratulations! and some migration questions (was: Re: Devuan "ASCII" 2.0 Release Candidate)

Hi KatolaZ. Thank you for your answers. KatolaZ - 10.05.18, 15:34: > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 01:24:01PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: […] > > I´d like to switch over my backup VM first and wonder whether the > > network device with Devuan ASCII will be called "eth0"

Re: [DNG] Switching to OpenRC

Hector Gonzalez - 15.05.18, 15:55: > On 05/15/2018 06:23 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > This basically did it for me. But this warning has been unhelpful > > for me: > > > > %:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep -A 2 "sysv" *openrc* > > openrc.postinst:

Re: [DNG] Systemd introduces "Portable Services"

Arnt Karlsen - 01.06.18, 15:07: > > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=18/05/30/0147216 > > > > Mozilla isn't alone in "innovating", sigh! > > > > "The past several months Lennart Poettering has been working on a > > "portable services" concept and that big ticket new feature has now > > land

Re: [DNG] elogind and startx

Hi Haines. Haines Brown - 15.06.18, 22:12: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 07:41:52PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > > You must install the xserver files to get X working. > > > > More precisely, they MUST be installed. Whether elogind and > > libpam-elogind drag them in as dependencies I do not know. >

Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?

Erik Christiansen - 19.06.18, 11:15: > On 19.06.18 02:38, James Cloos wrote: > > > "HB" == Haines Brown writes: > > HB> Has an alternative been developed without the problems > > associated > > HB> with usbmount? > > > > pmount may be what you want. > > > > I've not used it on devuan (or deb

Re: [DNG] When 128?

Dear Adam, dear Jaromil, dear listeners, Jaromil - 21.06.18, 09:12: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: > > x86 on the other hand has variable size of opcodes, 1 to 15 bytes. > > This, by the way, is the biggest flaw of x86 instruction set: the > > rules to split code into opcodes are extr

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

Hi Katola. KatolaZ - 09.07.18, 09:51: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 03:52:48PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > > > On 08-07-18 23:32, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > Hi Jimmy, > > > > > > > > El 08/07/18 a las 23:24, Jimmy Johnson escribió: >

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

Jimmy Johnson - 09.07.18, 12:00: > On 07/09/2018 02:53 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Hi Katola. > > > > KatolaZ - 09.07.18, 09:51: > >> On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 03:52:48PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >>> On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovati

Re: [DNG] Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

Arnt Karlsen - 08.08.18, 16:20: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 13:34:30 +0200, John wrote in message > > <7a5d6797-0388-c06a-b5ab-196d4b324...@safeandsoundit.co.uk>: > > On 07/08/18 13:51, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > > Yet another great choice by mozilla > > > > And so it goes on... > > > > https://www.red

Re: [DNG] Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

Arnt Karlsen - 08.08.18, 16:20: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 13:34:30 +0200, John wrote in message > > <7a5d6797-0388-c06a-b5ab-196d4b324...@safeandsoundit.co.uk>: > > On 07/08/18 13:51, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > > Yet another great choice by mozilla > > > > And so it goes on... > > > > https://www.red

Re: [DNG] Debian blocks latest Intel microcode update

Don Wright - 22.08.18, 21:56: > El Reg has [1]published a disagreement between a Debian maintainer and > Intel over changes to license terms in the latest CPU microcode > updates. The added terms (see comments) appear to attach liability to > both Debian and mirror sites if the end user violates ce

Re: [DNG] Debian blocks latest Intel microcode update

Antony Stone - 23.08.18, 00:04: > On Wednesday 22 August 2018 at 23:32:28, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Don Wright - 22.08.18, 21:56: > > > El Reg has [1]published a disagreement between a Debian maintainer > > > and Intel over changes to license terms in the latest

Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list

J. Fahrner - 01.09.18, 15:54: > > Ultimately, though, if your anti-spam rules result in you not > > receiving emails > > which you wanted to receive, then your rules are not doing what you > > want them > > to and need to be adjusted. > > I could also argue that someone who wants to get his mail d

Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list

KatolaZ - 02.09.18, 09:34: > Am 2018-09-02 02:27, schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > > If I'm away from home and post using my mobile, I still often want > > > the reply to go to my home site, which is *not* in the cloud. > > > > But then, I assume, it is not a freemail address. > > > > Nowadays lots of s

Re: [DNG] OT: firefox, privacy etc.

mad.scientist.at.la...@tutanota.com - 06.09.18, 03:34: > how an i possibly get local storage of login information to work again > in firefox? Can't find any configs in about:config to enable a > master passord or learning of new login data without "sync", > "pocket", etc. should i just switch to

Re: [DNG] OT: firefox, privacy etc.

terryc - 06.09.18, 05:46: > On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 03:34:27 +0200 (CEST) > > wrote: […] > > Can't find any configs in about:config to enable a > > master passord or learning of new login data without "sync", > > "pocket", etc. > > A web search suggests the relevant files are in > ~.mozilla/firefo

Re: [DNG] Downloadable CIDR network calculator

Steve Litt - 11.09.18, 16:01: > I've created a downloadable CIDR network calculator, whose sole > dependency is Python3. It runs in any terminal or terminal emulator on > any Linux or presumably BSD machine. > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/cidr_calc.htm Thanks for sharing. So far I just use

[DNG] OT: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

Bruce Perens - 20.09.18, 23:23: > Let's face it, guys. A *lot* of us are on the spectrum. I have motor > neural pathology and might be too. Those who are not on the spectrum > may still underperform in human relations, as we've just heard from > Linus. We used to tolerate this stuff, and it cost us

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

Rick Moen - 24.09.18, 22:48: > Quoting Dr. Nikolaus Klepp (dr.kl...@gmx.at): > > Now isn't it a gift of god that devuan is outside good owns country, > > is it? > The worst that can be reasonably said of the USA in this regard is > that we give our loons like MikeeUSA[1] the freedom to post derange

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

KatolaZ - 17.10.18, 16:58: > process supervision and management system. Which is probably 90% of > the reason why systemd needed to fagocitate the whole low-level > user-space (please remember that the only way to reliably know that a > process is dead under unix is to be the parent of that process

[DNG] There is no madness to begin with (was: Re: Stop the madness!)

Steve Litt - 20.10.18, 03:55: > Some folks are asking for automatic sysvinit init script generation, > or else unit file to sysvinit init script converters. Some are asking > Devuan's developers to prioritize their scarce programmer resources > to modifying sysvinit, which is over 30 years old. Yet

Re: [DNG] There is no madness to begin with

Jimmy. I don't know where you have that anger and hatred towards me from, but I answer nonetheless: Jimmy Johnson - 21.10.18, 10:43: > On 10/21/18 12:25 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: [… most outrage and hatred towards me skipped …] > > None of the Devuan developers would let go of

Re: [DNG] There is no madness to begin with

KatolaZ - 21.10.18, 11:21: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 01:43:42AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: […] > Dear Jimmy, > > unfortunately the world is not divided into "good" vs "bad" at all > times. A world divided into "good" versus "bad" would be like "black" and "white" to me. I am happy to be able to

Re: [DNG] There is no madness to begin with

Martin Steigerwald - 21.10.18, 12:20: > It is entirely my choice to focus on helping to bring the healing > process along. And I will mediate and let go to also facilitate the meditate I meant here. Did not catch this while proof-reading my mail. > healing process between us as we

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

Adam Borowski - 20.10.18, 22:54: > * zip is used by Windows folks only, similar to gzip. It is also used by LibreOffice (or under-maintained OpenOffice). […] > * 7z is similar but incompatible to xz; also a container rather than a > pure compressor. There can be benefits of container compressors

Re: [DNG] Daemon names for runit

Hi Steve. Steve Litt - 21.10.18, 07:52: > Please view > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/init/runit_daemon_list.htm and if > you use any daemons not on that list, please email me with the daemon > name(s) so I can get run scripts for them. - quasselcore - rsyslog - syslog-ng Whoa, there even is

Re: [DNG] Devuan on a Purism

Hendrik Boom - 31.10.18, 01:49: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:53:03PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:01:03 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > > > > <20181030180103.7xwhnvyqbs6zn...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > I use Devuan on a Purism laptop. Purism's OS is based on Debian, > > > a

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

Hi Simon. Thank you for sharing your experience. Simon Walter - 02.11.18, 11:47: > I thought I should write to warn anyone that has not already upgraded > to ascii. Regarding Plasma/KDE in Devuan, you may also consider subscribing to debian-kde mailing list, at least for reading it. Many of the

[DNG] Plasma on Devuan Ceres

Hi! I am considering to switch this main laptop from Debian Sid to Devuan Ceres for quire some time already. Right now I noticed I have another laptop where I can test this move first. On the second laptop, my jukebox for Hi-Fi equipment, issues are not as critical as on this one. I think I ma

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

goli...@dyne.org - 02.11.18, 22:34: > On 2018-11-02 16:09, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Hi Simon. > > > > Thank you for sharing your experience. > > > > Simon Walter - 02.11.18, 11:47: > >> I thought I should write to warn anyone that has not already &

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

Arnt Karlsen - 03.11.18, 00:10: > ..I'm beginning to think the good people at kde.org may have prepared > themselves for this, by supporting, but not depending on systemd: 8o) That is a pattern I saw with KDE project for quite some time. For example, Plasma's audio support called Phonon allows to

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

Martin Steigerwald - 02.11.18, 23:58: > goli...@dyne.org - 02.11.18, 22:34: > > On 2018-11-02 16:09, Martin Steigerwald wrote: […] > > > Thank you for sharing your experience. > > > > > > Simon Walter - 02.11.18, 11:47: > > >> I thought I

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

KatolaZ - 03.11.18, 17:49: > On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 05:14:12PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sat, 03 Nov 2018 12:16:01 +0100, Martin wrote in message > > > > <2230094.aIEOJzzQQQ@merkaba>: > > > Arnt Karlsen - 03.11.18, 00:10: > > > > ..I'm beginning to think the good people at kde.org may hav

Re: [DNG] Red Hat ends KDE support

J. Fahrner - 06.11.18, 10:21: > Next step after systemd: Red Hat ends KDE support. > Gnome will be the only supported dekstop environment. > https://hub.packtpub.com/soon-rhel-red-hat-enterprise-linux-wont-suppo > rt-kde/ We discussed this before in "ascii upgrade /w KDE" thread. As I wrote there

Re: [DNG] Implementing directory services/Kerberos

Héctor González - 09.11.18, 00:02: > >> Quoting wirelessd...@gmail.com (wirelessd...@gmail.com): > > [snip] > > > >>> So my next question is, whats the recommended package to > >>> authenticate > >>> with LDAP and allow users to login to a desktop via their LDAP > >>> account? I've seen various o

Re: [DNG] Security Jessie VS ASCII

Adam Borowski - 10.11.18, 23:19: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 07:41:19PM +0300, Andres Suarez wrote: > > From the security point of view: Is it worth to update from Jessie > > to > > ASCII? Do you see any significant advantage? I do no use any exotic > > software. > Yes. Upstream (Debian) Jessie is o

Re: [DNG] Implementing directory services/Kerberos

wirelessd...@gmail.com - 12.11.18, 01:26: > On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 at 17:20, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Héctor González - 09.11.18, 00:02: > > > >> Quoting wirelessd...@gmail.com (wirelessd...@gmail.com): […] > > Or use sssd, in case it can be installed without pul

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Hi Daniel. Daniel Reurich - 16.11.18, 10:11: > Debian as of the upcoming Buster release looks to be implementing a > merged /usr by default. At this stage there is no plan to make it > forced... but you never know what happens when their Technical > Committee suddenly decides it's an issue they n

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Martin Steigerwald - 16.11.18, 16:04: > In any case: Regarding a decision I'd take the amount of effort into > account which would be needed to divert from Debian's default. As long > as Debian still supports the usr split, I bet that effort would be > minimal, but as soon a

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

KatolaZ - 17.11.18, 13:03: > On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 12:57:23PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > On 16/11/18 at 11:43, KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:19:30AM +, Rowland Penny wrote: > > > > > > [cut] > > > > > >> So, after reading Steve's enlightening description, I am with

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