Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-27 Thread Dave Cole
Nothing in that article is new other than possibly the use of a PLC for that kind of control without the use of a specific card designed for hydraulic control. Most PLC Hydraulic Servo controls setups require a special hardware card to do what they are doing.. and usually it is very expensiv

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-27 Thread andy pugh
On 27 September 2013 03:04, Dave Cole wrote: > http://en.revija-ventil.si/data/strokovni-clanki/17-2011-4/situm.pdf They seem to be rather re-inventing the wheel. Servo-hydraulic tension-compression fatigue testing machines are all like that, and have been running closed-loop in force or displac

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-26 Thread Dave Cole
Stuart, I was looking for something else entirely on the web and ran into this by accident. This is very close to what you want to do. http://en.revija-ventil.si/data/strokovni-clanki/17-2011-4/situm.pdf I use a lot of S7-1200 PLCs but I think that all of this could be done with LinuxCNC. Ba

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 09/23/2013 06:01 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 23 September 2013 03:50, Stuart Stevenson wrote: >> Gentlemen, >>I want to control a hydraulic cylinder (extension and retraction) with >> LinuxCNC. >> I want to use an axial piston swash plate pump. >> I want to control the swash plate with a serv

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread Dave Cole
>>Why would ram position not be sufficient for air bending? I think that would work, but I would probably also want to know cylinder pressure so I could set tonnage limits in an attempt to prevent breakage if something goes wrong. Decent pressure sensors are 2-$300 each. Cheap insurance compar

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread Stuart Stevenson
air bending mostly Why would ram position not be sufficient for air bending? Would tonnage be more important when coining? I want to control both sides so I have the option of easily bending one end more than the other. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > I just did the controls

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Mon, 9/23/13, andy pugh wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Date: Monday, September 23, 2013, 9:53 AM On 23 September 2013 15:24, Dave Cole wrote: > I'd keep an eye on Ebay for servo valves.   Most peop

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread Dave Cole
I just did the controls for a hydraulic press - a new machine that swages 6 stainless steel anchors about 3/4" diameter at the same time. It has an 8" cylinder on it and they are running about 2800 PSI system pressure. The press is quick as there is a 25 hp motor on it with a 10 gallon accumu

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Sep 23, 2013 3:11 PM, "andy pugh" wrote: > > On 23 September 2013 20:50, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > 2 cylinders - one on each end > > 500 ton 20' brake press > > I need to control each end separately. > > I have a feeling that I have seen the machine? Your feeling would be correct. > > The 2

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread andy pugh
On 23 September 2013 20:50, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > 2 cylinders - one on each end > 500 ton 20' brake press > I need to control each end separately. I have a feeling that I have seen the machine? The 20 ton testing machine I ran could do 36 inches per second running with a Moog valve. Given th

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread Stuart Stevenson
pic here - http://imagebin.org/271728 On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > 2 cylinders - one on each end > 500 ton 20' brake press > I need to control each end separately. > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM, dave wrote: > >> On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 13:57 -0500, Stuart

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread Stuart Stevenson
2 cylinders - one on each end 500 ton 20' brake press I need to control each end separately. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM, dave wrote: > On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 13:57 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > The cylinders I want to control are 14 inch OD which I think would have > > 13.5 piston. >

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread dave
On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 13:57 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > The cylinders I want to control are 14 inch OD which I think would have > 13.5 piston. > 24 inch minimum stroke (maybe a little more) > 1 1/2 pipe input on the rod side of the piston > 2 inch pipe on the other side > I need it to extend o

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread andy pugh
On 23 September 2013 15:24, Dave Cole wrote: > I'd keep an eye on Ebay for servo valves. Most people don't know what > to do with them. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Actuator-hydraulic-flight-simulator-48-stroke-with-Moog-72-315-/15024528 All set up and ready to go. (and he has 4 of them) --

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread Stuart Stevenson
The cylinders I want to control are 14 inch OD which I think would have 13.5 piston. 24 inch minimum stroke (maybe a little more) 1 1/2 pipe input on the rod side of the piston 2 inch pipe on the other side I need it to extend out in about 10 seconds. the leverage is 5 to 1 - 70/14 measured with

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread Dave Cole
I agree with Andy. I do quite a few industrial control jobs using hydraulic servos.The normal setup is a swash plate pump that is self pressure regulated feeding an accumulator (for pump efficiency and fast response) and that feeds a 4 way servo valve or servo grade proportional valve. Th

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread Eric Keller
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Gentlemen, > I want to control a hydraulic cylinder (extension and retraction) with > LinuxCNC. > I want to use an axial piston swash plate pump. > I want to control the swash plate with a servo motor. This method has been used, albeit

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread andy pugh
On 23 September 2013 03:50, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Gentlemen, > I want to control a hydraulic cylinder (extension and retraction) with > LinuxCNC. > I want to use an axial piston swash plate pump. > I want to control the swash plate with a servo motor. This ought to work, but it isn't the us

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-22 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Sun, 9/22/13, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen,   I want to control a hydraulic cylinder (extension and retraction) with LinuxCNC. I want to use an axial piston swash plate pump. I want to control the swash plate with a servo motor. I will install a linear scale for position feedback.

Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-22 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Gentlemen, > I want to control a hydraulic cylinder (extension and retraction) with > LinuxCNC. > I want to use an axial piston swash plate pump. > I want to control the swash plate with a servo motor. > The null position on the pump may not be completely repeatable.