Re: MGA 3

2008-11-28 Thread Abram Demski
Bruno, I have done some thinking, and decided that I don't think this last step of the argument works for me. You provided two arguments, and so I provide two refutations. 1. (argument by removal of unnecessary parts): Suppose Alice lives in a cave all her life, with bread and water tossed down

Re: join post

2008-11-28 Thread Russell Standish
I guess I haven't read those papers, so sorry if I was leading you up the garden path re GTMs. It sounds interesting that the universal prior could work for generalisation of the Turing machine, although I'm not sure what the implications would be. Anyway, it sounds like you've got a research pro

Re: MGA 3

2008-11-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:09:01AM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: > MGA 3 ... > But this reasoning goes through if we make the hole in the film > itself. Reconsider the image on the screen: with a hole in the film > itself, you get a "hole" in the movie, but everything which enters and > go o

Re: MGA 3

2008-11-28 Thread Abram Demski
Hi Bruno, >> So, basically, you are saying that I'm offering an alternative >> argument against materialism, correct? > > It seems to me you were going in that direction, yes. > Well, *I* was suggesting that we run up against the problem of time in *either* direction (physical reality / mathemat

Re: Lost and not lost?

2008-11-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kim, On 28 Nov 2008, at 09:54, Kim Jones wrote: > > > On 28/11/2008, at 3:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> I have just finished the explanation of an argument >> (the movie graph argument, MGA) showing that Mechanism (the idea that >> I am machine) is incompatible with Materialism, the idea

Re: MGA 3

2008-11-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Abram, > > Bruno, > > So, basically, you are saying that I'm offering an alternative > argument against materialism, correct? It seems to me you were going in that direction, yes. > Supposing that reality has a > purely mathematical basis eliminates the problem, because removing the > pas

Re: MGA 1

2008-11-28 Thread John Mikes
Thanks, Brent, at least you read through my blurb. Of course I am vague - besides I wrote the post in a jiffy - not premeditatedly, I am sorry. Also there is no adequate language to those things I want to refer to, not even 'in situ', the ideas and terms about interefficient totality (IMO more tha

MGA for DUMMIES

2008-11-28 Thread Kim Jones
A representation of a thing (say MGA) is as good (ie as authentic) as the thing being represented. Yes? Autrement dit: there is no especial difference between the movie and the subject (of the movie) - where the movie is a more or less "complete" (whatever that means) representation of t

Re: Lost and not lost?

2008-11-28 Thread Kim Jones
On 28/11/2008, at 3:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > I have just finished the explanation of an argument > (the movie graph argument, MGA) showing that Mechanism (the idea that > I am machine) is incompatible with Materialism, the idea that there is > some primitive stuffy universe from which consc