--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> Not true. Different states of consciousness exist; I have
> experienced many of the ones Maharishi talked about. What
> I am not sold on is that any of them were "higher." I am
> content to interpret my experiences as merely different
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
> >
> > The / a lesson from witnessing this huge Q&A parade was that:
> >
> > 1) experiences were natural, they were not something to make a big
> > fuss about, no special status
Damn, I'm good.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> Tart, *not* wishing to argue with you or diminish what you say in any
> way, just presenting a Deva's Advocate position the same way Curtis
> might, do you notice that the "personalized feedback" I have
highlighted
> be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
>
> > when people didn't respond to his announced enlight-
> > enmentitudeness the way he wanted them to.
>
> As elaborated in an adjacent post, the 10,000 Q&A at
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > >
> > > My favorite such moment, just as a suddenly-triggered-
> > > memory aside, took place in Amsterdam. M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
>
>
>
> > > when people didn't respond to his announced enlight-
> > > enmentitudeness the way he wanted them to...
> > >
> tartbrain:
> > 3) one generally didn't talk about their experiences
> > outside of the Q&A with MMY. Progress was
turquoiseb:
> I *did* experience what I experienced...
>
Perception is reality?
> > when people didn't respond to his announced enlight-
> > enmentitudeness the way he wanted them to...
> >
tartbrain:
> 3) one generally didn't talk about their experiences
> outside of the Q&A with MMY. Progress was being made
> was the only important thing. No need to talk about
> it or b
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> Tart, *not* wishing to argue with you or diminish what you say in any
> way, just presenting a Deva's Advocate position the same way Curtis
> might, do you notice that the "personalized feedback" I have highlighted
> below, along with m
Tart, *not* wishing to argue with you or diminish what you say in any
way, just presenting a Deva's Advocate position the same way Curtis
might, do you notice that the "personalized feedback" I have highlighted
below, along with my occasional comments in brackets, is a lot like
"cold
reading" of pr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> when people didn't respond to his announced enlight-
> enmentitudeness the way he wanted them to.
As elaborated in an adjacent post, the 10,000 Q&A at the mic between MMY and
those on the course were often about experiences. I never
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
As it turned out,
> > > > at the height of this experience he was giving advanced
> > > > techniques and I got to go up and sit by his side,
> > > > literally
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
> > My favorite such moment, just as a suddenly-triggered-
> > memory aside, took place in Amsterdam. Me and a bunch of
> > other guys had gone there to teach meditation, for f
Thank you for your reply. Not informative for my curiosity about these things.
I was just curious. I had not intended to 'lock horns' on this one, as you put
it. However, I suppose if someone wanted to really get you to talk more openly
about things, the spiritual technique of waterboarding migh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your reply. I have nothing to say about it
> > > because, after all, what is there to say?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
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>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote:
> > I agree - this is odd, to say the least - that your Master (at the
> time) would not say something to you quietly just to acknowledge the
> experience you were havin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
wrote:
>
> Turq, I am unable to keep up these conversations in real
> time, but I have some comments in the exchanges below.
I'll follow up a little, now that I've had my coffee,
and try to explain to you why I'm not following up a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
wrote:
>
> Turq, I am unable to keep up these conversations in real time,
> but I have some comments in the exchanges below.
Dude, that subject is so last week by now. What you
are asking about are multiple experiences that I had
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote:
> I agree - this is odd, to say the least - that your Master (at the
time) would not say something to you quietly just to acknowledge the
experience you were having. It never occurred to me before that MMY
seemed not to talk to people one
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> As I said, from my side I never experienced anything
> similar with him.
Looking back, I can't say that I ever noticed anything in the way of
darshan from him. I will allow that it could have been too subtle for
me to notice. But I di
Wayback. Warning!, Warning!, Warning!. Where is the scientific
evidence? Where is the objective verification? Don't you know this is
simple MOODMAKING or RANDAM BRAIN ACTIVITY. You are goring some sacred
cows by describing this experience. For what it's worth, I've also had
nice experience
Turq, I am unable to keep up these conversations in real time, but I have some
comments in the exchanges below.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> wrote:
> > Nice idea. I have never encountered this,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your reply. I have nothing to say about it
> > because, after all, what is there to say? It was your
> > subjective experience and thus essentially valid; there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Most spiritual teachers do hav
On 06/15/2011 03:16 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>> Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two and a
>> number here might argue they experienced number 2 or what is usually
>> called "darshan" even with Maharishi. The guy did have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> IMplicit in MMY's theory of 7 states of consciousness is the fact that
> there's no end-point to growth, and therefore there's no such thing as "the"
> 7th state.
> For that matter, even within CC, there's room for growth since there ar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> > >
> > > Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two
> > > and a number here might argue they ex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> >
> > Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two and a
> > number here might argue they experienced number 2 or what is usually
> > called "darshan" even with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two and a
> number here might argue they experienced number 2 or what is usually
> called "darshan" even with Maharishi. The guy did have some shakti
> after all. If some folks d
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
>
>
>
> > > IMplicit in MMY's theory of 7 states of consciousness is
> > > the fact that there's no end-point to growth, and therefore
> > > there's no such thing as "the" 7th state...
> > >
> authfriend:
> > Plus which, as I've always un
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote:
>
> On Jun 14, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> > Most spiritual teachers do have the ability to do number two
>
> Taken by itself, that is easily the sentence of the week.
LOL.
emptybill:
> You're talking stupid conjecture again Willy.
>
Well, so nobody made any claims about listening to any
of MMY public recordings, I assumed nobody had ever heard
them. It's just interesting that of all the informants
making claims here, that none of them own a copy of his
records
You're talking stupid conjecture again Willy.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
>
>
>
> > > IMplicit in MMY's theory of 7 states of consciousness is
> > > the fact that there's no end-point to growth, and therefore
> > > there's no such thing as "the" 7th state...
> > >
> > There is another way of teaching...
> >
> Bhairitu:
> If some folks didn't experience maybe they hit him on
> a bad day or their nervous system was just too coarse
> to experience it...
>
Well, I suppose that MMY had that certain something,
in order influence Barry to stay in the TMO for te
> > IMplicit in MMY's theory of 7 states of consciousness is
> > the fact that there's no end-point to growth, and therefore
> > there's no such thing as "the" 7th state...
> >
authfriend:
> Plus which, as I've always understood it, the whole thing
> is a continuum anyway...
>
This has been point
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> IMplicit in MMY's theory of 7 states of consciousness is
> the fact that there's no end-point to growth, and therefore
> there's no such thing as "the" 7th state.
Plus which, as I've always understood it, the whole thing
is a continuum an
IMplicit in MMY's theory of 7 states of consciousness is the fact that there's
no end-point to growth, and therefore there's no such thing as "the" 7th state.
For that matter, even within CC, there's room for growth since there are plenty
of TMers who have been tested in physiological studies wh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> It was in a very real
> sense a "hands on demo" of Maharishi's "Knowledge is different
> in different states of consciousness."
>
> As a result of having had this experience, I would reword MMY's
> statement as "Reality is different in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> This morning's cafe rap is purely informative. In it
> I'll springboard off of one of my favorite quotes of
> recent years and how I think it's relevant to two
> vastly different forms of spiritual teaching, and why
> I prefer one of th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> wrote:
> >
> > And what are the mechanics behind the ability to broadcast
> > an SOC?
>
> I have no earthly idea. I report only on my subjective
> experience of workin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
wrote:
>
> Nice idea. I have never encountered this, although I have
> encountered one teacher that could in the space of a few
> days get a fair number of persons to experience a shift
> in SOC, if only temporary, but it was not
Nice idea. I have never encountered this, although I have encountered one
teacher that could in the space of a few days get a fair number of persons to
experience a shift in SOC, if only temporary, but it was not like a broadcast.
If you have encountered such teachers of the second kind, do th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> There is another way of teaching.
>
> It is possible, for teachers who are capable of such
> things, to talk about states of consciousness while
> "putting on" the SOC in question and then radiating or
> "broadcasting" it so powerfully
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