Re: HEADS UP: you need to install a new kernel before aninstallworld.

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : This should go on the "Comprehensive guide to updating from source to 5.0" : that I'm sure our trusty release engineers are producing? UPDATING has the closest thing to a comprehensive guide. As far as I can tel

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bruce Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, M. Warner Losh wrote: : : > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > Loren James Rittle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : : > This works. I'm not sure why this isn't the default. It loo

Re: [PATCH] NEWCARD: pccardc power support

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mitsuru IWASAKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : I've implemented pccardc power and boot_deactivated support code for : NEWCARD. They are needed for some mobile users including me. : : - Add pccardc power support code. Yes, it's OLDCARD compatible. : -

Re: system pauses after deleting large files

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Brooks Davis wrote: > While moving a large (1GB) file from one parition to another today, I > noticed an odd, reproducable pause. Basicly you create a large file > somewhere and then delete it like so: [ ... ] > Within the next minute or so, I see a pause where the whole system stops > for 5-10

speed of -CURRENT [was: questions about the state of current]

2002-10-30 Thread Stijn Hoop
[picking a random message to reply to] On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 03:12:50PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 11:40 AM -0700 10/29/02, Raymond Kohler wrote: > >1) How is the speed compared to stable? I remember it being just > >too slow some months ago and was wondering how it was improving. > >

Re: [PATCH] NEWCARD: pccardc power support

2002-10-30 Thread Mark Santcroos
Hi Mitsuru, I was also thinking about this so I'm very happy with your patch! It works great here! This is very usefull for me as I have an internal pccard that I prefer not to be active all time. Thanks Mark On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 08:55:32PM +0900, Mitsuru IWASAKI wrote: > I've implemented p

adaptec scsi - seagate da -- current

2002-10-30 Thread ANYBODY
Hi, I am running current cvsuped within this week. I have an adaptec builtin scsi controller and a seagate drive attached to it and after every bootup as soon as there is heavy disk activity the drive gets disabled for 1 or 2 minutes and meanwhile all functionality RELATED to disk I/O freezes f

UFS Snapshot deadlock

2002-10-30 Thread Sean Kelly
While playing with UFS snapshots on a UFS2 filesystem I mounted specifically for this purpose, I encountered a little problem. It seems I have processes deadlocked on each other. Steps to repeat: /# mount /dev/ad2a /mnt ; cd /mnt /dev/ad2a on /mnt (ufs, local, soft-updates, multilabel) # UFS2 /mnt

Re: speed of -CURRENT [was: questions about the state of current]

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Stijn Hoop wrote: > I am experiencing a really noticable slower startup time on my very recent > -CURRENT laptop for almost all programs. The problem seems to be in getting > info in the cache, because it disappears when I start the same program again. > > It is even noticable when doing a simple

Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > The point is that with the current setup of the XFree86-4-libraries port, > > you don't have any choice, since libX11 links to libXThrStub. This is the > > key problem, IMHO. I have a machine running RedHat 8.0 and they don't have

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:02:16PM -0700, Chad David wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:11:56PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:09:41PM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > > Does anybody know if there is a good reason why libobjc is built with > > > thr-single.c? As well, who

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:52:56PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > That said, if you want to make it work for you, I'm behind you > 100%: I think any changes you want to make are OK; they can > always be backed out, if anyone starts complaining about them > breaking things, so I think it's kind of si

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:52:56PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > That said, if you want to make it work for you, I'm behind you > > 100%: I think any changes you want to make are OK; they can > > always be backed out, if anyone starts complaining about them > > breaking thi

[PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > > > All you have to do is create a situation where a shared object that links > > > to libc_r is loaded after libX11 and the thing breaks into little pieces. > > > > So let's dike out libXThrStub.so, and be done with it. > > I think the only stub which it defines that libc.so

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread Bruce Evans
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Bruce Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, M. Warner Losh wrote: > : > : > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > : > Loren James Rittle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : > : > Thi

Re: libfetch(3) patch for SSL

2002-10-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Nate Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > May I humbly propose that the API is broken and should be reworked? My > frustration with cached_connection common/ftp sharing and this thrashing > trying to overload the return value are signs that the API needs > rethinking. What do you mean "overload t

Re: The next "make release" breaker...

2002-10-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Jun Kuriyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I got same result as Poul-Henning. It seems installed libssh.a in > chroot does not have mm_auth_krb5(). The *installed* libssh shouldn't matter. What matters is the libssh which is built during 'make world' inside the chroot. That's what sshd should b

Re: The next "make release" breaker...

2002-10-30 Thread Jun Kuriyama
At Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:01:32 +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Jun Kuriyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I got same result as Poul-Henning. It seems installed libssh.a in > > chroot does not have mm_auth_krb5(). > > The *installed* libssh shouldn't matter. What matters is the libssh > which

Wine-2002.10.07 port on FreeBSD 5.0-current

2002-10-30 Thread Krzysztof Jędruczyk
Hi, Yesterday I tried to upgrade wine on my FreeBSD-current box. It didn't compile until I changed following in server/context_i386.c (looks like this is because of commit of 1.28 version of src/sys/i386/include/reg.h) --8<---cut here---start->8--- --- context_

Re: speed of -CURRENT [was: questions about the state of current]

2002-10-30 Thread Alexander Kabaev
> I am experiencing a really noticable slower startup time on my very > recent-CURRENT laptop for almost all programs. The problem seems to be > in getting info in the cache, because it disappears when I start the > same program again. This almost certainly is caused by the 'ioslow' addition to sp

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > All you have to do is create a situation where a shared object that links > > > > to libc_r is loaded after libX11 and the thing breaks into little pieces. > > > > > > So let's dike out libXThrStub.so, and be done with it. > >

Re: build broken

2002-10-30 Thread Peter Schultz
Eric J. Chet wrote: Hello I just tried a -current buildworld which failed: --- "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/tmac/Makefile", line 2: warning: duplicate script for target "-s" ignored make: don't know how to make doc-common-s. Stop --- Anybody else seeing this? Thanks, Eric Yes, buildworld

What's this for ?

2002-10-30 Thread Juan Francisco Rodriguez Hervella
I've seen this looking for ISO images of FreeBSD-5.0-DP1: 5.0-DP1-disc2.iso - 5.0 Developer Preview #1 - live filesystem. is it possible to work with this filesystem ? I mean, what can be done ? is it auto-bootable or I need to boot from the other one ? Thanks -- JFRH. To Unsubscribe

Re: speed of -CURRENT [was: questions about the state of current]

2002-10-30 Thread Stijn Hoop
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 07:48:14AM -0500, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > > I am experiencing a really noticable slower startup time on my very > > recent-CURRENT laptop for almost all programs. The problem seems to be > > in getting info in the cache, because it disappears when I start the > > same prog

Re: [CFR] ipfilter IPv6 support in rc

2002-10-30 Thread Ronald van der Pol
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 00:38:39 +0900, Hajimu UMEMOTO wrote: > Please review it. If there is no objection, I'll commit it at next > weekend. Reviewed -stable, looks OK. Would be nice to have this fix. Thanks. rvdp To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebs

RE: NEWCARD and "Linksys PCM200 ver. 2" CardBus Ethernet

2002-10-30 Thread John Baldwin
On 29-Oct-2002 Garrett Wollman wrote: > Has anyone managed to make one of these work? I get the following > messages: > > cardbus1: Expecting link target, got 0x59 > cardbus1: Resource not specified in CIS: id=10, size=100 > cardbus1: Resource not specified in CIS: id=14, size=400 > cardbus1: (

Re: NEWCARD and "Linksys PCM200 ver. 2" CardBus Ethernet

2002-10-30 Thread John Baldwin
On 29-Oct-2002 M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Garrett Wollman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >: Has anyone managed to make one of these work? I get the following >: messages: >: >: cardbus1: Expecting link target, got 0x59 >: cardbus1: Resource not specified i

Re: The next "make release" breaker...

2002-10-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Jun Kuriyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:01:32 +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > The *installed* libssh shouldn't matter. What matters is the libssh > > which is built during 'make world' inside the chroot. That's what > > sshd should be linked against. > Sorry for my

Re: The next "make release" breaker...

2002-10-30 Thread John Hay
> Jun Kuriyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > At Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:01:32 +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > The *installed* libssh shouldn't matter. What matters is the libssh > > > which is built during 'make world' inside the chroot. That's what > > > sshd should be linked against. > >

Re: The next "make release" breaker...

2002-10-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
John Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The part where it is failing is in release.3 of release/Makefile. > Following that around libssh should probably be rebuilt with K5, > so shouldn't KPROGS in kerberos5/Makefile also have > secure/lib/libssh? Indeed. Thanks for tracking this down. DES -- Da

Re: smbfs broken?

2002-10-30 Thread Boris Popov
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Vitaly Markitantov wrote: > When i tries to copy a file from smbfs share mounted by mount_smbfs > i get an error: > cp: ./filename: Bad address > > But when i copy a file to share i get kernel panic like this: > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode Ear

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Chad David
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:52:56PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Chad David wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:04:21PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Chad David wrote: > > > > Does anybody know if there is a good reason why libobjc is built with > > > > thr-single.c? > > > > > > Historical th

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Craig Rodrigues
Hi, I don't think many people in the FreeBSD community use Objective-C, hence the apparent lack of a maintainer. The proper way to submit patches to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list at the FSF GCC project is to follow the procedures documented at: http://gcc.gnu.org/contribute.html If you are

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Chad David
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:17:07AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:02:16PM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:11:56PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:09:41PM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > > > Does anybody know if there is a g

Re: Wine-2002.10.07 port on FreeBSD 5.0-current

2002-10-30 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Krzysztof [iso-8859-2] Jêdruczyk wrote: > Yesterday I tried to upgrade wine on my FreeBSD-current box. It didn't > compile until I changed following in server/context_i386.c (looks like > this is because of commit of 1.28 version of src/sys/i386/include/reg.h) Thanks for the h

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Chad David
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:19:43AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:52:56PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > That said, if you want to make it work for you, I'm behind you > > 100%: I think any changes you want to make are OK; they can > > always be backed out, if anyone star

RE: NEWCARD and "Linksys PCM200 ver. 2" CardBus Ethernet

2002-10-30 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > I used to use one. The dc(4) driver was broken a while back and > now has issues with this card that it didn't used to have, but it > should mostly work (it just needs to be ifconfig'd down and up when > it freezes sometimes). You do need the dc(4) driver in your kernel > or kldload th

Re: NEWCARD and "Linksys PCM200 ver. 2" CardBus Ethernet

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Garrett Wollman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : < said: : > I used to use one. The dc(4) driver was broken a while back and : > now has issues with this card that it didn't used to have, but it : > should mostly work (it just needs to be ifconfig'd down an

Re: libc in CURRENT fails as of 1200 GMT today

2002-10-30 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 04:48:23PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote: > /usr/src/lib/libc/uuid/uuid_compare.c:31:18: uuid.h: No such file or directory > /usr/src/lib/libc/uuid/uuid_create.c:30:18: uuid.h: No such file or directory > /usr/src/lib/libc/uuid/uuid_create_nil.c:31:18: uuid.h: No such

Re: libc in CURRENT fails as of 1200 GMT today

2002-10-30 Thread Hiten Pandya
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 04:48:23PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote the words in effect of: > [ ... ] > > I have not seen a commit since that time --4+ hours. > > everything else compiled; obviously a lot of incompletes > without libc Hey there. Could you please do a `make inclu

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:23:00AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > David O'Brien wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:52:56PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > That said, if you want to make it work for you, I'm behind you > > > 100%: I think any changes you want to make are OK; they can > > > alway

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:23:53AM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > Which brings us back to my original question... why are ObjC threads > disabled? I don't much care about my other patches, I just want > to know who the 10 others are who will break if we enable threads, > and how to fix that breakag

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: David O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2002-10-30 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Objective-C threads ] > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:23:53AM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > > > Which brings us back to my original question... why are ObjC threads > > disabled? I don't much care about my other patc

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:16:26AM -0700, Chad David wrote: > No there is no reason, and yes the changes are generic. I don't really > expect there to be many (if any) changes to libobjc that are not generic, > so if gcc-patches is the place to go, that is where I'll go. It is. > In your experi

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Chad David
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:09:16AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:23:53AM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > > > Which brings us back to my original question... why are ObjC threads > > disabled? I don't much care about my other patches, I just want > > to know who the 10 othe

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Chad David
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:22:21AM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: > * De: David O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2002-10-30 ] > [ Subjecte: Re: Objective-C threads ] > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:23:53AM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > > > > > Which brings us back to my original question... why

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Chad David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2002-10-30 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Objective-C threads ] > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:22:21AM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: > > * De: David O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2002-10-30 ] > > [ Subjecte: Re: Objective-C threads ] > > > On Wed, Oct 30

Re: burncd/cdcontrol

2002-10-30 Thread Nate Lawson
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Soeren Schmidt wrote: > Hmm, it is true that I could use ATAPI command directly in burncd, and > I actually have a version in the lab that is ~75% converted to that, I'd love to see that once you're ready to release. > but that is not the only issue here. The ATAPI cd driver

Re: questions about the state of current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 29-Oct-2002 clark shishido wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:40:53AM -0700, Raymond Kohler wrote: > >> 1) How is the speed compared to stable? I remember it being just too slow some >months ago and > >> was wondering how it was improving. > >> >

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Daniel Eischen wrote: > > That's bizarre... it's defined in libc_r, so there's no reason for > > the omission in libc. > > I only added stubs that I thought the implementation of libc used > (or would use). Makes sense. Actually, it looks like most of this could be done with macros, including th

Re: What's this for ?

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Juan Francisco Rodriguez Hervella wrote: > I've seen this looking for ISO images > of FreeBSD-5.0-DP1: > > 5.0-DP1-disc2.iso - 5.0 Developer Preview #1 - live filesystem. > > is it possible to work with this filesystem ? > I mean, what can be done ? is it auto-bootable or > I need to boot f

RCng Awkwardness

2002-10-30 Thread Tim Kientzle
I find the standard arguments used by RCng quite awkward. In particular, especially for people who have worked with SysV-style init scripts, it's rather surprising that "/etc/rc.d/nfsd stop" does not actually stop the nfsd process. Likewise, 'start' doesn't actually start the specified system. I

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Chad David wrote: > > That said, if you want to make it work for you, I'm behind you > > 100%: I think any changes you want to make are OK; they can > > always be backed out, if anyone starts complaining about them > > breaking things, so I think it's kind of silly for you to ask > > for permission

Re: What's this for ?

2002-10-30 Thread John Baldwin
On 30-Oct-2002 Terry Lambert wrote: > Juan Francisco Rodriguez Hervella wrote: >> I've seen this looking for ISO images >> of FreeBSD-5.0-DP1: >> >> 5.0-DP1-disc2.iso - 5.0 Developer Preview #1 - live filesystem. >> >> is it possible to work with this filesystem ? >> I mean, what can be do

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Chad David wrote: > In your experience, how long is the delay between gcc-patches accepting > something and FreeBSD picking it up, ie. is it worth the effort? Jeremey Allison (of SAMBA) and I made patches to ACAP to get it to compile under G++, and that required patches to G++ 2.9.3 to support per

Re: RCng Awkwardness

2002-10-30 Thread Gordon Tetlow
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:50:45AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > I find the standard arguments used by RCng quite > awkward. In particular, especially for people who > have worked with SysV-style init scripts, it's > rather surprising that "/etc/rc.d/nfsd stop" does > not actually stop the nfsd pro

Re: What's this for ?

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
John Baldwin wrote: > > It's an installed FreeBSD that is on a CDROM. It depends on your > > BIOS being able to boot the FS as if it were a hard disk image. > > Huh? It doesn't do that. If it is bootable, then it boots into > sysinstall just like CD #1. What it is useful for is to be used > as

make relase, new mode of breakage...

2002-10-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Fresh -current, fresh fracture: cd /usr/src/release/..; make TARGET_ARCH=i386 TARGET=i386 -j12 -DNO_MAKEDB_RUN -DMAKE_KERBEROS5 SUBDIR_OVERRIDE="kerberos5 lib/libpam lib/libssh secure/usr.bi n/ssh secure/usr.sbin/sshd" buildworld distributeworld DISTDIR=/R/stage/trees

Re: What's this for ?

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Terry Lambert wrote: > You're right... I confused the "Live FS" with the "Live CD", > which is a seperate image distribution. Sorry for the bum > information. FWIW, on the original question of "what is it for", I personally tend to use it to create chroot environments for hosted builds across Fre

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > That's bizarre... it's defined in libc_r, so there's no reason for > > > the omission in libc. > > > > I only added stubs that I thought the implementation of libc used > > (or would use). > > Makes sense. > > Actually, it loo

libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Nate Lawson
After a discussion on cvs-all regarding size of our libc, I wrote a quick script to see where the problems are. A cursory glance at its output shows there are numerous things we can improve, including: * setproctitle(3) uses 4k of static scratch buffers when it could allocate these on the s

Re: speed of -CURRENT [was: questions about the state of current]

2002-10-30 Thread Kenneth Culver
> The systems hostname was changed between Aug & Oct, but it's the > same laptop, a P3-800 w/256MB memory. > > Thoughts? > I have not really noticed a performance difference here. In fact with WITNESS and INVARIANTS disabled, I find that -CURRENT seems to be a bit faster than -STABLE. Ken To Uns

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > Patch looks correct. > > > > Please commit? 8-). > > Well I made a libc with this patch and rebuilt XFree86-4-libraries without > libXThrStub but I ran into problems compiling the clients. The clients >

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Nate Lawson wrote: > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by text > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, > please submit a patch. > > http://www.root.org/~nate/freebsd/lib_size.out Move the resolver code out to ibresolv.so, and link

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > > That's bizarre... it's defined in libc_r, so there's no reason for > > > > the omission in libc. > > > > > > I only added stubs that I thought the implementation of libc used >

Re: RCng Awkwardness

2002-10-30 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Gordon Tetlow writes: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:50:45AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > > I find the standard arguments used by RCng quite > > awkward. In particular, especially for people who > > have worked with SysV-style init scripts, it's > > rather surprising that "/etc/rc.d/nfsd stop"

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: > Nate Lawson wrote: > > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by text > > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, > > please submit a patch. > > > > http://www.root.org/~nate/freebsd/lib_size.out > > Move the resolv

Re: questions about the state of current

2002-10-30 Thread Colin Harford
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 11:43 AM, Doug Rabson wrote: I compiled kde3 a week or so ago on my laptop running -current and it is now my new desktop, so I think reports of kde being totally hosed are a bit exagerated or perhaps dated. Hmm. I compiled it a few days ago and it was qui

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Daniel Eischen wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > > > That's bizarre... it's defined in libc_r, so there's no reason for > > > > > the omission in libc. > > > > > > > > I only a

Re: libc in CURRENT fails as of 1200 GMT today

2002-10-30 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
[The crucial question is hidden somewhere...] On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 08:55:05PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote: > Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:02:17 -0800 by Marcel Moolenaar > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 04:48:23PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote: > + > /usr/src/lib/libc/uuid/uuid_compare.c:31:18:

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > > Patch looks correct. > > > > > > Please commit? 8-). > > > > Well I made a libc with this patch and rebuilt XFree86-4-libraries without > > libXThrStub

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Peter Wemm wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > Nate Lawson wrote: > > > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by text > > > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, > > > please submit a patch. > > > > > > http://www.roo

Re: RCng Awkwardness

2002-10-30 Thread Tim Kientzle
Gordon Tetlow wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:50:45AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: I find the standard arguments used by RCng quite awkward. In particular, ... "/etc/rc.d/nfsd stop" does not actually stop the nfsd process. ... ... I've found this behavior to be quite annoying. I'll see if I

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > > > Patch looks correct. > > > > > > > > Please commit? 8-). > > > > > > Well I made a libc with this pa

rc.d and sysctl.conf

2002-10-30 Thread Bill Fenner
/etc/rc runs /etc/rc.sysctl twice: one "early", after mounting filesystems, reseeding the random number generator and adding a swap file, and before running rc.serial, rc.pccard, rc.network. one "late", after network_pass4 but before raising the securelevel. This was added in response to http:/

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > Nate Lawson wrote: > > > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by text > > > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, > > > please submit a patch. > > > > > > http://www.root.org/~nate/freebsd/li

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Daniel Eischen wrote: > > Well, it must have the same problem with Solaris then. Somehow, > > you've got to force it to link libc_r before libc... > > The only way I can see to do that is to link libX11, libXt and friends > against libc_r. What this com

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Nate Lawson wrote: > > > > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by tex t > > > > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, > > > > please submit a patch. > > > > > >

Re: libc in CURRENT fails as of 1200 GMT today

2002-10-30 Thread Steve Kargl
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 08:55:05PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote: > Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:02:17 -0800 by Marcel Moolenaar > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 04:48:23PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote: >> /usr/src/lib/libc/uuid/uuid_compare.c:31:18: uuid.h: No such file \ >> or directory >+> [snip

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Oct 30), Doug Rabson said: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Peter Wemm wrote: > > We've been over this before. To make this work right, we need to > > make /bin and /sbin dynamically linked. NetBSD's /rescue/* > > approach would solve the "oops!" and other foot shooting problems. > >

Re: Wine-2002.10.07 port on FreeBSD 5.0-current

2002-10-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Gerald Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Poul-Henning, your patch to src/sys/i386/include/reg.h > > revision 1.28 > date: 2002/10/20 20:48:56; author: phk; state: Exp; lines: +6 -9 > Change the definition of the debugging registers to be an array, so > that we can index into it, rath

Re: adaptec scsi - seagate da -- current

2002-10-30 Thread Justin T. Gibbs
> Hi, > > I am running current cvsuped within this week. I have an adaptec > builtin scsi controller and a seagate drive attached to it and > after every bootup as soon as there is heavy disk activity > the drive gets disabled for 1 or 2 minutes and meanwhile all > functionality RELATED to disk

Problems with 5.0 current release in case of multiple PCI busses ...

2002-10-30 Thread Manish Lachwani
Hello, I am using a Force 4203 motherboard which has multiple PCIX busses. Devices on PCIX busses > 0 are not detected. This is the dmesg with ACPI enabled. Note that I have actually put the printf's for the vendor id's and device id's in the bge driver since the BCM5701 NIC does not get detected.

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > > You need to link the library against libc_r.so instead of libXThrStub.so. > > Probably not. Doing that breaks the existing 'feature' of being able to > use X11 in entirely non-threaded programs. I'm not sure whether that is > acceptable. It also stops programs from being abl

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > > I think the only sensible solution to this problem is for libraries which > > provide an actual pthreads implementation (rather than a set of stubs) to > > define strong symbols. Wierd debugging wrappers can still be achieved via > > some dlopen/dlsym hackery. > > For what i

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bruce Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : The reasons are the same as they used to be: incomplete language support : and incomplete library support. Language support is being completed but : is far from here yet. See the paper referenced in Loren's repl

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 30), Doug Rabson said: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > We've been over this before. To make this work right, we need to > > > make /bin and /sbin dynamically linked. NetBSD's /rescue/* > > > approach would solve the "oops!" and other f

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Peter Wemm
Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 30), Doug Rabson said: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > We've been over this before. To make this work right, we need to > > > make /bin and /sbin dynamically linked. NetBSD's /rescue/* > > > approach would solve the "oops!" and other f

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
"M. Warner Losh" wrote: > And there's a comment: > * 64-bit precision often gives bad results with high level languages > * because it makes the results of calculations depend on whether > * intermediate values are stored in memory or in FPU registers. > which seems like a compiler issue, not an

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > You need to link the library against libc_r.so instead of libXThrStub.so. > > > > Probably not. Doing that breaks the existing 'feature' of being able to > > use X11 in entirely non-threaded programs. I'm not sure whether that is

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > I think the only sensible solution to this problem is for libraries which > > > provide an actual pthreads implementation (rather than a set of stubs) to > > > define strong symbols. Wierd debugging wrappers can still be achieved

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > > Note that dynamically-linked executables take significantly longer to > > exec than statically-linked ones. > > Indeed yes. Running ld-elf.so.1 isn't free. Also, calling PIC libraries > isn't free either. Not only that, but even fork(2) is slower when you come > *from* a

alpha tinderbox failure

2002-10-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools -- >>> stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > > You can't have a library that's sort of threaded and sort of not > > threaded: pick one. > > Yes you can - libX11 is *thread safe* but doesn't create threads. When a > real pthreads implementation is present, libX11 uses its implementation of > mutex, cond etc. to ensure its

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > > > For what its worth, doing this (defining strong pthread_* symbols in > > > libc_r) makes everything work fine, with or without libXThrStub. > > > > No, this would be bad. There's some justification for not > > doing this, in allowing programs linked againts libraries linke

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : "M. Warner Losh" wrote: : > And there's a comment: : > * 64-bit precision often gives bad results with high level languages : > * because it makes the results of calculations depend on whether : > * intermedi

Re: RCng Awkwardness

2002-10-30 Thread Gordon Tetlow
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:23:48PM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > Gordon Tetlow wrote: > > >On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:50:45AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > > > >>I find the standard arguments used by RCng quite > >>awkward. In particular, ... "/etc/rc.d/nfsd stop" does > >>not actually stop the nfs

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > I think I don't understand what you are saying at all. It doesn't > seem top jive with the rest of the messages in this thread. Of course not, it's Terry ``Irrelevant Tangent'' Lambert you're taking about. -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe f

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: [rude snipe deleted...] Sorry, that was un-called-for (and was intended to be a private message to Warner). -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Followup: questions about the performance of current

2002-10-30 Thread Ray Kohler
Ok, so based on the promising response I got to my original 3 questions, I went ahead and upgraded. It went _very_ smoothly, with the help of UPDATING and some experience with this sort of thing. No make errors at any point. The only issues I hit were my fault, like forgetting to run mergemaste

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