On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 01:13 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:50:39 -0600, Lane Holcombe wrote:
> > Check out SMART_HOST in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README
>
> I'm using the SMART_HOST functionality, too. But there's
> no authentification (usernam
bmit.mc, but in freebsd.mc. Or
.mc, if you've already tweaked it before
SMART_HOST is the upstream smtp server where all outgoing email is
sent.
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is not a serviceable protocol.
Jerry,
point your aggregator to http://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories.rdf
There have only been 12 security advisories put out this year, as far as
I can tell. Nothing about this one, though.
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:)
So you should consider REBUILDING WORLD immediately after you do a new
install. And THEN build/install whatever ports you need ...
Good Luck!
lane
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 19:12 -0400, PJ wrote:
> Does anybody have an idea of what the oder of files and dependencies is
> to install progra
java on
FreeBSD?
thanks!
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On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 08:28 +0300, Yuri Pankov wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 11:12:20PM -0600, Lane Holcombe wrote:
> > I'm running FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #1, compiled locally on Tue May 8
> > 16:39:25 CDT 2007
> >
> >
> > gdm was compi
heme=happygnome-list
GraphicalThemeRand=true
GraphicalThemes=circles/:happygnome-list/:happygnome
[chooser]
[debug]
Enable=true
[servers]
0=Standard
[server-Standard]
name=Standard server
command=/usr/local/bin/X -audit 0
chooser=false
handled=true
flexible=true
priority=0
Thanks for being an
0
But that does not make a difference, even after reboot.
Your helpful suggestions and insight are appreciated.
lane
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y memory, but using it allowed
make buildworld
to succeed on RELENG_5_5
Thanks for taking the time to hold my hand :)
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On Monday 07 May 2007 20:58, RW wrote:
> On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:07:09 -0500
>
> Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm trying to upgrade from 5.4 to ANYTHING and I'm confounded by
> >
> > I've tried with (in /etc/cvsupfile) "tag=" each
hich might account for these consistent failures.
Any pointers, no matter HOW OBVIOUS, will be appreciated. I'm just about LOST
on this!
Thanks for reading me vent :)
Lane
===> lib/csu/i386-elf (all)
===> lib/libbsm (all)
cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/src/lib/libbsm/../
you type
rehash
from the shell where you invoked make.
Good luck!
lane
P.S. A subject would be more helpful
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On Sunday 31 December 2006 01:52, George wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 06:22:09PM -0600, Lane wrote:
> > On Saturday 30 December 2006 12:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 10:16:20AM -0500, Robert Huff wrote:
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ing, using history interactively, and many others)
> and scripting (for example, conditional expressions).
Here's a "brute-force" manual:
#!/bin/sh
for each in `find /etc/rc.d`
do
more $each
done
If you need more than what is there then you probably need Kernigan and
Ritchie
their password. From www
> would be preferred way. And possibly to change their .forward file too. So
> are there any tools for this?
There is /usr/ports/mail/poppwd which I've used from within
neomail/openwebmail using https. I believe you could
reboot
If ppp does not start then ...
edit /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ppp-user to REMOVE the # REQUIRE line
reboot again
If ppp STILL does not start ... well ... i don't like my solutions, but ...
I'd delete all of the rcorder information from my script and hang on until
the developer (o
reboot
If ppp does not start then ...
edit /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ppp-user to REMOVE the # REQUIRE line
reboot again
If ppp STILL does not start ... well ... i don't like my solutions, but ...
I'd delete all of the rcorder information from my script and hang on until
the developer (o
ution" were you drinking so early?
Is this all for comic relief? Otherwise I can't imagine why you would DOG
Microsoft so hard, then send your email out via one of Microsoft crippled
OS's, by way of a hotmail account.
You are a hoot!
lane
P.S. Did you ever figure out how to get Drago
On Sunday 17 December 2006 04:52, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> Lane wrote:
> > I can, in fact, run a gui root process on the remote machine, now.
> >
> > Unfortunately I still can't run qemu so that I can get the console. I
> > get:
> >
> > X Error o
;fixed" it by doing
cd /usr/ports/lang/ruby18
make -DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER install
and then rebuilt sysutils/portupgrade
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;fixed" it by doing
cd /usr/ports/lang/ruby18
make -DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER install
and then rebuilt sysutils/portupgrade
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Serial number of failed request: 18
Current serial number in output stream: 21
Any advice on how to setup the remote (headless, mouseless, and keyboardless)
server to run X? My brain is fried trying to track down a HOWTO, and the
wiki is just a half millimeter left of useless.
Thanks for y
On Saturday 16 December 2006 17:11, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Lane wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I need to run X ... or in some way gain access to the display
> > output on a
> > remote box that has neither mouse, keyboard, or conso
On Saturday 16 December 2006 12:34, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
> On 12/16/06, Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I need to run X ... or in some way gain access to
> > the display output on a remote box that has neither
> > mouse, keyboard, or conso
erverFlags
option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
EndSection
But now I get
Fatal error: no screens found.
Is it even possible to have the remote headless box host an X session?
thanks,
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http:/
un0 and all others to the
defaultrouter on the host machine? I'm looking at "ipfw add forward ..." but
it does not look promising.
Thanks for your time. I know I can be long-winded.
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On Thursday 14 December 2006 02:08, James Long wrote:
> > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:33:32 -0600
> > From: Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: how do I see security logs without turning on sendmail?
> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > Message-ID:
SMART_HOST
and/or HUB settings), and then running "make install" in /etc/mail. (And this
is always going to be the case where sendmail is concerned)
I hope this information leads you to a resolution, as it has been a great
learning experience for me ... but my brain hurts :)
lane
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 17:22, Tuareg wrote:
> On 12/13/06, Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tuareg,
> >
> > Yours is a mystery.
>
> Exactly... I can't find how the server is sending the emails without
> having sendmail active.
>
> L
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 16:36, Tuareg wrote:
> On 12/13/06, Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tuareg,
> >
> > Post /etc/rc.conf from one of the servers that does what you want and
> > that should lead us to what mta is handling email.
>
>
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 14:31, Tuareg wrote:
> On 12/13/06, Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tuareg,
> >
> > What happens when you do this:
> >
> > telnet localhost
>
> telnet localhost 25
> Trying 127.0.0.1...
> telnet: connect to addr
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 13:33, Lane wrote:
> Tuareg
> ...
> follow
> to
> difficult
> it
> find
> I
> as
> post
> top
> don't
> please
>
> ... to say it another way ...
>
> please
> don't
> top
> post,
> as
> I
>
fax (314)754-9556 Phone: 314.680.0575 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> - End forwarded message -
Wayne, I think you may have missed the answer.
What directory are you running make from? Is it /usr/ports/java/jdk15?
/usr/ports is the default locati
Tuareg
...
follow
to
difficult
it
find
I
as
post
top
don't
please
... to say it another way ...
please
don't
top
post,
as
I
find
it
difficult
to
follow ...
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 13:12, Tuareg wrote:
> Hi Lane,
>
> We have tried that too..
>
> We have t
rmation, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html
> See complete headers for address and phone numbers.
Not that Ted needs any defense, but ...
He's also made a few of us pay attention and pitch in.
God love him!
Now where is the girl in the tank top?
lane
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>
> I apologize, I didn't realize that 4.x was no longer supported (I thought
> RELENG_4 was still getting commits). In that case, I would make the move to
> 6.x being that 5.x wasn't exactly the best release performance-wise and it
> will be moving out of support sooner too.
>
> Chad
Chad,
What was the problem with performance in 5.x?
I'm not challenging your assertion, not at all. But this is the second time
in this thread that I've read comments about poor performance in 5.x, and ...
well ... I've not experienced that - quite the contrary.
I'm just curious - did I maybe miss some discussion about how poor 5.x was?
Thanks for your time
lane
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ge.
While many of us track the list regularly, there are much more that just toss
a question out, and then google the replies.
I think, in terms of server load, it probably is better this way. Not to
mention that it is more convenient for the questioners, and thus better for
the larger Free
w of any links to benchmark tests, or other data, which would
provide some more background on this?
That kind of data would greatly influence my opinion in this discussion.
Without it I'd be pleased to recommend 5.X, regardless of it's pending "drop
dead" date, wrt support. I
On Friday 08 December 2006 14:57, Alexis Dorais-Joncas wrote:
> Lane a écrit :
> > On Friday 08 December 2006 13:58, Alexis Dorais-Joncas wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Subject says it all. I would like to install the package phpMyAdmin on
> >> two dif
the porters' handbook,
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/.
You are interested primarily in PREFIX and DESTDIR, but all of the text up to
that point is enlightening.
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; then
echo $each : "$MYF"
fi
MYF=""
fi
done
It could probably be done more easily with sed and some elbow grease, but it
does show NGROUPS defined here:
/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xos.h : #define NGROUPS 16
and
/usr/include/sys/param.h
among other places.
Good luck!
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On Friday 08 December 2006 11:16, Tuareg wrote:
> On 12/5/06, Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 05 December 2006 21:49, Wasp King wrote:
> > > is there a way that one can specify a log place to see
> > > daily logs like you receive from [EMAIL PROTECTE
Andrew,
Sorry no one responded.
How 'bout a
uname -a
plus
dmesg
and some information about the install status...
You indicate with "The panics usually happen when installing something via
Ports" that the system is fully installed, but that is not absolutely
t
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Matthew,
What are some of the symptoms? Has the nic worked before? If so, are there
any error messages in /var/log/messages?
What does
ifconfig -a
show?
ut rebooting) is
ls -al | grep inetd
take note othe number, such as:
697 ?? Is 0:00.01 /usr/sbin/inetd -wW -C 60
Then
kill -HUP 697
This will restart inetd and anything that it manages for you, such as telnet,
ftp, or whatever.
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disallowing external hosts from sending email by
way of the local host. Note that this requires that you pay heed
to /etc/mail/Makefile and associated README documentation
in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail and below.
Best of luck!
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etc/rc.d instead of /etc/rc.d is because
everyting in /etc is managed by the OS. Everything in /usr/local is managed
by you.
This is not of particular concern if you intend to just "play" with the OS and
never commit to it ... let alone upgrade it, or use it in a production
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 06:14, you wrote:
> Hello Lane!
>
>I'm a frequent reader to /usr/src/UPDATING
>But whenever I need to update or upgrade only, since years!
>
>Also I knew very well whats KERNCONF! i just wanted to know and make
> sure of the du
us1.samba.org/samba/archives.html
and here:
https://lists.samba.org/mailman/
Your question is specific to samba, and probably not related to
FreeBSD-specific issues.
lane
P.S. I note that the hosts in the links above are mostly "us1." That's
probably something to do with th
ou see the terms "CPU1 Launched!" then you've got yourself an SMP kernel.
Good Luck!
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utput. But make sure you follow the warnings at
top and put your modifications in /etc/rc.conf
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ttempt, so I can be sure to keep an eye on
the trouble-maker.
BTW: I think to completely block ping/traceroute you would add an ipfw rule
like:
ipfw add drop icmp from any to any in via $eternal_nic
But that may introduce complications I'm unaware of ...
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If you are using sendmail you might just alias the mailbox to the user. That
way the messages get forwarded to the user upon arrival, rather than on a
schedule or with manual intervention.
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ive. Also
you are likely also running DHCP, which I'd recommend you move from your
external DNS server to the new internal DNS server (if that is your current
setup).
Usually 2 cents, but free for you!
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Dan,
I think the "group" is a reference to a "set" (0-31). Although I could be
mistaken.
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now if it's exactly what you want, but there may be another way:
Write a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d that responds to the "start" and "stop"
parameters. In the "stop" section you can output "ipfw list" to a file.
Then in the "sta
ly for small stuff. I never
> had any glitches (and never had to wait for 2 days) when I upgraded by
> simply saving all my settings on a CD, downloaded the new ISO, install
> everything, and get the settings back in.
>
> Thanks,
UGH! Just went through it
Then after reboot:
> > ps ax | grep l2tpd
> > 667 v1 RL+0:00.00 grep l2tpd
> >
> > i.e no l2tpd has been started.
> > no messages on console, either. My script just got silently skipped, all
> > other services are starting up fine.
> >
> > What&#
What's wrong?
Maybe l2tpd is failing after initialization? Do you see "l2tp debug"
during "local package initialization" section of boot?
Try this:
/etc/rc.d/localpkg restart
does it show up? Does anything show up?
Can you run it manually? If not then it
t /etc/newsyslog.conf as it is designed just for rotating and
removing log files
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your desktop then maybe you
don't know how to start.
Try this: send a question to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If this is what you feel you've done with the subject line "freebsd desktop |
mozilla" then ... maybe you could rephrase the question. Somethin
On Friday 24 November 2006 17:16, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> Hello,
>
> When I type "make config" for a port and set some options, where are
> they stored?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
Whoops!
Thats /var/db/ports//options
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On Friday 24 November 2006 17:16, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> Hello,
>
> When I type "make config" for a port and set some options, where are
> they stored?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
Mike,
Check out /var/db//options
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g on, as you cannot
guarantee that the terminal byte of the ip will be available on any given
network. IP just doesn't work that way.
I'd be interested in any solution you may scare up, as I am faced with a
similar situation. My solution is to just use static assignment, with an
identifiable NETBIOS name in Samba.
Good Luck
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Hey, Tsu-fan.
Is that "Troy State University?"
No matter.
I've used the Happahauge PVR-250 with MythTV on 5.4-STABLE with great success.
I concur with Norberto, the freebsd-multimedia group is the place for detailed
information.
But keep your subscri
Hello,
I am attempting to recompile my kernel, so I made
a modified version of the GENERIC kernel configuration
(included below), and attempted a recompile. I've
tried both the "Old" and "New" compilation methods
mentioned in the handbook. Both of them die, telling
me that they have an undef
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 21:33, Robert Huff wrote:
> Kevin Brunelle writes:
> > On Tuesday 31 October 2006 21:43, Miguel Vazquez Gocobachi wrote:
> > > I am interesting to be a ports maintainer for FreeBSD project.
> > > What need I do?
> >
> > Find a port that needs a maintainer and take ove
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK
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Martin,
Post the offending line or even all of /etc/crontab
lane
t;
> Nick
>
Nick,
check out
man acpi
there are some tunables that you can put in /etc/sysctl.conf to turn off
certain power management items during boot.
lane
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rt with
man dhcpd.conf
then
man dhcpd
Contact me directly if these pointers don't lead you to a resolution.
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d.
Could one of ya'll who has recently (like in the last several days, or weeks)
downloaded and installed FreeBSD tell me what your "options" menu says
in "Release Name" from sysinstall?
Thanks.
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deo card.
>
> can anyone gives me a hint? thx.
>
> Sherry Zhang
Sherry,
This is probably an xorg issue, not freebsd-specific. But send a copy
of /var/log/Xorg.0.log, just for giggles.
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to
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Matthew,
I think you could probably shortcut some of this by doing:
portinstall x11/xorg
after logging in as root
if you get:
portinstall: Command not found
then do this:
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade
make all install
rehash
Then retry
portinstall x11/xorg
email me if that doesn't work for you
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l responds normally.
It's no answer, but what I did was allow telnet connections via the internal
nic, because even telnet is unaffected. Only ssh causes me a problem.
I'm interested in the answer to this one.
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nes will be the Server name and address of server "B" if
server "B" knows how to do dns resolution.
You'd have to log into server b to cat /etc/resolv.conf, probably.
If you are on a Windows box you can use the "nslookup "
synt
On Friday 27 October 2006 10:05, opbc wrote:
> Greetings to all,
> Could someone please tell me how to upgrade my venerable 4.2 to the newer
> and cooler version(s)?
>
> Lane?
>
> Z. Wade Hampton
> Sheridan, Montana
> UNIX PINE 4.21
>
>
On Friday 27 October 2006 07:16, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote:
> Lane wrote:
> > Adrian,
> >
> > Use /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui and create a cvsupfile. You can
> > then selectively install src-all, src-contrib, ports-all and any of the
> > vario
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I use cvsup5.freebsd.org as the others usually return that error message when
I try them (usually when I'm in a hurry).
cvsup4 is fairly reliable, too.
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Jeff,
man sed
is your friend.
awk is awkward, but it may be useful as well
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On Thursday 26 October 2006 23:16, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> Lane wrote:
> > On Thursday 26 October 2006 19:07, Rik Davis wrote:
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> I'm a die hard freebsd user, but I am finding myself becomeing quite
> >> frustrated with why
sr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui and create a cvsupfile. You can then
selectively install src-all, src-contrib, ports-all and any of the various
ports sub-trees that you need (but stick with ports-all).
cvsup will get the proper Makefiles and whatnot for you.
Email me if you need help setting th
onf" to finger out what it does. It did the same in 4.2.
What happens when you do a "nslookup oldpathsbaptistchurch.org" from
a "shell"? Does it tell you anything about "15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160,
PMB 353" in Arizona?
I learned on 4.2, so I think
rmitted" when attempting to mount the usb drive as a non-root user.
> >
> > Thanks for your attention.
> >
> > lane
>
> Do you have this in your /etc/sysctl.conf :
> vfs.usermount=1
Ahhh... I just found that!
Plus, apparently t
rmitted" when attempting to mount the usb drive as a non-root user.
> >
> > Thanks for your attention.
> >
> > lane
>
> Do you have this in your /etc/sysctl.conf :
> vfs.usermount=1
Ahhh... I just found that!
Plus, apparently t
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Thanks, Paul
I had a similar setup in /etc/rc.conf and /etc/devfs.rules which didn't work.
I copied yours and then rebooted, but I still get "operation not p
out a way...
Ya'll don't gotta just tell me the answer, if you don't want. I'm a "man"
man, so to speak. I'm eager to look it up myself, only I don't rightly know
whereinaheck to look.
Thanks,
lane
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On Monday 23 October 2006 11:14, Vince wrote:
> Lane wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I run openwebmail which wants perl compiled -DENABLE_SUIDPERL
> >
> > However, when I portupgrade perl, this option is apparently not reused,
> > and openwebmail fails until I re
do I get portupgrade to remember the options I used
when I compiled perl?
Thanks!
lane
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On Sunday 22 October 2006 01:21, Scott Bennett wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:06:36 -0500 Patrick Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> >Lane wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I've a new inspiron 6400 running FreeBSD 6.1 and I can't get
On Sunday 22 October 2006 00:06, Patrick Bowen wrote:
> Lane wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've a new inspiron 6400 running FreeBSD 6.1 and I can't get Wireless to
> > work. It works on WXP using the Dell WLAN drivers at
> > http://ftp.us.dell.com/ne
x27;Ricoh Co Ltd'
device = 'SD Bus Host Adapter'
class= base peripheral
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:2: class=0x088000 card=0x01bd1028 chip=0x08431180 rev=0x01
hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Ricoh Co Ltd'
class= base peripheral
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:3: class=0x088000 card=0
al interface. But again, that post is suspect. So I'm not sure where to
go next (thank the devil for [EMAIL PROTECTED])!
Thanks,
lane
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On Monday 16 October 2006 04:26, you wrote:
> Lane wrote:
> > On Monday 16 October 2006 04:01, Payne wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Hello I have a question. I got a box. I got a strange message...
> >>
> >> SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched!
> >>
gt; "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Payne,
I believe CPU #x Launched! means that your SMP Kernel is working properly, has
detected the multiple CPU's and has begun using them.
My CPU's are numbered #0 and #1 so I get "CPU #1 Launched!"
lane
On Monday 16 October 2006 01:56, Joerg Pernfuss wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:42:24 -0500
>
> Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But still I get nothing.
> >
> > Perhaps mod_php is no longer available for FreeBSD 5.4?
>
> Please post the outpu
On Sunday 15 October 2006 18:18, Bill Moran wrote:
> Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm trying to install mod_php on an existing apache13 server.
> >
> > The original config documentation requires that this entry be added to
&g
as it installed. Nor is there any
mention of libphp4.so in pkg-plist (or anywhere, as far as I can tell).
So ... now the question
How do I get mod_php working again? (with Apache13)
Thanks,
Lane
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On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 04:15:47PM -0700, pete wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hmm, so there is no way to run the app's which are not 64bit clean in
> 32bit mode in your environment?
I did test one of them. It works, but I don't have time to
mess with all of them, and finding the 32-bit libra
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 03:06:46PM -0700, pete wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did you try to build/install a 32bit version of VNC?
Thanks for the suggestion.
I thought about doing that, but there is still other essential
software that is not 64-bit clean and our entire group needs this
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