[h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

Fran wrote: "The whole modern wearable art movement is an outgrowth of DIY hippie crafts. I'm hoping to see the DIY aspects, the loving-hands-at-home experiments, revived as a foundation for a new generation of fiber artists." I reply: Huh. My first encounters with fiber-arts came with my grandm

Re: [h-cost] One last important message

Penny, Both CMU and PITT, in Pittsburgh, PA have also made the same offer. BOth have Theatre departments. Wendy Proud grad of the PITT theatre program -Original Message- From: Penny Ladnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sep 3, 2005 12:04 AM To: h-costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [h-cost]

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

When did "off the rack" clothes become THE WAY to go, as opposed to just being what people who couldn't afford to have clothes made for them wore? Probably as soon as they became plentiful and cheap. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com

[h-cost] collages and hurricane relief

Another generous offer: http://www.mercyhurst.edu/ne/college_news_detail.php?id=777&m=9&y=2005 although I'm confused as to whether the tri-state area they are referring to is the tri-state area around Erie or the tri-state area hit by the hurricane. Janet __

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: When did "off the rack" clothes become THE WAY to go, as opposed to just being what people who couldn't afford to have clothes made for them wore? Probably as soon as they became plentiful and cheap. Store bought clothing and household goods became a sign of

Re: [h-cost] collages and hurricane relief

There are many colleges and universities offering to accept students from hurricane areas, so unless people are talking about schools with a costume/theatre/textile program, I don't think they all need to be sent to the list. -Carol ___ h-c

[h-cost] Bjarne

I know this isn't costume related and I am not one of the popular people on this list, but I just couldn't keep quiet. The message Bjarne sent sounded like he was more surprised than critical, and give the guy credit - he writes better English than most of us do Danish.

[h-cost] Eras and places (was hippies)

Carolyn said, Berkeley, CA, and the 1960s. You see aging Hippies, and ones whose parents were barely born in the 1960s, on the streets in Berkeley, CA, even today. I have an "ageing" hippie next door who just turned 40. :-) Do you think, though, that the hippie styles in Berkeley are o

Re: [h-cost] Bjarne

I second that and Thank You Lalah for wording it so much better than I would have/could have. I can NOT imagine Bjarne ever being rude and I realize we've never met nor probably ever will, but his whole demeanor online has always been respectful IMHO. Christine Gallucci Lalah <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [h-cost] Eras and places (was hippies)

On the topic of the south and hoop skirts Were the hoop skirts popular later in the south then the north? I mean, our (ok, mine and I am a typical yankee) picture of "THE SOUTH" is alweays with ladies in hoops, but I would assume that the north had just as many ladies wearing hoops at the

RE: [h-cost] Eras and places (was hippies)

I did some extensive research on mid-19th century skirt supports (corded petticoats, cage and covered crinolines, etc.) for a presentation last year. Based on manufacturing and sales records, crinolines were widely available and worn anywhere in the country, including the far west. This is amply su

Re: [h-cost] Eras and places (was hippies)

Jordana said, On the topic of the south and hoop skirts Were the hoop skirts popular later in the south then the north? I mean, our (ok, mine and I am a typical yankee) picture of "THE SOUTH" is alweays with ladies in hoops, but I would assume that the north had just as many ladies weari

[h-cost] regional crinoline fashions

I disagree. For every extant pastel colored ballgown *documented* to the South, I can show you one documented to the North, or the Midwest, or the West, or Canada, or Europe. And I can do the same for every "buttoned up" dress documented to the North or any other region of the country. There are so

Re: [h-cost] collages and hurricane relief

Oregon State University is also taking in hurricane displaced students. We have both a theater and textiles program. It's a great place to live, but I'm tremendously biased. :D Althea ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://m

Re: [h-cost] collages and hurricane relief

The University of Tennessee is as well -- and they also have a theatre Department. In fact, as of Tuesday, my department will have a Tulane grad Student for at least the semester. Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology ht

Re: [h-cost] Bjarne

May I echo Chris and Lalah, and further suggest (in the great American tradition of free speech) that anyone who has shared hundreds of pieces of useful costume information and dozens of beautiful and inspiring pictures of finished costumes and works-in-progress can be considered to have earned

Re: [h-cost] Bjarne

Quoting Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I second that and Thank You Lalah for wording it so much better than I would have/could have. I can NOT imagine Bjarne ever being rude and I realize we've never met nor probably ever will, but his whole demeanor online has always been respectful IMHO. I

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

Off-the-rack clothes became THE WAY to go in the 1920s. Problem was, during the depression of the 1930s and the war rationing and shortages of the 1940s, a great many people had to home sew, restyle clothing, and think up ways to use things like flour sacks just to get something to wear. Whil

Re: [h-cost] regional crinoline fashions

I was looking at the way certain eras of fashion are associated with an area, which is different than what people were actually wearing. It's not the reality, it's what we perceive based on movies, popular culture, etc. Hippies were everywhere, but now identified with Berkeley. B

[h-cost] belted houppelandes

Could someone walk me through the process of belting a houppelande just below the bustline? How did they keep the belts there, without having it "walk" itself down to the natural waistline? Was it tacked in places, and if so, wouldn't that interfere with the drape? And how were they fastened

Re: [h-cost] belted houppelandes

Kathryn Parke wrote: Could someone walk me through the process of belting a houppelande just below the bustline? How did they keep the belts there, without > having it "walk"itself down to the natural waistline? Was it tacked > in places, and if so, wouldn't that interfere with the drape? And

[h-cost] making vs buying clothes

Fran wrote, 1950s dressmaking manuals told women they could make clothes that would look just like RTW, so they didn't have to admit they home sewed. I worked in a clothing store in the early 1980s (got to look at a lot of ready-made), and also took sewing/tailoring/design classes in c

Re: [h-cost] regional crinoline fashions

BTW, my husband's answer to the question "What did hippies wear?" is "dense clouds of smoke." Fran Carol Kocian wrote: I was looking at the way certain eras of fashion are associated with an area, which is different than what people were actually wearing. It's not the reality, it's

Re: [h-cost] New to me Eleonora of Toledo

> > Sorry for the cross post. > > I was looking for a copy of the Wedding at Cana by Allesandro Allori to > look > at Catherine de Medici's dress and found this instead. Ever since I made > my > first "Eleonora" dress from Janet Arnold's book I have found her > fascinating. I know the above URL i

[h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

Hi H-Costume, You may remember a few months back that I was in pursuit of a legendary statement about how ugly real medieval clothes were said to be by folks teaching early SCAers how to dress. The East Kingdom Historian was kind enough to give me a copy of: * "A Handbook

Re: [h-cost] Good News/Storm updates

Jodi, Thank you for your help. This has been a sad, sad, situation. But good things are occurring daily. You might want to contact your local Red Cross. They are coordinating the people moving into other areas of the country. I talked with the chair of our local chapter and he said they

Re: [h-cost] Good News/Storm updates

I am sorry, I thought I had sent that off-list. My apologies. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com ___ h-costume mailing list h

RE: [h-cost] collages and hurricane relief

Well to cover my posting of Univ. of MO. Univ. of MO, Columbia has a textile college (Human Environment Sciences) and a theatre college. Stephens College near by which has a major enrollment and focus with costuming and textiles may join the ranks of assistance to students. De -Original Messag

Re: [h-cost] making vs buying clothes

I missed the first post. What is RTW??? I used to never buy any clothing because I would always think..."I can make that." But of course I rarely got around to it. Then another sewing friend of mine set me straight. "Never make anything you can buy-only make those things that you can't buy

[h-cost] Woven a disposition? was: regional crinoline fashions

What does this mean? Sg One of the most stunning original dresses I've seen is in the collection of the Cincinnati Art Museum: a bright sapphire blue silk taffeta woven a disposition, originally from Gettysburg, PA ___ h-costume mailing list h-cos

RE: [h-cost] New to me Eleonora of Toledo

http://www.hermitagemuseum.org click on English go to quick search and type in A.Alessandro, click on go scroll down to the paintings, click on "next 5-16 matches" click on "next 17 - 28 matches". scroll down to #25 You probably have seen this. Someone has it on their website. Eleanor has a high

RE: [h-cost] New to me Eleonora of Toledo

I'm not sure what happened but the number switched. It is now #22. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

Re: [h-cost] belted houppelandes

At 9:54 AM -0700 9/3/05, Kathryn Parke wrote: Could someone walk me through the process of belting a houppelande just below the bustline? How did they keep the belts there, without having it "walk" itself down to the natural waistline? Was it tacked in places, and if so, wouldn't that interfe

RE: [h-cost] New to me Eleonora of Toledo

Pardon me if this looks patronizing. It isn't. I am putting these down as I try it out, hoping it works. I should have done it this way in the first place instead of plastering that ridiculous URL in my message (it was late - hangs head) Go to http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/index.html g

RE: [h-cost] Woven a disposition?

Fabrics that are woven or printed "a disposition" are designed for a particular use or particular area in a garment, frequently along one edge of a flounce. (Our modern border prints are a distant cousin.) They were particularly popular during the mid-late 1850s, when the technology was at its peak

RE: [h-cost] regional crinoline fashions

My apologies - I misunderstood what you were saying. :-) Carolann Schmitt On Behalf Of Carol Kocian I was looking at the way certain eras of fashion are associated with an area, which is different than what people were actually wearing. It's not the reality, it's what we perceive ba

Re: [h-cost] making vs buying clothes

I'm wondering, though, if anyone on h-costume is making RTW clothes for the boho market, perhaps selling on eBay? I'd think tiered crushed velvet gypsy skirts and tunics with bell sleeves might sell well this fall and winter. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com This is also

[h-cost] Good News/Storm updates

Penny, I am so glad to hear of the wonderful progress being made in the areas your family is near. I cried as I read each post and showed my DH the photos you shared. I am still offering any help you feel is needed for your family personally, as I have donated for the general relief.A local qu

Re: [h-cost] making vs buying clothes

Lavolta Press wrote: I'm wondering, though, if anyone on h-costume is making RTW clothes for the boho market, perhaps selling on eBay? I'd think tiered crushed velvet gypsy skirts and tunics with bell sleeves might sell well this fall and winter. I can't compete with China, unfortunately.

Re: [h-cost] making vs buying clothes

RTW=Ready-to-wear. I've pretty much quit making modern fashion clothes. My motto is, as well as making what I can't buy, to only buy things that I find interesting, as a process, to make. So I do almost exclusively historic clothes now . . . and, since I'm short, a lot of alterations of mode

Re: [h-cost] Woven a disposition? was: regional crinoline fashions

A disposition means with a pattern printed or woven in, to be arranged a certain way when making the garment. For example, you can get modern "border" fabrics, with a special border intended to be used at the bottom of a skirt. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com WickedFrau wrote

Re: [h-cost] making vs buying clothes

It can be really amazing. I've been buying cotton gauze skirts from a Thai seller whose eBay ID is aonneo. He (or she? I can't figure out the gender from the name) sells them for as low as $8 apiece, never more than $15. It depends on the skirt style and how well the auctions are going. Shi

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

As far as I know, there were not any "texts available for more accurate patterns" despite what the writer had said -- at least, not by our 21st century standards -- but if some of you who were doing historical sewing in the 60s knew of any, please do post! Hill and Bucknell's The Evolution o

Re: [h-cost] Eras and places (was hippies)

Kayta said, Berkeley, CA, and the 1960s. You see aging Hippies, and ones whose parents were barely born in the 1960s, on the streets in Berkeley, CA, even today. I have an "ageing" hippie next door who just turned 40. :-) Do you think, though, that the hippie styles in Berkeley are o

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

1950s dressmaking manuals told women they could make clothes that would look just like RTW, so they didn't have to admit they home sewed. It was a big day in my brother's life when he stopped letting my mother sew his shirts for him. That was about 1964. Then, in the late 1960s and early 1

RE: [h-cost] Eras and places (was hippies)

I did some extensive research on mid-19th century skirt supports (corded petticoats, cage and covered crinolines, etc.) for a presentation last year. Based on manufacturing and sales records, crinolines were widely available and worn anywhere in the country, including the far west. This is amply

Re: [h-cost] colleges and hurricane relief

Carol, I am compiling a listing of college with theater and fashion related that are accepting students. I am looking for the schools to fill in specific information that a student would need to know. I will be posting the listing to my site early in the week. I am asking each school listin

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

My grandmother used to make hippie crocheted vests and such for my cousin Donna (who is some years older than I am). Donna was obsessed with clothes, but never sewed (her mother made all her enormous wardrobe) or crocheted (my grandmother did that). Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.

Re: [h-cost] making vs buying clothes

Read To Wear. I make a lot of my own clothes. In fact I'm getting to make a wiggle dress. A lot of people in the goth and FrUiTs movement do their own clothes. DIY clothing is really making a heavy duty stand. I just wrote a really short blurb on it for my own zine I produce. Bice On 9/3/05, W

Re: [h-cost] belted houppelandes

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Kathryn Parke wrote: > Could someone walk me through the process of belting a houppelande > just below the bustline? How did they keep the belts there, without > having it "walk" itself down to the natural waistline? In addition to the good advice already given, I've found i

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

Norris's books were all under heavy pirated/photocopy circulation in the SCA for many years. Norah Waugh's books "start" a bit past SCA period but were all originally published from the mid 1960s to 1970. Janet Arnold's _/Patterns of Fashion 1: Englishwomen's Dresses and Their Construction 1660

Re: [h-cost] Eras and places (was hippies)

Perhaps we have Scarlett O'Hara to thank for the hoopskirts, especially the barer evening dress worn at the picnic. :-) If you mean that ruffly short-sleeved white dress, I found the historical image they must have taken that costume from. It was one of the hardest things I ever did, s

RE: [h-cost] Woven a disposition?

Fabrics that are woven or printed "a disposition" are designed for a particular use or particular area in a garment, frequently along one edge of a flounce. (Our modern border prints are a distant cousin.) They were particularly popular during the mid-late 1850s, when the technology was at its p

Re: [h-cost] making vs buying clothes

BUT, those are all thin cotton skirts . . . and I'm looking for velvet for fall/winter. Does it make sense to layer one of these over what would amount to a petticoat underneath? The underskirt would keep you warm and the over skirt would look nice for both of them. I'm not usually a skirt

[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 4, Issue 564

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Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

Ren. Faires started in the early 1960s, and their founder coined the term "living history". Wasn't there some early connection with the SCA? Still, there was a lot of DIY, which I don't think I'm seeing currently as a mainstream movement. "Wearable art", while not being exactly mains

Re: [h-cost] making vs buying clothes

I've been thinking about layering the cotton ones, yes. Although, as you guessed, I live in northern CA--San Francisco. I believe it's been established that it was not Mark Twain who said that "the coldest winter he ever spent was a summer in San Francisco," _somebody_ clearly did. Fran Lav

Re: [h-cost] making vs buying clothes

http://snipurl.com/hf4r $8. You couldn't buy the fabric for that little, never mind the work involved. http://snipurl.com/hf4t $24. Still a steal. Dawn Lavolta Press wrote: BUT, those are all thin cotton skirts . . . and I'm looking for velvet for fall/winter. Fran Lavolta Press http

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

I would agree. Define wearable art. The DIY movement is VERY strong and VERY mainstream. In particular among teenage girls. Just take a look at Etsy and you'll see the demographics. http://www.etsy.com/ The most popular thing to make right now in the "reconstruct" part of DIY is t-shirts recouns

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

Lavolta Press wrote: Whatever you think of the "authenticity" of these books, their intention is more "serious" than a brochure on constructing a beginning T-tunic just to look acceptable at events. Right you are. Thank you! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath

Re: [h-cost] making vs buying clothes

If you see any velvet gypsy skirts (unworn, new) that are earthtones rather than jewel tones, lemme know. I agree about the price competition, but if it were something of higher quality (cotton velvet instead of rayon, or rayon/silk devore velvet), or different (interesting design and/or trimm

Re: [h-cost] Bjarne

While I know we were glad to get updates on people personally known on the Gulf Coast, I think this exchange just proves that politics doesn't belong on this list. We went through this before, and it got kind of nasty. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailin

Re: [h-cost] regional crinoline fashions

In a message dated 9/3/2005 2:15:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm imagining a "what city is this" sort of thing based on the historic costume icons. One of my most vivid memories of Mobile, Alabama, is the Azalea Trail Maids, who wore "ante-bellum" gone wild

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

It's pretty easy to put lace-up trimming down the front of a tank top. BTW, that was a "hippie" style too. It's certainly heavily done in ready-to-wear for the American "junior" market. In shopping malls and online catalogs, I've seen a lot of ready-to-wear "decorated" T shirts and tank tops

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

I'm unsure if you've seen the corset t-shirts but what they are is essentially the body of the t-shirt intact with pieces of fabric added either on the front or back with grommets in. Then you lace just like a corset. Some are really wild others are the basic style. Also the old "add a skirt to

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

Ren. Faires started in the early 1960s, and their founder coined the term "living history". Wasn't there some early connection with the SCA? Not really. The same kind of people joined each one, but there wasn't as much crossover as you might think. There's still some awkwardness to this

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

I'd agree with your definition, except that I associate the term "fiber art" with textile arts other than sewing. Whereas, to me "wearable art" covers sewing, weaving, spinning, knitting, crochet, embroidery, the whole spectrum. Oh, except a hanging or sculpture is fiber art, but not wearable.

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

I'm guessing you've never encountered the "perky goth" subset of goth then. A google search should give you more than a few areas to look. As for the Lolita's looking innocent and sweet that's the whole idea. Sweet evil and innocent *looking*. Then you have the harajuku girls of Gwen Stefani fam

RE: [h-cost] New to me Eleonora of Toledo

> > http://www.hermitagemuseum.org > > click on English > go to quick search and type in A.Alessandro, click on go > scroll down to the paintings, click on "next 5-16 matches" > click on "next 17 - 28 matches". > scroll down to #25 > You probably have seen this. Someone has it on their website. >

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

I'd agree with your definition, except that I associate the term "fiber art" with textile arts other than sewing. I call it art using fiber as the medium, wearable or not. This includes the hanging textile sculptures, wall pieces, and some garments. Whereas, to me "wearable art" covers sew

RE: [h-cost] New to me Eleonora of Toledo

It does look very different from the portraits that we are used to from Bronzino. The hairstyle is so tight to the head. I just put it down to the difference in artist's eyes. Also, I thought that the eyes of the girl did look much like those I'm familiar with. I can't wait to get my hands on a

Re: [h-cost] New to me Eleonora of Toledo

- Original Message - From: "Wanda Pease" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] New to me Eleonora of Toledo Pardon me if this looks patronizing. It isn't. I am putting these down as I try it

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

BTW, some jewelry is like wearable sculpture, and is made of metal, stone, etc. True, and there is also fiber jewelry. I would call that wearable art too. Then there are cross-over folks like Arlene Fisch who, in the 1970s, was making knitted silver wire jewelry. And the chain-mail-b

RE: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

I missed the first part of this thread but this caught my eye. In saying "Renaissance Faires, BTW, are another outgrowth of the "hippie" movement. Fran" I come to understand that you may be saying that SCA came out of the "hippie" movement. If I am understanding correctly, I would like to say tha

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

I would call that wearable art too. Then there are cross-over folks like Arlene Fisch who, in the 1970s, was making knitted silver wire jewelry. And the chain-mail-bikini crowd - wearable, but is it art? Dunno. There's a sense in which, the first time someone makes it, it's art; but if

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

I come to understand that you may be saying that SCA came out of the "hippie" movement. If I am understanding correctly, I would like to say that SCA was not an outgrowth of the hippie movement, it grew from a history club at Berkley. I thought the fantasy author Marion Zimmer Bradley was su

RE: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

The West Kingdom has a history page up. This link will take you to the origins of the SCA. http://history.westkingdom.org/Year0/index.htm There are numerous photos and such of the early days of the SCA available in some of the sections for looking at. I browse this page every once in a while. Jen

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

I thought the fantasy author Marion Zimmer Bradley was supposed to have started it. She was part of it. The first SCA event was a goodbye party for someone going off to the Peace Corps(?), in Diana Listmaker's (Paxson, I think) back yard. A few months later MZB came up with the name when a

Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes

Good question. This brings to mind the question of whether or not a recreation of, say, a Worth gown is art. Certainly it was art the first time, but is what we're doing also art? I'm not sure it was even art the first time. Worth actually had a fairly large concern and churned out numb

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

It's a very counterculture idea for the mid 1960s. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Cynthia Virtue wrote: I thought the fantasy author Marion Zimmer Bradley was supposed to have started it. She was part of it. The first SCA event was a goodbye party for someone going off t

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

Greetings-- I come to understand that you may be saying that SCA came out of the "hippie" movement. If I am understanding correctly, I would like to say that SCA was not an outgrowth of the hippie movement, it grew from a history club at Berkley. I thought the fantasy author Marion Zimmer Br

[h-cost] I don't know art but I know what I like

And the chain-mail-bikini crowd - wearable, but is it art? I was an early adaptor - does mine get to be art? I think the idea of a chainmail bikini was around for a bit before somebody decided to try making one. So there's a crowd now? My invitation must have gotten lost. :-(

RE: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

Is the West Kingdom History website available for general viewing? Anyone have the address? Anne the method, the pictures I've seen from those times (mostly courtesy of the West Kingdom History Project website) are charming and medieval-looking. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Ch

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

On Sep 3, 2005, at 7:06 PM, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: It's my understanding that a little of each of these last two are true. (As for the hippie connection, there's often an assumption that anyone at Berkley in the late 60s must have been a hippie, but that's not necessarily true. I susp

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

Absolutely. But the San Franciso Bay Area really was different from much of the rest of the country. Many people considered to be "straight" there in the 1960s would have been considered hippies, and/or flaming political radicals, in much of the rest of the US. In much of the rest of the US,

RE: [h-cost] New to me Eleonora of Toledo

> It does look very different from the portraits that we are used to from > Bronzino. The hairstyle is so tight to the head. I just put it down to > the > difference in artist's eyes. Also, I thought that the eyes of the girl > did > look much like those I'm familiar with. > > I can't wait to g

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

It's my understanding that a little of each of these last two are true. (As for the hippie connection, there's often an assumption that anyone at Berkley in the late 60s must have been a hippie, but that's not necessarily true. I suspect that hippie-ness, like most things, existed on a spec

Re: [h-cost] I don't know art but I know what I like

The wearing of a costume, attitude, posture and staying in character, is a performance art in itself. I totally forgot about performance art. Here is another thought - if the outfit is upper class, in beautiful silk with the perfect trimming, people will say "art". What about the perfe

Re: [h-cost] I don't know art but I know what I like

Yes, I'd say pattern drafting, enlarging and altering a pattern to fit, and designing are three (actually four) different tasks. In my opinion, it's already designed, just needs to be researched and put together with the appropriate accessories. But some people consider patternmaking

Re: [h-cost] I don't know art but I know what I like

If it's in an art museum then somebody must think it's art... I think clothes of the past are regarded even by art museums as cultural and historical artifacts (as well as, or instead of being art). They are not necessarily chosen by the same criteria as modern artifacts. Many art

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

'Sideless cotehardie' comes from Milia Davenport's book. Noticed the error right before I bought the book, because it is still one of the few books with that many contemporary-to-the-style pictures available. And at least some of the early fifteenth century pictures are from re-drawings, but yo

RE: [h-cost] I don't know art but I know what I like

-Original Message- >And the chain-mail-bikini crowd - wearable, but is it art? -Carol Comment: Sorry to bring up SCA again but this reminded me of SCA in the early eighties when from time to time a woman showed up in a chainmail bikini and called herself a barbarian. Most wer

Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing

"Anne Moeller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Is the West Kingdom History website available for general viewing? > Anyone have the address? Well, is a decent place to start... For those not keeping score, the SCA is possibly the longest-running costume party in