Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
>
> > >It sounds almost like you want a "minimal set" of enumerated binaries and
> > >functions, and then Oxygen would add set X and Dachstein would add set Y.
> >
> > Nope. No. Nein. Niet. Non. :-)
> >
> > There is NO baseline.
> >
> > There is one standard: the form
> >It sounds almost like you want a "minimal set" of enumerated binaries and
> >functions, and then Oxygen would add set X and Dachstein would add set Y.
>
> Nope. No. Nein. Niet. Non. :-)
>
> There is NO baseline.
>
> There is one standard: the formation of a package.
>
> The final decision on a
> Adding water to a boiling and already full kettle...
>
> Why can't we use a concept similar to this:
>
>
> vfat is used
>
>
> Package name: pppd-2.1.4
> Package files: pppd-2.1.4-bin.lrp, pppd-2.1.4-conf.lrp
>
> pppd-bin.lrp contains all necessary binaries and 'non-editable' scripts,
> pppd-co
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To: LEAF Development
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
On 2/28/02 at 4:24 PM, Serge Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For example, LEAF/LRP has in its unwritten feature set
> that users must log in. I have on o
On 2/28/02 at 4:24 PM, Serge Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For example, LEAF/LRP has in its unwritten feature set
> that users must log in. I have on occasions removed
> tinylogin and replaced the getty lines in
> /etc/inittab with /bin/ash < /dev/ttyn > /dev/ttyn 2>&1.
This is similar to w
On 2/27/02 at 4:28 PM, Serge Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello David,
Hello!
> You are working under the premise that a file has one and
> only one package of residence. Please note that this is an
> observation and not a value judgment of any kind: AFAIK,
> there is nothing wrong with t
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: February 23, 2002 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
[out of sequence :)]
>
>> Clearly, LEAF is designed to allow packages to overwite each other's
>files.
>
>Not designed to. It&
On 2/23/02 at 11:52 AM, Serge Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In all kindness, please use the setup that is most
> confortable for you. As soon as you move "./" out of the
> RAM disk, you get all kinds of benefits.
However even with the original idea, root.lrp was NOT supposed to
change.
I was thinking...
If you make root.list contain specific files, and "move" the
specification of "./" to another package, that raises some interesting
things What if instead of gloming onto home.lrp, you create
overflow.lrp or default.lrp?
One nice benefit would be that if that package grows
On 2/19/02 at 2:25 PM, Charles Steinkuehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Actually, while I haven't been real involved in the
> disucssions here lately, I have been doing a bit of LEAF
> oriented work. I've been investigating the Gentoo ebuild
> process, and checking out some potential scripting
On 2/19/02 at 6:25 AM, Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> At 2002-02-18 23:31 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
> David,
> This would be great. We definitely need a way to test
> packages against current releases/branches. Will
> redirection to file of output created by the package test
> run be
Serge Caron wrote:
>
[ snip ]
> In the long term, I want to be able to run from "secure media". In the short
> term, I use CD for write protected storage and floppy for write-enabled
> storage (wich I write-protect between sessions :). Suppose a package
> designer stores something in /etc/mypa
Serge Caron wrote:
>
> I apolologize for leaving in the middle of an important conversation.
> Unfortunately, this will happen from time to time. Life gets in the way :-)
I, too, have been erstwhile distracted and now is not the best time to
take on all detractors.
It is disconcerting when one
-Original Message-
From: Charles Steinkuehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Serge Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: February 19, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
>It's the falling off an
> I apolologize for leaving in the middle of an important conversation.
> Unfortunately, this will happen from time to time. Life gets in the way
:-)
Leaving in the middle? I never even got involved :<
Hopefully it's not too late to start jumping in...
> My personal experience is that you ride
At 2002-02-18 23:31 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
>Well, that's not quite what I had in mind. For me, I was thinking
>more along the lines of:
>
>A distribution developer perhaps runs a script, writes some shell
>code, etc. - and creates a "package" (or shell script, really) which
>tests for vario
On 2/17/02 at 5:52 AM, Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> At 2002-02-16 21:31 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
> >I was thinking one would run this script in a LEAF
> >environment - and it would be set up by a developer, who
> >defines what is needed. Then you could boot Oxygen (or
> >PacketFil
At 2002-02-16 21:31 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
>I was thinking one would run this script in a LEAF environment - and
>it would be set up by a developer, who defines what is needed. Then
>you could boot Oxygen (or PacketFilter, or...) and run this script
>which tests the environment.
David,
Exa
On 2/16/02 at 6:20 AM, Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> At 2002-02-16 05:42 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote:
> >At 2002-02-16 07:25 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
> >>On 2/15/02 at 10:15 PM, David Douthitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Perhaps what we NEED is a test suite - a sort of
> >> >
> It's a sort of controlled chaos that benefits all. Developers are able to
> share and propose ideas. Look at each others code. Lead developers no
> longer have to write all of their documentation, maintain web sites, or
> answer all of their own support requests. Users are able browse a single
>
David,
I should know better than to post this early in the morning. I didn't
express myself well. See in-line comments below for an explanation. Sorry. :-(
At 2002-02-16 05:42 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote:
>At 2002-02-16 07:25 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
>>On 2/15/02 at 10:15 PM, David Douthitt <[EM
At 2002-02-16 07:25 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
>On 2/15/02 at 10:15 PM, David Douthitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps what we NEED is a test suite - a sort of
> > minimalist "autoconf" which details what works and what
> > doesn't...
>
>Like this:
>
>Checking for busybox date no
>C
On 2/15/02 at 10:15 PM, David Douthitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps what we NEED is a test suite - a sort of
> minimalist "autoconf" which details what works and what
> doesn't...
Like this:
Checking for busybox date no
Checking for busybox install no
Checking for ip... yes
Chec
On 2/15/02 at 9:58 AM, Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Douthitt wrote:
> >
> > On 2/14/02 at 4:36 PM, Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > For example, /var/log is the standard residence of logfiles.
> >
> > Is it? Only in Linux apparently; my Unixware
Serge Caron wrote:
>
> Hello Matt,
>
> First, the important stuff:
>
> >or any of us lacked passion. That's kind of insulting. And what
>
> Please accept a direct apology from me to you for no other reason than the
> fact that your feelings were hurt.
No problem, my feelings weren't hurt.
At 2002-02-15 15:34 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote:
>That doesn't work. This place is just a central location
>for people to congregate. I don't think it's a top down,
>standards producing enumeration of anything. But that's
>just what I took from Mike Noyes's explanation of what
>LEAF was when I jo
"Michael D. Schleif" wrote:
>
> David Douthitt wrote:
[snip]
> > Not only is standardization impossible, but the little variances are
> > what makes a distribution individual and perhaps better than others.
>
> Nothing is impossible.
>
> In fact, your dependent clause, again, is my point! We
Serge Caron wrote:
>
[ snip ]
> I am waiting for a plane and cannot do that right now. I suggest you visit
> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/scaron/leaf.htm with a fresh eye and mess
> around with the discussion.img floppy.
>
> Please take apart root.lrp before you start (just for fun!). If
At 2002-02-15 09:58 -0600, Michael D. Schleif wrote:
>How many times need I state: ``NO, I am not advocating any system of
>commandments and laws, transgression of which invokes the ire of the
>greater community; rather, I believe that it is important -- no,
>critical -- that I, as LEAF user and,
David Douthitt wrote:
>
> On 2/14/02 at 4:36 PM, Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > For example, /var/log is the standard residence of logfiles.
>
> Is it? Only in Linux apparently; my Unixware and HP-UX systems use
> /var/adm/syslog.
I am sorry that you always miss my point
David Douthitt wrote:
>
> On 2/14/02 at 8:05 AM, Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I know that it is available; but, it is *not* included in
> > DCD -- is it included in Oxygen? I do not argue against
> > its usage; rather, I am often frustrated by lack of real
> > awk, sed a
Correction #2: my bad . . .
"Michael D. Schleif" wrote:
>
> Voilà!
>
> Serge Caron wrote:
> >
> > >Let me reduce my confusion to its firstmost problem: How does your sed
> > >process facilitate ``*I don't backup program binaries*''?
> > >
> > >AFAIK, ${pkg}.list files -- _minus_ ${pkg}.exclude
Correction: my bad . . .
"Michael D. Schleif" wrote:
>
> Voilà!
>
> Serge Caron wrote:
> >
> > >Let me reduce my confusion to its firstmost problem: How does your sed
> > >process facilitate ``*I don't backup program binaries*''?
> > >
> > >AFAIK, ${pkg}.list files -- _minus_ ${pkg}.exclude.li
I would just like to thank everyone for this discussion.
Due to limited examples and precise wording designed to
be clear (but somehow let most of the information vague),
I am finally coming into a more complete understanding
of what was originally proposed, and what direction some
developers wou
On 2/14/02 at 8:05 AM, Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know that it is available; but, it is *not* included in
> DCD -- is it included in Oxygen? I do not argue against
> its usage; rather, I am often frustrated by lack of real
> awk, sed and sort -- not to mention cmp and diff
On 2/14/02 at 4:28 PM, Serge Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:34:18 -0600
> >From: David Douthitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
> >To: LEAF Development <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On 2/14/02 at 3:34 PM, Serge Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Linux people are usually more intelligent than I am. Your
> sed mask allows for stuff like ...etc and ../../../etc and
> all kinds of ganes that I prefer not to play :). Following
> your intervention, the original sed command now rea
On 2/14/02 at 4:36 PM, Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For example, /var/log is the standard residence of logfiles.
Is it? Only in Linux apparently; my Unixware and HP-UX systems use
/var/adm/syslog.
> For example, the root directory (/) should be residence to
> directories *on
-Original Message-
From: Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Serge Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: February 14, 2002 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
>
>Voilà!
>
[snip]
>&
Hello again,
-Original Message-
From: Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Serge Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: February 14, 2002 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
>Neverthel
Voilà!
Serge Caron wrote:
>
> >Let me reduce my confusion to its firstmost problem: How does your sed
> >process facilitate ``*I don't backup program binaries*''?
> >
> >AFAIK, ${pkg}.list files -- _minus_ ${pkg}.exclude.list files -- define
> >which files comprise the ${pkg} package -- correct
Serge Caron wrote:
>
[ snip ]
> mds said:
> >By-the-by, this is considerably faster:
> >
> > sed -e "/^[./]*etc/d" ${pkg} > ${pkg}.light
>
> Linux people are usually more intelligent than I am. Your sed mask allows
> for stuff like ...etc and ../../../etc and all kinds of ganes that I prefer
Hello Michael,
>[ snip ]
>
>Let me reduce my confusion to its firstmost problem: How does your sed
>process facilitate ``*I don't backup program binaries*''?
>
>AFAIK, ${pkg}.list files -- _minus_ ${pkg}.exclude.list files -- define
>which files comprise the ${pkg} package -- correct?
>
>Once you
Serge Caron wrote:
>
> >This is where I get lost. When you said:
> >
> >``When I want to backup, I simply remove the write protect tab on the
> >floppy. I can assure you that it takes a lot of config data to fill
> >1.6Mb of compressed space.''
> >
> >I thought that you were backing up *only* c
Hello again,
>This is where I get lost. When you said:
>
>``When I want to backup, I simply remove the write protect tab on the
>floppy. I can assure you that it takes a lot of config data to fill
>1.6Mb of compressed space.''
>
>I thought that you were backing up *only* config data. How does y
Serge Caron wrote:
>
> Glad to be of service!
>
> >I am confused ;<
> >
> >[1] Shouldn't your sed process:
> >
> > sed -e "/^etc/d" -e "/^[/]etc/d" -e "/^[.][/]etc/d" \
> > ${pkg} > ${pkg}.light
> >
> >actually be this?
> >
> > sed -n "/^[./]*etc/p" ${pkg} > ${pkg}.light
>
> I am only concerne
Hello Michael,
Glad to be of service!
>I am confused ;<
>
>[1] Shouldn't your sed process:
>
> sed -e "/^etc/d" -e "/^[/]etc/d" -e "/^[.][/]etc/d" \
> ${pkg} > ${pkg}.light
>
>actually be this?
>
> sed -n "/^[./]*etc/p" ${pkg} > ${pkg}.light
>
I am only concerned with deleting lines that start
On 2/13/02 at 8:16 PM, Serge Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By formulating the concept of a default store and that of
> an exclusion list, here is _what_I_do_today_ : I boot from
> a CD which gives me all the storage I need for the job at
> hand. I define my default store to be on the _floppy
Serge Caron wrote:
>
[ snip ]
> By formulating the concept of a default store and that of an exclusion list,
> here is _what_I_do_today_ : I boot from a CD which gives me all the storage
> I need for the job at hand. I define my default store to be on the _floppy_.
> So far, so good? Then I ha
Serge Caron wrote:
>
> Hello Michael,
>
> God! its good to see words like passion in this otherwise hum-drum list.
>
> Not only am I not crititical of your position (I entirely support it!!!), I
> will repeat that you are free to answer (or not) at your convenience and on
> your terms.
>
> And
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