Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-09-02 Thread Day, Phil
o then prioritize what needs to be implemented then they do have a useful role to play. Phil From: Boris Pavlovic [mailto:bpavlo...@mirantis.com] Sent: 28 August 2014 23:13 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-09-01 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Aug 29, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Joe Gordon wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh >> mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com>> wrote: >> >>>I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to >>>clearly describe in the Wiki the process and work

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-31 Thread Dugger, Donald D
opment Mailing List Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On Aug 29, 2014 10:42 AM, "Dugger, Donald D" mailto:donald.d.dug...@intel.com>> wrote: > > Well, I think that there is a sign of a broken (or at least bent) process and > that's

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Joe Gordon
; > -Original Message- > From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:43 AM > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? > > On 08/29/2014 12:25 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Sorry folks, I just had a new daughter since Thursday so I'm on PTO until Monday, so thanks to the people who discussed about the blueprint I created and how we can avoid the problem raised by Don for Kilo. Answers inline. Le 29/08/2014 19:42, John Garbutt a écrit : I think this is now more

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread John Garbutt
efficient than long email threads, with slow replies. But I certainly want to respect everyones communication preferences. John > -Original Message- > From: John Garbutt [mailto:j...@johngarbutt.com] > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:35 AM > To: OpenStack Development Mailing

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Dugger, Donald D
gger "Censeo Toto nos in Kansa esse decisse." - D. Gale Ph: 303/443-3786 -Original Message- From: John Garbutt [mailto:j...@johngarbutt.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:35 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] I

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread John Garbutt
I think this is now more about code reviews, but this is important... On 29 August 2014 10:30, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:07:33AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: >> Joe Gordon wrote: >> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh >> > mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.co

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Kevin Benton
I think the point is that if there were discussions that lead to uncertainty about the split, they should have resulted in a - 1/-2 on the spec instead of letting it sit there. On Aug 29, 2014 9:46 AM, "Jay Pipes" wrote: > On 08/29/2014 12:25 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > >> On 28/08/14 17:02, Jay Pip

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Dugger, Donald D
014 10:43 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/29/2014 12:25 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > On 28/08/14 17:02, Jay Pipes wrote: >> I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from >> core

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Jay Pipes
On 08/29/2014 12:25 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 28/08/14 17:02, Jay Pipes wrote: I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from core team members may actually be a loud statement about where their priorities are. I don't know enough about the Nova review situation to say i

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Zane Bitter
On 28/08/14 17:02, Jay Pipes wrote: I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from core team members may actually be a loud statement about where their priorities are. I don't know enough about the Nova review situation to say if the process is broken or not. But I can s

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread John Garbutt
On 28 August 2014 21:58, Chris Friesen wrote: > On 08/28/2014 02:25 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: >> On 08/28/2014 04:05 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: >>> The overall "scheduler-lib" Blueprint is marked with a "high" priority >>> at "http://status.openstack.org/release/";. Hopefully that would apply >>> to sub

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread John Garbutt
Going a bit further up the thread where we are still talking about spec reviews and not code reviews... On 28 August 2014 21:42, Dugger, Donald D wrote: > I would contend that that right there is an indication that there's a problem > with the process. We got two nova-core reviewer sponsors, to

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:07:33AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Joe Gordon wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh > > mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com>> wrote: > > > >> I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to > >> clearly describe in the Wiki the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 04:27:59PM -0600, Chris Friesen wrote: > On 08/28/2014 04:01 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: > > > > > > > >On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh > >mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com>> wrote: > > > >I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to > >clea

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 03:44:25PM -0400, Jay Pipes wrote: > On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: > >I’ll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there is a > >problem here. For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler there is > >a crucial BP that needs to be implemen

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Joe Gordon wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh > mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com>> wrote: > >> I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to >> clearly describe in the Wiki the process and workflow for the BP >> approval process and build in this p

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: > On 08/28/2014 04:01 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh >> mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com>> wrote: >> >> I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to >> clearly descr

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Alan Kavanagh
] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/28/2014 04:01 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh > mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com>> wrote: > > I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Chris Friesen
On 08/28/2014 04:01 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh mailto:alan.kavan...@ericsson.com>> wrote: I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to clearly describe in the Wiki the process and workflow for the BP approval process and b

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Boris Pavlovic
ginal Message- >> From: Dugger, Donald D [mailto:donald.d.dug...@intel.com] >> Sent: August-28-14 10:43 PM >> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? >> >> I w

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Joe Gordon
Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? > > I would contend that that right there is an indication that there's a > problem with the process. You submit a BP and then you have no idea of > what is happen

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Alan Kavanagh
l.com] Sent: August-28-14 10:43 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? I would contend that that right there is an indication that there's a problem with the process. You submit a BP and then y

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Alan Kavanagh
: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/28/2014 03:02 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from > core team members may actually be a loud statement about where

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Alan Kavanagh
ties are. Best, -jay > I feel we need to change the process somehow. > > -- Don Dugger "Censeo Toto nos in Kansa esse decisse." - D. Gale Ph: > 303/443-3786 > > -Original Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Chris Friesen
On 08/28/2014 03:02 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from core team members may actually be a loud statement about where their priorities are. Or it could be that they haven't looked at it, aren't aware of it, or haven't been paying attenti

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Jay Pipes
in Kansa esse decisse." - D. Gale Ph: 303/443-3786 -Original Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:44 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugge

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Chris Friesen
On 08/28/2014 02:25 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/28/2014 04:05 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: On 08/28/2014 01:44 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I understand that reviews are a burden and very hard but it seems wrong that a BP with multiple positive reviews and

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Dugger, Donald D
6 -Original Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:44 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: > I'll try and not whine abou

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Jay Pipes
On 08/28/2014 04:05 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: On 08/28/2014 01:44 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I understand that reviews are a burden and very hard but it seems wrong that a BP with multiple positive reviews and no negative reviews is dropped because of

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Chris Friesen
On 08/28/2014 01:44 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I understand that reviews are a burden and very hard but it seems wrong that a BP with multiple positive reviews and no negative reviews is dropped because of what looks like indifference. I would posit

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Jay Pipes
On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: I’ll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there is a problem here. For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler there is a crucial BP that needs to be implemented ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89893/ ) and, unfortunately,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:04:57AM +, Dugger, Donald D wrote: > > I'll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there > > is a problem here. For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler > > there is a crucial BP th

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-08-28 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:04:57AM +, Dugger, Donald D wrote: > I'll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there > is a problem here. For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler > there is a crucial BP that needs to be implemented ( > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89893