Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-06 Thread John Sessoms
From: steve harley On 2011-06-05 20:43 , John Sessoms wrote: > I think you're confusing the FBI with the NSA. you're right, there's a big difference between a warrantless wiretap and a wiretap permitted under a warrant whose existence is top secret I was thinking more in terms of available r

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-06 Thread Ecke PDML
hey it is all in your own best interest... they're only infringing upon your freedom to preserve it =P 2011/6/6 steve harley : > On 2011-06-05 20:43 , John Sessoms wrote: >> >> I think you're confusing the FBI with the NSA. > > you're right, there's a big difference between a warrantless wiretap a

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-05 Thread steve harley
On 2011-06-05 20:43 , John Sessoms wrote: I think you're confusing the FBI with the NSA. you're right, there's a big difference between a warrantless wiretap and a wiretap permitted under a warrant whose existence is top secret -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/m

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-05 Thread John Sessoms
From: steve harley On 2011-06-03 11:11 , William Robb wrote: > There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police > were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, > and were able to do so wirelessly. > I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-05 Thread John Sessoms
From: William Robb On 03/06/2011 11:02 AM, John Francis wrote: > > > Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but > the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy > to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; > all the news reports I

RE: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-04 Thread Bob W
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > William Robb > > Sask Tel's GPS service can usually place my phone within 2200 meters of > where I actually am. Worst GPS service ever. sounds like the ideal service for al-Qaeda. It would also give the Americans the exc

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread Thibouille
Too bad there's no 3G module for getting maps at the same time ;) Well, seriously, the module does astrotracer with SR, simple navigation (without map) and electronic compass. 2011/6/4 David Savage : > That Astrotracer is useful for the star gazes, but it's of no use if > you're doing landscapes.

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread David Savage
That Astrotracer is useful for the star gazes, but it's of no use if you're doing landscapes. Cool use of the SR tech though. DS On 4 June 2011 14:37, Thibouille wrote: > DUnno if this has been posted yet. In japanese but pictures needs no > translation. > Most interesting are the 3 links Astro

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread Thibouille
DUnno if this has been posted yet. In japanese but pictures needs no translation. Most interesting are the 3 links Astrotracer etc near the bottom. http://www.pentax.jp/japan/products/o-gps1/ 2011/6/2 Bruce Walker : > Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... > > "Mounted o

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2011 6:26 PM, steve harley wrote: okay, if by "my people" you mean the US, you're right -- but the CIA is probably onto you for writing like me True story: I was sent to the local casino a few years back to photograph the interior of one of the (very large) rooms. There was som

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2011 6:11 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: You have roads up there? stan One of our main roads: http://www.pbase.com/klatuu/image/108149432 This one is in pretty good shape for around here: http://www.pbase.com/klatuu/image/112608619 -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PD

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread steve harley
On 2011-06-03 17:45 , William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 3:48 PM, steve harley wrote: that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you; doesn't matter what OS your phone runs I would hope that the FBI ha

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread Stan Halpin
On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:51 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 03/06/2011 5:42 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: >> however the GPS units in >> phone can be literally turned off > > Sask Tel's GPS service can usually place my phone within 2200 meters of where > I actually am. Worst GPS service ever. > When Tom and

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2011 5:42 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: however the GPS units in phone can be literally turned off Sask Tel's GPS service can usually place my phone within 2200 meters of where I actually am. Worst GPS service ever. When Tom and I were hanging out in Chicago last year, he would tell his An

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2011 3:48 PM, steve harley wrote: that's just conspiracy-mongering, but it doesn't mattery anyway: the FBI has access to everything, without a warrant or any notice to you; doesn't matter what OS your phone runs I would hope that the FBI has very little access to anything to do with

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2011 2:04 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where to route incoming calls. So it is absolutely the case that your phone company knows where you are and where you've be

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 June 2011 00:37, Mat Maessen wrote: > > Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the > applications on the phone know where you are. > >> My understanding is that it also sends this information back to Apple >> periodically. > > Incorrect. As others have already stated if th

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread steve harley
On 2011-06-03 11:02 , John Francis wrote: Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application doing ex

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread steve harley
On 2011-06-03 10:49 , John Francis wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:37:24AM -0400, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almo

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread steve harley
On 2011-06-03 11:11 , William Robb wrote: There was, when this topic was in the news, some concern that police were carrying devices that could download the contents of these devices, and were able to do so wirelessly. I don't know how much, if any, truth there is to this, but the thought of it i

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:04:45PM -0700, Tim Bray wrote: > Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to > another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where > to route incoming calls. But, again, only when I have the phone on. That's why it takes a mea

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread Tim Bray
Actually, every time you move from the footprint of one cell tower to another, the phone company *has* to know this, so they can know where to route incoming calls. So it is absolutely the case that your phone company knows where you are and where you've been. Here are a bunch of questions that I

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:27:58PM -0400, David Parsons wrote: > All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to > by the wireless provider. Do you really think that Verizon or AT&T > aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to, > and the time/date?

RE: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread Bob W
> > >It's the recording it to a database that I find unsavoury. > > > > it doesn't store the location of the phone, it caches the locations > > of cell towers and wifi signals; these are the data that make > > geolocation so much faster than with GPS alone > > > Sophistry. Apple might not store t

RE: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread Bob W
> > I played a bit with idea of geotagging. Obviously, like you say, > Paul, > > there are reasonably good programs for cell phones (Android and IOS > > alike) that do just that - record your coordinates ever so often in a > > file that can be later cross-referenced with the time the photograph > w

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread David Parsons
All cell phones can be traced to the cell towers that they connect to by the wireless provider. Do you really think that Verizon or AT&T aren't keeping records of which cell towers your phone is talking to, and the time/date? On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:02 PM, John Francis wrote: > On Fri, Jun 03,

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread Stan Halpin
On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:11 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 03/06/2011 11:02 AM, John Francis wrote: >> >> >> That's what people object to - unwittingly carrying a spy in their >> pocket. I wouldn't necessarily want my employer to know that I'd >> been on the same street (or even in the same town) as

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2011 11:02 AM, John Francis wrote: Sophistry. Apple might not store the location of the phone, but the phone did (together with a timestamp). It was trivially easy to show where the phone had been during the previous days or weeks; all the news reports I saw showed an application d

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:33:23AM -0600, steve harley wrote: > On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote: > >On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: > >>On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb > >>>Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording > >>>it's > >>>whereabou

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:37:24AM -0400, Mat Maessen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb > wrote: > > Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's > > whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous > > basis. > > Every

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread steve harley
On 2011-06-03 09:32 , William Robb wrote: On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread steve harley
On 2011-06-02 08:56 , Tim Bray wrote: The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera? i am; i hope the street price is half that (and i don't have an applicable camera yet), but being able to map photos

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 03/06/2011 8:37 AM, Mat Maessen wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb wrote: Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it d

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread David Savage
On 3 June 2011 22:37, Mat Maessen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb > wrote: >> Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's >> whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous >> basis. > > Every smartphone that has a

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread Mat Maessen
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, William Robb wrote: > Apparently, if you have an iPhone, it it almost constantly recording it's > whereabouts (and generally it's owner's whereabouts) on an almost continuous > basis. Every smartphone that has a GPS in it does this. It's how the applications on th

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-03 Thread William Robb
On 02/06/2011 10:22 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: I played a bit with idea of geotagging. Obviously, like you say, Paul, there are reasonably good programs for cell phones (Android and IOS alike) that do just that - record your coordinates ever so often in a file that can be later cross-referenced w

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 6/2/2011 18:36, Paul Stenquist wrote: It's a neat toy, but I'm not interested. I have no problem figuring out where I am when I take a photo. And if I ever do need that information, the nav system on my phone can provide it. Paul I played a bit with idea of geotagging. Obviously, like you sa

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread Jos from Holland
Waw, why not Pentax? This kind of features cost nothing, just a bit of software! Jos On 2-6-2011 21:19, Charles Robinson wrote: Yes, my little pocket Fuji F30 does this. I love it. If the photo is "DSCF0104.JPG" the audio file created on the card is "DSCF0104.WAV" - wonderful way to keep tra

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 2, 2011, at 14:01, Jos from Holland wrote: > At the moment I take a photo, I know where I am, but later I donot remember > the name of the street or the temple or what ever. > So I write down some info, sometimes. > But I would be s happy if I could switch on the mike on my K7 and add

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread Jos from Holland
At the moment I take a photo, I know where I am, but later I donot remember the name of the street or the temple or what ever. So I write down some info, sometimes. But I would be s happy if I could switch on the mike on my K7 and add some remarks. Why not a few kb of audio added to all the

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread John Sessoms
From: Paul Stenquist It's a neat toy, but I'm not interested. I have no problem figuring out where I am when I take a photo. And if I ever do need that information, the nav system on my phone can provide it. Paul It's not the problem with figuring out where I am when I'm taking photographs to

RE: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread SV Hovland
it easy to find the picture you are looking for. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 5:37 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D It&#x

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 07:56:21AM -0700, Tim Bray wrote: > The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how > many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera? I'm mildly interested, but probably not $250 interested at present. I'm more interested in it as

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
It's a neat toy, but I'm not interested. I have no problem figuring out where I am when I take a photo. And if I ever do need that information, the nav system on my phone can provide it. Paul On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how > many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera? I do, for $50. Not $250. Given that I can buy a GPS navigation device with maps of the entire United Sta

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread Tim Bray
The whole thing seems like it's addressing a very limited market; how many people here at PDML have any interest in a GPS on their camera? Also, I'd be suspicious how well it works. Good GPS functionality on something that's normally switched off is a hard problem. It's a little easier for phone

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread Thibouille
Yep, the K5 can be set to disable DFS. 2011/6/2 Rick Womer : > --- On Thu, 6/2/11, mike wilson wrote: > >> The astrotracer function is rather whizzy. >> >> "The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer >> function,* which works with the PENTAX  Shake Reduction >> (SR) system on selec

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread Rick Womer
--- On Thu, 6/2/11, mike wilson wrote: > The astrotracer function is rather whizzy. > > "The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer > function,* which works with the PENTAX  Shake Reduction > (SR) system on select cameras for tracking and photographing > celestial bodies. The unit

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-02 Thread David Mann
On Jun 2, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> "The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer function,* which >> works with the PENTAX Shake Reduction (SR) system on select cameras for >> tracking and photographing celestial bodies. The unit calculates the >> movement of stars,

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-01 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 1, 2011, at 9:54 PM, mike wilson wrote: > On 02/06/2011 01:59, Bruce Walker wrote: >> Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... >> >> "Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the >> O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and univers

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 6/2/2011 07:54, mike wilson wrote: The astrotracer function is rather whizzy. "The O-GPS1offers the advanced PENTAX original Astrotracer function,* which works with the PENTAX Shake Reduction (SR) system on select cameras for tracking and photographing celestial bodies. The unit calculates th

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-01 Thread mike wilson
On 02/06/2011 01:59, Bruce Walker wrote: Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... "Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated (UTC) of shooting locations with captured

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 6/2/2011 03:22, Rob Studdert wrote: Hmm, thanks, something I would like even at that price but really does it have to be quite this big? http://www.pentaximaging.com/images/temp/63442541041020616325727gpsmodule_genericdslr.jpg Grandiose, as in honking big... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-01 Thread drd1135
That's so the satellite can see it. -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 10:22:57 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D On 2 June 2011 09:

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2011 6:22 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Hmm, thanks, something I would like even at that price but really does it have to be quite this big? http://www.pentaximaging.com/images/temp/63442541041020616325727gpsmodule_genericdslr.jpg It's Pro hardware. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Disc

Re: Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-01 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 June 2011 09:59, Bruce Walker wrote: > Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... > > "Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 > unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated > (UTC) of shooting locations with

Pentax announces GPS for K-5, K-r & 645D

2011-06-01 Thread Bruce Walker
Well, well. They were clearly reading our little GPS thread ... "Mounted on the hot shoe of select PENTAX digital SLR cameras,* the O-GPS1 unit records latitude, longitude, altitude, and universal time coordinated (UTC) of shooting locations with captured images. Image files with this GPS data