November 08, 2009 9:35 PM
To: "WISPA General List"
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
> Let me ask you this though...
>
> Would you rather
>
> 1) Buy $5,000 worth of Canopy equipment per month at 25 installs per
> month (new $1,250 in revenue at $50/mth)
>
>
hard to track what is owed in Property Tax in accounting systems,
> because tracking for Income and financial statements might be different
> than
> needs of Property Tax, so I track my property for Property tax seperately
> in
> a spreadsheet. I wonder how larger companies deal wi
Tom, great post! My responses inline below with your replies truncated for
the clarity of this thread.
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> You only owe property tax on property that YOU own, until the time it is
> depreciated, and its paid the the State/County that the property
quot;RickG"
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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
> Tom,
>
> Your reply is the the info I was looking for. Thanks for your reply. I do
> believe you are correct but I'll double-check with my county a
em for me when I OVER PAID my PPtaxes, and
> the County actually owed me money. Just think how hard Tax Collectors will
> come after you if they learn you have not paid anything at all, and
> possibly
> guilty of Tax evading?
>
> If you haven;t paid to date, I wouldn;t recommend goi
uot;
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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
> Rick,
>
> No your assumption is not true.
>
> Property Tax is applied on "property". When you buy radio CPE it shows up
> on your financia
a method to track what
would be owed on an on going basis.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "RickG"
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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE -
Rick:
Maybe rural existence has its advantages; I've never been taxed by
the county on anything but towers. And I'm not asking any questions either!
Mike
At 09:58 PM 11/9/2009, you wrote:
>Also note that many leases pass the property taxes on to leasee, so you may
>not escape it that way eithe
Also note that many leases pass the property taxes on to leasee, so you may
not escape it that way either. But, that takes me to another question (more
likely for my CPA). Doesnt property taxes only apply to higher dollar items
that are usually on a depreciation scheule? In other words, if you are
It should be noted that if you buy CPE and keep ownership of CPE, you are
likely open to pay Property Tax on it. In MD that equates to about 3% x 4
years.
As well if you own it, it is not covered by the customer's home owner
insurance if stolen or damaged by weather or other acts of god. (Not th
eless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
>
> Normally, I'd choose door #2. In addition, the lease payment is full tax
> d
We own the CPE radio in 95% of our installs and the router in probably
80%. Nobody wants finger pointing when things stop working. If we think
it's the CPE causing an outage, we just replace it no questions asked,
no fussing over who's fault it or coordinating amongst the customer and
their hir
ss-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
Normally, I'd choose door #2. In addition, the lease payment is full tax
deduction. I like many aspects of leasin
That's correct.
marlon
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From: "RickG"
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
> Marlon,
>
> I'm assuming that since you have metered billing, you dont have to w
ees from people down the
road.
marlon
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From: "Mike"
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
> Huh? I do capitalize tower equipment; just NOT CPE.
>
> Mike
>
> At 08
.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - w
r deal and none would consider to pay $200+
> or so for install and cpe.
>
> /Eje
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> -Original Message-
> From: RickG
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:26:45
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
>
&
ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:16 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who bu
t;
>Regards,
>Chuck Hogg
>Shelby Broadband
>502-722-9292
>ch...@shelbybb.com
>http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Mike
>Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:
23:26:45
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
Mike, Fortunately our balance sheet looks awesome too. Let me ask the
question a different way: Do you think your company would be more attractive
to a buyer if the CPE was owned by the company?
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:15 PM,
I don't think so. I could come up with some sort of number for value
for CPE I suppose, but a buyer would look at tower assets, all mine,
radio equipment, all mine and cash flow. The pencil would dwell on
the cash flow.
For me, this is the best route. This IS my retirement, so I'm not
looki
Mike, Fortunately our balance sheet looks awesome too. Let me ask the
question a different way: Do you think your company would be more attractive
to a buyer if the CPE was owned by the company?
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Mike wrote:
> Oh heck no. My balance sheet looks awesome; no debt;
I'm not a CPA by any means but the moment CPE became available for less than
a couple hundred dollars, it made total sense to expense it. If I understand
correctly, for tax purposes, capitol equipment utilizing a depreciation
schedule was really meant for high dollar items that last years.
If I und
ss-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:57 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
>
> Do you feel it has a negative affect on your companies value if you dont
> own
> the CPE?
&
lby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:24 PM
> To: WISPA General
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> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
>
>
> > Only drawback I've seen to them buying it is that if you have
> confidential
> > configuration information in it, and the customer dem
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Oh heck no. My balance sheet looks awesome; no debt; positive cash
flow.
Mike
At 03:56 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote:
>Do you feel it has a negative affect on your companies value if you
dont own
>the CPE?
>
>On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:50
.
>marlon
>
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>From: "Mike"
>To: "WISPA General List"
>Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
>
>
> >I made a decision when I founded this company that I wouldn't keep
>
Oh heck no. My balance sheet looks awesome; no debt; positive cash flow.
Mike
At 03:56 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote:
>Do you feel it has a negative affect on your companies value if you dont own
>the CPE?
>
>On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Michael Baird wrote:
>
> > You don't have to pay property ta
Radio equipment is on an accelerated depreciation schedule. I don't
capitalize customer equipment; it's a cost for them to
"join." Instead, it's taxable for the state, and doesn't appear on
my books as equipment. It is NOT an expense for the company.
Unless you count my initial startup costs
November 08, 2009 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
>I made a decision when I founded this company that I wouldn't keep
> CPE on the books. I extract a capital fee on day one for the REAL
> cost of CPE and cabling, mount et al. I maintain ownership.
>
> It&
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
Do you feel it has a negative affect on your companies value if you dont
own
the CPE?
On
@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
I've always provided the CPE to the end user and retained ownership as
part
of the service. That was mostly due to the high cost of CPE in the
up!
marlon
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From: "Jayson Baker"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
> Only drawback I've seen to them buying it is that if you have confidential
> configuration in
he ones that want everything for nothing anyway.
marlon
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From: "RickG"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
> I've always provided the CPE to the end user and retained ownersh
Do you feel it has a negative affect on your companies value if you dont own
the CPE?
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Michael Baird wrote:
> You don't have to pay property tax on the CPE. You don't have to go pick
> up the device if the customer quits. You can charge the customer for
> replaceme
What do you mean you dont keep CPE on the books?
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Mike wrote:
> I made a decision when I founded this company that I wouldn't keep
> CPE on the books. I extract a capital fee on day one for the REAL
> cost of CPE and cabling, mount et al. I maintain ownership.
>
Those are my exact thoughts.
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Michael Baird wrote:
> You don't have to pay property tax on the CPE. You don't have to go pick
> up the device if the customer quits. You can charge the customer for
> replacement radios. You can offer a value add-on product such as m
;Thanks
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
>
> I've always provided
We sell the CPE and lock the customer out as a condition of it being
allowed on our network.
There is some interesting precedents where people purchased cable
modems and loaded their own config to get around speed limiting and
were then prosecuted for theft of service.
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:31
I made a decision when I founded this company that I wouldn't keep
CPE on the books. I extract a capital fee on day one for the REAL
cost of CPE and cabling, mount et al. I maintain ownership.
It's like joining a health club; you pay an initiation fee. When you
quit, you don't get to take th
You don't have to pay property tax on the CPE. You don't have to go pick
up the device if the customer quits. You can charge the customer for
replacement radios. You can offer a value add-on product such as modem
insurance.
Regards
Michael Baird
> I've always provided the CPE to the end user an
Hello,
Do not sell it to them, just charge a higher setup fee.
Thanks
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] CPE - who
Only drawback I've seen to them buying it is that if you have confidential
configuration information in it, and the customer demands access to it since
"they bought it"
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:24 PM, RickG wrote:
> I've always provided the CPE to the end user and retained ownership as part
> of
I've always provided the CPE to the end user and retained ownership as part
of the service. That was mostly due to the high cost of CPE in the past.
With the advent of lower CPE cost, I'm considering changing that to where
the customer buys their own CPE. I'd like to hear the pros and cons to this
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