[ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-08 Thread John W. Redelfs
I haven't received any mail from the list in two days. I didn't notice this until just now because other family members have been taking their turns at the computer. The Topica people say there is no problem at their end. Is it possible that AT&T Worldnet is screening out my Topica mail? Or

Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-08 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I think it's just been quiet. Everyone's still digesting turkey and cranberry sauce. "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > I haven't received any mail from the list in two days. I didn't notice > this until just now because other family members have been taking their > turns at the computer. The Topica pe

[ZION] Teaching Correct Principle

2002-12-08 Thread Gary Smith
John, You could never offend me. It takes someone like Stephen Beecroft to do that! ;-) Anyway, I think the problem lies in something that the sons of Mosiah teach us. We see Ammon and Aaron in Alma 17 set off to different parts amongst the Lamanites. Ammon finds Lamoni and offers to be a servant

[ZION] True Christians

2002-12-08 Thread Gary Smith
No, it isn't a straw man. It is exactly my point. Just where does a mortal being draw the line between what is a 'true' Christian and what isn't? Your definition keeps shifting on me. You said it was someone who fully followed Christ and his living prophets. Yet, King Benjamin told us that none of

[ZION] True Christian

2002-12-08 Thread Gary Smith
Are you referring to the LDS definition of hell, or the protestant version? Last I looked it up, there is a temporary hell in spirit prison, where sins not repented of will be paid for by the individual. DC 132 tells us that some celestial beings may even have to pay for some of their own sins in t

Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-08 Thread Harold Stuart
There hasn't been any traffic for the past two days. We're losing our touch... Harold // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// ///

RE: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-08 Thread Chet
I'd been just about to post a message with the Subject header of "Gun Control" just to get this list active again. John W. Redelfs wrote: > I haven't received any mail from the list in two days. I didn't notice > this until just now because other family members have been taking their > turns a

RE: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-08 Thread Chet
Harold Stuart wrote: > There hasn't been any traffic for the past two days. We're losing our > touch... Maybe you all are losing your touch; I'm merely losing my mind. *jeep! --Chet ("Where did you last see it, Chet?) "Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you

[ZION] Alvin and Chet

2002-12-08 Thread Gary Smith
You mean some kids have more than one copy of the Chipmunk Christmas song Why??? And wouldn't that warp them to the point where all they would want to do is play video games and listen to techno-rap all day long? Wait a minute! I think I'm seeing a correlation here K'aya K'ama, Gerald/g

[ZION] In SLC 12-18 Dec

2002-12-08 Thread Gary Smith
Heads up! I'll be in SLC for a week. I arrive late on 12 Dec and leave early on 18 Dec. If anyone wants to meet with me, leave me an email. I don't know how much email access I'll have, but I'll have some. Also, you will be able to reach me at my sister's house in West Valley (dude!) 969-7627. Sorr

[ZION] "heck" ain't cussin

2002-12-08 Thread Gary Smith
Most people don't understand well the doctrines of their church. That includes LDS members, though the active ones probably understand our basic tenets better than those of other churches. Most Trinitarians do not understand the Trinity well (most believe in modalism, a few even believe in the Godh

Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-08 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I was going to do you one better: "Canada invades Alaska with black helicopters that were hiding in the interior of British Columbia, confiscates all handguns and assault rifles, makes all doctors employees of the state, feeds Jonah Greenberg to the caribou, and then gives the state to Iraq for a C

Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I'm not losing my touch. I've been able to read braille just fine. Lol. Stacy. At 05:45 PM 12/08/2002 -0800, you wrote: There hasn't been any traffic for the past two days. We're losing our touch... Harold // ///