Re: (313) laura gavoor et al
I guess some of my writer/promotions background makes folks think that I'll always have something to say. And then there's the line of thinking that says, if it's already been said, if you have nothing new to contribute, keep your mouth shut. The other week I was at James Stinson's funeral (Drexciya) and now this. So I'm shell shocked. All of you have spoken well to her memory and I really don't think I have anything I can add that will do any more to communicate what a truly inspirational woman she was, faults and all. In fact, her faults were some of the things that endured me to her. Laura would say things that others might be thinking, but wouldn't. She once said something to me about a situation where she, in her words, put my foot in my mouth. I told her, Naw, everyone else was thinking it, you were just the only one who wasn't scared to open your mouth and be honest about how you felt. She was human. She was openly human. You didn't spend a lot of time trying to figure out, What does she mean? Good or bad, she'd let you know. So I came to respect this woman, long before I got to know her well enough to say that I truly loved her as a person. I called her, not too long ago, because I wanted to know how she was doing, what was going on with her. I'm thinking, it's so cool to be talking to this woman, not for business (though we HAD to talk about the business), but honestly, for the pleasure of it. And she thanked me. And I don't know how other folks interacted with her, but as much as I was inspired by her, she made me feel like I was doing something for her just by calling and BSing on the phone. And (and I know this will sound silly), that was my dance partner (yeah, I know, I'm not alone). I could count on her to not stand on the wall, no question. I am going to miss her on so many levels... _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: [313] surveillance recordings?
Actually, the second Surveillance seems to be a UK Surveillance that had their stuff mastered at NSC, the DFA Surveillance is one of those been around, but you never heard of them till recently type of deals. UR, Upstart, and others are very familiar with Surveillance, and all I can say is, keep your eye on this one... From: Mark S Flintoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tom churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] surveillance recordings? Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:39:54 -0500 TC I picked up a great 12 in Rubadub yesterday by DFA (Deterministic Finite Automata), snappily titled 'Microstructural Chracterization' on Surveillance Recordings from Detroit. 3 tracks of minimal but extremely soulful and melodic electronic house/techno, very very nice indeed. Just wondering if anyone had any more info on DFA or the Surveillance label, and if there's any other recommended material worth checking out? Hey Tom, If you recall I put it in my top 10 for 2001...can't say as I know anything about the artist or label though... TC Their website (http://www.surveillancerecordings.com/) looks great but there's no actual content... I found http://www.surveillance.net doing a quick search but that is another label altogether...though also from Detroit, and also techno. Seems strange that there are two Techno labels in the same city with the same name! Lemme know if you find out anything! It would be nice if someone could shed some light on the subject. Ohhh and for something in a similar vein you should check out AJ Hunter's Pressure Point EP on Parotic Music, track it down and you'll find it's well worth the effort... It's probably the most interesting record I bought all of last year, seriously deep Techno/House with a Chicago feel and intriguing programming - the record has such a beautifully textured sound to it (if that makes any sense;-) Cheers, m* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] UR-44 ?
It's actually called HardLife. I've forgotten the name of the guy who is doing the vocals, but agreed it is real sweet! His name is Ron Mitchell. Catch him live at One X on Saturday at the DEMF... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] 1 more demf afterparty
I haven't seen any party with DJ T-1000 yet. What about this festival he was organising, any word on that? Well, he's rumored to be making an appearance at the TKO event on Sunday... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ur at demf in more than one place...
saturday, may 26th live performance by ron mitchell Hard Life the latest assault from UR at club one x michigan avenue, detroit clandestine dj rolando at motor lounge hamtramck, in the heart of detroit yes, they're going on at the same time, no we aren't telling you who else may or may not show up as well...cause they may or may not show up!!! you never know where you'll find resistance... From: ani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] underground resistance demf afterparty Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:46:24 -0400 saturday, may 26th chaos - live (ur) clandestine - dj set (ur) dj rolando - dj set (ur) james pennington aka suburban knight - dj set (ur) namowaun - dj set (red planet) 11 pm - ? 21+ johanson gallery 1345 division on division near russell eastern market, detroit - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] D?EMF Line-Up
From: Nick Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yup yup, I can tell you from a very reliable source that HDNone is talking a load of pap. I also know a few dj's that are gonna be there but the line ups may change, it's still being organised, so there's no room for speculation. Things will be clearer soon, there's no point wasting bandwidth now when the full details will be displayed way before the event anyway... Sorry to jump in on this, but no, HDNone is NOT simply talking junk. I think his/her announcement was premature given the situation, but I can vouch for the fact that this was a line up that was mentioned by individuals involved in organizing the event in private conversations with other folks. This was presented as a done deal, and I know that at least one of the people mentioned has been talking about it to others, whether or not it's been mentioned publicly. I've been given a number of different reasons for why things were said and why things were retracted and why other folks are not going to move on their decisions and none of it is making too much sense to me. The press conference may be interesting for a number of different reasons, but to go to it and expect to hear anything definitive is...chancey at best. Even when someone says, Yes, this is how it's going to be, you find out three days later, Oh, X didn't have the authority to say that, and we changed it. I have a lot more to say, but I'm also going to give the organizers a chance to come up with their story before I open up on folks. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] UR quitted?
Arne, Your friend may be intelligent, but his comments are pretty ignorant. UR is too big because Jaguar is successful? What is there to be shocked about? It's a great track. I'm more shocked that other UR tracks haven't received the attention they deserve from those outside the scene. As far as Mike running UR, he always has. I expect he always will. I've heard rumors about some guy called Cornelius acting as label manager, but that does not mean Mad Mike is no longer running the label, trust me... Some people enjoy shooting arrows...but they keep missing... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arne Weinberg) To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] UR quitted? Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:13:11 +0200 Hello folks! I heard a rumour about Mad Mike. Is it true that he wants to stop running UR? Somebody which name doesn´t interest ;-) at the moment said that he was shocked about Jaguar being so successful and that he thinks that UR are too big now! Has anybody any further info about it? Maybe Cornelius Harris? Hopefully it is an rumour! Cheers, Arne Arne Weinberg Propaganda Rec./Groundzero Rec. °°° - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Eyes Only: Detroit Afterhour (DEMF Weekend)
Not to get on anyone, but please be extremely careful about how folks' names get used. First, while we appreciate the compliment, 2030 Grand River is NOT the UR building. If it truly was, we wouldn't be leaving!! As for Mike making this possible...that implies that he has some sort of involvement in the building or event that is not really accurate. Again, compliments are appreciated, but an improper compliment can sometimes lead to confusion that benefits no one. Peace, Cornelius Underground Resistance From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Eyes Only: Detroit Afterhour (DEMF Weekend) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:08:12 -0500 Name: Eyes Only: DETROIT Produced by: Fulcrum Innovations Address: 2030 Grand River Detroit, MI 48226 (The UR Building --- Special thanks to Mad Mike for making this possible.) Date and Time: May 27, 2001 12AM-5AM Price: $20 in advance (Tickets will be available soon.) $25 at the door Lineup: Live Dopplereffekt, Tresor, Gigolo, Detroit Ultradyne, Pi Gao Movement, Detroit Tangible, Pi Gao Movement, Detroit Shadowpusher, Detroit DJ's Adam X, Sonic Groove, NYC Heather Hart, Sonic Groove, NYC Luna/ NYEX, Up Under, NYC Johanna Constantine, NYC Note: This is an adult event. Leave the drugs at home. For info please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace, Alex Ultradyne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Urban Slang/Mark Flash in the UK
For those of you who don't know, Urban Slang is the new alias of Upstart Records. From: Simon Walley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] Urban Slang/Mark Flash in the UK Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:30:15 GMT Received from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Flow : Urban Slang Two parties celebrating the arrival of the Submerge/UR affiliated label *Urban Slang*. London 28/09/2000 : Fluid, 40 Charterhouse St. London EC1 Bristol 30/09/2000 : Arc Bar, Broad St. BS1 The Flow will be joined by the Urban Slang Unit including: Mark Flash (Urban Slang/UR Assault Remix Squad, Detroit USA) Domingo Yu (Urban Slang/Mixx Flava, Detroit USA) 9pm - 2am Free Entry/ Capacity 2-300. Enquiries: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] Members of the House
wasnt he touring with them while in UR? i remeber a mills interview with him saying he wrote the punisher(his last track for UR) on his own while mike was touring europ with MOH Mike did a lot of work with the group from writing, to management, to a million other things, so yes, he toured with MOH, but not as a performer. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Craig Taborn
I remember Craig Taborn best as a member of a band called Tracy Science. These were some of the baddest young jazz cats out there. In fact, I remember their drummer, Gerald, uh, something or other, being ranked as one of the top drummers in the state. I think they had tapes out, but that was so long ago, I doubt much of their work is still available. From: Intermodal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '313' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Craig Taborn Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 03:42:16 -0400 Hello, Craig Taborn (Innerzone Orchestra's pianist) taught the main stage about the history of one-man electronic possibilities, with his excursion into (dare we try to describe) HerbieHancock/John Hassell/Keith Jarrett-esque experimental jazz - Out of curiosity, what else has Taborn done outside of IO, and does he have any releases. I have to say that his playing on the At Les remake on Programmed has kept me practicing my piano chops for the last couple months. What I would give to be able to play half as well as he can. :) take care, mike Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Members of the House
Right and wrong. It *was* a group prior to UR, but it swiftly changed to a four man vocal house group that in many ways mirrored the Temptations (Banks was NOT on stage doing choreographed dance steps - he was deep in UR by that time). They toured with Martha Wash among other house notables before going their separate ways in the mid 90's. From: Stewart Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Intermodal [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], '313' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Members of the House Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:17:52 +0100 If you didnt know this was the group mike banks was in before he set up UR - Original Message - From: Intermodal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '313' 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 3:36 AM Subject: [313] Members of the House Hello, I know that these guys were on the first Techno comp, how does their other material hold up? Opinions, Discog... Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Sundiata
This Sundiata is an individual, not a group, though given his nature to be everywhere at once, I wouldn't be surprised if folks thought he was a group!! The conga drummers called Sundiata? Anyone know of this because there was a local percussive conga/ marimba group called Sundiata here in Perth, W Australia a few years ago that ended travelling the world for more gigs. I wouldn't believe they would have scored a slot at DEMF? Anyone know the score on this? A_Zed Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Poetic DEMF (Previous v Present)
Umar Bin Hassan of the Last Poets. Hardcore history, folks, check them out. From: Roberto Ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Previous v Present turnouts in Detroit Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:12:15 -0400 I'm not exactly sure what the gentleman's name is (so I won't make a halfways attempt), but he read a couple of his poems with conga accompaniment (not sure about the musician's name either, but the conga guy was on various stages with people like Stacey Hale and Derrick May) on Monday. He also did a reading during May's set with a thumping beat rolling in the background. Pretty interesting if you were paying attention. I'm not sure the crowd necessarily was into it, but I definitely paid attention to the message. One poem was about Niggers Afraid Revolution or something like that. Reminiscent of Beat poetry. Anyone have more details on this? He seemed to be well respected by Derrick, Carl, and others, calling him the last true poet. I'll try and find out more. Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 06/02/00 10:33 AM like a soulful James Brown song during May's set or how about Curtis Mayfield on Deason's set, and not to mention the congas and poetry reading. All good. Whoa. Poetry reading? Who had that? Over a DJ set?? Please tell! Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [313] Previous v Present turnouts in Detroit
Umar Bin Hassan also read the same poem the previous day during Moodyman's... And the precussionist was Sundiata. Wild man! Does anyone know who was MCing during Eddie Fowlkes set? The main guy was Bill Beaver, who some might remember as one of the Members of the House (it'd be sweet as hell to have them regroup for an upcoming DEMF). One of the others is called Boots, and the third guy, I recognize, but forget his name. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) movies that were filmed in Tha D
Michael Rappaport reminded me. Zebrahead, if you come across it, was done here. I actually auditioned for it but lost out due to not having any proper representation (ie, an agent). Which wasn't so bad because by the time the film finished, my character just stood around and grinned. The character's name, which, unfortunately, didn't change, was Nut(?!) Then there was that Danny DeVito flick where he teaches some army guys Hamlet. It had one name in the theaters and a different one on video and I can't remember either one. In fact, DeVito seems to do a lot of film stuff in Detroit. I remember when everyone was fighting over who controlled the Hudson's Building he was filming down there late one night (real, real late). I didn't see DeVito, who was producing or something, but I saw Dabney Coleman (is that his name) and, I think, Bonnie Bedelia. They were supposed to be some kind of couple or something (can you tell I never saw the completed film?). And how can folks forget Martin which was shot in a studio, but set in Detroit and took place in the apartments on Jefferson (yeah, I forgot that name, too, but you always saw them during the 'transitions'). Last, but not least, I gotta put in a vote for Aaliyah, whose film wasn't shot here, but I'm telling ya, one look and I'm like, Ah! Detroit! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Rave Barbie and DJ Ken (Long)
I do think people look at the 'old days' with rose coloured specs. As I recall it has always been the case that there were people on the scene who were only in it for the most superficial reasons and who knew nothing about the music, from 1988 (when I first discovered the music) right through 'til now. No, because they stood out. House, techno, and hip hop all came up around the same time in the early 80's. At the time, hip hop was the cool underground thing and there were all the Break dance in 15 Minutes tapes and everything. But folks generally ignored them. We all knew that Breakin' was a Hollywood vision and never took it to be anything more than that (nice soundtrack, though). Whenever anything is underground there will be folks looking to exploit it or folks who have no clue beyond someone told them that it was cool. It's a trend. And when the trend shifts, so will these folks. The problem comes in when you have a trendy mass that causes the other folks to stop coming out. I'm going to get personal and target the ghetto raves that some seem to enjoy around Detroit (and, if my sources are correct, this happens elsewhere, though maybe not to our extreme). You've got (still) this moneyed suburban white young crowd coming into a broke assed ethnic neighborhood (sometimes in the middle of gang territory??!!!?!) paying $30 so they can enjoy some event that the people who live there can't afford to attend. AND THE PROMOTERS, ATTENDEES, DJS, WHOMEVER, JUST DON'T GIVE A FUCK??!!? And this lack of respect eventually makes it's way to the DJ because who the hell cares about the DJ as long as someone's playing Music To Get High By by Artist of the Month. And everyone's running around so friggin' happy you think, Hmmm, could it be...THE DRUGS!!!??? Then some locals decide, Fuck it, everyone's so friggin happy to be in the hood, let's party! and they start robbing the poor confused bunny rabbits. Yeah, a lot of you around Detroit know where I'm talking about, I used to live there, myself, even had some events there, but NO FRIGGIN BODY WAS ROBBED. And for some who used to enjoy going out, the prospect of spending a night with a bunch of suburban addicts is less than appealing, so they stay away. And the promoters like it like that. I remember hearing (at the last second) about a well known Latino DJ/producer who was playing at some rave here. My guy, Mark Flash (who had also heard about it last minute), hooked up with him at the event. The question that got posed to Flash was, Hey man, I thought there were black and Latinos in Detroit? You see, this rave promoter either A) had no clue that black and Latino music lovers were huge fans of this man and his work, which was why s/he/they didn't bother to have info in those areas, or B) had a clue but didn't care = NO RESPECT FOR THE DJ OR HIS FANS. This is noticed not only by black and Latino fans, but white ones as well, who question what is PLUR when there is no UR (heh, and that was not an intentional pun, but what the hell). It's not what you do, but how you do it. If you want to dress weird, cool. You may set a new trend. If you dance crazy, so be it. Drugs have been around for long before this, but we've also witnessed the drugs destroy a number of our greatest musical heros of all genres. We should have learned something. Still, folks are gonna do what they're gonna do. But RESPECT where you are, the people you're around, your DJ, all of it. Be yourself, but have some common sense and respect. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Techno Rebels--miami bass-ghetto tech etc.
I think you're rightthough I'd be interested in a geneology here. I don't remember anything like say, Get It Girl or Throw That Dick before '86 or so.. H. You folks are missing the *early* days! The Egyptian, Nucleic, Planet Patrolling, Soulsonic days! When you went to the Bass Mechanic to fix your Cosmic Car! I'm talking at least '83 if not earlier. In fact, a lot of the bass rap you hear is tonally like the Egyptian Lover and the LA Dream Team, which would mean that Miami Bass is actually related to real west coast old school rap. In fact, to jump on a thread, check Sir Mixalot's Squaredance Rap. The man even had the vocals pitched up as a forerunner of... Am I going too far to say that whilst Mr. Mixalot was snatchin' from Mr. 500, others in Detroit were judiciously picking up some tips from Mixalot? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Movies Filmed in Detroit
Gridloc'd From: Kevin Michael Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Movies Filmed in Detroit Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:54:14 -0400 (EDT) That movie with Tim Roth and Tupac where they're junkies trying to get clean was filmed entirely in Detroit. I can't think of the name right now. I've probably repressed it since watching it was truly a waste of two hours of my life. Kevin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) WMC/Intuit/Marquis/Upstart
Folks, this is just for clarification. I've had a few folks ask me about seeing Marquis at the event that Intuit is putting on. THIS IS NOT DJ MARQUIS!!! Yes, there are two guys in Detroit named Marquis, who are in music, who have had some involvement with hip hop, among other styles of music. While the Upstart Marquis goes by the name DJ Marquis, the Intuit Marquis goes by Marquis. Nevermind that Marquis is DJing. Both will be in Miami, but again, they are two different guys. Comprende? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Jaguar: The Detroit Connection.
Folks, don't believe the hype. I believe it was BMG New York, if anybody, who did this. And there are some very preemptive reasons why it's not being restocked. There's a lot more to the story and, legal proceedings permitting, I'll fill folks in who want to know. I just don't want to get too deep into this just yet for fear of violating or screwing up what's being worked on. From: Mark S Flintoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nathan John de Yonker [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Jaguar: The Detroit Connection. Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:05:49 -0500 That the record in question was purchased in bulk, by a single shopper at one NY store, is a fact. For whatever reason the record seems not to have been restocked - this is a good thing IMHO. Am I allowed to be pleased by Jaguar's absence from my line of sight while shopping? I think so. Am I happy that the record is not on the shelves where naive youngsters might get their hands on it?:) Yup. Just be grateful I've not mentioned who is rumored to have done the purchasing. I refuse to pass along ridiculous speculation. The injustice of the UR v sony/bmg drama pisses me off as much as anyone, if not more. Excuse me for bringing a little levity to an otherwise grim situation. Peace, Mark* NP - Aztec Mystic - Knights of the Jaguar - UR -4% _ Mark S. Krux Cel - 917.817.3989 DJ / Photographer Fax - 877.485.3477 Managing Editor - http://www.in-sitemagazine.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Sv: (313) I Am AfroGermanic!!!
OK I actually got off my ass and checked, and it was UR 47 (Vintage Future) that I was thinking of and it was Mark Taylor not Marc Floyd. That makes more sense. Oh, yeah, Mark Taylor! Now THAT'S a diverse cat! Anybody remember Mark Morrison? Check the credits for Taylor's work. In fact, he's done a lot of tracks for British RB folks in addition to his electro and bass tracks, amongst other stylings. Hell, if we're talking about Marks, anyone remember Marc Pharaoh? Donnie Marks? In fact, I'm thinking about starting a Michigan Marks webpage. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Errol Flynn/schoolcraft/jit
Funny, I remember as a kid hearing about someone getting in trouble for shouting Errol Flynn and all and I thought how come he's in trouble for talking about an actor??? Of course, this was years ago...around the time of the dinosaurs...I got educated quickly!! From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Errol Flynn/schoolcraft/jit Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:15:53 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard this wonderful record yesterday by a Rashid-Salam and Mad Mike himself called D' Old Skool Dances (Zero Degrees, ZDR001). It's a very simple 808 drumbeat with a few sampled chord stabs and som silly vocal samples that go: Jit jit jit this is the newest danceabout 5-7 years old maybe? fancy foot work. a little like the moves b-boys would do before they spun on their backsbut without the spin. Smurf ... Smurf older. 16 years at least. this had a couple of variants (the california and german smurf come to mind). the original was done by shuffling the instep of one's feet inward, while raising one's arms. (you'd have to see it...) Errol Flynn Errol Flynn THE oldest. 25 years at least. originated on the east side of the city. the myth was--i'm too young to know for sure--that if you did this in some places you'd get beat down. done by stiffening your hands as if they were swords, and slicing them in the air. Schoolcraft ... Schoolcraft Harder to define...and has a couple of variants too. you jump in place kinda, and kick your feet out. this one is a bit younger than the smurf. peace lks __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Detroit House
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] also check out HAPPY records at Submerge 2030grandriver Intangible (Terrance Parkers label) Don't forget Upstart and Soul City! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Fwd: WG: 430 West joins UR fight against Majors
This is a great move. Its a minor point but is there any chance that this will see release on vinyl as well as cd? 'Course it will!!! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) A. Empire also pissed at Sony
Great concept. Now I have a reason to register!! From: There4IM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) A. Empire also pissed at Sony Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:31:18 -0500 on 1/11/00 8:02 PM, matrix at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the article in NME, headman from Atari Teenage Riot also mentions UR ripoff. This is getting good. Does anybody know if Sony is hosting a party at WMC? Might be worth the conference pass price just to walk in wearing a t-shirt that says, Sony stole my track too. The mind wanders... There4IM __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) UR vs. BMG/Ariola
Yes, it's true. My original statement was... Folks, things are not what they seem. Then again, they are. Dirk commented about other folks coming to milk the cashcow or some other crap like that. He wasn't joking. He was telling us about how he would set us up. This is all rumor, so I'll need a minute to get this all straight, but the word is that the two individuals responsible for the creation of this rip off track are now moving from Sony to BMG. I don't think I have to tell you the odds for BMG putting this track on the guys' debut release as a legitimate cover. His response was meant to give the impression they were backing down so that folks would ease up on them. Media would say, hey, it's over, no need to write about this, angry fans would rejoice and stop bothering them, and so on. Many of you went for it. Many did not. Bottom line is, this is not over. I'm preparing a more direct statement to Dreyer and others, but Sony has made their intentions clear by being absolutely silent. Even allies at Sony Japan are now refusing to communicate with us. Whatever hope of any positive outcome with Sony has been destroyed. They're fucking laughing at us. I don't think it's very funny. ...since then, I recieved this (edited by me)... In the new german dance charts the Jaguar is on #4 with the label BMG no longer Sony ! BMG make a deal with the coverversion producers after Sony has cancelld the record. They will do more club and radiopromotion and advertising and give a videoclip to Viva Television. Sony send out a statement to the press and the promotion company Public Propaganda DJs before christmas telling the story. It is printed in Raveline. contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...I have no doubt that Dreyer was paid nicely for the track. There's no way BMG could get it without Sony's approval (good Lord, what am I saying?!?), uh, yeah, anyways, you can't tell me BMG did this without Sony's involvement. Other parts are making more sense to me. The producers of this track are from Cologne. Wouldn't you know, Dreyer is a DJ(?!?!) at a club there. (Too incredible to believe? Check out http://www.f-t-w.com/dj2.htm for some confirmation) It just kills me because these majors are basically uniting, saying, we can all gang up on you, so the hell what. I'm trying to hook up with folks beyond the techno community on this because, hell, I figure, there's a lot of us, too. Some folks thought I was being reactionary, but look at what is happening. I think if anyone thinks that this stops with UR, you're deluding yourself. It's kind of funny. The underground, being what it is, can be eliminated and who is going to notice? Independent labels will suffer and may die out, fans will sit at home bored, but the machine will roll on and...I like to think that...I'm a little too stressed and pissed to continue. You all know where I was going with this. Not having much peace, Cornelius From: _tan_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) UR vs. BMG/Ariola??? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:18:55 +1030 again? after giving mr dreyer another serve he wrote back this email... tan... Thanks for your email. Please be advised that reacting to statements like yours we have cancelled the release of the coverversion. Meanwhile the producers of the remake have signed a deal with BMG / Ariola. They will release it on CD maxi and compilations early february. We have no further control of what is happening to the track. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Jordan Fields
Naw, Jordan ain't from Detroit, but he's close--Chicago! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) aaron carl
Yes, folks it's the same Aaron-Carl, also of Soul City Records. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
