Re: [9fans] 8 cores
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Benjamin Huntsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That being said, while huge scalability is certainly research-worthy, does anyone actually run anything on Plan 9 that needs or would otherwise benefit from 8+ CPUs and more than a few GB's of RAM? The Blue gene HPC folks come to mind. Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? Some people would like to, but to my knowledge fourth edition hasn't been ported to any other platforms. I've heard rumors of a near complete x86_64 port, and there's occasional interest in sparc and ppc ports. -sqweek
Re: [9fans] Can't install Plan9 on VMWare
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Philip Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you either remove the cdrom from the virtual machine or make it to emulate scsi. if you're iso is more than 2 days old, you'll have to do % echo hwaccel off /dev/vgactl to get vga working well. I see, well I removed the cdrom. But when installing plan9 I entered ega (or was it cga?!) in order to not start rio. Maybe I should just run through the installation process again - which is extremely slow here. VMware is the fastest PC emulator i ever run. Anyways, text mode now works fine, but when I'm changing /dev/vgactl with echo type vesa /dev/vgactl and echo hwaccel off /dev/vgactl only echo hwaccel off /dev/vgactl should be sufficient after a reboot the file turns out to be the old one looking like this: type cga bland time 30 idle 0 state on hwaccel on hwblank off panning off addr p 0x0 v 0x0 size 0x0 BTW: When I enter echo type vga /dev/vgactl i get echo: write error: bad VGA control message type vga. And it seems that I cannot edit the file with ed. Philip Silva 1. create virtual machine 2. boot from CD 3. if your graphics isn't readable, create with mouse new window and type echo hwaccel off /dev/vgactl + Enter, exit + Enter 4. screen will not refresh immediately, but you can type Enter and prompt will be refreshed 5. go on with installation 6. after that, before you reboot, edit your VMware configuration file (*.vmx) and changeide1:0.present = TRUEto false. (I suppose ide1:0 is your cd-rom) 7. save and boot Here is my VMware config file (you could change ethernet connection type to bridge or whatever you use), maybe it helps you: config.version = 8 virtualHW.version = 6 virtualHW.productCompatibility = hosted displayName = Monty extendedConfigFile = Monty.vmxf guestOS = other memsize = 256 numvcpus = 2 nvram = Monty.nvram floppy0.present = FALSE ide0:0.present = TRUE ide0:0.fileName = Monty.vmdk ide0:0.redo = ide1:0.present = FALSE ide1:0.fileName = ..\plan9.iso ide1:0.deviceType = cdrom-image ethernet0.present = TRUE ethernet0.addressType = generated ethernet0.pciSlotNumber = 16 ethernet0.generatedAddress = 00:0c:29:14:4b:0a ethernet0.generatedAddressOffset = 0 ethernet0.connectionType = custom ethernet0.vnet=VMnet1 tools.remindInstall = TRUE tools.upgrade.policy = manual logging = FALSE uuid.location = 56 4d fe 9e 4d 1f ee a5-09 ec c7 eb 59 da e6 09 uuid.bios = 56 4d 01 b5 ac 72 1c dd-02 da c4 2a 37 14 4b 0a
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? yes: http://tinyurl.com/5jc8u8, for instance
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
Hi Mr Forsyth, I tried to respond to your directly, but the mail bounced. Here in Saudi Arabia tinyurl is blocked (by the govt). Is it possible that you (or someone else) can expand the URL for me and send it to me off-list? Thanks John Waters, No relation to the director On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:37 PM, C H Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? yes: http://tinyurl.com/5jc8u8, for instance
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
Some people would like to, but to my knowledge fourth edition hasn't been ported to any other platforms. Plan 9 has always run on multiple architectures, and the fourth edition is no different. ls /sys/src/9 will show you that there are ports to the Alpha PC (alphapc) the HP iPaq (bitsy), and a few PowerPC boards (mtx, ppc). Russ
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
For me the URL works out to: http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research_projects.nsf/pages/hare.index.html HARE! Awesome. Anthony
Re: [9fans] web plumbing on OS X drawterm
I mostly get to my Plan 9 cpu servers via drawterm from
my OS X laptop these days (9vx soon, once I get a
comfortable environment there). I have a script that
calls drawterm with the right arguments. I just added
this to the script:
mkfifo /tmp/open.fifo
while () {open `{cat open.fifo}}
There is a web command in plan9port, so this doesn't
need to be OS X specific:
mkfifo /tmp/web.fifo
while() { web `{cat /tmp/web.fifo} }
Russ
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
I'd like to ask a question, but before I do, feel I should say, I've been on this list long enough to understand that Plan 9 is a research vessel, not an OS that's targeted at commercial deployment... i can't agree with this label research os if you mean to imply that it's not stable or somehow unfinished. i run the company's infastructure on plan 9 and our main product — that is my paycheck — depends on plan 9. i spend a lot less time fixing things now than i did when i ran a different company's infastructure on aix and linux. i also suffer much less downtime. on the other hand, if by research os you mean simple and flexable, then i couldn't agree more. That being said, while huge scalability is certainly research-worthy, does anyone actually run anything on Plan 9 that needs or would otherwise benefit from 8+ CPUs and more than a few GB's of RAM? this style product will easily scale to that level http://tinyurl.com/5e3q9p [coraid.com] the real question is can you find a big enough chassis. if that doesn't compel you, running upas imap server for ~40 users with 1.3gb of inboxes might. since upas has the bad manners to load the entire mailbox, we're using about 90% of the 3.5gb bios will spare us in 32bit mode. i also watched it at 100% cpu for a solid hour yesterday. it's embarassing that mail is such a hog. this is our scalability plan: /n/sources/contrib/quanstro/src/nupas/ - erik
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
if that doesn't compel you, running upas imap server for ~40 users with 1.3gb of inboxes might. since upas has the bad manners to load the entire mailbox, we're using about 90% of the 3.5gb bios will spare us in 32bit mode. i also watched it at 100% cpu for a solid hour yesterday. There is supposedly an amd64 port somewhere which should let you use more ram, but you already know that. Of course we all also know how releasing code that people might find useful and even improve is a crazy idea... it's embarassing that mail is such a hog. this is our scalability plan: /n/sources/contrib/quanstro/src/nupas/ Agreed uriel
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
You could always import /net from a 9grid node in a (more) free country ;) (Maybe SA should start filtering 9P connections ;) Peace uriel On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, John Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mr Forsyth, I tried to respond to your directly, but the mail bounced. Here in Saudi Arabia tinyurl is blocked (by the govt). Is it possible that you (or someone else) can expand the URL for me and send it to me off-list? Thanks John Waters, No relation to the director On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:37 PM, C H Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? yes: http://tinyurl.com/5jc8u8, for instance
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
I have a means to circumvent the filters, but not at my current location. Thankfully 9p flows as poorly as all the other protocols here in KSA, but it still flows. I wonder sometimes if I am the only plan 9 user in The Kingdom... Where most folks are accustomed to five nines of availability, the denizens of my hot/dusty/boring city are generally happy with five sevens. Getting back to the topic at hand, does anyone know any specific 8-core capable motherboards that are running plan 9 on bare metal? ma salaama jcw On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Uriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could always import /net from a 9grid node in a (more) free country ;) (Maybe SA should start filtering 9P connections ;) Peace uriel On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, John Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mr Forsyth, I tried to respond to your directly, but the mail bounced. Here in Saudi Arabia tinyurl is blocked (by the govt). Is it possible that you (or someone else) can expand the URL for me and send it to me off-list? Thanks John Waters, No relation to the director On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:37 PM, C H Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? yes: http://tinyurl.com/5jc8u8, for instance
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
Uriel wrote: You could always import /net from a 9grid node in a (more) free country ;) (Maybe SA should start filtering 9P connections ;) Peace Glad to hear that device remoting has some practical applications :-) Given the US Department of Homeland Insecurity, we may need that in the US soon. Hopefully, the current regime will die a gruesome political death in the coming election.
Re: [9fans] web plumbing on OS X drawterm
i added /dev/showfile for windows a while back. in that case, dt
hands anything it is given on /dev/showfile to explorer (closest thing
to plumber on windows). plumb rule for urls hands them to a script
that looks like this:
echo -n $* /mnt/term/dev/showfile
mkfifo /tmp/open.fifo
while () {open `{cat open.fifo}}
I also have a srcipt on the Plan 9 side, 'web':
#!/bin/rc
fifoname=/mnt/term/tmp/open.fifo
if (test -e $fifoname)
echo $* $fifoname
if not
lynx2txt $*
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
i can't agree with this label research os if you mean to imply that it's not stable or somehow unfinished. Not at all. Just meant that one doesn't run their company's Oracle database on it. Not because it's not worthy of doing so, but such things just aren't compiled for it. ...you mean simple and flexable, then i couldn't agree more. And always trying to find the right or most elegant way to do things... Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? yes: http://tinyurl.com/5jc8u8, for instance Hadn't seen that before. Anyone know what cluster interface they're using? Thanks!! -Ben winmail.dat
Re: [9fans] web plumbing on OS X drawterm
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Skip Tavakkolian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i added /dev/showfile for windows a while back. in that case, dt hands anything it is given on /dev/showfile to explorer (closest thing to plumber on windows). plumb rule for urls hands them to a script that looks like this: echo -n $* /mnt/term/dev/showfile Could you please tell me in more details where should I write it? I am not familiar with plumb rules. Antonin
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Benjamin Huntsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can't agree with this label research os if you mean to imply that it's not stable or somehow unfinished. Not at all. Just meant that one doesn't run their company's Oracle database on it. Not because it's not worthy of doing so, but such things just aren't compiled for it. You might be able to run Oracle with linuxemu... if Firefox runs, anything can! uriel
Re: [9fans] web plumbing on OS X drawterm
echo -n $* /mnt/term/dev/showfile Could you please tell me in more details where should I write it? I am not familiar with plumb rules. in $home/lib/plumbing add a line to plumb to winstart for the following rule: typeis text datamatches '(https?|ftp|file|gopher|mailto|news|nntp|telnet|wais|prospero)://[EMAIL PROTECTED]([.:[EMAIL PROTECTED])*/?[a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~/\-+=]+([:.][a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~/\-+=]+)*' plumb to web plumb start winstart $0 the script /rc/bin/winstart looks like this: #!/bin/rc echo -n $* /mnt/term/dev/showfile a better script would test existance of /dev/showfile first.
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 18:28 -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: coming as no suprise, the pc port of plan 9 does work just fine with 8 cores. mpls; cat /dev/sysstat 0 14271 21350133991116 0 0 0 99 0 Looking at the output 99% is idle time. Have you had a chance to look at this system when it is fully loaded with something meaningful? Thanks, Roman.
[9fans] Corrupted meta data
How do you remove a file with corrupted meta data? I was in 9vx and trying to recompile a kernel so I could get a boot file with the local method and it locked. After I killed 9vx and started it up again, I can't mk because main.8 has corrupted meta data. check in fossilcons reports it, but apparently can't fix it. I also can't remove it in fossilcons any more than I can from an rc prompt. Any magic? Thanks, BLS
Re: [9fans] setting up a differnet keyboard
9fat: cp /sys/lib/kbmap/uk /n/9fat try again with kbmap=uk and reboot. On Jul 16, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Robert Hibberdine wrote: Thanks for reply. putting kbmap=uk into plan9.ini gives a message boot: can't open kbd map: 'uk' file does not exist. So I triedkbmap=/sys/lib//kbmap/uk in plan9.ini This didn't work either. I got the message boot: can't open kbd map: 'sys' file does not exist. Not sure what the next step is, so any help is much appreciated Bob Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: IIRC, putting kbmap=uk in plan9.ini should work. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Robert Hibberdine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I want to setup my new plan9 termnial with a UK keyboard. I found kbmap but this appears to be an interactive program. Even if you do kbmap /sys/lib/kbmap/uk it still acts in an interactive manner. Is this right? A qick glance at the code reveals that cp /sys/lib/kbmap/uk /dev/kbmap (put into my lib/ profile) should work too, and it does. But is this the 'correct' way to do it? I just want my keyboard to be the right one when when my terminal windows start. TIA Bob
Re: [9fans] Corrupted meta data
How do you remove a file with corrupted meta data? I was in 9vx and trying to recompile a kernel so I could get a boot file with the local method and it locked. After I killed 9vx and started it up again, I can't mk because main.8 has corrupted meta data. check in fossilcons reports it, but apparently can't fix it. I also can't remove it in fossilcons any more than I can from an rc prompt. Any magic? Can you clri the file from fossilcons? Russ
Re: [9fans] setting up a differnet keyboard
I think you need to add the map to the kernel, as a root file so that boot could find it before reaching the file server. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Robert Hibberdine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for reply. putting kbmap=uk into plan9.ini gives a message boot: can't open kbd map: 'uk' file does not exist. So I triedkbmap=/sys/lib//kbmap/uk in plan9.ini This didn't work either. I got the message boot: can't open kbd map: 'sys' file does not exist. Not sure what the next step is, so any help is much appreciated Bob Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: IIRC, putting kbmap=uk in plan9.ini should work. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Robert Hibberdine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I want to setup my new plan9 termnial with a UK keyboard. I found kbmap but this appears to be an interactive program. Even if you do kbmap /sys/lib/kbmap/uk it still acts in an interactive manner. Is this right? A qick glance at the code reveals that cp /sys/lib/kbmap/uk /dev/kbmap (put into my lib/profile) should work too, and it does. But is this the 'correct' way to do it? I just want my keyboard to be the right one when when my terminal windows start. TIA Bob
[9fans] venti + Nt
Has anyone gotten Nt to read/write from Venti on a Plan 9 or Linux system? I figure one could set up something with SAMBA, but there's no native 9p for Nt, right?
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Benjamin Huntsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore? only for the fun of it, I'm slowly trying to port it to my SGI O2. iru
Re: [9fans] 8 cores
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 18:28 -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: coming as no suprise, the pc port of plan 9 does work just fine with 8 cores. mpls; cat /dev/sysstat 0 14271 21350133991116 0 0 0 99 0 Looking at the output 99% is idle time. Have you had a chance to look at this system when it is fully loaded with something meaningful? not really. a kernel compile from ramfs took about 2.9s with an average of more than 3s of cpu used for every second of real time. a compile from the fs over a gigabit link took about 1s longer, but used far less cpu. neither is particular impressive, but i'm not using a great percentage of the cycles available ( ~3/8) and i am using the slowest processor on the sheet and, due to my misreading of the datasheet, i have only half the memory channels populated. did you have anything specific in mind? - erik
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on MacBook?
The ISO I got that was supposed to work natively on an iMac had: - keyboard error messages (but I think it worked) - no working mouse - inverse video But good luck on a MacBook! On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now have a more-or-less unused MacBook. I'm considering spending some time trying to get Plan 9 working on it. Has anyone gotten beyond confirming that it won't work out of the box? Anthony
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on MacBook?
Intel - there is no prebuilt PPC binary. That ELCR point is what made me get QEMU in the first place. You can find the ISO somewhere in /n/ sources/contrib. du and you can't miss it; it was made by someone else on the list. On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was an intel or ppc iMac? Did you make (if so, how) or acquire (if so, from where) this ISO? Getting that far would be much better than the current stock ISO, which gets to the ELCR print. Anthony
Re: [9fans] venti + Nt
Perhaps related: fossilcons(8), talking about stat, says: The bits denoted by capital letters are included to support non-Plan 9 systems. They are not made visible by the 9P protocol. Has anything ever been done with this, or is this support still theoretical?
