Re: [AI] Disability and Census of 2011
i thought Disability is not included for Census 2011? i remember we discussing at lenth about this on our Group. . At 05:04 AM 6/23/2010, you wrote: Disability and Census of 2011 Kamal Bakshi Counting the invisible children of Mother India. While the current focus of political debate is on 'caste and census,' there is another important aspect that deserves attention. This concerns disability. For decades after our independence, there was no effort to actually count how many of us have any disability. There were estimates- informed or otherwise- but no factual figures. All our government's plans and budgets, rules and regulations, proclamations and posturing were built upon shaky foundations. A new Ministry was created, staffed and has been operating for several decades on that basis. It seemed to suit every one, except the millions who were thus rendered 'invisible'. This lasted for 54 years. But, despite their 'invisibility,' the disabled and the NGOs dealing with disability made progress on the ground. Let me illustrate with an example. There was no government or non-government organisation looking after the needs of children with cerebral palsy, till a young mother of a child with cerebral palsy set up the very first Spastics Society of India, Mumbai (now known as ADAPT-Able Disabled All People Together)) in 1972. The handful of children included her own daughter. Dr. Mithu Alur, our Chairperson, had thus created a unique institution, offering all facilities under one roof, including diagnosis, physiotherapy, physical aids, schooling, parental counselling, etc. Over time, these services also came to include research, teachers training, admission of older children in normal schools and colleges, job-oriented training and placements and so on. This model is now replicated in 18 States. Almost all the organisers have themselves been trained at Mumbai. These NGOs operate independently, while forming a Regional Alliance, constantly coordinating, cooperating and learning from one another. During preparations for the Census of 2001, several NGOs (including us) approached the Census Commission with the request that they should also count the disabled in our country. Obvious arguments were put forward. Approaches were also made through the concerned departments of the Government. Unfortunately, nothing worked; we were simply told that the disabled could not be included. The NGOs were persistent; the matter was taken to the political level. Eventually, it was decided that the Census would include, for the very first time, a counting of the disabled. However, this historic decision was taken at a very late stage, in the face of consistent opposition by the Census Establishment. Perhaps, their subsequent actions were reluctant and grudging. Perhaps, there was not enough time for the necessary preparations. It is also possible that, despite their best efforts, framing of appropriate questions, their translation into the required languages, training of the enumerators etc. left much to be desired. For all these reasons, the results of the Census 2001 were deeply disappointing for the disability movement. For example, the Census of 2001 concluded that there were only 2.13 % or 21 million Indians with any kind of disability. This was a fraction of the estimates by most experts. This has since been amply proved by a World Bank report of 2007. This report was prepared at the request of the Government of India. In fact, it acknowledges the guidance of officials of the Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment, guidance provided by an inter-ministerial Technical Advisory Group set up for the work by MOSJE and consisting of representatives from the Ministries of Health, Labour, Human Resource Development and Rural development, as well as an NGO representative. Similarly, it acknowledges the help of officials in several States including Rajasthan, Karnataka, Orissa, Uttar Pradesh and Tamil Nadu. In short, the World Bank Team had the full backing and support of the Government of India and many State governments. The report is entitled 'People with Disabilities in India: From Commitments to Outcomes'. It concludes: While estimates vary, there is growing evidence that people with disabilities comprise between 4 and 8 per cent of the India population (around 40-90 million individuals) Obviously, there is a vast difference between 2.13 per cent or 21 million 'counted' by the Census of India, and 4-8 per cent or 40-90 million estimated by the World Bank team. Several NGOs, including ADAPT, have been interacting with the Census Commission, individually or in groups. The Commissioner, Dr. C. Chandramauli, has been positive and open-minded. In a recent letter to him, based on our own experience, and consultations with our regional partners and other experts, we have made a number of recommendations. These take into account the Commission's constraints of space and format, the work already done, and
[AI] Disability and Census of 2011
Disability and Census of 2011 Kamal Bakshi Counting the “invisible” children of Mother India. While the current focus of political debate is on ‘caste and census,' there is another important aspect that deserves attention. This concerns disability. For decades after our independence, there was no effort to actually count how many of us have any disability. There were estimates- informed or otherwise- but no factual figures. All our government's plans and budgets, rules and regulations, proclamations and posturing were built upon shaky foundations. A new Ministry was created, staffed and has been operating for several decades on that basis. It seemed to suit every one, except the millions who were thus rendered ‘invisible'. This lasted for 54 years. But, despite their ‘invisibility,' the disabled and the NGOs dealing with disability made progress on the ground. Let me illustrate with an example. There was no government or non-government organisation looking after the needs of children with cerebral palsy, till a young mother of a child with cerebral palsy set up the very first Spastics Society of India, Mumbai (now known as ADAPT-Able Disabled All People Together)) in 1972. The handful of children included her own daughter. Dr. Mithu Alur, our Chairperson, had thus created a unique institution, offering all facilities under one roof, including diagnosis, physiotherapy, physical aids, schooling, parental counselling, etc. Over time, these services also came to include research, teachers training, admission of older children in “normal” schools and colleges, job-oriented training and placements and so on. This model is now replicated in 18 States. Almost all the organisers have themselves been trained at Mumbai. These NGOs operate independently, while forming a Regional Alliance, constantly coordinating, cooperating and learning from one another. During preparations for the Census of 2001, several NGOs (including us) approached the Census Commission with the request that they should also count the disabled in our country. Obvious arguments were put forward. Approaches were also made through the concerned departments of the Government. Unfortunately, nothing worked; we were simply told that the disabled could not be included. The NGOs were persistent; the matter was taken to the political level. Eventually, it was decided that the Census would include, for the very first time, a counting of the disabled. However, this historic decision was taken at a very late stage, in the face of consistent opposition by the Census Establishment. Perhaps, their subsequent actions were reluctant and grudging. Perhaps, there was not enough time for the necessary preparations. It is also possible that, despite their best efforts, framing of appropriate questions, their translation into the required languages, training of the enumerators etc. left much to be desired. For all these reasons, the results of the Census 2001 were deeply disappointing for the disability movement. For example, the Census of 2001 concluded that there were only 2.13 % or 21 million Indians with any kind of disability. This was a fraction of the estimates by most experts. This has since been amply proved by a World Bank report of 2007. This report was “prepared at the request of the Government of India”. In fact, it acknowledges “the guidance of officials of the Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment, guidance provided by an inter-ministerial Technical Advisory Group set up for the work by MOSJE and consisting of representatives from the Ministries of Health, Labour, Human Resource Development and Rural development, as well as an NGO representative.” Similarly, it acknowledges the help of officials in several States including Rajasthan, Karnataka, Orissa, Uttar Pradesh and Tamil Nadu. In short, the World Bank Team had the full backing and support of the Government of India and many State governments. The report is entitled ‘People with Disabilities in India: From Commitments to Outcomes'. It concludes: “While estimates vary, there is growing evidence that people with disabilities comprise between 4 and 8 per cent of the India population (around 40-90 million individuals)” Obviously, there is a vast difference between 2.13 per cent or 21 million ‘counted' by the Census of India, and 4-8 per cent or 40-90 million estimated by the World Bank team. Several NGOs, including ADAPT, have been interacting with the Census Commission, individually or in groups. The Commissioner, Dr. C. Chandramauli, has been positive and open-minded. In a recent letter to him, based on our own experience, and consultations with our regional partners and other experts, we have made a number of recommendations. These take into account the Commission's constraints of space and format, the work already done, and recommendations made by others in the disability movement, like a Delhi-based group which had also held wide consultations. For example, along with
Re: [AI] disability and census
So, it means that UID number will be one more hurdle in availing various government facilities and benefits of schemes rather than a panacea as contemplated by common citizen. Wonderful!! I had this notion in mind long ago when it was proposed. Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohammed Asif iqbal Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:26 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hi all, I attended conference couple of months ago and there was a presentation from Director general of UIAI. There presentation highlighted the followings: 1. It is only going to be unique identity number and not a card. 2. It will only verify whether particular ID No. belongs to specified person. 3. It would be up to various government department for mandating unique ID no. It might be mandatory for beneficiaries of national rural employment guarantee scheme, etc. Hope this clearifies. Asif -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rahul cherian Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:44 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don't want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original
Re: [AI] disability and census
Wonderful, Jalaja!! I am amazed why such simple questions raised by our kind-hearted, clear headed and forthright doctor friend are not being answered by any one on this enlightened list! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr Jalaja Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:53 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello, It is very clear that in the N P R form there is no column mentioning disability andin my knowledge the details taken in NP R is coming in the U I D which is used for many purposes.My question is after this procedure where disability is getting included? Regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
UID is just a number and it is going to simply say that so and so is actually so and so. There has not been any talk of adding any questions about caste or creed. Our discussion has been on whether or not one should reveal one's identity as a disabled person if that becomes a question. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:37 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Wonderful, Jalaja!! I am amazed why such simple questions raised by our kind-hearted, clear headed and forthright doctor friend are not being answered by any one on this enlightened list! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr Jalaja Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:53 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello, It is very clear that in the N P R form there is no column mentioning disability andin my knowledge the details taken in NP R is coming in the U I D which is used for many purposes.My question is after this procedure where disability is getting included? Regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
Well, ways of India are strange, like those of God himself Though everybody knows that caste does form an indispensable factor for many things in India, including discrimination throughout millennia and its consequent reverse or compensatory discrimination/affirmative action, and even constitutional facilities like reservations etc., it is not counted in census. We are habituated to avoiding uncomfortable realities, in the naive belief that by doing so, we are eliminating them. It is like a child who believes that by closing his eyes, he can not see others, and so has become invisible himself to others as well Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 5:22 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census UID is just a number and it is going to simply say that so and so is actually so and so. There has not been any talk of adding any questions about caste or creed. Our discussion has been on whether or not one should reveal one's identity as a disabled person if that becomes a question. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:37 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Wonderful, Jalaja!! I am amazed why such simple questions raised by our kind-hearted, clear headed and forthright doctor friend are not being answered by any one on this enlightened list! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr Jalaja Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:53 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello, It is very clear that in the N P R form there is no column mentioning disability andin my knowledge the details taken in NP R is coming in the U I D which is used for many purposes.My question is after this procedure where disability is getting included? Regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any
Re: [AI] disability and census
Interesting article on this issue in the deccan chronicle: UID is an invasion of privacy: Experts The Nandan Nilekani headed Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) came in for much criricism at the first of a series of debates on the issue organised in the city on Friday - Deccan Chronicle, April 17th. Bengaluru, April 16: Legal experts and several ordinary people find the move to give all citizens of the country an identity number an invasion of their privacy. The Nandan Nilekani headed Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) came in for much criricism at the first of a series of debates on the issue organised in the city on Friday. Participants found the idea of concentrating so much power in one authority frightening. One of the panelists Usha Ramanathan of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies said that in two or three years people would not be able to travel without carrying their identity numbers on them. The logic behind this is that if you don't have a number, you don't exist. Our personal information will be fed into the systems of various agencies with a certain set of people handling that data. Allowing so much power in the guise of security is handing too much control to the State, Ms Ramanathan said. Malavika Jayaram of the Centre for internet and Society, described the UID as “a technological solution to a problem that isn't even technological in nature.” Gautam John of Pratham Books, however, felt that a mechanism such as the UID could help identify school dropouts and in tracking quality of education. But most complained about a lack of clarity on the issue On 19 April 2010 17:52, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Well, ways of India are strange, like those of God himself Though everybody knows that caste does form an indispensable factor for many things in India, including discrimination throughout millennia and its consequent reverse or compensatory discrimination/affirmative action, and even constitutional facilities like reservations etc., it is not counted in census. We are habituated to avoiding uncomfortable realities, in the naive belief that by doing so, we are eliminating them. It is like a child who believes that by closing his eyes, he can not see others, and so has become invisible himself to others as well Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 5:22 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census UID is just a number and it is going to simply say that so and so is actually so and so. There has not been any talk of adding any questions about caste or creed. Our discussion has been on whether or not one should reveal one's identity as a disabled person if that becomes a question. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:37 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Wonderful, Jalaja!! I am amazed why such simple questions raised by our kind-hearted, clear headed and forthright doctor friend are not being answered by any one on this enlightened list! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr Jalaja Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:53 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello, It is very clear that in the N P R form there is no column mentioning disability andin my knowledge the details taken in NP R is coming in the U I D which is used for many purposes.My question is after this procedure where disability is getting included? Regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you
Re: [AI] disability and census
Dear sir, It's human behaviour to be afraid of anything new. We all resist, or atleast try to resist, any change. Same thing was said when PAN card came into existence. Let us have an open mind. Many countries have such cards and nobody grudges them. Having such cards can be very useful, in fact. Regards, Sandeep At 07:04 PM 19-04-10, you wrote: Interesting article on this issue in the deccan chronicle: UID is an invasion of privacy: Experts The Nandan Nilekani headed Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) came in for much criricism at the first of a series of debates on the issue organised in the city on Friday - Deccan Chronicle, April 17th. Bengaluru, April 16: Legal experts and several ordinary people find the move to give all citizens of the country an identity number an invasion of their privacy. The Nandan Nilekani headed Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) came in for much criricism at the first of a series of debates on the issue organised in the city on Friday. Participants found the idea of concentrating so much power in one authority frightening. One of the panelists Usha Ramanathan of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies said that in two or three years people would not be able to travel without carrying their identity numbers on them. The logic behind this is that if you don't have a number, you don't exist. Our personal information will be fed into the systems of various agencies with a certain set of people handling that data. Allowing so much power in the guise of security is handing too much control to the State, Ms Ramanathan said. Malavika Jayaram of the Centre for internet and Society, described the UID as a technological solution to a problem that isn't even technological in nature. Gautam John of Pratham Books, however, felt that a mechanism such as the UID could help identify school dropouts and in tracking quality of education. But most complained about a lack of clarity on the issue On 19 April 2010 17:52, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Well, ways of India are strange, like those of God himself Though everybody knows that caste does form an indispensable factor for many things in India, including discrimination throughout millennia and its consequent reverse or compensatory discrimination/affirmative action, and even constitutional facilities like reservations etc., it is not counted in census. We are habituated to avoiding uncomfortable realities, in the naive belief that by doing so, we are eliminating them. It is like a child who believes that by closing his eyes, he can not see others, and so has become invisible himself to others as well Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 5:22 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census UID is just a number and it is going to simply say that so and so is actually so and so. There has not been any talk of adding any questions about caste or creed. Our discussion has been on whether or not one should reveal one's identity as a disabled person if that becomes a question. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:37 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Wonderful, Jalaja!! I am amazed why such simple questions raised by our kind-hearted, clear headed and forthright doctor friend are not being answered by any one on this enlightened list! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr Jalaja Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:53 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello, It is very clear that in the N P R form there is no column mentioning disability andin my knowledge the details taken in NP R is coming in the U I D which is used for many purposes.My question is after this procedure where disability is getting included? Regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your
Re: [AI] disability and census
Wonder what the fuss is all about. Countries in the west have had such an ID for years now. It can simplify procedures and cut down bureaucracy a great deal. Geetha - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Interesting article on this issue in the deccan chronicle: UID is an invasion of privacy: Experts The Nandan Nilekani headed Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) came in for much criricism at the first of a series of debates on the issue organised in the city on Friday - Deccan Chronicle, April 17th. Bengaluru, April 16: Legal experts and several ordinary people find the move to give all citizens of the country an identity number an invasion of their privacy. The Nandan Nilekani headed Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) came in for much criricism at the first of a series of debates on the issue organised in the city on Friday. Participants found the idea of concentrating so much power in one authority frightening. One of the panelists Usha Ramanathan of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies said that in two or three years people would not be able to travel without carrying their identity numbers on them. The logic behind this is that if you don't have a number, you don't exist. Our personal information will be fed into the systems of various agencies with a certain set of people handling that data. Allowing so much power in the guise of security is handing too much control to the State, Ms Ramanathan said. Malavika Jayaram of the Centre for internet and Society, described the UID as “a technological solution to a problem that isn't even technological in nature.” Gautam John of Pratham Books, however, felt that a mechanism such as the UID could help identify school dropouts and in tracking quality of education. But most complained about a lack of clarity on the issue On 19 April 2010 17:52, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Well, ways of India are strange, like those of God himself Though everybody knows that caste does form an indispensable factor for many things in India, including discrimination throughout millennia and its consequent reverse or compensatory discrimination/affirmative action, and even constitutional facilities like reservations etc., it is not counted in census. We are habituated to avoiding uncomfortable realities, in the naive belief that by doing so, we are eliminating them. It is like a child who believes that by closing his eyes, he can not see others, and so has become invisible himself to others as well Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 5:22 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census UID is just a number and it is going to simply say that so and so is actually so and so. There has not been any talk of adding any questions about caste or creed. Our discussion has been on whether or not one should reveal one's identity as a disabled person if that becomes a question. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:37 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Wonderful, Jalaja!! I am amazed why such simple questions raised by our kind-hearted, clear headed and forthright doctor friend are not being answered by any one on this enlightened list! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr Jalaja Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:53 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello, It is very clear that in the N P R form there is no column mentioning disability andin my knowledge the details taken in NP R is coming in the U I D which is used for many purposes.My question is after this procedure where disability is getting included? Regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe
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Probably if the government gives assurances that UIDs will not be sold to private companies, who may invade our privacies, it would help the ccause. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of sandeep singh Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:09 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Dear sir, It's human behaviour to be afraid of anything new. We all resist, or atleast try to resist, any change. Same thing was said when PAN card came into existence. Let us have an open mind. Many countries have such cards and nobody grudges them. Having such cards can be very useful, in fact. Regards, Sandeep At 07:04 PM 19-04-10, you wrote: Interesting article on this issue in the deccan chronicle: UID is an invasion of privacy: Experts The Nandan Nilekani headed Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) came in for much criricism at the first of a series of debates on the issue organised in the city on Friday - Deccan Chronicle, April 17th. Bengaluru, April 16: Legal experts and several ordinary people find the move to give all citizens of the country an identity number an invasion of their privacy. The Nandan Nilekani headed Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) came in for much criricism at the first of a series of debates on the issue organised in the city on Friday. Participants found the idea of concentrating so much power in one authority frightening. One of the panelists Usha Ramanathan of the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies said that in two or three years people would not be able to travel without carrying their identity numbers on them. The logic behind this is that if you don't have a number, you don't exist. Our personal information will be fed into the systems of various agencies with a certain set of people handling that data. Allowing so much power in the guise of security is handing too much control to the State, Ms Ramanathan said. Malavika Jayaram of the Centre for internet and Society, described the UID as a technological solution to a problem that isn't even technological in nature. Gautam John of Pratham Books, however, felt that a mechanism such as the UID could help identify school dropouts and in tracking quality of education. But most complained about a lack of clarity on the issue On 19 April 2010 17:52, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Well, ways of India are strange, like those of God himself Though everybody knows that caste does form an indispensable factor for many things in India, including discrimination throughout millennia and its consequent reverse or compensatory discrimination/affirmative action, and even constitutional facilities like reservations etc., it is not counted in census. We are habituated to avoiding uncomfortable realities, in the naive belief that by doing so, we are eliminating them. It is like a child who believes that by closing his eyes, he can not see others, and so has become invisible himself to others as well Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 5:22 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census UID is just a number and it is going to simply say that so and so is actually so and so. There has not been any talk of adding any questions about caste or creed. Our discussion has been on whether or not one should reveal one's identity as a disabled person if that becomes a question. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:37 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Wonderful, Jalaja!! I am amazed why such simple questions raised by our kind-hearted, clear headed and forthright doctor friend are not being answered by any one on this enlightened list! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr Jalaja Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:53 PM
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Hi, We all are seeing with how much interest the government is pursuing any work when it is related exclusively to the disabled. So, I doubt the possibility of a multipurpose disability card being issued at the national level. Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect. Coming to denial of services,even now, we can't escape from being discriminated because there has to be a personal interaction for availing those services. And in the recent past, we've seen some cases wherein we've been successful in availing these services. And Rahul sir, correcting you is a far away thing, first let me understand you, honestly, I didn't get your exact intent when you emphasised so much on my option of availing benefits. So, please educate me in that area, either on the list or off the list. I personally feel having disability on the UID card is one form of inclusiveness. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/18/10, jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com wrote: Sir, In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime. There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected automatically. We live in the country where people have not much respect for disable person. My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly, but when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my application. How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had produced disability card at that time the result might have different. That’s why I am against it. Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far better than me. I am just writing my thoughts. Thanks. On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don’t want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends
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dear all, disability is neither a sin nor a crime, no point in hiding it, i agree to what mr. vamshi says. regards kumar amalesh Asstt. Administrative Officer LIC --- On Sun, 18/4/10, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 12:41 PM Hi, We all are seeing with how much interest the government is pursuing any work when it is related exclusively to the disabled. So, I doubt the possibility of a multipurpose disability card being issued at the national level. Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect. Coming to denial of services,even now, we can't escape from being discriminated because there has to be a personal interaction for availing those services. And in the recent past, we've seen some cases wherein we've been successful in availing these services. And Rahul sir, correcting you is a far away thing, first let me understand you, honestly, I didn't get your exact intent when you emphasised so much on my option of availing benefits. So, please educate me in that area, either on the list or off the list. I personally feel having disability on the UID card is one form of inclusiveness. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/18/10, jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com wrote: Sir, In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime. There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected automatically. We live in the country where people have not much respect for disable person. My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly, but when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my application. How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had produced disability card at that time the result might have different. That’s why I am against it. Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far better than me. I am just writing my thoughts. Thanks. On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include
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Dear All, Well in my view including the disability in no way stops us from getting what we want. The views of Rahul bhaiya represents today's bad political situation in the case of minorities. Where as the views of few others are that we will be discriminated just because we are disabled. There was another view represented by someone that even if we apply for something and if the 'sensible' persons sitting their to look into the applications come to know that we are disabled our forms will be rejected. I respect everyone's views, and there is nothing wrong in saying what you want to say. Well dealing with discrimination, I am unable to understand that just because it is written on the card that we are disabled how come we will be discriminated? If it is a discrimination why we do possess medical certificate? Before anyone comes up and say that 'boss medical certificate is required where you specifically want to show that you are disabled and not in general situations'. Wav! I am impressed by your intelligence. Absolutely right. Now when we consider general situations why people will consider our disability when it is not required to do so? And even if they do then how they will deny us the basic things after knowing that we are disabled? Just tell me, that almost everywhere when we require any facility for which we have to fill any form, we fix a photograph on the form. Am I right? If yes, then if I restrict myself at least to visual impairment then generally it is clear from your photograph that you have vision problem. Note my word 'generally'. Then, are you denied the facilities? Lets take pan card for that matter? I think no. So I don't feel that there will be any discrimination. Including disability on the card will just show that you are disabled. You will not be discriminated because of that, however people will come to know that you are disabled then generally you will have their sympethy in India at least. That we already do get whenver any person comes to know about our disability. The only fact which we need to accept that if someone calls us disabled or if someone knows that we are disabled then we should not feel that we are infirior or we are discriminated. Lets accept the fact. And who stops you from showing your caliver in the society? Ultimately your performance will take away the sympathetic attitude of people. I would also like to say that when we say that including disability colunm on the card will be the reason of rejecting our application. Specially demat example was given. Tell me, that even today we are facing this problem. Today also many a times our forms get rejected because lack of awareness amongst brokers etc about the guidelines. Today also we need to convince them by showing them the guidelines and our talent of course. Today also we need to find out that our forms are being rejected. Then only we can take any step of meeting them etc. The things which we are doing now from overcoming of these problems,can be done at that time. UID does not stop us from doing that. We are talking about multipurpose eye-card instead of including disability on UID card. But if we are to have such card, then why not let it be on UID card itself? The best advantage of having this in UID database is that we will not need to follow another lengthy process of getting multipurpose Icard and one card will serve all the purposes. The second advantage of this will be that since disability will be recognized in UID itself we will not need to do any lengthy documentations. Which I can presume that will be added in case of multipurpose card. **I don't say that don't get multipurpose card so persons working on that project don't take me in wrong sense** Still we are faced with many difficulties, which we are overcoming either by ourselves or by the efforts of experts of our field who give their sincere efforts to get the guidelines created. The problem of railway concession the problem of no uniform format in concessions will be taken away by this card itself. I think that this UID project will make our task easier instead of making it difficult. And I think it is very sensible step to include disability in the card itself. And by the way, we are discussing here that we should not include disability then if all agree that it shouldn't be included, then are we going to talk with UID authorities who have already taken this sensible step? However I don't know that how UID will deal with temporary disableds. This is not at all counter reply, these are just and just my personal views. I respect everyone's wisdom. Regards Amar Jain. On 4/18/10, amalesh Kumar kumar_amal...@yahoo.co.in wrote: dear all, disability is neither a sin nor a crime, no point in hiding it, i agree to what mr. vamshi says. regards kumar amalesh Asstt. Administrative Officer LIC --- On Sun, 18/4/10, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census
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in the card itself. And by the way, we are discussing here that we should not include disability then if all agree that it shouldn't be included, then are we going to talk with UID authorities who have already taken this sensible step? However I don't know that how UID will deal with temporary disableds. This is not at all counter reply, these are just and just my personal views. I respect everyone's wisdom. Regards Amar Jain. On 4/18/10, amalesh Kumar kumar_amal...@yahoo.co.in wrote: dear all, disability is neither a sin nor a crime, no point in hiding it, i agree to what mr. vamshi says. regards kumar amalesh Asstt. Administrative Officer LIC --- On Sun, 18/4/10, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 12:41 PM Hi, We all are seeing with how much interest the government is pursuing any work when it is related exclusively to the disabled. So, I doubt the possibility of a multipurpose disability card being issued at the national level. Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect. Coming to denial of services,even now, we can't escape from being discriminated because there has to be a personal interaction for availing those services. And in the recent past, we've seen some cases wherein we've been successful in availing these services. And Rahul sir, correcting you is a far away thing, first let me understand you, honestly, I didn't get your exact intent when you emphasised so much on my option of availing benefits. So, please educate me in that area, either on the list or off the list. I personally feel having disability on the UID card is one form of inclusiveness. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/18/10, jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com wrote: Sir, In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime. There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected automatically. We live in the country where people have not much respect for disable person. My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly, but when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my application. How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had produced disability card at that time the result might have different. That’s why I am against it. Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far better than me. I am just writing my thoughts. Thanks. On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all
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Dear Friend, Our eyes may appear similar to the eyes of sighted people but the white cane we carry tells the world that we are blind. Refusing to mention our disability on the census form does not hide our blindness but tells the sighted world that we are uneasy about our blindness, that we are uncomfortable with it. About the photograph, the photograph's main purpose is not to show whether a person is disabled or not but just to provide an easily recognisable proof of identity. And refusing to mention blindness on the census form still demanding a separate disability card smacks of hypocrisy. It tells the society at large that we are unlike them are ashamed of the difference choose to hide it. I would like all blind disabled friends to mention the fact of disability on the census forms so that accurate data on disability can be gathered. Also, remember that the census data will be used to create the National Population Registry which is expected to form the backbone of the Unique Identity Card. Refusing to mention disability in the census could result in the disability not being mentioned in the Unique Identity card excluding you from any concessions provided by government authorities. Regards Mr. Sameer Latey, Mumbai, India - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hi, A Fantastic logic. I am convinced by the logic. But frankly speaking by so called logic and lengthy mail it is possible to prove our immature points, and we can easily prove other people wrong the points of vamshisir expectable at some extent. One more thing, there are many visually impaired persons including me whose eyes are as normal as any sighted person, so the logic of photograph is simply baseless. You intelligent people may be right on your stand, but over enthusiasm will definitely damage us... logic is other thing than harsh reality. Just keeping highlighted board of disability will not going to help us in any way. Really sorry if somebody is hurt. Thanks. On 4/18/10, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, Well in my view including the disability in no way stops us from getting what we want. The views of Rahul bhaiya represents today's bad political situation in the case of minorities. Where as the views of few others are that we will be discriminated just because we are disabled. There was another view represented by someone that even if we apply for something and if the 'sensible' persons sitting their to look into the applications come to know that we are disabled our forms will be rejected. I respect everyone's views, and there is nothing wrong in saying what you want to say. Well dealing with discrimination, I am unable to understand that just because it is written on the card that we are disabled how come we will be discriminated? If it is a discrimination why we do possess medical certificate? Before anyone comes up and say that 'boss medical certificate is required where you specifically want to show that you are disabled and not in general situations'. Wav! I am impressed by your intelligence. Absolutely right. Now when we consider general situations why people will consider our disability when it is not required to do so? And even if they do then how they will deny us the basic things after knowing that we are disabled? Just tell me, that almost everywhere when we require any facility for which we have to fill any form, we fix a photograph on the form. Am I right? If yes, then if I restrict myself at least to visual impairment then generally it is clear from your photograph that you have vision problem. Note my word 'generally'. Then, are you denied the facilities? Lets take pan card for that matter? I think no. So I don't feel that there will be any discrimination. Including disability on the card will just show that you are disabled. You will not be discriminated because of that, however people will come to know that you are disabled then generally you will have their sympethy in India at least. That we already do get whenver any person comes to know about our disability. The only fact which we need to accept that if someone calls us disabled or if someone knows that we are disabled then we should not feel that we are infirior or we are discriminated. Lets accept the fact. And who stops you from showing your caliver in the society? Ultimately your performance will take away the sympathetic attitude of people. I would also like to say that when we say that including disability colunm on the card will be the reason of rejecting our application. Specially demat example was given. Tell me, that even today we are facing this problem. Today also many a times our forms get rejected because lack of awareness amongst brokers etc about the guidelines. Today also we need to convince them by showing them the guidelines and our talent
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@Jignesh Sir if this is how you take it then I am unable to argue further on this because my level does not permit me to do so. Let me tell you that I am not at all over enthuziastic about it. And if my points appear to you as immatured, then either I do not reach upto your maturity level or you do not reach to my maturity level. Again talking about logic, I understand the purpose of photograph as said by Sameer bhaiya also but there also I am not doing any wrong when I say that sometimes our eyes clearly indicates our disability. So I don't feel that my logic is baseless. Neither highlighting the disability too much and nor hiding the disability is going to help us. So we need to be balanced about it. Neither you are hurting to me and nor I am trying to hurt you. We all are expressing our opinions which comes under right to free expression as provided by Constitution of India. However while expressing the opinion we should bare in mind that our presentation should be good. Sometimes our selection of words clearly convey the wrong message. As far as my lengthy mail is concerned, I am not trying to give any lecture but it is a matter of regret that even after reading my long mail which clearly brings out my thoughts and intention you could not understand my point of view. Having said all that, I would like to tell you that I do have deep respect for your views, and I also expect the same from you. And not only you, I respect everybody's opinion, but at the other side I respect my opinion also. I have no problem if our views do not match, because every coign has two sides. Let me also make it clear that I have never had the intention to prove you or anyone else wrong. Its just that I am expressing my views. At the end, let me thank you since you are convinced from my logic. Regards Amar Jain. -- From: Sameer sala...@gawab.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:47 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Dear Friend, Our eyes may appear similar to the eyes of sighted people but the white cane we carry tells the world that we are blind. Refusing to mention our disability on the census form does not hide our blindness but tells the sighted world that we are uneasy about our blindness, that we are uncomfortable with it. About the photograph, the photograph's main purpose is not to show whether a person is disabled or not but just to provide an easily recognisable proof of identity. And refusing to mention blindness on the census form still demanding a separate disability card smacks of hypocrisy. It tells the society at large that we are unlike them are ashamed of the difference choose to hide it. I would like all blind disabled friends to mention the fact of disability on the census forms so that accurate data on disability can be gathered. Also, remember that the census data will be used to create the National Population Registry which is expected to form the backbone of the Unique Identity Card. Refusing to mention disability in the census could result in the disability not being mentioned in the Unique Identity card excluding you from any concessions provided by government authorities. Regards Mr. Sameer Latey, Mumbai, India - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hi, A Fantastic logic. I am convinced by the logic. But frankly speaking by so called logic and lengthy mail it is possible to prove our immature points, and we can easily prove other people wrong the points of vamshisir expectable at some extent. One more thing, there are many visually impaired persons including me whose eyes are as normal as any sighted person, so the logic of photograph is simply baseless. You intelligent people may be right on your stand, but over enthusiasm will definitely damage us... logic is other thing than harsh reality. Just keeping highlighted board of disability will not going to help us in any way. Really sorry if somebody is hurt. Thanks. On 4/18/10, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, Well in my view including the disability in no way stops us from getting what we want. The views of Rahul bhaiya represents today's bad political situation in the case of minorities. Where as the views of few others are that we will be discriminated just because we are disabled. There was another view represented by someone that even if we apply for something and if the 'sensible' persons sitting their to look into the applications come to know that we are disabled our forms will be rejected. I respect everyone's views, and there is nothing wrong in saying what you want to say. Well dealing with discrimination, I am unable to understand that just because it is written on the card that we are disabled how come we will be discriminated
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Hi all, I attended conference couple of months ago and there was a presentation from Director general of UIAI. There presentation highlighted the followings: 1. It is only going to be unique identity number and not a card. 2. It will only verify whether particular ID No. belongs to specified person. 3. It would be up to various government department for mandating unique ID no. It might be mandatory for beneficiaries of national rural employment guarantee scheme, etc. Hope this clearifies. Asif -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rahul cherian Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:44 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don't want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http
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Hello, It is very clear that in the N P R form there is no column mentioning disability andin my knowledge the details taken in NP R is coming in the U I D which is used for many purposes.My question is after this procedure where disability is getting included? Regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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I don't think disability is entirely an private affair, and so far as discrimination is concerned, it will at least be easier to point out and remedy, if it is explicitly based on disability rather than implicit presumptions now happening in its name. Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rahul cherian Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:53 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don't want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly
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Yes, indeed it is beneficial, although ideal situation presented by vamshi will not materialize in India, still one should have vital info like disability on UID card, but fact is that we are not going to have it, as we are still in process of finalizing proper disability question itself and forms for NPR are already prepared, and I hope for census enumeration also!!! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 10:25 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don't want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please
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Rahul\ There is a vital difference between religion and disability, though former has systematically and brutally reinforced the later. Anyway, UID data will be with government, so its use for mass identification in situations of violence is not a probability. Further, for identifying a disability, one need only look at the person herself/himself, rather than complicated and encrypted data. I must say you are entirely mistaken on the issue. Further, having a multi-purpose disability card is the need of the hour and UID card, at least in principle, could fulfill it easily. Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rahul cherian Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:44 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don't want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done
Re: [AI] disability and census
Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don’t want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don’t want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Dear Rahul I fail to understand how carrying this info would go against privacy andhow anyone could discriminate against you. If someone discriminates against you it would be your disability itself and not on the strength of what is written on that card. In case if that indeed happens, I am sure you would not sit quite. Then what is the problem in having it on paper. There would be more benefits recording proper data than being sentimental about it. Harish. - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don’t want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don’t want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don’t want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe
Re: [AI] disability and census
Sir, In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime. There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected automatically. We live in the country where people have not much respect for disable person. My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly, but when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my application. How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had produced disability card at that time the result might have different. That’s why I am against it. Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far better than me. I am just writing my thoughts. Thanks. On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don’t want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja
Re: [AI] disability and census
Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] disability and census!!!
So, no comments on lack of disability field in household survey and NPR? Has only one organization taken up the full responsibility of representing disabled by holding national consultations without widespread publicity? Is it fair? At least they are doing something, let them do, right? Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Disability and census
My simple contention is: In NPR register, disability must be mentioned.\ It must also be included in UID data. Even counting households, if the head of household is disabled, it must be noted. I am a lawyer, inter alia, by training, but I have little patience for complicated legal jargon Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Praful Vyas Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:20 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Disability and census Dear Friends, First round of census is counting of houses only. And second round is counting all population. in that round the Colum of persons with disabilities is there. - Original Message - From: sandeep singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Disability and census Hi, This is very strange, because the government said that this sensus will include a comprehensive survey of the disabled persons- type of disability, the profession they are involved in, their income levels etc. Well, perhaps it was yet another propaganda without any real substance. Regards, Sandeep At 03:28 PM 12-04-10, you wrote: Hello friends, In the census 2010 which is started today there is no column for disability . In the proforma there is no provision for it and without coming into the enumeration how can it be included? If anyone have an idea please respond. Thanks and regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] Disability and census
Hello friends, In the census 2010 which is started today there is no column for disability . In the proforma there is no provision for it and without coming into the enumeration how can it be included? If anyone have an idea please respond. Thanks and regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Disability and census
Census happens in 2 phases. 1st Phase: Houselisting and Housing Census and they are also collecting data for National Population Register (April - Sep 2010) 2nd Phase is Population Enumeration (9th Feb to 28th), in which data on disability will be collected. It is important that all people get counted in Phase 1 2. In Phase 1 (NPR) basic information is collected. (NPR info will be used for UID also) Please see the attached presentation (Power Point Presentation) made by the Census Commissioner in the National Consultation organised by NCPEDP. Also you can read www.dnis.org (April 1st issue) for more information on the subject. Warm regards, Rama - Original Message From: George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Mon, 12 April, 2010 4:09:14 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Disability and census Hi, This is not the census. This is the survey for the Unique Identity card. The Census will be done in February, 2011. Regards, George - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:28 PM Subject: [AI] Disability and census Hello friends, In the census 2010 which is started today there is no column for disability . In the proforma there is no provision for it and without coming into the enumeration how can it be included? If anyone have an idea please respond. Thanks and regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Disability and census
Whatever it is, should disability not be included? What happened to our efforts to get disability included in UID card? Anyway, I always fail to understand government's logic, why two exercises for population and UID? and why with different parameters? Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of George Abraham Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:09 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Disability and census Hi, This is not the census. This is the survey for the Unique Identity card. The Census will be done in February, 2011. Regards, George - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:28 PM Subject: [AI] Disability and census Hello friends, In the census 2010 which is started today there is no column for disability . In the proforma there is no provision for it and without coming into the enumeration how can it be included? If anyone have an idea please respond. Thanks and regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Disability and census
Yes, doctor. You are right. My colleagues are the supervisors in this task. They also told me that there is no such column in the NPR to mention disability of the citizen. If this is not mentioned in the census, how will the country know how many disabled persons reside in this nation? And if they don't know this, how will the government properly plan for the welfare of the handicapped? - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:28 PM Subject: [AI] Disability and census Hello friends, In the census 2010 which is started today there is no column for disability . In the proforma there is no provision for it and without coming into the enumeration how can it be included? If anyone have an idea please respond. Thanks and regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Disability and census
Hi, This is very strange, because the government said that this sensus will include a comprehensive survey of the disabled persons- type of disability, the profession they are involved in, their income levels etc. Well, perhaps it was yet another propaganda without any real substance. Regards, Sandeep At 03:28 PM 12-04-10, you wrote: Hello friends, In the census 2010 which is started today there is no column for disability . In the proforma there is no provision for it and without coming into the enumeration how can it be included? If anyone have an idea please respond. Thanks and regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Disability and census
Hello , In the N P R form each and every details of all members of a family except disability is included.The form is in local language and it is already issued to the enumerators, and when will they include disability?I personally verified the N P R form. Regards---Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Disability and census
you are right, doctor. My colleagues have also told me so. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Disability and census Hello , In the N P R form each and every details of all members of a family except disability is included.The form is in local language and it is already issued to the enumerators, and when will they include disability?I personally verified the N P R form. Regards---Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Disability and census
Dear Friends, First round of census is counting of houses only. And second round is counting all population. in that round the Colum of persons with disabilities is there. - Original Message - From: sandeep singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Disability and census Hi, This is very strange, because the government said that this sensus will include a comprehensive survey of the disabled persons- type of disability, the profession they are involved in, their income levels etc. Well, perhaps it was yet another propaganda without any real substance. Regards, Sandeep At 03:28 PM 12-04-10, you wrote: Hello friends, In the census 2010 which is started today there is no column for disability . In the proforma there is no provision for it and without coming into the enumeration how can it be included? If anyone have an idea please respond. Thanks and regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
