date:20200331

It's hard to imagine something to match the combination of sharp 
loudness and convenience of a pistol.  If you need it louder you might 
have to just get a bigger pistol.


I seem to think they use 12 gauge blanks for sounding underground 
objects.  Similar problem with similar solution.



On 3/31/2020 7:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
We have some loads for a power hammer that may work. Else we will just 
pull the bullet off a regular 22 short and either crimp it or put some 
soap in it.

*From:* David Coudron
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

You can use a regular pistol and regular blanks.   I bought a lot of 
these for my uncle who was the coordinator for track and field in 
Hawaii. We just bought regular blanks even thought they had starting 
pistols, so you can use them in a regular pistol.   He mixed black 
powder and regular powder. Black powder for official races, regular 
for practice. .22 and a .22 pistol should work well.   I wouldn’t mess 
with the black powder though as it is tough on the pistol and harder 
to get.   Let me know if you have a tough time finding them, I might 
be able to help.


Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:12 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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No we just want the shortest loudest sound we can get initially.  I 
will get it dialed in after some initial testing.


The problem with the starter pistol is that I think the sound comes 
out of an area that is somewhat diffuse.  If we put a blank in a 
pistol then the sound should come from the barrel.


*From:*David Coudron

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:06 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

Starter pistol would be significantly louder and is pretty cheap to 
use if you need to do this often.   You can get .22 or .32 caliber 
blanks.   Don’t bother with the black powder blanks, they are harder 
to get and cost more. The black powder only helps if you need visual 
verification of the shot before the noise reaches you (like the timer 
in a race).


Regards,

David Coudron

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT new project

I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a 
starter pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.


Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise 
need to be small.


Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse 
sharp and loud enough.


Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud 
enough or not.




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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Sean Heskett

We are moving a couple APs to this new band and then using the “abandoned”
channel to widen other APs to 30 or 40mhz.  If/when we need to go back we
just reverse the process, it’s all just software changes.  By the time we
have to revert I’d hope everyone is back at work and bandwidth demand goes
back to normal levels.

-Sean


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:12 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> That is why we haven’t pursued it.   Making the change for what could be
> 60 days only doesn’t seem worth the hassle.   Especially when you vacate
> channels that are working for you now.  If it is likely we’ll have to move
> back into the 5 GHz normal channels, we dare not vacate them.   I think
> we’d be pretty interested if there was a good chance we wouldn’t have to
> move back.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>
>
>
> If only someone knew the answers to these questions...
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>
>
>
> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term
> capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity
> increases with little or no tower work.
>
> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the
> original congested 5GHz space.
>
> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days,
> maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer
> now?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it
> should this continue .
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I have
> read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>
>
>
> How permanent is this likely to be?
>
> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software
> without much effort.
>
> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell
> them?
>
>
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9
>
>
>
> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>
>
>
> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>
>
>
> Adam
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[AFMUG] RackInjector Reboot

2020-03-31 Thread George Skorup

Got a RackInjector that's acting weird. I believe it's on the latest
version. But ICMP latency to it is all over the place (vs others that
respond 1ms or less continuously). HTTP responds-ish, sometimes. Pages
won't fully load. Then it will eventually not respond at all. Give it a
while and it will half respond again. But SNMP seems fine, at least
get/walk. I looked through the MIB and couldn't find anything that stood
out for reboot. Am I just not finding the correct OID, or is a reboot via
SNMP not possible? I would rather not like to send someone to power cycle
it, not to mention all of the gear powered by it.
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[AFMUG] Meanwhile Vivint is ceasing wireless in our area..

https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/31/atts-39ghz-spectrum-win-sets-stage-for-national-3gbps-5g-service/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Earthquakes

We had 5.0 one last week 100 miles east of us...I thought it was an
explosion.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 7:16 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Salt lake city last week, Boise today, They're getting close to that
> Geo-lock at Yellowstone and unleashing pandemonium.  At least i think
> that's what the movies call it.
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[AFMUG] Porn for Chuck

2020-03-31 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

https://youtu.be/eIcLvF2C8eM?t=833

(Link to start of undressing part)

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

2020-03-31 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Air Compressor, Accumulator.  Large fast solenoid.




On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:17 PM  wrote:

> I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter
> pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.
> Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise
> need to be small.
> Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse
> sharp and loud enough.
> Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough
> or not.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project


  
  
Not really. You have to be down close to the well head to hear
  it. Of course, it's a closed system, so I have no idea what it
  sounds like inside the well pipe.

bp



On 3/31/2020 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Is it noisy?
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 4:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project
  

 
  
  
We have one of these on our water well. It works by
  sending a pulse down the well and times how long it takes
  to receive the echo. Maybe not loud enough for your
  purposes, but your description made me think of it.


  https://enoscientific.com/ww660/

bp



On 3/31/2020 3:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  I need to launch a large sound impulse down a
pipe.  Thinking of a starter pistol.  Banging on the
side of the pipe is not good enough.  
  Need a loud pop that I can do over and over. 
Whatever makes the noise need to be small.  
  Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that
could produce an impulse sharp and loud enough.  
  Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy
caps would be loud enough or not.

  
  
  




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[AFMUG] OT: Earthquakes

2020-03-31 Thread Nate Burke

Salt lake city last week, Boise today, They're getting close to that 
Geo-lock at Yellowstone and unleashing pandemonium.  At least i think 
that's what the movies call it.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project


  
  
Neither. Kind of a soft pop. It repeats about once per second.


bp



On 3/31/2020 4:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Is it a click or tone or ?
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 4:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project
  

 
  
  
We have one of these on our water well. It works by
  sending a pulse down the well and times how long it takes
  to receive the echo. Maybe not loud enough for your
  purposes, but your description made me think of it.


  https://enoscientific.com/ww660/

bp



On 3/31/2020 3:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  I need to launch a large sound impulse down a
pipe.  Thinking of a starter pistol.  Banging on the
side of the pipe is not good enough.  
  Need a loud pop that I can do over and over. 
Whatever makes the noise need to be small.  
  Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that
could produce an impulse sharp and loud enough.  
  Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy
caps would be loud enough or not.

  
  
  




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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Daniel White

Thanks for clarifying for me Mark.  If someone is interested in becoming
a WISPA member because of this I'd be happy to reach out to Steve on
your behalf (and I'm sure Mark would be too) to clarify if he would do
any additional ones for free.

It was incredibly generous of him to offer the 33 that were submitted at
no cost... and I'm not used to calling lawyers generous :-)

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Mark Radabaugh wrote on 3/31/20 15:50:
> I don’t think that Steve has extended the ‘free’ offer beyond the
> initial offer - though obviously I can’t speak for him.  
>
> To be clear - Steve did this on his own dime for the WISPA members
> that responded to his original email.  
>
> Mark
>
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Daniel White > > wrote:
>>
>> Steve Coran is doing it for free for WISPA Members.
>>
>> Cheaper to buy a WISPA Membership then pay a law firm $1k for most.
>>
>> I think these STAs will be extended out to about 6 months... and by
>> then hopefully the FCC publishes an R to make it permanent.  It was
>> already making its way through the system so this will help speed it up.
>>
>> photograph   
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>
>> Eric Muehleisen wrote on 3/31/20 14:09:
>>> Submit a "me too" waiver/application to the FCC based off the WISPA
>>> application. I think there are a handful of law firms that can do
>>> this for you for under $1k. We asked for 90 days or until school
>>> resumes in August. If you need it longer, just submit an extension.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:01 PM >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> If only someone knew the answers to these
>>> questions...
>>>  
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>>  
>>> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long
>>> term capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some
>>> quick capacity increases with little or no tower work. 
>>> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson
>>> mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those
>>> APs back to the original congested 5GHz space. 
>>> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel
>>> for 60 days, maybe someone else in the vicinity might start
>>> using it since it’s clearer now?
>>>  
>>>
 On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes
 >>> > wrote:
  
 Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the
 possibility to renew it should this continue .

 On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron
 >>> > wrote:

> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.  
> From what I have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
>  
>  
>  
> *From:* AF  > *On Behalf
> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>  
> How permanent is this likely to be?
> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out
> the software without much effort.
> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before
> they can sell them?
>  
> *From:* SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9
>  
> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the
> 5.9 band to increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>  
> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>  
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Tim Hardy

It’s actually the DSRC band, 5850 - 5925 MHz below the licensed point-to-point 
6 GHz band.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:46 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> Lol...5.9 to 6.1 GHz is flooded in most of our areaRF signals don't stop 
> at US Mexico border ese homies! 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 12:55 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to 
>> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD long distance usage

Local WISP has 8 mile link... getting 500mbps

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 12:37 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> We've done several links in the 3-4 mile range with 24ghz... they drop
> pretty regularly, but I don't know that 6 miles would be too much
> different, as far as that goes. I'm pretty sure you won't get full capacity
> out of it at that distance, but you should be able to get 400Mbps.
>
> Considering the price of the AF24HD, I'd personally go for 80ghz instead.
> Availability is probably theoretically a little worse, but my experience
> has been that a storm that takes out an 80ghz link is going to take out
> 24ghz too, it might be down for slightly less time, but I haven't really
> seen a big difference between the two.
>
> You can get a Siklu 2Gbps link with 2' dishes for $4400 right now, which
> last I checked, is about $1000 cheaper than an AF24HD link.
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:15 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a 6 mile regular AF24.  It does 550Mbps…. Until it rains.  Then it
>> drops pretty quickly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-985-5912
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:49 PM
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>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD long distance usage
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm trying to determine if I am a nut for even considering a 6 mile
>> link with airfiber 24 HD. We need up 400mbps FDX. Airlink says that we will
>> get 1.5gig at that distance. We will have a second link up as a rollover
>> with greatly reduced bandwidth to cover rain fade. Has anyone done a link
>> this long with 24HD? Licensed is out of the question for the time being as
>> is 5ghz. So... trying to think outside of the box.
>>
>> Suggestions welcome.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

Lol...5.9 to 6.1 GHz is flooded in most of our areaRF signals don't
stop at US Mexico border ese homies!

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 12:55 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>
>
>
> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Mark Radabaugh

Did you notify the other license holders in the state?   I think that was a 
condition of the STA.

Mark

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> Lets just put it this way. If there are 300 WISPS nationwide that have 
> requested STA's and are show that they can deliver better service in this 60 
> day window I think there would be a whole lot better chance of the FCC 
> considering making this permanent than if there was only 33 WISPS. Cambium 
> sent us our new firmware last friday for our PMP450 and we fired it right 
> away and it works as expected. 45mhz of CLEAN spectrum. Love it.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:28 PM Peter Kranz via AF  > wrote:
> PS.. Radio service code QQ
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Lets just put it this way. If there are 300 WISPS nationwide that have
requested STA's and are show that they can deliver better service in this
60 day window I think there would be a whole lot better chance of the FCC
considering making this permanent than if there was only 33 WISPS. Cambium
sent us our new firmware last friday for our PMP450 and we fired it right
away and it works as expected. 45mhz of CLEAN spectrum. Love it.

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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD long distance usage

2020-03-31 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

$600 more and you can get an Aviat 80ghz link that does 10gbps

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:37 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> We've done several links in the 3-4 mile range with 24ghz... they drop
> pretty regularly, but I don't know that 6 miles would be too much
> different, as far as that goes. I'm pretty sure you won't get full capacity
> out of it at that distance, but you should be able to get 400Mbps.
>
> Considering the price of the AF24HD, I'd personally go for 80ghz instead.
> Availability is probably theoretically a little worse, but my experience
> has been that a storm that takes out an 80ghz link is going to take out
> 24ghz too, it might be down for slightly less time, but I haven't really
> seen a big difference between the two.
>
> You can get a Siklu 2Gbps link with 2' dishes for $4400 right now, which
> last I checked, is about $1000 cheaper than an AF24HD link.
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:15 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a 6 mile regular AF24.  It does 550Mbps…. Until it rains.  Then it
>> drops pretty quickly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-985-5912
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
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>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD long distance usage
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm trying to determine if I am a nut for even considering a 6 mile
>> link with airfiber 24 HD. We need up 400mbps FDX. Airlink says that we will
>> get 1.5gig at that distance. We will have a second link up as a rollover
>> with greatly reduced bandwidth to cover rain fade. Has anyone done a link
>> this long with 24HD? Licensed is out of the question for the time being as
>> is 5ghz. So... trying to think outside of the box.
>>
>> Suggestions welcome.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

2020-03-31 Thread Steve Jones

matt said the world would be dead by now


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 6:44 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Bahahaha.
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM,   wrote:
>
> And Matt was right all along...
>
>
> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
>> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
>> it's not the flu?
>>
>> 2019-nCoV has a* 14 week incubation period*... meaning spreading is
>> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
>> dangerous.
>>
>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
>> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the
>> world.
>>
>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to
>> get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very
>> long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>>
>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
>> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>>
>> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
>> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities
>> outside of mainland China.
>>
>> Just stay away from bat soup.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused
>> China to:
>>
>> Send the president into hiding
>> Build several emergency hospitals
>> Lock down major cities
>> Extend the CNY
>> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>> Daily fumigation of streets
>> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
>> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>>
>> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone
>> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all
>> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in
>> Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.
>>
>> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we
>> don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > mailto:part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is
>> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the
>> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles
>> by comparison is rated at 15).
>>
>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
>>
>> Fear driven journalism.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>> the map
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones > mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> this is the Johns Hopkins map
>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
>> dirtiest on the planet.
>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>>
>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof > mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
>> their stuff is made in China?
>>
>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
>> to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
>> year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact
>> their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
>> won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
>> that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
>> assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
>> supplies may be affected.
>>
>> *From:* AF > mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Rex-List
>> Account
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 9:58 AM
>> *To:* AF@af.afmug.com mailto:AF@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>>
>> What’s up with the Ubiguiti stock

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

2020-03-31 Thread Matt Hoppes

Bahahaha. 

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM,   wrote:
> 
> And Matt was right all along...
>  
> 
>>> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
>>> It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not 
>>> the flu? 
>>> 
>>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
>>> before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous. 
>>> 
>>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
>>> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the 
>>> world. 
>>> 
>>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to 
>>> get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very 
>>> long lag and we are currently sitting in it. 
>>> 
>>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
>>> health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere? 
>>> 
 On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 
 You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
 reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
 fatalities outside of mainland China. 
 
 Just stay away from bat soup. 
 
 
 bp 
  
 
> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 
> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
> China to: 
> 
> Send the president into hiding 
> Build several emergency hospitals 
> Lock down major cities 
> Extend the CNY 
> In some cases barricade people in their homes 
> Daily fumigation of streets 
> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies 
> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine 
> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information 
> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums 
> 
> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained 
> in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in 
> cases. 
> 
> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
> don’t that they are willing to risk their economy? 
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > mailto:part15...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is 
>> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
>> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15). 
>> 
>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 
>> 
>> Fear driven journalism. 
>> 
>> 
>> bp 
>>  
>> 
>>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 
>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>  the map 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones >> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> this is the Johns Hopkins map 
>>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have 
>>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread 
>>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who 
>>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in 
>>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small 
>>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
>>> dirtiest on the planet. 
>>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will 
>>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people. 
>>> 
>>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player 
>>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof >> mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has 
>>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all 
>>> their stuff is made in China? 
>>> 
>>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting 
>>> to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this 
>>> year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact 
>>> their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it 
>>> won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area 
>>> that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and 
>>> assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV 
>>> supplies may be affected.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

And Matt was right all along...

On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF. We've only just started.
It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not the
flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening
before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
going on and what's going to be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the
world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to
get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very long
lag and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the
health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities
outside of mainland China.

Just stay away from bat soup.

On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused
China to:

Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone
dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all respond
with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and
things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we
don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?

On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate
is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the
infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by
comparison is rated at 15).

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that
fatal.

Fear driven journalism.

On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
the map

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

this is the Johns Hopkins map
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
their stuff is made in China?

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are
starting
to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
year. I know China will try not to let the virus impact
their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how
it
won’t. It could also spread to other countries in the area
that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
assembly work. I have already seen some predictions that
TV
supplies may be affected.

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*Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 9:58 AM

[AFMUG] OT First mention of Corona

I think this was the first mention.
I should have sold all my stock...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:02 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky

Well, you could buy Constellation Brands, maker of Corona beer.

According to the Internet, it either causes or cures the coronavirus.  So it 
could go up or down.  Apparently they are also in the marijuana business.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky

Yeah, just gonna let it ride.  Hopefully I get to keep most of it.

Sent from my iPhone

  On Jan 30, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  You haven't gotten lucky yet unless you sold.

  On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:31 PM  wrote:

My FXAIX index fund YTD is 31.4%

S 500 is 22%

Of course a correction is coming, it always does, but it has been a great 
year.  

I was too chicken to buy Tesla.  185 back in May.  643 today.  

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Peter Kranz via AF

PS.. Radio service code QQ

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Peter Kranz via AF

https://www.fcc.gov/applying-special-temporary-authority

 

From: David Coudron  
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 4:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] 5.9

 

Any idea what we are looking for in ULS?   I have been poking around and don’t 
see anything that looks like an STA application.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

The power hammer should be the right thing.  I know the cement and framing guys 
use hammers that use .22 blanks.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

We have some loads for a power hammer that may work.  Else we will just pull 
the bullet off a regular 22 short and either crimp it or put some soap in it.

From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

You can use a regular pistol and regular blanks.   I bought a lot of these for 
my uncle who was the coordinator for track and field in Hawaii.   We just 
bought regular blanks even thought they had starting pistols, so you can use 
them in a regular pistol.   He mixed black powder and regular powder.   Black 
powder for official races, regular for practice.   .22 and a .22 pistol should 
work well.   I wouldn’t mess with the black powder though as it is tough on the 
pistol and harder to get.   Let me know if you have a tough time finding them, 
I might be able to help.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

No we just want the shortest loudest sound we can get initially.  I will get it 
dialed in after some initial testing.
The problem with the starter pistol is that I think the sound comes out of an 
area that is somewhat diffuse.  If we put a blank in a pistol then the sound 
should come from the barrel.

From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

Starter pistol would be significantly louder and is pretty cheap to use if you 
need to do this often.   You can get .22 or .32 caliber blanks.   Don’t bother 
with the black powder blanks, they are harder to get and cost more.   The black 
powder only helps if you need visual verification of the shot before the noise 
reaches you (like the timer in a race).

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT new project

I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter 
pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.
Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise need to 
be small.
Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse sharp 
and loud enough.
Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough or 
not.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

We have some loads for a power hammer that may work.  Else we will just pull 
the bullet off a regular 22 short and either crimp it or put some soap in it.  

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

You can use a regular pistol and regular blanks.   I bought a lot of these for 
my uncle who was the coordinator for track and field in Hawaii.   We just 
bought regular blanks even thought they had starting pistols, so you can use 
them in a regular pistol.   He mixed black powder and regular powder.   Black 
powder for official races, regular for practice.   .22 and a .22 pistol should 
work well.   I wouldn’t mess with the black powder though as it is tough on the 
pistol and harder to get.   Let me know if you have a tough time finding them, 
I might be able to help.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

No we just want the shortest loudest sound we can get initially.  I will get it 
dialed in after some initial testing.  

The problem with the starter pistol is that I think the sound comes out of an 
area that is somewhat diffuse.  If we put a blank in a pistol then the sound 
should come from the barrel.  

From: David Coudron 

Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:06 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

Starter pistol would be significantly louder and is pretty cheap to use if you 
need to do this often.   You can get .22 or .32 caliber blanks.   Don’t bother 
with the black powder blanks, they are harder to get and cost more.   The black 
powder only helps if you need visual verification of the shot before the noise 
reaches you (like the timer in a race).   

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT new project

I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter 
pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.  

Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise need to 
be small.  

Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse sharp 
and loud enough.  

Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough or 
not.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

Is it noisy?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 4:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

We have one of these on our water well. It works by sending a pulse down the 
well and times how long it takes to receive the echo. Maybe not loud enough for 
your purposes, but your description made me think of it.

  https://enoscientific.com/ww660/

bp

On 3/31/2020 3:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter 
pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.  
  Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise need 
to be small.  
  Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse sharp 
and loud enough.  
  Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough or 
not.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

You can use a regular pistol and regular blanks.   I bought a lot of these for 
my uncle who was the coordinator for track and field in Hawaii.   We just 
bought regular blanks even thought they had starting pistols, so you can use 
them in a regular pistol.   He mixed black powder and regular powder.   Black 
powder for official races, regular for practice.   .22 and a .22 pistol should 
work well.   I wouldn’t mess with the black powder though as it is tough on the 
pistol and harder to get.   Let me know if you have a tough time finding them, 
I might be able to help.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

No we just want the shortest loudest sound we can get initially.  I will get it 
dialed in after some initial testing.
The problem with the starter pistol is that I think the sound comes out of an 
area that is somewhat diffuse.  If we put a blank in a pistol then the sound 
should come from the barrel.

From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

Starter pistol would be significantly louder and is pretty cheap to use if you 
need to do this often.   You can get .22 or .32 caliber blanks.   Don’t bother 
with the black powder blanks, they are harder to get and cost more.   The black 
powder only helps if you need visual verification of the shot before the noise 
reaches you (like the timer in a race).

Regards,

David Coudron
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ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT new project

I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter 
pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.
Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise need to 
be small.
Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse sharp 
and loud enough.
Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough or 
not.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

No we just want the shortest loudest sound we can get initially.  I will get it 
dialed in after some initial testing.  
The problem with the starter pistol is that I think the sound comes out of an 
area that is somewhat diffuse.  If we put a blank in a pistol then the sound 
should come from the barrel.  

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

Starter pistol would be significantly louder and is pretty cheap to use if you 
need to do this often.   You can get .22 or .32 caliber blanks.   Don’t bother 
with the black powder blanks, they are harder to get and cost more.   The black 
powder only helps if you need visual verification of the shot before the noise 
reaches you (like the timer in a race).   

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT new project

I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter 
pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.  

Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise need to 
be small.  

Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse sharp 
and loud enough.  

Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough or 
not.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

Is it a click or tone or ?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 4:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

We have one of these on our water well. It works by sending a pulse down the 
well and times how long it takes to receive the echo. Maybe not loud enough for 
your purposes, but your description made me think of it.

  https://enoscientific.com/ww660/

bp

On 3/31/2020 3:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter 
pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.  
  Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise need 
to be small.  
  Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse sharp 
and loud enough.  
  Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough or 
not.

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

Any idea what we are looking for in ULS?   I have been poking around and don’t 
see anything that looks like an STA application.

Regards,

David Coudron
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The process of asking for your own emergency STA is not too difficult using ULS.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

Starter pistol would be significantly louder and is pretty cheap to use if you 
need to do this often.   You can get .22 or .32 caliber blanks.   Don't bother 
with the black powder blanks, they are harder to get and cost more.   The black 
powder only helps if you need visual verification of the shot before the noise 
reaches you (like the timer in a race).

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT new project

I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter 
pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.
Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise need to 
be small.
Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse sharp 
and loud enough.
Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough or 
not.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project


  
  
We have one of these on our water well. It works by sending a
  pulse down the well and times how long it takes to receive the
  echo. Maybe not loud enough for your purposes, but your
  description made me think of it.


  https://enoscientific.com/ww660/



bp



On 3/31/2020 3:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe. 
Thinking of a starter pistol.  Banging on the side of the
pipe is not good enough.  
  Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever
makes the noise need to be small.  
  Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could
produce an impulse sharp and loud enough.  
  Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps
would be loud enough or not.

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

Not doing a tone.  Just one loud pop.  I did think of the bose, but not sure 
how loud of an impulse it might do.
We will shoot a pistol with a blank down the pipe tomorrow and see what 
happens.  I can attenuate the pistol in steps to see how much we really need.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 4:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

I would use a speaker that fits that size pipe, then an audio source. That 
would be most flexible depending on your need for the frequency of the sound. 
Kind of like the Bose Wave radio.

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

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Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:17 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT new project

I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter 
pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.  

Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise need to 
be small.  

Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse sharp 
and loud enough.  

Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough or 
not.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

2020-03-31 Thread Brian Webster

I would use a speaker that fits that size pipe, then an audio source. That
would be most flexible depending on your need for the frequency of the
sound. Kind of like the Bose Wave radio.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:17 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT new project

 

I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter
pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.  

Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise need
to be small.  

Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse sharp
and loud enough.  

Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

2020-03-31 Thread Jay Weekley


Air horn?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe. Thinking of a 
starter pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.
Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise 
need to be small.
Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse 
sharp and loud enough.
Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud 
enough or not.





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pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.  
Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise need to 
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Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse sharp 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I did bare minimum d- work in HS but college was 3.77.

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I was a Sales Engineer once :-)  My GPA in High School was around 2.7 because I 
outright refused to do homework but did great at anything in class.  Anyone 
that knew me was always shocked when I told them my GPA.  My younger brother 
was the 4.0 Valedictorian though... but avoided any hardwork in College and got 
one of those degrees that in of itself isn't worth much.  I did one semester of 
community college and said this is just like K-12 and dropped out and joined 
the Marines (I probably would have done far better at a good 4 year school).

I had childhood asthma which really hurt my capabilities to keep up in any 
activity that was physical, and it wasn't until I was in the Marines that I 
really figured out how far I could push myself.  So I was used to being picked 
last but it never bothered me.

I've not kept up with anyone from high school, but when I have people have 
landed mostly where I would have thought they would.

 Daniel White
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direct: +1 (702) 470-2766

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 3/29/20 13:07:

  I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that have 
done very very well.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

  One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a 
very good student.  Later he attributed his success in life to his poor GPA.  
He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job (didn’t help there was a 
recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or sales 
engineer.  Within a few years he had his own company.  Probably the most 
successful of any in our group.

  https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

  In gym class I was never an early draft.  Usually near the last.

  I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out.  I did 
it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something 
extracurricular.  This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined the 
local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the rules to football.  
Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the other goal, don't use 
hands.  Football has a lot of rules.  The coaches never explained how to 
actually play and I never asked.  I just sort of tried to emulate the kids 
around me to get through the games.  I never figured out what a "down" was 
until I was in high school.  

  I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't say 
how they're doing in life. 

  On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:

Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were 
assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were 
you picked?

I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.  

The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple 
spouses, menial jobs etc.  

Who won?

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Peter Kranz via AF

The process of asking for your own emergency STA is not too difficult using 
ULS. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Mark Radabaugh

I don’t think that Steve has extended the ‘free’ offer beyond the initial offer 
- though obviously I can’t speak for him.  

To be clear - Steve did this on his own dime for the WISPA members that 
responded to his original email.  

Mark

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
> 
> Steve Coran is doing it for free for WISPA Members.
> 
> Cheaper to buy a WISPA Membership then pay a law firm $1k for most.
> 
> I think these STAs will be extended out to about 6 months... and by then 
> hopefully the FCC publishes an R to make it permanent.  It was already 
> making its way through the system so this will help speed it up.
> 
>   
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
> Eric Muehleisen wrote on 3/31/20 14:09:
>> Submit a "me too" waiver/application to the FCC based off the WISPA 
>> application. I think there are a handful of law firms that can do this for 
>> you for under $1k. We asked for 90 days or until school resumes in August. 
>> If you need it longer, just submit an extension.
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:01 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> If only someone knew the answers to these questions...
>>  
>> From: Mathew Howard <>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>  
>> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term 
>> capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity 
>> increases with little or no tower work. 
>> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...
>>  
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson < <>c...@infowest.com 
>> > wrote:
>> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the 
>> original congested 5GHz space. 
>> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days, 
>> maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer 
>> now?
>>  
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes < 
>>> <>mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
>>> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it 
>>> should this continue .
>>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron < <>david.coud...@advantenon.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
 The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I have 
 read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
  
 Regards,
  
 David Coudron
  
  
  
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 Behalf Of  <>ch...@wbmfg.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
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 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
  
 How permanent is this likely to be?
 One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software 
 without much effort.
 But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell 
 them?
  
 From: SmarterBroadband
 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
 To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9
  
 So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to 
 increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
  
 What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
  
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Daniel White

Steve Coran is doing it for free for WISPA Members.

Cheaper to buy a WISPA Membership then pay a law firm $1k for most.

I think these STAs will be extended out to about 6 months... and by then
hopefully the FCC publishes an R to make it permanent.  It was already
making its way through the system so this will help speed it up.

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Eric Muehleisen wrote on 3/31/20 14:09:
> Submit a "me too" waiver/application to the FCC based off the WISPA
> application. I think there are a handful of law firms that can do this
> for you for under $1k. We asked for 90 days or until school resumes in
> August. If you need it longer, just submit an extension.
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:01 PM  > wrote:
>
> If only someone knew the answers to these
> questions...
>  
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>  
> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long
> term capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some
> quick capacity increases with little or no tower work.
> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...
>  
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson
>  wrote:
>
> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs
> back to the original congested 5GHz space. 
> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel
> for 60 days, maybe someone else in the vicinity might start
> using it since it’s clearer now?
>  
>
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the
>> possibility to renew it should this continue .
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.  
>>> From what I have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>>  
>>> David Coudron
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf
>>> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>>  
>>> How permanent is this likely to be?
>>> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the
>>> software without much effort.
>>> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before
>>> they can sell them?
>>>  
>>> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9
>>>  
>>> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the
>>> 5.9 band to increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>>>  
>>> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>>>  
>>> Adam
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

2020-03-31 Thread Daniel White

I was a Sales Engineer once :-)  My GPA in High School was around 2.7
because I outright refused to do homework but did great at anything in
class.  Anyone that knew me was always shocked when I told them my GPA. 
My younger brother was the 4.0 Valedictorian though... but avoided any
hardwork in College and got one of those degrees that in of itself isn't
worth much.  I did one semester of community college and said this is
just like K-12 and dropped out and joined the Marines (I probably would
have done far better at a good 4 year school).

I had childhood asthma which really hurt my capabilities to keep up in
any activity that was physical, and it wasn't until I was in the Marines
that I really figured out how far I could push myself.  So I was used to
being picked last but it never bothered me.

I've not kept up with anyone from high school, but when I have people
have landed mostly where I would have thought they would.

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ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 3/29/20 13:07:
> I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that
> have done very very well. 
>  
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>  
>
> One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but
> not a very good student.  Later he attributed his success in life to
> his poor GPA.  He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job
> (didn’t help there was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an
> applications engineer or sales engineer.  Within a few years he had
> his own company.  Probably the most successful of any in our group.
>
>  
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>
>  
>
> In gym class I was never an early draft.  Usually near the last.
>
> I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out. 
> I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to
> do something extracurricular.  This is a bit of an embarrassing story,
> but when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any
> of the rules to football.  Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick
> towards the other goal, don't use hands.  Football has a lot of
> rules.  The coaches never explained how to actually play and I never
> asked.  I just sort of tried to emulate the kids around me to get
> through the games.  I never figured out what a "down" was until I was
> in high school. 
>
> I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I
> couldn't say how they're doing in life.
>
>  
>
> On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:
>
>  
>
> Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes
> were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near
> the front were you picked?
>
>  
>
> I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last. 
>
> The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. 
> Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. 
>
>  
>
> Who won?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Mark Radabaugh

This is an open proceeding to make this permanent:  
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-361339A1.pdf 


The auto industry hates it and they are lobbying hard in Congress to prevent 
the FCC from making the change.

That we were able to get STA’s shows the FCC is interested in making this a 
fait accompli.   The more companies that show use of the spectrum, that lobby 
their representatives, and that show good use the the spectrum the more 
ammunition the FCC has in making this permanent.

Please - use it.  Tell your congress critters that you need it.   Show that you 
are serving a demand with it. 

Mark


Mark Radabaugh
WISPA Policy Committee Chair
419-261-5996

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:11 PM, David Coudron  
> wrote:
> 
> That is why we haven’t pursued it.   Making the change for what could be 60 
> days only doesn’t seem worth the hassle.   Especially when you vacate 
> channels that are working for you now.  If it is likely we’ll have to move 
> back into the 5 GHz normal channels, we dare not vacate them.   I think we’d 
> be pretty interested if there was a good chance we wouldn’t have to move back.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:00 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>  
> If only someone knew the answers to these questions...
>  
> From: Mathew Howard
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>  
> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term 
> capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity 
> increases with little or no tower work.
> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...
>  
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson  > wrote:
> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the 
> original congested 5GHz space. 
> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days, 
> maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer 
> now?
>  
> 
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes  > wrote:
>  
> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it 
> should this continue .
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron  > wrote:
> 
> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I have 
> read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
>  
>  
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>  
> How permanent is this likely to be?
> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software without 
> much effort.
> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell them?
>  
> From: SmarterBroadband
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9
>  
> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to 
> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>  
> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>  
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

My snarky comment was more along the line of:  “Gee if only there was a 
manufacturer on this list that could actually answer some of this”.  

From: Eric Muehleisen 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 2:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

Submit a "me too" waiver/application to the FCC based off the WISPA 
application. I think there are a handful of law firms that can do this for you 
for under $1k. We asked for 90 days or until school resumes in August. If you 
need it longer, just submit an extension.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:01 PM  wrote:

  If only someone knew the answers to these questions...

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

  I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term 
capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity 
increases with little or no tower work. 
  I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...

  On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the 
original congested 5GHz space.  
Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days, 
maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer now?

  On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew 
it should this continue .

  On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron  
wrote:

The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I 
have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

How permanent is this likely to be?
One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software 
without much effort.
But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell 
them?

From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9

So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to 
increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.

What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?

Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

That is why we haven’t pursued it.   Making the change for what could be 60 
days only doesn’t seem worth the hassle.   Especially when you vacate channels 
that are working for you now.  If it is likely we’ll have to move back into the 
5 GHz normal channels, we dare not vacate them.   I think we’d be pretty 
interested if there was a good chance we wouldn’t have to move back.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

If only someone knew the answers to these questions...

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term capacity, 
but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity increases with 
little or no tower work.
I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote:
My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the 
original congested 5GHz space.
Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days, maybe 
someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer now?



On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:

Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it 
should this continue .

On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I have 
read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.

Regards,

David Coudron



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

How permanent is this likely to be?
One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software without 
much effort.
But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell them?

From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9

So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to increase 
bandwidth during the Covid crisis.

What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Eric Muehleisen

Submit a "me too" waiver/application to the FCC based off the WISPA
application. I think there are a handful of law firms that can do this for
you for under $1k. We asked for 90 days or until school resumes in August.
If you need it longer, just submit an extension.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:01 PM  wrote:

> If only someone knew the answers to these questions...
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>
> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term
> capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity
> increases with little or no tower work.
> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
>> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the
>> original congested 5GHz space.
>> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days,
>> maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer
>> now?
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew
>> it should this continue .
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I
>> have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>
>> How permanent is this likely to be?
>> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software
>> without much effort.
>> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell
>> them?
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9
>>
>> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
>> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>>
>> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>>
>> Adam
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If only someone knew the answers to these questions...

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term capacity, 
but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity increases with 
little or no tower work. 
I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

  My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the 
original congested 5GHz space.  
  Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days, 
maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer now?

On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it 
should this continue .

On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron  
wrote:

  The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I 
have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.

  Regards,

  David Coudron

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

  How permanent is this likely to be?
  One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software 
without much effort.
  But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell 
them?

  From: SmarterBroadband
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
  Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9

  So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to 
increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.

  What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

I really think this needs to be done.  How much is a wix site...

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

It's unregistered..

When is Steve's birthday?  This is the perfect gift.


On 3/31/2020 2:50 PM, James Howard wrote:

  www.thebackofstevestruck.commaybe?

   

   

  Disclaimer:  I was scared to check if that was actually a real site so if you 
click it and anything bad happens it’s not my fault

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:37 PM
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  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

   

  Do you have a link to this unit?

   

  Thank you,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

   

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Mathew Howard

I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term
capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity
increases with little or no tower work.
I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the
> original congested 5GHz space.
> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days,
> maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer
> now?
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it
> should this continue .
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I have
> read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>
> How permanent is this likely to be?
> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software
> without much effort.
> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell
> them?
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9
>
> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>
> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope


It's unregistered..

When is Steve's birthday?  This is the perfect gift.

On 3/31/2020 2:50 PM, James Howard wrote:


www.thebackofstevestruck.com  maybe?

Disclaimer: I was scared to check if that was actually a real site so 
if you click it and anything bad happens it’s not my fault


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Do you have a link to this unit?

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com 

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Matt Hoppes


This isn't to move off.. this is to add... augment... capacity.

On 3/31/20 3:18 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to 
the original congested 5GHz space.
Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 
days, maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s 
clearer now?



On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to 
renew it should this continue .


On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> 
wrote:


The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I 
have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.

Regards,
David Coudron
*From:*AF >*On Behalf Of*ch...@wbmfg.com 


*Sent:*Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
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*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
How permanent is this likely to be?
One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software 
without much effort.
But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can 
sell them?

*From:*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:*Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*[AFMUG] 5.9
So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band 
to increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.

What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

2020-03-31 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

it means you give them money and you “wish” it’ll make it here from China. Hah

 We ordered some stuff for a wedding reception from wish, and it never showed. 

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:11 PM,   wrote:
> 
> My wife and son and an employee all just told me that I may never get it 
> because it was on wish.  I don’t know what wish is.  
>  
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com <>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:55 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope
>  
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>  <>
>  
> From: Brian Webster <>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope
>  
> Do you have a link to this unit?
>  
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:52 PM
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>  
> Just bought a brand new digital oscilloscope for $24.  Freaking amazing.
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the 
original congested 5GHz space. 
Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days, maybe 
someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer now?


> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it 
> should this continue .
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron  > wrote:
> 
>> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I have 
>> read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> David Coudron
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>> Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>  
>> How permanent is this likely to be?
>> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software without 
>> much effort.
>> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell them?
>>  
>> From: SmarterBroadband
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>  
>> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to 
>> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>>  
>> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Mathew Howard

The FCC has been talking about adding that 45mhz to the top of the 5ghz
band for awhile, so there's a pretty good chance it will become permanent.

I assume pretty much any 5ghz radio out there can probably support it with
a firmware update, but I wonder what these 33 companies are using... they'd
have to be working with a manufacturer for this to be much use.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:57 PM  wrote:

> How permanent is this likely to be?
> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software
> without much effort.
> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell
> them?
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9
>
>
> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>
>
>
> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>
>
>
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread Mike Hammett

Cambium has already sent firmware to at least some of the WISPs that got an 
STA. I know ePMP, I would assume PMP as well. 




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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:56:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 




How permanent is this likely to be? 
One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software without 
much effort. 
But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell them? 




From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9 



So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to increase 
bandwidth during the Covid crisis. 

What gear will support this? 450? ePMP? 

Adam 

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

How permanent is this likely to be?
One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software without 
much effort.
But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell them?

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9

So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to increase 
bandwidth during the Covid crisis.

What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

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From: Brian Webster 
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To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

Do you have a link to this unit?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

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[AFMUG] 5.9

2020-03-31 Thread SmarterBroadband

So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.

 

What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

Yep, easter egg must have hatched or something.  It is gone.

-Original Message- 
From: Andrew Haninger

Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

This guy? https://hackaday.com/2014/04/26/playing-tetris-on-an-oscilloscope/

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:26 PM  wrote:

I still have a few with CRTs in them.  My favorite hp had a tetris easter 
egg in it but I cannot figure out how to trigger it anymore.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

I have a decent one I got from a neighbor for free.

bp

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Just bought a brand new digital oscilloscope for $24.  Freaking amazing.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

2020-03-31 Thread Jay Weekley


Did the oscilloscope warehouse mysteriously burn down shortly afterward?

Adam Moffett wrote:


Steve found it in the back of his truck after driving past the 
oscilloscope warehouse?


On 3/31/2020 1:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

2020-03-31 Thread James Howard

www.thebackofstevestruck.commaybe?


Disclaimer:  I was scared to check if that was actually a real site so if you 
click it and anything bad happens it's not my fault

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:37 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

Do you have a link to this unit?

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com

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ch...@wbmfg.com
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Subject: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

Just bought a brand new digital oscilloscope for $24.  Freaking amazing.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

I think my easter eggs died.  Yep this is the one.  Going to have to go give 
it a try again.

-Original Message- 
From: Andrew Haninger

Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

This guy? https://hackaday.com/2014/04/26/playing-tetris-on-an-oscilloscope/

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:26 PM  wrote:

I still have a few with CRTs in them.  My favorite hp had a tetris easter 
egg in it but I cannot figure out how to trigger it anymore.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

I have a decent one I got from a neighbor for free.

bp

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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

2020-03-31 Thread Brian Webster

Do you have a link to this unit?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:52 PM
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Subject: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

 

Just bought a brand new digital oscilloscope for $24.  Freaking amazing.

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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD long distance usage

2020-03-31 Thread Mathew Howard

We've done several links in the 3-4 mile range with 24ghz... they drop
pretty regularly, but I don't know that 6 miles would be too much
different, as far as that goes. I'm pretty sure you won't get full capacity
out of it at that distance, but you should be able to get 400Mbps.

Considering the price of the AF24HD, I'd personally go for 80ghz instead.
Availability is probably theoretically a little worse, but my experience
has been that a storm that takes out an 80ghz link is going to take out
24ghz too, it might be down for slightly less time, but I haven't really
seen a big difference between the two.

You can get a Siklu 2Gbps link with 2' dishes for $4400 right now, which
last I checked, is about $1000 cheaper than an AF24HD link.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:15 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> I have a 6 mile regular AF24.  It does 550Mbps…. Until it rains.  Then it
> drops pretty quickly.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD long distance usage
>
>
>
> I'm trying to determine if I am a nut for even considering a 6 mile
> link with airfiber 24 HD. We need up 400mbps FDX. Airlink says that we will
> get 1.5gig at that distance. We will have a second link up as a rollover
> with greatly reduced bandwidth to cover rain fade. Has anyone done a link
> this long with 24HD? Licensed is out of the question for the time being as
> is 5ghz. So... trying to think outside of the box.
>
> Suggestions welcome.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

2020-03-31 Thread Andrew Haninger

This guy? https://hackaday.com/2014/04/26/playing-tetris-on-an-oscilloscope/

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:26 PM  wrote:
>
> I still have a few with CRTs in them.  My favorite hp had a tetris easter egg 
> in it but I cannot figure out how to trigger it anymore.
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:11 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope
>
>
> I have a decent one I got from a neighbor for free.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/31/2020 10:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Just bought a brand new digital oscilloscope for $24.  Freaking amazing.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

I still have a few with CRTs in them.  My favorite hp had a tetris easter egg 
in it but I cannot figure out how to trigger it anymore.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope

I have a decent one I got from a neighbor for free.

bp

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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD long distance usage

2020-03-31 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]

I have a 6 mile regular AF24.  It does 550Mbps…. Until it rains.  Then it drops 
pretty quickly.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD long distance usage

I'm trying to determine if I am a nut for even considering a 6 mile link with 
airfiber 24 HD. We need up 400mbps FDX. Airlink says that we will get 1.5gig at 
that distance. We will have a second link up as a rollover with greatly reduced 
bandwidth to cover rain fade. Has anyone done a link this long with 24HD? 
Licensed is out of the question for the time being as is 5ghz. So... trying to 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT oscilloscope


  
  
I have a decent one I got from a neighbor for free.

bp



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  Just bought a brand new digital oscilloscope for $24. 
Freaking amazing.

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] 450 5ghz SM's Got any to sell?

I am looking for the Old style used at a discounted price 450 SM's that pop
onto reflector dishes. 450b's are available and shipping.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:47 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Maybe the need is unclear.  Are you looking for used radios at a discount
> from new price?   Or are you looking for the discontinued SM that goes on a
> reflector dish (good luck with that).  Or are you saying distributors are
> out of the 450b mid or high gain that you want to purchase?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 5ghz SM's Got any to sell?
>
>
>
> Maybe you find a guy you know has some. maybe that guy doesnt want to
> sell, maybe i get a text message with the guys house address, maybe the
> guys house burns down, maybe i get another text of the warehouse with the
> radios, maybe they fall into my truck, maybe the warehouse burns down,
> maby some of these radios fall off my truck near your office, maybe some
> money shows up in my paypal. Im just sayin, sometimes life is a little
> weird and things happen.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:06 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> Please reach out privately if you have anything in stock.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [AFMUG] 450 5ghz SM's Got any to sell?

2020-03-31 Thread Ken Hohhof

Toilet paper?  PPE?  Ventilators?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 5ghz SM's Got any to sell?

Would you trade for some whiskey that may have fallen off a truck?

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:27 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Maybe you find a guy you know has some. maybe that guy doesnt want to sell, 
maybe i get a text message with the guys house address, maybe the guys house 
burns down, maybe i get another text of the warehouse with the radios, maybe 
they fall into my truck, maybe the warehouse burns down, maby some of these 
radios fall off my truck near your office, maybe some money shows up in my 
paypal. Im just sayin, sometimes life is a little weird and things happen.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450 5ghz SM's Got any to sell?

And if you don't drink, I've got rolls and rolls of premium toilet paper
for cheap...

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> guys house burns down, maybe i get another text of the warehouse with the
> radios, maybe they fall into my truck, maybe the warehouse burns down,
> maby some of these radios fall off my truck near your office, maybe some
> money shows up in my paypal. Im just sayin, sometimes life is a little
> weird and things happen.
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Re: [AFMUG] 450 5ghz SM's Got any to sell?

2020-03-31 Thread Ken Hohhof

Maybe the need is unclear.  Are you looking for used radios at a discount from 
new price?   Or are you looking for the discontinued SM that goes on a 
reflector dish (good luck with that).  Or are you saying distributors are out 
of the 450b mid or high gain that you want to purchase?

 

 

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Maybe you find a guy you know has some. maybe that guy doesnt want to sell, 
maybe i get a text message with the guys house address, maybe the guys house 
burns down, maybe i get another text of the warehouse with the radios, maybe 
they fall into my truck, maybe the warehouse burns down, maby some of these 
radios fall off my truck near your office, maybe some money shows up in my 
paypal. Im just sayin, sometimes life is a little weird and things happen.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 450 5ghz SM's Got any to sell?

Would you trade for some whiskey that may have fallen off a truck?

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> Maybe you find a guy you know has some. maybe that guy doesnt want to
> sell, maybe i get a text message with the guys house address, maybe the
> guys house burns down, maybe i get another text of the warehouse with the
> radios, maybe they fall into my truck, maybe the warehouse burns down,
> maby some of these radios fall off my truck near your office, maybe some
> money shows up in my paypal. Im just sayin, sometimes life is a little
> weird and things happen.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 450 5ghz SM's Got any to sell?

2020-03-31 Thread Steve Jones

Maybe you find a guy you know has some. maybe that guy doesnt want to sell,
maybe i get a text message with the guys house address, maybe the guys
house burns down, maybe i get another text of the warehouse with the
radios, maybe they fall into my truck, maybe the warehouse burns down,
maby some of these radios fall off my truck near your office, maybe some
money shows up in my paypal. Im just sayin, sometimes life is a little
weird and things happen.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-03-31 Thread Nate Burke

It's a brand new product.  They used to make a really good outdoor patch 
cables that were US Stocked about 2 years ago.  I have several of them 
deployed, but then they stopped making them.  It sounds like for these, 
they are all custom made, so no stock.


On 3/31/2020 10:12 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
I didn't realize they were making "FTTA" patch cables now.  I have 
used the outdoor armored patch cables from FS in the past.  I'll check 
these out.. wish they stocked them in the US.


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


What is the ballpark?  $1/ft?  $5/ft?

Does the outdoor jacket come all the way to the LC Connector?

My order from Feburary of these
https://www.fs.com/products/97938.html is finally getting
delivered tomorrow.  I'm interested to see if the picture is
accurate.

On 3/31/2020 10:03 AM, dave wrote:

Best-tronics and its priced per foot
 It doesnt have the boot like cambium but I do believe they are
making it.
Call for pricing.


On 3/30/20 8:06 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing?

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2
pair pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10
hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at
250'
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms

https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC
those beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and
#8 stranded pairs up the tower for power.
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a
thing, let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths
you would want...

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt
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What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-03-31 Thread Josh Baird

I didn't realize they were making "FTTA" patch cables now.  I have used the
outdoor armored patch cables from FS in the past.  I'll check these out..
wish they stocked them in the US.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> What is the ballpark?  $1/ft?  $5/ft?
>
> Does the outdoor jacket come all the way to the LC Connector?
>
> My order from Feburary of these https://www.fs.com/products/97938.html is
> finally getting delivered tomorrow.  I'm interested to see if the picture
> is accurate.
>
> On 3/31/2020 10:03 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Best-tronics and its priced per foot
>  It doesnt have the boot like cambium but I do believe they are making it.
> Call for pricing.
>
>
> On 3/30/20 8:06 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing?
>
> On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:
>
> That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
> equivalent.
>  If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
> jacket or better for outdoor operation.
> We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid
> cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
> We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
> We also use Duracomms
> https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
> Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
> Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
> need lol.
> We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded
> pairs up the tower for power.
> Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.
>
>
> On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
> cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
> count, connector type and lengths you would want...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-03-31 Thread Nate Burke


What is the ballpark?  $1/ft?  $5/ft?

Does the outdoor jacket come all the way to the LC Connector?

My order from Feburary of these https://www.fs.com/products/97938.html 
is finally getting delivered tomorrow.  I'm interested to see if the 
picture is accurate.


On 3/31/2020 10:03 AM, dave wrote:

Best-tronics and its priced per foot
 It doesnt have the boot like cambium but I do believe they are making it.
Call for pricing.


On 3/30/20 8:06 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing?

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:
That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or 
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair 
pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 
hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'

We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms 
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/

Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those 
beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 
stranded pairs up the tower for power.

Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, 
let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would 
want...


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt > wrote:


What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-03-31 Thread dave


Best-tronics and its priced per foot
 It doesnt have the boot like cambium but I do believe they are making it.
Call for pricing.


On 3/30/20 8:06 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing?

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:
That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or 
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair 
pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid 
cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'

We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms 
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/

Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those 
beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 
stranded pairs up the tower for power.

Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, 
let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would 
want...


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt > wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-03-31 Thread can...@believewireless.net

Definitely stick with MST. Much less likely for climbers to damage.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:35 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> So would you use MST or OFDC if you had to do it again?
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:48 AM can...@believewireless.net <
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>> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.
>> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>>>
>>> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower


Yeah normally you would splice the OFDC's pigtails into the feeder.

On 3/31/2020 9:59 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
The OFDC requires you to manually splice the trunk, correct?  The MST 
may be a simpler solution for those that aren't comfortable splicing, 
since it comes with the fiber already attached/spliced.  Then, you 
just run jumpers from the MST to the radio.  Where do you buy 
Commscope from, btw?


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I've only used the OFDC-C12.  I didn't know there was more than
one kind until you asked the question.

Having looked at them, I'd still use the C-12.  It has space for
12 connectors.  I would do 12 LC Duplex so I can hook up the
entire 24F cable.  I can get a jumper to get from LC to whatever I
need at the radio.



On 3/30/2020 9:32 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that
you are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar
situation right now.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable
assemblies.  I went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a
loose tube so there wouldn't be any icky pick oozing out. 
The connectors were LC duplex because the radio
manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango
and Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower
climber can replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower
climbers to be able to splice or terminate fiber.

Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on
the tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors
in the OFDC and have the tower guys hang the whole assembly. 
Then it would be pre terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the
equipment.


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What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-03-31 Thread Josh Baird

The OFDC requires you to manually splice the trunk, correct?  The MST may
be a simpler solution for those that aren't comfortable splicing, since it
comes with the fiber already attached/spliced.  Then, you just run jumpers
from the MST to the radio.  Where do you buy Commscope from, btw?

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:56 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I've only used the OFDC-C12.  I didn't know there was more than one kind
> until you asked the question.
>
> Having looked at them, I'd still use the C-12.  It has space for 12
> connectors.  I would do 12 LC Duplex so I can hook up the entire 24F
> cable.  I can get a jumper to get from LC to whatever I need at the radio.
>
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 9:32 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
>> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
>> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
>> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
>> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
>> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
>> splice or terminate fiber.
>>
>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.
>> I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the
>> tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated
>> jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Whatever came with the radio.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 7:15 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

You put a DC power supply up on the tower?

I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at 240v you 
could run a whole cluster of them on a 16/2.  

My hangup would be that I don't know what power supply I would trust up there.

On 3/31/2020 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I used to just run 240vac.  

  Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

That's not a bad idea either.

On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

  We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. 
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/

  On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?

2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.

On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i 
> guess it could make sense.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I've only used the OFDC-C12.  I didn't know there was more than one kind 
until you asked the question.


Having looked at them, I'd still use the C-12.  It has space for 12 
connectors.  I would do 12 LC Duplex so I can hook up the entire 24F 
cable.  I can get a jumper to get from LC to whatever I need at the radio.




On 3/30/2020 9:32 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you 
are talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable
assemblies.  I went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose
tube so there wouldn't be any icky pick oozing out.  The
connectors were LC duplex because the radio manufacturer's
approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and Telrad).  I
went with individual cables because any tower climber can replace
a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
splice or terminate fiber.

Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the
tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the
OFDC and have the tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it
would be pre terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.


On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

probably

On 3/31/2020 9:19 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
so if you need to power cycle a radio you have to power cycle the 
whole cluster that way?

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:15 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:

You put a DC power supply up on the tower?

I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at
240v you could run a whole cluster of them on a 16/2.

My hangup would be that I don't know what power supply I would
trust up there.

On 3/31/2020 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I used to just run 240vac.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

That's not a bad idea either.

On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net
 wrote:

We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.

https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?

2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.

On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at
300' but i
> guess it could make sense.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-03-31 Thread Josh Baird

So would you use MST or OFDC if you had to do it again?

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:48 AM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.
> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>>
>> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
>> > guess it could make sense.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-03-31 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

so if you need to power cycle a radio you have to power cycle the whole
cluster that way?



On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:15 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> You put a DC power supply up on the tower?
>
> I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at 240v you
> could run a whole cluster of them on a 16/2.
>
> My hangup would be that I don't know what power supply I would trust up
> there.
>
>
> On 3/31/2020 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I used to just run 240vac.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett 
>  wrote:
>
> 
>
> That's not a bad idea either.
> On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.
> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>>
>> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
>> > guess it could make sense.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

You put a DC power supply up on the tower?

I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at 240v 
you could run a whole cluster of them on a 16/2.

My hangup would be that I don't know what power supply I would trust up 
there.

On 3/31/2020 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I used to just run 240vac.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

That's not a bad idea either.

On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. 
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:

Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?

2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.

On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
> guess it could make sense.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-03-31 Thread Chuck McCown

I used to just run 240vac.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's not a bad idea either.
> 
> On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. 
>> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>>> 
>>> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i 
>>> > guess it could make sense.
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That's not a bad idea either.

On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. 
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:

Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?

2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.

On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
> guess it could make sense.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

2020-03-31 Thread can...@believewireless.net

We've used MSTs on towers and buildings.
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Isn't it a 4-pin power connector?
>
> 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient.
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i
> > guess it could make sense.
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