Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Don’t forget Zabbix, free and can do virtually anything if you put your mind to 
it.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

SNMP is still pretty much the de-facto monitoring standard. Going to run 
through a demo of this in a week. Looking forward to seeing what it can do. 
https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.selector.ai=E6428FBC-1804-A506-A041-AFF83B7DD506=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-fe4d728472928f532fb6e0e8cb07fa811fd8ccd6

For your needs, you should use Zabbix. I think it's going to be supported for a 
long time going into the future, it has good integrations with things like 
Grafana so you can make your graphs all pretty. The alarming system is good.

It's free, but you might need to go and find someone to build you templates if 
you don't want to spend the time doing it yourself. You should collect all your 
devices, find the MIB's for them, then in plain language enter what you want to 
report from each device. Get the devices on a network where your contractor can 
reach them, and have them build the templates for you.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
20 years ago we used stuff from a weird little company called BlackBox for 
remote monitoring and control.  Looks like they still exist and make kind of 
what Chuck is looking for, probably overkill though.

https://www.blackbox.com/en-in/products/by-technology/networking-solutions/alertwerks-iot-solutions


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Bash it is!

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS needed.



From: castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts 
and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down.  These 
days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has 
alarm monitoring inputs.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.

Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact 
monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the 
way this happens varies between devices.

My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has 
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to 
send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is obviously 
easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus you need 
additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you 
have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 
24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of 
code space limitations.

The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been 
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, 
how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point.   The 
email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email 
server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept 
email from random devices.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.

Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an 
SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 
1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or 
text message.

I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip 
points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at 
the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 
minutes.

 Original Message 
From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm 

Re: [AFMUG] sale bulk used Mikrotik swtiches

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Just wondering what the reason is for pulling the MikroTik Switches ?




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From: AF  on behalf of Zach Underwood 

Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 9:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] sale bulk used Mikrotik swtiches

We are working on pulling out Mikrotik switches from the network and looking 
for vendors to buy the used switches. I have tried SWG and they went silent on 
emails so I am looking for another vendor. All hardware is located in ATL but 
can bulk ship.

We have almost all models of crs1xx, crs2xx, crs3xx with a mix of poe and non 
poe

Example we have close to 100x CRS328

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Re: [AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

They should be static routes, so you should not have to distribute connected.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 6:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

you want a dhcp client interface to by dynamically added to the routes?
youre gonna get yelled at for distributing connected routes
i think youd have to have an all interface defines and a 
0.0.0.0/0 network if you dont know the subnet that will be 
assigned if this is part of your osfp  routing network
otherwise distribute connected routes should propagate

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 6:02 PM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Anyone here successfully setup dhcp-relay with ospf so that when the relay adds 
an address to the pool that address goes out through ospf?
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik hAP ac status

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have quite a few in stock as well.

https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1572=0




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From: AF  On Behalf Of Omni Flux via AF
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 7:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Omni Flux 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik hAP ac status

Streakwave still has a few in stock, I see it when I search for hAP, but if you 
search for RB962 it should be the only result.

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 1:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Is the hAP ac being discontinued or something?  Not the Lite or AC2 or AC3 or 
any other variants.  I realize it is overpriced, so it could be going away.  
Most home routers don’t need an SFP cage and even that doesn’t explain why it 
costs over $100.  But nevertheless we buy them.

The reason I ask is I can’t even find it on Streakwave’s web site, but Baltic 
claims to have almost 1500 of them on the shelf, which sounds like a ton unless 
they bought up the remaining stock at a discount or something.  Or maybe 
somebody screwed up and ordered 1500 instead of 150 and they will be working 
off that stock for the next 100 years.
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Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

I would suggest maybe two 2 gig commits with 10gig ports uncapped.  This will 
allow either provider to go down and with good network design you can use 
multiple routers to prevent a outage of your equipment.  Should be cheaper than 
4 1gig internet connections and better than one 10gig .   



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers

I like the curling analogy.  No perfect load balancing across the Internet.

You can advertise the supernet out of all carriers and also advertise 
individual /24's out of the preferred carrier.  BGP will use the longer subnet 
mask first and fallback to the supernet.  If you have a bunch of non-contiguous 
allocations then obviously that's not an option, but if you have something 
bigger than a /24 then you can do it.

I also would note that if Connection "A" goes down, connection "B", "C", or "D" 
might need to carry all the load and you may not know which way it will come 
in.  You can test and see what happens in a planned outage, and tweak your 
settings just so, but I don't think you can guarantee that topology upstream 
from you didn't change at some point between your testing and the eventual 
unplanned outage.  If you need 4Gb, then you might just need two 4Gb pipes to 
have meaningful redundancy.  Depends what you're willing to live with.  There's 
a saying that "slow is better than down", but IMO the phone blows up either 
which way so best to avoid either "slow" or "down" conditions.

I'll also note that every time I've ordered a 1gig circuit they gave me GigE 
optics.  If you order anything bigger, even if it's 1.1Gig then it'll be a 
10Gig interface by necessity.  An upgrade then is just a phone call, whereas 
the upgrade from 1Gig is a scheduled outage to swap interface cards.


On 11/12/2020 7:15 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Right. Which is not ideal.
>
>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> There are smarter people than me here on the topic of BGP, but I 
>> believe load balancing via prepends is an inexact science.  It's like 
>> the guy with the broom in curling, you can influence but not dictate the 
>> outcome.
>>
>> You'd probably have better control advertising each subnet via just 
>> one of the upstream providers, but then you lose the advantage of redundant 
>> feeds.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:45 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers
>>
>> I have a situation where I can buy several 1 gigabit pipes from 
>> several top tier carriers relatively inexpensively.
>> Or I can buy one fat pipe from one carrier.
>>
>> Say I need 4 gigabits of bandwidth and have four 1 gigabit pipes from 
>> 4 carriers running BGP, is there a best way to load balance these?  
>> Just AS pre-pend subsets on each carrier so certain subnets prefer one over 
>> another?
>> Or is there a better way?
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Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Not that bad.  We have a 800meter link and don’t have issues with walking on 
the roof etc.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 7:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

I haven’t spent much time looking at the 60 and 80 GHz products, but do I 
remember correctly that some have an antenna array or beam steering so they 
automatically align themselves and stay aligned, while others require manual 
alignment?  I’ve been told the alignment at these frequencies can be very 
touchy, to the point where tower or building movement may be a problem.  Like 
don’t climb the tower or walk on the rooftop, or the backhaul will drop out.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 7:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

Yep.  MT wireless wire dish.

http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2656=0



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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 11:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

Just across a street? I would just go with a mikrotik 60ghz (wireless wire 
dish), it's going to be the cheapest and simplest option.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 11:46 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks.  Never heard of it...

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 9:16 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:
GigaBeam from UBNT
AF60-LR from UBNT (will be back on store.ui.com<http://store.ui.com> soon)
Mikrotik 60ghz PTP.

All of those are sub $500 for something approaching 1G.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.brazoswifi.com=115FAE48-B0EB-E605-972C-97DBD7242587=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-5337d797cd3d596d485e9460bef7e2b930e3c46d<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.brazoswifi.com=C013D55C-B0EB-8405-972C-D43901BC6E1D=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-f32a712f31ac3f2cbaf43c9add71ca710c889d1c>

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 10:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

A church wants a wireless link to push 1GBps over a street...
Any ideas? Siklu is out of their budget.
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Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Yep.  MT wireless wire dish.

http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2656=0



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 11:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

Just across a street? I would just go with a mikrotik 60ghz (wireless wire 
dish), it's going to be the cheapest and simplest option.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 11:46 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks.  Never heard of it...

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 9:16 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:
GigaBeam from UBNT
AF60-LR from UBNT (will be back on store.ui.com soon)
Mikrotik 60ghz PTP.

All of those are sub $500 for something approaching 1G.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.brazoswifi.com=C013D55C-B0EB-8405-972C-D43901BC6E1D=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-f32a712f31ac3f2cbaf43c9add71ca710c889d1c

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 10:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

A church wants a wireless link to push 1GBps over a street...
Any ideas? Siklu is out of their budget.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

There were a number of companies that were working on small buried reactors 
that would power a small city, run for 40 years and then stay buried ..  need 
more power bury another one.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

Terrapower's TWR tech is pretty cool.

https://www.terrapower.com/

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the price plummet?

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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

PowerLink   24v to 48v converter cable, and if you use cambium a cambum cable.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

Starting to do customer installs on my new FTTH company.
Going with the pre-terminated miniflex/tufflex type of cables.

I used to have a nice tool list for installers.  Searching my archives but not 
sure I will find it.

So far this is the list:
Electric drill
Bell hangers bit.  .250”
Glow rods
Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
Fish tape

What else should I include in a standard installer’s toolbag?
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Re: [AFMUG] QB for billing

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Don't do it!  QB SUX for automatic billing, is sux big time.  Get a billing 
system, something that integrates and shuts customers off. Etc.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 3:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] QB for billing

Has anyone tried to use Quickbooks for customer billing and automatic 
ACH/credit card payments?
Looking for something painless to start with.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sprint

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Fun times!


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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:12 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT sprint

Working on engineering a new fiber line.  Called for locates.  Normally they 
will not do the locates unless you are actually digging.  If just engineering 
they will not even take the dig ticket.
So, I always do some form of geo tech bore hole soil sampling etc to get the 
paint down on the ROW without argument.  If I forget to drill the test 
holes well I am getting older and more forgetful.

Sprint showed up and said:
They have a 2’ (both sides, above and below) exclusive zone that we cannot come 
near nationwide.  4’ wide exclusion zone.
(I was in a state highway ROW).  Told the sprint guy that I doubted they have 
an exclusive ROW in a public highway ROW.

He went ballistic.  Said I had messed with the wrong people etc.  Got his boss 
on the phone.  I told the boss that I simply did not believe it.  I might be 
proven wrong but generally road ROWs are pretty much the domain of the 
political entity etc.  He said he had fought this battle many times and always 
won.  They have an exclusive easement everywhere in the USA and that their 
fiber is much more important than everyone else.  I said that one thing was 
certain, one of would be proven wrong.  He hung up.

I called UDOT.  They said, no, nothing special about Sprint.  I gave them the 
contact info for the locator’s boss.  UDOT called him.  He told UDOT that they 
did indeed have an exclusive easement and the would sue the state of Utah if it 
is not honored.  UDOT researched it.  Nope.  Nothing more than a permit.  Just 
like what Chuck has.  Nothing special about Sprint.  They said that they were 
going to straighten this out with the AGs office.

Then I discover that UDOT has very recently given this highway to the county.
County engineer says Sprint has nothing, they are in trespass everywhere they 
are in the county.

So, out plowing cable and the Sprint locator showed up.  Boxer shorts, flip 
flops, wife beater.  Starts running his mouth to my crew about Chuck pissed off 
the wrong guys and that he is going to be tied up in federal court for the next 
10 years etc.  Supervisor threw him off the job site.  No hard hat, no orange 
vest, no hard soled shoes.  Supervisor called me and said to expect a call from 
Sprint.  I called his boss instead.  Told him that they had failed to mark 1/3 
of the ROW and that the guy needs to conform to UDOT safety standards to be out 
there working.  And that as far as suing me in federal courth, UDOT says I am 
good to go.  “So tell your guy to shut the F*** up and just do his job. “

This time sprint boss was meek and mild and offered to cooperate any way 
possible.
I actually apologized for the harsh words, but was expecting the same attitude 
as before.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Lol



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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

Done.
I had to see how many subs I had.  77

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

Friends & Colleagues, Help me reach 100 subs on my Youtube channel so I can 
have a url!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Thanks btw!


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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

Done.
I had to see how many subs I had.  77

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

Friends & Colleagues, Help me reach 100 subs on my Youtube channel so I can 
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Re: [AFMUG] I need your HELP!

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Guess I can’t get anyone to subscribe to mine, since we are asking   
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIPCmnxlC5Ds7MphT_gCcuA/


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 7:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

Mine too.  ;-)  Well, we alreadyh ave the custom URL, but appreciate the subs 
anyway.  :-)

http://www.youtube.com/c/TheBrothersWISP



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From: "Gino A. Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
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Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:57:18 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!
Friends & Colleagues, Help me reach 100 subs on my Youtube channel so I can 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We tried to toss TowerCoveage.com to AWS.  Their quote was around 45k a month!  
 We are the exact opposite of what they want, high CPU and high IOPs.



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:42 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

Nobody make a product anymore and sells it.  Its all subscription based.  Its 
royally pissing me off too.  I mean even in app games if you wanna remove ads 
you could just buy the game.  NOW you need to pay $10 to remove ads for A MONTH 
or a period of time.

Anyhoo.. as far as CHR - I've messed around with it on Amazon and it does work. 
 Quite cool actually but I've found after crunching the numbers over the 
years its still way cheaper running your own hardware in your own NOC than in 
the cloud.  I've had servers run for 9 years giving me way more ROI than any 
monthly subscription could.  If properly maintained.   Not to mention you are 
taking your own destiny into your own hands instead of placing them in a 3rd 
party's possession.

Now if you don't have the staff or time to manage things then yeah you will 
need to pay someone else for their expertise in putting it all together.

I think a hybrid solution is the overall best solution.  The best of both 
worlds.

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(519)737-WAVE (9283)


From: "Seth Mattinen" mailto:se...@rollernet.us>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:53:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

On 6/10/20 6:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Oh, for sure. Virtualized routers are where the industry is going, whether 
> it's a VM running on your compute infrastructure or on your switch\router.


No thanks, because here comes the annual subscriptions. Cisco already
went that way with CSR 1000V. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but the majority of
the industry is sure to go that way too. At least the first sale
doctrine applies to hardware. Tired of fucking subscriptions for every
damn thing.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

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Most people don't use them in the "cloud" but they run them in their data 
center, i.e. instead of a physical box in front of the servers, they just run 
it on their servers.  Not stating that this is good or bad, just another design 
choice.   I have complicated this, but cannot justify when I already have 
hardware running.  



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

VPN concentrator is about the only think I can think of.



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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:32:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

OK, I'm willing to appear stupid and ask the question.  What do you do with a 
router in the cloud?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

Managed to get it setup on Linode and seems to be working quite well.

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR_Linode

Anyone else using Linode?

> Anyone using a cloud hosted Mikrotik router?  Where and how much?  We 
> have one Mikrotik we use to terminate a number of tunnels for modem 
> management and when its fiber got cut last time it made us think a 
> cloud solution might be better.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT OTA receivers

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

I use a HDHomeRun Quattro, with Plex.  It records what I want to and can watch 
whatever is record etc.   Works quite well.  As long as you have a decent 
server.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:58 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT OTA receivers


I have used HDhomerun for years now you can run the recording software on a PC 
or it integrates with most DVR platforms MythTV, Plex, Kodi, etc.




On 5/17/2020 7:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I had the tivo for quite some time until it quit working and I didn’t want to 
spend the money for another one.
I switched to airTV and then converted it to Sling.  It is buggy.  Does not 
always record what you tell it to, it will not allow fast forward on local 
channels and the audio level is much higher than all my other hdmi inputs like 
Roku.

So looking again for an ATA receiver.  Walmart has a really low cost unit that 
can record if you connect an external drive.  It allows time shift etc.
Does not stream over you network, you will have to have it connected to your 
display.  And you will have to feed it an RF TV signal.  But the whole 
streaming over the network by Tivo and Sling/AirTV has not exactly been 
flawless.

Anyone using anything else they really like?  One of my larger spots in the 
house to watch TV has a large monitor with no F connector.  So I need something 
there.  I would like something with a channel guide so that is one thing Sling 
does for me.



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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

It runs 32 bit in emulation is what I heard.  i.e. worse performance than 
native 32bit..  



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

Well, I did expect it to match the RB4011, or even best it a bit. Alas, it was 
not to be. Disappointing...

Jared

> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020
> From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Cc: "Dennis Burgess" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>
> I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 
> 
> 
> 
> Dennis Burgess
> 
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> Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, 
> Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: 
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> From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
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> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
> 
> Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004
> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3=161044
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

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We have some PR2200s still in stock, dual 4 core Xeons.  Not exactly I7s though.

Honestly any decent server should work as long as it has good NICs in it.  ..

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From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:55 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

Not looking to switch from Mikrotik.  Just wanted to know if there are any 
preconfigured i7 or better boxes that anybody’s selling right now.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
fiber...@mail.com<mailto:fiber...@mail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

The Juniper MX204 is awesome and available now, but it'll set you back at least 
ten grand...

Here's a list of software routers you can try out:


  *   VyOS - free, version 1.3 will support XDP with both software and hardware 
offload 
https://www.vyos.io/<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.danosproject.org=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1f675966b1244d6dbea145adbce4f693f5a13320>
  *   DANOS - free, load it on a white box switch to see some serious Mpps 
https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.danosproject.org=FBD91069-A57A-9D05-B2B7-DB316D063F53=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-54028fedd3de2904d007150971cc30835c1d74c7<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.danosproject.org=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1f675966b1244d6dbea145adbce4f693f5a13320>
  *   FRR+VPP - free 
https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/wiki/Alternate-forwarding-planes:-VPP
  *   TNSR - $400(?)/year for 10G license 
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Jared


Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020
From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
So what is awesome and available now?  We had an i7 box (network appliance I 
guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two).  
Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available.  BGP is a must.  We’re 
running CHR on our current boxes.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7



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-Original Message-
From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e> On Behalf 
Of fiber...@mail.com<mailto:fibe

Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 



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Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004
https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3=161044

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Re: [AFMUG] LTE routers.

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

What channel limitations?



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:36 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] LTE routers.

I am hunting for an LTE router for travel.  I looked at the Mikrotiks 
and was a little disappointed in the channel limitations.   Anyone made 
this chase before and come up with a good answer?   I currently have 
sims for Verizon, Sprint, and OTR mobile...   ORT is currently T-Mobile...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Just like that statistic!  


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

78.2 percent of statistics are made up on the spot

On Tue, May 5, 2020, 8:55 AM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
You guys work with statistics much?  You think the numbers are accurate?  At 
what point have you ever seen government or corporations represent 100% 
accurate numbers?

I'll let you do your own homework.  But I've seen hundreds of reports from all 
over the place of deaths of natural causes being classified as covid deaths.  
Since most patients have existing conditions and many were already dying and 
died of those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc)  are being attributed to 
covid.  Some people have estimated that upward of 20% misrepresented.  So as 
long as there is 1 case that is questionable - the statistics are not accurate.

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From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?


The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can do when we 
don't actually test all the suspected infections. It also (probably) missed a 
whole lot of the early deaths, as they were miss-classified. If you think 
under-ground near-do-wells are planted in all the hospitals around the country 
and are coordinating false numbers on all the rest of us, then I have a tin hat 
that might fit real well.



bp




On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
Numbers are completely false.  Even with that taken into regard it still is 
just as lethal as the regular flu.  While it is way more harsh on people if 
they get it, most people have underlying conditions, or didn't know they had 
them, or didn't take it serious when they got it.

Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further their agenda.

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From: "chuck" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

[image]

Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart...  Let’s hope we are 
on the tail of a normal curve.
6 days in a row decline.  But it has done this cycle 3 times before with a huge 
spike after.

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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Quite a few..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

Dennis,how many of these do you have on order?

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
25G will be far more common than 40G.

40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I have a 
lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's not going to 
happen.


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From: "Steven Kenney" mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out.  25 is kinda a 
black sheep in the industry.  Good luck matching equipment with upstreams.  I 
know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100.

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From: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: "Dennis Burgess" mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out


[cid:image002.png@01D61A35.08B13B70]

10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU

List price: $600


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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Don’t know yet as they have not published a block diagram or routing 
performance numbers.  However, I would assume it would do just as good if not 
better than a 1072.. Course, that could be v7 as well, but don’t know yet.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

whats the comparison to 1072?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:26 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yep, seeing the 8 port SFP+ model retail is 3k ..  under 1k and more ports and 
25gig ports!

What 64bit ARM CPU is supposed to do I guess!  We have our stock ordered, its 
not even on the MT product site yet.  Will be a week or two before they come 
in.  We will have significant stock on them.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

[cid:image002.png@01D61A0A.367A05D0]

10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU

List price: $600


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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie suggestions

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

TV Series:
Mrs. Browns Boys
Young Sheldon
Dark Crystal
The Expanse
The Witcher
The Magicians
Chernobyl (HBO Documentary)

Movies:
Midway (2019)
The Banker (2020)
Made in Dagenham (2010)
A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood (2019)




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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT movie suggestions

My wife watches Hulu and Netflix shows...I don't... catching up on Law and 
Order...I got to see almost the complete NYPD Blue series from start to finish 
last year ..still holds up

I might start working Homicide: Life on The Streets.
Now it's a few BBC series, some news..
At 9 pm... TV off...watch a few tower climbing or MMA videos...then shoe 
shining ASMR videos, which I just listen to with headphones...and adios 
muchacho...meemees time.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 10:43 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

Go watch "the last ship" on Hulu.  Was on TNT...

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT movie suggestions
Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2020 7:41 PM

Anyone have anything to recommend?
I saw the Ronda Rousey documentary last night.  It was well worth watching.
Death of Stalin was good.
Starting to watch Killing Eve.
Devs just got weird.  Meh
Westworld is getting weird too.
Billions starts up again soon... that is one of my favs.
Little fires was interesting in the beginning but became too much of a chick 
flick for me at the end.
I like High Maintenance.
Better call Saul is coming to and end... sob...
Homeland is ending this week ... sob ...
BlackAF is interesting.  Especially if you read up on the creator.  He did 
Blackish.  I think I will tire of it soon.

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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Those are not available yet.  They scuttlebutt is that there is no switch chip.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:42 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM?

Seems like you'd need to see the block diagram, are all those ports directly 
connected to the CPU, or via switch chips?  And is this architected as a 
router, or a switch?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out


[cid:image002.png@01D61A05.24719330]

10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU

List price: $600


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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have already placed our order, so 2 weeksish ?


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

ETA?

Jim Bouse
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out


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10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU

List price: $600


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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces.


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Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out


[cid:image003.png@01D6197C.2964CF80]

10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU

List price: $600


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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Yep, seeing the 8 port SFP+ model retail is 3k ..  under 1k and more ports and 
25gig ports!

What 64bit ARM CPU is supposed to do I guess!  We have our stock ordered, its 
not even on the MT product site yet.  Will be a week or two before they come 
in.  We will have significant stock on them.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

[cid:image002.png@01D61972.AFFB3390]

10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU

List price: $600


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Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Disconnect customer. Not worth the issues.  Simple as that.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 6:29 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

Has anyone come up with a successful strategy for customers who manage to 
provoke repeated DDoS attacks against them, other than to disconnect their 
service?

I've got one who just got their 3rd strike after 2 previous warnings.

In 20 years in this business, I've only had this happen once previously.  That 
customer begged and pleaded and said it wouldn't happen again, he needed 
Internet for his business, he said it was his son's fault and he would ban his 
son from using the Internet.  So I turned him back on and of course it happened 
again.

Given the pandemic, I'd like to think there is something I could do, like 
require a detailed explanation of what happened (I assume one of his gamer kids 
keeps talking smack and getting booted), and how he has dealt with the 
situation.  But given my limited previous experience, I expect that would just 
be gullible on my part, like Charlie Brown and the football.
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[AFMUG] Announcement: TowerCoverage Intro Video

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have recently added a new Intro video to 
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 for futher training options!
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[AFMUG] Announcement: TC New Feature

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have finished another feature update. You have requested that we e-mail 
customers when the submit a EUS to you to inform them that you have received 
the data. We have added a customer notification section. Visit Account -> EUS 
settings and then click on Customer Notification. Check the box, and fill in 
the boxes, and we will send an e-mail to the customer!

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Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Or  for 300 bucks you can run a MikroTik 60GHz link.
http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?pageStyle=H==1=wireless+wire+dish
 will work quite well at .6km.  We have a .2 km link, snow rain, it just stays 
up.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

The best deal right now is Aviat 10Gbps full duplex for about $5k with dishes 
and everything.

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Good choice Lewis!

We have a dozen of them and they are rock solid and fast!  Been really amazed 
during rain events (heavy mountain downpours) that they keep on keepin on!!

-Sean


On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 6:27 PM Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks everyone. I think we'll give the 80G Siklu a shot.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
At that distance, rain fade shouldn't be a problem with 60ghz, so it really 
comes down to hardware reliability, and budget, and specific requirements.

If the project isn't cost sensitive, and you want the best you can get, then 
just go with 80ghz... there basically is no cheap junk for that band, so just 
pick your favorite vendor and buy what they have.
If you do want to go cheap, then there are a few things to consider. Ignitenet 
an Ubiquiti (although I don't think their radios are actually shipping yet), 
have an extra channel at the top end of the band that can get a bit better 
range, which the Mikrotiks can't (legally) use... but that's not really going 
to make a lot of difference at that distance anyway. Ignitenet is the only one 
with an SFP port, if that matters, and they also have a radio that's capable of 
2.5gbps, instead of only 1gpbs... they're also the most expensive of the cheap 
options. Mikrotik uses a beam forming antenna, so they're about 10x easier 
to aim then the Ignitenets (I believe Ubiquiti does as well, but I haven't used 
their radios yet).

None of the cheap 60ghz radios are true full duplex radios, but I think they're 
all capable of delivering a full gig in each direction at the same time.

If you don't want cheap, but don't want to deal with 80ghz licensing (which is 
pretty cheap and simple, but it is another thing that has to be done), then 
Siklu 60ghz would probably be a good option. Or you could just stick with 
AF24HD, which will certainly do the job, but considering what they cost, it 
makes more sense to me to just go with 80ghz at that distance. You could also 
go with Mimosa B24 for 24ghz, but they're half duplex radios, and I don't think 
that they can handle a full 2gbps aggregate.


On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM dave 
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
I guess it depends on the 9s you want.
Cheaper is not always better for consistency.


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On 2/24/20 8:36 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
No way I would consider AF24HD for this.  You can get 80ghz links for less that 
do MUCH more throughput (10Gbps).

Vendors in this space include Bridgewave, Siklu and Aviat.  Aviat probably 
gives you the best bang for your buck.  Cambium has a new mmWave product, but I 
don't know anything about it.

Josh

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM dave 
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
Not sure which product mentioned but the PTP550 unlicensed will take all of 
your 5g spectrum and
there is the ptp850E

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On 2/24/20 8:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see Cambium has 
something that looks like it will work but their product selector returns no 
matches .

Ubiquiti has the 24HD.

Anything else I should be aware of?
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Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

.6km use a Wireless Wire Dish Kit, we have them in stock.  60 Ghz will give you 
1 gig full duplex without issues, under 400 bucks I belive.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see Cambium has 
something that looks like it will work but their product selector returns no 
matches .

Ubiquiti has the 24HD.

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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 3700 MHz band

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Wonder what gear they were using. ☹  That allowed them to transmit that high?


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Tim Hardy
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 
3700 MHz band

According to the Notice of Violation, they were found to be operating on 3723 - 
3732 MHz which is a clear violation of 1.903 and you’re right that this is how 
they got caught.  No question that had they not interfered with the ground 
station, this wouldn’t have come up.  Once the FCC finds one thing, they’re 
going to look at everything else and that’s how the unregistered locations 
ended up part of this.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:25 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
There seem to be 2 issues, one is unregistered locations which seems kind of 
petty, the other is transmitting above 3.7 GHz.  I’m going to assume the second 
one got them in trouble and led to finding the first one?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 
3700 MHz band

The 320 you could go to at least 3695 on 10mhz. Plus the oob so if it was low 
3700. But jerkoffs like that that don't even make a cursory check for earth 
stations you never know what they've done.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 5:03 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Jamming C band CATV...

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement actions - unauthorized operation in 3650 - 
3700 MHz band

It's interesting that the signal they were interfering with was in the 
3700-4200mhz band. I wonder what they were doing...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:24 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Isnt that the first 3ghz one?

I wish that more people had been nailed, its said other "license" holders had 
no recourse, it took a fixed station to be interfered with

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Tim Hardy 
mailto:thardy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
BREVARD WIRELESS, INC. DBA FLORIDA HIGH SPEED INTERNET, LICENSEE OF STATION 
WQMJ660. Brevard Wireless, Inc. dba Florida High Speed Internet agrees to 
$16,000 settlement and compliance plan resolving investigation into 
unauthorized operation in the 3650-3700MHz band . Action by: 
Deputy Chief, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 2020-01-22 by Order/Consent Decree. 
(DA No. 20-46). EB. 
DA-20-46A1.docx 
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Re: [AFMUG] The Future

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

You would think a upgrade to SM would be simple though, unless they did not put 
tubes in.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future

and they'll suck just as bad as their current networks do.


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From: "Gino A. Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>, "Mathew Howard" 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 9:40:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future
Mobile ops  will get into the “Home Connectivity” game and will offer 
mobile/home bundles


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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Date: Monday, January 20, 2020 at 11:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>, 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Re: [AFMUG] New to me gear

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Course, yet another FCC document lists the gain at 42 and their EIRP at 52-54.. 
 lol




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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New to me gear

At 2.4 and 5 GHz they have 21 dBi and 24.5 dBi ..  The 60Ghz I read it should 
be around either 16 or 26.  I have seen power measurements of 26db transmitter 
but yet the FCC data shows it should be 17db.  The normal power levels EIRP out 
of them is right at 42-44 db, note the EIRP Limits is 67db.  



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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 4:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New to me gear

How much area does the AP antenna cover?  Must either be low gain or very 
narrow vertical beamwidth.

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New to me gear

Mikrotik 60 Ghz
https://mikrotik.com/product/lhg_60g

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
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Re: [AFMUG] New to me gear

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At 2.4 and 5 GHz they have 21 dBi and 24.5 dBi ..  The 60Ghz I read it should 
be around either 16 or 26.  I have seen power measurements of 26db transmitter 
but yet the FCC data shows it should be 17db.  The normal power levels EIRP out 
of them is right at 42-44 db, note the EIRP Limits is 67db.  



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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 4:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New to me gear

How much area does the AP antenna cover?  Must either be low gain or very 
narrow vertical beamwidth.

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New to me gear

Mikrotik 60 Ghz
https://mikrotik.com/product/lhg_60g

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Re: [AFMUG] New to me gear

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LHG product from Routerboard/MikroTik.  Looks like a PoweBox Pro as well.   It 
could be a 60GHz they also make them in 5 Ghz and 2.4.  They are very similar 
however this one does look like at 60Ghz due to the size of the element.We 
have quit a few in stock ..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] New to me gear

Anyone recognize this product?



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Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

I agree, I thought they were suppose to have a method to do both at the same 
time? i.e. you can register a account on the forum and then you can tell it to 
join you to a mailing list and you would get all of the post via mailing list.  
Guess not?  Really sucks.   Who has time to search or watch a forum.  ☹


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 11:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

Yes it is going away to a forum.  Personally not a fan myself but demand seems 
to be more for forums than the mailing lists.  Will also make some of the 
committee work that happens easier so I have been told.

Most of the day to day conversation happens on Facebook anymore... was the only 
reason I ever signed up.  Not sure what was so wrong about e-mail :-)

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direct: +1 (702) 470-2770



Ken Hohhof wrote on 1/6/20 19:10:

You mean the main members list?  Where did you hear it was going away?

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] WISPA email list

I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut off.  But just now I got an 
email.  Like to delete my folder once it is defunct.



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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Its more, the things that people break due to turning it on vs doing a better 
method.  Just my two cents.  



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 4:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

The only reason I can think of, is that you have to be careful if you assign an 
IP address like 192.168.88.1 or 169.254.1.x to an interface for maybe 
administrative purposes, if that interface ever becomes active, and you don't 
have a route filter, then the router will advertise that block via OSPF.

Can you be more specific why it is bad bad bad?

I have actually been known to redistribute static routes (usually with a 
filter).  I'm guessing you would characterize that as 4 or 5 bads?  Usually 
this is to route a small block to a microPOP or customer router that I don't 
want to be an OSPF peer.  In some cases the customer router is connected via 
PPPoE.  I made the mistake once of trying to  mix PPPoE and OSPF on an 
interface.  That was indeed very bad.

Oh, and I hope you realize some people like doing bad things, dangerous things, 
forbidden things.  Like if a girl wants a guy to ask her out, she will get a 
friend to tell him she's off limits, which will make her irresistible.  But 
then:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MySisterIsOffLimits



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Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 3:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

NEVER redistribute connected...   bad bad bad .  

The sub area you can announce out the /25 or whatever it is, but keep /32s from 
leaving the stub area.  Your OSPF-out filters do not work inner area, i.e. 
between backbone and backbone routers, only intra-area, that means area 44 
(stub) it will filter out the /32s..



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 12:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

If you redistribute connected routes on a PPPoE server you get a route for 
every /32 and that's undesirable.

My solution currently is to NOT redistribute connected and instead just 
advertise the larger network which will encompass all the /32's.

I read a presentation suggesting to use an OSPF stub area for the PPPoE 
concentrator.  Is there a reason I'd want to use a stub area instead of 
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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

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Most of the time you are trying to solve the issue (distributing a subnet) 
incorrectly by distributing the connected routes.  Not stating that you can't 
do it, but 99% of the time there is a better way without the "gotchas" that 
come with that..

1.  Customer distributing connected routes.  OSPF is SLOW to update, as they 
are constantly updating, 192.168.200.0/24 between ALL of his sites, just like 
you said, it was a management subnet and they were all active at the same time. 
 Constant updates means OSPF runs slow.  Why, he did not want to put what 
networks he wishes to distribute in networks.  That’s it!  One check box vs 
entering in the subnet.  

2.  customer had two edge devices and wished them to have a link over the 
innerwebs' to connect via OSPF in the event of a network break it would allow 
traffic to come in one peer and then traverse across the net to the other OSPF 
router without issues.   In this case when he tried to bring up a GRE or any 
such tunnel  using the provider /30s it would go across his network, not good 
and cause issues.

Just a few, but 99% of the time there is something or some way better to do it, 
I have turned off distribute connected many times but have yet to turn it on.  
PPPoE the proper method is to have a stub area and filter it out.  Especially 
if you have two or more PPPoE servers at each tower site.  



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 4:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

The only reason I can think of, is that you have to be careful if you assign an 
IP address like 192.168.88.1 or 169.254.1.x to an interface for maybe 
administrative purposes, if that interface ever becomes active, and you don't 
have a route filter, then the router will advertise that block via OSPF.

Can you be more specific why it is bad bad bad?

I have actually been known to redistribute static routes (usually with a 
filter).  I'm guessing you would characterize that as 4 or 5 bads?  Usually 
this is to route a small block to a microPOP or customer router that I don't 
want to be an OSPF peer.  In some cases the customer router is connected via 
PPPoE.  I made the mistake once of trying to  mix PPPoE and OSPF on an 
interface.  That was indeed very bad.

Oh, and I hope you realize some people like doing bad things, dangerous things, 
forbidden things.  Like if a girl wants a guy to ask her out, she will get a 
friend to tell him she's off limits, which will make her irresistible.  But 
then:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MySisterIsOffLimits



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 3:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

NEVER redistribute connected...   bad bad bad .  

The sub area you can announce out the /25 or whatever it is, but keep /32s from 
leaving the stub area.  Your OSPF-out filters do not work inner area, i.e. 
between backbone and backbone routers, only intra-area, that means area 44 
(stub) it will filter out the /32s..



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 12:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

If you redistribute connected routes on a PPPoE server you get a route for 
every /32 and that's undesirable.

My solution currently is to NOT redistribute connected and instead just 
advertise the larger network which will encompass all the /32's.

I read a presentation suggesting to use an OSPF stub area for the PPPoE 
concentrator.  Is there a reason I'd want to use a stub area instead of 
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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

NEVER redistribute connected...   bad bad bad .  

The sub area you can announce out the /25 or whatever it is, but keep /32s from 
leaving the stub area.  Your OSPF-out filters do not work inner area, i.e. 
between backbone and backbone routers, only intra-area, that means area 44 
(stub) it will filter out the /32s..



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 12:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PPPoE and /32's

If you redistribute connected routes on a PPPoE server you get a route for 
every /32 and that's undesirable.

My solution currently is to NOT redistribute connected and instead just 
advertise the larger network which will encompass all the /32's.

I read a presentation suggesting to use an OSPF stub area for the PPPoE 
concentrator.  Is there a reason I'd want to use a stub area instead of 
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

So a fix is a reboot?  Just verifying.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it’s not 
just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  It’s 
saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all of them? 
 That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics 
that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

(this is in Illinois)

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.
On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.


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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Same here, have many customers down..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Roland Houin
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:37 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We are all packetflux.  Most if not all seem affected

roland

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:35 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable

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927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin 
mailto:rho...@fourway.net>> wrote:
We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

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Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA.

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
> mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Business Idea

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

What paying for a consultant does.  We have industry contacts across the board, 
99% of the time we don't use them as they should not be needed, but in an 
emergency..    



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 9:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: New Business Idea

As I'm trying to track down an email admin contact at Charter so I can find out 
why they're deferring someone's email it occurred to me:

If someone made a business out of having access to all the right people to 
resolve interop issues quickly then that might be something worth paying for.



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Audience mesh router

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have sold quite a few of them and currelty have stock on them.  They are a 
tri-band radio system, so meshing is fairly easy plus no slowdown on the 
repeater nodes.  99% of them work quite well with one, if you need another just 
add it and it has an auto connect process as long as you don't change too much.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 10:01 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Audience mesh router

I totally missed the existence of this product and apparently the US version is 
actually shipping.

Has anyone tried them out?  Typical of mesh systems, it doesn't have a full 
complement of Ethernet ports, but 2 is better than 1 like some of the mesh 
products out there.

It's less expensive than a 4011, but it's pretty and has easy mesh setup.  A 
4011 is currently my best Mikrotik family choice for whole home WiFi coverage 
in large homes,  but it's overkill for most customers, who typically don't need 
anything close to 10 GigE ports, the 4011 also gets pretty hot, and it's 
expensive.

Rarely in customer homes can we run cables to additional routers and use 
CAPsMAN, and the Mikrotik powerline networking product has been disappointing.  
Am I missing something about the easy mesh setup?  Is this something I could do 
with hAP ac or 4011 routers if I just learned how?  The "Audience" product has 
two 5 GHz radios and apparently uses U-NII-1 for clients and the upper bands 
for backhaul between mesh units.

I'm hoping since this runs the regular Mikrotik OS that you don't really have 
to use a phone and the Audience app to set it up and can just use Winbox from 
an Ethernet port.  That's something I dislike about most customer purchased 
mesh systems like Google/Nest or Eero, you need an app on your phone and to set 
up a Google or Eero cloud account, so it's not really something our installers 
are going to want to set up for the customer.
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Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

You can, its up to you.

Is routing faster on MikroTik by using MPLS/VPLS? No
Do you gain extra capacity by reducing the router load per packet by using 
MPLS?  Yes, think looking at 4-bytes of data vs 40.  Is it 10 fold increase, no 
but you get the point.
What is the big deal about MPLS without VPLS?  Just that it does get you a bit 
of extra capacity.  Bout it.
Why does everyone want to run VPLS?  VPLS gets you the IP and subnet savings.  
You do need to design your core network correctly to handle this.  If you have 
a single core router and all of your tunnels go to that, then yes if it goes 
down yes your tunnels are down, but may of our customers have to have 
redundancy, so multiple edges, connected to multiple cores, connected to 
multiple VPLS termination boxes, connected to multiple PPPoE servers.  Etc.   
The core is VERY robust, but the general network is not.  This also does not 
work very well if your have multiple geographically diverse BGP feeds, i.e. 
everything goes back to the datacenter and that’s where it is, great, but 
otherwise, it gets to the point that it not worth the effort.
L2VPNs?  Weill there are a few customers that prefer them, but in all honestly 
there is better, more secure, and faster protocols out there.  Keep in mind 
that L2VPNs are fine if all of the customers are on your network, but they 
seldom are, so you will need a plan for those guys as well.  My questions is 
why do you build your network to deliver something that people don’t want, a 
layer 2 network connection.  If you are delivering Pipes then sure, but you 
have to have the capacity and availability to do so.  Most Wisps, not all, 
don’t have this figured out.  99% of the time, they can make more money by 
providing a managed L3 solution than L2 anyways.



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:17 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS


So do you tunnel everything back to the core and then do "router on a stick" ?
On 11/20/2019 2:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Yeap VPLS is where is at…

VPLS tunnels to the towers, CORE routing + L2VPN to customers( Enterprise, 
Wholesale)




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From: AF  on behalf of 
Josh Baird 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 3:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MPLS

It seems like lots of people in the WISP-world are running MPLS just to use 
VPLS.  Reasons for doing this are typically to achieve better IPv4 utilization 
(not having to route a block of IP's to each POP and maybe wasting IPv4, etc).

Another common use-case is providing L2VPN services for customers (connecting 
multiple locations together, etc).

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 2:03 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think I don't fully understand what the advantages are of MPLS.

I mean I've been reading the white-papers and such, and I see it brings some 
features to the table, but when are we going to use them?

Routing speed:

  *   MPLS can make forwarding decisions faster.  When they made this in the 
1990's I'm sure that was a big deal, but I'm doubting whether there is really 
measurably better latency on modern hardware.  Is there?

Traffic Engineering:

  *   It can do redundancy, but it seems to rely on the routing protocol (eg 
OSPF) to know which paths are up.  I don't understand what that buys us.
  *   It can do load sharing on unequal paths.  Admittedly that's very hard to 
do with L3 routing protocols, and that would have been extremely useful at one 
point in time.  But how often does that happen now that we're in a world of 
gigabit and 10gigabit connections?
L2 tunneling

  *   It can transport L2 traffic over an L3 network.  It does it with less 
overhead (8 bytes) than any other method I can think of.  I don't really see a 
downside to this.
So are people running MPLS just to get VPLS 

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years, if the .govs 
shutdown access via v4 for security reasons.  No more FCC/ IRS or any .GOV 
unless over v6.  Note that the current plan is 2-3 years, I have given it an 
extra year for measure!

V6 should be deployed NOW.   Not later, when you HAVE TO.  Then you will be 
making mistakes etc.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space
IP6 is still years out for us

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual stack with IPv4 CGN 
and IPv6 public IPs.  There's a learning curve, but it's not that bad.

-Adam


On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Where is the best place to get these? How do we verify space has a decent 
reputation so we dont go through months of cleanup and all that stuff?

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik new prefix not working with 1 peer

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Check to make sure you are sending it.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 10:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik new prefix not working with 1 peer

I have a newly assigned ipv4 prefix, I added it into my 'tik, refreshed filters 
and made sure that the prefix was in the filter with my upstream AS's, yet one 
of my peers isn't seeing the new prefix coming through, this is the first time 
I've ever ran into this before...

I'm fairly certain it's not a Mikrotik configuration issue, and the upstream 
transit says they aren't filtering it...

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Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

So, supposedly, there is some extreme performance MTs getting ready to come 
out.  FYI.  

Proposed part numbers currently (nothing solid yet )

CCR-eOW-12x100G-36x25Gw
CCR-eOW-1x25Gw-2x10GC
CCR-eOW-1Gw-1G




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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 12:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps

> Currently running a pair of mikrotik ccr1036 routers doing ~6gbps 
> each, have two 10gbps transits and would like to upgrade to something that 
> possibly has 40g ports, I really want to stick with mikrotik but I like the 
> idea of having redundant routing engines, I just don't know if it's in the 
> budget...
  Every time this comes up on NANOG the concensus is to get a Juniper MX204 
(20k+). If you don't need full tables, get an Arista 7050 for about a grand.
 
> I suppose I can build a beefy x86 with a pci-e 40g card?
  Purportedly Netgate's TSNR will do this. $400 per 10G of throughput per year.

  If you don't want to pay for a product, I guess you can spitball something 
together with FRR, VPP/DPDK. Nothing that routes with the kernel will do 10G+ 
at wirespeed PPS.

  BTW, why do you want to do 40G? Nobody I know will sell you transit at 40G. 
It's 10G or 100G.


Jared

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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:)


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She told me I 
am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I actually left it on a 
train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go catch that same train and found 
it.)But I digress.

She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she micro 
manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes it that way and 
I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go and I pay.  She makes sure 
I have clean clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as well as hotel 
rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up with my UK son-in-law as 
he is like this too.

But again, I digress.

I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  Hopefully one 
with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able to plug in an HDMI 
monitor too.  Mouse?

Dear Borg, what are my options?
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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Paul,

Give us a call, we have all of the solutions, including the high $$ ones if you 
want it.  Really depends on what they expect.  Expectations are everything.  We 
have deployed systems where a VOIP phone can roam without issues, but again, 
they are different than most.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

We have a small agriculture "campus" where we need to connect about 6 APs back 
to the campus tower for "roaming" Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning the guy 
with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs 
automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, 
backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE MTU Newb confusion

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

If you can set the L2MTU on the UBNT radio to 1508 or better yet 1510, then you 
should be able to specify the MTU of the PPPoE to 1508,  then you should be 
able to have a full 1500 byte packets without fragmentation.  Of course, if 
UBNT can't do this, I would recommend not using them, but I regress.  Else you 
will have to use a device that can do that without issues, or suffer 
fragmentation, not somtghing that is uncommon.  It really won't make much 
difference in the grand scheme of things.  



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 7:16 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE MTU Newb confusion

I can't speak to the Ubiquiti equipment, but PPPoE adds 8 bytes of overhead.  
So MTU will normally be 1492, and the PPPoE client will normally enforce this 
by modifying MTU advertisements from the client side.

What you want to do seems comparable to carrying 8 passengers in an 8 seat van, 
forgetting that the driver takes up 1 seat.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 11:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE MTU Newb confusion

If it's not clear.I want to carry a mother truckin 1500 byte packet from 
the end user to the internet.  I have full control of the path between the 
pppoe client and server, so I didn't anticipate this being a problem, but 
somehow it's a problem.


On 8/13/2019 12:04 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> So I've never done much with PPPoE.
>
> In my test setup I have a Mikrotik PPPoE Server set with "Max MTU" of 
> 9216.  This is a CCR with an actual max of 10,000+ bytes.
>
> The PPPoE client is a Ubiquiti ER-X-SFP.  The Ubiquiti client will not 
> allow me to set an MTU on the PPPoE interface higher than 1500. They 
> physical interface has an MTU of 2016 (maximum for this platform).
>
> The active session on the mikrotik server reports "Actual MTU" of 
> 1480, and fragments packets larger than that. Packets larger than 1492 
> are silently dropped.
>
> There's a switch between the tik server and ubnt client, and it has 
> jumbo frames enabled and has an MTU of 9216.
>
> So I'm 100% confused.
> If the MTU on the client is 1500, where are the limits of 1480 and/or
> 1492 coming from?
> Why in the ever loving hell does the Ubiquiti router not allow an MTU 
> higher than 1500 on the PPPoE client?
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] IPSEC on Tile

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have not had any issues..  



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPSEC on Tile

Is there still any issue with IPSEC on the CCR Tile platform?  There used to be 
issues related to hardware accelerated encryption if I recall correctly.  My 
info is now a few years old so I'm hoping it's fixed now, and also hoping one 
of you already knows so I don't need to test it :)



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 6.45.1 L2TP IPSec not working need updated guide

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

All I can say is that the new version makes things simpler, but I understand 
the confusion.  You could try to go back to the old version, reload the backup, 
then do a upgrade to 6.44, then to 6.45.2 and see if that fixes it.  Else I 
would have to take a look at it ☹


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 6.45.1 L2TP IPSec not working need updated guide

Hello,

We upgraded from a very old version of RouterOS to 6.45.1

it completely scrambled the IPSec settings

I have been trying to rebuild it following online how-to guides

but the way IPSec settings are now in winbox are completely different than 
anything I can find online


I turned on debug logging for ipsec and its saying ikev peer not setup for the 
IP that tries to connect

I don't see anything setup for ikev so I'm very confused

dose anyone on here have an updated link showing how to setup LT2P VPN Server 
with IPSec??

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Re: [AFMUG] I think I’m back?

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Yep see you there man!


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 2:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I think I’m back?

Thanks everyone!  Looking forward to the Wispapalooza show as usual and see you 
there!



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, July 22, 2019 at 9:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I think I’m back?

Welcome back!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 10:40 PM Jon Langeler 
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote:
You are!

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jul 21, 2019, at 9:13 PM, Andreas Wiatowski 
> mailto:andr...@silo.ca>> wrote:
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> We switched to O365 ...I haven’t been able to participate for quite a while 
> because of a problem with our old exchange server... hope I’m back.
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Re: [AFMUG] Netonix switch in hot environment

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Rhys,

We have plenty of power coated vented fan boxes in stock.  If you need them.   
FYI.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Rhys Cuff (Latrobe IT)
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 7:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix switch in hot environment

Thanks very much for that.
With the fan, is it used to vent the cabinet or just move the air around?

Thanks again

Rhys

Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Jul 2019, at 9:37 pm, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
We do the same as TJ.   We get to 100 degrees here in the summer, the inside of 
the cabinet gets much warmer, but we have a simple thermostat controlled fan 
that seems to help.   We haven't had issues with over heating or issues with 
the cold if the cabinet heater fails for some reason.  Only issue with Netonix 
is that we will lose one time and again from electrical/grounding issues.   
They seem more fragile than the rest of the equipment in the cabinet to that.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 1:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix switch in hot environment

I run them in a pretty hot climate, we hit 110*f max in the summers, they are 
in beige boxes with fans in the box, run fine.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 11:34 PM Rhys Cuff (Latrobe IT) 
mailto:r...@latrobeit.com.au>> wrote:
Hello

I'm starting to use Netonix switch's now.
It's winter now and in summer here in Aus the inside of a box will be 125F +
That's close to the limit of these switches,  has anyone run them this hot? Do 
the fans scream all day long?

Thanks

Rhys

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Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer / Tech Support Position in Sunny Florida

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Thanks for the vote of confidence 


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 5:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer / Tech Support Position in Sunny Florida

I used linktechs a couple times in the last month or so, ill vouch for them, 
prompt, cost effective, clear communications.

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 4:24 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Paul,  we are always there if you need us.  Just giving you a FYI   We have 
multiple engineers on hand to tackle virtually any issues.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 7:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Network Engineer / Tech Support Position in Sunny Florida

Hey guys,

Just throwing this out there.  If you are looking to relocate to sunny Florida, 
 Florida Broadband has an opening starting immediately, for a key position in 
the company.  After 10 years, my right hand man from a technical standpoint, is 
changing life directions and we need to replace him.

This was a bit unexpected and just happened, and we have relatively short 
notice, so I haven’t had a chance to draft a formal Job Offer sheet.   I will 
have that in a few days.  The position currently wears many hats.  Admin’ing 
the network has responsibilities, but when that is going properly, there is a 
lot of other things to do, including being involved in tech support. Our 
network is fairly simple.   Fortunately, things run pretty smoothly here 
(except the summer storms), so even that is not an all-consuming task.  Being 
able to program is a bonus as we have some perl and a little PHP routines 
written.  So, a wide general skillset would work best.

Florida Broadband is growing and we are looking for good people. Not wanting to 
poach anybody’s people (and that probably wouldn’t happen anyway), but if 
someone is looking for a geographic change in sunny Florida, there is an 
opportunity here.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer / Tech Support Position in Sunny Florida

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Paul,  we are always there if you need us.  Just giving you a FYI   We have 
multiple engineers on hand to tackle virtually any issues.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 7:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Network Engineer / Tech Support Position in Sunny Florida

Hey guys,

Just throwing this out there.  If you are looking to relocate to sunny Florida, 
 Florida Broadband has an opening starting immediately, for a key position in 
the company.  After 10 years, my right hand man from a technical standpoint, is 
changing life directions and we need to replace him.

This was a bit unexpected and just happened, and we have relatively short 
notice, so I haven’t had a chance to draft a formal Job Offer sheet.   I will 
have that in a few days.  The position currently wears many hats.  Admin’ing 
the network has responsibilities, but when that is going properly, there is a 
lot of other things to do, including being involved in tech support. Our 
network is fairly simple.   Fortunately, things run pretty smoothly here 
(except the summer storms), so even that is not an all-consuming task.  Being 
able to program is a bonus as we have some perl and a little PHP routines 
written.  So, a wide general skillset would work best.

Florida Broadband is growing and we are looking for good people. Not wanting to 
poach anybody’s people (and that probably wouldn’t happen anyway), but if 
someone is looking for a geographic change in sunny Florida, there is an 
opportunity here.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Uptime robot, it costs but not much.  Pretty interface and looks super nice.  
Will give you a dashboard via web just like https://status.linktechs.net ..  I 
think we pay less than 10 bucks a month or something like that.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

PRTG is free for 100 sensors.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately 
they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something and 
make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a freaking 
huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going to want some 
money.

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure someone 
has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS every 30 
seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back record the time.
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Re: [AFMUG] Email Hosting

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We host a shared mail servers..  Pricing is on our website 


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Email Hosting

Is anyone using everyone.net for hosting isp email 
accounts? How well does it work?

Getting sick of maintaining servers.

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Re: [AFMUG] Charter blocking our billing Server

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Call them.  Their NOC should be able to help.  Note that on Fiber services I 
don’t think the block much.  What IP… ?? I can do some checking here?


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 5:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Charter blocking our billing Server

Hello,

Our billing Server is working everywhere expect people trying to pay on charter 
service

Dose anyone know who to contact to check why charter would be blocking on IP?

The really odd thing is it works at some charter locations and some it will not 
even ping the server IP or do an Nslookup


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Re: [AFMUG] 500 foot shot

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

LGH60, MikroTik 60GHz, 1gig full duplex Done.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 4:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] 500 foot shot

We need to put up a 100Meg link for our county.   Possible they may eventually 
need 500Meg.   Is the IgniteNet 60Ghz solid and ready for prime time?   I would 
use AF24 but this link is about 4 degrees off an existing AF24 link!!!  Could 
use Siklu but don't see using it anywhere else so would need to hold a spare.   
However if IgniteNet worked well I could see other uses.   Other thoughts?

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

 Anyway to integrate any of those doorbell camera system into a unifi server?
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From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:07:45 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras

The Nest cams seem to use less bandwidth, around 200 kbps per cam although I 
think you can change the video resolution setting, but they typically stream to 
the cloud DVR constantly.  And since they get put inside, rather than just at 
the front door, people tend to install a bunch of them, 5 is not uncommon, so 
even at 200 kbps per cam now you have 1 Mbps upstream.

The WiFi problem seems to be common to all these WiFi cameras.  I need to hire 
someone to explain the "sticking cheap little WiFi things with poor antennas 
everywhere and expecting them to work automagically" problem to customers 
because I'm losing patience and fear I will start biting heads off.  I notice 
that customers who actually hire a security camera company seem to end up with 
wired cameras.  Although ADT seems to install WiFi cameras.  So all burglars 
need to do is bring a WiFi jammer?  Maybe it comes down to security cameras 
bill for parts and labor while ADT has a fixed price and wants to minimize 
their labor?  More likely the local security camera guy is used to setting up 
businesses and takes a more robust approach.  I wonder when the police get the 
security camera footage from businesses near a crime, how many are "in the 
cloud" over the Internet or on someone's cellphone, and how many are stored 
locally?  Given that stores, banks, warehouses,  etc. may have dozens of 
cameras, I would think local storage starts to be more logical than streaming 
it all to cloud storage?  Or maybe they don't want thieves to steal the hard 
drive from the security system?  I would hope that's in a locked room.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 12:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras

They only use the bandwidth when they are motion triggered which was a
large part when I am using them.   The majority of the issues we see
with people are because it is placed outside of a good wifi signal.

On 4/27/19 10:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I don't have personal experience, but I have found customers with Ring 
> doorbells to be high maintenance customers.  They complain about a lag of a 
> few seconds in triggering video to their phone, which somehow they think must 
> be an Internet problem.  The Ring doorbells also seem to need a lot of 
> upstream bandwidth, like >1 Mbps per camera, so that people with more than 
> one of them can max out the upstream on their Internet connection.  I'm not 
> sure why you need to see the UPS guy's butt walking away from your door in 
> 1080p high def.  Maybe this is based on earlier generations of the Ring 
> product and they have improved.  One customer recently reported that the 
> police had caught a burglar based on license plate info from a neighbor's 
> Ring doorbell, so maybe that is more of a "ringing" endorsement.
>
> Chuck probably has FTTH, so upstream bandwidth may not be a scarce commodity.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 11:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras
>
> So I will put that in the “less than ringing endorsement” column.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
>>
>> I'm using ring, but the website support is marginal..
>>
>>> On 04/27/2019 08:31 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> I want one of the front door door bell cameras.  Just have not picked one.  
>>> Any recommendations for that?
>>> *From:* Matt
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 27, 2019 9:25 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras I was
>>> looking hard at Blink as well. Is there a way on iPhone app to switch 
>>> accounts easily?  Say I have one blink account with tower site cameras etc. 
>>> I want to let certain other coworkers to have access 

Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

MT LTE and LTE 4G kits   Works great!


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

Readynet has one that works with the T-Mobile cards we provide.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
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[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 9:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

We use Hologram quite a bit. Buying the SIM is one thing, activating it is 
another. If you haven't logged into the Hologram portal yet and setup your SIM 
you should. Make sure you name it apporpriately so you know which one you are 
fiddling with. Once that is done you should be able to just plug it into 
anything that supports that kind of SIM and go to town.

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 7:58 PM liddy303 
mailto:liddy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

Dredging up an old topic here I just got a Netgear LB1120 and a Hologram 
SIM card.   So far, I haven't been able to make this thing work.

TJ-- It looks as simple as activating the SIM card, installing it, and setting 
the APN of "hologram" in the Netgear.   Is that about it, or am I missing 
something?

Thank you!

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:02 PM Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
They are a global aggregation service that is designed for iot apps. My plans 
are all 40 cents per month plus a per MB price. I got billed $3 one month and 
they ended up refunding half of it. They have a bunch of built in tools 
designed to help with the whole NAT tunnel issue.

If you just need occasional or out of band access I have found none better. You 
can use their dashboard to turn sims on or off as often as you like which stops 
the monthly. You pay $5 for each sim up front and use whatever modem you like.

If your modem supports it, it will connect to almost any carrier in the world.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 21:02 Jon Langeler 
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote:
So what exactly does that service do?
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jul 7, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
They are both really cheap and really good. I have been using it for months. I 
think my highest bill has been three dollars. I use it intermittently.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 11:20 TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> 
wrote:
I have the 1120 connected to all of our CCR's using 
hologram.io service because they include a VPN to get 
inbound access, they were the only guys I could find that would provide a non 
nat connection or at-least a way to get through the cellular network NAT 
without paying the crazy monthly price and setup fee for att or verizon and a 
static ip

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Josh Heide 
mailto:j...@velociter.net>> wrote:

Has anyone used netgear LB1120 for mikrotik out of band access? IF not any 
suggestions on what lte modem or setup works best for remote access?

Thanks in advance!!




Josh Heide

Wireless Network Manager

Velociter Wireless, Inc.

209-838-1221 x108

1525 2nd st, Escalon Ca 95320

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Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

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USB KVM.    hehehe


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From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch


Windows

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch
Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 12:38 PM

Are they all windows or linux?  There is a very obvious solution.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch


Have a location with about 8 different devices.  Most are now usb mouse / 
keyboard

What's best kvm type switch now?

Mine at home is all ps/2

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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi in the Park

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Ben,

We use HSNM, I know cnPilot has stuff built in, but we choose to support and 
sell HSNM for a number of reasons.  It has advertisement module that you can 
inject ads into pages and such, you can limit usage based off free or paid 
accounts, you can have them self-subscribe (i.e. pay online) as well as have a 
number of restaurants that offer free WIFI for doing a survey (most of these 
they love).   Lots of options here.  Of course, both UniFI and cnPilot has 
parts of these systems, just not everything.

As far as turning off the system, why do that, on the weekends offer free 128 
or 256k restrictive access, restrict, youtube, Netflix etc.  restrict ports to 
just the basics, but then offer a paid option, and leave the system on, it 
should turn off the free access outside of the weekend hours. 


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ben Royer
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 1:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wifi in the Park

Hey all,

So here’s an open question for conversation starting.  What does everyone do 
for WIFI in a public area?  Specifically, I’m looking at best practice for 
access.  I’m going to start deploying cnPilot AP’s at some of our small 
community baseball fields.  Some of these communities have little to no cell 
service, and when you’re at the ball park and want to share a video of your 
child playing, or tell family where you are, or even in emergencies, you need 
connectivity.  So I’m looking at leveraging this need with opportunity for our 
company and providing free service, but use it for marketing, with the 
potential to upsell ‘Advanced Services’.  IE; could offer streaming cameras, 
higher capacity, etc. for a cost.  One local park is stating they will limit 
connectivity by just unplugging the equipment when they are not there, however 
I find this to be some what archaic in nature.  Thus, my long winded question, 
what’s the best practice for allowing limited access on this network, that 
prevents users from sitting and streaming movies in the parking lot, during 
weeknights, but allows attendees to utilize the service as preferred.  I’m not 
asking for the how, I’m well versed in the capabilities of the equipment, but 
more asking the which, what’s the group typically lean towards using over the 
other, vouchers vs. open, time limits, bandwidth limits, and so on?

Thank you,
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Also note that you will need NAT rules for both of these as well, many people 
forget that there is more than just the routing system in play here. 


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 12:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

Timothy,

Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using BGP 
now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.

Here is something to try.

On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 0.0.0.0/0.  In 
the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  To the right you'll see an up and 
down arrow.  If you click on that it will allow you to put in a second gateway.

The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber gateway in 
twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1 ratio.  This will 
only work if you are using private IP addresses to the customers and NATing at 
the router.

If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing rules 
in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.

As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there is 
better information on a WIKI somewhere.



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Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:37:32 PM, you wrote:

asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so 
linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP address 
for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Not automatically.  You can tell how inbound traffic comes, just not 100% .  
Maybe, 80-95%, but it depends on how much IP space you have and how large the 
other providers are, ETC, there is not a “ ONE SIZE FITS ALL” approach to BGP, 
you have to know what you want to do, then have to know what tools you have 
available, and then and only then can you TRY to see if you can accomplish 99% 
or 80%.   NOTE, that there are TOOLS and simulation software out that, but 
those are usually price prohibitive..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

So the thing to remember is that you can bond and balance all outgoing traffic 
however there’s not a whole lot you can do to dictate how traffic comes inbound 
to you.  BGP can help but there’s not much you can do to determine routes too 
you.

Unless of course you have full control over both links, which it sounds like 
you don’t since they are from 2 different providers.

-Sean

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 2:16 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Josh,

Yes.  I was describing the winbox setup.  Not sure if you can do 
1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2 in winbox or if you have to pull down to get another gateway 
box.
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I think what you're saying is your dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 
gateway=1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

Timothy,

Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using BGP 
now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.

Here is something to try.

On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 
0.0.0.0/0.  In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  
To the right you'll see an up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will 
allow you to put in a second gateway.

The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber gateway in 
twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1 ratio.  This will 
only work if you are using private IP addresses to the customers and NATing at 
the router.

If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing rules 
in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.

As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there is 
better information on a WIKI somewhere.



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asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so 
linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP address 
for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Correct.  It is ECMP, no guarantee that xyz traffic will go on xyz circuit.  
There are other ways to do that as well.  If they have a datacenter connection 
you can also use that, but that is still not going to guarantee data rates.  No 
such thing as BONDING those two circuits without BGP, they could have BGP if 
the WISP supports it, and the fiber should .  Just a matter of having enough 
IPs to do something with, that he don’t have.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

I think what you're saying is your dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 
gateway=1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Timothy,

Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using BGP 
now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.

Here is something to try.

On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 
0.0.0.0/0.  In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  
To the right you'll see an up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will 
allow you to put in a second gateway.

The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber gateway in 
twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1 ratio.  This will 
only work if you are using private IP addresses to the customers and NATing at 
the router.

If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing rules 
in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.

As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there is 
better information on a WIKI somewhere.



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asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so 
linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP address 
for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

ECMP.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

does that function as even distribution or round robin or what?

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 3:06 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I think what you're saying is your dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 
gateway=1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Timothy,

Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using BGP 
now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.

Here is something to try.

On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 
0.0.0.0/0.  In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  
To the right you'll see an up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will 
allow you to put in a second gateway.

The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber gateway in 
twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1 ratio.  This will 
only work if you are using private IP addresses to the customers and NATing at 
the router.

If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing rules 
in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.

As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there is 
better information on a WIKI somewhere.



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Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:37:32 PM, you wrote:

asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so 
linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP address 
for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Yep works great!


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 4:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

Yes, we carry L2 back to central PPPoE servers. You can simply have multiple 
PPPoE servers listing on the L2 network if you want redundancy.

Dual stack appears to work with Mikrotik PPPoE servers, but I never tried 
putting it into production, because the ePMP's PPPoE implementation doesn't 
support IPv6 yet... I'm pretty sure I did have it working with UBNT clients and 
a MikroTik PPPoE server though (I assume it would work with a Mikrotik client 
too).

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't done much with PPPoE.

For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one
central PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each
tower?

Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?

Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?

Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE
server can assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do both v4
and v6 at the same time.

Anything else a newb should do or not do?



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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Depends on your network and its exit points.   
Yes you can have dual or quad PPPoE Servers.
Nope you can run PPPoE in a VLAN
Yes you can simply dual-stack with PPPoE, it’s the simplest method to do so.  
At the same time no problem.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 2:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PPPoE

I haven't done much with PPPoE.

For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one central 
PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each tower?

Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?

Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?

Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE server can 
assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do both v4 and v6 at the same 
time.

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Re: [AFMUG] Remote work

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have plenty of time for customers.   


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 11:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Remote work

The good thing going for you is you can do night service in the states. A lot 
of the consultants are super busy. Good luck to you. I’ll keep you in mind when 
I need things that are smarter than I done.

J

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 8:25 PM Timothy Steele 
mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Looking for Remote work so I can stay in the Philippines with my wife for 2 
years don't need to make much as it's super cheap there..

If anyone has any ideas of what they would need done Remote and what you would 
be willing to pay please let me know


Sense no one seems to want a remote WISP worker I'm thinking of starting my own 
Remote service

Any ideas welcome


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: A great opportunity from State of NY

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

So I wonder, can you propose a NEGITIVE number to the state? I.e. they pay you? 
  If you are the cheapest, even though they pay you, are they required to take 
it ? heheheehe. I know the answer but still.  




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From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 3:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: A great opportunity from State of NY

NY State Parks department wants someone to install WiFi in 35 parks at public 
locations like beaches, pools, etc.

Here's an excerpt from the attached ad, emphasis added by me:
State Parks is seeking proposals for a statewide turn-key solution to provide 
public
Wi-Fi service to 35 state facilities including without limitation at state 
beaches,
pools, golf courses, campgrounds, cottages and historic sites. Licensee is 
solely
responsible for all equipment and costs of all associated installation and
maintenance of the equipment, and pay a fee to State Parks.

I read the whole RFP thinking there must be something unclear in the ad.  Nope. 
 AND it's much worse than the ad says.
They want people to bid on how much they're willing to pay for the privilege of 
putting WiFi in the park.  You can put up signs with your logo on them, and you 
can recoup costs with paid "premium" service, but basic service sufficient for 
web browsing, email, and social media has to be free.  You can recoup costs 
with advertising or sponsorships, but no more than two sponsors per location 
and sponsor ads can't be displayed for more than 30 seconds.

But wait there's more!

Crown Castle has a contract with State of NY to manage wireless infrastructure 
on state property.  So you have to apply to Crown Castle for license to install 
each of your APs, with a $1500 application fee per location.  Crown being who 
they are, you can bet they'll want engineering fees as well.

Oh if they already have network connection(s) at the park you aren't allowed to 
use them.  You have to get your own connection somehow.

Oh and you need to provide tech support for park visitors from 7am to midnight, 
an SLA guaranteeing uptime, restore full service within 48 hours of a disaster, 
and my personal favorite requirement: "Network must restore itself in the event 
of a disruption to service "

I'm going to pass on this one, but maybe one of you all is interested LOL.

-Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] Cameras - kind of OT, kind of...

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

JVC GY-HM250, that is what MikroTik uses to do their live video streams from 
the MUMs.  Super nice camera, all of the bells and whistles.Records and 
streams in 4k etc.  Audio input for great audio etc.



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ben Royer
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cameras - kind of OT, kind of...

Hey all,

As I’ve posted before I have my YouTube channel where I’m trying always expand 
the offerings for our industry.  My question for the group is who has Digital 
Cams, and/or has done some YouTube work, and if so, what’s the recommended?  I 
have been doing them so far with a GoPro and a Logitech C920 Webcam, a Yeti 
Mic, and some lighting, etc.  I’m going to upgrade with a nice camera and 
shotgun mic for mobile options, just thought I’d ask.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT football

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Yep, I know LOTS of superbowl parites that got caneled in St. Louis when the 
Lambs one that last game, such a bad call.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 11:07 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT football

Go St. Louis oh, wait...
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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Yep.  Happens al of the time with LoL (league of legends).  There is a few open 
source solutions to that, but they are a pain to setup for the most part.  As 
long as you have plenty of CPU it should be fine though.

We did a gaming center, they had LoL Tournments and they got DDOSed all of the 
time.  Then we ended up doing a 50 meg leased line to the local data center, 
then we had a private IP on the LoL network, no more DDOS   lol




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From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 5:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

Knock on wood, we only get about 1-2 ddos a year with ~10k subs, we have 
blackhole communities setup for mitigation but usually the attack stops before 
we can even identify the attack and destination. "knocks on wood"

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 3:22 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Could be revenge for something like one of our guys bragged about the other 
day.  He and his buddy were playing and made a bet.  The next guy to get killed 
had to pay the other guy $100 (outside of the game).  Our guy promptly ran up 
behind his buddy in the game and shot him in the back of the head.  He was very 
proud of winning the bet……

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 4:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

Friendly fire is on for realism.  It's so you have to check your targets
and not just turn every corner already shooting, nor can you use
grenades indiscriminately.

As to why they do it, sometimes you can see them losing their temper at
a teammate over some perceived slight then they pop a few rounds into
their buddy.  Sometimes it's retaliation for being killed by their
teammate.  Every now and then you get some person who joins the game
seemingly just to silently shoot their own team in the back.  I don't
know what motivates that last person. Maybe they're an enraged
adolescent who feels powerless in real life and thrills in exercising
power over another person even if it's in a trivial way..or maybe
he's just a dick.

I mostly play older games now, like Day of Defeat.  The community is a
lot smaller and everyone is more polite.


On 1/28/2019 10:03 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> I thought team kill was turned of on games like that.
>
> Nate Burke wrote:
>> So is that something he would have done on purpose?  Why?
>>
>> On 1/28/2019 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> He killed someone else on his own team.
>>>
>>> A large amount of game play is *NOT* centralized, that's why NAT
>>> issues are what they are.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, January 28, 2019 8:48:03 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Gaming Explanations
>>>
>>> Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple
>>> hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the
>>> offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow
>>> Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down
>>> who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or
>>> are there still P2P games out there?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Um. Let me think.  NO, in fact, unless you need storage, SSDs are the way to 
go.  Just simply faster.  Not larger, heck I think they got 12tb drives out 
now, but still.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

Nope.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
dropped,  I  was  thinking  about using SSD over the HDD.  Most likely
going to be a Ubuntu system with linux SW raid 10.

Any reason not to go with the SSD?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT My 2018 Email Traffic

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

The question is are your forcing secure communications, SSL and TLS vs sending 
their password in clear text.  Assuming you are running your own servers.  If 
you are not forcing users to use secure method of password transmissions, then 
yes, you could be held liable.  Is it going to get to that, doubt it, but 
still.  Make sure that you have SSL and TLS setup, make sure that you don’t 
allow access to your mail server without a secured method.    I have seen it 
time and time again.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 11:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT My 2018 Email Traffic

I had a customer call yesterday saying he suddenly received 4000 emails in one 
day, plus 2 of his credit cards were “hacked” by which he means fraudulent 
purchases.  And somehow he is thinking this is his ISPs fault.  I have heard 
lots of email problems through the years, but suddenly 4000 emails in one day 
is a new one, especially if they all passed the spam filter.  And as far as his 
Best Buy credit card which he says he hasn’t used in 2 years and isn’t on his 
computer, all I can say is who has a Best Buy credit card?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 4:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT My 2018 Email Traffic

17225Received
13481Sent

30706Total

14.76 emails per hour either read or written if confined to work hours only.
Averages 1 every 4 minutes.

Additionally about 9229 animal farm emails for fun.

And my kids think I should also text and FB and tweet and and and
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

You can use LTE SXTs outside with a SIM in them.  That works quite well and 
gets service where normal cells can’t.  Then its just a port on your router.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Tim Withrow 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?


Yes, you are right. I had to go look back at the original bill. The 500 bucks 
is a one time setup fee for however many statics ip's you require for your 
various  byod, like cradlepoints or Verizon's devices. There is no recurring 
charges for ip's thereafter.

Also you could use a VPN and port forward to get around no static ip issue. If 
it's only one device that seems the most practical route.


On Thursday, December 27, 2018 Brandon Yuchasz 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Tim,

All I have found for an option through Verizon was a 500 dollar one time setup 
charge through their business sales team to setup the static and then a monthly 
charge of around 50$.

ATT has a new business plan for 55$ a month comes with a static and 3mbps 
download “unlimited”.

How did you go about getting the 4$ static from Verizon? Was it a business 
account or a personal?



Thanks,

Brandon





From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:05 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Tim Withrow
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?



Verizon has static IP's for about 4 bucks month for the hotspots.



On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 Seth Mattinen 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

On 12/26/18 09:39, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> I use a combination of VZ,T-mobile, and ATT service and use a Mikrotik
> with LTE card have that LTE connection call back in to a vpn server in a
> datacenter. Getting the service from them can be difficult i usually use
> a MVNO like ting or freedompop and set them up o the cheapest plans.
> Direct just tell them its for an android tablet or laptop they are not
> as particular if you set up a business account and/or go through a
> reseller.


I haven't had a problem with getting SIM cards from VZ for devices. I
usually just take whatever it is to a store and say "I need a SIM for
this thing". They mull around a bit longer than if you brought them a
phone but that's about it.

~Seth


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Re: [AFMUG] Emergency Contact for LinkTech guys?

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Our office number.. lol .  Right below, we are open!  Lol


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Emergency Contact for LinkTech guys?

The Boss has a bit of an emergency with Publics not routing correctly on 
Mikrotik   said he signed up but still waiting for a reply

I understand signing up can take some time but we have a major client that we 
need to get working ASAP is there an Email Address I can have the boss send an 
email to?
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We went with a 20k Generac propane unit.  The tough part is clean power for UPS 
..  ☺


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Local Generator


What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone missing. 
It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than enough. It just 
needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.



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Re: [AFMUG] Server Hardware

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

You can purchase a 24 core xeon box for 250-300 ish on ebay.  RAM is king 
though.  

With products like Proxmox, its hard to identify what one is better.  I would 
state that as long as you have data backups then get smaller boxes with huge 
CPU and RAM, where your data comes from don't matter as long as it has 
redundancy.  


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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 10:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Server Hardware



On 11/26/2018 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> It's been a few years since I last went on this journey.
>
> (1) Will I get better prices on Dell from a VAR than I see on the Dell 
> website?
>
> (2) I've heard Supermicro touted as a value brand, but when I spec 
> similar Supermicro and Dell systems Dell comes out cheaper.  Am I 
> missing something?
>
> (3) Do you prefer a whole lot of cheap systems, or a small number of 
> really nice ones?  I have reasons to like the latter, but I'm ready to 
> be swayed.

If you're wondering, the Intel Atom C3850 is what has me reconsidering on item 
3. You can get 12 cores in a sub $1,000 box.

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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Its not a app, it’s just the Mobil version, TowerCoverage on a app is not used 
anymore.  No point with the mobile version.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 12:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

I remember tower coverage doing this but whenever I install the app it 
uninstalls its self on android

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:11 PM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
And include building data to determine LOS?


Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143
m:
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[fb-logo]<https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Dennis Burgess via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

TowerCoverage can do that with the mobile version, it can use your GPS location 
to do a path analysis.  ☺


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea is for 
the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest towers.

We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the LOS 
calculations.

Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not include it.

Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the data we 
need.

Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143
m:
<http://www.aeronetpr.com/>

<http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
 <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

TowerCoverage can do that with the mobile version, it can use your GPS location 
to do a path analysis.  ☺


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea is for 
the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest towers.

We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the LOS 
calculations.

Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not include it.

Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the data we 
need.

Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143
m:
[aeronet-logo]

[inc500]

[fb-logo]

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Pass Enabled Public in Route List to Eth8 how

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Never use proxy-arp.  Does not help.  If you wish to bridge, bridge, it, don’t 
use proxy-arp to do it.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Pass Enabled Public in Route List to Eth8 how


OK so I'm trying to learn this Mikrotik stuff

I posted this on the Mikrotik forums a few days ago with no reply's

We have Public IP's that we enable in the route list and I think it sends for 
proxy arp to Bridge to a sort of 1:1 NAT  (the guy who set this up quite)

and this works fine when we go to a clients house and install a Mikrotik and 
make a bridge


My issue is we Have a Server on eth8 on the WAN Cloud Core router

All I want to do is bridge a Public to eth8 but can't seem to be able to get it 
to work

I enabled the public IP in the Route List and gave it the gateway of eth8 
instead of the NAT IP as the gateway like all the others


it says reachable and not bridge reachable like the other working ones

do I need to create a Bridge?


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Re: [AFMUG] dkim dmarc implementation

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Yes, it basically states that as long as you are sending with the proper DKIM 
and SPF what the mail server should do.  If it not,  then you can tell it to 
reject.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] dkim dmarc implementation

yes, just relaying emails without having to actually sent up authentication to 
the email server. nothing more fun than 30 devices that authenticate to a 
mailserver and doing a password change.
so i just open relay through an on network server, no authentication. Same 
thing with powercode outbound emails, no authentication to our mailserver, just 
SPF policy.

Does Dmarc allow me to allow authorized hosts that are present in SPF?

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:13 AM Dennis Burgess via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Depends on what you are doing.  If you are relaying SMTP traffic after scanning 
it, not really of any one domain, then no that won’t work.My assumption 
though is that you are doing this for a company that has devices etc. and you 
need to relay e-mails.  My recommendation is that you install your dkim, setup 
your SFP as well as implement DMARC, this would effectively prevent spoofing of 
your domain.  Assuming that is what you are doing.Note that everyone should 
be looking at dmarc, dkim and spf to validate emails.  ☺


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] dkim dmarc implementation

On alot of the networks we manage, we set up an smtp relay locally on the 
network for thinks like scan to email (alot of scanners and printers that were 
older didnt have authentication) and other notification/alert sending devices. 
The relay is IP restricted. We used IP SPF to allow the sending.
We also did SPF to allow things like webservers to send on behalf of.
If we implement dkim, will that require that the signature be attached to ALL 
domain emails, or will SPF still be functional for the relays and whatnot 
through dmarc rules?
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Re: [AFMUG] dkim dmarc implementation

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Depends on what you are doing.  If you are relaying SMTP traffic after scanning 
it, not really of any one domain, then no that won’t work.My assumption 
though is that you are doing this for a company that has devices etc. and you 
need to relay e-mails.  My recommendation is that you install your dkim, setup 
your SFP as well as implement DMARC, this would effectively prevent spoofing of 
your domain.  Assuming that is what you are doing.Note that everyone should 
be looking at dmarc, dkim and spf to validate emails.  ☺


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] dkim dmarc implementation

On alot of the networks we manage, we set up an smtp relay locally on the 
network for thinks like scan to email (alot of scanners and printers that were 
older didnt have authentication) and other notification/alert sending devices. 
The relay is IP restricted. We used IP SPF to allow the sending.
We also did SPF to allow things like webservers to send on behalf of.
If we implement dkim, will that require that the signature be attached to ALL 
domain emails, or will SPF still be functional for the relays and whatnot 
through dmarc rules?
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Re: [AFMUG] Enclosures

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We had these made for us..
https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2517=22
[cid:image002.jpg@01D47BF9.2CB0BB80]

We had a job where we had to have non-rusting gear on 911 towers, plus we 
needed space for power supplies, etc. It has a back plate, made of Aluminum, so 
no rusting, and has 13+U of rackmount space.  We redesigned them a bit to fit a 
Netonix 24 port POE perfectly inside, with enough room for fiber connections in 
the front.  It has a door holder, and comes with a key, but you can replace it 
with whatever you wish.  IT also have meshed venting, and we have both a pole 
mount kit as well as a thermostat controlled fan for these units.   We have 
been selling these for quite a while, we have had some customers put two one 
for batteries in the bottom and then one with all of the electronics in the top.

Hit me or my team up if interested off-list.



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ben Royer
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Enclosures

Hey WispWorld,

What enclosures are you using at tower sites?  The ones we used shot way up in 
price, so shopping around.

Thank you,
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Royell Communications, Inc.
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Re: [AFMUG] customers renting their own public IP / Nord VPN

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Or deploy IPv6.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 12:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] customers renting their own public IP / Nord VPN

Having more and more customers requesting public IP space for things like 
camera systems. Do not have enough to go around here most customers are on 
double NAT with 10.x.x.x on their router WAN port. I see there are VPN services 
available like NordVPN where a customer can rent their own public IP and have a 
VPN tunnel to get it to them. If the customer purchases their own router does 
that VPN tunnel work going through a double NAT? Trying to offer a solution to 
customers needing public IP space.
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Re: [AFMUG] customers renting their own public IP / Nord VPN

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Purchase IPs charge for them.  That way only people who REALLY want it get them.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 12:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] customers renting their own public IP / Nord VPN

Having more and more customers requesting public IP space for things like 
camera systems. Do not have enough to go around here most customers are on 
double NAT with 10.x.x.x on their router WAN port. I see there are VPN services 
available like NordVPN where a customer can rent their own public IP and have a 
VPN tunnel to get it to them. If the customer purchases their own router does 
that VPN tunnel work going through a double NAT? Trying to offer a solution to 
customers needing public IP space.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

I would not do that, latency differences will cause issues.  ECMP is simplest.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 11:06 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

I didn't take him to mean bonding DSL with LTE.  I think he's saying bonding 
two identical connections.

I get what you're saying about bonding vs load sharing.

I haven't done it, but I'm certain you could have two identical DSL 
connections, make a tunnel from each one to your data center, then run OSPF 
with equal cost load sharing across those two tunnels.  You still don't have 
more than 25meg on a speed test, but multiple connections in aggregate could 
use 50meg.  That's very easy if both connections perform the same.

Mikrotik's wiki says you can run LAG on top of EoIP.  I have never done this, 
but apparently it's a thing that exists.  The idea frightens me and I don't 
know why.
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Bonding_Examples

On 10/25/2018 4:41 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Implementation issues aside, I can’t imagine trying to serve a 50M DIA customer 
via DSL or LTE, much less DSL bonded with LTE.  Neither seems like an adequate 
service for that kind of customer.

When you say 25M DSL, are you talking VDSL, or something like ADSL2 which is 
probably already bonded to get that speed?

I’m also thinking that with 2 totally different technologies like DSL and 
cellular, with different latency and packet loss characteristics, you might get 
away with per-destination load sharing but not per-packet.

I usually think of “bonding” to mean something at layer 2, like ADSL supports 
bonding 2 or more copper lines to increase speed.  Or LAG.

But of course the question will be academic in a few months when they can get 
gigabit speeds on 5G.  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

mainly interested as a proof of concept, but say you have a customer who needs 
50m dia and you can only get 25m service (say DSL or LTE) I was interested in 
bonding them to provide redundancy and bonding using a remote mikrotik that can 
provide the tunneling and aggregation

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 5:29 AM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Trying to visualize the use.  If there is fiber, is  it not connected to the 
world?
This sounds like a way to cobble an upstream DIA and feed it into a fiber.


From: Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 6:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Dennis Burgess
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

Depends on the technology, can you load balance, sure, bonding is a different 
best and needs to be supported by your upstream..


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

Has anyone bonded wan interfaces using another mikrotik hosted elsewhere?

I.e. bonding multiple LTE or DSL connections on the wan of a remote mikrotik 
that is tunneled back to another router that has fiber?

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Yep, we do that with our data center and MT.  Its load balancing and failover 
more than “bonding”  bonding is a very strict thing, and like Ken said, LAG or 
MLPPP is about the only things you can do to create a true bond, but 99% of the 
time, when you look at it, bonding is NOT something that most people require, 
just load balancing and failover is fine with them.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

This was more of a discussion of the technical aspects of bonding using a 
remote router and the feasibility than a plan to implement, I know their are 
companies that offer routers with a 'cloud' bonding service, so I was curious 
if anyone has successfully implemented it with mikrotiks

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Implementation issues aside, I can’t imagine trying to serve a 50M DIA customer 
via DSL or LTE, much less DSL bonded with LTE.  Neither seems like an adequate 
service for that kind of customer.

When you say 25M DSL, are you talking VDSL, or something like ADSL2 which is 
probably already bonded to get that speed?

I’m also thinking that with 2 totally different technologies like DSL and 
cellular, with different latency and packet loss characteristics, you might get 
away with per-destination load sharing but not per-packet.

I usually think of “bonding” to mean something at layer 2, like ADSL supports 
bonding 2 or more copper lines to increase speed.  Or LAG.

But of course the question will be academic in a few months when they can get 
gigabit speeds on 5G.  mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

mainly interested as a proof of concept, but say you have a customer who needs 
50m dia and you can only get 25m service (say DSL or LTE) I was interested in 
bonding them to provide redundancy and bonding using a remote mikrotik that can 
provide the tunneling and aggregation

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 5:29 AM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Trying to visualize the use.  If there is fiber, is  it not connected to the 
world?
This sounds like a way to cobble an upstream DIA and feed it into a fiber.


From: Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 6:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Dennis Burgess
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

Depends on the technology, can you load balance, sure, bonding is a different 
best and needs to be supported by your upstream..


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

Has anyone bonded wan interfaces using another mikrotik hosted elsewhere?

I.e. bonding multiple LTE or DSL connections on the wan of a remote mikrotik 
that is tunneled back to another router that has fiber?

Best practices, what works?

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Depending on how you are doing this, it may or not be possible.

You are talking BONDING, this is a protocol function, as to get 50 meg on a 
single connection speed test.  Normally this is not needed, but it is possible. 
 With DSL, its simple, assuming they support MLPPPoE, you just add a secondary 
DSL modem/line to the PPPoE Session and then you have a true bonded link.  
Simple easy and will work just fine.

As far as other tunneling etc., that makes it much harder.  Plus with overhead 
you will lose some bandwidth, however, a few options.   If you have a MT back 
where you have the bandwidth, i.e. it has capabilities of over 50 meg and you 
have another MT on multiple DSL or LTE connections.  You can do OSPF load 
balancing, basically you build tunnels over each link (don’t really matter what 
kind) and then you use OSPF to pass data across tunnels. This does not give you 
50 meg down on a single connection, but will get you 50 meg aggregate, as long 
as you have many customers behind that 50 meg it will work fine and will 
balance decently, but if you are wishing to get 50 meg downloads, that is 
basically only done though true bonding, or breaking the standards.

There is a device that does break standards, but will aggregate links together, 
it does by breaking tcp standards, but it’s a mushroom networks box.  They 
basically start two downloads one on each circuit and with the technology they 
start one at 50% and one a 0% and then they continue to deliver it to you 
aggregate.

Several options, depending on what you want and require.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

mainly interested as a proof of concept, but say you have a customer who needs 
50m dia and you can only get 25m service (say DSL or LTE) I was interested in 
bonding them to provide redundancy and bonding using a remote mikrotik that can 
provide the tunneling and aggregation

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 5:29 AM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Trying to visualize the use.  If there is fiber, is  it not connected to the 
world?
This sounds like a way to cobble an upstream DIA and feed it into a fiber.


From: Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 6:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Dennis Burgess
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

Depends on the technology, can you load balance, sure, bonding is a different 
best and needs to be supported by your upstream..


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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

Has anyone bonded wan interfaces using another mikrotik hosted elsewhere?

I.e. bonding multiple LTE or DSL connections on the wan of a remote mikrotik 
that is tunneled back to another router that has fiber?

Best practices, what works?

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Depends on the technology, can you load balance, sure, bonding is a different 
best and needs to be supported by your upstream..


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik wan bonding using hosted router

Has anyone bonded wan interfaces using another mikrotik hosted elsewhere?

I.e. bonding multiple LTE or DSL connections on the wan of a remote mikrotik 
that is tunneled back to another router that has fiber?

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Re: [AFMUG] hotspot

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

What do you not like about HNSM, it does everything!  Lol  .. hit me off-list 
if needed.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Keith Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 12:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] hotspot

What's a good solution for RV park paid wifi HotSpots?

We currently use UniFi through the park, with HSNM on a MikroTik EDGE router, 
and paypal as the payment option.  I am NOT loving HSNM.  Any other known good 
options?
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik LTE antennas

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have customers purchasing them and installing SIM cards and reselling 
services.   We have them in stock.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik LTE antennas

Anyone tried the Mikrotik LTE stuff?

I dunno why but they look so cool I was thinking of installing one at home as a 
redundant connection :)


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Re: [AFMUG] VoIP Systems

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We just changed to a all grand stream PBX, including the 1U appliance.  Works 
great so far, auto-vision phones, get the 2160s (btw, we sell all of that) and 
then you have options for ring groups etc.  we don't use groups, we use queues, 
but that’s just me. Follow me works quite well as well.  


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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 12:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP Systems

I haven't kept up on this for the past 3 years at least.

Is there a small business VoIP appliance that people like?

What about Asterisk+FreePBX distributions like PBX-in-a-Flash or Asterisk@Home? 
 They kept having severe security issues with FreePBX, so I'd be a little shy 
about going down that road, but if it's improved in the past few years I'd try 
it again.  My other problem with FreePBX is that it made some hard things very 
easy and some easy things very hard (compared to editing asterisk config 
files).   I'm not sure it actually saved me much time over using vanilla 
Asterisk.

-Adam


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