[AFMUG] Sms alerting

[Nate Burke]

For years and years I've been using emails sent to phonenum...@vtext.com to 
send network alerts to my cellphone.  Recently it seems that has started 
randomly rate limiting me, thereby delaying alerts for several hours.  Smtp 
delivery to vtext.com is just deferred with a random error message.  I was 
wondering how others are getting notifications to their mobile device.  I could 
use 10DLC via my voip carrier, but that comes with its own whole set of 
regulations and possible fines when used for A2P.  Verizon has an 'enterprise 
messaging'  
https://www.verizon.com/business/products/voice-collaboration/business-sms-solutions/
  that says it is a direct replacement for vtext, but there is no pricing, so 
I'm guessing it's expensive.

I like the email gateway since I send each alert from a unique email address 
for that device, so on my phone in my messaging app, they are all nicely 
threaded by device.  Makes it really easy to track UPS statuses as a storm 
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Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

[Nate Burke]

I think it depends on a case by case basis.   I've kept everything as AC 
with Power supplies for each device simply because I will need to 
describe to someone over the phone, in a downpour, at night, how to 
troubleshoot a site, when their idea of small tools ends with a 4' Pipe 
wrench.  Saying 'is there a green light on power supply X' is easier 
than trying to track down DC Wires/fuses/breakers.  Just have them swap 
the bad Powersupply and that either fixed it or, didn't.  We also have a 
very good Power grid in our area, so we're not overly concerned with 
long runtimes.  Our average utility failure is <4 hours to restoration.  
And I have a pallet of brand new APC XL's that I paid $50 each for.  I 
can't build a DC plant for less than that. Let alone with all the power 
Monitoring the APC Gives me.


If you have a flaky grid and need long runtimes, then DC is the way to 
go, no question.


Another Network Engineer I work with prefers all DC Sites.  I've never 
been able to justify the cost/complexity of pure DC Setups. Especially 
when needing to do a mix of 24/48V, as is often present with older gear 
at most of our sites.



On 4/26/2024 1:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I have a bunch of various meanwell 48 vDC power supplies mostly  120 
and 350 watt models with most loads being 45wattish and some 108wattish.


One site im re-cabling has 1100w in PSUs taking a ton of space 
providing for a total demand of around 440w. Seems overkill and only 
accounts for the DC direct powered stuff, not the other 300w or so


Whats the consensus on an AC powered site? individual PSUs for ever 
equipment. Big PSU/rectifier for all?
Our battery capacity at this particular site is on the APC at the base 
providing just AC to the top, we are not bringing the batteries up for 
reasons and all electronics are up top.






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[AFMUG] Sonar V2 Updates

[Nate Burke]

I know a couple people here are using SonarV2.  How have you found it to 
be?  Seems we see weekly notices about some aspect of V2 breaking even 
though we're still on V1.    They've stopped aggressively pushing for us 
to upgrade from V1, so I'm not sure how that bodes.  In a chat I just 
had with support, they said that inside V2 there's a roadmap for 
features, but you can only see it if you have a V2 instance.  Do they 
have any updates on when they will Support Netflow?  Seems that it's 
been several months and they still can't get it working.


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Re: [AFMUG] Killer 900MHz?

[Nate Burke]

I've had a 5.2 FSK Connection on my roof pointing to a tower 2 miles 
away for the last 20 years.  When the guys were on my roof last fall 
working on another radio, they said that there's a perfect hole to the 
tower through all the trees that have grown up in the neighborhood.  
Like they're growing around the path.


On 4/22/2024 3:35 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


oops, my bad.  33cm is about 13 inches.  Still too long for juniper 
needles


On 4/22/24 13:12, Jan-GAMs wrote:


I vote for the neighbor's dog piss.

BTW the wavelength for 900Mhz is 33cm, (about a yard) is still too 
long for a juniper needle.  The photo looks like two trees planted 
close together, one dead, other dying.  And another BTW, if 900Mhz 
were fatal, you'd be long dead as most cell phones operate near that 
frequency, especially AT Verizon, Sprint was 850, don't know 
offhand who is on that now.  Many in-house cordless phones used 
900Mhz, too.  You should have died decades ago, if 900Mhz was fatal.  
Where's your brain-tumor now?


On 4/20/24 09:16, David Hannum wrote:
I know that needles really absorb 900mhz, but could this happen?  I 
can't see it at legal ERIP levels?  What do you engineers say?


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[AFMUG] Friday Funny

[Nate Burke]

Customer's equipment at a farm went down last evening.  Sent the Mom 
from across the driveway over this morning to check power. She found 
basement was damp and a GCFI was tripped.  Reported back later "Found 
out toddler had overflowed the tub last night"


Always exciting when a definitive cause is found.



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Re: [AFMUG] 45 Degree Pipe to Pipe Clamp

[Nate Burke]

That might work.  I wonder if the pipe might spin in that mount since it 
only has a clamp on 1 side, and the flat plate on the other.


On 4/8/2024 4:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Sitepro1 has a tieback mount called PUCK. Something like that?


 Original Message 
From: "Nate Burke" 
Sent: 4/8/2024 3:48:57 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] 45 Degree Pipe to Pipe Clamp

Has anyone seen a 45 degree pipe to pipe clamp.  Similar to this, but at
45 instead of 90.
https://valmont-sitepro1-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/spec-sheet/SSCK%20(Assembly).pdf

I'm looking to put a vertical pipe on a lattice tower, but the
horizontal mounts are 20' apart at the spot I need.  There is a
horizontal and angled cross member close together I could mount to, if I
could find a 45 clamp.  I just need a pipe to get a 2' Dish mounted.
I'm trying to avoid going around the 9" diameter tower leg just for a 2'
dish.




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[AFMUG] 45 Degree Pipe to Pipe Clamp

[Nate Burke]

Has anyone seen a 45 degree pipe to pipe clamp.  Similar to this, but at 
45 instead of 90. 
https://valmont-sitepro1-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/spec-sheet/SSCK%20(Assembly).pdf


I'm looking to put a vertical pipe on a lattice tower, but the 
horizontal mounts are 20' apart at the spot I need.  There is a 
horizontal and angled cross member close together I could mount to, if I 
could find a 45 clamp.  I just need a pipe to get a 2' Dish mounted.  
I'm trying to avoid going around the 9" diameter tower leg just for a 2' 
dish.



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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: EPMP 3000 Vs 4500

[Nate Burke]

Thanks for the Reply Sakid, So on an 80mhz channel, 4500AP to 4X SM will 
do around 700-800mb, so a 20mhz channel (realistically what is available 
in our area due to congestion) should be around 150-200mb/s?  Basically 
what we see on PTP Force425 links, just in multipoint?



Nate

On 3/29/2024 3:44 PM, Sakid Ahmed via AF wrote:

Responding to Nate's original thread - please see inline:

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 3:32 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 3000 Vs 4500

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/epmp4500-ap-8x8-backwards-compatibility/96599
if that helps

sounds like it's partly an 802.11ac to 802.11ax compatibility issue

I also seem to remember someone explaining to me that the 4500 was designed as 
8x8 to get maximum sector capacity with a limited channel width, whereas the 
4600 is aimed more toward using wide channels in 6 GHz to get the capacity.  
From that perspective, 4600 would also be better for single customer 
throughput, but again assuming you are using 6 GHz.  (or somehow have 80 MHz of 
clear 5 GHz spectrum)

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 9:32 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP 3000 Vs 4500

I was wondering if anyone has some real world results from changing
EPMP3000 to EPMP 4500.  I'm starting to get equipment for our site builds this 
summer, and am looking at the price difference between 3000 vs 4500 trying to 
decide which route to go.  I don't do high density deployments, so maxing out 
capacity on a sector is not a concern. Throughput to the Subscriber is more 
important.  Can I get higher throughput to individual Subscribers with 4500 than I 
can with 3000?[SA]  Yes, you can get higher throughput to an individual subscriber 
in the ePMP4X series vs the e3K SM series. This is partly due to support of 1024 
QAM, far more efficient air protocol and various other changes that can push a 4X 
SM to the tune of 700~800Mbps. Having said that, the e3K AP is the most mature it 
has ever been in terms of all the fixes, performance improvements over the years. 
The SMs at 80MHz is still pushing close to 500Mbps. As Ken mentioned earlier, the 
4K story is about AP & SM capacity with support of backwards compatibility to 
11AC SMs but the e3K on its own is compelling for what you are looking for. 
Compatibility between 4500 and F300SM is very close to coming out but don't expect 
the 300SM to have any improvements in tput. Unfortunately, we dropped 11n support 
on the 4500. It was just too much to test and cover.
[SA] Now the best part - e3K Aps can be had super cheap in the NA region. I 
want to say in the $300 range and I believe RF-E is doing aggressive promos on 
horns as well. 4X4 MUMIMO horns that can support split sector mode.

Would it need to be a 4500AP and 4500SM, or would there be a noticeable 
throughput increase from a 4500AP to a F300 SM (Future Support)?  I'm guessing 
my EPMP1000 SM's are EOL from talking to a 4500AP if I wanted to upgrade a site.

I'm guessing this was all covered at sessions during the WISP show, but 
unfortunately I couldn't attend.


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[AFMUG] EPMP 3000 Vs 4500

[Nate Burke]

I was wondering if anyone has some real world results from changing 
EPMP3000 to EPMP 4500.  I'm starting to get equipment for our site 
builds this summer, and am looking at the price difference between 3000 
vs 4500 trying to decide which route to go.  I don't do high density 
deployments, so maxing out capacity on a sector is not a concern.  
Throughput to the Subscriber is more important.  Can I get higher 
throughput to individual Subscribers with 4500 than I can with 3000?


Would it need to be a 4500AP and 4500SM, or would there be a noticeable 
throughput increase from a 4500AP to a F300 SM (Future Support)?  I'm 
guessing my EPMP1000 SM's are EOL from talking to a 4500AP if I wanted 
to upgrade a site.


I'm guessing this was all covered at sessions during the WISP show, but 
unfortunately I couldn't attend.



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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber on bad spool

[Nate Burke]

Sounds like it would be similar to the machines used to lay field tile.  
If you could get it on this, it should spool out.


https://www.machinerypete.com/details/field-drainage-equipment/2023/liebrecht/tile-trailer/21037638

On 3/6/2024 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
It would have to be pretty bad to not be able to be salvaged.  I would 
try to unspool it out in a straight line in a field.  Then use a spool 
trailer that has some power to wind it back up on a good spool.


There are some old horizontal pay out trailers that were largely used 
for open wire line.  No idea where you could find one.  But even if 
you had to remove all the reel parts and just have the coils you could 
use that.


You could make one by taking a truck or trailer wheel and spindle and 
making a horizontal lazy susan turntable to put the reel on and pay it 
out that way.


-Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2024 9:14 AM
To: AFMUG
Cc: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber on bad spool

I have some 144 fiber that is sitting on a wooden spool that is 
rotting away.  Apparently this spool is in real bad shape.  I'm 
waiting on some pictures to see how bad.  Guys are telling me we are 
going to have to abandon all the fiber.  I hoping to try to re-spool 
it to another spool.


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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen

[Nate Burke]

Was David Copperfield involved to make something that big vanish?

On 2/8/2024 2:18 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2024 12:42 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio 
tower stolen
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-station-disbelief-200-foot-radio-tower-stolen-rcna137877 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT fun trick running a variac in reverse

[Nate Burke]

https://youtu.be/CGbgAisf6_c

Apparently spoofing this

https://youtu.be/a_1OVYsLqMU

On 2/7/2024 10:16 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I always used a potato.


bp

On 2/7/2024 7:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Variac is just an autotransformer with a variable tap. Not surprising 
you can swap input and output. Watch out for voltage ratings though. 
And wrong gender plugs.


I thought it was potato in the tailpipe.

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From: "Cameron Crum"
Sent: 2/7/2024 9:15:03 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fun trick running a variac in reverse

Ah the old 'variac in reverse' trick, similar to a banana in the 
tailpipe.


On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 6:05?PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:


Was testing a repair to a 480 volt induction heater today.  One
of our employees decided to blow the dirt out of it, took the
cover off and got a copper tube across an inductor to case
ground.  It was probably 800 VDC at that spot. Discharged the
capacitor.  Sounded like a gunshot.  Tripped a 125 amp 480 volt
breaker at our power service panel.  Turning it off at the front
switch just turns off the control circuitry.  Everything else is
hot unless you kill the breaker on the back of the unit.  I think
the kid is still shaking.
In any event, took the power supply to the lab.  Used a variac to
put 0 to 130 volts across each leg with a clamp on volt meter on
it as I tested.  Never got past 10 volts and was drawing 3-5
amps.  3 phase bridge rectifier was totally shorted out.  Exactly
as expected.  These things take raw 480 VAC, rectifier, 800 VDC
cap and then on to the IGBT transistors that chop it into ac
etc.  I was hoping it was just the rectifier.
So we got the replacement today.  Put it in and started testing. 
No current, all the way up to 130 volts.  But the cap was
charging.  So far looks good.  Told my sons to take it back and
hook it up to 480.  My son Frank said “just reverse your variac
and use it to step up”.  I initially refused to believe it would
work. Then I thought through it a bit and decided that it
actually should work.
I started with the variac set at 130 volts output.  Feeding 120
into the output gave us about 110 on the input (that was
connected across one phase of the induction unit).  As I turned
the variac down the voltage went up.  I got to 380 volts before
we started smelling that wonderful “Allen Bradley” wafting
through the lab and the variac started buzzing pretty bad. I
think I got it down to about 60 volts.  But we got it high enough
out (in?)  that the control transformer made enough juice to
power the control circuitry.  It appears that the machine is
fixed.  Of course until we actually try to use it we will not
know for certain.
But the TL;DR is:  You can run a variac backwards and make higher
voltages.
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: New Cambium HQ

[Nate Burke]

https://bell.works/chicagoland/explore  I wonder if the Lab space is 
still there from Ameritech, or if it was gutted.  I remember Cambium 
saying on one tour of the old USR Building that they used a bunch of the 
Lab space that was already built.


On 1/29/2024 2:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Probably just my weird first impression when I visited the building.  
It’s got an open interior with walkways across the 2nd floor.  My 
other impression was it was like a shopping mall.  Or a scene from 
Star Wars.  But it’s a relatively new building and did house R types 
so it should be a good home for Cambium.  Better than the stupid Bell 
Labs building in Naperville with all the glass that they just demolished.


Is Cambium still in the 3800 Golf Rd. building?  I worked for about a 
year for 3Com (formerly US Robotics) in Mt. Prospect but I 
occasionally went to the Rolling Meadows building for meetings.  
Strange building, I think it was a former AT building (old AT) 
that went through a major facelift at some point.  Sounds like it’s 
going to be demolished and redeveloped into warehouses or a data center?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2024 1:59 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: New Cambium HQ

Really nice prison...  Is it the place Ken is thinking of?

Always good to have engineering and admin in the same place.

*From:*Ray Savich via AF

*Sent:*Monday, January 29, 2024 1:45 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Cc:*Ray Savich

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: New Cambium HQ

The move is in progress. We will for sure have videos and we will 
welcome a visit any time.


Ray

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2024 1:41 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium HQ

I was drawing a blank on AT HQ in Hoffman Estates and “Bell Works” 
until I realized that’s the former “Ameritech Center” building.  In 
other words, new AT, not old AT  I think I’ve been in the 
building once or twice, probably in the late 1990’s when I worked at 
Westell and the building was new.  I was on the DSL standards 
subcommittee and Tom Starr of Ameritech was the chairperson, so likely 
I was meeting with him.  I remember it as the somewhat weird building 
with the catwalks.  Kind of like a really nice prison.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2024 1:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] New Cambium HQ

I saw an article in the local paper this morning that Cambium is 
moving their HQ into the Old AT HQ (Bell Works) in Hoffman Estates.  
It mentioned that this will allow them to have both Corporate and 
Engineering at the same site. Hope we get some tours of their new 
space once it's up and running.


Excerpt below from 
https://www.dailyherald.com/20240128/business/a-game-changer-bell-works-chicagoland-in-hoffman-estates-ready-to-add-homes/ 
(Possibly Paywalled)


"wireless infrastructure provider Cambium Networks moving its U.S. 
headquarters from Rolling Meadows to Bell Works. The Motorola 
spinoff’s 35,000 square feet currently under renovation was not only 
the largest new lease of 2023 at Bell Works but takes advantage of a 
novel opportunity to have its corporate offices and engineering labs 
on the same property.


“Here we’ve married the two,” Zucker said. “They’ve brought both of 
their uses together. The village modified the zoning here to 
accommodate that.”


The company’s research and development will be conducted in newly 
equipped space on the first floor, with its offices and conference 
rooms on the fourth.


Cambium Networks Senior Engineer Evan Boyack said there are few 
facilities that could offer the combination of space. The 
international company has a desire to stay in Chicago’s Northwest 
suburbs because it remains the base of the talent pool Motorola 
attracted there.


Amenities such as the Fairgrounds World’s Fair restaurant and bar were 
another attraction of Bell Works, he added.


“Having these amenities helps bring our engineers back to the office,” 
Boyack said."




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[AFMUG] New Cambium HQ

[Nate Burke]

I saw an article in the local paper this morning that Cambium is moving 
their HQ into the Old AT HQ (Bell Works) in Hoffman Estates.  It 
mentioned that this will allow them to have both Corporate and 
Engineering at the same site. Hope we get some tours of their new space 
once it's up and running.


Excerpt below from 
https://www.dailyherald.com/20240128/business/a-game-changer-bell-works-chicagoland-in-hoffman-estates-ready-to-add-homes/ 
(Possibly Paywalled)



"wireless infrastructure provider Cambium Networks moving its U.S. 
headquarters from Rolling Meadows to Bell Works. The Motorola spinoff’s 
35,000 square feet currently under renovation was not only the largest 
new lease of 2023 at Bell Works but takes advantage of a novel 
opportunity to have its corporate offices and engineering labs on the 
same property.


“Here we’ve married the two,” Zucker said. “They’ve brought both of 
their uses together. The village modified the zoning here to accommodate 
that.”


The company’s research and development will be conducted in newly 
equipped space on the first floor, with its offices and conference rooms 
on the fourth.


Cambium Networks Senior Engineer Evan Boyack said there are few 
facilities that could offer the combination of space. The international 
company has a desire to stay in Chicago’s Northwest suburbs because it 
remains the base of the talent pool Motorola attracted there.


Amenities such as the Fairgrounds World’s Fair restaurant and bar were 
another attraction of Bell Works, he added.


“Having these amenities helps bring our engineers back to the office,” 
Boyack said."
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Re: [AFMUG] OT plus codes

[Nate Burke]

Here, this is only 3 words to remember.

https://what3words.com

On 1/9/2024 11:25 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Just learned about plus codes as a replacement for geocodes.
They are using them to give addresses to Navajo dwellings.  Pretty 
clever idea to condense a geocode to 6 alpha numeric chars.  (10 if 
there is no nearby community name)

Based on a base 20 numbering scheme.
I wonder if this is better than zip _4?  It is shorter by 3 characters.
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 3000 AP losing firmware

[Nate Burke]

Was yours acting up before the issue?  This AP had been slowly loosing 
TX power for about 2 months.


On 1/2/2024 12:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I had this issue once. I dont recall an RMA. It probably ended up 
deployed again close by in case of further issue then forgot about. I 
do remember loading multiple firmwares in both banks multiple times to 
make sure nothing collapsed


On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 4:55 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

I had an EPMP3000 AP on a tower that died after a web page initiated
reboot.  I got it swapped out and when I put it on the bench,
accessing
on 169.254.1.1 loaded a page saying to 'Load Firmware'  With a big
disclaimer saying 'No Firmware validation done, make sure you load a
proper image'

I loaded the 4.6.1 firmware on it, and it appears to be booting
normally
now.  I'm concerned to deploy it again, since 'something'
happened, but
why wouldn't it have loaded the backup firmware if the primary was
corrupted?  Anyone run into this before?  The AP was acting up
which is
what prompted the initial reboot.  2 Sm's next to each other on a
roof,
one SM had 70% packet loss, the Other SM had 0% packet loss. Only
thing
that hadn't been rebooted yet was the AP.


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[AFMUG] EPMP 3000 AP losing firmware

[Nate Burke]

I had an EPMP3000 AP on a tower that died after a web page initiated 
reboot.  I got it swapped out and when I put it on the bench, accessing 
on 169.254.1.1 loaded a page saying to 'Load Firmware'  With a big 
disclaimer saying 'No Firmware validation done, make sure you load a 
proper image'


I loaded the 4.6.1 firmware on it, and it appears to be booting normally 
now.  I'm concerned to deploy it again, since 'something' happened, but 
why wouldn't it have loaded the backup firmware if the primary was 
corrupted?  Anyone run into this before?  The AP was acting up which is 
what prompted the initial reboot.  2 Sm's next to each other on a roof, 
one SM had 70% packet loss, the Other SM had 0% packet loss.  Only thing 
that hadn't been rebooted yet was the AP.



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Re: [AFMUG] GLONASS rollover coming end of year.

[Nate Burke]

Thanks for reminding us of this Forrest, I remember scrambling on New 
Years Eve trying to figure out what was happening.


I'm presuming that Cambium has fixed this in all Post 2020 firmware on 
radios that have integrated GPS, or UGPS units?  My UGPS Units have FW 
dated 6-12-2020, so I'm presuming that it would have the GLONASS Fix.


On 12/9/2023 4:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Just a heads-up:

Four years ago, we had a bit of an issue where the date in the GLONASS 
GNSS system rolled over at midnight, New Year's Eve/Day, Moscow time, 
and all (most) of the multi-constellation PacketFlux and Cambium sync 
receivers went wacky.   They all needed a reboot/power cycle and 
returned to life.


It's time for the GLONASS to roll over again, so I expect a repeat for 
all of the receivers that crashed last time.  Hopefully, the firmware 
that our GNSS module vendor claims has had the issue fixed has 
actually had the issue fixed, so newer receivers (post-mid-2020) will 
be ok.


I've put a website up at packetflux.info/glonassrollover 
 for a bit with probably way 
too much information, and I finally got emails sent to every email 
address that had bought a multi-GNSS SyncBox or was on our products 
update mailing list.


This is a bit of outreach on this mailing list - I will likely do a 
couple of Facebook posts in the next day or so as well.


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[AFMUG] Blast = Blast

[Nate Burke]

I've had 3 people calls us now (Blastcomm), with the Calix 'Gigaspire 
blast' router, because we're blast, and it says blast on the router, so 
why can't we help them.  They're all from South Carolina so far.


"I'm sorry, I can't help you, I'm in Chicago"

"Then who do I call?  My WIFI doesn't work, and it says Blast on the 
router."


"Who do you pay?"

"I don't know"


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[AFMUG] What spam angle is this?

[Nate Burke]

What's the angle of this?  Just seeing if there's a reply?  This is all 
that's in the message.  No hidden links, or HTML, just plain text.




==
im Lee Derrick by name, I am having my party in August, and I want it to 
be held at your venue on the 23rd of August, with 30 guests invited. I'm 
flexible with the date. Before we proceed with our request, please 
answer the following questions below;




1. Can you work with our official band performing for the event 
regarding payment to them?



2. Do you accept credit cards,  or Certified Check for payment?

Await your quick response.

Regards


Lee Derrick

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Re: [AFMUG] Are you reliant on searching?

[Nate Burke]

I guess I'm just becoming a curmudgeon.  Just watching him do things, 
I'm like 'It's 2 clicks to get to the setting you want' instead, he 
clicks the search button, has to move to the keyboard to type, then back 
to the mouse to select the setting it's returned.  I guess that's better 
than watching the boss who continually loses his mouse on the screen and 
can't figure out where he's clicking.


On 7/31/2023 8:37 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


My windows search feature has also been periodically crashing.  Having 
to use start menu.  Wish they would fix w an update.


- Reply message -
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Are you reliant on searching?
Date: Mon, Jul 31, 2023 5:46 PM

A few weeks ago the Windows search box was broken for me, but I was in the
middle of something where I couldn't restart my computer.  That was the
first time I'd used the Start Menu to open applications in 4 or 5 years.  I
only use Start to find the "shutdown" button.  Yes, it's faster to search by
the name of the application than to click through the Start Menu for it.  I
also use it for the Control Panel items I open most often.  For example I
start typing "ethernet" and then click "ethernet settings" as soon as it
appears and I type "device" and click on "device manager".

I don't generally search for settings in a device.  Maybe I'll try it.




-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 4:38 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Are you reliant on searching?

We've got a new employee in his 20's.  He never browses for programs off his
start menu, but uses the windows search box for everything.

Anything that has a search box, he types into that.  I didn't even know that
the Grandstream UCM's had a search function, but he only uses that to find
settings to change.  Is this normal behavior now? Is it actually faster?

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[AFMUG] Are you reliant on searching?

[Nate Burke]

We've got a new employee in his 20's.  He never browses for programs off 
his start menu, but uses the windows search box for everything.


Anything that has a search box, he types into that.  I didn't even know 
that the Grandstream UCM's had a search function, but he only uses that 
to find settings to change.  Is this normal behavior now? Is it actually 
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Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locator Repair

[Nate Burke]

Yep, that number rings through to Fluke.  It's EOL'd out of support with 
them.  No repair or parts available.


On 6/9/2023 1:29 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

That is probably where you started though, right?
Sometimes you can get a broken unit on ebay for the parts.
https://www.amprobe.com/calibration-service/

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 
9:05 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Underground Locator Repair
Anyone know of a repair shop for locators?  My Amprobe AT-3500 has 
lost it's mind.  LCD Flashes 'ERR128' and continually reboots.  If I 
mash the keys enough, it will eventually go into a 1/2 working state 
where I can still hear the tone, but won't calculate depth or change 
locating frequency, and the LCD Has multiple screens overlaid at the 
same time, it displays the battery capacity image over the top of the 
signal graph.  Looks like Fluke Bought Amprobe, and they EOL'd all 
support/repair for that model in 2021.  If I can pay a guy $1000 to 
fix it, that's cheaper than $5000 for a new locator.





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Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locator Repair

[Nate Burke]

Amprobe is part of Fluke.  Fluke has ended all support/repair for this 
Amprobe product in 2021.  When I called into the Amprobe/fluke repair 
line, the lady was knowledgeable, but since support ended in 2021, she 
couldn't help me.  She said they won't even sell replacement parts anymore.


On 6/9/2023 11:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Manufacturer?

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 11:09 AM Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


Anyone know of a repair shop for locators?  My Amprobe AT-3500 has
lost
it's mind.  LCD Flashes 'ERR128' and continually reboots.  If I
mash the
keys enough, it will eventually go into a 1/2 working state where
I can
still hear the tone, but won't calculate depth or change locating
frequency, and the LCD Has multiple screens overlaid at the same
time,
it displays the battery capacity image over the top of the signal
graph.  Looks like Fluke Bought Amprobe, and they EOL'd all
support/repair for that model in 2021.  If I can pay a guy $1000
to fix
it, that's cheaper than $5000 for a new locator.

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[AFMUG] Underground Locator Repair

[Nate Burke]

Anyone know of a repair shop for locators?  My Amprobe AT-3500 has lost 
it's mind.  LCD Flashes 'ERR128' and continually reboots.  If I mash the 
keys enough, it will eventually go into a 1/2 working state where I can 
still hear the tone, but won't calculate depth or change locating 
frequency, and the LCD Has multiple screens overlaid at the same time, 
it displays the battery capacity image over the top of the signal 
graph.  Looks like Fluke Bought Amprobe, and they EOL'd all 
support/repair for that model in 2021.  If I can pay a guy $1000 to fix 
it, that's cheaper than $5000 for a new locator.


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[AFMUG] Sonar V1 broken over IPv6

[Nate Burke]

Anyone else having issues accessing sonar V1 via IPv6 today?  V4 access 
appears normal.  My access over V6 keeps going between working normally, 
and permission denied, like the application firewall is broken.  Nothing 
has changed with my IPv6 addressing. I've been dual-stacked for years.




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Re: [AFMUG] Headphones and earbuds

[Nate Burke]

How dare you, Wearing earbuds is equivalent to putting up a 'do not 
disturb' sign.  He didn't not want to be bothered, and clearly you were 
bothering him, probably by wanting him to do work.


On 5/12/2023 1:25 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I warned an employee wearing noise cancelling earphones that they were 
a safety hazard yesterday.  Today I noticed he had them on again, I 
pointed to his ear.  He went off on me, complaining that everyone else 
had earbuds.  I told him that many times I started talking to him and 
he either acted like he was not hearing anything or he chose to ignore 
me. Yadda y adda, yadda.  He quit a few minutes later.  Good worker 
but lousy attitude.  43 years old and had worked about 20 different 
places.
So I adopted an open ears policy.  If I am the asshole, that is fine.  
I am a boomer and proud of it.

Whadya y’all think?

*Should Employees Be Allowed to Wear Earbuds?*



Currently, the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) 
does not have guidelines on earbud use in the workplace. However, OSHA 
has issued recommendations regarding earbud use while on the job. Of 
course, wearing earbuds in some work environments poses more of a 
threat than in others.


Earbud Dangers

The dangers of wearing earbuds while on the job are similar to 
non-employment use of these devices. People wearing earbuds simply 
cannot hear emergency signals, but it goes beyond that. Overall, 
earbuds may pose a safety hazard because the employee is less 
cognizant of their surroundings and is not paying attention to their 
safety.


No Earbuds Allowed

OSHA urges employers to forbidTop of Form

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the use of earbuds when workers are operating any sort of heavy 
equipment. Anyone working on a manufacturing or construction site 
where heavy equipment is used should not have earbuds, headphones, or 
similar devices on their heads. For example, even if the forklift 
operator is not wearing earbuds, a fellow employee in the vicinity 
using these devices could end up getting hit if they cannot hear the 
machine. Along with earbuds, the same warnings hold true for 
smartphones.Manufacturing machinery such as milling machines emit 
noises that indicate problem conditions or unsafe conditions.Operators 
of machines need to be able to hear what is going on with the machine.


Other Earbud Risks

In most manufacturing industries, various energy-related hazards 
exist. These may include chemical, electrical, or fire hazards. 
Failure to hear a warning device due to earbud use not only puts that 
employee at risk if they cannot hear warnings from coworkers but may 
be at risk as earbuds also affect evacuations or the realization that 
equipment is not functioning properly. For maximum safety, no employee 
in a manufacturing setting should wear earbuds, even if they are not 
in an area of heavy equipment use. That includes those working in 
warehouses. Earbuds are never a substitute for any type of hearing 
protection on the job.






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[AFMUG] Symmetra RM intelligence modules

[Nate Burke]

I have a Symmetra RM unit (16kw) that is ancient.  We got it used around 
2008.  It has a Main Intelligence Module, and a Redundant Intelligence 
module.  The Main intelligence module has reported a failure.  None of 
the LED's on it are lit.  The redundant module has LED's, but none of 
the front panel LCD options report any data, nor does the Web management 
card.


I was able to source a replacement intelligence module, but everything 
that I find says to put the UPS into bypass before changing it.  
However, the UPS will not go to software bypass via the front display.  
Can I just flip the big bypass switch without doing a software bypass 
first?


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Re: [AFMUG] Windows 11 on ESXI

[Nate Burke]

Thanks, I'll check that out.  Would a future Windows update brick the 
machine from booting?


On 5/2/2023 5:28 PM, Daniel Pautz via AF wrote:

Make an windows 11 iso with that disabled (so much easier)   use Rufus as it
has quick easy way to disable all of that crap

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2023 4:10 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Windows 11 on ESXI

Does anyone have any pointers for getting a Windows11 machine to run on EXSI
(Free) vmware?  All the online instructions that I find talk about enabling
the 'Trusted platform module' in the VM settings but that's not an option in
my EXSI.  I've tried both ESXI 7 and 8.

Windows 11 will install natively on the hardware (DL360G9) but it seems like
it'll be easier to manage/backup/move if it's a VM.

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[AFMUG] Windows 11 on ESXI

[Nate Burke]

Does anyone have any pointers for getting a Windows11 machine to run on 
EXSI (Free) vmware?  All the online instructions that I find talk about 
enabling the 'Trusted platform module' in the VM settings but that's not 
an option in my EXSI.  I've tried both ESXI 7 and 8.


Windows 11 will install natively on the hardware (DL360G9) but it seems 
like it'll be easier to manage/backup/move if it's a VM.


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[AFMUG] FSK just worked, so did packeflux

[Nate Burke]

Getting ready to Decom a tower.  Area was overbuilt with both U-Verse 
and Comcast.   The tower owner "Fixed" a split leg on the Rohn25 with an 
angle iron and some muffler clamps, so it won't support any backhaul 
capacity, and we won't climb it anymore.  The FSK Just worked through it 
all though.  I guess I should point out that the SyncPipe parasitic 
worked flawlessly for 8 years as well.




Hardly any entries in the event log over the last 8 years.

**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- External Hard Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 12.1 AP-DES
Software Boot Version : CANOPYBOOT 4.0
Board Type : P9
Device Setting : 5.2GHz
No valid accounts configured. Using default user account
FPGA Version : 101410
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI
01/01/2011 : 00:00:03 UTC : :Acquired GPS Sync Pulse.
07/14/2015 : 01:58:00 UTC : :Time set
07/14/2015 : 01:58:00 UTC : :GPS Date/Time Set
07/14/2015 : 01:58:06 UTC : :Loss of GPS Sync Pulse.
07/14/2015 : 01:58:07 UTC : :Acquired GPS Sync Pulse.
09/11/2015 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
11/22/2015 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
11/23/2015 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
07/10/2016 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
07/11/2016 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
12/31/2016 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
03/10/2017 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
04/06/2017 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
06/18/2017 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
07/22/2017 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
07/23/2017 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
12/04/2017 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
12/05/2017 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
05/25/2018 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
06/04/2018 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
06/05/2018 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
08/10/2018 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
09/29/2019 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
09/30/2019 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
10/21/2019 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
04/28/2020 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
04/29/2020 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
08/18/2020 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
10/29/2020 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
07/02/2021 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
10/25/2021 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
02/17/2022 : 19:53:32 UTC : :Loss of GPS Sync Pulse.
02/17/2022 : 19:53:33 UTC : :Acquired GPS Sync Pulse.
08/24/2022 : 11:59:32 UTC : :Time set
08/24/2022 : 12:06:07 UTC : :Time set
09/27/2022 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
09/28/2022 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
10/09/2022 : 23:59:59 UTC : :Time set
10/10/2022 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time set
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[AFMUG] Cable Spooler

[Nate Burke]

I'm sure something exists, but I can't find the right term.  Is there a 
cheap/easy way of spooling up small cable spools.  12"-18" diameter 
wooden spools.  I was thinking like a small tire or something in a drill 
to hold against the edge of the spool to spin it while another person 
guides the wire on the spool.  Is something like this for sale?  I found 
lots of fishing line spoolers, but they are small.  And a 'Drill wheel' 
Gives me a bunch of sanding tools. I'm guessing I just haven't thought 
of the right term to search for yet.


I've had multiple boxes of Shireen DC-1030 cable that have come with 
Broken cardboard spools in the box, and we have to re-spool the entire 
box onto a new spool by hand.  Spinning the wooden spool by hand for a 
thousand rotations is very tiring.


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Re: [AFMUG] Chicago Cambium office

[Nate Burke]

Sorry, I should have included the text.  I run my browser without 
Javascript and it loads fine that way.


From 

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20230421/developer-of-elk-grove-tech-park-has-big-plans-for-rolling-meadows-office-center


 Developer of Elk Grove tech park has big plans for Rolling Meadows
 office center

 *

   The $100 million Rolling Meadows Commerce Center, or RMC², would
   have some 600,000 square feet of industrial space across 40 acres at
   the Jane Addams Tollway and Route 53. Courtesy of City of Rolling
   Meadows



Posted4/21/2023 5:30 AM

A prominent Rolling Meadows corporate office center that recently went 
into foreclosure has been acquired by the Rosemont-based developer of 
the Elk Grove Technology Park.


The Atrium Corporate Center -- once the home of AT, 3Com, a Capital 
One call center, and where the Federal Aviation Administration a year 
ago inked a lease to relocate its regional headquarters -- now is under 
the ownership of Brennan Investment Group. That transaction closed 
Wednesday, resolving the pending foreclosure proceeding against San 
Francisco-based Spear Street Capital, said Glen Cole, Rolling Meadows' 
assistant city manager and community development director.


Brennan, which broke ground on the massive $1 billion, 85-acre Elk Grove 
tech park in 2018, is planning a similar yet half-sized concept after it 
demolishes the three-story, 485,000-square-foot, mostly-vacant office 
building at 3800 Golf Road in Rolling Meadows. The property is at the 
intersection of two major highways.


Called Rolling Meadows Commerce Center, or RMC², the 40-acre site near 
the Jane Addams Tollway and Route 53 would feature some 600,000 square 
feet of industrial space across two buildings. With an investment of 
more than $100 million, it would be one of the larger projects in 
Rolling Meadows in recent years.


"This new development demonstrates that we are a community that supports 
thoughtful and strategic development that will strengthen our economic 
base by creating hundreds of new jobs and hundreds of millions of 
dollars in investment in our city," Mayor Joe Gallo said Thursday in a 
joint announcement with Brennan. "We are excited to welcome Brennan to 
our community and look forward to seeing this project come to life."


Cole said Brennan doesn't yet have any letters of intent with 
prospective tenants, but the company said it would target a wide variety 
of end users including manufacturers, distributors and data centers.


There's no set timeline for construction, but officials said it would 
happen in the next few years. Brennan first must submit a formal 
application with the city, unwind the site's old zoning entitlements, 
and go through the city review and approval process for a new planned 
development, Cole said.


The developer hasn't made any requests for incentives, he added.

Kevin Brennan, the firm's managing principal, didn't respond to a 
request for additional details.


"This location is unmatched in terms of its logistical advantages via 
the confluence of interstate systems, its access to a large and diverse 
workforce, and its proximity to best-in-class amenities, including 
restaurants, hotels and shopping," Brennan said in the news release.


Details of the property transaction or financial terms weren't disclosed.

The acquisition comes three months after New York-based Ares Commercial 
Real Estate Management filed the foreclosure action in federal court, 
alleging Spear Street and its partners defaulted on the $41.9 million 
loan they took out in December 2019 -- just before the onset of the 
pandemic.


As recently as last year, the Atrium was being marketed for lease, with 
brochures boasting of its large and efficient floor plates, flexible 
workspaces, oversized windows, 332-seat auditorium, 17,000-square-foot 
fitness center, cafeteria, and atrium lobby of 37-foot ceilings that was 
recognized by the American Institute of Architects in 2002.


In April, Spear Street secured a long-term lease with the FAA to move 
the federal agency's longtime regional headquarters in Des Plaines to a 
116,000-square-foot office at the Atrium.


"It was a large property available on the market that was in financial 
distress," Cole said. "It's a challenging real estate market out there. 
Office everywhere is struggling. Rolling Meadows certainly has plenty of 
class A and class B office to go around. ... The problems aren't unique, 
but the investment, the pivot, being able to make transformations like 
this happen -- I think that's the unique part."





On 4/21/2023 9:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Bullshit paywalls.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyherald.com%2Fnews%2F20230421%2Fdeveloper-of-elk-grove-tech-park-has-big-plans-for-rolling-meadows-office-center

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 10:31 AM Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


Looks like Cambium is losing the

[AFMUG] Chicago Cambium office

[Nate Burke]

Looks like Cambium is losing their Chicago office as the building is 
getting demolished.  Hopefully they can find a location just as nice.  
On my last tour, they said that when they moved in, the lab space was 
basically already setup for them since USR was the previous tenant.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Amazon weirdness

[Nate Burke]

Do you guys get delivery directly from Amazon trucks, or via 
USPS/UPS/common carrier?


I order lots of things from Amazon and have no problems.  But almost 
everything is via Amazon delivery trucks.


Now FedEx on the other hand.  If something requires a signature, it'll 
take an extra 2-3 days to get delivered.  Goes out on the truck, then 
back to the shop every day with no attempt at delivery until the driver 
must finally get mad enough to ring the doorbell. Only if it needs a 
signature though, normal drop-off deliveries are fine.


On 3/22/2023 8:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I got an email at 3AM saying they couldn't deliver anything and I 
should adjust my business hours.


I have nothing for them to deliver.  All orders are delivered already.

Maybe ChatGPT 2.0 is changing things not knowing what it's doing?

On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 11:37 PM Jan-GAMs > wrote:


The robots are on strike!

I've had amazon orders that tracking would say "it's out for
delivery" and I got the mail truck on the camera driving right on
by, not stopping.  The part had to be re-ordered.  This has
happened twice this year.

On 3/20/23 13:21, dmmoff...@gmail.com 
wrote:


No payment issues here.  Maybe you and the employee have same
type of credit card or some other commonality?

Maybe not related, but I did receive an order last week that was
an empty box. Correct order number and the right size box, but
nothing was in it.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2023 2:58 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Cc:* Chuck McCown  
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Amazon weirdness

We have been having Amazon cancel orders.  Claiming problems with
payment.  Just found out at lunch that it is happening with one
of my employees as well.  Exact same thing.  Is this widespread?


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[AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Nate Burke]

I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 
POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 
'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 
'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working 
after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 
switches were the last thing I dabbled with.


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Re: [AFMUG] Silly battery question

[Nate Burke]

The Site I bought the charger off of listed it as an AGM charger, but 
nowhere on the charger, or the documentation that came with it does it 
say anything other than "Lead acid only"  It is a 3 stage 48v charger.


On 3/13/2023 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Yeah, we used GMP AGM cells in telco C.O. years ago. Used the same 
chargers that had been charging the flooded cells. Not a problem.


-Original Message----- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 1:09 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Silly battery question

If I have a charger that is for 'Lead Acid batteries only' Can I charge
AGM Batteries with it?  They're fundamentally the same, right?




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[AFMUG] Silly battery question

[Nate Burke]

If I have a charger that is for 'Lead Acid batteries only' Can I charge 
AGM Batteries with it?  They're fundamentally the same, right?


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Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Nate Burke]

We also Run Icewarp since at least 2001 when I started.  It just works.  
But not cheap.  The Per user licensing sucks now.  It's now geared as an 
Exchange competitor for enterprise, not simple POP/IMAP server like when 
we started.  We were on an unlimited users/domains license forever, they 
put us into a 1000 user license now so we effectively have 'unlimited' 
we only use a few hundred seats. $2000/year.


On 3/9/2023 7:36 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free 
though.  Extremely granular configuration options.


On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had
thousandth of accounts on it, but now just a handful.

Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost
effective for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.


Get Outlook for iOS 

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*Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers
We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there. 
It hangs all the time these days.
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[AFMUG] Indoor Cat5 distributor

[Nate Burke]

I'm doing a side project and need a few boxes of Plenum cable.  Just 
Cat5e.  I'm only used to outdoor cable, so who has good pricing on 
indoor cable?  I've bought some amazon/Ebay cable in the past.  Is that 
still the best price?Looks like about $135/box, but I know nothing 
about the quality of the cable, or if they'll get all knotted up in the 
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Re: [AFMUG] RF Cage for WIFI

[Nate Burke]

The advertised 2Gx100mb that's delivering 2.4Gx230mb is $100/month 
guaranteed for 2 years.  No Contract, no Taxes.  Free modem, no Data cap.


Only Limit I've found so far is I tired to setup an EoIP Tunnel over 
it.  The tunnel came up, but I can only get about 7mb/s through it. UDP 
Test shows 2gb/s going into the tunnel on the far end, and 7mb/s coming 
out on my end.   A wireguard tunnel does not seem to be limited.  And 
EoIP through the wireguard is fine.


On 2/28/2023 8:50 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
Yep, that is a decent promo. If you average over 1tb a month it's 
really hard to justify bringing your own modem to Comcast now.


On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 8:34 AM Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


It's actually cheaper.  $0 monthly cost for their modem, and
unlimited data for 2 years.  Then it goes to $25/month.  Unlimited
data is $35/month.

On 2/28/2023 8:21 AM, Joe Novak wrote:

In mid-split areas you will be downgraded to 100mbit upload if
you move to your modem right now. Plus, they make modem rental +
unlimited data the same price as unlimited data... they are fully
milking every bit of cash they can get from a customer. They are
basically rolling out higher speeds/uploads to a controlled
number of modems for the time being. It'll probably be a year or
two before you can bring your own on those plans, it's the same
thing they did when they first offered gigabit over docsis 3.1.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 8:17 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I would get a non-Comcast modem plus a router. That's a sure
solution.


bp


On 2/28/2023 6:10 AM, Joe Novak wrote:

There is no turning it off anymore, it's a hidden SSID that
forever broadcasts. I'm fairly sure it's for techs to do
diagnostics from the company phone. The modem is in the new
'mid split' area, there is a huge thread tracking it on
dslreports.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 7:10 PM Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I've got a Comcast residential Modem that I can't get
the RF turned off
in.  I haven't been able to find the right phrase at
support to get them
to do it.  So far All that's happened is they've removed
the SSID's, but
the RF is still broadcasting.  There are some 'RF cages'
on Amazon to
'limit your exposure to WIFI'  But they're marketed as
making your house
'healthier'  and reviews say they just slightly weaken
the signal.

Is there a way to properly ground out a cage around the
modem to block
all the WIFI?  Many moons ago, back in the days of
802.11b, I put an AP
into a lead lined pelican case, and was still able to
connect to the
WIFI from outside of it.  I'm guessing I didn't do
something right back
then.

FWIW though, I am getting 2.4gb/s x 230mb/s through the
coax
connection.  There's only a 2.5G interface on the modem.

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Re: [AFMUG] RF Cage for WIFI

[Nate Burke]

It's actually cheaper.  $0 monthly cost for their modem, and unlimited 
data for 2 years.  Then it goes to $25/month.  Unlimited data is $35/month.


On 2/28/2023 8:21 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
In mid-split areas you will be downgraded to 100mbit upload if you 
move to your modem right now. Plus, they make modem rental + unlimited 
data the same price as unlimited data... they are fully milking every 
bit of cash they can get from a customer. They are basically rolling 
out higher speeds/uploads to a controlled number of modems for the 
time being. It'll probably be a year or two before you can bring your 
own on those plans, it's the same thing they did when they first 
offered gigabit over docsis 3.1.


On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 8:17 AM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I would get a non-Comcast modem plus a router. That's a sure solution.


bp


On 2/28/2023 6:10 AM, Joe Novak wrote:

There is no turning it off anymore, it's a hidden SSID that
forever broadcasts. I'm fairly sure it's for techs to do
diagnostics from the company phone. The modem is in the new 'mid
split' area, there is a huge thread tracking it on dslreports.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 7:10 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I've got a Comcast residential Modem that I can't get the RF
turned off
in.  I haven't been able to find the right phrase at support
to get them
to do it.  So far All that's happened is they've removed the
SSID's, but
the RF is still broadcasting.  There are some 'RF cages' on
Amazon to
'limit your exposure to WIFI'  But they're marketed as making
your house
'healthier'  and reviews say they just slightly weaken the
signal.

Is there a way to properly ground out a cage around the modem
to block
all the WIFI?  Many moons ago, back in the days of 802.11b, I
put an AP
into a lead lined pelican case, and was still able to connect
to the
WIFI from outside of it.  I'm guessing I didn't do something
right back
then.

FWIW though, I am getting 2.4gb/s x 230mb/s through the coax
connection.  There's only a 2.5G interface on the modem.

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[AFMUG] RF Cage for WIFI

[Nate Burke]

I've got a Comcast residential Modem that I can't get the RF turned off 
in.  I haven't been able to find the right phrase at support to get them 
to do it.  So far All that's happened is they've removed the SSID's, but 
the RF is still broadcasting.  There are some 'RF cages' on Amazon to 
'limit your exposure to WIFI'  But they're marketed as making your house 
'healthier'  and reviews say they just slightly weaken the signal.


Is there a way to properly ground out a cage around the modem to block 
all the WIFI?  Many moons ago, back in the days of 802.11b, I put an AP 
into a lead lined pelican case, and was still able to connect to the 
WIFI from outside of it.  I'm guessing I didn't do something right back 
then.


FWIW though, I am getting 2.4gb/s x 230mb/s through the coax 
connection.  There's only a 2.5G interface on the modem.


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[AFMUG] Tech Support be like...

[Nate Burke]

  Your Ticket is very Important to us, we'll get right on 
that


<3 days later>  Can you describe in different words everything that you 
said in the original ticket.


  We haven't heard back 
from you, so everything must be working now, we can close your ticket?


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[AFMUG] Business password managers

[Nate Burke]

I'm bringing on some more employees, so some sort of password manager 
would be nice to have, other than my personal one, and all the passwords 
I keep up in the old noggin.  This might be like opening up a apple/PC 
debate, but just curious what others are using.


I've looked at Dashlane, 1password, and bitwarden.  And there's always 
Keepass, but I think that requires access to the central password file 
at all times, might be hard to share between users.


It would be nice to be able to only share certain passwords with certain 
users.  Like Tech 1 can have Radios and Mikrotiks, but not VMWare.   
Tech2 has Mikrotik and Vmware, but not radios.


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Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

[Nate Burke]

On mine, the SD card just fills up then starts overwriting the oldest 
files.  So they're on the SD card until they're overwritten. I guess if 
you get in an accident, the camera is still powered up, and the haul the 
car off to the junkyard, you could lose it.  But you'd have several 
hours to retrieve the SD Card before it's overwritten.  As soon as you 
apply power, the camera powers up and starts recording.  So if you wire 
it into your AUX power, it's 100% automatic.  Just pull the SD card if 
you need to view something otherwise it just sits there and records and 
overwrites.   If you hit the 'save' button on the camera, it changes 
that recording segments file name so that it won't be automatically 
overwritten.


On 2/8/2023 12:14 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
So if you get in a crash and cannot push the button do you lose the 
video or?

*From:* James Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 8, 2023 11:08 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

The ones I have all have SD cards in them.  Some go up to 256G and can 
hold a lot.  They all have settings for length of recording, mine have 
1, 3 and 5 minute options.  It starts a new file and then you can tell 
it to overwrite the oldest when they fill up. They usually also have 
buttons you can hit to mark the current file as locked or something 
like that so it won’t overwrite if something happens that you want 
to save.  With 128G I think mine holds over 10hours at 1080p.  I have 
one that I can connect to with my cell phone and watch the videos 
through that.  I’ve never done it though.   Depending on what you 
want to do, you can get them with cell service also that work as 
location tracking too.  I haven’t looked at what’s out there for 
that in the last couple years though.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2023 5:08 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

So do dash cams record continually whenever your car is turned on?

Do they write over memory?

*From:*James Howard

*Sent:*Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:35 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Missed me by that much

Record all your calls with them.  My daughter made a left turn (she 
thought she had a green arrow but wasn’t positive and told the cop 
and insurance guy that) in front of a car that might have run a red 
light if she was correct.  It was a four lane street and the oncoming 
car by all accounts including the driver was in the left lane.  He hit 
the rear wheel of my daughter’s Jeep in the crosswalk of the street 
she had turned into (he came from the left lane, actually came across 
a lane to hit her in the left lane of the street she had turned 
into).  They pulled into the gas station at the corner to get out of 
traffic (his suggestion).  I came because my daughter didn’t have 
proof of insurance in the Jeep so I ran over to show that on my phone. 
The other guy comes out of his car and knocks on my daughter’s 
window since it had started to rain and says “do you happen to have 
any cigarettes, I don’t want to run to gas station in the rain�.  
17 year old daughter was driving.  15 year old sitting in passenger 
seat (was reading a book when it happened so said she didn’t see 
anything) was who the guy asked for cigs.   Anyway, back to the story, 
he tells the cop while I’m sitting there that he was going straight 
at the intersection (nothing about turning) and was pretty sure he had 
a green light.  Cop says since they left the intersection he 
couldn’t write anything for sure.  You could see the pile of pieces 
in the crosswalk that came off my daughter’s Jeep but he said there 
was no proof that it happened there.  There were skid marks but not 
definitive.  Cop felt bad but I understand he couldn’t state what he 
thought probably happened.  So, anyway, I check with gas station and 
they don’t have any cameras pointed at the intersection so no footage.


So to the reason for recording all calls from State Farm.  I have 
State Farm but because it was an older Jeep we don’t have collision 
coverage. The other driver also had State Farm but had an almost new 
CRV and had full coverage.  Jeep was still sort of driveable (I ended 
up selling it for $500) but the whole front end of CRV was hanging 
off.  State Farm calls me and asks to talk to my daughter.  I sit next 
to her while she’s talking to them.  She tells them that she’s 
pretty sure she had a green arrow but she’s not positive.  State 
Farm talks to the other guy.  State Farm calls me back and says 
“your daughter is 85% at fault so you get nothing�.   I said wait 
a minute…..  how is 85% her fault if the other guy came across 2 
lanes and told the cop on sight he was going straight, not turning?  
The State Farm guy says “your daughter said she turned in front of 
him and he had a 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik DHCP and EPMP 2.4 1000 radios

[Nate Burke]

Broadcast packet limit is disabled on everything.

I'll open a new cambium ticket.   Last time i opened a ticket the 
problem cleared up for about 3 months so I couldn't get them any data.  
So maybe it just needs to be threatened again.


On 1/19/2023 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Talk to Cambium.  Sounds like the broadcast packing isn't making its 
way back.  Do you have any of the multicast/broadcast things set?


image.png

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 11:32 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

I've had this problem at limited times for a couple years, and I've
posted about it before here, But it's started becoming more frequent
across sites, and I curious if I'm still the only person with this
problem.

Mikrotik Router providing DHCP -> UBNT Edgepoint S16 -> EPMP 5ghz AP
(1000 or 3000) -> EPMP SM F300 -> EPMP 1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS) ->
EPMP 1000
2.4 SM -> Customer Router.

The Customer router will lose it's DHCP lease, and be unable to
renew.
Mikrotik log fills with 'Offering lease without success' Rebooting
the
EPMP 1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS) is the only way I've found to fix it. 
It does
not seem to affect any customers who's router is directly connected
directly to a F300 radio.  Only one's that are using the EPMP1000 2.4
radio to extend the network.

This has happened on at least 5 sites now, and it's becoming very
annoying.  Previously when I've posted, some people mentioned some
Allow
firewall rules for DHCP Traffic in the mikrotik, those don't seem
to help.

My new piece of information yesterday is that I'm migrating customers
between 2 grain legs about 200 yards apart (no truck rolls, just
changing preferred AP).   Both grain legs are built with EPMP 3000
Aps.
I have a customer that was installed on the new grain leg, has a
EPMP1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS) that feeds 4 EPMP1000 2.4 SMs on different
buildings and has been working fine for months. They have now had
this
DHCP Issue twice now in the last 24 hours None of the 4 buildings
could
get a DHCP Lease.  Rebooting the 2.4 AP immediately fixed the
problem.
So It's almost like this is triggered by another 5ghz SM on the
3000AP.
All SM's are set to block a DHCP Server below the SM.

It's just strange that rebooting the 2.4 AP always fixes the problem.
Until it starts happening again, from a few hours, to several
days.  If
I put the EPMP1000 2.4 SM into NAT mode, it seems to be able to get a
DHCP lease from the mikrotik just fine.

Open to any ideas.

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[AFMUG] Mikrotik DHCP and EPMP 2.4 1000 radios

[Nate Burke]

I've had this problem at limited times for a couple years, and I've 
posted about it before here, But it's started becoming more frequent 
across sites, and I curious if I'm still the only person with this problem.


Mikrotik Router providing DHCP -> UBNT Edgepoint S16 -> EPMP 5ghz AP 
(1000 or 3000) -> EPMP SM F300 -> EPMP 1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS) -> EPMP 1000 
2.4 SM -> Customer Router.


The Customer router will lose it's DHCP lease, and be unable to renew.  
Mikrotik log fills with 'Offering lease without success' Rebooting the 
EPMP 1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS) is the only way I've found to fix it.  It does 
not seem to affect any customers who's router is directly connected 
directly to a F300 radio.  Only one's that are using the EPMP1000 2.4 
radio to extend the network.


This has happened on at least 5 sites now, and it's becoming very 
annoying.  Previously when I've posted, some people mentioned some Allow 
firewall rules for DHCP Traffic in the mikrotik, those don't seem to help.


My new piece of information yesterday is that I'm migrating customers 
between 2 grain legs about 200 yards apart (no truck rolls, just 
changing preferred AP).   Both grain legs are built with EPMP 3000 Aps.  
I have a customer that was installed on the new grain leg, has a 
EPMP1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS) that feeds 4 EPMP1000 2.4 SMs on different 
buildings and has been working fine for months. They have now had this 
DHCP Issue twice now in the last 24 hours None of the 4 buildings could 
get a DHCP Lease.  Rebooting the 2.4 AP immediately fixed the problem.  
So It's almost like this is triggered by another 5ghz SM on the 3000AP.  
All SM's are set to block a DHCP Server below the SM.


It's just strange that rebooting the 2.4 AP always fixes the problem.  
Until it starts happening again, from a few hours, to several days.  If 
I put the EPMP1000 2.4 SM into NAT mode, it seems to be able to get a 
DHCP lease from the mikrotik just fine.


Open to any ideas.

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Re: [AFMUG] Power excitement

[Nate Burke]

The generator on site isn't ours, it's for the county 2way equipment.  
The tower power comes from a different direction, so the utility fuses 
automatically reset and the power was restored to the tower in about a 
minute.  Based on the sound from the camera, the generator ran for 10 
minutes before shutting down.  It's a 20kw propane Generac unit.


Took Fire department 13 minutes to show up on site.

On 1/10/2023 8:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I believe ours will start right away but the ATS won't swap over 
unless it's down for ~10 seconds.  Then to go back from generator to 
utility it's like 3-5 minutes (feels like a long while).


On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 10:32 PM Darin Steffl <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:


I love how quick the generator started up. They waste no time when
the grid fails, do they? I would figure there would be a 10+
second delay or so to see if the grid comes back up before it
starts up.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023, 8:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Wonder what caused it?

-Original Message-
    From: Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 5:44 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Power excitement

Always exciting when a camera is pointing in the right direction.






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Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

[Nate Burke]

Got new batteries in the Symmetra and now all 3 power modules are back 
online.  So I wonder if they were ever bad to begin with. Not once did 
the unit ever throw a battery error.


Only error left now is 'Static Bypass Switch Module Fault'  but it's had 
that since we came into the picture 3 years ago.  And obviously it's 
switching to bypass and back just fine.



On 1/3/2023 9:54 PM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
Our batteries just overheat and shut down generally if it is a bad 
battery.  You'll know if you feel them.  Usually a warning as well on 
the panel and GUI.  You sure you matched everything up correctly as 
far as the right modules, right batteries? for the right chassis?


Do you have more than 2 batteries already installed?

Are there any XR (extended run units) connected to it or just the main 
chassis?


On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 2:49 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

I have not tried bringing it out of bypass becaue the power
modules show off.  I figure that's just asking for trouble. When
the 2 modules first failed, it went into bypass because there was
too much load on 1 leg and it went to overload.  Once I got the
phases balanced It came out of bypass on its own with the 1 power
module still running.  The original power module shut down and it
went to bypass when I plugged the first replacement module in.

Sounds like it might be a battery problem.  I'm getting
replacement batteries on order today.

On January 3, 2023 1:39:32 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF
 wrote:

Ahhh  have you tried to bring  it out of bypass?  It’s a bit
of a process to do / does risk dropping the load.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:36 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

It's not powered off, but it is in bypass.

On January 3, 2023 1:31:09 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF
 wrote:

Ahh is the whole unit powered off?    Battery wise,  you
need atleast two good packs to get it going,  4x would be
best (one level)

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

Yes, we've tried multiple combinations of pulling in/out
and the silver on/off screw.

We are wondering if its a battery problem because if we
pull all battery packs out, it goes to 'no power modules
detected'.  And when we put the battery packs in, it
detects the power modules again and its like the power
modules try to start, but the fans cycle on and off.

On January 3, 2023 1:16:31 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF
 wrote:

(dumb question but sometimes they are the easy fix)  are you 
doing the little silver screw to turn them on?  Also reseat them firmly then 
turn them on.

We had dozens of the 80kw's running here and have been 
migration the to monster 500KW setups lately.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

I have a server room that has a Symmetra PX 20kw that I inherited.  
On the 25th it reported that 2 of the 3 10kw Power modules went bad.  I ordered 2 
new 10kw power units, and when i put them in, now all 3 power modules are report 
'Off & OK' with a green check mark.  They battery system is reporting 'OK' but 
I'm wondering if the batteries might be causing a problem. Will the power modules 
not start if the batteries are bad?  There is about 9kw of load on the UPS.

The battery system says Nominal voltage is 192v, but actual 
voltage is 154v.  When we measure each pack it's at 96v.  and 2x96 should be 
192, so it must need a minimum of 2 packs to work.


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Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

[Nate Burke]

I have not tried bringing it out of bypass becaue the power modules show off.  
I figure that's just asking for trouble. When the 2 modules first failed, it 
went into bypass because there was too much load on 1 leg and it went to 
overload.  Once I got the phases balanced It came out of bypass on its own with 
the 1 power module still running.  The original power module shut down and it 
went to bypass when I plugged the first replacement module in. 

Sounds like it might be a battery problem.  I'm getting replacement batteries 
on order today. 

On January 3, 2023 1:39:32 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF  wrote:
>Ahhh  have you tried to bring  it out of bypass?  It’s a bit of a process to 
>do / does risk dropping the load.  
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:36 PM
>To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>
> 
>
>It's not powered off, but it is in bypass. 
>
>On January 3, 2023 1:31:09 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:
>
>Ahh is the whole unit powered off?Battery wise,  you need atleast two good 
>packs to get it going,  4x would be best (one level)  
>
> 
>
>From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
>Of Nate Burke
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:28 PM
>To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
>>
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>
> 
>
>Yes, we've tried multiple combinations of pulling in/out and the silver on/off 
>screw.
>
>We are wondering if its a battery problem because if we pull all battery packs 
>out, it goes to 'no power modules detected'.  And when we put the battery 
>packs in, it detects the power modules again and its like the power modules 
>try to start, but the fans cycle on and off. 
>
>On January 3, 2023 1:16:31 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:
>
>(dumb question but sometimes they are the easy fix)  are you doing the little 
>silver screw to turn them on?  Also reseat them firmly then turn them on.  
>
>We had dozens of the 80kw's running here and have been migration the to 
>monster 500KW setups lately.  
>
>-Original Message-
>From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
>Of Nate Burke
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:11 PM
>To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
>>
>Subject: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>
>I have a server room that has a Symmetra PX 20kw that I inherited.  On the 
>25th it reported that 2 of the 3 10kw Power modules went bad.  I ordered 2 new 
>10kw power units, and when i put them in, now all 3 power modules are report 
>'Off & OK' with a green check mark.  They battery system is reporting 'OK' but 
>I'm wondering if the batteries might be causing a problem. Will the power 
>modules not start if the batteries are bad?  There is about 9kw of load on the 
>UPS.
>
>The battery system says Nominal voltage is 192v, but actual voltage is 154v.  
>When we measure each pack it's at 96v.  and 2x96 should be 192, so it must 
>need a minimum of 2 packs to work.
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Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

[Nate Burke]

It's not powered off, but it is in bypass. 

On January 3, 2023 1:31:09 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF  wrote:
>Ahh is the whole unit powered off?Battery wise,  you need atleast two good 
>packs to get it going,  4x would be best (one level)  
>
> 
>
>From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:28 PM
>To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>
> 
>
>Yes, we've tried multiple combinations of pulling in/out and the silver on/off 
>screw.
>
>We are wondering if its a battery problem because if we pull all battery packs 
>out, it goes to 'no power modules detected'.  And when we put the battery 
>packs in, it detects the power modules again and its like the power modules 
>try to start, but the fans cycle on and off. 
>
>On January 3, 2023 1:16:31 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:
>
>(dumb question but sometimes they are the easy fix)  are you doing the little 
>silver screw to turn them on?  Also reseat them firmly then turn them on.  
>
>We had dozens of the 80kw's running here and have been migration the to 
>monster 500KW setups lately.  
>
>-Original Message-
>From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
>Of Nate Burke
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:11 PM
>To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
>>
>Subject: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>
>I have a server room that has a Symmetra PX 20kw that I inherited.  On the 
>25th it reported that 2 of the 3 10kw Power modules went bad.  I ordered 2 new 
>10kw power units, and when i put them in, now all 3 power modules are report 
>'Off & OK' with a green check mark.  They battery system is reporting 'OK' but 
>I'm wondering if the batteries might be causing a problem. Will the power 
>modules not start if the batteries are bad?  There is about 9kw of load on the 
>UPS.
>
>The battery system says Nominal voltage is 192v, but actual voltage is 154v.  
>When we measure each pack it's at 96v.  and 2x96 should be 192, so it must 
>need a minimum of 2 packs to work.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

[Nate Burke]

Yes, we've tried multiple combinations of pulling in/out and the silver on/off 
screw.

We are wondering if its a battery problem because if we pull all battery packs 
out, it goes to 'no power modules detected'.  And when we put the battery packs 
in, it detects the power modules again and its like the power modules try to 
start, but the fans cycle on and off. 

On January 3, 2023 1:16:31 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF  wrote:
>(dumb question but sometimes they are the easy fix)  are you doing the little 
>silver screw to turn them on?  Also reseat them firmly then turn them on.  
>
>We had dozens of the 80kw's running here and have been migration the to 
>monster 500KW setups lately.  
>
>-Original Message-
>From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:11 PM
>To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>Subject: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>
>I have a server room that has a Symmetra PX 20kw that I inherited.  On the 
>25th it reported that 2 of the 3 10kw Power modules went bad.  I ordered 2 new 
>10kw power units, and when i put them in, now all 3 power modules are report 
>'Off & OK' with a green check mark.  They battery system is reporting 'OK' but 
>I'm wondering if the batteries might be causing a problem. Will the power 
>modules not start if the batteries are bad?  There is about 9kw of load on the 
>UPS.
>
>The battery system says Nominal voltage is 192v, but actual voltage is 154v.  
>When we measure each pack it's at 96v.  and 2x96 should be 192, so it must 
>need a minimum of 2 packs to work.
>
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[AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

[Nate Burke]

I have a server room that has a Symmetra PX 20kw that I inherited.  On 
the 25th it reported that 2 of the 3 10kw Power modules went bad.  I 
ordered 2 new 10kw power units, and when i put them in, now all 3 power  
modules are report 'Off & OK' with a green check mark.  They battery 
system is reporting 'OK' but I'm wondering if the batteries might be 
causing a problem. Will the power modules not start if the batteries are 
bad?  There is about 9kw of load on the UPS.


The battery system says Nominal voltage is 192v, but actual voltage is 
154v.  When we measure each pack it's at 96v.  and 2x96 should be 192, 
so it must need a minimum of 2 packs to work.



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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI/Network Thermostats

[Nate Burke]

Are those the residential ones?  Can you do multiple groups/thermostats 
on the free one?  Their commercial site says $2/stat


On 12/21/2022 3:19 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

Ecobee it's free

On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 10:37 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

We've been using WIFI/Remote thermostats from Radio thermostat to run
the HVAC at many locations, and they have worked really well. I got a
notice today that radio thermostat is shutting down.  What other wifi
thermostats are out there.  I know there's the NEST line, Are they
easy
to have multiple users for?  We have the same model thermostat at
many
tower sites, they all exist under our account, but I can Group
thermostats by Location, and set Subaccounts so the tower owner
can log
in and see just their thermostats.

I think Eccobee makes an option.  Looks like $2/month/stat for
control.

What else is out there for Multi-site control.

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[AFMUG] WIFI/Network Thermostats

[Nate Burke]

We've been using WIFI/Remote thermostats from Radio thermostat to run 
the HVAC at many locations, and they have worked really well.  I got a 
notice today that radio thermostat is shutting down.  What other wifi 
thermostats are out there.  I know there's the NEST line, Are they easy 
to have multiple users for?  We have the same model thermostat at many 
tower sites, they all exist under our account, but I can Group 
thermostats by Location, and set Subaccounts so the tower owner can log 
in and see just their thermostats.


I think Eccobee makes an option.  Looks like $2/month/stat for control.

What else is out there for Multi-site control.

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[AFMUG] Broadcast/ARP traffic on a CMTS Plant

[Nate Burke]

I work with a Business WOW!/Astound connection on Coax.  I see about 
400-500kb/s ~800pps continuous of Broadcast ARP Traffic coming in the 
connection.  That's not normal, is it?  Basically, ARP Requests for 
every IP address on the Cable plant.  Shouldn't the cable modem be 
filtering those, even if it is in bridge mode?  The Mikrotik seems to be 
handling them fine, but I have a Grandstream PBX on a public IP Address, 
and I think that the volume may be causing it problems.


Is there a way in the mikrotik to filter any ARP that is not part of my 
/29 subnet?


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Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out - SOLVED

[Nate Burke]

I think I finally tracked this one down.

An IP Address out of the /30 that was the OSPF Network was defined on 
another Router on an interface in the DOWN state.  So the subnet/IP did 
not show up in the routing table, or the OSPF Routing table, or even 
that local routers routing table, but it must have caused some conflict 
in the OSPF Process.  Disabling the address on the remote router fixed 
the route flapping.  It was just causing Routes to change, the OSPF 
Neighbor never flapped.


Found it purely by accident, not sure how I'd have tracked it down 
otherwise since there was no route to the subnet and looked like it did 
not exist since the interface it was assigned to was down.


On 10/12/2022 9:04 AM, castarritt wrote:
I made an IP conflict recently after goofing my documentation on a /28 
and overlapping part of it with a /30 on the same router.  It caused 
the same sort of problem you were having.


On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 8:47 AM Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


I changed the /30 that the OSPF network was using over the F425
and that
seems to have fixed it.  The original /30 does not exist anywhere
else
on the network that I can find, either as a route, defined IP,  or a
Router ID.  I didn't think of changing that since it seemed to be a
weather event that triggered it in the first place, and it had been
working fine for months.

On 10/12/2022 7:11 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> I would have to take a look, but sounds like duplicate routerID
or BFD.  OSPF is pretty straight forward on this.
>
>
>
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> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage,
Cambium ePMP Certified
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<http://www.towercoverage.com>
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> -Original Message-----
    > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 5:18 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out
>
> I changed the RB4011 to a RB2009, and tried downgrading the
RB4011 to
> ROS6.49.6 from ROS7.5 and it's doing the exact same thing.  I've
tried setting up an EoIP Tunnel across the F425, and changed the
Router ID in OSPF.  Still doing the exact same thing.  As soon as
I enable the F425 link, the Entire route table will flap between
the Powerbridge and the
> F425 even though the powerbridge is a cost of 20 higher than the
F425.
> If I disable the F425, everything is stable over the
Powerbridge.  Not sure what else to try.
>
> On 10/6/2022 4:22 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
>> Make sure you haven't duplicated your router id.
    >>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 1:58 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out
>>
>> I have a site with a RB4011 connected via an old M5
Powerbridge, and an EPMP PTP425.  The 4011 is running ROSv7,
everything else is on ROSv6. Connecting to a CCR1036 and CCR1009
on the other ends of the radios.
>>
>> Everything was working perfectly for several months until a
storm came
>> through, and now the F425 OSPF Session will not stay stable.
The OSPF
>> Weights are set to prefer the F425 link.  The OSPF neighbor
never goes
>> down, Adjacency/state never change, but the RB4011 will update it's
>> entire routing table about every 5 seconds and flap back and forth
>> between the Powerbridge and the F425.  The remote routers never
update
>> the route to the 4011, it is stable over the F425. If I disable the
>> F425 neighbor, everything is stable over the powerbridge.  If I
disable the Powerbridge neighbor, the router will lose
connectivity for a second every 10 or 15 seconds, like it loses
it's routing table.
>>
>> There is no packet loss across the F425 link, and it will Tik
to Tik bw test at 100MB sync no problem and no packet loss.  I've
even tried changing ports on the 4011, plugging the F425 into a
completely separate OSPF router on the remote end.  I've also put
the traffic through a VLAN on the F425 to see if the F425 was
doing something weird wit

Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units

[Nate Burke]

I want that one just because it looks like you're tapping the ground 
with a magic wand!


On 12/2/2022 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We like the ViperMag 
https://utility-technologies.myshopify.com/products/copperhead-viper-mag-pipe-cable-locator


On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 10:10 AM Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


We had an RD-4000. About a year ago (or so) we got an RD-7100 or
7200. Our locator used to work for USIC.

RD is kind of the standard.

The local distributor is out of the Ottawa\LaSalle area and more
than willing to make site visits, for both pre and post sale.



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Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

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The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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*Sent: *Friday, December 2, 2022 8:57:59 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Underground Locating units

I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit.  Without visiting a
bunch of
websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have
recommendations?  USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're
always
so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model.  We have an
Amprobe AT-3500 today.  Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out,
that's
cheaper than the AT-3500

Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or
traceable fiber (Clamp)

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[AFMUG] Underground Locating units

[Nate Burke]

I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit.  Without visiting a bunch of 
websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have 
recommendations?  USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always 
so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model.  We have an 
Amprobe AT-3500 today.  Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's 
cheaper than the AT-3500


Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or 
traceable fiber (Clamp)


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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor 24V PSU cabinet with batteries?

[Nate Burke]

If someone could just make a big hardened battery in an enclosure for 
cheap, that would be nice.  I could stand something the size of a 
forklift battery next to most of my enclosures.  Little box on the side 
with terminals to connect the leads to.


On 11/30/2022 1:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
we tried the jobsite boxes for our 190ah telco batteries, but you can 
only fit 2 batteries and maybe an apc in them. I went to a fabricator 
to see about building some custom cabinets. we had a good laugh, he 
wanted alot more than beer and pizza


On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:40 PM > wrote:


If you find one, let us know.

I think the issue is that ideal for you is not ideal for
everyone.   My ideal would be 48V with 4x100Ah batteries.

Someone else’s ideal is just gonna be an AC power strip and a
light bulb.

If there was one configuration that would outsell all others, then
someone would manufacture that box.

When I had to build outdoor enclosures on the cheap I used jobsite
toolboxes


https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-32-in-W-x-19-in-H-x-19-in-L-Portable-Jobsite-Storage-Box-RB32/317120068

You can’t beat that price for that size enclosure.

Nowadays I’d build a shed if there’s space, or use DDB Unlimited
if there isn’t.  I get to play with big boy money now.

If you want something built custom to your needs then Alpha
Technologies will build whatever you want, but be sure to bring
your checkbook.

Or I’ll build whatever you want for a case of beer and a pizza. 
My lead times are long though.


-Adam

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2022 12:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Outdoor 24V PSU cabinet with batteries?

Hi all,

Looking at options for tiny WISP sites - ideal would be a small
outdoor cabinet with 120VAC input, 2x 12V 12AH / 18AH batteries,
~27V charger/PSU around 5A and a temperature-controlled battery
blanket. Is there anything like that in the market so I don't have
to organize design/build?

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[AFMUG] OT: Audible Question

[Nate Burke]

I do not have Audible, but some on here probably knows.  If you're just 
looking through books on Audible, how can you determine if a title is a 
'Premium' title you have to use your credits for, or one that you can 
just stream?  I'm listening to a book series, and my library does not 
have half the series titles on Hoopla (John Le Carré/George Smiley).  
When I look at the audio book on amazon/audible, all it says is 'Get 
this book for $0 with your free audible promotion' But nothing that says 
if it's a 'premium' title.  I don't want to sign up, then realize that 
each 5 hour book is going to cost credits.


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[AFMUG] Adtran Setup with VoIP Innovations

[Nate Burke]

I was wondering if anyone has setup an Adtran TA900 series to talk 
directly as an endpoint to VoIP Innovations.  I've configured one to do 
a PRI handoff, and it appears to be working, just wanted to compare the 
config with someone else.  I'm mostly confused about how to setup the 
multiple Trunk SIP Addresses that VI uses for incoming and outgoing 
calls.  Can I set them all as secondary addresses on a single trunk, or 
should it be a separate trunk definition for each one.


Nate

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Re: [AFMUG] Yealink cordless speakerphone

[Nate Burke]

I'm just surprised that there's not even a youtube video of someone 
changing them.  The Polycom manual doesn't say what type of battery is 
in it.


On 11/18/2022 11:53 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

And charge chemistry?

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 5:45 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Most of those devices will either use AA, or sometimes AAA size
batteries. If it looks "custom", it is often 2 or 3 or 4 of those
size
batteries soldered together and wrapped with plastic. You can
simulate
whatever they use (alkiline, NiMH, NiCad, or LFP) if you slice
open the
plastic to see what's inside. The main issue being the voltage.


bp


On 11/17/2022 2:29 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have a customer with a Yealink CP930W cordless speakerphone. 
They

> say the battery won't hold a charge anymore, I expected that it
would
> be a simple method of replacing the battery, but Googling has
come up
> empty.  Is it not a user replaceable battery? I have not physically
> seen the phone, it was installed by another company.   I thought
there
> would at least be a manual, or video of someone doing it, but
nothing
> so far.  Not even what battery is in it.
>

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

[Nate Burke]

Can the terminal block handle 12AWG wire?   If one of the outputs 
shorts, does that take the entire PDU offline, or is there internal 
limiting with the 3A per port.


On 11/18/2022 6:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
The packetflux base 3 is similar in the context of it having similar 
i/o possibilities.  Â


The main difference is that the tycon product is fixed function, so as 
long as you can monitor exactly what you want with it, it will work 
for you.   If you want a different set of i/o then you're SOL.


I also would caution anyone passing current through the tycon product 
to be mindful that the terminal blocks they use may not be able to 
handle what they specify as a maximum current on a continuous basis.  
Typically those types of connectors are rated at 12 or 15A and they 
say they can do 20A.  I'm hopeful that they have bought special 
connectors to handle 20A, but even if they didn't they should be able 
to handle short periods of 20A.Â


The packetflux Base 3 has evolved quite a bit from the early days, 
although there are still some limitations due to us wanting the 
current version to be drop in compatible with the previous version.  
 But some of the updates make this more useful at a wisp DC site.  
 For instance, the base 3 and most of the power distribution or 
injection models will handle both positive and negative power, at a 
much wider range than most units.  So you can use both +24V and -48V 
to power it up at the same time.Â


On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 11:11 AM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


Nice.  Good price too.  What does Forrest have that is similar?
Â
*From:* Jason Wilson
*Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:34 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
Â
I'm just starting to use these for some VERY remote sites.Â
Â
https://www.tyconsystems.com/tpdin-monitor-web3

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31  wrote:

I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only
complaint at the time
was the character limit on port description.  I think it was
11 characters
or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic
abbreviations when I
really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270
azimuth".  I think
they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the
base unit,
but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if
that's still an
issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be
limited to 3 per
PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That
wasn't an issue
in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower
then that's
something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge. 
Anything bigger than

14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the
packet flux
PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty
severe at
300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I
was deploying on
70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was
acceptable, but
feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site
could be an
issue.

In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems
wasteful, but you
can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug
into the green
hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate
DC cables then
you'd have to be careful who you send up there. If you're
dead set on a
single power run then something with built in breakers is a
good idea.
Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.Â


-Original Message-
    From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of
10G ports.
Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run
a single power
cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking
like 3 or 4
licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.Â
Rather than running individual power wires for each one. 
I've used a UBNT

Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running
them through the
MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.Â
But that's extra pieces need

[AFMUG] Yealink cordless speakerphone

[Nate Burke]

I have a customer with a Yealink CP930W cordless speakerphone.  They say 
the battery won't hold a charge anymore, I expected that it would be a 
simple method of replacing the battery, but Googling has come up empty.  
Is it not a user replaceable battery? I have not physically seen the 
phone, it was installed by another company.   I thought there would at 
least be a manual, or video of someone doing it, but nothing so far.  
Not even what battery is in it.


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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

[Nate Burke]

That looks intriguing.  DC power on the relays says only up to 30V 
though.  And Would still require external fusing for each link?


I have a couple sites where I ran multiple fibers but only a single 12/3 
to the top to power an Edgepoint that was powering AF11's.  I'm 
upgrading more sites from AF11 to Bigger radios, and am trying to 
minimize having to pull new cables.  At most sites it's easy enough to 
just pull new cables for each radio, but at some of the grain elevators, 
the cable path is quite convoluted, and the installers yell and complain 
about having to pull wires.  Interestingly, they also yelled and 
complained about wanting to pull spares initially.


The Mikrotik NetFiber9 will give me the extra 10G ports on the existing 
fiber, can power it off the Edgepoint, so that part is easy.  Just need 
to figure out the power to the radios.  Aviat can do POE, but not the 
POE that the edgepoint outputs, so I run it through a double set of 
GIGE-POE, one to take the UBNT 56v and convert to 2 wire, then a 2nd to 
convert the 2wire into Aviat POE. But at that site, I have a large NEMA 
on a nice platform, so everything is DIN mounted in that with lots of room.



On 11/17/2022 11:34 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

I'm just starting to use these for some VERY remote sites.

https://www.tyconsystems.com/tpdin-monitor-web3

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31 <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint
at the time
was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11
characters
or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations
when I
really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270
azimuth".  I think
they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the
base unit,
but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's
still an
issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be
limited to 3 per
PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't
an issue
in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then
that's
something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge. Anything
bigger than
14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the
packet flux
PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty
severe at
300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was
deploying on
70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could
be an
issue.

In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful,
but you
can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into
the green
hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC
cables then
you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead
set on a
single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G
ports.
Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a
single power
cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking like 3 or 4
licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.
Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've
used a UBNT
Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them
through the
MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.

Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per
channel,
and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide about
140w per
radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN mount. The
Sitemonitor
base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?

Are there other options?

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

[Nate Burke]

I was hoping for something a little smarter.  Relay control individual 
radios, and/or monitor power consumption for each.  When there's a power 
outage at 11pm on a holiday weekend, it's a lot easier to just power 
down all but 1 backhaul and increase UPS runtime by 3x, Then leisurely 
stroll out to hook the generator up after dinner the next day.


On 11/17/2022 11:15 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

Something like this in a NEMA enclosure?
Dinkle Assembly Kit DK10N Red/Black 10 Gang with Jumpers DIN Rail 
Terminal Blocks, 6-20 AWG, 60 Amp, 600 Volt https://a.co/d/gNA1zcn


Or power poles

Electronics-Salon Slim DIN Rail Mount 30A/60V 6-Position Power 
Distribution Block Module, for Power Pole Connectors 
https://a.co/d/8sZiGdN


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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 08:50 Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G
ports.  Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution? 
Run a

single power cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm
thinking
like 3 or 4 licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G
fiber.
Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a
UBNT Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them
through the MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.

Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per
channel, and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide
about 140w per radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN
mount.  The Sitemonitor base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?

Are there other options?

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[AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

[Nate Burke]

Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G 
ports.  Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a 
single power cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking 
like 3 or 4 licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.  
Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a 
UBNT Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them 
through the MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.  
But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.


Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per 
channel, and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide 
about 140w per radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN 
mount.  The Sitemonitor base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?


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Re: [AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections

[Nate Burke]

Wouldn't there have to be something on the other end to determine if 
traffic can get to you?  I was still taking some traffic, just Google, 
and I'm guessing some other CDN traffic couldn't get to me. Which to 
Eyeball networks means 'the internet is down'


On 11/15/2022 3:44 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
You can have it pull the BGP advertisement or set no export or prepend 
a bunch or other things ranging from suggestion to absolute.


In this case, if the optimizer noticed that you weren't available from 
a given connection, it could have (depending on the optimizer), set no 
export, then if the reachability issues persist after X minutes, drop 
the session.




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*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 15, 2022 3:21:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections

Is there any benefit for an eyeball network to use route optimization 
given you can really only control egress via bgp?


On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 12:26 PM Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


I rarely have issues with the Windstream circuit, but it is totally
dealing with a Telco.  Front line can only open the ticket, and go
through the whole list of questions that have been in place since
troubleshooting a T1 Line, or before.  I always like 'Are we
authorized
to do intrusive testing'

This is only the 2nd time this has happened.  Last time was 4 or 5
years
ago, just a week or 2 after we turned up the circuit, so I wrote that
off to a turnup config they messed up somewhere.

On 11/15/2022 2:16 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> In the past when we had similar problems with Windstream I found
> that often (about 75 percent of the time) I could hard reset the BGP
> session locally and Windstream would pickup after the reset and
> route correctly.  The other 25 percent, like you, I just had to down
> the BGP session with them entirely and wait for the routes to clear.
> A few of those times I even called our 24/hr support number to ask
> if they could clear or reset the session from their side and was
> inevitably told "we will look into it" (not)...
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Re: [AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections

[Nate Burke]

I rarely have issues with the Windstream circuit, but it is totally 
dealing with a Telco.  Front line can only open the ticket, and go 
through the whole list of questions that have been in place since 
troubleshooting a T1 Line, or before.  I always like 'Are we authorized 
to do intrusive testing'


This is only the 2nd time this has happened.  Last time was 4 or 5 years 
ago, just a week or 2 after we turned up the circuit, so I wrote that 
off to a turnup config they messed up somewhere.


On 11/15/2022 2:16 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

In the past when we had similar problems with Windstream I found
that often (about 75 percent of the time) I could hard reset the BGP
session locally and Windstream would pickup after the reset and
route correctly.  The other 25 percent, like you, I just had to down
the BGP session with them entirely and wait for the routes to clear.
A few of those times I even called our 24/hr support number to ask
if they could clear or reset the session from their side and was
inevitably told "we will look into it" (not)...




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[AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections

[Nate Burke]

Ran into a problem today where one of my upstreams (windstream) was 
still advertising my IP blocks out to the internet, but wasn't routing 
all the traffic to me.  I was still taking in traffic, but, for example, 
Google couldn't get to me on IP Blocks advertized via windstream.  Took 
a while to track down what was happening and then manually turn off the 
Windstream BGP neighbor, which luckily fixed the problem once the subnet 
advertisements finally timed out and traffic shifted to other providers, 
which took a good 5-10 minutes.


Is there a way to protect against that?  My BGP Session to Windstream 
was still up and running, but something broke farther up in the 
Windstream network.  Is the only method in that scenario to Just monitor 
and react?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Nasa Moon Rocket

[Nate Burke]

But don't they have cars that run off Hydrogen?  Do they all leak too?  
I could be driving along next to leaky H-bomb on wheels?


On 11/4/2022 10:25 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Hydrogen is hard to seal because (1) it's the smallest molecule, and 
(2) It needs to be ridiculously cold to liquefy. That said, it is the 
most energy-dense of the options.


but it's also why SpaceX uses kerosene or methane.

bp


On 11/4/2022 8:12 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I've only been reading articles in the local paper, why are they 
having such a hard time plugging the hydrogen leaks?  Back in College 
I worked at Argonne labs, and we used lots of helium/nitrogen for 
cryogenics.  I don't remember having leaking problems.







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[AFMUG] OT: Nasa Moon Rocket

[Nate Burke]

I've only been reading articles in the local paper, why are they having 
such a hard time plugging the hydrogen leaks?  Back in College I worked 
at Argonne labs, and we used lots of helium/nitrogen for cryogenics.  I 
don't remember having leaking problems.


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[AFMUG] Google Earth Weirdness

[Nate Burke]

I use Google earth quite a bit as a supplement to CNHeat since I find 
navigation and measuring there easier.  Within the last week, on all the 
machines I use Google earth on, default imagery works fine, loads right 
in, but anytime I try to view the historical images, it just sits there 
and grinds.  Sometimes it loads, mostly not, if it does load, it's at a 
very low resolution.I know Google would like nothing better than to 
kill off Earth and drive everything through the browser, so I was 
wondering if this was just a me problem, or if others see this too.




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[AFMUG] OT: Vanilla Extract

[Nate Burke]

I'm guessing many people on here dabble in the baking arts.  My Bottle 
of Rodelle Vanilla Extract that I got several years ago has run out.  
Some of the more recent reviews for Rodelle say that it's watered down 
now.  All sites that I've viewed say that McCormick has changed their 
formula and it's just no good anymore.  Watkins looks to have pretty 
good reviews, and costs about 30% more than McCormick.  Amazon has good 
selection, but alot of the reviews say they might be counterfeit products.


Anyone bought some Vanilla extract recently and can offer a review?

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Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out

[Nate Burke]

I changed the /30 that the OSPF network was using over the F425 and that 
seems to have fixed it.  The original /30 does not exist anywhere else 
on the network that I can find, either as a route, defined IP,  or a 
Router ID.  I didn't think of changing that since it seemed to be a 
weather event that triggered it in the first place, and it had been 
working fine for months.


On 10/12/2022 7:11 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

I would have to take a look, but sounds like duplicate routerID or BFD.  OSPF 
is pretty straight forward on this.



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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out

I changed the RB4011 to a RB2009, and tried downgrading the RB4011 to
ROS6.49.6 from ROS7.5 and it's doing the exact same thing.  I've tried setting 
up an EoIP Tunnel across the F425, and changed the Router ID in OSPF.  Still 
doing the exact same thing.  As soon as I enable the F425 link, the Entire 
route table will flap between the Powerbridge and the
F425 even though the powerbridge is a cost of 20 higher than the F425.
If I disable the F425, everything is stable over the Powerbridge.  Not sure 
what else to try.

On 10/6/2022 4:22 PM, Robert Haas wrote:

Make sure you haven't duplicated your router id.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out

I have a site with a RB4011 connected via an old M5 Powerbridge, and an EPMP 
PTP425.  The 4011 is running ROSv7, everything else is on ROSv6. Connecting to 
a CCR1036 and CCR1009 on the other ends of the radios.

Everything was working perfectly for several months until a storm came
through, and now the F425 OSPF Session will not stay stable. The OSPF
Weights are set to prefer the F425 link.  The OSPF neighbor never goes
down, Adjacency/state never change, but the RB4011 will update it's
entire routing table about every 5 seconds and flap back and forth
between the Powerbridge and the F425.  The remote routers never update
the route to the 4011, it is stable over the F425.  If I disable the
F425 neighbor, everything is stable over the powerbridge.  If I disable the 
Powerbridge neighbor, the router will lose connectivity for a second every 10 
or 15 seconds, like it loses it's routing table.

There is no packet loss across the F425 link, and it will Tik to Tik bw test at 
100MB sync no problem and no packet loss.  I've even tried changing ports on 
the 4011, plugging the F425 into a completely separate OSPF router on the 
remote end.  I've also put the traffic through a VLAN on the F425 to see if the 
F425 was doing something weird with the packets.  The F425 radios on both ends 
have been power cycled.  I've also updated ROS to the latest 7beta, and no 
change.

I'd think this is an issue with ROSv7/6 since the routing table keeps updating, 
but the powerbridge link is always fine, so it feels like something with the 
F425.  Especially since it happened after a storm.
But at the same time, how could a failure of the F425 be affecting OSPF?  When 
I do OSPF Logging on the 4011, nothing is looking out of the ordinary.  I guess 
I could try physically changing the 4011, but I've never had a failure like 
that before.

Mainly I just want to vent that I'm probably missing something stupid, I just 
haven't been able to figure out what it is yet.




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Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out

[Nate Burke]

I changed the RB4011 to a RB2009, and tried downgrading the RB4011 to 
ROS6.49.6 from ROS7.5 and it's doing the exact same thing.  I've tried 
setting up an EoIP Tunnel across the F425, and changed the Router ID in 
OSPF.  Still doing the exact same thing.  As soon as I enable the F425 
link, the Entire route table will flap between the Powerbridge and the 
F425 even though the powerbridge is a cost of 20 higher than the F425.  
If I disable the F425, everything is stable over the Powerbridge.  Not 
sure what else to try.


On 10/6/2022 4:22 PM, Robert Haas wrote:

Make sure you haven't duplicated your router id.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out

I have a site with a RB4011 connected via an old M5 Powerbridge, and an EPMP 
PTP425.  The 4011 is running ROSv7, everything else is on ROSv6. Connecting to 
a CCR1036 and CCR1009 on the other ends of the radios.

Everything was working perfectly for several months until a storm came through, 
and now the F425 OSPF Session will not stay stable. The OSPF Weights are set to 
prefer the F425 link.  The OSPF neighbor never goes down, Adjacency/state never 
change, but the RB4011 will update it's entire routing table about every 5 
seconds and flap back and forth between the Powerbridge and the F425.  The 
remote routers never update the route to the 4011, it is stable over the F425.  
If I disable the
F425 neighbor, everything is stable over the powerbridge.  If I disable the 
Powerbridge neighbor, the router will lose connectivity for a second every 10 
or 15 seconds, like it loses it's routing table.

There is no packet loss across the F425 link, and it will Tik to Tik bw test at 
100MB sync no problem and no packet loss.  I've even tried changing ports on 
the 4011, plugging the F425 into a completely separate OSPF router on the 
remote end.  I've also put the traffic through a VLAN on the F425 to see if the 
F425 was doing something weird with the packets.  The F425 radios on both ends 
have been power cycled.  I've also updated ROS to the latest 7beta, and no 
change.

I'd think this is an issue with ROSv7/6 since the routing table keeps updating, 
but the powerbridge link is always fine, so it feels like something with the 
F425.  Especially since it happened after a storm.
But at the same time, how could a failure of the F425 be affecting OSPF?  When 
I do OSPF Logging on the 4011, nothing is looking out of the ordinary.  I guess 
I could try physically changing the 4011, but I've never had a failure like 
that before.

Mainly I just want to vent that I'm probably missing something stupid, I just 
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[AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out

[Nate Burke]

I have a site with a RB4011 connected via an old M5 Powerbridge, and an 
EPMP PTP425.  The 4011 is running ROSv7, everything else is on ROSv6.  
Connecting to a CCR1036 and CCR1009 on the other ends of the radios.


Everything was working perfectly for several months until a storm came 
through, and now the F425 OSPF Session will not stay stable. The OSPF 
Weights are set to prefer the F425 link.  The OSPF neighbor never goes 
down, Adjacency/state never change, but the RB4011 will update it's 
entire routing table about every 5 seconds and flap back and forth 
between the Powerbridge and the F425.  The remote routers never update 
the route to the 4011, it is stable over the F425.  If I disable the 
F425 neighbor, everything is stable over the powerbridge.  If I disable 
the Powerbridge neighbor, the router will lose connectivity for a second 
every 10 or 15 seconds, like it loses it's routing table.


There is no packet loss across the F425 link, and it will Tik to Tik bw 
test at 100MB sync no problem and no packet loss.  I've even tried 
changing ports on the 4011, plugging the F425 into a completely separate 
OSPF router on the remote end.  I've also put the traffic through a VLAN 
on the F425 to see if the F425 was doing something weird with the 
packets.  The F425 radios on both ends have been power cycled.  I've 
also updated ROS to the latest 7beta, and no change.


I'd think this is an issue with ROSv7/6 since the routing table keeps 
updating, but the powerbridge link is always fine, so it feels like 
something with the F425.  Especially since it happened after a storm. 
But at the same time, how could a failure of the F425 be affecting 
OSPF?  When I do OSPF Logging on the 4011, nothing is looking out of the 
ordinary.  I guess I could try physically changing the 4011, but I've 
never had a failure like that before.


Mainly I just want to vent that I'm probably missing something stupid, I 
just haven't been able to figure out what it is yet.



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Re: [AFMUG] Datacenter power submetering

[Nate Burke]

I installed an Accuenergy AcuRev 2100 on one of my panels.  Used CT's 
based on the current of the breaker.  You can SNMP it, so should be able 
to do general billing off it.  Can do 18 channels. Read every minute, or 
30 seconds, and log those.


It's a 3 phase unit, and I was retrofitting it into a panel that I 
didn't want to monitor every circuit in, so I ran into some issues where 
I didn't have the CT hooked up to the right Phase for monitoring when 
connecting it to the Accuenergy.  The Current reading was right, but it 
Didn't display the other data for that circuit right like KW and KVA.  
Phase A CT connects to Inputs 1,4,7, Phase B on 2,5,8 etc


On 10/1/2022 4:48 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
Forrest, Thanks for the suggestion on egauge, that looks like a nice 
solution and reasonable cost.


Trying to do multiple actual utility meters presented some hurdles in 
needing a PE to stamp a design, township zoning approval (several 
months), and significant timing issues from the utility who is many 
months behind on service installs and availability issues on the multi 
gang meter banks. Plus it complicates having two large standby 
generators to A/B power all the loads, I guess you need to use  
seperate transfer switches for each customer then?


Thanks,
Chris



On Sat, Oct 1, 2022, 4:34 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


Many states require revenue grade metering if you're going to be
metering via the kwh. This can get expensive.

One option is to calculate what the maximum your customer can draw
is based on 80% of the breaker size.   And charge based on that.

20A breaker, maximum continuous load of 16A, 16(amps) x 120(volts)
x 24(hours) x 30(days) / 1000(kilo) = 1,382.4kwh.  At 10c per kwh,
you can specify  $150/ month for this circuit, and specify a
maximum continuous load of 16A.

If you're only going to have 3 or 4 tenants, I'd put a meter pack
in (like they have on apartments) and use real meters.  If you do
it right, the utility company will just handle the billing.

If you really do want to go the per circuit metering route, look
at egauge.


On Sat, Oct 1, 2022, 10:43 AM Chris Fabien mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:

We are remodeling our old office building into a datacenter
with 2 or 3 tenants and a 2500 sqft general retail space. I
want to be able to sub-meter the power on a per-circuit basis,
and ideally be able to assign a group of circuits to each
tenant they serve. I have seen some inexpensive solution using
small current transformers in the panel but they are targeted
at residential. The circuits needing to be metered will be
from 20 to 200A feeds. Any solutions out there like this?
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Re: [AFMUG] IceQube Cabinet AC units

[Nate Burke]

I looked at the amazon box closer, It can do 5000w, but I think it 
produces 240 single wire, for European use.  Not 120v *2 like US 240v.  
So it probably won't work.


On 9/28/2022 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Not trying to insult your intelligence, but you did verify your amazon 
transformer will do the wattage or actually the VA  you need, right?


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 7:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IceQube Cabinet AC units

I got a reply back from IceQube, they said that the units are designed
for single phase only, and at 208V, the unit will be de-rated by about
25%.  At +/-10% he feels it would be very close to the edge to run it at
208v.

I found a 120v->240V transformer on Amazon for <$200.  I think I'll try
one of those.

On 9/27/2022 6:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I have never had a 240 anything not work on 208. 240-24=216
Most things can handle +- 10%  216 is not too far off of 208 and some 
208 three phase systems run high.


That is only a 5 amp circuit.  A 208 to 30 volt 5 amp transformer can 
be wired in a boost config.

Or anything close.  240 to 24 or 36 would work.

Say you found a 240-24 5 amp or more transformer.  It will give you 
21 volts on 208.
Adding that to the 208 and you will get a boost to 229.  Pretty close 
to the 230 you are looking for.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 4:31 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] IceQube Cabinet AC units

I got a couple used cabinets that have IceQube IQ 4000BTU ac units. The
Label says 230V 60hz, but most of my sites have 208V 3 phase power.
Will they still work?  Nothing on the IceQube site lists 208v as an
option for these units, nor does any documentation I found address
208v/230v.

Years ago we had some portable 24000 BTU Mov-N-Cool 230v units, and they
would work with 208v, but as they got older, they couldn't always start
the compressor with 208v.






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Re: [AFMUG] IceQube Cabinet AC units

[Nate Burke]

I got a reply back from IceQube, they said that the units are designed 
for single phase only, and at 208V, the unit will be de-rated by about 
25%.  At +/-10% he feels it would be very close to the edge to run it at 
208v.


I found a 120v->240V transformer on Amazon for <$200.  I think I'll try 
one of those.


On 9/27/2022 6:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I have never had a 240 anything not work on 208. 240-24=216
Most things can handle +- 10%  216 is not too far off of 208 and some 
208 three phase systems run high.


That is only a 5 amp circuit.  A 208 to 30 volt 5 amp transformer can 
be wired in a boost config.

Or anything close.  240 to 24 or 36 would work.

Say you found a 240-24 5 amp or more transformer.  It will give you 21 
volts on 208.
Adding that to the 208 and you will get a boost to 229.  Pretty close 
to the 230 you are looking for.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 4:31 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] IceQube Cabinet AC units

I got a couple used cabinets that have IceQube IQ 4000BTU ac units. The
Label says 230V 60hz, but most of my sites have 208V 3 phase power.
Will they still work?  Nothing on the IceQube site lists 208v as an
option for these units, nor does any documentation I found address
208v/230v.

Years ago we had some portable 24000 BTU Mov-N-Cool 230v units, and they
would work with 208v, but as they got older, they couldn't always start
the compressor with 208v.




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[AFMUG] IceQube Cabinet AC units

[Nate Burke]

I got a couple used cabinets that have IceQube IQ 4000BTU ac units. The 
Label says 230V 60hz, but most of my sites have 208V 3 phase power.  
Will they still work?  Nothing on the IceQube site lists 208v as an 
option for these units, nor does any documentation I found address 
208v/230v.


Years ago we had some portable 24000 BTU Mov-N-Cool 230v units, and they 
would work with 208v, but as they got older, they couldn't always start 
the compressor with 208v.


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[AFMUG] My Internet is down and I can't sleep

[Nate Burke]

One of our grain legs is getting demolished and rebuilt, so the site is 
down for a week.  Planned outage, all the customers knew. Customer 
emailed yesterday and wanted to know how much longer it will be down 
because they can't control their mattress without the internet.  I'm 
having visions of something from 'Naked Gun' or 'Airplane' of the 
mattress just going crazy and they have it barricaded in a room.


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[AFMUG] WIFI Camera venting

[Nate Burke]

Usually the incidents are not this close, but when they're on top of 
each other it just makes me angry.  Just because you refuse to 
understand it, doesn't make it magic.


Rural customer wants our internet. ok, no problem, we do that all the 
time.  The ONLY reason they want the connection from us, is so they can 
put RING cameras in their steel barn 300' away from the house, and the 
kid at best buy told them it would be fine because you just plug them in 
and they connect to the wifi.


One of our property managers who we have several connections to her 
buildings wants to put 30 cameras in at 2 MDU buildings in an office 
park.  Both their camera vendor and Comcast assured her that it would 
only require a connection in one of the FACP rooms, and that the other 
building 400' away, with the FACP Room on the opposite end of the 
building would be able to 'ping off it' just fine.  I know comcast 
advertises their new wifi as Magic, but I don't think even it could do 
that.



Am I the bad guy for dashing their hopes and dreams?  I consider it 
'managing expectations'  like 'If your computer can't print to your 
printer, getting our connection instead of a hotspot isn't going to help 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fishing over Drop Ceiling

[Nate Burke]

I haven't been above the drop ceiling yet, so not sure how much 
clearance there is.  It's a 1 story MDU that's a cleaners, so 30 years 
of lint and dust are covering everything.  I need to go across the whole 
back room, so taking any tiles out is going to be a filthy disaster, and 
I don't think I was able to translate properly 'This is going to be 
dirty over all these clean clothes'  And there is just barely enough 
room to turn around, so I can't get a ladder in the middle anyway.


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On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 9:39 AM Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


I need to go about 30' across a drop ceiling.  I do not want to
remove
any tiles in the middle.  If I put a tennis ball on the end of my
screw
together fiberglass rods will that be enough to bounce over the
ceiling
supports as I push it?  Does it need to be bigger or smoother?

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[AFMUG] Fishing over Drop Ceiling

[Nate Burke]

I need to go about 30' across a drop ceiling.  I do not want to remove 
any tiles in the middle.  If I put a tennis ball on the end of my screw 
together fiberglass rods will that be enough to bounce over the ceiling 
supports as I push it?  Does it need to be bigger or smoother?


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Re: [AFMUG] Battery Heaters

[Nate Burke]

I do pads. 
https://www.amazon.com/Cozy-Products-FW-Electric-Warmer/dp/B79896 
Just put one of these on it and leave it plugged in all year. 
https://www.amazon.com/Tempro-Temprocube-Voltage-Control-Thermostat/dp/B07D3421SG


On 9/12/2022 6:53 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Pads are easy.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2022 4:57 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Battery Heaters
What are you guys using for battery heaters in outdoor enclosures?  
I'm seeing blankets, pads, etc - it's about to start getting cold here 
and I'd like to get something in place.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Electronic question

[Nate Burke]

Can you just change them both to a school-bell?  That seems easiest.

My house was wired for a doorbell, but one was never installed.  I put 
in a UBNT Doorbell, and tried to get it to ring a cheap ding/dong chime, 
but could never get it to work, would sometimes ding, but never dong.  I 
route it through a 24VAC relay to trigger a 24VDC electronic chime now.


On 9/6/2022 10:54 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

Do you mean like use the relay to trigger the ding-dong after the button is 
released and the school-bell is done?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2022 11:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Electronic question

I think you are correct about the cause of the issue, probably the easiest 
solution is to leave the buzzer in the main circuit, and wire a 24vac relay in 
parallel with it, using the relay contacts to close and open the circuit to the 
ding-dong bell.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 10:08 AM  wrote:

I know some of you are really good at this stuff…..



I’m in a 95 year old house.  There are two doorbells.  I just replaced the 
front doorbell with a new cheapo from Lowes.  Two chimes and two solenoids.  
One solenoid fires when you press the button, and the other fires when you 
release the button so you get the “ding-dong”.



There’s an old doorbell in the back kitchen that sounds like an old school 
bell.  Two coils make the clacker move rapidly back and forth striking the bell 
repeatedly.



Well, when I hooked up both the old and new bell at the same time, the school 
bell goes off when you press the button and the new one just goes “dong” when 
you release the button.  Either one works fine hooked up separately.  I’m 
guessing the first solenoid never fires on the new doorbell because the school 
bell is a way heavier load and takes all the current.  I could just replace the 
school bell, but I kinda like the nostalgic factor.  And I suppose the other 
easy answer is put them on separate transformers triggered by the same switch.



Is there some simple nerd-gineer answer like “just put a resistor here”?





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Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

[Nate Burke]

Tried to push the 500' run, got about 300' in before the fiber stopped 
pushing.  Going to try to splice on spare strands in an existing fiber 
in another conduit.  The guys who originally installed the conduit put 
pull line in all the other parts of the conduit run except for these 2 
runs that I'm trying to pull new fiber through.


On 8/20/2022 4:19 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Haven't tried it yet.  setup with the guys for Wednesday to try again.

On 8/20/2022 2:47 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
So, did you try it?  I have dug it up half way and cut it and pulled 
half before on difficult installs.


Just make sure to put the coupler on one end before you put the fiber 
in the other side...


-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

Stiffer and almost floats.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

We could try pushing it through.  We thought that would be a foolish
endeavor, but we can try.  I know how well pushing electric wire works,
but the fiber is stiffer.

On 8/19/2022 4:18 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Or a fire hydrant?  You can get a hydrant meter from the city to use 
hydrant water.


-Original Message- From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

Do you have a water hose nearby?

Water flowing through the pipe could carry a string/parachute down 
the way.
You'd have to find a way to secure the water hose to the conduit but 
you can probably figure that out.


Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:45 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

I have a 700' and 800' empty, but water filled, 1.25"duct I need to 
get fiber through (No pull line).  My Rodder is only 600'  Is there 
anyplace that would rent a 1000' rodder for a couple days? We tried 
to shop vac it out, but just not enough pull to get the water out 
over that distance. Are there other methods I haven't thought of 
yet?  I only have home/shop sized air compressors, I'd have to go 
rent a scroll compressor to try to blow it.


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Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

[Nate Burke]

Haven't tried it yet.  setup with the guys for Wednesday to try again.

On 8/20/2022 2:47 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
So, did you try it?  I have dug it up half way and cut it and pulled 
half before on difficult installs.


Just make sure to put the coupler on one end before you put the fiber 
in the other side...


-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

Stiffer and almost floats.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

We could try pushing it through.  We thought that would be a foolish
endeavor, but we can try.  I know how well pushing electric wire works,
but the fiber is stiffer.

On 8/19/2022 4:18 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Or a fire hydrant?  You can get a hydrant meter from the city to use 
hydrant water.


-Original Message- From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

Do you have a water hose nearby?

Water flowing through the pipe could carry a string/parachute down 
the way.
You'd have to find a way to secure the water hose to the conduit but 
you can probably figure that out.


Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:45 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

I have a 700' and 800' empty, but water filled, 1.25"duct I need to 
get fiber through (No pull line).  My Rodder is only 600'  Is there 
anyplace that would rent a 1000' rodder for a couple days? We tried 
to shop vac it out, but just not enough pull to get the water out 
over that distance. Are there other methods I haven't thought of 
yet?  I only have home/shop sized air compressors, I'd have to go 
rent a scroll compressor to try to blow it.


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Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

[Nate Burke]

We could try pushing it through.  We thought that would be a foolish 
endeavor, but we can try.  I know how well pushing electric wire works, 
but the fiber is stiffer.


On 8/19/2022 4:18 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Or a fire hydrant?  You can get a hydrant meter from the city to use 
hydrant water.


-Original Message- From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

Do you have a water hose nearby?

Water flowing through the pipe could carry a string/parachute down the 
way.
You'd have to find a way to secure the water hose to the conduit but 
you can probably figure that out.


Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:45 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

I have a 700' and 800' empty, but water filled, 1.25"duct I need to 
get fiber through (No pull line).  My Rodder is only 600'  Is there 
anyplace that would rent a 1000' rodder for a couple days? We tried to 
shop vac it out, but just not enough pull to get the water out over 
that distance.  Are there other methods I haven't thought of yet?  I 
only have home/shop sized air compressors, I'd have to go rent a 
scroll compressor to try to blow it.


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[AFMUG] Renting a Rodder

[Nate Burke]

I have a 700' and 800' empty, but water filled, 1.25"duct I need to get 
fiber through (No pull line).  My Rodder is only 600'  Is there anyplace 
that would rent a 1000' rodder for a couple days?  We tried to shop vac 
it out, but just not enough pull to get the water out over that 
distance.  Are there other methods I haven't thought of yet?  I only 
have home/shop sized air compressors, I'd have to go rent a scroll 
compressor to try to blow it.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Nate Burke]

Hey!? How come Steve is able to use 8000mhz wide channels his county?

On 8/16/2022 3:12 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I want to bribe officials

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 2:28 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


Been there, done that, including accidentally bribing customs in a
foreign country...
*From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 1:16 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

Then you can add “Smuggler” to your resume.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:09 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

Can you just fly to china, then strap some under your coat to get
them back?

On 8/16/2022 2:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

No idea yet. Need to first figure out the legalities.  If you
get caught funneling the wrong panel through the wrong place
you get hit with a 300% tariff.

*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:06 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

What kind of buy in are you looking at?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels
from someone.  Anyone know that the import duties are
these days?  It is a bit confusing.  Looks like many of
the panels are coming from Vietnam these days.

Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may
be selling some.  Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure
out the tax and duty first. I buy from China all the time
so doing the whole freight forwarding and customs broker
stuff is easy for me, but the laws are not.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Nate Burke]

Can you just fly to china, then strap some under your coat to get them 
back?


On 8/16/2022 2:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
No idea yet.  Need to first figure out the legalities. If you get 
caught funneling the wrong panel through the wrong place you get hit 
with a 300% tariff.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:06 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels
What kind of buy in are you looking at?
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:


Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels from
someone.  Anyone know that the import duties are these days?  It
is a bit confusing.  Looks like many of the panels are coming from
Vietnam these days.
Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may be
selling some.  Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure out the
tax and duty first.  I buy from China all the time so doing the
whole freight forwarding and customs broker stuff is easy for me,
but the laws are not.
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[AFMUG] The supply chain is really broken when the company doesn't even have their own parts

[Nate Burke]

I've have an open ticket on a defective cnWave V3000 bracket for a 
month.  Cambium themselves have no stock to send me a replacement. That 
doesn't bode well for product actually getting into distribution..


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Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

[Nate Burke]

So if I'm reading the website right, $350/camera to buy, and 
$150/camera/year for the ability manage and view the cameras, then an 
extra $120/camera/year for 30 days of cloud storage?


Ok, so $15,000 per year does buy a bunch of hard drives.

On 8/12/2022 12:16 PM, Daniel Pautz via AF wrote:


Ha,   I have to admit your replies give me chuckles

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2022 11:12 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

are these shower cams? those need good resolution

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 10:20 AM Zach Underwood <mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Yes we are getting paid, this is managed wifi site so we have
agreement with the site owner it is like a 300 unit site.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 11:05 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:

Hey, someone else is paying for your new 10G pipe.

I have one of these whales.  They wanted 2Gbps to a remote
location that they use for offsite backup.

We got a 5Gbps connection to our cabinet out front and we are
running FTTH from there.

We are getting paid to extend our network.  I can’t complain.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood
*Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2022 9:39 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

Here is the vendor they are using
https://www.rhombus.com/cameras/ all of the wired poe.
Unfortunately I am just an engineer and upper management said
we will support it. I mean we are getting 10gb EPL back to the
datacenter in a carrier hotel so we have the bandwidth but it
feels so wrong to set this up.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 9:56 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

8.2 TB/Day storage.  What cloud camera company are they
using.  Or are they just putting in all NEST cameras.  I'm
guessing next you'll say that they're all going to all be
WIFI Cameras, and they have provisioned a single Linksys
WIFI Router in the center of the property that will run
them all just fine.

On 8/12/2022 8:43 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

Send the quote.  Hope for the best.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

*From:* AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Zach
Underwood
*Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2022 8:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

I need to just say this as it is among the more crazy
requests. I got a request for internet access at one
of MDU site from the sites's cam vendor. Yeah fill out
our form and it turns out they have selected a cloud
only based system. They will have 124 x 5mp cams going
in each will live steam 24x7 6.3mbps for a total of
just under 800mbps of upload.

This is not a good use for the "cloud" 

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advance-networking.com <http://advance-networking.com>

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Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

[Nate Burke]

8.2 TB/Day storage.  What cloud camera company are they using.  Or are 
they just putting in all NEST cameras.  I'm guessing next you'll say 
that they're all going to all be WIFI Cameras, and they have provisioned 
a single Linksys WIFI Router in the center of the property that will run 
them all just fine.


On 8/12/2022 8:43 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:


Send the quote.  Hope for the best.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Zach Underwood
*Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2022 8:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

I need to just say this as it is among the more crazy requests. I got 
a request for internet access at one of MDU site from the sites's cam 
vendor. Yeah fill out our form and it turns out they have selected a 
cloud only based system. They will have 124 x 5mp cams going in each 
will live steam 24x7 6.3mbps for a total of just under 800mbps of upload.


This is not a good use for the "cloud" 

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[AFMUG] 5gb/s Short Wireless

[Nate Burke]

Looking to do a 100-200m Wireless 5gb/s temporary link.  I don't think 
cnWAVE does channel bonding until q3.  I guess I could do 2 links and 
LAG them.  I need to get 5gb/s extended across a highway for a 2 month 
event.  Don't want to bother with permits/boring, I don't think I could 
get permits in time.


Could do 80GHZ, but they're more expensive and have to FCC License. Any 
other gear out there that won't break the bank?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT freaked me out

[Nate Burke]

We could go back to the communal 'Sponge on a stick' like the Romans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg5kP5kvXpc


On 7/23/2022 11:17 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I don’t think my wife would like that.  I would feel odd standing at a 
urinal if women come in.  Especially if one lined up behind me.

I would not like to walk into a restroom full of women.
The times they are a changin’
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday, July 23, 2022 10:11 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT freaked me out

Around here all the public restrooms seem to be going co-ed (AKA 
gender neutral), so maybe they are getting ready for that?


bp

On 7/23/2022 8:31 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

On the front page of the SL Tribune:
image
I am so damned unwoke and old it is crazy but I had a visceral 
reaction.  Pretty sure that is not going to change...




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