Re: [AFMUG] Sms alerting

[Zach Underwood]

We use librenms + pagerduty

On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 8:46 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> For years and years I've been using emails sent to phonenum...@vtext.com
> to send network alerts to my cellphone.  Recently it seems that has started
> randomly rate limiting me, thereby delaying alerts for several hours.  Smtp
> delivery to vtext.com is just deferred with a random error message.  I
> was wondering how others are getting notifications to their mobile device.
> I could use 10DLC via my voip carrier, but that comes with its own whole
> set of regulations and possible fines when used for A2P.  Verizon has an
> 'enterprise messaging'
> https://www.verizon.com/business/products/voice-collaboration/business-sms-solutions/
> that says it is a direct replacement for vtext, but there is no pricing, so
> I'm guessing it's expensive.
>
> I like the email gateway since I send each alert from a unique email
> address for that device, so on my phone in my messaging app, they are all
> nicely threaded by device.  Makes it really easy to track UPS statuses as a
> storm rolls through and power is flashing.  Is there a similar application
> that would provide real-time alerting without breaking the bank?
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Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic

[Zach Underwood]

We pay $700 per month for a pair of dark fiber about 6km route from our
data center to one of our sites both in downtown Atlanta from zayo. We run
40gbps 10km optics.

On Fri, May 3, 2024, 11:04 PM Chris Fabien  wrote:

> We have seen an extremely wide range of prices for dark fiber leases,
> it's one of these things where every situation and provider is
> different. I have been quoted prices over $100/mo per strand-mile and
> as low as $15/mo/strand-mile. A lot of the value seems to be what they
> suspect you're going to try to do with the strands. 50 Miles to a
> datacenter, you're gonna be running NxDWDM 100gig waves, big money.
> Shorter local/metro distance that maybe gets you between your NOC and
> a small/WISP style tower, or maybe grabbing a piece of an "island" run
> that can't even connect to anything else, much more reasonable prices.
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 5:50 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
> >
> > For those of you who have dark fiber access, what kind of costs do you
> have?
> >
> > I'm thinking more of the cost to access these strands? IRU costs, lease,
> swaps with other providers, etc?
> >
> > I want some sort of ballpark costs to know what's reasonable when we
> start looking at this over wavelengths for shorter paths.
> >
> > On Thu, May 2, 2024, 2:50 PM Chris Fabien  wrote:
> >>
> >> Mark, we do exactly this on a segment where we have leased 2 strands
> >> of dark fiber on a 30mile path. The ends of the run have 8-ch DWDM
> >> Muxes and we have two spots along the run where we have an OADM in a
> >> splice case to drop out a wavelength. At those points, we set a
> >> handhole next to the carrier's handhole, and they looped the 2 strands
> >> onto a 12F jumper into our case, so our OADM is in our case, in our
> >> handhole. Just be sure your optical margins are planned for any
> >> potential add/drop points because each does have some loss.
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF
> >>  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > We may have the opportunity to grab 2 strands of dark fiber.  These
> will allow us to build a loop between two points on our network.  We have
> been told we can also break into this fiber within our loop.  I'm guessing
> when we break into this fiber they will just extend the dark fiber into our
> handhole and we will be responsible to figure out what we do once we cut
> into that fiber.
> >> >
> >> > I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to do this passively so we
> don't have to depend on having our loop run though a customers location.  I
> was thinking of CWDM.  I can setup a CWDM/DWDM at our site and send
> multiple wave lengths down the fiber.  Is there a way for me to break out
> just one wavelength at a hand hole passively?
> >> >
> >> > Let's say I have a North/South run of 2 strands going though a hand
> hole and I what to break out 1270nm for a customer.  Is there away for me
> in the hand hole, passively, to peel off just 1270nm.  Put something like a
> 1x2 splitter in on N1, N2, S1, S2 and send those 4 fibers into the customer
> site.  Then install a couple of 1270nm optics in a switch to preserve the
> loop for that one customer.
> >> >
> >> > Do the optics do all the magic or are there some type of filters in
> the DWDM/CWDM modules?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >> >
> >> > Myakka Communications
> >> > www.Myakka.com
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [AFMUG] sale bulk used Mikrotik swtiches

[Zach Underwood]

We have standardized on refurbished cisco 3650 POE for our IDF switches
that are deploying close to 100 a month right now.  That may be pushed up
to 200-300 a month by the end of the year.

We use arista for fore switch at our MDU sites, Mikrotik routers as site
route and arista for both route and switch in the datacenter.

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 5:21 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
wrote:

> Just wondering what the reason is for pulling the MikroTik Switches ?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess*
>
>
> * Mikrotik : **Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless
> Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security
> Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer*
>
> *Hurricane Electric: **IPv6 Sage Level*
>
> *Cambium: **ePMP*
>
>
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
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>
>
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> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] sale bulk used Mikrotik swtiches
>
> We are working on pulling out Mikrotik switches from the network and
> looking for vendors to buy the used switches. I have tried SWG and they
> went silent on emails so I am looking for another vendor. All hardware is
> located in ATL but can bulk ship.
>
> We have almost all models of crs1xx, crs2xx, crs3xx with a mix of poe and
> non poe
>
> Example we have close to 100x CRS328
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[AFMUG] sale bulk used Mikrotik swtiches

[Zach Underwood]

We are working on pulling out Mikrotik switches from the network and
looking for vendors to buy the used switches. I have tried SWG and they
went silent on emails so I am looking for another vendor. All hardware is
located in ATL but can bulk ship.

We have almost all models of crs1xx, crs2xx, crs3xx with a mix of poe and
non poe

Example we have close to 100x CRS328

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Re: [AFMUG] Peering vs transit

[Zach Underwood]

This is where I got started both with the BGP request and PNI request.

https://isp.google.com/iwantpeering

source of that link. https://www.peeringdb.com/net/433

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 11:30 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I'm at ~500 mbps of Google traffic and the website specifically tells me I
> have sufficient traffic.  I put in a ticket and I guess we'll see what
> happens!
>
> Did isp.google.com tell you that you were too big?
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 11:12 AM Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
>> That is the part that we tried for a long time. We shared two IXs with
>> google, and we asked google for BGP sessions over both IXs and was told
>> over and over that we were too big for IX. That left us with only two
>> options, all google over transit links or pay for cross connects between us
>> and Google. It is worth noting that google requires dual PNI in all shared
>> metros. They pay for the first cross connect and provide the IPs but the
>> 2nd one is on you.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 11:02 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From what I'm seeing at isp.google.com to peer you just give them a BGP
>>> peer session.  Is that it?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:29 AM Zach Underwood 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is some data for the people that talk about just getting fat
>>>> transit pipes and skip peering.
>>>>
>>>> This is from Google's point of view of our network. Yesterday we moved
>>>> our google traffic from transit (GTT) to PNI.
>>>>
>>>> Goodput up 20%.
>>>> retransmit rates dropped in half
>>>> Application RTT dropped in half.
>>>>
>>>> We started down this route since about 3 weeks google de-peered us on
>>>> two different IX RS. For a long time we have asked google for bgp sessions
>>>> over the IX and was told with 5gbps peak traffic we were too large for IX.
>>>> After the deeper we started the process to get the dual PNIs.
>>>>  [image: image.png]
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Peering vs transit

[Zach Underwood]

That is the part that we tried for a long time. We shared two IXs with
google, and we asked google for BGP sessions over both IXs and was told
over and over that we were too big for IX. That left us with only two
options, all google over transit links or pay for cross connects between us
and Google. It is worth noting that google requires dual PNI in all shared
metros. They pay for the first cross connect and provide the IPs but the
2nd one is on you.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 11:02 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> From what I'm seeing at isp.google.com to peer you just give them a BGP
> peer session.  Is that it?
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:29 AM Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
>> Here is some data for the people that talk about just getting fat
>> transit pipes and skip peering.
>>
>> This is from Google's point of view of our network. Yesterday we moved
>> our google traffic from transit (GTT) to PNI.
>>
>> Goodput up 20%.
>> retransmit rates dropped in half
>> Application RTT dropped in half.
>>
>> We started down this route since about 3 weeks google de-peered us on two
>> different IX RS. For a long time we have asked google for bgp sessions over
>> the IX and was told with 5gbps peak traffic we were too large for IX. After
>> the deeper we started the process to get the dual PNIs.
>>  [image: image.png]
>>
>>
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[AFMUG] Peering vs transit

[Zach Underwood]

Here is some data for the people that talk about just getting fat
transit pipes and skip peering.

This is from Google's point of view of our network. Yesterday we moved our
google traffic from transit (GTT) to PNI.

Goodput up 20%.
retransmit rates dropped in half
Application RTT dropped in half.

We started down this route since about 3 weeks google de-peered us on two
different IX RS. For a long time we have asked google for bgp sessions over
the IX and was told with 5gbps peak traffic we were too large for IX. After
the deeper we started the process to get the dual PNIs.
 [image: image.png]


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Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Zach Underwood]

Jared, do you have another vendor for 100gb 80km optics other than fs.com
and what does the price point look like?

I sent over the notes to the fiber provider yesterday, still waiting to
hear back.

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 7:05 AM  wrote:

> On Friday, January 26, 2024 Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Could he bond dwm multiples at lower rates?
>   Yes. Needs a muxponder or do a breakout at both ends to do it
> transparently. Just bonding the links is obviously also an option.
>
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 Zach Underwood wrote:
> > My sample size is small due to the optices costing $4k each
>   My suggestion is that you immediately change suppliers at prices like
> that.
>
>   FYI, I never got the original post to the list. Is the list somehow
> broken? It's been awfully quiet lately in either case.
>
>
> - Jared
>
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Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Zach Underwood]

wow thanks for the detail, I will work with the boss and the fiber provider
to try to address some of those problems.

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:14 AM  wrote:

> As an OTDR trace it looks really good, but your problem might be at event
> 18 and/or 19.   I don’t know how much you wanted to know so I apologize if
> I’m starting too far towards the beginning.
>
>
>
> #18 is around 100m from the end and has reflectance of -21.36.  That’s
> crappy.
>
> The -15 below it is even crappier.
>
>
>
> A UPC connector should be -40 to -50 dB
>
> An APC connector should be better than -55 or -60 depending on who you
> believe.
>
>
>
> If the distance is correct then maybe #18 is a cross connect panel?  #19
> should be your Arista.  Start with re-cleaning those connectors.  One-click
> cleaners are fast and cheap.  They only shot this in one direction, so we
> don’t know about the connectors on the other end.  I’d clean it on both
> sides.
>
>
>
> The line graph is showing you attenuation over distance.  You’re averaging
> under 0.2dB per Km so that’s really good.  The table below is showing you
> 19 events.  An event is any point along the graph where attenuation
> suddenly increased.  Events are either “reflective” or “non-reflective”.
> In the first column of the table they’re showing you a /R or /N for
> reflective or non-reflective.  You can also tell that in the line graph
> because reflective events will have a spike before the dip. You don’t want
> reflections.  Reflections are given in a -dB and you want it farther from
> zero (i.e.: -55 reflectance is better than -40 reflectance).
>
>
>
> (And side comment: reflectance is the same thing as return loss, but in
> optics people seem to prefer the term “reflectance”.  The only difference
> is return loss should be indicated with a positive number and reflectance
> is negative.
>
> Return Loss = 10*log(incident power/reflected power) in +dB
>
>Reflectance = 10*log(reflected power/incident power) in -dB
>
> )
>
>
>
> Non-reflective events are things adding attenuation but not adding
> reflectance.  Those would be fusion splices, coils, and bends.
>
>
>
> Reflective events mean there’s an exposed face of glass.  Those would be
> mechanical splices or connectors.  Reflective events could also be a fault
> in the fiber like a bubbled fusion splice.
>
>
>
> All that noise at the end of the line shows where the dead end is.
>
>
>
> On that test result the only event I don’t like along the middle of the
> run is #9.  4dB is a lot for one event.  It might be a less than perfect
> splice, a tight bend in a splice tray, a slack coil that’s too tight, or
> whatever.  It’s not enough to ruin this link, and it’s probably ok if it
> stays at 4dB forever.  There are some underground cases where I’ve seen the
> same high attenuation events for years, but they’re not hurting us and it’s
> too much trouble to access the case to fix something that isn’t currently a
> problem.
>
>
>
> If nobody ever said this before: you should clean connectors every time
> they are handled.  No matter what anybody tells you, the caps they come
> with are not “dust caps” and they won’t keep it clean; the caps are there
> so the glass face doesn’t get scratched.  When I’m plugging things in I
> clean the jack, clean the plug, and then treat it like I’m playing the old
> Operation game:  If the ferrule touches anything before it goes into the
> hole then it’s “Bzt!” and reclean it.
>
>
>
> The dispersion thing is a new concept for me, and I don’t think you could
> diagnose it from this one trace.  From what I’m gathering in this thread, I
> think you’d have to shoot it on multiple wavelengths and compare the
> differences.  This trace is only at 1550nm.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 7:41 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
>
>
> Ok we got the report back from the fiber supplier. This is new to me so
> anyone can offer insight into it?
>
>
>
> PDF
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KeIuWHFsiKZHxcmpPiY8PX_-PABl55Sz/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 6:00 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Dispersion compensation module - https://www.fs.com/products/65783.html
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:53 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
>
>
> I spent a few minutes searching on the term DCM and came

Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Zach Underwood]

Ok we got the report back from the fiber supplier. This is new to me so
anyone can offer insight into it?

PDF
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KeIuWHFsiKZHxcmpPiY8PX_-PABl55Sz/view?usp=sharing


On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 6:00 PM Daniel Pautz via AF  wrote:

> Dispersion compensation module - https://www.fs.com/products/65783.html
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:53 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
>
>
> I spent a few minutes searching on the term DCM and came up with “chirped
> fiber Bragg grating”.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_Bragg_grating
>
>
>
> OK, I’m out of my depth now.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel Pautz via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:40 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Daniel Pautz 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
>
>
> Perhaps pick up a used cheap DCM and see if it helps,  adjustable
> preferred if not as close to the fiber distance.   Our newest 100G dwdm
> build (dozen 100G optics) very much needed a DCM on it.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:36 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
>
>
> Gotta think of the Fourier series of the pulse.  Yes group velocities or
> group delay of the whole enchalada.  It is all kinda the same thing.  They
> were doing some kind of soliton fiber development.  Haven’t heard much for
> some time about that.  No idea how frequency pure/coherent the tx is.  I
> imagine phase coherency is a big deal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:12 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
>
>
> Looks like different wavelengths have different group velocities, so
> compensation is possible (but probably not cheap?).
>
>
>
> Is this because the transmitter doesn’t generate literally a single
> wavelength?  Or is this a WDM issue?  Chuck says the pulses get smeared out
> in time, that sounds like the first one.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
>
>
> Yeah, the pulses tend to get smeared out in time if there is too much
> dispersion.  Similar to trying to use too high level of QAM with SNR
> issues.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 12:26 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
>
>
> Even if the RX level is good?
>
> > rx was within 0.3dBm on all 4 lanes on both sides
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 1:22 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Yeah makes me think the two paths have different loss.   We have had that
> on mirrored paths,  or even single paths with crappy splices on one of the
> strands.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 11:12 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
>
>
> Did anyone do dispersion testing on the fiber?
>
>
>
> Chuck McCown
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503
> 435-830-4306 cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench-blades.com
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Zach Underwood
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 12:07 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
>
>
> tired again this morning and still no link. rx was within 0.3dBm on all 4
> lanes on both sides. We got 10gb 80km to link up. This will do for now. We
> will be looking at getting 40gb 80km single lane optics or adding another
> site to fiber loop to shorten the footage to under 40km.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 11:14 AM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
> So both of those SFPs are within the tx power range.
>
>
>
> 100G may not work on a link that long unless you have dispersion
> compensation fiber on the path or in a huge loop in a box style at one end.
>
>
>
> You likely cannot change tx power levels on those SFPs, they will run at
> the max they can do for that specific unit.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Ja

Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Zach Underwood]

I am not familiar  dispersion testing but we ask the outside plant provider
about  that.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 1:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Did anyone do dispersion testing on the fiber?
>
> Chuck McCown
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503
> 435-830-4306 cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench-blades.com
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
> *From:* Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2024 12:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
> tired again this morning and still no link. rx was within 0.3dBm on all 4
> lanes on both sides. We got 10gb 80km to link up. This will do for now. We
> will be looking at getting 40gb 80km single lane optics or adding another
> site to fiber loop to shorten the footage to under 40km.
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 11:14 AM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> So both of those SFPs are within the tx power range.
>>
>> 100G may not work on a link that long unless you have dispersion
>> compensation fiber on the path or in a huge loop in a box style at one end.
>>
>> You likely cannot change tx power levels on those SFPs, they will run at
>> the max they can do for that specific unit.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:46 a.m. Zach Underwood 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> TX Power   2~6.5dBm
>>>
>>> I am struggling to get this 100gb link up. In the field this link is
>>> quoted at 31 miles. The rx levels are -22 and -20 on both sides but I can't
>>> get it to link. I take the same optics to the lab and add 20dbm of 
>>> attenuator
>>> to get almost the same rx levels as the field and it will link up.
>>>
>>> I have added error-correction encoding reed-solomon per the user guide
>>> for links over 40km.
>>>
>>> So far I have not found a way to change the TX levels in arista, the
>>> options are in the CLI but they dont seem to change the outcome. For me
>>> this is the first time dealing with 80km optics or 100gb optics over 10km.
>>>
>>> switch is Arista DCS-7060SX2-48YC6-R
>>>
>>> https://resource.fs.com/mall/doc/20230531114903y4ljxw.pdf
>>> https://www.fs.com/products/115818.html?attribute=29032=3462585
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 8:35 AM Colin Stanners 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There should be. What does their datasheey indicate for tx power range?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:31 a.m. Zach Underwood 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yep labels identical but there is a difference in default power levels.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 8:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, meaning the variance between the two, otherwise identical models?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"Zach Underwood" 
>>>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 23, 2024 12:51:39 PM
>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got 2x 100gb 80km optics from FS that run difficult default TX
>>>>>> power levels one is 3.81dBm and the other 2.63dBm, the config on the 
>>>>>> arista
>>>>>> devices hosting the optics is the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone seen

Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Zach Underwood]

tired again this morning and still no link. rx was within 0.3dBm on all 4
lanes on both sides. We got 10gb 80km to link up. This will do for now. We
will be looking at getting 40gb 80km single lane optics or adding another
site to fiber loop to shorten the footage to under 40km.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 11:14 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> So both of those SFPs are within the tx power range.
>
> 100G may not work on a link that long unless you have dispersion
> compensation fiber on the path or in a huge loop in a box style at one end.
>
> You likely cannot change tx power levels on those SFPs, they will run at
> the max they can do for that specific unit.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:46 a.m. Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> TX Power   2~6.5dBm
>>
>> I am struggling to get this 100gb link up. In the field this link is
>> quoted at 31 miles. The rx levels are -22 and -20 on both sides but I
>> can't get it to link. I take the same optics to the lab and add 20dbm of 
>> attenuator
>> to get almost the same rx levels as the field and it will link up.
>>
>> I have added error-correction encoding reed-solomon per the user guide
>> for links over 40km.
>>
>> So far I have not found a way to change the TX levels in arista, the
>> options are in the CLI but they dont seem to change the outcome. For me
>> this is the first time dealing with 80km optics or 100gb optics over 10km.
>>
>> switch is Arista DCS-7060SX2-48YC6-R
>>
>> https://resource.fs.com/mall/doc/20230531114903y4ljxw.pdf
>> https://www.fs.com/products/115818.html?attribute=29032=3462585
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 8:35 AM Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There should be. What does their datasheey indicate for tx power range?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:31 a.m. Zach Underwood 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep labels identical but there is a difference in default power levels.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 8:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, meaning the variance between the two, otherwise identical models?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Zach Underwood" 
>>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 23, 2024 12:51:39 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>>>>>
>>>>> I got 2x 100gb 80km optics from FS that run difficult default TX power
>>>>> levels one is 3.81dBm and the other 2.63dBm, the config on the arista
>>>>> devices hosting the optics is the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone seen much difference between optic like this? My sample
>>>>> size is small due to the optices costing $4k each
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>>>>> My website <http://zachunderwood.me>
>>>>> advance-networking.com
>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Zach Underwood]

TX Power   2~6.5dBm

I am struggling to get this 100gb link up. In the field this link is quoted
at 31 miles. The rx levels are -22 and -20 on both sides but I can't get it
to link. I take the same optics to the lab and add 20dbm of attenuator to
get almost the same rx levels as the field and it will link up.

I have added error-correction encoding reed-solomon per the user guide for
links over 40km.

So far I have not found a way to change the TX levels in arista, the
options are in the CLI but they dont seem to change the outcome. For me
this is the first time dealing with 80km optics or 100gb optics over 10km.

switch is Arista DCS-7060SX2-48YC6-R

https://resource.fs.com/mall/doc/20230531114903y4ljxw.pdf
https://www.fs.com/products/115818.html?attribute=29032=3462585

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 8:35 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> There should be. What does their datasheey indicate for tx power range?
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:31 a.m. Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
>> Yep labels identical but there is a difference in default power levels.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 8:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, meaning the variance between the two, otherwise identical models?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Zach Underwood" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 23, 2024 12:51:39 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>>>
>>> I got 2x 100gb 80km optics from FS that run difficult default TX power
>>> levels one is 3.81dBm and the other 2.63dBm, the config on the arista
>>> devices hosting the optics is the same.
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen much difference between optic like this? My sample size
>>> is small due to the optices costing $4k each
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>>> My website <http://zachunderwood.me>
>>> advance-networking.com
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Zach Underwood]

Yep labels identical but there is a difference in default power levels.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 8:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Oh, meaning the variance between the two, otherwise identical models?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Zach Underwood" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 23, 2024 12:51:39 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] optical TX power levels
>
> I got 2x 100gb 80km optics from FS that run difficult default TX power
> levels one is 3.81dBm and the other 2.63dBm, the config on the arista
> devices hosting the optics is the same.
>
> Has anyone seen much difference between optic like this? My sample size is
> small due to the optices costing $4k each
>
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[AFMUG] optical TX power levels

[Zach Underwood]

I got 2x 100gb 80km optics from FS that run difficult default TX power
levels one is 3.81dBm and the other 2.63dBm, the config on the arista
devices hosting the optics is the same.

Has anyone seen much difference between optic like this? My sample size is
small due to the optices costing $4k each

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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Zach Underwood]

I am running a pair of Arista DCS-7280QRA-C36S-M-R
. By default it can take about 900k v4 routes which is a little short of a
full table. But airsta does have flexroute and FIB compression which both
reduce the actual number of routers in the RIB.

The two routers are running iBGP and I dont filter between then. I have 3x
full table upsteams, 2x ix connections and about 20 other bgp peers. I take
all routes from IX and bgp peers. From the full tables upstreams I take a
full table but only accept routes from there AS or one hop ways AS.
After the ASN path filter I get 154k routes from cogent, 94k from GTT and
230k from HE

My active routes on each router is less than 200k due to flexroute and FIB
compression.


On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:01 AM Daniel Pautz via AF 
wrote:

> Is it really considered a router or just high end switch? Eg  does it take
> full multi tables, etc?  what model? I have always considered playing
> with some Arista’s.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper
>
>
>
> While not juniper and with no support we have done very well with used
> Arista. We got 12x 100gb +24 x40gb router that can do bgp for under 10k
> eaxh.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 9:54 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update
> perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper

[Zach Underwood]

While not juniper and with no support we have done very well with used
Arista. We got 12x 100gb +24 x40gb router that can do bgp for under 10k
eaxh.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 9:54 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update
> perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget.
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Re: [AFMUG] Insurance

[Zach Underwood]

When I looked at my current role there insurance did not kick in for 90
days, I was paying $2k per month for private market insurance for my family
of 4. I pointed out their decision to not start insurance on day one would
cost me $6k and that would affect my decision to take the role. After a
little more pushing on them, they ended up giving me a 6k sign bonus to
offset the 90 days of private insurance.

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 11:54 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> I got crap on a job listing for offering health insurance after 6 months.
> My opinion is that we hire untrained entry level people.  They are young
> and poor.  Young might mean healthy, poor does mean medicaid eligibility.
> If they are any good and have lasted 6 months then insurance is a nice
> thing to add along with PTO etc.  We give raises twice a year guaranteed.
>
> Opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

[Zach Underwood]

I am curious what the application is that a longer cable would not address?
I have never heard of such a device.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two but
> need 3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports the
> power but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.
> Can you passively just extend the cage pins or is this something that
> requires electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?
>
>
> https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

[Zach Underwood]

We already have an example of such a employer reported system be abused by
ahole management. Take the example of wells Fargo and it's abuse of the U5
system.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 2:36 PM  wrote:

> If it’s *not* true it would be libel.  If the practice was found to
> disproportionately impact one group or another it could be a civil rights
> issue.
>
> Proving libel or civil rights issues are both difficult, but I think this
> service would be under constant threat of lawsuits and just the legal bills
> of defending itself would be a problem.
>
>
>
> And yeah, there are definitely vindictive a-holes in management positions
> who would give someone bad marks in that system just out of spite.  Sooner
> or later there would be real damages paid out.
>
>
>
> The system might be *useful*, but I do think it would be problematic both
> from a practical and ethical standpoint.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:24 PM
> *To:* fiber...@mail.com; af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
>
>
> Exactly what would be the complaint in the litigation?  Disparagement?
>
> Not a valid complaint if true.  Not actionable if true.  You can legally
> disparage all you want as long as you are telling the truth.  Been on FB
> much?
>
>
>
> Oh, he posted a mean thing in the database...  Ima gonna sue.  Yeah, good
> luck with that.
>
>
>
> Sharing credit info is no different than sharing employment info.  We do
> it daily.  We call, others call, we share.
>
> Just be a centralized database of this info.  Deadbeat doesn’t pay their
> bills.  Already in the credit system.
>
>
>
> So you think you would have something to litigate...  Love to see it.
>
>
>
> What states require a company to post salary ranges?
>
>
>
> *From:* fiber...@mail.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:51 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
>
>
> ... or each company could post salary ranges, as already required in some
> states. This obliviates the need for a middle man.
>
>
>
> As to a permanent record, that would probably be illegal in multiple
> states and an excellent way of being on the receiving end of litigation.
> And not without cause, there's a reason why blacklisting was made illegal.
>
>
>
> Employers can already ask for references and a CV.
>
>
>
> - Jared
>
>
>
>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15
> *From:* "Chuck McCown via AF" 
> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Cc:* "Chuck McCown" 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
> There is a new startup for you, have potential employees register,
> potential employers register, match up the ones that have overlap.  “Legal
> Tender”
>
>
>
> Here is another one.
>
> I wish there as a service that employers could subscribe to where we can
> all report bad employees.  Give people kinda a credit score based on how
> good or bad they were at previous jobs.  Let them file a protest and a
> letter just like a credit report.
>
> I would call it “The permanent record”
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:18 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
>
>
> I really wish there was a way that one could determine if the maximum an
> employer was willing to pay overlapped with the minimum an employee would
> accept without completely spoiling the whole negotiation process.
>
>
>
> I don't want to waste anyone's time if I won't be able to pay anything
> close to what they need.
>
>
>
> I have the same issue with some vendors who force you through this entire
> quoting process to find out that the lowest price they can offer is 10x
> what you'd be able to afford.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 9:33 AM  wrote:
>
> If they didn’t advertise any range or even a ballpark figure at all then
> it’s fair to ask what they had in mind.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
>
>
> I disagree with that, late last year I was laid off so most of January I
> was looking for another job. I was making over 100k at the last role and
> more than one interview   in January  for a role only to find out they top
> out at like 60k. So after that I would only interview if I knew the range.
> It wa

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

[Zach Underwood]

 shit, I am
> entitled to more because I exist.” Lol
>
>
>
> My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all the time,
> or have conditions.
>
> I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time online. They
> still know they get nothing as a default, but they are more entitled in
> language and practice than my older kids.
>
> Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors.
>
>
>
> I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and some of
> these people just throw around money like it magically appeared to them out
> of thin air without a care.
>
> There is no accountability or explanation.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
>
>
> I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get paid to
> learn MIG mild steel welding.   PT/FT flexible hours.  We hire 17 year
> olds.  I immediately got crap from this guy saying that the “young people
> of today” cannot exist on less than $18/hour which is what he gets and he
> works from home.
>
>
>
> Lots of people defended my $15/entry level, get paid to learn welding
> position.
>
> He deleted his post then sent me this:
>
>
>
> Hello there,
>
>
>
> Our of respect for you because it wasn't my intent to cause tension, I've
> deleted my comment on your posting. My only point was to emphasize that the
> going rate for a lot of entry level jobs is much higher than $15 an hour.
> Welding is a great skill and can open up great avenues in the future.
>
>
>
> However, The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot of
> candidates will not even walk through the door because other places even in
> the field of welding pay higher to start.
>
>
>
> What I emphasized at my company starting at $18 is just one example. We
> have people here that make well over $50 an hour because we operate on a
> commission structure. But that $18 base is livable when a one bedroom is
> $1000+ in tooele a month and depending on where you live it's as low as
> $1600+
>
>
>
> Again, never meant to offend so I am sorry for causing you any trouble.
>
>
>
> I replied:
>
> So you expect someone to walk from High School directly into a job where
> they can have a nice home, car and things?  Wow, without learning a trade,
> profession or other skill?   Our $15/hour people take home $2000/month.
> Pretty sure someone can exist on that and the smart ones will have
> roommates or live with their parents.  And the smarter ones will quickly be
> making more than $18/hour.  We have exactly zero problems finding as many
> workers as we need.  So your opinion that "youth of today" cannot exist on
> $15/hour is just that, unfounded opinion.  I guess your definition of
> "exist" is different than mine.  You can exist by walking, riding a bicycle
> or taking a bus to work.  You can exist by eating home cooked meals and
> making a home made sandwich for your lunch.  You can exist by wearing
> clothes from a thrift store.  You don't need the latest iPhone and Netflix
> to exist.  Read a book.  The struggle IS the journey and is what creates
> grit and strong character.
>
>
>
> He replied and blocked me:
>
> Yeah Okay Boomer. I was reaching out to be nice but you clearly have no
> idea what life is like for us today. I just bought my first house at 31
> because of how shit things are right now compared to when you were younger.
> But thanks for proving my point by being an asshole about "my definition of
> exist"
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Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims

[Zach Underwood]

I read it as it get hit between the meter and the house. If that is the
case My water company will not have to fix that.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 11:49 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> If it wasn't marked, I would push it to the water utility.  If the
> customer paid it already I'd question why they fixed it themselves instead
> of the water company.
>
> If it was marked and you hit it, you fucked up.  Like TJ said - pay now or
> pay later.
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 7:27 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>
>> This is a situation where a resident had toget the repair done and
>> already paid the bill.
>> I'd  have negotiated with the plumber, maybe had luck, maybe not.
>> I could argue about the lack of paint, but then the consumer gets screwed.
>> Its 2800 and a water bill. Dont know how bad that will be but it filled a
>> ditch apparently.
>> Could have been worse because the resident could have had them come on
>> Thanksgiving instead of friday.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 3:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Generally I have video proof that they were not marked.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Chris Fabien
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 2:40 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims
>>>
>>> We have Hartford but do not have any smallish claims like that to know
>>> what their response would be. I would be more concerned about making
>>> any claim as a brand new company / policyholder. What's the $$ of the
>>> damage in question. My general policy is for a damage that we were
>>> really at fault, under maybe $3000ish I would just pay it. Same for a
>>> damaged piece of equipment etc. Anything over $5k I would probably
>>> make a claim. When we have had an at-fault claim, I have had success
>>> in negotiating with the utility. Local power/gas co will knock off 25%
>>> for prompt payment and asking nicely. Some utilities really inflate
>>> the repair costs and others are very reasonable. If it's an inflated
>>> bill I would have a discussion about that. We do get damage bills all
>>> the time for telco cables that were mismarked and we hit and were not
>>> at fault, those I tell them once we were not at fault and here is why
>>> and then ignore them. Eventually they give up and stop bothering.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 2:32 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Any of you fine gents use the Hartford for general liability?
>>> >
>>> > Is there some method to talk to an agent with these guys without
>>> filing a
>>> > claim? Calling just circles me to claims agents, and they wont tell me
>>> > anything.
>>> > Im just trying to find out what the impact of a small claim is with
>>> these
>>> > guys and whether its best to just pay out of pocket if the liability
>>> does
>>> > fall on me.
>>> > I dont want to save a couple grand out of pocket to have my rates
>>> > skyrocket or coverage cancelled since its a new account, but then
>>> again, I
>>> > pay for more coverage than I need for what I do so its kind of a waste
>>> to
>>> > not use it.
>>> >
>>> > If any of you guys have filed a claim with them, how smooth is the
>>> > process?
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Re: [AFMUG] Datacenter power submetering

[Zach Underwood]

Do you have a fixed cost per kwh or is time of use or different cost per
kwh based on what bucket your overall usage.

You have any other than  fixed cost per kwh then just wire everything in
the same leased spaces to its own meter. If that retail space ends up being
food service do you really want to foot the bill for their power usage when
they hit peak traffic during peak power rates like at lunch time.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Found by googling:
> https://accucdn.accuenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/AcuRev-2100-Multi-Circuit-Submeter-Datasheet.pdf
>
>
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 1, 2022 11:41 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Datacenter power submetering
>
> We are remodeling our old office building into a datacenter with 2 or 3
> tenants and a 2500 sqft general retail space. I want to be able to
> sub-meter the power on a per-circuit basis, and ideally be able to assign a
> group of circuits to each tenant they serve. I have seen some inexpensive
> solution using small current transformers in the panel but they are
> targeted at residential. The circuits needing to be metered will be from 20
> to 200A feeds. Any solutions out there like this?
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Re: [AFMUG] amber alert

[Zach Underwood]

A cellphone without a sim card is still connected to the cell network, it
is still able to call 911.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 10:54 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> Not sure that is all there is to it.  I have an old phone that I keep this
> laying around generally on Wi-Fi to listen to podcasts and a few other
> things.  Only wifi.  No sim in it.  It still gets those alerts.
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] amber alert
> Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2022 10:24 AM
>
> Everything sent to cell phone with a pair of keys.  One key is in your SIM
> card, and the other is in the EPC at the cell company’s head end.  I
> *assume* the amber alert is still encrypted like everything else. Could
> be wrong,  but you might have to crack that to send anything to your phone
> that it would listen to.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2022 11:16:18 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] amber alert
>
> I wonder what kind of special signal they send to your phone to trigger an
> amber alert?  I would love to be able to trigger my phone on certain alarms
> like that.
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Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

[Zach Underwood]

Unfortunately with this type of vendor(cloud) including this one it is a
selling point that they dont need onsite hardware. 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 2:19 PM  wrote:

> If I was the cloud camera vendor, I’d try to design a hybrid system where
> a local NVR has the full resolution video and the cloud is only keeping a
> low-res “thumbnail” version.  You pick a time period you want full res for
> and then the cloud system requests it from the NVR.  Have the NVR poll the
> cloud system every 30 seconds to watch for requests so it doesn’t need a
> static IP.
>
>
>
> …..but I’m not the camera vendor.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2022 9:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request
>
>
>
> I need to just say this as it is among the more crazy requests. I got a
> request for internet access at one of MDU site from the sites's cam vendor.
> Yeah fill out our form and it turns out they have selected a cloud
> only based system. They will have 124 x 5mp cams going in each will live
> steam 24x7 6.3mbps for a total of just under 800mbps of upload.
>
>
>
> This is not a good use for the "cloud" 
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

[Zach Underwood]

Yes we are getting paid, this is managed wifi site so we have agreement
with the site owner it is like a 300 unit site.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 11:05 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> Hey, someone else is paying for your new 10G pipe.
>
> I have one of these whales.  They wanted 2Gbps to a remote location that
> they use for offsite backup.
>
> We got a 5Gbps connection to our cabinet out front and we are running FTTH
> from there.
>
>
>
> We are getting paid to extend our network.  I can’t complain.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2022 9:39 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request
>
>
>
> Here is the vendor they are using https://www.rhombus.com/cameras/ all of
> the wired poe. Unfortunately I am just an engineer and upper management
> said we will support it. I mean we are getting 10gb EPL back to the
> datacenter in a carrier hotel so we have the bandwidth but it feels so
> wrong to set this up.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 9:56 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> 8.2 TB/Day storage.  What cloud camera company are they using.  Or are
> they just putting in all NEST cameras.  I'm guessing next you'll say that
> they're all going to all be WIFI Cameras, and they have provisioned a
> single Linksys WIFI Router in the center of the property that will run them
> all just fine.
>
> On 8/12/2022 8:43 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
>
> Send the quote.  Hope for the best.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2022 8:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request
>
>
>
> I need to just say this as it is among the more crazy requests. I got a
> request for internet access at one of MDU site from the sites's cam vendor.
> Yeah fill out our form and it turns out they have selected a cloud
> only based system. They will have 124 x 5mp cams going in each will live
> steam 24x7 6.3mbps for a total of just under 800mbps of upload.
>
>
>
> This is not a good use for the "cloud" 
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

[Zach Underwood]

Here is the vendor they are using https://www.rhombus.com/cameras/ all of
the wired poe. Unfortunately I am just an engineer and upper management
said we will support it. I mean we are getting 10gb EPL back to the
datacenter in a carrier hotel so we have the bandwidth but it feels so
wrong to set this up.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 9:56 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> 8.2 TB/Day storage.  What cloud camera company are they using.  Or are
> they just putting in all NEST cameras.  I'm guessing next you'll say that
> they're all going to all be WIFI Cameras, and they have provisioned a
> single Linksys WIFI Router in the center of the property that will run them
> all just fine.
>
> On 8/12/2022 8:43 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
>
> Send the quote.  Hope for the best.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of * Zach Underwood
> *Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2022 8:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request
>
>
>
> I need to just say this as it is among the more crazy requests. I got a
> request for internet access at one of MDU site from the sites's cam vendor.
> Yeah fill out our form and it turns out they have selected a cloud
> only based system. They will have 124 x 5mp cams going in each will live
> steam 24x7 6.3mbps for a total of just under 800mbps of upload.
>
>
>
> This is not a good use for the "cloud" 
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] crazy bandwidth request

[Zach Underwood]

I need to just say this as it is among the more crazy requests. I got a
request for internet access at one of MDU site from the sites's cam vendor.
Yeah fill out our form and it turns out they have selected a cloud
only based system. They will have 124 x 5mp cams going in each will live
steam 24x7 6.3mbps for a total of just under 800mbps of upload.

This is not a good use for the "cloud" 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT solar panels

[Zach Underwood]

One of the main reasons solar panels get trashed/removed from service is
damage. One good hail storm is a utility scale solar farm and you now have
5-10k panels to replace.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 5:47 PM Robert  wrote:

> I would have to think that the amount of waste in a solar panel is 1/1000
> that in a dead cpu board..
>
> On 7/15/22 11:11 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> OK, hyperbole, the stream of waste has hardly started.
> Not filling up the landfills.
>
> The type of waste?  Copper, Selenium?
> You can buy supplements of those at the drug store.
>
> Arsenic?  Very little in a panel.
> And Arsenic has a hormetic effect.  People are healthier if their drinking
> water contains a little vs none.  Not sure this is a significant issue.
> Like to know more.
>
> And solar panels degrade about 0.5-1% a year.  The article says many
> panels are coming to the end of their 25 year life.  Hey, I will not
> uninstall mine until they are below 50%.  Just cheap that way.
>
> I am surprised California is so flat.  Flatter than Nebraska.  This is due
> to the frequent “sky is falling” issues there.
>
> Glad to see that Diablo is getting a new lease on life.  Nuclear will
> solve everything.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, July 15, 2022 11:26 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT solar panels
>
>
>
>
> Here's a PDF of the article in today's Merc.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 7/15/2022 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> The LA times has an article about CA landfills filling up with solar
> panels.  It is behind a paywall, so I guess I won’t read it.  Sounds like
> hyperbole to me.  First, the all the solar panels in the state, by volume
> probably don’t match a weeks’ worth of municipal solid waste by volume, so
> that is hardly filling up the landfills.  Second, it hints they are toxic.
> Really?  Glass and aluminum.  Silicon dioxide is just purified glass.  Yes,
> they do have dopants in them.  And there is some solder but probably rohs
> solder.
>
> Is there any truth to this?  Secondly, why?  Are there really that many
> worn out solar panels?  I have never had one wear out to the point that I
> disposed of it.  And I have had solar panels of some sort for close to 50
> years.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Zach Underwood]

While not WISP we are having a hell of a time getting APs for wifi
We placed an order with Ruckus for over 4k APs in summer 2021, still not
filled
We cant get any ruckus APs anymore and have changed vendors for all new
installs
We are now installing Mist, Aruba, Cambium.

We had been using cisco 3750x but they are getting harder to get on the
used market.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:22 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.
>>   Like we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of
>> orders will come through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected
>> but on the short term it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of
>> this stuff" to "I hope the orders pick back up since we don't have any more
>> room to store stock".   Like I said, we're doing fine on average, it's just
>> that I'm curious what is driving this odd ordering pattern
>>
>> I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a
>> side effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from
>> other (radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't
>> get radios for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE
>> injectors for the nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people
>> have moved to "order several months at once" instead of "order as you go".
>>
>> So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Netflix

[Zach Underwood]

Do you have 5gbps of peak Netflix traffic? if not you probably would not be
able to get an onsite box
https://openconnect.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360034538352

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Years ago, getting a Netflix content server was considered a major feat
> and definitely something to strive for.
> Is this still a thing?  Are they still available?  Still worth pursuing?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Zach Underwood]

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially
>>>>>>> identify as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like
>>>>>>> Lauren Bobert elected lol :-/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you
>>>>>>> want a libertarian!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all
>>>>>>> need to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal,
>>>>>>> fiscally conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway
>>>>>>> vote)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone
>>>>>>> could use some more grit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people
>>>>>>> never affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>>>>>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker
>>>>>>> that he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I 
>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>> to teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they 
>>>>>>> are my
>>>>>>> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a
>>>>>>> noble cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in 
>>>>>>> socially
>>>>>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  
>>>>>>> Look at
>>>>>>> antifa and proud boys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>>>>>>> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are 
>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>> to advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>>>>>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance 
>>>>>>> abuse
>>>>>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
>>>>>>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around 
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
>>>>>>> judgement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the
>>>>>>> rebels fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah 
>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> like they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>>>>> via AF
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family
>>>>>>> dinners just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
>>>>>>> lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at
>>>>>>> their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half
>>>>>>> hour walk in the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Odd times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they
>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families
>>>>>>> were separate all while the kids were growing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact
>>>>>>> same vernacular.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] Chuck You out there? Need Surge cards and distys are out.

[Zach Underwood]

The newer numbers of ships waiting off of LA is miss leading, They changed
the rules last year to have them wait like 200 miles off shore. Since they
are no longer near LA the port will not count those ships as waiting.

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:47 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The supply chain issue is fascinating. Six months ago, ships were lined up
> 128-deep attempting to get into the port of Los Angeles. Yesterday's report
> is that the line is only 28 ships deep now, but that is almost 28 more than
> was typical before the pandemic. The decrease in ships from China's COVID
> lockdown has done more to reduce the backlog than anything we've done at
> this end.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/25/2022 7:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> If someone says 6 month lead times they are lying to you.  No problems
> other than distributors not buying enough stock to match demand.  No idea
> about the credit card issue, but you will pay less with a distributor.  Web
> store is really just an online catalog.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 7:51 AM, Sam Lambie 
>  wrote:
>
> 
> What's the scoop on the 800-cat6 model surge cards? I can't pay on your
> website for the last 5 in stock and all major distributors are out with up
> to 6 month lead times. Everything okay or are you suffering the same woes
> as the rest of the world?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Zach Underwood]

Calling out people does work but only if you have established relationships
and it is a relationship that both wish to keep going. It can help humanize
the problem and help the other person see the harm.

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 10:54 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could use
> some more grit.
>
> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
> affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>
> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he
> is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
> them.
>
> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at
> antifa and proud boys.
>
> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
> to advance.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>
>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse
>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them
>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
>> judgement.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels
>> fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
>> they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>
>>
>>
>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>
>>
>>
>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
>> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>
>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
>> sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
>> just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
>> the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>
>>
>>
>> Odd times
>>
>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>
>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>
>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>>
>>
>>
>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were
>> separate all while the kids were growing.
>>
>> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same
>> vernacular.
>>
>>
>>
>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

[Zach Underwood]

Scanning them into digital form brings up new problems like file format,
Are we sure we will be able to still open pdf,docx or png files in 250
years like we can still do with paper? Also even if we are sure we can open
the file format, are we sure we can still read the media it is stored on,
will the media last that long are we going to have to keep moving the files
to new storage media every few years?

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:14 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> In the Navy we had very large Halon system to combat fires in the main
> engineering spaces. If you worked in that space you actually wore a person
> sized breathing device that would last you long enough to get out of that
> space if Halon was activated. And you can bet we had a lot of training
> about it, the alarms, the time you had to get out after the alarm sounded
> before it was deployed etc.
>
>
>
> In conjunction with the idea of losing documents, we should as a society
> get better at scanning these things. It is so much easier to have multiple
> diverse digital copies of these than the physical paper. Hell the banking
> industry got out of the paper check stuff 20 years ago. Have you looked at
> old documents scanned from original from places like Ancestry.com or
> Family.searc.org? They have links to a lot of governmental document
> sources, for instance I could see scans of the military muster reports for
> family members in the revolutionary war or from the state records of
> pension payments to civil war veterans. Mind boggling that we can now see
> scans of those original documents.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 9, 2022 1:36 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage
>
>
>
> I visited one of those once.  Before going in we had to have a training
> session about the alarms and the controls.  Not sure if we were supposed to
> do something other than leave if the alarm went off.  Maybe there was a
> delay to allow us to exit before releasing the gas.  It was a serious
> deal.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 9, 2022 11:11 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage
>
>
>
> In my former years, data centers often had halon systems which would
> displace air in the entire data center. They were phased out because no air
> is just as bad for humans as it is for fires.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 2/9/2022 10:03 AM, Zach Underwood wrote:
>
> Automate the whole racking system so that you can purge oxygen out of the
> whole room?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 12:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Wow, I am sure there are lots of irreplaceable documents.  So if you were
> to
> build one, I wonder how to prevent this same problem?
> I guess structural engineering needs to presume all the racks are full of
> water.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:36 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage
>
> Here in the Chicago suburbs, a 250k sqft document storage warehouse just
> burned down.  It took them a week to put out the fire.  30' Racks
> stacked with banker boxes, when the building sprinklers hit it, the
> paper got waterlogged and got too heavy for the racks to support and
> came down, taking roof supports and building sprinkler system down with
> them.  Once the roof was opened up, the fire got lots of air, and just
> started raging.  With the roof gone, nothing was holding up the precast
> walls, etc.etc.  Basically there's no more building left.
>
> So what kind of paper documents are stored in warehouses like this? Bank
> Documents?  Law office contracts?  The Panama Papers?  I'm just curious
> what the market is for industrial scale paper storage like this.  I see
> a lot of storage places like this around the suburbs. Iron Mountain has
> a couple big facilities.  I'm guessing you are responsible for your own
> redundant copies at multiple storage warehouses?  Also seems like if
> there are just boxes of papers stacked on a shelf, there's really no
> security.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage

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Automate the whole racking system so that you can purge oxygen out of the
whole room?

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 12:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Wow, I am sure there are lots of irreplaceable documents.  So if you were
> to
> build one, I wonder how to prevent this same problem?
> I guess structural engineering needs to presume all the racks are full of
> water.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:36 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Document Storage
>
> Here in the Chicago suburbs, a 250k sqft document storage warehouse just
> burned down.  It took them a week to put out the fire.  30' Racks
> stacked with banker boxes, when the building sprinklers hit it, the
> paper got waterlogged and got too heavy for the racks to support and
> came down, taking roof supports and building sprinkler system down with
> them.  Once the roof was opened up, the fire got lots of air, and just
> started raging.  With the roof gone, nothing was holding up the precast
> walls, etc.etc.  Basically there's no more building left.
>
> So what kind of paper documents are stored in warehouses like this? Bank
> Documents?  Law office contracts?  The Panama Papers?  I'm just curious
> what the market is for industrial scale paper storage like this.  I see
> a lot of storage places like this around the suburbs. Iron Mountain has
> a couple big facilities.  I'm guessing you are responsible for your own
> redundant copies at multiple storage warehouses?  Also seems like if
> there are just boxes of papers stacked on a shelf, there's really no
> security.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

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If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/
It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat output
to match the power it is getting PV
It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.


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> I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the
> future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N.
> Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank
> through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight
> solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  (
> the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly
> configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and controller to
> a
>
> https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt
>
> planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.
>
> I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in
> advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..
>
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Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers

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The handful of off the shelf home router like Asus and TPlink that I have
used in the past all have ipv6 pd enabled by default.

those 3 router you tested are not normal routers like from bestbuy or
Walmart

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 4:58 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> People still buy their own routers?
>
> Why?
>
> Just do it for the customer.
>
>
>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
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>
>
>
> I was doing some testing on our dual stack FTTX network.
>
>
>
> I grabbed a CnPilot R201P off the shelf.  IPv6 was disabled by default.
> You had to enable it in 3 different places and even after following the
> guides on Cambium’s site the prefix delegation seems to not really work.
>
> I grabbed an AirCube…..no IPv6 support at all.  It’s supported in the
> underlying OS, but not in the GUI.  Ubiquiti support says it’s coming, but
> they’ve been saying that for 2 years +.
>
> I grabbed a Mikrotik…..works perfectly fine, but setup is beyond what any
> consumer is going to do.  If I’m quibbling, it doesn’t support stateful
> dhcp assignments from a delegated prefix.  That’s not too big of a deal.
>
>
>
> Out of 3 routers I have close at hand, 1 is a faulty implementation, 1 is
> not implemented at all, and one is too hard for normal people.
>
>
>
> So when people run out to the store and get a Netgear, Asus, or whatever
> router off the shelf is it hit-or-miss with those too?  I guess I naively
> assumed that 25 years after IPv6 was created that we’d have working
> implementations by now.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: inflation raises

[Zach Underwood]

It has been my experience that in IT if you are at the same role/same
company for more than 2 years you are probably being under paid. The only
way I have gotten more than 2-3% raise was to get a new job. I have gotten
a 2x raise just by changing jobs.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 4:35 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> So Ive never requested a raise in my 25ish years of working full time. Ive
> always considered compensations and raises to have been fair with some
> exceptions (as satisfied as you can be)
>
> I got a substantial 32 percent increase when I went to salary in 2017,
> never gave raises a great deal of thought since then. Boss did tell me that
> all id do if he gave me more money was spend it, he was right.
>
> any how, if a guy was strictly looking at inflation matching, where would
> I find the actual value? is there a standard cost of living calculator or
> is that employer/region specific?
>
>
> I find a calculator that says the dollar in 2021 is 1.13 or 12.8% in 2017.
>
> 12.8% seems like a lot to ask for, but I guess split over the 4 years
> thats only 3 percent annually.
>
> I like my salary, mainly because its an exact amount with zeros and I like
> numbers like that, it just doesnt buy the same loot it did and 12% would
> make it not zeros.
>
> Anyhow, whats the acceptable rule of thumb for cost of living increase?
> just that percent since last increase?
>
> Aside from that I never really was big on demanding more pay annually for
> doing the same job, but whats a rule of thumb for that? incentive raises.
> Im not going to do any more for more money, so theres really no net gain
> for the boss that I see. Ive never done the look for a different job then
> negotiate to stay, I just go, so its not an issue of negotiation. feels
> more like greed to me, i gues theres no shame in being greedy
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT booster shot

[Zach Underwood]

My wife got her booster yesterday at the local grocery store/pharmacy.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021, 2:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Wife and I got ours this morning.  Had to go to 4 places that were both
> giving shots and had Pfizer.  Finally Wal-Mart had it.
> I feel  invincible (at least I tell myself that)  but I still wear a mask
> when I go out and still avoid crowds.  Not much going out yet.
>
> Looking over the qualification form, almost anyone could check a box and
> get a booster.
> You don’t need to be old.  It is easier to honestly qualify if you are
> over 50 or over 65.
> And you need to have 6 months elapse since your second vaccination.
>
> But they don’t make you prove you qualify, they just want the box checked
> and the signature.
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving Virtual Machines

[Zach Underwood]

Like Steve mentioned VMware converter will work also if you have nfs share
you can mount that on both server and move the vm to nfs on inside then
move off nfs on other server then add back to inventory on new server.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021, 9:40 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> VMware converter is my fail safe. If you have vcenter server it's fairly
> painless to migrate to the new host with the guest powered off
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021, 8:19 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I have a couple stand alone ESXi servers (6.5.0).  I'm trying to move a
>> 30GB server image from one server to another.  Trying to download the VM
>> machine image file onto my desktop with VCenter, it gets about 80% done
>> and times out.  Same with trying Veeam backup tools.  It throws an error
>> after about 80%.  I'm running an SCP transfer now, but it's only running
>> at about 300Kb/s (Searching online, I guess SCP and ESXi is artificially
>> slow for some reason) so I won't know if it completes for another day.
>>
>> Is there anything that I'm missing to get the VMImage off the physical
>> hardware?  I've moved lots of VMImages before just like this, and never
>> had a problem.  The Virtual server is shut down while I'm trying to move
>> the image files.
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Re: [AFMUG] Sharing internet connection between buildings

[Zach Underwood]

Fiber or copper ethernet plug run a 6awg ground cable between breaker
panels.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 11:54 AM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> I've got a client that needs a network line installed from their house
> to another building but they are on separate power meters.  I understand
> that running a cable between two different ground points is not
> advisable.  Is there a way around this?  A wireless link isn't an option
> at this point.
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[AFMUG] DFS in DC

[Zach Underwood]

After getting more than a few hits at our DC MDU sites I looked up the TDWR
and it looks like there are 4 TDWR within range of DC. I have since
disabled DFS channels at our DC sites but wow.

 Andrews Air Force Base (ADW), MD
 Baltimore/Wash (BWI), MD
 Dulles (IAD), VA
 Washington National (DCA), MD
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Re: [AFMUG] Amazon WIFI Sharing with Neighbors

[Zach Underwood]

None of the new outlets are covering this right.
1. This is not share your wifi out, devices that connect to this network
will not access to the devices on your lan
2. This really does not affect ISP terms of services as it is not sharing
your internet connection
3. This is low bandwidth not meant for streaming multimedia
4. It is 900mhz based
5. Traffic from a sidewalk client is encrypted by the client then send to
the echo device with another layer of encryption
6. The echo device will take the packet from the 900hmz network while still
encrypted by the client and send it to amazon over ssl
7. amazon will then pass the packet to the service that the device is
connecting to. No one along the way got to see what is in the packet as it
is end to end encrypted

I am not sure what the homeowners gets out of this system. It is clear that
amazon now gets a cell phone like network without having to pay for
bandwidth, power, rf spectrum or tower space.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 3:35 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> That just sounds like a terrible idea, all around.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 2:10 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Class action suit and 9th circuit injunction inbound.
>>
>> I'm more concerned about service degradation. Maybe this work well in
>> tightly packed, thin walled MDU in urban areas, but mesh loss coupled with
>> awful rsl/snr violates ever rule of spectrum stewardship. Its fractionally
>> small per device but the electricity consumption for the across the board
>> max eirp on everything will add up to a serious carbon footprint in
>> aggregate.
>> Dont even get started on the security implications.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 1:02 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> The worst part is that it's an opt-out thing. 90% of Echo owners won't
>>> know it's happening or what to do about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 6/4/2021 10:38 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>> > I don't thinks I've seen this discussed here yet.  Doesn't this break
>>> > every 'Don't share with your neighbors' rule in Every ISP's TOS?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002590964/your-amazon-echo-will-share-your-wi-fi-network-with-neighbors-unless-you-opt-out
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Nintendo Switch Port Forwarding

[Zach Underwood]

DMZ does not break the internet access for all other devices behind the
NAT. DMZ ip is where the unsolicited packets will be forward. Solicited
packets with a matching NAT state will be forwarded on to the original
host.

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:07 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Except DMZ only forwards the ports not being used for other connections.
>
> This breaks the Internet for all devices except the one you forwarded
> ports to.
>
>
> On 4/20/2021 11:30 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Isn't that basically the same thing a DMZ does?
>
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:18 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Oddly enough here's "UI-Team" on the Ubiquiti forum proposing the same
>> thing as a solution for a "DMZ"
>>
>>
>> https://community.ui.com/questions/UFiber-Loco-NanoG-No-DMZ/1f7720eb-f2fe-4af3-b312-1226de3a8d0b
>>
>> Insane.
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2021 10:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, but apparently doesn't work when the router is a UFiber ONU.
>>
>> I'm more amused at Nintendo's suggestion.  One of our tech support guys
>> actually tried it and it broke the customer's internet on all devices that
>> weren't the switch.
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2021 8:57 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>
>> Consoles should never need port forwarding. Enable UPnP on the router and
>> you're done.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 1:46 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> Trying to help a guy with a Nintendo Switch issue and encountered this
>>> official tech support info:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/22272/~/how-to-set-up-a-routers-port-forwarding-for-a-nintendo-switch-console
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Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Zach Underwood]

After the latest zero days that MS got word of in January and did not patch
in a month later onsite exchange is not looking the best.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 1:48 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its
> documents, email server , video conferencing, project management  and other
> applications from on prem to cloud based.
>
> Which one do you choose?
>
> One will cost more than the other for sure.
> One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote
> manage computers
> One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off.
> One is more reliable than the other.
> One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in
> government and alphabet agencies).
> One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people.  IE: more
> accessible / user friendly
> One offers a more granular experience for more technical people.
> One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software
> operating systems
>
>
> Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical half
> which are not as technical.
>
> Which route would you go?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's poor kids and streaming video

[Zach Underwood]

I think Plex handle this really well. When you pause something it will
freeze the screen when some a button bar on the lower 1/3 then after a few
sec the button bar goes away. Then if you press down button will bring up a
screen overlay that will have cast info and description info.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 6:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I think it was the second star wars movie.  Princess Leia was a prisoner
> of
> the big fat things.  I was pretty sure I saw a nipple when she was
> struggling.  Later we rented the VHS and I stepped through it.  Pretty
> sure
> there was a nipple there.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 3:53 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Today's poor kids and streaming video
>
> Am I the only one that's annoyed when you pause a video stream, they dim
> the screen and pop up other information.  How are you supposed to pause
> for the juicy bits?  And what about stepping through a scene frame by
> frame?  Today's poor kids probably have no concept of stepping through
> frame by frame.I mean at least the 2000's kids could pause the clear
> frame on the DVD and not having all the VHS tracking lines on the screen
> like I grew up with.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT before and after

[Zach Underwood]

What is the reason for wanting such a low psi rating? It is to make it
easier to remove in the future?

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 6:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> The concrete strength ranged between 1200 and 2000 psi.  I tested 8
> cylinders of two ages and 4 mixes today.
> Shooting for 1500 to 1650 psi.  So I think I have it bracketed.
>
> Turns out the fancy additives we tried were no better than simple calcium
> chloride.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 24, 2021 3:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT before and after
>
> How much psi?
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 3:29 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Cylinder test day
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] DDOS on cgnat

[Zach Underwood]

Yes most of the time anything over 1-2gbps of clean traffic should not use
the GRE tunnel and insisted would use some other form of connection like
dark fiber, cross connect or wave. By not using the GRE tunnel you also
dont have the problems with IPSEC tunnel or other mtu problems.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 10:26 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Would the tunnel problems be solved if you peered with them in a
> datacenter?
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Zach Underwood" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 20, 2021 8:23:43 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DDOS on cgnat
>
> Remote ddos protection has a few points. The below applies to ddos
> protection that can not normally be in the traffic flow.
> 1. It can break ipsec tunnels that where setup prior to the mitigation. We
> stay this alot at arbor, it is do to when the ipsec tunnel comes up the mtu
> becomes fixed. When you swing the traffic into mitigation the new mtu end
> to end is now smaller then when the tunnel came up. We would tell client to
> hard set a smaller mtu like 14xx something in the ipsec so the tunnels
> would stay up during the mitigation. Otherwise the tunnel would have to be
> bounced to come back up.
> 2. To bring the clean traffic back into the network the most common is gre
> tunnels but this is really limited to 1-2 gbps on most platforms
> 3. The good remote ddos protection is very expensive
> 4. You will need a min of a /24 that you have permission to allow another
> AS to announce the prefix
> 5. Most service base pricing on gbps of clean traffic coming off the
> backend.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 8:50 PM Dev  wrote:
>
>> If you do BGP you can send it to a black hole, otherwise if the link is
>> truly saturated and unusable, you’ll probably be talking upstream to
>> someone who can help. Later you can buy proxy scrubbing services or get an
>> Arbor box, but that probably doesn’t help you now.
>>
>> > On Jan 20, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Any ideas how to mitigate DDOS attacks when you’re on CGNAT with maybe
>> 100 people behind one IP concentrator?
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Re: [AFMUG] DDOS on cgnat

[Zach Underwood]

Remote ddos protection has a few points. The below applies to ddos
protection that can not normally be in the traffic flow.
1. It can break ipsec tunnels that where setup prior to the mitigation. We
stay this alot at arbor, it is do to when the ipsec tunnel comes up the mtu
becomes fixed. When you swing the traffic into mitigation the new mtu end
to end is now smaller then when the tunnel came up. We would tell client to
hard set a smaller mtu like 14xx something in the ipsec so the tunnels
would stay up during the mitigation. Otherwise the tunnel would have to be
bounced to come back up.
2. To bring the clean traffic back into the network the most common is gre
tunnels but this is really limited to 1-2 gbps on most platforms
3. The good remote ddos protection is very expensive
4. You will need a min of a /24 that you have permission to allow another
AS to announce the prefix
5. Most service base pricing on gbps of clean traffic coming off the
backend.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 8:50 PM Dev  wrote:

> If you do BGP you can send it to a black hole, otherwise if the link is
> truly saturated and unusable, you’ll probably be talking upstream to
> someone who can help. Later you can buy proxy scrubbing services or get an
> Arbor box, but that probably doesn’t help you now.
>
> > On Jan 20, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> >
> > Any ideas how to mitigate DDOS attacks when you’re on CGNAT with maybe
> 100 people behind one IP concentrator?
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Re: [AFMUG] DDOS on cgnat

[Zach Underwood]

In that case you really only have one option announce a black hole to your
upstreams and complete the ddos attack.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 8:20 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> In this case they overwhelmed our circuit... and it was destined to the
> CGNAT box NAT IP.
>
> On 1/20/21 7:39 PM, Zach Underwood wrote:
> > If you have enough to bring the good and attack traffic into your
> > network the arbor boxes can filter out all of the attack traffic allow
> > the ip and it's traffic to stay online.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:28 PM Chuck McCown via AF  > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
> >
> > What does that do?
> >
> >     Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 20, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Zach Underwood  >> <mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >> If you have bandwidth send all of the traffic into an arbor box. I
> >> have seen them do some amazing things.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Disclaimer I use to for work for arbor/netscout but I am no longer
> >> there.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 6:56 PM Matt Hoppes
> >>  >> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Any ideas how to mitigate DDOS attacks when you’re on CGNAT
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Re: [AFMUG] DDOS on cgnat

[Zach Underwood]

If you have enough to bring the good and attack traffic into your network
the arbor boxes can filter out all of the attack traffic allow the ip and
it's traffic to stay online.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:28 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> What does that do?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 20, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Zach Underwood  wrote:
>
> 
> If you have bandwidth send all of the traffic into an arbor box. I have
> seen them do some amazing things.
>
>
>
> Disclaimer I use to for work for arbor/netscout but I am no longer there.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 6:56 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Any ideas how to mitigate DDOS attacks when you’re on CGNAT with maybe
>> 100 people behind one IP concentrator?
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Re: [AFMUG] DDOS on cgnat

[Zach Underwood]

If you have bandwidth send all of the traffic into an arbor box. I have
seen them do some amazing things.



Disclaimer I use to for work for arbor/netscout but I am no longer there.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 6:56 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> Any ideas how to mitigate DDOS attacks when you’re on CGNAT with maybe 100
> people behind one IP concentrator?
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

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Iotawatt device is a spin out of https://openenergymonitor.org/ with works
with there emoncms (you can run on-site for free or cloud for a fee)which
is how I use it. The iotawatt device also supports infuxdb so you can
connect something like home assistant or grifana.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 7:44 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I know Forrest has got the DC shunts, but I don't think he has anything
> for AC or Clamp on.
>
> The Iotawatt looks interesting.  How hard was it to setup?  Do you just
> create a cloud account and it automagically sends everything there?
>
> On 12/16/2020 6:21 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Forrest... has anyone seen forrest?
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:05 PM Zach Underwood  wrote:
>
>> While it does not support snmp they may work https://iotawatt.com/# I
>> use it with infuxdb and home assistant. It will support up to 14 ct clamps.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:12 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current
>>> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and
>>> read them via SNMP.
>>>
>>> I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their
>>> products seem to be more for mains applications, not individual
>>> circuits.  I don't really even care about voltage or power or metering.
>>> Really what I want to see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and
>>> off.  The unit isn't smart enough to tell me how often it runs, and it
>>> doesn't make enough extra load on the mains meter to see it above the
>>> normal draw.  So I want to clamp a set of meters right on that circuit
>>> so I can see when it cycles the compressor on and off.
>>>
>>> I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and
>>> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone
>>> else can do it on the cheap too.
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[Zach Underwood]

While it does not support snmp they may work https://iotawatt.com/# I use
it with infuxdb and home assistant. It will support up to 14 ct clamps.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:12 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current
> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and
> read them via SNMP.
>
> I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their
> products seem to be more for mains applications, not individual
> circuits.  I don't really even care about voltage or power or metering.
> Really what I want to see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and
> off.  The unit isn't smart enough to tell me how often it runs, and it
> doesn't make enough extra load on the mains meter to see it above the
> normal draw.  So I want to clamp a set of meters right on that circuit
> so I can see when it cycles the compressor on and off.
>
> I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and
> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone
> else can do it on the cheap too.
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Re: [AFMUG] Capstan Winch

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Why not just use a fisk or figure 8 for lowing the heavy loads?

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 7:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> That’s the most popular one.  No, it does not have powered reverse, you
> take a turn or two off the capstan and let it slip.  And yes it is slow,
> that is due to the gearing and goes with the load rating.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hopkins
> *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 2:10 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Capstan Winch
>
>
>
> I just bought a new winch (
> https://www.gmesupply.com/ab-chance-3000-lb-capacity-capstan-hoist) for
> tower work but to my surprise it does not have reverse, and it's painfully
> slow. Our old My-Te had reverse, (
> https://myte.com/winch-hoist-models/product/300AB/?categories=3) I just
> thought it was a standard thing. It is really handy for lowering loads and
> getting them in just the right position. Our My-Te winch is 15 years old
> and has certainly paid for itself but it is due to be replaced. I would
> just get another My-Te but I would like a smidge more load capacity. What
> winch do you use? Any recommendations?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Sad news

[Zach Underwood]

Steve what you are thinking about is related to the deep space network. The
antenna used to connect with Voyager located in Australia had been offline
for most of 2020 due to upgrade. Arecibo is not used to communicate with
any space craft.
https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/03/voyager_2_back_online/

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 8:04 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> There was some system that just got back in communication from a repair to
> this, dont recall what it was. I dont understand why these things dont get
> rebuilt with current technology when they suffer catastrophic failures.
> Maybe starlink will buy it so they can talk to the space car
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 11:44 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I've been following that story. A big shame. Maybe they will rebuild it?
>> I have not seen much information on how important it has been.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/20/2020 9:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://physicsworld.com/a/arecibo-observatory-will-be-decommissioned-says-us-national-science-foundation/
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Re: [AFMUG] space junk

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Here are some of the variables that will affect deorbit Altitude, mass,
speed and surface area. At the lower orbit aka 500km where starlink is
there is still some atmosphere so they are are getting air resistance and
are slowing down. As they slow down they get more air resistance until they
fully deorbit. If I remember right the starlink satellites need boosting
nearly  constantly or they will deorbit and will deorbit in less than 5
years without the active management. It has been also said the satellites
have been designed so completely break up during the orbit so that nothing
reaches the ground.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 5:41 PM Robert  wrote:

> I think it's about how much delta v required to de-orbit vs. park.   For
> LEO sats the DV is smaller to deorbit vs. park.  For sync sats, it's just
> about getting it above the very valuable sync orbit.  So a small increase
> in orbit is not much fuel.   For lower than sync, it's a lot of unused
> space and a long way down to deorbit so they usually stay where they are.
>
> On 11/3/20 2:33 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I think the best practice right now is to save enough propellant to boost
> your old satellite into a parking orbit.  The idea is we spent a grillion
> dollars putting it up there, and someday we might harvest old satellites
> for material rather than launching new stuff for a grillion more.  You'd
> have to burn propellant to de-orbit too, so if you're going to keep extra
> gas on the ship then you might as well use it to park instead.
>
> If Elon Musk wants to waste his own grillions by letting them burn up in
> the atmosphere, then he can do that.
> On 11/3/2020 4:28 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> is there any accountability for debris left in space? like littering
> tickets? why hasnt somebody like elon musk made a space roomba that just
> goes and pings each item out of orbit back into the atmosphere since we
> know where it all is
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:04 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> When you zoom in on the map the objects move in real time.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:47 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> What about the moon Nazis?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 12:21 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> I have this vague recollection that we currently can't even track all the
>> space junk. There was some lower limit, in the order of inches(?), below
>> which there isn't enough of a radar(?) return.
>>
>> All I want to know, how long until Kessler syndrome? :)
>>
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Cameron Crum" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> Just because I know a bunch of you guys are interested in space stuff.
>> Check
>> out this really cool site that shows every object in orbit around our
>> planet.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] space junk

[Zach Underwood]

When you start looking at what space junk is up there vast amount of it
will be traced back to the government of USA and Russia/USSR

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 4:29 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> is there any accountability for debris left in space? like littering
> tickets? why hasnt somebody like elon musk made a space roomba that just
> goes and pings each item out of orbit back into the atmosphere since we
> know where it all is
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:04 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> When you zoom in on the map the objects move in real time.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:47 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> What about the moon Nazis?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 12:21 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> I have this vague recollection that we currently can't even track all the
>> space junk. There was some lower limit, in the order of inches(?), below
>> which there isn't enough of a radar(?) return.
>>
>> All I want to know, how long until Kessler syndrome? :)
>>
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Cameron Crum" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> Just because I know a bunch of you guys are interested in space stuff.
>> Check
>> out this really cool site that shows every object in orbit around our
>> planet.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting

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hing going around thats causing chest xrays
> to look exactly like covid damage, but no testing method is identifying the
> presence of covid or history of its presence, thats concerning, keep that
> in mind when relaxing policies. Its flu season, and given the disruption of
> interaction, this years flu vaccine is not going to very effective, its
> worth keeping covid policies in place regardless to not have staff out with
> a wild flu.
>
>
>
> And remember, the media frenzy is only just beginning its 8 days of hell,
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> We are so bad we were featured on ABC News people just want to fucking
> party...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 1:25 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Numbers here in Illinois are bad again today, all we can say is “at least
> we’re not Wisconsin”.
>
>
>
> I no longer roll my eyes at my daughter choosing to live in Maine, where
> “social distancing” was already the norm.  (bike photo was actually from a
> ride a month ago up to the Quebec border)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
>
>
>
> On Thursday our techs had to stop wiring up panel and stuff because two
> electricians would wear masks...I wasn't there , I would have made them
> step outside ...our boss complained to water utilities because we are on a
> schedule with several people.
>
> The control room is small.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:19 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> We are doing normal installs for now. Watching our local county info in
> internal tracking systems I developed.
>
>
>
> So far we’re staying fairly isolated. If things severely spike this winter
> we will shut down installs again.
>
>
>
> At this point we are not masking nor requiring customers to wear masks -
> but we do ask customers to stay 10feet away from techs. This point will be
> driven home even more as we go into the winter months.
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> So 8 months in, numbers are getting worse not better, and despite what
> anybody says the end is not just around the corner.
>
>
>
> I remember at the beginning some WISPs were not sending techs inside
> customer homes, maybe pushing a cable through the wall and having the
> customer plug in the POE and router.  Is anybody still declining to do
> inside work?  Installs, repairs?
>
>
>
> Also, what about the FCC requested “pledge” not to disconnect customers
> for nonpayment during the pandemic.  How many are still doing that, and
> assuming things won’t be back to “normal” until well into 2021 or even
> 2022, how long do you plan to continue?  Are you taking any additional
> steps, like downgrading their speed or declining to do upgrades, or
> requiring proof of hardship?  I know this wasn’t mandatory, but if we did
> it voluntarily, should there be a time limit?  And if at that point they
> are 6-12 months behind, do we write that off rather than expecting they
> will catch up?
>
>
>
> It’s also interesting I see on cable company forums issues about mask
> refusal, both by techs and customers, and even of customers who have Covid
> but still want their Internet fixed.  I hesitate to bring this up because
> it has become a political or “freedom” issue in a way that seatbelts or
> smoking or wearing a yellow vest at a grain elevator or even picking up
> after your dog isn’t, and I’m tired of being caught in the middle.  But
> take the extreme case of a customer who recently tested positive or the
> tech gets there and strongly suspects someone in the house is contagious,
> is this really happening, and what is your response?  At the beginning I
> would ask when setting up every appointment, has anyone in the house tested
> positive, but I’ve come to believe that’s pointless.
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Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

[Zach Underwood]

cted to different
> >> radio chains.  So that is yet another sort of variation.
> >>
> >> One thing that made the analog beamforming systems achieve better
> >> coverage was that the FCC allowed (maybe they still do?) higher EIRP
> >> from this specific type of system.  So it had physically more power
> >> and punch to it.
> >>
> >> I am personally not aware of any companies actively developing analog
> >> beamforming systems like those older ones.  It gets significantly
> >> more difficult for those designs to support the sort of advanced macs
> >> that came after 11n - 11ax supports MU-MIMO and OFDMA for example
> >> which would be challenging to support with an analog beamformer.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/13/20, 3:42 PM, "AF on behalf of Jeremy Grip"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>  A few years ago, when the electrical utility trashed the 900
> >> spectrum with “smart” meters, I did a forklift upgrade of a bunch of
> >> 900 PtMP with some old Wavion beamforming sectors talking to ubnt
> >> clients in 2.4. I was surprised that I got just about the same
> >> coverage that I had with 900 (Trango) and of course better
> >> throughput. Those original Wavions were b/g; I’ve since found a
> >> couple of .11n versions from the brief last gasp of Alvarion (R.I.P.)
> >> that did even better. Anybody know if anybody’s currently producing a
> >> beamforming 2.4 sector that will talk to standards compliant 11n radios?
> >>
> >>  I’m assuming that the beamforming saved this location—one tower
> >> plus a couple of other little nodes in a little spread out village in
> >> the middle of a dense National Forest of mixed tall evergreens and
> >> hardwood. I just don’t see how 2.4 could match the old 900
> >> penetration otherwise, but maybe somebody can enlighten me. It
> >> wouldn’t be worth it to try and change out all the clients--more than
> >> a few are 50’+ up in trees. If there was an ePMP medusa in 2.4 and
> >> that sex-change from ubnt to ePMP worked it would be worth a try, but
> >> as far as I know Cambium's just doing medusa in 5GHz.
> >>
> >>  With my other hand I'm working to see FTTH across the region and
> >> it looks like it'll probably happen within the next five or six
> >> years, so any serious wireless investment here doesn't make any sense.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Zach Underwood]

Adam, That was talked about here as a great replacement for prime rated
diesel generators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gtog_gOaGQ=0s

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:30 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Interesting.  I'd heard of tractor trailer sized units.  It was supposed
> to be a replacement for the big diesels at remote places.
>
>
> On 8/27/2020 1:18 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>
> I've seen some interesting reports on what they're calling micro nuclear
> generators. Smaller than a car.
>
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> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:07 AM  wrote:
>
>> Party pooper.
>>
>> *From:* castarritt
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:56 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder
>>
>> I don't think nuke plants are the kind of thing you want to design by
>> rapid iteration through exploding prototypes.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the price plummet?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth / Usage

[Zach Underwood]

It is mostly like a call of duty update, new free to play game dropped
today.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:27 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> One province over, usage for us is on the high side but I wouldn't call it
> unusual. Some big game updates or a popular new series on Netflix probably.
>
> I thought that Silo was disappearing into the Xplornet fold? Andreas, you
> need to buy and retire to an island on the lakes.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 8:15 PM Andreas Wiatowski  wrote:
>
>> Anyone seen an unusual spike in usage tonight?  We are using almost 1Gbps
>> more than usual.  Just seeing if I’m the only one… It’s really strange.
>> Internet.​
>> ​Phone.
>> ​TV.
>> Andreas Wiatowski
>> CEO/Founder
>> Silo
>> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600>
>>  |
>> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>> *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring

[Zach Underwood]

I would guess that money and the status of working for spacex would help
with that. Last I heard they get a ton of job applications for each posting
so then it becomes filtering for the best.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 12:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Some people are not “morning people”.  Maybe schedule interviews in the
> afternoon.  On the other hand, if the job involves showing up at 8am, maybe
> this is the first test and it is working.  The first step to success is
> showing up.
>
>
>
> Elon Musk reportedly called a 1am Sunday meeting and then hired 250 people
> over the next 48 hours.  What’s his secret?
>
>
> https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24982/20200309/elon-musk-s-1am-sunday-morning-meeting-what-does-it-say-about-his-leadership.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:45 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring
>
>
>
> #5 showed up.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:37 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hiring
>
>
>
> 3% unemployment...
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> CTIconnect
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I find it astounding that people would not show up for a scheduled
> interview.  Am I that far behind the times?  Even if this was “social
> distancing” due to coronavirus, I’d think people would call/email/text to
> cancel.
>
>
>
> How are you setting up the interviews?  Phone?  Email?  Online through
> some recruiting site?
>
>
>
> I once showed up for an interview an hour late due to the time change.
> Amazingly, I got the job, you’d think that would have disqualified me.  In
> my defense, that was in olden times before smartphones and when people wore
> watches and had to actually change the time.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:20 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Hiring
>
>
>
> We are doing another round of hiring.  Had 12 interviews scheduled today.
> So far 0 out of the first 4 have shown up.  Last time we did this the ratio
> was 1 out of 5.  So the next one is absolutely positively guaranteed to
> show
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Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

[Zach Underwood]

It really is free, no real downside. It is fully automated system, you can
get/renew a cert in sec.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 4:05 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Always a catch. Theres got to be some underlying scam
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 3:00 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> No catch anymore. Initially, its downfall was that the CA wasn't
>> universally supported. It basically is now.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 21, 2020 2:54:10 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions
>>
>> I hate apple
>> apple sucks
>> garbage
>>
>> What is the catch with letsencrypt? Nothing is free
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:53 PM Dan Spitler  wrote:
>>
>>> Warning about long-term paid certs: Apple is going to start rejecting
>>> certs with expiration dates longer than 13 months:
>>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/apple_shorter_cert_lifetime/
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I spend more time baby sitting real SSL certs (every two years at
>>>> renewal) than Let's Encrypt...  and I have more Let's Encrypt.
>>>>
>>>> If there's a clear, reliable way of doing Let's Encrypt...  do it.
>>>>
>>>> If not, use a paid cert until someone else gets the bruises getting
>>>> Let's Encrypt to work solidly on whatever you're doing with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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>>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 21, 2020 2:04:55 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions
>>>>
>>>> I don't have experience with letsencrypt but a webserver software
>>>> mailing
>>>> list I'm on has constant traffic about problems with certs not
>>>> renewing.  It
>>>> may be specific to that software, but my gut tells me if this is
>>>> something
>>>> mission critical and you don't want to monitor it for problems, just
>>>> pay a
>>>> regular cert authority.  It's not a trivial amount of money, but not
>>>> Bloomberg money either.  I have too many things demanding my time
>>>> already
>>>> without having to babysit website certs.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:41 PM
>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions
>>>>
>>>> On 2/21/20 11:28 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
>>>> > Mark,
>>>> >
>>>> >Look at letsencrypt.org.  They have free certs for personal and
>>>> > minor use.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone can use Let's Encrypt for anything. Personal, commercial, for
>>>> profit,
>>>> not for profit, whatever you imagine.
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Charter - Terrible Peering

[Zach Underwood]

I have charter at my house and have seen may times city names that are no
way in the path.  If you look at the latency you can see that it really
does not take the path the city names implies. Tldr, charter router host
names can be wrong.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 9:32 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> This has to be some of the worst peering I’ve ever seen. Does anyone know
> why they would be routing like this?
>
> From the Outer Banks:
>
> Traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max.
>
> 1 192.168.4.1 (192.168.4.1) time=7 ms
>
> 2 71-11-89-73.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com (71.11.89.73) time=7 ms
>
> 3 150.181.7.224 (150.181.7.224) time=4 ms
>
> 4 sar01gnvlsc-tge-0-2-0-2.gnvl.sc.charter.com (96.34.65.15) time=8 ms
>
> 5 dtr01hlrgnc-gbe-4-15.hlrg.nc.charter.com (96.34.64.172) time=11 ms
>
> 6 acr01mgtnnc-vln-492.mgtn.nc.charter.com (96.34.67.202) time=25 ms
>
> 7 bbr01gnvlsc-bue-3.gnvl.sc.charter.com (96.34.2.112) time=32 ms
>
> 8 bbr01chcgil-tge-0-1-0-6.chcg.il.charter.com (96.34.0.135) time=35 ms
>
> 9 bbr01chcgil-tge-0-3-0-8.chcg.il.charter.com (96.34.0.184) time=39 ms
>
> 10 prr01snjsca-tge-0-0-0-1.snjs.ca.charter.com (96.34.3.35) time=45 ms
>
> 11 96-34-150-59.static.unas.mo.charter.com (96.34.150.59) time=37 ms
>
> 12 209.85.251.13 (209.85.251.13) time=39 ms
>
> 13 209.85.241.153 (209.85.241.153) time=35 ms
>
> 14 dns.google (8.8.8.8) time=36 ms
>
> *** Traceroute at destination ***
>
> Traceroute to google.com (216.239.32.117), 64 hops max.
>
> 1 192.168.4.1 (192.168.4.1) time=2 ms
>
> 2 71-11-89-73.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com (71.11.89.73) time=2 ms
>
> 3 150.181.7.224 (150.181.7.224) time=4 ms
>
> 4 sar01gnvlsc-tge-0-2-0-2.gnvl.sc.charter.com (96.34.65.15) time=5 ms
>
> 5 dtr01hlrgnc-gbe-4-15.hlrg.nc.charter.com (96.34.64.172) time=5 ms
>
> 6 acr01mgtnnc-vln-492.mgtn.nc.charter.com (96.34.67.202) time=24 ms
>
> 7 bbr01gnvlsc-bue-3.gnvl.sc.charter.com (96.34.2.112) time=28 ms
>
> 8 bbr01chcgil-tge-0-1-0-6.chcg.il.charter.com (96.34.0.135) time=28 ms
>
> 9 bbr01chcgil-tge-0-3-0-8.chcg.il.charter.com (96.34.0.184) time=41 ms
>
> 10 prr01snjsca-tge-0-0-0-1.snjs.ca.charter.com (96.34.3.35) time=33 ms
>
> 11 74.125.51.142 (74.125.51.142) time=35 ms
>
> 12 108.170.225.164 (108.170.225.164) time=36 ms
>
> 13 108.170.225.109 (108.170.225.109) time=38 ms
>
> 14 216.239.32.117 (216.239.32.117) time=35 ms
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

[Zach Underwood]

Matt everytime I see your name doing anything with ipv6 I cringe, get your
head out of the sand and learn something about ipv6. The longer you keep at
this hating on ipv6 the stupider you look. ipv6 has been around for a while
and is not going anywhere.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:29 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> This is true, but that's why you acquire other ISPs, purchase IPv4 on
> the auction block, etc.And once that runs out, CGNAT is really not
> all that complicated or expensive to deploy compared to deploying
> IPv6 which is still very much a "beta" protocol.
>
> There are client devices that are broken and don't properly handle IPv6,
> there is confusion and argument over how best to deploy IPv6, large
> sections of the Internet still don't support IPv6, the the way IPv6 was
> designed and implemented screams of "Engineers" vs "Usability".
>
> On 10/23/19 11:25 AM, dave wrote:
> > Meh, good luck with that LOL.. We'll be seeing you on the other side
> > Its not that ipv4 is going away at all its that you can just walk into
> > the arin store and purchase large public block for your use for much
> longer.
> > IPV6 is plentiful and a green pasture of natural selection.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/23/19 8:01 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> FUD ALERT!  FUD ALERT!   IPv4 is not going away any time soon, it's
> >> not practical. There are too many things that rely on IPv4. And
> >> until I can run only one stack I'm not planning to mass deploy IPv6.
> >> We have an IPv6 deployment plan, but there is minimal benefit in dual
> >> stacking and no financial gain until we need to.
> >>
> >> Right now there is a negative benefit for deploying IPv6 (overhead,
> >> management, no ROI, can't bill customers for static IPs).
> >>
> >> We have a plan, but until it's needed we don't plan to roll  it out.
> >> IPv4 will be here for many years to come.
> >>
> >> On 10/23/19 8:54 AM, dave via AF wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah.. No..
> >>> They are more up to date than you think just not ahead
> >>>
> >>> On 10/21/19 2:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>>> yeah, no.
> >>>> .gov agencies still run dos
> >>>> 10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized enough
> >>>> to shut down ip4 access
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF
> >>>> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years, if the
> >>>> .govs shutdown access via v4 for security reasons.  No more FCC/
> >>>> IRS or any .GOV unless over v6.  Note that the current plan is 2-3
> >>>> years, I have given it an extra year for measure!
> >>>>
> >>>> V6 should be deployed NOW.   Not later, when you HAVE TO. Then
> >>>> you will be making mistakes etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> *LTI-Full_175px*
> >>>>
> >>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> >>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium
> >>>> ePMP Certified *
> >>>>
> >>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
> >>>>
> >>>> *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> >>>>
> >>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
> >>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
> >>>>
> >>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
> >>>> <http://www.towercoverage.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:* AF  >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM
> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space
> >>>>
> >>>> NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space
> >>>>
> >>>> IP6 is still years out for us
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Adam Moffett  >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If you're not doing it already, star

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Camper for sale

[Zach Underwood]

I would not count on it. This was from a few weeks ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/09/us/bank-deposit-error-couple-spending-spree-trnd/index.html

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:30 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

>
>
> https://bhdg.myshopify.com/collections/best-sellers/products/camper-car-with-super-large-expansion-space?fbclid=IwAR1CxRO6q8IizPTsgInEMUCEeZf1ZDSwRfOJlaoZY5kkM5tp-EMKV1Ii8aA
>
> If you click that link you'll see a camper on sale for $187.00. Since
> the full retail price is over $19k, I'm guessing the sale was supposed
> to be $18,700.  I went ahead and ordered it just for the hell of it and
> they charged my card $187, and sent me a confirmation email saying
> they'll let me know when it ships.
>
> Is there a law or court precedent on something like this?  If a $19k
> camper shows up at my door, am I legally obligated to say something to
> them since it obviously couldn't be the correct price?
>
> By the way, if it actually shows up then I'm going to offer you all a
> brand new pop-up camper for a screaming good price at the next Friday
> for-sale day.
>
> -Adam
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Zach Underwood]

And with them replaced birds that often it allows them place newer
generation birds faster than the geostate stationary companies.

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 8:44 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

>
> Only 10 launches a year on F9.  Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1 (assume 5x
> reuse & refurb cost).  So 1/4b per year in launch costs.  Assume another
> 1/4b for the birds and 1/4b for ops.  You've got a world wide network for
> 3/4b per year.
>
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> >
> > Ek. That’s rather expensive.
> >
> >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they will have
> to launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >>> On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >>> How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites?  Or do you just
> let one fail and send a new one up?
> >>>
>  On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
> 
>  If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...
> 
> > On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

[Zach Underwood]

If there was a GFCI outlet or breaker it would only pass mili-amp range
before tripping. For those that don't know a GFCI outlet/breaker watch the
power leaving on the hot side and the power coming back on the neutral
side. If they don't match(with in mili-amp range) then it will assume power
is leaking some where and trip.

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 6:36 PM  So, I reverse engineered the controller, found a main feed cap that didn't
> have enough capacitance to power the controller, replaced that, then found
> the op amp was goofy, replaced that (it was actually in a socket).
>
> Installed everything, hot water.  Very happy.  In the process while wiring
> up the triacs to the heating elements, got in a hurry and did it without
> powering it down.
>
> First time in my life that I blew a circuit breaker from the current that
> went through my hand!  I presume the circuit breaker is more sensitive to
> currents to ground but I am pretty sure my hand did not conduct 20 amps.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 9:09 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit
>
> On 12/4/18 8:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > It is 18 kW.  Two runs of some pretty large wire.  Maybe #8.
> > Perhaps a pair of 40 amp circuits I think.
>
>
> Yeah that's like 80 amps at 240V. 8 AWG would be correct for 40 amp
> circuits.
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Re: [AFMUG] Can Anyone service this address?

[Zach Underwood]

This looks like the same guy
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Business-Talk/Rural-Broadband-Internet-Solution-40-Mins-From-Nashville/m-p/2595783#M55700

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 11:07 AM Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Can anyone get internet service to this Guy?
>
>
> 7849 Barnhill Rd, Primm Springs TN 38476
>
>
> direct email me for details if you can
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Low Voltage Wire Splicing

[Zach Underwood]

SV seeker has been raving about this.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C3NBTJ9/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8=1=sl1=svseeker-20=da77188e23455ea0e18de36389777d38=en_US

In here there is a video about him using them
https://youtu.be/VopJR_5Ib18

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 1:54 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I've always had good luck with the gel-filled butt splice connectors like
> these
> <http://www.l-com.com/ethernet-uy-butt-splice-2-wire-connector-gel-filled-100-pack>.
> They go on quick, and are reliable.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/18/2018 10:46 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> Looking to splice some thin, low voltage wires on my boat. (Think 22
> gauge) While the connectors will be protected from the weather, they will
> be outdoors. What does everyone recommend?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] AC Current Monitoring

[Zach Underwood]

I am using  openenergymonitor.org and here is how to use it in the USA and
240volt split phase https://guide.openenergymonitor.org/setup/north-america/
I think it samples every 5-10 sec. It can be tired into home-assistant.io.

On Sat, Sep 1, 2018, 10:06 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> It's been a few years since UBNT Killed the MFI line, I still have
> several MFI units running nicely.  However I'm in the need to monitor
> some more AC current levels.  Preferably with clamp meters to go around
> the wires in the breaker panel.  Has anything else entered this space
> that is cheap and easy?  I don't need high precision, just a nice graph
> output of current draw over time.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Pico Station Replacement

[Zach Underwood]

Unifi or airmax?
Unifi would be mesh outdoor.
Airmax, they had a beta of a bullet with AC.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 10:29 AM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Any cheap, outdoor replacements for the Pico Station omni?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 3,000 Watt 120 volt UPS for external batteries only...

[Zach Underwood]

I have the Aims 48v 2000watt are backup power for my house. It has all of
LED lighting, home network gear, desktop, tv, server and refrigerator
connected. When it switches from bypass(grid) to inverter it is fast enough
that the desktop and server stay online. One of the reasons I picked the
Aims was it's high surge rating so it has no problem when a motor starts
up(like a  refrigerator). I did test a 20amp(120v) table saw and it manage
to power it up and rip a board.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 3:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Accidentally clicked on send before I was ready...  was trying to add the
> following information:
>
> I don't know your budget, but one option is an inverter/charger like used
> in the solar industry.   And like I just linked to, although I just
> realized I picked a 12V one instead of a 48V one.   They have 48V versions
> as well, but for some reason can't find a 3000 watt one, just a 2000 and a
> 1 one.   Aims seems to be pretty well respected, although please do
> your research before you chose this brand on my recommendation - I don't
> have enough first hand experience to be sure of this particular
> recommendation.
>
> Many of the solar vendors which do charge controllers also do
> inverter/chargers which include both the charging and inverter function in
> one box.  They're designed to run from shore/generator power in RV and
> off-grid applications, so the inverter is going to be pretty much designed
> for continous duty.   Some are way expensive, some are less so.
>
> If you want a real ups instead of an inverter, then I'm not sure where you
> send you.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 1:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Power-Inverter-Charger-9000W-Surge/dp
>> /B00NZCRFRQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1529998216=8-3
>> s=aims+power+3000
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 6:37 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know of a 120 Volt 3,000 watt (or close, 2,700 watts or more
>>> is needed) UPS that comes with no batteries where we can add a string of
>>> 155AH batteries (Preferably a 48 Volt DC UPS so we can add 4 batteries).
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