Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-21 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Looks like an oportunity to take the SiteMonitor 3 and PDU and build something 
for the tower top.




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From: AF  on behalf of Forrest Christian (List 
Account) 
Date: Monday, November 21, 2022 at 1:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
No, the maximum official size is 16AWG which is good for 12A.   If you're 
looking at bringing it up the tower, I'd recommend using a transition terminal 
block that can handle whatever size wire you're bringing in, and then run a 
smaller one to the pdu.   Bonus reliability points if you use ferrules on the 
16AWG wire (assuming stranded wire here).

And, yes, each of the 5 ports have fast overcurrent protection which will, in 
most cases, shut one port down and leave the others running.  The "most cases" 
is the hedge which covers things like the power supply you're powering the 
whole thing from having faster overcurrent protection than ours.   And cases 
where the short circuit causes enough of a power supply blip to cause 
everything else to reset due to the sudden voltage drop in the short period 
before the overcurrent protection kicks in.


On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 8:46 AM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
Can the terminal block handle 12AWG wire?   If one of the outputs shorts, does 
that take the entire PDU offline, or is there internal limiting with the 3A per 
port.
On 11/18/2022 6:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
The packetflux base 3 is similar in the context of it having similar i/o 
possibilities.  Â

The main difference is that the tycon product is fixed function, so as long as 
you can monitor exactly what you want with it, it will work for you.   If you 
want a different set of i/o then you're SOL.

I also would caution anyone passing current through the tycon product to be 
mindful that the terminal blocks they use may not be able to handle what they 
specify as a maximum current on a continuous basis.  Typically those types of 
connectors are rated at 12 or 15A and they say they can do 20A.  I'm hopeful 
that they have bought special connectors to handle 20A, but even if they didn't 
they should be able to handle short periods of 20A.Â

The packetflux Base 3 has evolved quite a bit from the early days, although 
there are still some limitations due to us wanting the current version to be 
drop in compatible with the previous version.   But some of the updates make 
this more useful at a wisp DC site.   For instance, the base 3 and most of 
the power distribution or injection models will handle both positive and 
negative power, at a much wider range than most units.  So you can use both 
+24V and -48V to power it up at the same time.Â

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 11:11 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Nice.  Good price too.  What does Forrest have that is similar?
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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31  wrote:
I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the time
was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11 characters
or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I think
they were talking about fixing that in a future

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-20 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
No, the maximum official size is 16AWG which is good for 12A.   If you're
looking at bringing it up the tower, I'd recommend using a transition
terminal block that can handle whatever size wire you're bringing in, and
then run a smaller one to the pdu.   Bonus reliability points if you use
ferrules on the 16AWG wire (assuming stranded wire here).

And, yes, each of the 5 ports have fast overcurrent protection which will,
in most cases, shut one port down and leave the others running.  The "most
cases" is the hedge which covers things like the power supply you're
powering the whole thing from having faster overcurrent protection than
ours.   And cases where the short circuit causes enough of a power supply
blip to cause everything else to reset due to the sudden voltage drop in
the short period before the overcurrent protection kicks in.


On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 8:46 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Can the terminal block handle 12AWG wire?   If one of the outputs shorts,
> does that take the entire PDU offline, or is there internal limiting with
> the 3A per port.
>
> On 11/18/2022 6:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> The packetflux base 3 is similar in the context of it having similar i/o
> possibilities.  Â
>
> The main difference is that the tycon product is fixed function, so as
> long as you can monitor exactly what you want with it, it will work for
> you.   If you want a different set of i/o then you're SOL.
>
> I also would caution anyone passing current through the tycon product to
> be mindful that the terminal blocks they use may not be able to handle what
> they specify as a maximum current on a continuous basis.  Typically those
> types of connectors are rated at 12 or 15A and they say they can do 20A.Â
> I'm hopeful that they have bought special connectors to handle 20A, but
> even if they didn't they should be able to handle short periods of 20A.Â
>
> The packetflux Base 3 has evolved quite a bit from the early days,
> although there are still some limitations due to us wanting the current
> version to be drop in compatible with the previous version.   But some of
> the updates make this more useful at a wisp DC site.   For instance, the
> base 3 and most of the power distribution or injection models will handle
> both positive and negative power, at a much wider range than most units.Â
> So you can use both +24V and -48V to power it up at the same time.Â
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 11:11 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice.  Good price too.  What does Forrest have that is similar?
>> Â
>> *From:* Jason Wilson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:34 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
>> Â
>> I'm just starting to use these for some VERY remote sites.Â
>> Â
>> https://www.tyconsystems.com/tpdin-monitor-web3
>>
>> Jason Wilson
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>> Critical Infrastructure Service Provider
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
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>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31  wrote:
>>
>>> I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the
>>> time
>>> was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11
>>> characters
>>> or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
>>> really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I
>>> think
>>> they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the base unit,
>>> but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's still
>>> an
>>> issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be limited to
>>> 3 per
>>> PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't an
>>> issue
>>> in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then that's
>>> something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge.  Anything
>>> bigger than
>>> 14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the packet
>>> flux
>>> PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty severe at
>>> 300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was
>>> deploying on
>>> 70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
>>> feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could be an
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful, but
>>> you
>>> can have any tower dude climb up there and put t

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-20 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Yes, both in the DIN rail/sitemonitor form factor (1 8AMP input, 5 3A max
outputs), and the Rackinjector form factor (any of the 4 cards positions
can be populated with a PDU card, which means the rackinjector can have 0
to 16 PDU ports).


On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 6:33 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Forrest, do you offer a PDU unit?
>
>
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>
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> *From: *AF  on behalf of Forrest Christian (List
> Account) 
> *Date: *Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:31 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
>
> The PDU and other modules appear as separate ports.  See
> https://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-3-classic-edition/ for an
> image of that page.
>
>
>
> I think the limit is now 64 characters.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 10:30 AM  wrote:
>
> I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the
> time
> was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11 characters
> or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
> really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I think
> they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the base unit,
> but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's still an
> issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be limited to 3
> per
> PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't an issue
> in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then that's
> something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge.  Anything bigger
> than
> 14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the packet flux
> PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty severe at
> 300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was deploying on
> 70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
> feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could be an
> issue.
>
> In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful, but you
> can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into the
> green
> hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC cables then
> you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead set on a
> single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
> Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
>
> Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G ports.
> Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a single power
> cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking like 3 or 4
> licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.
> Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a UBNT
> Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them through
> the
> MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
> But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.
>
> Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per channel,
> and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide about 140w per
> radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN mount.  The
> Sitemonitor
> base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?
>
> Are there other options?
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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-18 Thread Nate Burke 
Can the terminal block handle 12AWG wire?   If one of the outputs 
shorts, does that take the entire PDU offline, or is there internal 
limiting with the 3A per port.


On 11/18/2022 6:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
The packetflux base 3 is similar in the context of it having similar 
i/o possibilities.  Â


The main difference is that the tycon product is fixed function, so as 
long as you can monitor exactly what you want with it, it will work 
for you.   If you want a different set of i/o then you're SOL.


I also would caution anyone passing current through the tycon product 
to be mindful that the terminal blocks they use may not be able to 
handle what they specify as a maximum current on a continuous basis.  
Typically those types of connectors are rated at 12 or 15A and they 
say they can do 20A.  I'm hopeful that they have bought special 
connectors to handle 20A, but even if they didn't they should be able 
to handle short periods of 20A.Â


The packetflux Base 3 has evolved quite a bit from the early days, 
although there are still some limitations due to us wanting the 
current version to be drop in compatible with the previous version.  
 But some of the updates make this more useful at a wisp DC site.  
 For instance, the base 3 and most of the power distribution or 
injection models will handle both positive and negative power, at a 
much wider range than most units.  So you can use both +24V and -48V 
to power it up at the same time.Â


On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 11:11 AM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


Nice.  Good price too.  What does Forrest have that is similar?
Â
*From:* Jason Wilson
*Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:34 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
Â
I'm just starting to use these for some VERY remote sites.Â
Â
https://www.tyconsystems.com/tpdin-monitor-web3

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31  wrote:

I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only
complaint at the time
was the character limit on port description.  I think it was
11 characters
or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic
abbreviations when I
really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270
azimuth".  I think
they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the
base unit,
but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if
that's still an
issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be
limited to 3 per
PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That
wasn't an issue
in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower
then that's
something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge. 
Anything bigger than

14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the
packet flux
PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty
severe at
300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I
was deploying on
70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was
acceptable, but
feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site
could be an
issue.

In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems
wasteful, but you
can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug
into the green
hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate
DC cables then
you'd have to be careful who you send up there. If you're
dead set on a
single power run then something with built in breakers is a
good idea.
Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.Â


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of
10G ports.
Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run
a single power
cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking
like 3 or 4
licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.Â
Rather than running individual power wires for each one. 
I've used a UBNT

Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running
them through the
MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.Â
But that's extra pieces need

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-18 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Forrest, do you offer a PDU unit?




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From: AF  on behalf of Forrest Christian (List 
Account) 
Date: Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
The PDU and other modules appear as separate ports.  See 
https://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-3-classic-edition/<https://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-3-classic-edition/>
 for an image of that page.

I think the limit is now 64 characters.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 10:30 AM 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the time
was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11 characters
or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I think
they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the base unit,
but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's still an
issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be limited to 3 per
PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't an issue
in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then that's
something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge.  Anything bigger than
14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the packet flux
PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty severe at
300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was deploying on
70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could be an
issue.

In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful, but you
can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into the green
hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC cables then
you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead set on a
single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G ports.
Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a single power
cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking like 3 or 4
licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.
Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a UBNT
Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them through the
MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.

Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per channel,
and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide about 140w per
radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN mount.  The Sitemonitor
base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?

Are there other options?

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
The packetflux base 3 is similar in the context of it having similar i/o
possibilities.

The main difference is that the tycon product is fixed function, so as long
as you can monitor exactly what you want with it, it will work for you.
 If you want a different set of i/o then you're SOL.

I also would caution anyone passing current through the tycon product to be
mindful that the terminal blocks they use may not be able to handle what
they specify as a maximum current on a continuous basis.  Typically those
types of connectors are rated at 12 or 15A and they say they can do 20A.
I'm hopeful that they have bought special connectors to handle 20A, but
even if they didn't they should be able to handle short periods of 20A.

The packetflux Base 3 has evolved quite a bit from the early days, although
there are still some limitations due to us wanting the current version to
be drop in compatible with the previous version.   But some of the updates
make this more useful at a wisp DC site.   For instance, the base 3 and
most of the power distribution or injection models will handle both
positive and negative power, at a much wider range than most units.  So you
can use both +24V and -48V to power it up at the same time.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 11:11 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Nice.  Good price too.  What does Forrest have that is similar?
>
> *From:* Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:34 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
>
> I'm just starting to use these for some VERY remote sites.
>
> https://www.tyconsystems.com/tpdin-monitor-web3
>
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Critical Infrastructure Service Provider
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736
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> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31  wrote:
>
>> I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the
>> time
>> was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11 characters
>> or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
>> really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I
>> think
>> they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the base unit,
>> but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's still
>> an
>> issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be limited to 3
>> per
>> PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't an
>> issue
>> in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then that's
>> something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge.  Anything bigger
>> than
>> 14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the packet flux
>> PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty severe at
>> 300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was deploying
>> on
>> 70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
>> feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could be an
>> issue.
>>
>> In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful, but you
>> can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into the
>> green
>> hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC cables then
>> you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead set on a
>> single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
>> Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
>>
>> Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G ports.
>> Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a single
>> power
>> cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking like 3 or 4
>> licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.
>> Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a UBNT
>> Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them through
>> the
>> MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
>> But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.
>>
>> Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per
>> channel,
>> and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide about 140w per
>> radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN mount.  The
>> Sitemonitor
>> base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?
>>
>> Are there other

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
The PDU and other modules appear as separate ports.  See
https://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-3-classic-edition/ for an
image of that page.

I think the limit is now 64 characters.


On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 10:30 AM  wrote:

> I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the
> time
> was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11 characters
> or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
> really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I think
> they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the base unit,
> but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's still an
> issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be limited to 3
> per
> PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't an issue
> in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then that's
> something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge.  Anything bigger
> than
> 14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the packet flux
> PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty severe at
> 300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was deploying on
> 70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
> feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could be an
> issue.
>
> In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful, but you
> can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into the
> green
> hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC cables then
> you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead set on a
> single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
> Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
>
> Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G ports.
> Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a single power
> cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking like 3 or 4
> licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.
> Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a UBNT
> Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them through
> the
> MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
> But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.
>
> Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per channel,
> and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide about 140w per
> radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN mount.  The
> Sitemonitor
> base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?
>
> Are there other options?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Everything we sell is temperature hardened and this is a pretty common
application...  a sitemonitor base 3 and a PDU together.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 9:50 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G
> ports.  Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a
> single power cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking
> like 3 or 4 licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.
> Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a
> UBNT Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them
> through the MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
> But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.
>
> Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per
> channel, and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide
> about 140w per radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN
> mount.  The Sitemonitor base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?
>
> Are there other options?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-17 Thread Carl Peterson 
We put the A90-GMT10-WM in an enclosure on rooftops with a fiber RDT.  #6
from the rectifier shelf output.  No power control is that's what you
looking for but it gives you fused outputs with alarms.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 12:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Note it will do 125 to 250 on AC
>
> On DC,  contact self welding can be a concern.  If the current is low I
> don’t think I would worry about 48 volts.
>
> I learned this lesson the hard way once at a solar site.  I used regular
> Home Depot light switches on some 48 volt circuits.  Was not too long
> before none of the switches were good.  I think they shorted on.  But maybe
> they burned and were open.  In any event ruined for certain.
>
> Use that relay to trigger an external relay that is guaranteed to work.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
>
> That looks intriguing.  DC power on the relays says only up to 30V
> though.  And Would still require external fusing for each link?
>
> I have a couple sites where I ran multiple fibers but only a single 12/3
> to the top to power an Edgepoint that was powering AF11's.  I'm upgrading
> more sites from AF11 to Bigger radios, and am trying to minimize having to
> pull new cables.  At most sites it's easy enough to just pull new cables
> for each radio, but at some of the grain elevators, the cable path is quite
> convoluted, and the installers yell and complain about having to pull
> wires.  Interestingly, they also yelled and complained about wanting to
> pull spares initially.
>
> The Mikrotik NetFiber9 will give me the extra 10G ports on the existing
> fiber, can power it off the Edgepoint, so that part is easy.  Just need to
> figure out the power to the radios.  Aviat can do POE, but not the POE that
> the edgepoint outputs, so I run it through a double set of GIGE-POE, one to
> take the UBNT 56v and convert to 2 wire, then a 2nd to convert the 2wire
> into Aviat POE.  But at that site, I have a large NEMA on a nice platform,
> so everything is DIN mounted in that with lots of room.
>
>
> On 11/17/2022 11:34 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
>
> I'm just starting to use these for some VERY remote sites.
>
> https://www.tyconsystems.com/tpdin-monitor-web3
>
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Critical Infrastructure Service Provider
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736
> 530-748-9608 Cell
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>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31  wrote:
>
>> I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the
>> time
>> was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11 characters
>> or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
>> really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I
>> think
>> they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the base unit,
>> but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's still
>> an
>> issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be limited to 3
>> per
>> PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't an
>> issue
>> in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then that's
>> something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge.  Anything bigger
>> than
>> 14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the packet flux
>> PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty severe at
>> 300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was deploying
>> on
>> 70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
>> feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could be an
>> issue.
>>
>> In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful, but you
>> can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into the
>> green
>> hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC cables then
>> you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead set on a
>> single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
>> Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
>>
>> Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G ports.
>> Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a single
>> power
>> cable up a tower and DC to m

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-17 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
Note it will do 125 to 250 on AC

On DC,  contact self welding can be a concern.  If the current is low I don’t 
think I would worry about 48 volts.

I learned this lesson the hard way once at a solar site.  I used regular Home 
Depot light switches on some 48 volt circuits.  Was not too long before none of 
the switches were good.  I think they shorted on.  But maybe they burned and 
were open.  In any event ruined for certain.  

Use that relay to trigger an external relay that is guaranteed to work.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

That looks intriguing.  DC power on the relays says only up to 30V though.  And 
Would still require external fusing for each link?

I have a couple sites where I ran multiple fibers but only a single 12/3 to the 
top to power an Edgepoint that was powering AF11's.  I'm upgrading more sites 
from AF11 to Bigger radios, and am trying to minimize having to pull new 
cables.  At most sites it's easy enough to just pull new cables for each radio, 
but at some of the grain elevators, the cable path is quite convoluted, and the 
installers yell and complain about having to pull wires.  Interestingly, they 
also yelled and complained about wanting to pull spares initially.  

The Mikrotik NetFiber9 will give me the extra 10G ports on the existing fiber, 
can power it off the Edgepoint, so that part is easy.  Just need to figure out 
the power to the radios.  Aviat can do POE, but not the POE that the edgepoint 
outputs, so I run it through a double set of GIGE-POE, one to take the UBNT 56v 
and convert to 2 wire, then a 2nd to convert the 2wire into Aviat POE.  But at 
that site, I have a large NEMA on a nice platform, so everything is DIN mounted 
in that with lots of room.  



On 11/17/2022 11:34 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

  I'm just starting to use these for some VERY remote sites.  

  https://www.tyconsystems.com/tpdin-monitor-web3


  Jason Wilson
  Remotely Located
  Critical Infrastructure Service Provider
  Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
  530-651-1736
  530-748-9608 Cell
  www.remotelylocated.com

  On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31  wrote:

I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the time
was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11 characters
or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I think
they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the base unit,
but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's still an
issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be limited to 3 per
PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't an issue
in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then that's
something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge.  Anything bigger than
14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the packet flux
PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty severe at
300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was deploying on
70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could be an
issue. 

In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful, but you
can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into the green
hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC cables then
you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead set on a
single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.  


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G ports.
Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a single power
cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking like 3 or 4
licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.  
Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a UBNT
Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them through the
MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.  
But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.

Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per channel,
and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide about 140w per
radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN mount.  The Sitemonitor
base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?

Are there other options?

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-17 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
Nice.  Good price too.  What does Forrest have that is similar?

From: Jason Wilson 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

I'm just starting to use these for some VERY remote sites.  

https://www.tyconsystems.com/tpdin-monitor-web3


Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Critical Infrastructure Service Provider
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31  wrote:

  I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the time
  was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11 characters
  or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
  really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I think
  they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the base unit,
  but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's still an
  issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be limited to 3 per
  PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't an issue
  in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then that's
  something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge.  Anything bigger than
  14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the packet flux
  PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty severe at
  300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was deploying on
  70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
  feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could be an
  issue. 

  In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful, but you
  can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into the green
  hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC cables then
  you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead set on a
  single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
  Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.  


  -Original Message-
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
  Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

  Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G ports.
  Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a single power
  cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking like 3 or 4
  licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.  
  Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a UBNT
  Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them through the
  MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.  
  But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.

  Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per channel,
  and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide about 140w per
  radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN mount.  The Sitemonitor
  base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?

  Are there other options?

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-17 Thread Nate Burke 
That looks intriguing.  DC power on the relays says only up to 30V 
though.  And Would still require external fusing for each link?


I have a couple sites where I ran multiple fibers but only a single 12/3 
to the top to power an Edgepoint that was powering AF11's.  I'm 
upgrading more sites from AF11 to Bigger radios, and am trying to 
minimize having to pull new cables.  At most sites it's easy enough to 
just pull new cables for each radio, but at some of the grain elevators, 
the cable path is quite convoluted, and the installers yell and complain 
about having to pull wires.  Interestingly, they also yelled and 
complained about wanting to pull spares initially.


The Mikrotik NetFiber9 will give me the extra 10G ports on the existing 
fiber, can power it off the Edgepoint, so that part is easy.  Just need 
to figure out the power to the radios.  Aviat can do POE, but not the 
POE that the edgepoint outputs, so I run it through a double set of 
GIGE-POE, one to take the UBNT 56v and convert to 2 wire, then a 2nd to 
convert the 2wire into Aviat POE. But at that site, I have a large NEMA 
on a nice platform, so everything is DIN mounted in that with lots of room.



On 11/17/2022 11:34 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

I'm just starting to use these for some VERY remote sites.

https://www.tyconsystems.com/tpdin-monitor-web3

Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Critical Infrastructure Service Provider
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com 

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31 > wrote:


I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint
at the time
was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11
characters
or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations
when I
really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270
azimuth".  I think
they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the
base unit,
but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's
still an
issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be
limited to 3 per
PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't
an issue
in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then
that's
something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge. Anything
bigger than
14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the
packet flux
PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty
severe at
300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was
deploying on
70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could
be an
issue.

In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful,
but you
can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into
the green
hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC
cables then
you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead
set on a
single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G
ports.
Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a
single power
cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking like 3 or 4
licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.
Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've
used a UBNT
Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them
through the
MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.

Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per
channel,
and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide about
140w per
radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN mount. The
Sitemonitor
base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?

Are there other options?

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-17 Thread Jason Wilson 
I'm just starting to use these for some VERY remote sites.

https://www.tyconsystems.com/tpdin-monitor-web3

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Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
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530-748-9608 Cell
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 09:31  wrote:

> I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the
> time
> was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11 characters
> or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
> really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I think
> they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the base unit,
> but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's still an
> issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be limited to 3
> per
> PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't an issue
> in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then that's
> something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge.  Anything bigger
> than
> 14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the packet flux
> PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty severe at
> 300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was deploying on
> 70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
> feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could be an
> issue.
>
> In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful, but you
> can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into the
> green
> hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC cables then
> you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead set on a
> single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
> Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
>
> Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G ports.
> Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a single power
> cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking like 3 or 4
> licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.
> Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a UBNT
> Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them through
> the
> MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
> But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.
>
> Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per channel,
> and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide about 140w per
> radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN mount.  The
> Sitemonitor
> base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?
>
> Are there other options?
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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-17 Thread dmmoffett 
I’ve done it (on the ground) with terminal blocks too.  The only issue with 
that was one bad radio with a short trips the breaker on the whole system.  I 
wouldn’t do it again without separate breakers/fuses for each device.

 

-Adam

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 12:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

 

Something like this in a NEMA enclosure?

Dinkle Assembly Kit DK10N Red/Black 10 Gang with Jumpers DIN Rail Terminal 
Blocks, 6-20 AWG, 60 Amp, 600 Volt https://a.co/d/gNA1zcn

 

Or power poles 

 

Electronics-Salon Slim DIN Rail Mount 30A/60V 6-Position Power Distribution 
Block Module, for Power Pole Connectors https://a.co/d/8sZiGdN

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 08:50 Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G 
ports.  Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a 
single power cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking 
like 3 or 4 licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.  
Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a 
UBNT Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them 
through the MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.  
But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.

Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per 
channel, and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide 
about 140w per radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN 
mount.  The Sitemonitor base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?

Are there other options?

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-17 Thread dmmoffett 
I've used the PDU at the bottom of the tower.  My only complaint at the time
was the character limit on port description.  I think it was 11 characters
or some suchI had to come up with some cryptic abbreviations when I
really wanted to say "Power to Telrad Compact 1000 - 270 azimuth".  I think
they were talking about fixing that in a future version of the base unit,
but I haven't used any packetflux lately so I don't know if that's still an
issue or not.  If you're powering 100W radios then you'd be limited to 3 per
PDU.  A fourth radio would put you over the 8A total.  That wasn't an issue
in my deployment, but if you're planning 4+ sectors per tower then that's
something to be aware of.  Next problem is wire gauge.  Anything bigger than
14ga is gonna have trouble squeezing into the connector on the packet flux
PDU.  Voltage drop on 48V /8A with 14ga is going to be pretty severe at
300ft, but if the tower is short then it's probably ok.  I was deploying on
70ft poles, and we ran 16ga up to each radio so it was acceptable, but
feeding the 8A input on the packetflux PDU on a taller site could be an
issue. 

In any case I'd advise separate cables.  I know it seems wasteful, but you
can have any tower dude climb up there and put the green plug into the green
hole.  If you want the tower climber to strip and terminate DC cables then
you'd have to be careful who you send up there.  If you're dead set on a
single power run then something with built in breakers is a good idea.
Packetflux PDU would fit that bill.  


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 11:48 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G ports.
Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a single power
cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking like 3 or 4
licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.  
Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a UBNT
Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them through the
MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.  
But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.

Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per channel,
and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide about 140w per
radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN mount.  The Sitemonitor
base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?

Are there other options?

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-17 Thread Nate Burke 
I was hoping for something a little smarter.  Relay control individual 
radios, and/or monitor power consumption for each.  When there's a power 
outage at 11pm on a holiday weekend, it's a lot easier to just power 
down all but 1 backhaul and increase UPS runtime by 3x, Then leisurely 
stroll out to hook the generator up after dinner the next day.


On 11/17/2022 11:15 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

Something like this in a NEMA enclosure?
Dinkle Assembly Kit DK10N Red/Black 10 Gang with Jumpers DIN Rail 
Terminal Blocks, 6-20 AWG, 60 Amp, 600 Volt https://a.co/d/gNA1zcn


Or power poles

Electronics-Salon Slim DIN Rail Mount 30A/60V 6-Position Power 
Distribution Block Module, for Power Pole Connectors 
https://a.co/d/8sZiGdN


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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 08:50 Nate Burke > wrote:


Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G
ports.  Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution? 
Run a

single power cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm
thinking
like 3 or 4 licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G
fiber.
Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a
UBNT Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them
through the MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.

Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per
channel, and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide
about 140w per radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN
mount.  The Sitemonitor base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?

Are there other options?

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

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Date: Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution
Something like this in a NEMA enclosure?
Dinkle Assembly Kit DK10N Red/Black 10 Gang with Jumpers DIN Rail Terminal 
Blocks, 6-20 AWG, 60 Amp, 600 Volt 
https://a.co/d/gNA1zcn<https://a.co/d/gNA1zcn>

Or power poles

Electronics-Salon Slim DIN Rail Mount 30A/60V 6-Position Power Distribution 
Block Module, for Power Pole Connectors 
https://a.co/d/8sZiGdN<https://a.co/d/8sZiGdN>
Jason Wilson
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 08:50 Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G
ports.  Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a
single power cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking
like 3 or 4 licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.
Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a
UBNT Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them
through the MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.

Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per
channel, and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide
about 140w per radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN
mount.  The Sitemonitor base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?

Are there other options?

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor DC Distribution

2022-11-17 Thread Jason Wilson 
Something like this in a NEMA enclosure?
Dinkle Assembly Kit DK10N Red/Black 10 Gang with Jumpers DIN Rail Terminal
Blocks, 6-20 AWG, 60 Amp, 600 Volt https://a.co/d/gNA1zcn

Or power poles

Electronics-Salon Slim DIN Rail Mount 30A/60V 6-Position Power Distribution
Block Module, for Power Pole Connectors https://a.co/d/8sZiGdN

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 08:50 Nate Burke  wrote:

> Mikrotik makes a nice outdoor fiber switch with a handfull of 10G
> ports.  Does anyone make something similar for DC Distribution?  Run a
> single power cable up a tower and DC to multiple radios?  I'm thinking
> like 3 or 4 licensed radios each needing 2 wire DC input and 10G fiber.
> Rather than running individual power wires for each one.  I've used a
> UBNT Edgepoint S16, taking the 56v POE Output ports, and running them
> through the MCT GIGE-POE to extract 2wire power to run to the radio.
> But that's extra pieces needing a place to be mounted.
>
> Would the Site Monitor 5 channel PDU fit the bill?  IT says 3A per
> channel, and 8A total.  So in theory that should be able to provide
> about 140w per radio.  Could put it in some sort of NEMA with a DIN
> mount.  The Sitemonitor base is hardened, would the PDU be as well?
>
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