Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-28 Thread Lewis Bergman 
Maybe this year Nissan does. I looked a couple years ago they didn't.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 12:28 PM Craig House  wrote:

> https://www.globalxvehicles.com/models.html
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 28, 2018, at 12:06, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>
> I don't think there has been one made in maybe 5 years or more.
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 10:15 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> Any decent install vans with 4wd?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a good discussion.  Tire size and ground clearance versus cost
>>> per mile.  The best vans for off-road from Ford are the up to 2014
>>> E-150/E-250.  We get 400,000 miles plus out of them and they can take a
>>> beating.  The new Transits are 16” tires which is a disappointment and
>>> there are few vendors.  We are planning on changing those wheels to 17”
>>> shortly.Didn’t catch that when we bought it.  Did find out the 2014
>>> Chrysler Cargo Mini-Vans are 17” and bought one of those also at a great
>>> price and they get good gas mileage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 1:47 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been happy with our Promaster series. We have one with the high
>>> top long version which you do have to watch on windy days. Having said
>>> that, we drive it regardless all around West Texas. We have the standard
>>> height which is barely tall enough for a 6 foot guy to stand up in but it
>>> works. It is the short wheel base version. Both work well, decent mileage.
>>> Lots of room inside. We added some $25 Amazon LED's to bothwhich makes
>>> findiing stuff bunches easier.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive
>>> pickup trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should
>>> be a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for
>>> parts and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy
>>> day.  But the best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and
>>> they also seem embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or
>>> maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on
>>> something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather,
>>> the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in
>>> winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is
>>> marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the preference for work vans these days?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Transit
>>>
>>> Nissan
>>>
>>> Promasters
>>>
>>> Sprinter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-28 Thread Craig House 
https://www.globalxvehicles.com/models.html

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2018, at 12:06, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> I don't think there has been one made in maybe 5 years or more. 
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 10:15 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>> Any decent install vans with 4wd?
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Rory Conaway  
>>> wrote:
>>> This is a good discussion.  Tire size and ground clearance versus cost per 
>>> mile.  The best vans for off-road from Ford are the up to 2014 E-150/E-250. 
>>>  We get 400,000 miles plus out of them and they can take a beating.  The 
>>> new Transits are 16” tires which is a disappointment and there are few 
>>> vendors.  We are planning on changing those wheels to 17” shortly.
>>> Didn’t catch that when we bought it.  Did find out the 2014 Chrysler Cargo 
>>> Mini-Vans are 17” and bought one of those also at a great price and they 
>>> get good gas mileage.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rory 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 1:47 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We have been happy with our Promaster series. We have one with the high top 
>>> long version which you do have to watch on windy days. Having said that, we 
>>> drive it regardless all around West Texas. We have the standard height 
>>> which is barely tall enough for a 6 foot guy to stand up in but it works. 
>>> It is the short wheel base version. Both work well, decent mileage. Lots of 
>>> room inside. We added some $25 Amazon LED's to bothwhich makes findiing 
>>> stuff bunches easier.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive pickup 
>>> trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should be a 
>>> medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for parts 
>>> and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy day.  
>>> But the best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they 
>>> also seem embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or 
>>> maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on 
>>> something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather, 
>>> the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in 
>>> winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is 
>>> marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> What is the preference for work vans these days?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Transit
>>> 
>>> Nissan
>>> 
>>> Promasters
>>> 
>>> Sprinter
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Paul , PDMNet
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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I think Transit and Promaster have AWD and diesel options in Europe that aren’t 
sold in the US.  Nissan NV 1500/2500/3500 is RWD, it’s based on their pickup, 
so possibly might have a 4WD option?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 12:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

 

I don't think there has been one made in maybe 5 years or more. 

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 10:15 AM Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Any decent install vans with 4wd?

 

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

This is a good discussion.  Tire size and ground clearance versus cost per 
mile.  The best vans for off-road from Ford are the up to 2014 E-150/E-250.  We 
get 400,000 miles plus out of them and they can take a beating.  The new 
Transits are 16” tires which is a disappointment and there are few vendors.  We 
are planning on changing those wheels to 17” shortly.Didn’t catch that when 
we bought it.  Did find out the 2014 Chrysler Cargo Mini-Vans are 17” and 
bought one of those also at a great price and they get good gas mileage.

 

Rory  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

 

We have been happy with our Promaster series. We have one with the high top 
long version which you do have to watch on windy days. Having said that, we 
drive it regardless all around West Texas. We have the standard height which is 
barely tall enough for a 6 foot guy to stand up in but it works. It is the 
short wheel base version. Both work well, decent mileage. Lots of room inside. 
We added some $25 Amazon LED's to bothwhich makes findiing stuff bunches easier.

 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:35 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive pickup 
trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.

 

If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should be a 
medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for parts and 
tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy day.  But the 
best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they also seem 
embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or maybe Chevy.  
Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?

 

In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on something 
like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather, the ground 
clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in winter or 
after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is marginal, a Transit 
Connect class van would be worse.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

 

Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…

 

What is the preference for work vans these days?

 

Transit 

Nissan 

Promasters 

Sprinter

 

?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-28 Thread Lewis Bergman 
I don't think there has been one made in maybe 5 years or more.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 10:15 AM Jeremy  wrote:

> Any decent install vans with 4wd?
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> This is a good discussion.  Tire size and ground clearance versus cost
>> per mile.  The best vans for off-road from Ford are the up to 2014
>> E-150/E-250.  We get 400,000 miles plus out of them and they can take a
>> beating.  The new Transits are 16” tires which is a disappointment and
>> there are few vendors.  We are planning on changing those wheels to 17”
>> shortly.Didn’t catch that when we bought it.  Did find out the 2014
>> Chrysler Cargo Mini-Vans are 17” and bought one of those also at a great
>> price and they get good gas mileage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 1:47 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> We have been happy with our Promaster series. We have one with the high
>> top long version which you do have to watch on windy days. Having said
>> that, we drive it regardless all around West Texas. We have the standard
>> height which is barely tall enough for a 6 foot guy to stand up in but it
>> works. It is the short wheel base version. Both work well, decent mileage.
>> Lots of room inside. We added some $25 Amazon LED's to bothwhich makes
>> findiing stuff bunches easier.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive
>> pickup trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.
>>
>>
>>
>> If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should be
>> a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for parts
>> and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy day.
>> But the best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they
>> also seem embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or
>> maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?
>>
>>
>>
>> In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on
>> something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather,
>> the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in
>> winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is
>> marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the preference for work vans these days?
>>
>>
>>
>> Transit
>>
>> Nissan
>>
>> Promasters
>>
>> Sprinter
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul , PDMNet
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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-28 Thread Jeremy 
Any decent install vans with 4wd?

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> This is a good discussion.  Tire size and ground clearance versus cost per
> mile.  The best vans for off-road from Ford are the up to 2014
> E-150/E-250.  We get 400,000 miles plus out of them and they can take a
> beating.  The new Transits are 16” tires which is a disappointment and
> there are few vendors.  We are planning on changing those wheels to 17”
> shortly.Didn’t catch that when we bought it.  Did find out the 2014
> Chrysler Cargo Mini-Vans are 17” and bought one of those also at a great
> price and they get good gas mileage.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 1:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>
>
>
> We have been happy with our Promaster series. We have one with the high
> top long version which you do have to watch on windy days. Having said
> that, we drive it regardless all around West Texas. We have the standard
> height which is barely tall enough for a 6 foot guy to stand up in but it
> works. It is the short wheel base version. Both work well, decent mileage.
> Lots of room inside. We added some $25 Amazon LED's to bothwhich makes
> findiing stuff bunches easier.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive pickup
> trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.
>
>
>
> If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should be
> a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for parts
> and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy day.
> But the best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they
> also seem embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or
> maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?
>
>
>
> In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on
> something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather,
> the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in
> winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is
> marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>
>
>
> Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…
>
>
>
> What is the preference for work vans these days?
>
>
>
> Transit
>
> Nissan
>
> Promasters
>
> Sprinter
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
> Paul , PDMNet
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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-24 Thread Rory Conaway 
This is a good discussion.  Tire size and ground clearance versus cost per 
mile.  The best vans for off-road from Ford are the up to 2014 E-150/E-250.  We 
get 400,000 miles plus out of them and they can take a beating.  The new 
Transits are 16” tires which is a disappointment and there are few vendors.  We 
are planning on changing those wheels to 17” shortly.Didn’t catch that when 
we bought it.  Did find out the 2014 Chrysler Cargo Mini-Vans are 17” and 
bought one of those also at a great price and they get good gas mileage.

Rory

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

We have been happy with our Promaster series. We have one with the high top 
long version which you do have to watch on windy days. Having said that, we 
drive it regardless all around West Texas. We have the standard height which is 
barely tall enough for a 6 foot guy to stand up in but it works. It is the 
short wheel base version. Both work well, decent mileage. Lots of room inside. 
We added some $25 Amazon LED's to bothwhich makes findiing stuff bunches easier.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:35 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive pickup 
trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.

If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should be a 
medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for parts and 
tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy day.  But the 
best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they also seem 
embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or maybe Chevy.  
Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?

In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on something 
like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather, the ground 
clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in winter or 
after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is marginal, a Transit 
Connect class van would be worse.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…

What is the preference for work vans these days?

Transit
Nissan
Promasters
Sprinter

?

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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-20 Thread Robert 
depending upon snow type, regularly used have no problem it 1.5 feet as 
long as it hadn't turned to ice.  But we used chains


On 10/20/18 10:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
When the guy doesn't want to go up in the Hummer I'd like to come by 
with the Hyundai and give it a go :)
For anything other than deep snow I've taken the little Hyundai and made 
it.  I get a running start through the bad spots.  Keep the wheels on 
the high spots.  I think it's an 1800 lb vehicle, so it doesn't bury 
itself like an 8,000 lb truck.  So part of it is riding on top of the 
problem rather than pushing through it, part of it is just the sheer 
lack of giving a crap.  Like I said I'm not losing much if I trash the 
Hyundai, but if it was a $50,000 company truck I'd feel like I had to be 
more careful.


When there's a foot of snow your options are limited.  You're either 
walking or else you're towing a tracked vehicle to the site and then 
driving up the access road in that.  It wouldn't matter if you had a 
Hummer or a 4x4 of any kind.  I've walked a couple miles through the 
snow pulling a sled behind me with my tools in it.  Not saying I liked 
it, but I've done it.



On 10/20/2018 7:45 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I bought military him ee for tower access. I don't like walking up to 
tower sites. Besides, some of our towers are at the end of 20 miles of 
stuff like that video, with about a mile of twisty hairpin road at the 
end.


One of my techs tools me he didn't think even the hummer would make it 
up one of our sites again. Time to rent the bull dozer dude to flatten 
things out again.


On Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 7:32 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Tower access is a whole different thing than a regular field
tech's vehicle.
I took this video while in my favorite tower access vehicle:  2004
Hyundai Accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_j2AYU4FM

People tell me I need a truck.  I say why would I want to risk a
perfectly good truck on a road like that.  If I wreck the Hyundai
I'm only out like twelve bucks.

I have some associates who are in favor of the Honda CRV as an
installer vehicle.  They bolt a ladder rack on the roof, and they
use a 3-section extension ladder because it's short enough for the
roof of the CRV.  I have complaints about that setup, but I can't
deny that it's a cost effective all wheel drive vehicle.

I know another guy who had a whole fleet of Chevy Uplanders.  It's
a minivan with a cargo variant.  I thought it was a great
compromise on size and price.  They stopped making them at some
point, and I don't know if there's an equivalent cargo-minivan out
there now.  If there is, that's what I would use for wireless
installs these days.

-Adam


On 10/19/2018 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men
drive pickup trucks. Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And
expensive.

If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it
should be a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while
searching for parts and tools, but not so tall that you are
afraid to drive it on a windy day.  But the best medium height
option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they also seem
embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or
maybe Chevy. Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or
Mopar guy?

In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires
on something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and
winter weather, the ground clearance also seems inadequate. 
Getting to some tower sites in winter or after a heavy rain, I

sometimes feel like my Forester is marginal, a Transit Connect
class van would be worse.

*From:* AF 
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…

What is the preference for work vans these days?

Transit

Nissan

Promasters

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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-20 Thread Adam Moffett 
When the guy doesn't want to go up in the Hummer I'd like to come by 
with the Hyundai and give it a go :)
For anything other than deep snow I've taken the little Hyundai and made 
it.  I get a running start through the bad spots.  Keep the wheels on 
the high spots.  I think it's an 1800 lb vehicle, so it doesn't bury 
itself like an 8,000 lb truck.  So part of it is riding on top of the 
problem rather than pushing through it, part of it is just the sheer 
lack of giving a crap.  Like I said I'm not losing much if I trash the 
Hyundai, but if it was a $50,000 company truck I'd feel like I had to be 
more careful.


When there's a foot of snow your options are limited.  You're either 
walking or else you're towing a tracked vehicle to the site and then 
driving up the access road in that.  It wouldn't matter if you had a 
Hummer or a 4x4 of any kind.  I've walked a couple miles through the 
snow pulling a sled behind me with my tools in it.  Not saying I liked 
it, but I've done it.



On 10/20/2018 7:45 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I bought military him ee for tower access. I don't like walking up to 
tower sites. Besides, some of our towers are at the end of 20 miles of 
stuff like that video, with about a mile of twisty hairpin road at the 
end.


One of my techs tools me he didn't think even the hummer would make it 
up one of our sites again. Time to rent the bull dozer dude to flatten 
things out again.


On Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 7:32 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Tower access is a whole different thing than a regular field
tech's vehicle.
I took this video while in my favorite tower access vehicle:  2004
Hyundai Accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_j2AYU4FM

People tell me I need a truck.  I say why would I want to risk a
perfectly good truck on a road like that.  If I wreck the Hyundai
I'm only out like twelve bucks.

I have some associates who are in favor of the Honda CRV as an
installer vehicle.  They bolt a ladder rack on the roof, and they
use a 3-section extension ladder because it's short enough for the
roof of the CRV.  I have complaints about that setup, but I can't
deny that it's a cost effective all wheel drive vehicle.

I know another guy who had a whole fleet of Chevy Uplanders.  It's
a minivan with a cargo variant.  I thought it was a great
compromise on size and price.  They stopped making them at some
point, and I don't know if there's an equivalent cargo-minivan out
there now.  If there is, that's what I would use for wireless
installs these days.

-Adam


On 10/19/2018 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men
drive pickup trucks. Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And
expensive.

If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it
should be a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while
searching for parts and tools, but not so tall that you are
afraid to drive it on a windy day.  But the best medium height
option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they also seem
embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or
maybe Chevy. Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or
Mopar guy?

In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires
on something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and
winter weather, the ground clearance also seems inadequate. 
Getting to some tower sites in winter or after a heavy rain, I
sometimes feel like my Forester is marginal, a Transit Connect
class van would be worse.

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*Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…

What is the preference for work vans these days?

Transit

Nissan

Promasters

Sprinter

?

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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-20 Thread Adam Moffett 

This one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/BVYDHU?tag=s4343sdfd-20


On 10/20/2018 11:46 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

What kind of ladder can you carry in that?

Adam Moffett wrote:
Tower access is a whole different thing than a regular field tech's 
vehicle.
I took this video while in my favorite tower access vehicle: 2004 
Hyundai Accent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_j2AYU4FM

People tell me I need a truck.  I say why would I want to risk a 
perfectly good truck on a road like that.  If I wreck the Hyundai I'm 
only out like twelve bucks.


I have some associates who are in favor of the Honda CRV as an 
installer vehicle.  They bolt a ladder rack on the roof, and they use 
a 3-section extension ladder because it's short enough for the roof 
of the CRV.  I have complaints about that setup, but I can't deny 
that it's a cost effective all wheel drive vehicle.


I know another guy who had a whole fleet of Chevy Uplanders. It's a 
minivan with a cargo variant.  I thought it was a great compromise on 
size and price.  They stopped making them at some point, and I don't 
know if there's an equivalent cargo-minivan out there now.  If there 
is, that's what I would use for wireless installs these days.


-Adam


On 10/19/2018 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive 
pickup trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly. And expensive.


If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it 
should be a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while 
searching for parts and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid 
to drive it on a windy day.  But the best medium height option seems 
to be the Ford Transit, and they also seem embarrassed to be seen 
driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or maybe Chevy.  Probably a 
tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?


In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on 
something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter 
weather, the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to 
some tower sites in winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel 
like my Forester is marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be 
worse.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…

What is the preference for work vans these days?

Transit

Nissan

Promasters

Sprinter

?

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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-20 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Indian rope trick?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

What kind of ladder can you carry in that?

Adam Moffett wrote:
> Tower access is a whole different thing than a regular field tech's 
> vehicle.
> I took this video while in my favorite tower access vehicle:  2004 
> Hyundai Accent.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_j2AYU4FM
>
> People tell me I need a truck.  I say why would I want to risk a 
> perfectly good truck on a road like that.  If I wreck the Hyundai I'm 
> only out like twelve bucks.
>
> I have some associates who are in favor of the Honda CRV as an 
> installer vehicle.  They bolt a ladder rack on the roof, and they use 
> a 3-section extension ladder because it's short enough for the roof of 
> the CRV.  I have complaints about that setup, but I can't deny that 
> it's a cost effective all wheel drive vehicle.
>
> I know another guy who had a whole fleet of Chevy Uplanders.  It's a 
> minivan with a cargo variant.  I thought it was a great compromise on 
> size and price.  They stopped making them at some point, and I don't 
> know if there's an equivalent cargo-minivan out there now.  If there 
> is, that's what I would use for wireless installs these days.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 10/19/2018 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive 
>> pickup trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.
>>
>> If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it 
>> should be a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while 
>> searching for parts and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to 
>> drive it on a windy day.  But the best medium height option seems to 
>> be the Ford Transit, and they also seem embarrassed to be seen 
>> driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal 
>> thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?
>>
>> In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on 
>> something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter 
>> weather, the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some 
>> tower sites in winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my 
>> Forester is marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>>
>> Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…
>>
>> What is the preference for work vans these days?
>>
>> Transit
>>
>> Nissan
>>
>> Promasters
>>
>> Sprinter
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Paul , PDMNet
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-20 Thread Lewis Bergman 
North. Double mountain. Not a mountain if you are used to real mountains.
Around here they are mountains.

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 11:03 AM Robert  wrote:

> Would have really liked to see the uphill version of that video (
> without just running that backwards  LOL )...
>
> On 10/20/18 8:46 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> > What kind of ladder can you carry in that?
> >
> > Adam Moffett wrote:
> >> Tower access is a whole different thing than a regular field tech's
> >> vehicle.
> >> I took this video while in my favorite tower access vehicle:  2004
> >> Hyundai Accent.
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_j2AYU4FM
> >>
> >> People tell me I need a truck.  I say why would I want to risk a
> >> perfectly good truck on a road like that.  If I wreck the Hyundai I'm
> >> only out like twelve bucks.
> >>
> >> I have some associates who are in favor of the Honda CRV as an
> >> installer vehicle.  They bolt a ladder rack on the roof, and they use
> >> a 3-section extension ladder because it's short enough for the roof of
> >> the CRV.  I have complaints about that setup, but I can't deny that
> >> it's a cost effective all wheel drive vehicle.
> >>
> >> I know another guy who had a whole fleet of Chevy Uplanders.  It's a
> >> minivan with a cargo variant.  I thought it was a great compromise on
> >> size and price.  They stopped making them at some point, and I don't
> >> know if there's an equivalent cargo-minivan out there now.  If there
> >> is, that's what I would use for wireless installs these days.
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/19/2018 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive
> >>> pickup trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.
> >>>
> >>> If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it
> >>> should be a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while
> >>> searching for parts and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to
> >>> drive it on a windy day.  But the best medium height option seems to
> >>> be the Ford Transit, and they also seem embarrassed to be seen
> >>> driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal
> >>> thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?
> >>>
> >>> In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on
> >>> something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter
> >>> weather, the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some
> >>> tower sites in winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my
> >>> Forester is marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
> >>>
> >>> Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…
> >>>
> >>> What is the preference for work vans these days?
> >>>
> >>> Transit
> >>>
> >>> Nissan
> >>>
> >>> Promasters
> >>>
> >>> Sprinter
> >>>
> >>> ?
> >>>
> >>> Paul , PDMNet
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-20 Thread Robert 
Would have really liked to see the uphill version of that video ( 
without just running that backwards  LOL )...


On 10/20/18 8:46 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

What kind of ladder can you carry in that?

Adam Moffett wrote:
Tower access is a whole different thing than a regular field tech's 
vehicle.
I took this video while in my favorite tower access vehicle:  2004 
Hyundai Accent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_j2AYU4FM

People tell me I need a truck.  I say why would I want to risk a 
perfectly good truck on a road like that.  If I wreck the Hyundai I'm 
only out like twelve bucks.


I have some associates who are in favor of the Honda CRV as an 
installer vehicle.  They bolt a ladder rack on the roof, and they use 
a 3-section extension ladder because it's short enough for the roof of 
the CRV.  I have complaints about that setup, but I can't deny that 
it's a cost effective all wheel drive vehicle.


I know another guy who had a whole fleet of Chevy Uplanders.  It's a 
minivan with a cargo variant.  I thought it was a great compromise on 
size and price.  They stopped making them at some point, and I don't 
know if there's an equivalent cargo-minivan out there now.  If there 
is, that's what I would use for wireless installs these days.


-Adam


On 10/19/2018 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive 
pickup trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.


If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it 
should be a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while 
searching for parts and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to 
drive it on a windy day.  But the best medium height option seems to 
be the Ford Transit, and they also seem embarrassed to be seen 
driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal 
thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?


In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on 
something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter 
weather, the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some 
tower sites in winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my 
Forester is marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…

What is the preference for work vans these days?

Transit

Nissan

Promasters

Sprinter

?

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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-20 Thread Jay Weekley 

What kind of ladder can you carry in that?

Adam Moffett wrote:
Tower access is a whole different thing than a regular field tech's 
vehicle.
I took this video while in my favorite tower access vehicle:  2004 
Hyundai Accent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_j2AYU4FM

People tell me I need a truck.  I say why would I want to risk a 
perfectly good truck on a road like that.  If I wreck the Hyundai I'm 
only out like twelve bucks.


I have some associates who are in favor of the Honda CRV as an 
installer vehicle.  They bolt a ladder rack on the roof, and they use 
a 3-section extension ladder because it's short enough for the roof of 
the CRV.  I have complaints about that setup, but I can't deny that 
it's a cost effective all wheel drive vehicle.


I know another guy who had a whole fleet of Chevy Uplanders.  It's a 
minivan with a cargo variant.  I thought it was a great compromise on 
size and price.  They stopped making them at some point, and I don't 
know if there's an equivalent cargo-minivan out there now.  If there 
is, that's what I would use for wireless installs these days.


-Adam


On 10/19/2018 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive 
pickup trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.


If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it 
should be a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while 
searching for parts and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to 
drive it on a windy day.  But the best medium height option seems to 
be the Ford Transit, and they also seem embarrassed to be seen 
driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal 
thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?


In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on 
something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter 
weather, the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some 
tower sites in winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my 
Forester is marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…

What is the preference for work vans these days?

Transit

Nissan

Promasters

Sprinter

?

Paul , PDMNet









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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-20 Thread Jaime Solorza 
What mountains do you speak of Lewis ? South of you?

Jaime Solorza

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 5:47 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> I bought military him ee for tower access. I don't like walking up to
> tower sites. Besides, some of our towers are at the end of 20 miles of
> stuff like that video, with about a mile of twisty hairpin road at the end.
>
> One of my techs tools me he didn't think even the hummer would make it up
> one of our sites again. Time to rent the bull dozer dude to flatten things
> out again.
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 7:32 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Tower access is a whole different thing than a regular field tech's
>> vehicle.
>> I took this video while in my favorite tower access vehicle:  2004
>> Hyundai Accent.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_j2AYU4FM
>>
>> People tell me I need a truck.  I say why would I want to risk a
>> perfectly good truck on a road like that.  If I wreck the Hyundai I'm only
>> out like twelve bucks.
>>
>> I have some associates who are in favor of the Honda CRV as an installer
>> vehicle.  They bolt a ladder rack on the roof, and they use a 3-section
>> extension ladder because it's short enough for the roof of the CRV.  I have
>> complaints about that setup, but I can't deny that it's a cost effective
>> all wheel drive vehicle.
>>
>> I know another guy who had a whole fleet of Chevy Uplanders.  It's a
>> minivan with a cargo variant.  I thought it was a great compromise on size
>> and price.  They stopped making them at some point, and I don't know if
>> there's an equivalent cargo-minivan out there now.  If there is, that's
>> what I would use for wireless installs these days.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> On 10/19/2018 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive
>> pickup trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.
>>
>>
>>
>> If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should be
>> a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for parts
>> and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy day.
>> But the best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they
>> also seem embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or
>> maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?
>>
>>
>>
>> In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on
>> something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather,
>> the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in
>> winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is
>> marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>>
>>
>>
>> Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the preference for work vans these days?
>>
>>
>>
>> Transit
>>
>> Nissan
>>
>> Promasters
>>
>> Sprinter
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul , PDMNet
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-20 Thread Lewis Bergman 
I bought military him ee for tower access. I don't like walking up to tower
sites. Besides, some of our towers are at the end of 20 miles of stuff like
that video, with about a mile of twisty hairpin road at the end.

One of my techs tools me he didn't think even the hummer would make it up
one of our sites again. Time to rent the bull dozer dude to flatten things
out again.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 7:32 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Tower access is a whole different thing than a regular field tech's
> vehicle.
> I took this video while in my favorite tower access vehicle:  2004 Hyundai
> Accent.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_j2AYU4FM
>
> People tell me I need a truck.  I say why would I want to risk a perfectly
> good truck on a road like that.  If I wreck the Hyundai I'm only out like
> twelve bucks.
>
> I have some associates who are in favor of the Honda CRV as an installer
> vehicle.  They bolt a ladder rack on the roof, and they use a 3-section
> extension ladder because it's short enough for the roof of the CRV.  I have
> complaints about that setup, but I can't deny that it's a cost effective
> all wheel drive vehicle.
>
> I know another guy who had a whole fleet of Chevy Uplanders.  It's a
> minivan with a cargo variant.  I thought it was a great compromise on size
> and price.  They stopped making them at some point, and I don't know if
> there's an equivalent cargo-minivan out there now.  If there is, that's
> what I would use for wireless installs these days.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 10/19/2018 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive pickup
> trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.
>
>
>
> If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should be
> a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for parts
> and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy day.
> But the best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they
> also seem embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or
> maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?
>
>
>
> In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on
> something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather,
> the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in
> winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is
> marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>
>
>
> Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…
>
>
>
> What is the preference for work vans these days?
>
>
>
> Transit
>
> Nissan
>
> Promasters
>
> Sprinter
>
>
>
> ?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-19 Thread Adam Moffett 
Tower access is a whole different thing than a regular field tech's 
vehicle.
I took this video while in my favorite tower access vehicle:  2004 
Hyundai Accent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_j2AYU4FM

People tell me I need a truck.  I say why would I want to risk a 
perfectly good truck on a road like that.  If I wreck the Hyundai I'm 
only out like twelve bucks.


I have some associates who are in favor of the Honda CRV as an installer 
vehicle.  They bolt a ladder rack on the roof, and they use a 3-section 
extension ladder because it's short enough for the roof of the CRV.  I 
have complaints about that setup, but I can't deny that it's a cost 
effective all wheel drive vehicle.


I know another guy who had a whole fleet of Chevy Uplanders.  It's a 
minivan with a cargo variant.  I thought it was a great compromise on 
size and price.  They stopped making them at some point, and I don't 
know if there's an equivalent cargo-minivan out there now.  If there is, 
that's what I would use for wireless installs these days.


-Adam


On 10/19/2018 4:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive 
pickup trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.


If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should 
be a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching 
for parts and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it 
on a windy day. But the best medium height option seems to be the Ford 
Transit, and they also seem embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  
Ram sounds manly, or maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal thing, are you a 
Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?


In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on 
something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter 
weather, the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some 
tower sites in winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my 
Forester is marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…

What is the preference for work vans these days?

Transit

Nissan

Promasters

Sprinter

?

Paul , PDMNet





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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-19 Thread Lewis Bergman 
We have been happy with our Promaster series. We have one with the high top
long version which you do have to watch on windy days. Having said that, we
drive it regardless all around West Texas. We have the standard height
which is barely tall enough for a 6 foot guy to stand up in but it works.
It is the short wheel base version. Both work well, decent mileage. Lots of
room inside. We added some $25 Amazon LED's to bothwhich makes findiing
stuff bunches easier.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive pickup
> trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.
>
>
>
> If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should be
> a medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for parts
> and tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy day.
> But the best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they
> also seem embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or
> maybe Chevy.  Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?
>
>
>
> In my somewhat rural area, I don’t think the suspension or tires on
> something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather,
> the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in
> winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is
> marginal, a Transit Connect class van would be worse.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans
>
>
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> Been quite a while since I saw this discussed…
>
>
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> What is the preference for work vans these days?
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> Transit
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> Nissan
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> Promasters
>
> Sprinter
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>
> ?
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Re: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

2018-10-19 Thread Ken Hohhof 
My techs seem embarrassed to be seen driving a van.  Real men drive pickup
trucks.  Diesel and dually = especially manly.  And expensive.

 

If they HAVE to drive one of those sissy vans, then at least it should be a
medium roof height, tall enough to stand up in while searching for parts and
tools, but not so tall that you are afraid to drive it on a windy day.  But
the best medium height option seems to be the Ford Transit, and they also
seem embarrassed to be seen driving a Ford.  Ram sounds manly, or maybe
Chevy.  Probably a tribal thing, are you a Ford, Chevy or Mopar guy?

 

In my somewhat rural area, I don't think the suspension or tires on
something like a Transit Connect are made for our roads and winter weather,
the ground clearance also seems inadequate.  Getting to some tower sites in
winter or after a heavy rain, I sometimes feel like my Forester is marginal,
a Transit Connect class van would be worse.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 3:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Renewed discussion on work vans

 

Been quite a while since I saw this discussed.

 

What is the preference for work vans these days?

 

Transit 

Nissan 

Promasters 

Sprinter

 

?

 

Paul , PDMNet

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