Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
So then stop selling $29 - $39 plans. ;-) I guess my lowest is $31 with annual pre-pay, but most of mine are at $60. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 6:44:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity then youre already putting in 5-20 dollars worth of cable, 20-35 dollars in surge protection. 5-15 dollars in mounting hardware in incidental costs aside from the CPE there isnt really much breathing room for residential 29-39 dollar connections. Especially in cases like us who eat the CPE cost. The reality is it would be just one more piece of equipment for customers to plug in incorrectly, or even better, completely bypass. That being said, I want it, and I want it to display the MAC address of the attached device so that when a customer gets a new router to self provision they can look on the display and know what it is, we still have CS staff telling them to look on the sticker on the router.. fucking dipshits. E On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Honestly, a RB2 011 fills that ni che pretty well. Lock the LCD to display only WAN bandwidth , and disable the touchscreen. Techs can log into the RB2011 with the admin credentials and check on the wireless clients, interface errors, run speed tests (tcp) to the headend of your network, etc. $5/mo for router management a month is what we char ge, and the people that have the service love it. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/05/2014 01:18 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: blockquote I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or otherwise. On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go down instead of up. Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the price I'd have to hit for lower volume. Is this a fair assumption? Would you add such a device to each install? /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
OMG.. Stop that :) Tree == BAD for anything electronic. The tree rats take of any foreign object on its territory and for get it if you place it on a Pecan tree LOL On 10/05/2014 06:47 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote: A cap that keeps ants/worms on of SM for tree installs would be nice — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:45 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: then youre already putting in 5-20 dollars worth of cable, 20-35 dollars in surge protection. 5-15 dollars in mounting hardware in incidental costs aside from the CPE there isnt really much breathing room for residential 29-39 dollar connections. Especially in cases like us who eat the CPE cost. The reality is it would be just one more piece of equipment for customers to plug in incorrectly, or even better, completely bypass. That being said, I want it, and I want it to display the MAC address of the attached device so that when a customer gets a new router to self provision they can look on the display and know what it is, we still have CS staff telling them to look on the sticker on the router.. fucking dipshits. E On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Honestly, a RB2011 fills that niche pretty well. Lock the LCD to display only WAN bandwidth, and disable the touchscreen. Techs can log into the RB2011 with the admin credentials and check on the wireless clients, interface errors, run speed tests (tcp) to the headend of your network, etc. $5/mo for router management a month is what we charge, and the people that have the service love it. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/05/2014 01:18 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or otherwise. On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go down instead of up. Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the price I'd have
[AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820 NO mention of Mimo though.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Battery Backup with email notification alert
LOL Ive done that on a couple of really remote sites. On 10/06/2014 04:27 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: Drop a MT 750 off the non battery side and drop a ip on it, .. monitor that IP, it goes off but not the rest, guess what you are on battery! Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 � www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 06, 2014 3:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest Battery Backup with email notification alert Have some temporary locations that I can�t secure well. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net
[AFMUG] PTP820 on scene
Cambium has new 820 and it looks interesting for the 'Carrier' grade provider in us. --
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP
That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the new line. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 7:47:14 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820 NO mention of Mimo though.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP
IP-20 or IP-10? we are loving our IP-20's On 10/7/2014 8:47 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820 NO mention of Mimo though.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP
IP-20 is what I'd go with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Michael Meluskey via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 7:55:52 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP IP-20 or IP-10? we are loving our IP-20's On 10/7/2014 8:47 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820 NO�mention�of Mimo though..� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com �� @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP
Seems ip20 per modulation specs Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Michael Meluskey via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: IP-20 or IP-10? we are loving our IP-20's On 10/7/2014 8:47 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820 NO�mention�of Mimo though..� Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com �� @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Anyone have Ubiquiti UVC in stock?
Check the Uniquiti stock locator. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 3:47:58 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone have Ubiquiti UVC in stock? Does anyone have the Ubiquiti UVC cameras in stock? Not the UVC-D.
Re: [AFMUG] Cacti templates for PTP650?
RX Channel: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.5.0 TX Channel: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.6.0 Link Availability: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.20.4.0 RSSI: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.2.0 RX Data Rate: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.20.1.0 TX Data Rate: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.20.2.0 Signal Strength Ratio: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.9.0 TX Power: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.4.0 Vector Error: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.3.0 Interface Traffic: Standard SNMP Interface Stats On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about a list of the OIDs you're using? bp On 10/1/2014 11:42 AM, Eric Muehleisen via Af wrote: Bill, Negative. I exported the host template including dependancies. Also, none of the data sources contain calls to external data sources or data queries. Just good ole Get SNMP Data input method with their respective OID's. On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Eric, Got an XML parsing error on that template (not a hash error). Did you include subordinate templates in the export? It's possible yours is referencing something I don't have in my installation (like a special CDEF or something). bp On 9/30/2014 11:05 AM, Eric Muehleisen via Af wrote: I took a PTP500 and changed it slightly. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1578608/Public/cacti_host_template_cambium_ptp_650_bh.xml On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Once again, I am on a quest for a Cacti template. This time for the PTP650. Any one constructed one? I'll wait a couple of days, then probably construct one of my own. Tnx. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP
So the multi-core does approximately double the throughput. What sort of antenna requirements does it have? Opposite polarity? Spatial diversity? Different frequency? The single core version has more interface flexibility than the multi-core version? What are the differences between 4x4, 2x2 and none when the speeds are just 1x and 2x? Link distance? Your 1000base-X interfaces... how are those physically presented? SFPs? LC\SC connector? So if I want two fiber interfaces, I have to choose the slower version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 7:47:14 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820 NO mention of Mimo though.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP
Ceragon has like 4 interface port options at the bottom. We ordered 10 HP20 links this fall and they should be arriving this month...so will have more details then. -Jon Sent from iphone On Oct 7, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So the multi-core does approximately double the throughput. What sort of antenna requirements does it have? Opposite polarity? Spatial diversity? Different frequency? The single core version has more interface flexibility than the multi-core version? What are the differences between 4x4, 2x2 and none when the speeds are just 1x and 2x? Link distance? Your 1000base-X interfaces... how are those physically presented? SFPs? LC\SC connector? So if I want two fiber interfaces, I have to choose the slower version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 7:47:14 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820 NO mention of Mimo though.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP
I know the indoor or split mount versions do, but I'd never get them. Outdoor only for me. Raw DC plus fiber Ethernet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jon Langeler via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:24:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP Ceragon has like 4 interface port options at the bottom. We ordered 10 HP20 links this fall and they should be arriving this month...so will have more details then. -Jon Sent from iphone On Oct 7, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So the multi-core does approximately double the throughput. What sort of antenna requirements does it have? Opposite polarity? Spatial diversity? Different frequency? The single core version has more interface flexibility than the multi-core version? What are the differences between 4x4, 2x2 and none when the speeds are just 1x and 2x? Link distance? Your 1000base-X interfaces... how are those physically presented? SFPs? LC\SC connector? So if I want two fiber interfaces, I have to choose the slower version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 7:47:14 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820 NO mention of Mimo though.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
[AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
Pretty long thread over on the wispa list already. Looks to be widespread, no answers yet from what I saw. On 10/7/2014 9:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
Someone suggested it's the auto firmware that rolled out today? The twitter-verse has a lot of fun posts about it. Oh and: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2ik43h/belkin_firmware_update_1072014_crashing_many/ Someone else said that replacing the DNS settings on the internal machine to not use the ones handed out by the Belkin fixed their issue. -c On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ??
George, Can each of the CMMs have their own GPS antenna, or are you charged rent based on the number of antenna that you have attached? If you can have two GPS antennae, connect the two CMMs and leave them both as “Masters”. If either of the GPS antennae/receivers go out, you can change that CMM to a “Slave” and it will get Sync from the other “Master”. Best, Jonathan From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 4:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ?? I don't know why I was thinking roll-over. Must've had something else in my head. In the manual that Sean linked to, it says: 1 = 2 2 = 1 5 = 6 6 = 5 3 4 on both ends are not used. On 10/6/2014 4:53 PM, Craig House via Af wrote: Are you saying that you cross one and two with five and six or that you cross one and two and cross five and six Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2014, at 16:50, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: D'oh! Yeah, I was totally wrong. You cross 12 and 56 between CMMs. On 10/6/2014 4:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Thank you... saved me the time typing it from memory or looking it up. Although usually I'm telling people how to do this with a packetflux sync product. -forrest On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: it's in the cmm3.0 manual on page 48 the cambium site. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I have to hook up a CMM to a tower that already has a CMM on it, like today. There is a “timing” 6 pin connector on the CMM. Can that be used to bridge the sync to the 2nd CMM? If so, how would that be wired, and what setting would I make in the CMM(s) so that it would know to use it Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
Im so looking forward to these calls On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Someone suggested it's the auto firmware that rolled out today? The twitter-verse has a lot of fun posts about it. Oh and: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2ik43h/belkin_firmware_update_1072014_crashing_many/ Someone else said that replacing the DNS settings on the internal machine to not use the ones handed out by the Belkin fixed their issue. -c On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
We are also experiencing the issue. We found the routers are sending icmp to heartbeat.belkin.com. Even though we could get a response here at our NOC, the belkins are not receiving it. We added the ip for heartbeat.belkin.com as a loopback address on a router on our network and it becomes reachable to all the belkins on our network. Lo, and Behold! They all work again. On 10/7/2014 10:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson via Af wrote: Someone suggested it's the auto firmware that rolled out today? The twitter-verse has a lot of fun posts about it. Oh and: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2ik43h/belkin_firmware_update_1072014_crashing_many/ Someone else said that replacing the DNS settings on the internal machine to not use the ones handed out by the Belkin fixed their issue. -c On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
[AFMUG] credit checks
My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit checks on potential new customers. While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit checks who can share what they're doing. What company are you using? How much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up?
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
Tell them it’s like the Battle of Naboo where Anakin destroys the control ship and the droid army stops dead in its tracks. Customer is like Jar Jar with quizzical look on face. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Im so looking forward to these calls On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Someone suggested it's the auto firmware that rolled out today? The twitter-verse has a lot of fun posts about it. Oh and: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2ik43h/belkin_firmware_update_1072014_crashing_many/ Someone else said that replacing the DNS settings on the internal machine to not use the ones handed out by the Belkin fixed their issue. -c On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Mimosa fails to deliver
Even the test links our Distributor should have gotten did not arrive. So seems like another marketing driven company.
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
geek level 10 right there On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Tell them it’s like the Battle of Naboo where Anakin destroys the control ship and the droid army stops dead in its tracks. Customer is like Jar Jar with quizzical look on face. *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Im so looking forward to these calls On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Someone suggested it's the auto firmware that rolled out today? The twitter-verse has a lot of fun posts about it. Oh and: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2ik43h/belkin_firmware_update_1072014_crashing_many/ Someone else said that replacing the DNS settings on the internal machine to not use the ones handed out by the Belkin fixed their issue. -c On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 419.837.5015%20x%201021 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] credit checks
Be careful with credit checks, everyone. Running credit checks (or any other type of consumer report) on customers, employees, and job applicants likely will trigger the provisions of the Fair Credit Reporting Act. There are a number of requirements that you MUST follow under the FCRA in order to have any kind of report run on your customers. For those of you who use background check providers for these purposes, you still have to have very specific consents and disclosures and you can't just take the forms they give you as-is. There are specific changes and edits you have to make to them (no matter what they might tell you). If you're running any kind of check on customers, employees, and job applicants, hit me up off-list so we can chat about what you're doing. FCRA violations are easy to rack up, extremely difficult to defend against if your practices are wrong, and very expensive. However, at the same time, they are easy to avoid. If you get the right forms to the customer/employee/applicant and get them signed first, it's pretty simple. It's a 1-2 hour investment in time up front to save you tens of thousands of dollars later. Doug -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] credit checks You could start by looking up their circuit court case history. Then you could look at the federal court case history to see if they have any bankruptcies. Keefe On 10/7/2014 9:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit checks on potential new customers. While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit checks who can share what they're doing. What company are you using? How much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up? Doug Hass Associate 312.786.6502 Franczek Radelet P.C. Celebrating 20 Years | 1994-2014 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400 Chicago, IL 60606 312.986.0300 - Main 312.986.9192 - Fax www.franczek.com Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or tax-related matter herein. For more information about Franczek Radelet P.C., please visit franczek.com. The information contained in this e-mail message or any attachment may be confidential and/or privileged, and is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Franczek Radelet is committed to sustainability - please consider the environment before printing this email
Re: [AFMUG] credit checks
That's the same thing we found. Too much work for what you get in return... even people with good credit will stop paying the bills they know can't really effect their credit score. Travis On 10/7/2014 9:00 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: meh too much work. get payment upfront for as much as possible (install and first month) bill ahead for the month instead of behind and turn off service quickly for non-payment. credit checks are too expensive and bothersome. 2 cents -sean On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit checks on potential new customers. While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit checks who can share what they're doing. What company are you using? How much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up?
Re: [AFMUG] credit checks
Credit checks aren’t as expensive or bothersome as they used to be, but this is a good approach, too. One suggestion from a business standpoint is to give customers the option to pay the install costs up front or over time, with some small discount for doing it up front. Getting paid up front for the month, rather than in arrears, is pretty easy, even for existing customers. Doug From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] credit checks meh too much work. get payment upfront for as much as possible (install and first month) bill ahead for the month instead of behind and turn off service quickly for non-payment. credit checks are too expensive and bothersome. 2 cents -sean On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit checks on potential new customers. While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit checks who can share what they're doing. What company are you using? How much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up? Doug Hass Associate 312.786.6502 Franczek Radelet P.C. Celebrating 20 Years | 1994-2014 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400 Chicago, IL 60606 312.986.0300 - Main 312.986.9192 - Fax www.franczek.com Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or tax-related matter herein. For more information about Franczek Radelet P.C., please visit franczek.com. The information contained in this e-mail message or any attachment may be confidential and/or privileged, and is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Franczek Radelet is committed to sustainability - please consider the environment before printing this email
Re: [AFMUG] credit checks
The trouble is the primary comptetion (Time Warner Cable) does free installs and then lets you go 90 days before they shut you off. I have to try not to be a meaner guy than them. meh too much work. get payment upfront for as much as possible (install and first month) bill ahead for the month instead of behind and turn off service quickly for non-payment. credit checks are too expensive and bothersome. 2 cents -sean On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit checks on potential new customers. While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit checks who can share what they're doing. What company are you using? How much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up?
Re: [AFMUG] credit checks
I'm with Sean. We are a prepaid service and shut people off within 20 days. Charge for the install up front. It's not worth the hassle. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: meh too much work. get payment upfront for as much as possible (install and first month) bill ahead for the month instead of behind and turn off service quickly for non-payment. credit checks are too expensive and bothersome. 2 cents -sean On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit checks on potential new customers. While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit checks who can share what they're doing. What company are you using? How much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up?
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
I have to admit there is something satisfying about getting this many complaints and being able to blame it on somebody else. We did get a call from one guy that said he was going to have to find a different provider if we couldn't fix it... yeah, that should work well for him. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Im so looking forward to these calls On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Someone suggested it's the auto firmware that rolled out today? The twitter-verse has a lot of fun posts about it. Oh and: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2ik43h/belkin_firmware_update_1072014_crashing_many/ Someone else said that replacing the DNS settings on the internal machine to not use the ones handed out by the Belkin fixed their issue. -c On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021tel:419.837.5015%20x%201021 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] managing radios in an ospf network with a failed link
If the backhaul is in a chain, we generally put their management IPs in a /30 from the local router. So there is a separate /30 at each end of the link. If the backhaul is in a cul-de-sac, we might put them in a /29 from the near-end (the end closest to the backbone). However, we mostly do the /30, as it is an easy way to prevent the management IPs becoming part of a public route. bp On 10/6/2014 7:44 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: This came up before, but I cant find the thread. is the attached configuration the correct way to set up access to the radios? I had initially thought having the radios in the same subnet is how it is supposed to be, primarily because thats how it always was, but with having the radios in a /30 on each side of the link you would be able to access the local side radio if the link were to drop. Is this the correct way of looking at this or is there a better method of maintaining access in a dynamic environment?? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] managing radios in an ospf network with a failed link
good deal, so im not going to monkey things up? if it is ospf, even with /30 on each end, the radios should be able to communicate, only via their ethernet ports through the routers if you were going to run speedtest? On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If the backhaul is in a chain, we generally put their management IPs in a /30 from the local router. So there is a separate /30 at each end of the link. If the backhaul is in a cul-de-sac, we might put them in a /29 from the near-end (the end closest to the backbone). However, we mostly do the /30, as it is an easy way to prevent the management IPs becoming part of a public route. bp On 10/6/2014 7:44 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: This came up before, but I cant find the thread. is the attached configuration the correct way to set up access to the radios? I had initially thought having the radios in the same subnet is how it is supposed to be, primarily because thats how it always was, but with having the radios in a /30 on each side of the link you would be able to access the local side radio if the link were to drop. Is this the correct way of looking at this or is there a better method of maintaining access in a dynamic environment?? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
We are seeing this also.. Belkin domain is down Also be aware that the belkins use heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see if there is internet access and if the answer comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet. Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware which do bad things to the wan side of things. I am currently trying to spoof heartbeat.belkin.com to our internal dns to fool the router into thinking everything is ok. On 10/07/2014 09:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren
Re: [AFMUG] Cacti templates for PTP650?
Thanks Eric, I had just worked those out thumbing through the MIB. I was struggling with the traffic until I figured out that the standard interface stats did it. But this confirms most of what I had noodled through yesterday. bp On 10/7/2014 6:18 AM, Eric Muehleisen via Af wrote: RX Channel: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.5.0 TX Channel: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.6.0 Link Availability: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.20.4.0 RSSI: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.2.0 RX Data Rate: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.20.1.0 TX Data Rate: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.20.2.0 Signal Strength Ratio: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.9.0 TX Power: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.4.0 Vector Error: .1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.7.12.3.0 Interface Traffic: Standard SNMP Interface Stats On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: How about a list of the OIDs you're using? bp On 10/1/2014 11:42 AM, Eric Muehleisen via Af wrote: Bill, Negative. I exported the host template including dependancies. Also, none of the data sources contain calls to external data sources or data queries. Just good ole Get SNMP Data input method with their respective OID's. On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Eric, Got an XML parsing error on that template (not a hash error). Did you include subordinate templates in the export? It's possible yours is referencing something I don't have in my installation (like a special CDEF or something). bp On 9/30/2014 11:05 AM, Eric Muehleisen via Af wrote: I took a PTP500 and changed it slightly. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1578608/Public/cacti_host_template_cambium_ptp_650_bh.xml On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Once again, I am on a quest for a Cacti template. This time for the PTP650. Any one constructed one? I'll wait a couple of days, then probably construct one of my own. Tnx. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] managing radios in an ospf network with a failed link
When we speedtest a link, we generally go router-router via their private router IDs. Leave the privates of the backhauls out of the equation (let them be transparent). bp On 10/7/2014 8:38 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: good deal, so im not going to monkey things up? if it is ospf, even with /30 on each end, the radios should be able to communicate, only via their ethernet ports through the routers if you were going to run speedtest? On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: If the backhaul is in a chain, we generally put their management IPs in a /30 from the local router. So there is a separate /30 at each end of the link. If the backhaul is in a cul-de-sac, we might put them in a /29 from the near-end (the end closest to the backbone). However, we mostly do the /30, as it is an easy way to prevent the management IPs becoming part of a public route. bp On 10/6/2014 7:44 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: This came up before, but I cant find the thread. is the attached configuration the correct way to set up access to the radios? I had initially thought having the radios in the same subnet is how it is supposed to be, primarily because thats how it always was, but with having the radios in a /30 on each side of the link you would be able to access the local side radio if the link were to drop. Is this the correct way of looking at this or is there a better method of maintaining access in a dynamic environment?? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that point forward everytime a customer has any issue. just do that brokeback loop thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one of the internal router appears to fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are seeing this also.. Belkin domain is down Also be aware that the belkins use heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see if there is internet access and if the answer comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet. Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware which do bad things to the wan side of things. I am currently trying to spoof heartbeat.belkin.com to our internal dns to fool the router into thinking everything is ok. On 10/07/2014 09:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know I did it... but I don't like messing with the network to fix things that aren't really my problem anyway, it would be nice to make those calls stop, but it doesn't seem worth it. I'm still a bit confused how that is making it work anyway though, since I can ping that IP... how does putting it on an internal router make it work? for those who have done it, is your router giving any HTTP response on that IP? From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that point forward everytime a customer has any issue. just do that brokeback loop thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one of the internal router appears to fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077tel:512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.comhttp://www.westernbroadband.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are seeing this also.. Belkin domain is down Also be aware that the belkins use heartbeat.belkin.comhttp://heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see if there is internet access and if the answer comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet. Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware which do bad things to the wan side of things. I am currently trying to spoof heartbeat.belkin.comhttp://heartbeat.belkin.com to our internal dns to fool the router into thinking everything is ok. On 10/07/2014 09:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
Exactly... We are setting up an RPZ to handle this.. On 10/07/2014 10:43 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: That seemsstupid. If Belkin goes out of business, all their routers become bricks? Also be aware that the belkins use heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see if there is internet access and if the answer comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
I will sell you a different brand router, I’ll even configure it for you, come to our office and pick it up. Or you can sign up for our managed router program, it’s $X per month, and you can come pick up the router. Or you can call Belkin support at 800-223-5546 (and likely pay for “premium support”). From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that point forward everytime a customer has any issue. just do that brokeback loop thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one of the internal router appears to fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are seeing this also.. Belkin domain is down Also be aware that the belkins use heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see if there is internet access and if the answer comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet. Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware which do bad things to the wan side of things. I am currently trying to spoof heartbeat.belkin.com to our internal dns to fool the router into thinking everything is ok. On 10/07/2014 09:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
We did torch (one of the Mikrotik tools), that allows me to see the destination address of 67.20.176.130, with protocol and the number of source address accessing that. The number of source address trying to access that was very high. Since morning we must have taken over 20 to 25 calls on the subject. So from the resource stand point it was more efficient for us to implement loopback response then to keep taking the call. We did not tell any customers what we did to fix it. How it works: it appears that those Belkin routers were just trying to ping the that ip address, so by putting loop back on our network, we are essentially responding to that ip address and that make the Belkin router happy. As you mentioned below that you were able to ping it, earlier we were not able to ping that ip address, may be they have already fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 http://www.westernbroadband.com/ www.westernbroadband.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know I did it... but I don't like messing with the network to fix things that aren't really my problem anyway, it would be nice to make those calls stop, but it doesn't seem worth it. I'm still a bit confused how that is making it work anyway though, since I can ping that IP... how does putting it on an internal router make it work? for those who have done it, is your router giving any HTTP response on that IP? _ From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that point forward everytime a customer has any issue. just do that brokeback loop thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one of the internal router appears to fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are seeing this also.. Belkin domain is down Also be aware that the belkins use heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see if there is internet access and if the answer comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet. Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware which do bad things to the wan side of things. I am currently trying to spoof heartbeat.belkin.com to our internal dns to fool the router into thinking everything is ok. On 10/07/2014 09:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
odd... when I first tried pinging it, we had a customer on the phone with the issue (as well as a few after that). I wonder if the routers needed to be rebooted after it came back up before they work. As long as the customers don't know you fixed it, there shouldn't really be much of a worry that customers will make it your problem in the future. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Tushar Patel via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We did “torch” (one of the Mikrotik tools), that allows me to see the destination address of 67.20.176.130, with protocol and the number of source address accessing that. The number of source address trying to access that was very high. Since morning we must have taken over 20 to 25 calls on the subject. So from the resource stand point it was more efficient for us to implement loopback response then to keep taking the call. We did not tell any customers what we did to fix it. How it works: it appears that those Belkin routers were just trying to ping the that ip address, so by putting loop back on our network, we are essentially responding to that ip address and that make the Belkin router happy. As you mentioned below that you were able to ping it, earlier we were not able to ping that ip address, may be they have already fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.comhttp://www.westernbroadband.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know I did it... but I don't like messing with the network to fix things that aren't really my problem anyway, it would be nice to make those calls stop, but it doesn't seem worth it. I'm still a bit confused how that is making it work anyway though, since I can ping that IP... how does putting it on an internal router make it work? for those who have done it, is your router giving any HTTP response on that IP? From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that point forward everytime a customer has any issue. just do that brokeback loop thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one of the internal router appears to fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077tel:512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.comhttp://www.westernbroadband.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are seeing this also.. Belkin domain is down Also be aware that the belkins use heartbeat.belkin.comhttp://heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see if there is internet access and if the answer comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet. Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware which do bad things to the wan side of things. I am currently trying to spoof heartbeat.belkin.comhttp://heartbeat.belkin.com to our internal dns to fool the router into thinking everything is ok. On 10/07/2014 09:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies
Programming 450 3.65 SM's. See a new button under 'Custom Frequencies' called 'Default Frequencies'. Anyway to push that button with SNMP?
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa fails to deliver
LOL! Love it and so true Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: cu03w.png Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa fails to deliver They are still testing and tweaking firmware. They are not vaporware and are actively updating the Beta community. I can't say much more yet but that they are continually updating those of us in the Beta group and are working on tweaking the software to be as reliable as possible before releasing the product. Give them 1-2 more months and we should see good things. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Even the test links our Distributor should have gotten did not arrive. So seems like another marketing driven company. -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
Its a matter of principle, we all know belkin is junk, today only proves it further. By fixing it on your end, your customers dont experience the junk first hand They sing the praises of their shit router because youre behind the scenes fixing belkins fuckup Now they recomend them to their friends. So yes, you are in fact training your customers to make it your problem everytime On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: odd... when I first tried pinging it, we had a customer on the phone with the issue (as well as a few after that). I wonder if the routers needed to be rebooted after it came back up before they work. As long as the customers don't know you fixed it, there shouldn't really be much of a worry that customers will make it your problem in the future. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Tushar Patel via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We did “torch” (one of the Mikrotik tools), that allows me to see the destination address of 67.20.176.130, with protocol and the number of source address accessing that. The number of source address trying to access that was very high. Since morning we must have taken over 20 to 25 calls on the subject. So from the resource stand point it was more efficient for us to implement loopback response then to keep taking the call. We did not tell any customers what we did to fix it. How it works: it appears that those Belkin routers were just trying to ping the that ip address, so by putting loop back on our network, we are essentially responding to that ip address and that make the Belkin router happy. As you mentioned below that you were able to ping it, earlier we were not able to ping that ip address, may be they have already fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:18 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know I did it... but I don't like messing with the network to fix things that aren't really my problem anyway, it would be nice to make those calls stop, but it doesn't seem worth it. I'm still a bit confused how that is making it work anyway though, since I can ping that IP... how does putting it on an internal router make it work? for those who have done it, is your router giving any HTTP response on that IP? -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:06 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that point forward everytime a customer has any issue. just do that brokeback loop thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one of the internal router appears to fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are seeing this also.. Belkin domain is down Also be aware that the belkins use heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see if there is internet access and if the answer comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet. Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware which do bad things to the wan side of things. I am currently trying to spoof heartbeat.belkin.com to our internal dns to fool the router into thinking everything is ok. On 10/07/2014 09:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you.
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
we have replaced 10+ routers in the last 2 days. mostly linksys wrt54g, gs, or L. I have been wondering if anyone else was seeing a huge amount of routers dying or needing power cycled constantly over the weekend. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I agree, which is why I won't do stuff like that - it is a matter of principle... besides, I'm not the guy that has to answer the phones. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Its a matter of principle, we all know belkin is junk, today only proves it further. By fixing it on your end, your customers dont experience the junk first hand They sing the praises of their shit router because youre behind the scenes fixing belkins fuckup Now they recomend them to their friends. So yes, you are in fact training your customers to make it your problem everytime On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: odd... when I first tried pinging it, we had a customer on the phone with the issue (as well as a few after that). I wonder if the routers needed to be rebooted after it came back up before they work. As long as the customers don't know you fixed it, there shouldn't really be much of a worry that customers will make it your problem in the future. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Tushar Patel via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We did “torch” (one of the Mikrotik tools), that allows me to see the destination address of 67.20.176.130, with protocol and the number of source address accessing that. The number of source address trying to access that was very high. Since morning we must have taken over 20 to 25 calls on the subject. So from the resource stand point it was more efficient for us to implement loopback response then to keep taking the call. We did not tell any customers what we did to fix it. How it works: it appears that those Belkin routers were just trying to ping the that ip address, so by putting loop back on our network, we are essentially responding to that ip address and that make the Belkin router happy. As you mentioned below that you were able to ping it, earlier we were not able to ping that ip address, may be they have already fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:18 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know I did it... but I don't like messing with the network to fix things that aren't really my problem anyway, it would be nice to make those calls stop, but it doesn't seem worth it. I'm still a bit confused how that is making it work anyway though, since I can ping that IP... how does putting it on an internal router make it work? for those who have done it, is your router giving any HTTP response on that IP? -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:06 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that point forward everytime a customer has any issue. just do that brokeback loop thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one of the internal router appears to fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are seeing this also.. Belkin domain is down Also be aware that the belkins use heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see if there is internet access and if the answer comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet. Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware which do bad things to the wan side of things. I am currently trying to spoof heartbeat.belkin.com to our internal dns to fool the router into thinking everything is ok. On 10/07/2014 09:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin.
[AFMUG] Platypus Update and Event Scheduler Issues
All: I wish Platypus would have proactively emailed us about this...but I just called support and found out this. I've been pulling my hair out for some time after a Platypus update. It appears that the latest version released on 9/24 (literally the day after I upgraded last) has an issue with processing referrals. It causes the event status to get tagged as processing and never finishes. As a result, additional events never run because the status is stuck on processing. I can confirm the latest release fixes this issue. Regards, Chuck
Re: [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build32) Beta Software is Now Available!
When updating too 13.2x if under 'protocol filter' if all others is checked will it automatically add 'all ipv6' during the update? If not would be very nice. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:09 PM, John Mehling via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Folks, Software version 13.2(Build32) has been added to the Cambium Open Beta program for PMP450, PMP430, and PTP230. Please go here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/beta if you would like to test the new load and offer feedback on the Beta Forum. Fixes in this release include: • Fix for Motorola Binary GPS based devices (CMM2, SyncPipe, etc) • Fix for PTP450 link test with small packets causing session drop and/or invalid readings This version also adds OID support for IPv6 packet filtering. As always, we look forward to your feedback. Thank you! -John *John Mehling* Senior Engineer - Support *Cambium Networks* 3800 Golf Rd., Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.com [image: v_large_blue_noBG.png]
Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies
Hi, There is no SNMP support to push the Default Frequencies button, yet. Like Joe pointed out, the OIDs below will allow you to populate the list with a single set command. Also, all new radios out of the box will have the default list populated (or when you factory default them). Please let us know if that is not the case. Thanks, Sriram -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Cracchiolo via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies There is a pair of new MIB's for that, WHISP-BOX-MIBV2-MIB::addCustomFreqList.0 and WHISP-BOX-MIBV2-MIB::removeCustomFreqList.0 in v13.2 b32. I haven't tried that on MIB value yet to see how well it works. You can also use a curl command to program frequencies in the older firmware. Joe On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:01, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Programming 450 3.65 SM's. See a new button under 'Custom Frequencies' called 'Default Frequencies'. Anyway to push that button with SNMP?
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
If you use the new UBNT surgeprotectors* (or something like them), then your outdoor run would technically terminate at that box, and then you'd have a second (probably much shorter) run from that box into the home. It would be much more likely for the primarily 'outdoor' cable to have water in it than the much shorter run inside the home. Also, we always slice the bottom of our drip loops to let water weep out. [* - I have no idea if these are shipping] Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 04:20 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I used to be really excited about all-in-one CPE units until I realized that where now I have to change out the occasional PoE due to water\lightning\whatever damage... then I'd have to change out the entire unit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, October 5, 2014 4:25:38 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity Chris Sisler - RF Armor has/is creating a Customer AP with POE built-in but it doesn't have a display as far as I know to show status or anything like that. He is working on getting out the Tower/WISP switches first I think and then the Customer AP. http://www.netonix.com/cap-fxs-1.html On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or otherwise. On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go down instead of up. Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the price I'd have to hit for lower volume. Is this a fair assumption? Would you add such a device to each install? -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
I've been pinging hearbeat.belkin.com for a couple of hours now and it just went down hard. -Ty On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1369/Belkin.html Take your pick. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 06:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? �� What's the deal with that?, �� Darren
Re: [AFMUG] 450 12.1.3 build to newest?
You'll probably get a few different answers. We are on 12.2.2 on most of our PMP450s. We have one small POP experimenting with 13.2 (build 25). If there are no big squawks about build 30, we will probably try that on the small POP this weekend. bp On 10/7/2014 11:14 AM, Andreas Wiatowski via Af wrote: Just wondering what build is recommended as being most stable. Our entire 450 network is still at 12.1.3 . Can we upgrade straight to the recommended build? Cheers,
Re: [AFMUG] 450 12.1.3 build to newest?
Andreas, 13.1.3 is the latest version for PMP450. https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450 You should not have any problems upgrading from 12.1.3 to 13.1.3, but please try it on your network with baby steps. 13.2 is due out shortly, and is currently in Open Beta. https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450 Best, Jonathan From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450 12.1.3 build to newest? Just wondering what build is recommended as being most stable. Our entire 450 network is still at 12.1.3 . Can we upgrade straight to the recommended build? Cheers, Andreas Wiatowski Director / CEO Silo Wireless Inc. p: 519 449-5656 / 1-866-727-4138 x600 [cid:3489042966_113460876]http://silowireless.com/ [cid:3489042966_113480036] http://twitter.com/#!/silowireless [cid:3489042966_113467566] http://www.facebook.com/silowireless This email and any files transmitted with it are CONFIDENTIAL and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the email to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] 450 12.1.3 build to newest?
13.1.3 if you insist on production, 13.2 beta Build 32 if you are OK with beta that has been beat on a lot. I would definitely upgrade to 13.something if you are on 12.anything. From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 12.1.3 build to newest? You'll probably get a few different answers. We are on 12.2.2 on most of our PMP450s. We have one small POP experimenting with 13.2 (build 25). If there are no big squawks about build 30, we will probably try that on the small POP this weekend. bpOn 10/7/2014 11:14 AM, Andreas Wiatowski via Af wrote: Just wondering what build is recommended as being most stable. Our entire 450 network is still at 12.1.3 . Can we upgrade straight to the recommended build? Cheers,
Re: [AFMUG] Platypus Update and Event Scheduler Issues
Yup, I got hit by that one too. All: I wish Platypus would have proactively emailed us about this...but I just called support and found out this. I've been pulling my hair out for some time after a Platypus update. It appears that the latest version released on 9/24 (literally the day after I upgraded last) has an issue with processing referrals. It causes the event status to get tagged as processing and never finishes. As a result, additional events never run because the status is stuck on processing. I can confirm the latest release fixes this issue. Regards, Chuck
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa fails to deliver
Spoke with engineer from Syscom that they have been trying to get units for testing in lab with traffic generators and intentional interference. No luck. Syscom sells thousands of Ubiquiti and Cambium radios a month. Jaime Solorza On Oct 7, 2014 8:57 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Even the test links our Distributor should have gotten did not arrive. So seems like another marketing driven company.
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
And also if you have to do a cable rerun or move the antenna, you can do it without requiring the customer to be home. If I remember right (Chuck or somebody can probably confirm this), you should be doing this anyway due to electrical code requirements (grounding before entry into the home). Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 10:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Yeah, I had thought about those (and the WB versions). It's a hassle that may be worth doing to avoid other hassles. Would also provide a point to test from that's outside if necessary. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:55:56 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity If you use the new UBNT surgeprotectors* (or something like them), then your outdoor run would technically terminate at that box, and then you'd have a second (probably much shorter) run from that box into the home. It would be much more likely for the primarily 'outdoor' cable to have water in it than the much shorter run inside the home. Also, we always slice the bottom of our drip loops to let water weep out. [* - I have no idea if these are shipping] Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 04:20 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I used to be really excited about all-in-one CPE units until I realized that where now I have to change out the occasional PoE due to water\lightning\whatever damage... then I'd have to change out the entire unit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, October 5, 2014 4:25:38 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity Chris Sisler - RF Armor has/is creating a Customer AP with POE built-in but it doesn't have a display as far as I know to show status or anything like that. He is working on getting out the Tower/WISP switches first I think and then the Customer AP. http://www.netonix.com/cap-fxs-1.html On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or otherwise. On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa fails to deliver
Probably didn't sign the nda about the nda. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Spoke with engineer from Syscom that they have been trying to get units for testing in lab with traffic generators and intentional interference. No luck. Syscom sells thousands of Ubiquiti and Cambium radios a month. Jaime Solorza On Oct 7, 2014 8:57 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Even the test links our Distributor should have gotten did not arrive. So seems like another marketing driven company.
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
Yeah, but few do. If you do, you're supposed to bond it with the main facility ground... which I know the cableco, telco and satelliteco don't do. Heck, even the experts that come around putting lightning rods on everything... don't bond it to the main ground. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 2:06:53 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity And also if you have to do a cable rerun or move the antenna, you can do it without requiring the customer to be home. If I remember right (Chuck or somebody can probably confirm this), you should be doing this anyway due to electrical code requirements (grounding before entry into the home). Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 10:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Yeah, I had thought about those (and the WB versions). It's a hassle that may be worth doing to avoid other hassles. Would also provide a point to test from that's outside if necessary. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:55:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity If you use the new UBNT surge protectors* (or something like them), then your out door run would technically terminate at that box, and then you'd have a second (probably much shorter) run from that box into the home. It would be much more likely for the primar ily 'outdoor' cable to have water in it than the much shorter run inside the home. Also, we always slice the bottom of our drip loops to le t water weep out. [* - I have no idea if these are shipping ] Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 04:20 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: blockquote I used to be really excited about all-in-one CPE units until I realized that where now I have to change out the occasional PoE due to water\lightning\whatever damage... then I'd have to change out the entire unit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 4:25:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity Chris Sisler - RF Armor has/is creating a Customer AP with POE built-in but it doesn't have a display as far as I know to show status or anything like that. He is working on getting out the Tower/WISP switches first I think and then the Customer AP. http://www.netonix.com/cap-fxs-1.html On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or otherwise. On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
And if you don’t use coax or shielded cable, there is actually nothing to “ground”. A surge protector is not the same as a ground block. If you look at the ground block for satellite TV, it has no surge protector, it is just grounding the shield of the coax. And if anyone was still using 300 ohm twinlead, you would be hard pressed to ground that at the building entrance, you would have to use a balun and convert it to 75 ohm coax. Part of the logic behind grounding the coax, I think, is first the shield may be electrically connected to the mast at the antenna, and second you have a much heavier conductor for surges than just a 24 AWG cable. And if you compare to telephone wiring, there are gas tubes in the NID, but I don’t think they ground the conductors. And they used to put the lightning protectors inside the house, the main reason the NID moved outside the house was the court decision that customers could own their own phones, so the telcos created a demarc outside the house and anything beyond that demarc was customer owned and maintained. In commercial and multitenant buildings, you still often see the 50 pair or whatever drop cable come directly into the building where the lightning protectors are in an indoor demarc cabinet. From: Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 2:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity The code part is debatable. An antenna cable would definitely need to be grounded somehow, but we're bringing the low voltage data cable into the house, not an antenna cable. If that needs a surge protector, then so does every doorbell, camera, sensor, landscaping light, and so on. Whether it's a good idea and whether it's required by code are two separate points though. It's definitely a good idea. And also if you have to do a cable rerun or move the antenna, you can do it without requiring the customer to be home. If I remember right (Chuck or somebody can probably confirm this), you should be doing this anyway due to electrical code requirements (grounding before entry into the home). Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 10:59 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Yeah, I had thought about those (and the WB versions). It's a hassle that may be worth doing to avoid other hassles. Would also provide a point to test from that's outside if necessary. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:55:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity If you use the new UBNT surge protectors* (or something like them), then your outdoor run would technically terminate at that box, and then you'd have a second (probably much shorter) run from that box into the home. It would be much more likely for the primarily 'outdoor' cable to have water in it than the much shorter run inside the home. Also, we always slice the bottom of our drip loops to let water weep out. [* - I have no idea if these are shipping] Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 04:20 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I used to be really excited about all-in-one CPE units until I realized that where now I have to change out the occasional PoE due to water\lightning\whatever damage... then I'd have to change out the entire unit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Darin Steffl via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 4:25:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity Chris Sisler - RF Armor has/is creating a Customer AP with POE built-in but it doesn't have a display as far as I know to show status or anything like that. He is working on getting out the Tower/WISP switches first I think and then the Customer AP. http://www.netonix.com/cap-fxs-1.html On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or otherwise. On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an
Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies
Does this work? snmpset -v 2c -c Canopy 169.254.1.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s 365250,365500,365750,366000,366250,366500,366750,367000,367250,367500,367750,368000,368250,368500,368750,369000,369250,369500,369750 Started just breaking it in two to get it to work. We program all sm settings through SNMP before they go out the door. Much faster and less error prone then going through the web interface. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi Matt, The length of the OID string is limited to 128 characters (commas included). The string you have below is 118 characters, so it's odd that it doesn’t work. Double check to make sure there are no leading or trailing spaces. I tried the same string and it worked for me. Hit me up offline if you are having trouble with this. IPv6 filter settings are not supported through SNMP in Release 13.2. Thanks, Sriram -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies Sriram, I found this works. snmpset -v 2c -c $community $ip .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s 365500,365750,366000,366250,366500,366750,367000,367250,367500,367750,368000,368250,368500,368750,369000,369250,369500 snmpset -v 2c -c $community $ip .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s 365250,369750 I still cannot do them all at once, it gives an error. On a related topic. This sets the IPv4 all filter. snmpset -v 2c -c $community $ip .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.132.0 i 1 What sets the IPv6 all filter? Thanks. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, There is no SNMP support to push the Default Frequencies button, yet. Like Joe pointed out, the OIDs below will allow you to populate the list with a single set command. Also, all new radios out of the box will have the default list populated (or when you factory default them). Please let us know if that is not the case. Thanks, Sriram -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Cracchiolo via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies There is a pair of new MIB's for that, WHISP-BOX-MIBV2-MIB::addCustomFreqList.0 and WHISP-BOX-MIBV2-MIB::removeCustomFreqList.0 in v13.2 b32. I haven't tried that on MIB value yet to see how well it works. You can also use a curl command to program frequencies in the older firmware. Joe On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:01, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Programming 450 3.65 SM's. See a new button under 'Custom Frequencies' called 'Default Frequencies'. Anyway to push that button with SNMP?
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
I don't wanna grow up, I'm a Toys-R-Us kid... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 12:10 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: Star Wars really? Star Trek yes..Star Wars is for kids. Jaime Solorza On Oct 7, 2014 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Tell them it’s like the Battle of Naboo where Anakin destroys the control ship and the droid army stops dead in its tracks. Customer is like Jar Jar with quizzical look on face. *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Im so looking forward to these calls On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Someone suggested it's the auto firmware that rolled out today? The twitter-verse has a lot of fun posts about it. Oh and: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2ik43h/belkin_firmware_update_1072014_crashing_many/ Someone else said that replacing the DNS settings on the internal machine to not use the ones handed out by the Belkin fixed their issue. -c On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 13 customers so far today - all Belkin. Powned? Mark On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net mailto:m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 tel:419.837.5015%20x%201021 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Sync and link speed on 310 foot run with ePMP APs
I'd be curious if your experience was the same with say a cambium gigabit injector in there. Not quite Apples to apples but closer than a gigabit vs non gigabit injector. Midspan gigabit injectors definitely add some signal loss due to the Ethernet magnetics in the path. At least a couple dB. I've also noticed that certain surge suppressors are even more picky with the gigabit injectors. Not sure why. On Oct 7, 2014 2:30 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just wanted to give a heads up on our experience with our first run at trying ePMPs at this distance of cable run. We mounted 4 5 Ghz and 4 2.4 Ghz ePMP APs today (a retrofit from 100 series APs). We have an existing CMM Micro that has been at the tower for 5 or 6 years. We needed more ports with Sync so we attempted to use a Gigabit Syncinjector for the additional ports we needed. We put the 2.4 Ghz radios on the CMM and put the 5 Ghz on the SyncInjector. The CMM and the “LAN facing” ports on the Syncinjector, powered by the same 5 AMP/24v power supply that we use for CTM’s, plugged into a 2011 Mikrotik router. The CMM works flawlessly, providing 100Mbit connections and sync . The SyncInjector… not so much. Initially, the symptoms were that 1 of the APs would only connect 10 Mbit and 1 different one would not get Sync.We tried swapping know good (successful on the CMM) cables, changing ports on the SyncInjector to make sure we didn’t have cable or AP related issues etc. Eventually, we lost ability to do Sync on any of the APs, and 2 of the 4 will only do 10 Mbit. Tried it with both 100Mbit and Gbit ports on the 2011, in auto or static Speed/Duplex configs. No go. The cables being used were both Best-Tronics and Toughcable Carrier. All the toughcables were premade to the 300 feet and tested inhouse at Gigabit speeds (TIK to TIK tests) Going to have to climb again tomorrow with a second CMM to swapout for the SyncInjector. We normally have very good luck with SyncInjectors but at 300 feet distance with the Gigabit models, we couldn’t make it work in this application. Cambium had “advised us” that there may be abnormal challenges with 300 ft. of cable on the ePMP. Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
In the past I wouldn't have had a problem recommending Linksys, but now that they're owned by Belkin, I wouldn't recommend them... actually, I wouldn't recommend them anymore if they were still owned by Cisco either, but that's a whole different thing. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Matt via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We typically recommend Linksys for a home router. Actually have had decent luck with them plus by having mostly one brand out there its easier to walk customers through things. Refuse to sell routers right now. If it quits 30 miles away they expect a service call to go fix it. Started experimenting with these as a managed router. http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n With a crossover cable they will power up a Canopy SM. Less cords to get plugged in wrong. Anyone else tried them? We did not implement the “loopback” fix. Nor walking customers through *HOW* to manually change their DNS. I’d rather my customers buy a halfway decent router than their $25 Belkin piece of crap on our network. When customers ask me what router I recommend, I just tell them I DON’T recommend Belkin or Linksys. This just adds fuel to that fire. D-link DIR-655 ftw. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are aware of reports of an interruption to internet service when using some Belkin routers with several internet service providers. Man, that burns me, they word it in such a way they still dont take responsibility for it, the word sever is powerful in that it indicates not all, as in if you are on a different ISP it might work, which is totally true, if its an ISP that backdoors solutions and redirects all DNS On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Sam Kirsch via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Belkin posted up a workaround. Not much better then the loop but at least its something you can direct customers to that makes it clear its not *your* problem: https://belkininternationalinc.statuspage.io/ Regards, -- Samuel Kirsch, Tech Support/Web Development/Sales Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net -- Original Message -- From: That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: 10/7/2014 1:04:53 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Its a matter of principle, we all know belkin is junk, today only proves it further. By fixing it on your end, your customers dont experience the junk first hand They sing the praises of their shit router because youre behind the scenes fixing belkins fuckup Now they recomend them to their friends. So yes, you are in fact training your customers to make it your problem everytime On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: odd... when I first tried pinging it, we had a customer on the phone with the issue (as well as a few after that). I wonder if the routers needed to be rebooted after it came back up before they work. As long as the customers don't know you fixed it, there shouldn't really be much of a worry that customers will make it your problem in the future. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Tushar Patel via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We did “torch” (one of the Mikrotik tools), that allows me to see the destination address of 67.20.176.130, with protocol and the number of source address accessing that. The number of source address trying to access that was very high. Since morning we must have taken over 20 to 25 calls on the subject. So from the resource stand point it was more efficient for us to implement loopback response then to keep taking the call. We did not tell any customers what we did to fix it. How it works: it appears that those Belkin routers were just trying to ping the that ip address, so by putting loop back on our network, we are essentially responding to that ip address and that make the Belkin router happy. As you mentioned below that you were able to ping it, earlier we were not able to ping that ip address, may be they have already fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know I did it... but I don't like messing with the network
Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies
i dont have one handy to log into without going all the way to the shelf. Is snmp write defaulty enabled now? On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does this work? snmpset -v 2c -c Canopy 169.254.1.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s 365250,365500,365750,366000,366250,366500,366750,367000,367250,367500,367750,368000,368250,368500,368750,369000,369250,369500,369750 Started just breaking it in two to get it to work. We program all sm settings through SNMP before they go out the door. Much faster and less error prone then going through the web interface. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi Matt, The length of the OID string is limited to 128 characters (commas included). The string you have below is 118 characters, so it's odd that it doesn’t work. Double check to make sure there are no leading or trailing spaces. I tried the same string and it worked for me. Hit me up offline if you are having trouble with this. IPv6 filter settings are not supported through SNMP in Release 13.2. Thanks, Sriram -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies Sriram, I found this works. snmpset -v 2c -c $community $ip .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s 365500,365750,366000,366250,366500,366750,367000,367250,367500,367750,368000,368250,368500,368750,369000,369250,369500 snmpset -v 2c -c $community $ip .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s 365250,369750 I still cannot do them all at once, it gives an error. On a related topic. This sets the IPv4 all filter. snmpset -v 2c -c $community $ip .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.132.0 i 1 What sets the IPv6 all filter? Thanks. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, There is no SNMP support to push the Default Frequencies button, yet. Like Joe pointed out, the OIDs below will allow you to populate the list with a single set command. Also, all new radios out of the box will have the default list populated (or when you factory default them). Please let us know if that is not the case. Thanks, Sriram -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Cracchiolo via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies There is a pair of new MIB's for that, WHISP-BOX-MIBV2-MIB::addCustomFreqList.0 and WHISP-BOX-MIBV2-MIB::removeCustomFreqList.0 in v13.2 b32. I haven't tried that on MIB value yet to see how well it works. You can also use a curl command to program frequencies in the older firmware. Joe On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:01, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Programming 450 3.65 SM's. See a new button under 'Custom Frequencies' called 'Default Frequencies'. Anyway to push that button with SNMP? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
I’ve had the experience of picking up a customer from another WISP who had an airouter, in some cases they had moved out of the other WISP’s area into ours. The problem is you look at this little black router and no matter how you try, you can’t get into it, and of course the customer can’t, but they feel like they already paid for a router and if you can’t make their airouter work then you owe them a free router. Now as someone familiar with the airouters, maybe you know how to default them in such a way that you can get into them and reprogram them, but otherwise it’s just a useless shiny black object. When we deploy Mikrotik as a managed router we realize the customer is not going to be able to deal with the user interface, and won’t be able to just take it with them to the next place, that’s why we lease it per month and take it back if they leave, just like the CPE radio. Most residential customers don’t want to do this, but that’s fine, they can get their Belksys router with a consumer oriented user interface and also the 802.11ac that everyone apparently just must have. But if it dies or needs fixing, they go buy a new one at the store or call the onsite computer geek. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We give out airrouters because we can enable remote access and disable the reset button, we lock down to a predefined naming system on the essid, and we only set the key to the mac on the label, we give no other option whatsoever. Thoug I hate ubnt clear from my scrotum to my chin, the air router is a rock solid little bastard, we give the customers the option to use one of those instead of theirs if they are having issues (we flat refuse to troubleshoot a customers personal router, unless im in a good mood) 9 times out of 10 they never call back in to provision a new router of their own. the only reason we see them swapped is big houses who need more wireless coverage or morons who believe a 300 dollar consumer grade router is going to make world of warcraft a little bit more real to them in their mothers basement covered in cheesy poofs On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: In the past I wouldn't have had a problem recommending Linksys, but now that they're owned by Belkin, I wouldn't recommend them... actually, I wouldn't recommend them anymore if they were still owned by Cisco either, but that's a whole different thing. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Matt via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We typically recommend Linksys for a home router. Actually have had decent luck with them plus by having mostly one brand out there its easier to walk customers through things. Refuse to sell routers right now. If it quits 30 miles away they expect a service call to go fix it. Started experimenting with these as a managed router. http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n With a crossover cable they will power up a Canopy SM. Less cords to get plugged in wrong. Anyone else tried them? We did not implement the “loopback” fix. Nor walking customers through *HOW* to manually change their DNS. I’d rather my customers buy a halfway decent router than their $25 Belkin piece of crap on our network. When customers ask me what router I recommend, I just tell them I DON’T recommend Belkin or Linksys. This just adds fuel to that fire. D-link DIR-655 ftw. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are aware of reports of an interruption to internet service when using some Belkin routers with several internet service providers. Man, that burns me, they word it in such a way they still dont take responsibility for it, the word sever is powerful in that it indicates not all, as in if you are on a different ISP it might work, which is totally true, if its an ISP that backdoors solutions and redirects all DNS On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Sam Kirsch via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Belkin posted up a workaround. Not much better then the loop but at least its something you can direct customers to that makes it clear its not *your* problem: https://belkininternationalinc.statuspage.io/ Regards, -- Samuel Kirsch, Tech Support/Web Development/Sales Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net -- Original Message -- From: That One Guy via Af
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
apparently you did not see the word give. Do you know how much less hassle there is if you treat a cpe router as a consumable rather than a retail item? If they still have our router when they come to you theyre thieves and you dont want them as customers On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve had the experience of picking up a customer from another WISP who had an airouter, in some cases they had moved out of the other WISP’s area into ours. The problem is you look at this little black router and no matter how you try, you can’t get into it, and of course the customer can’t, but they feel like they already paid for a router and if you can’t make their airouter work then you owe them a free router. Now as someone familiar with the airouters, maybe you know how to default them in such a way that you can get into them and reprogram them, but otherwise it’s just a useless shiny black object. When we deploy Mikrotik as a managed router we realize the customer is not going to be able to deal with the user interface, and won’t be able to just take it with them to the next place, that’s why we lease it per month and take it back if they leave, just like the CPE radio. Most residential customers don’t want to do this, but that’s fine, they can get their Belksys router with a consumer oriented user interface and also the 802.11ac that everyone apparently just must have. But if it dies or needs fixing, they go buy a new one at the store or call the onsite computer geek. *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We give out airrouters because we can enable remote access and disable the reset button, we lock down to a predefined naming system on the essid, and we only set the key to the mac on the label, we give no other option whatsoever. Thoug I hate ubnt clear from my scrotum to my chin, the air router is a rock solid little bastard, we give the customers the option to use one of those instead of theirs if they are having issues (we flat refuse to troubleshoot a customers personal router, unless im in a good mood) 9 times out of 10 they never call back in to provision a new router of their own. the only reason we see them swapped is big houses who need more wireless coverage or morons who believe a 300 dollar consumer grade router is going to make world of warcraft a little bit more real to them in their mothers basement covered in cheesy poofs On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: In the past I wouldn't have had a problem recommending Linksys, but now that they're owned by Belkin, I wouldn't recommend them... actually, I wouldn't recommend them anymore if they were still owned by Cisco either, but that's a whole different thing. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Matt via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We typically recommend Linksys for a home router. Actually have had decent luck with them plus by having mostly one brand out there its easier to walk customers through things. Refuse to sell routers right now. If it quits 30 miles away they expect a service call to go fix it. Started experimenting with these as a managed router. http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n With a crossover cable they will power up a Canopy SM. Less cords to get plugged in wrong. Anyone else tried them? We did not implement the “loopback” fix. Nor walking customers through *HOW* to manually change their DNS. I’d rather my customers buy a halfway decent router than their $25 Belkin piece of crap on our network. When customers ask me what router I recommend, I just tell them I DON’T recommend Belkin or Linksys. This just adds fuel to that fire. D-link DIR-655 ftw. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are aware of reports of an interruption to internet service when using some Belkin routers with several internet service providers. Man, that burns me, they word it in such a way they still dont take responsibility for it, the word sever is powerful in that it indicates not all, as in if you are on a different ISP it might work, which is totally true, if its an ISP that backdoors solutions and redirects all DNS On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Sam Kirsch via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Belkin posted up a workaround. Not much better then the loop but at least its something you can direct customers to that makes it clear its not *your* problem: https://belkininternationalinc.statuspage.io/ Regards, -- Samuel
Re: [AFMUG] One more time with gusto: PTP450 antenna A = Vertical? Horizontal?
theyre slant i thought On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think if I hook up both ends the same, it probably doesn't matter. So I am planning on connecting A to vertical (the B side isn't market at all anyway). And I know George has had a debate about this on and off. What's the official word? A = Vertical ? or A = Horizontal ? -- bp -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
if youre going to collections for 29 bucks thats rough, the word consumable makes them an expected loss. maintaining inventory isnt hard, they get a default config dumped into them at the time of install, when they come back they get the same dump file, theyre all accessible via the same internal ip, if theyre new theyre ubnt ubnt if not theyre the same username and password. all the settings that matter are already programmed, just add the mac into powercode, if they want wireless cut the wlan mac and name the essid. Theyre easy to manage. 29 bucks to not have to fuck around with a customer router is cheap. since we offer this, we dont have any obligation ethically or morally to help them with their own hunk of shit, we offer our hunk of shit. we only actually lose maybe 1 in 25. It amazes me as much as our customers are degenerate mopes, if they do replace our routers or cancel service most of them will drive all the way to our retail shop to drop them off. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Then you have the whole process you have to go through as where you've lost an asset and need to report it against them for collections. Also, your install costs go up in providing these for free, then having to maintain inventory of them/reset/reconfigure, etc. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 01:49 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: apparently you did not see the word give. Do you know how much less hassle there is if you treat a cpe router as a consumable rather than a retail item? If they still have our router when they come to you theyre thieves and you dont want them as customers On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve had the experience of picking up a customer from another WISP who had an airouter, in some cases they had moved out of the other WISP’s area into ours. The problem is you look at this little black router and no matter how you try, you can’t get into it, and of course the customer can’t, but they feel like they already paid for a router and if you can’t make their airouter work then you owe them a free router. Now as someone familiar with the airouters, maybe you know how to default them in such a way that you can get into them and reprogram them, but otherwise it’s just a useless shiny black object. When we deploy Mikrotik as a managed router we realize the customer is not going to be able to deal with the user interface, and won’t be able to just take it with them to the next place, that’s why we lease it per month and take it back if they leave, just like the CPE radio. Most residential customers don’t want to do this, but that’s fine, they can get their Belksys router with a consumer oriented user interface and also the 802.11ac that everyone apparently just must have. But if it dies or needs fixing, they go buy a new one at the store or call the onsite computer geek. *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We give out airrouters because we can enable remote access and disable the reset button, we lock down to a predefined naming system on the essid, and we only set the key to the mac on the label, we give no other option whatsoever. Thoug I hate ubnt clear from my scrotum to my chin, the air router is a rock solid little bastard, we give the customers the option to use one of those instead of theirs if they are having issues (we flat refuse to troubleshoot a customers personal router, unless im in a good mood) 9 times out of 10 they never call back in to provision a new router of their own. the only reason we see them swapped is big houses who need more wireless coverage or morons who believe a 300 dollar consumer grade router is going to make world of warcraft a little bit more real to them in their mothers basement covered in cheesy poofs On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: In the past I wouldn't have had a problem recommending Linksys, but now that they're owned by Belkin, I wouldn't recommend them... actually, I wouldn't recommend them anymore if they were still owned by Cisco either, but that's a whole different thing. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Matt via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We typically recommend Linksys for a home router. Actually have had decent luck with them plus by having mostly one brand out there its easier to walk customers through things. Refuse to sell routers right now. If it quits 30 miles away they expect a service call to go fix it. Started experimenting with these as a managed router. http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n With a crossover cable they will
Re: [AFMUG] name
Domain name is registered by a Denver marketing company. Is this JAB's new name to unite all their various brands? -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] name Name name... what's in a name?!?!?!? Rise Broadband is coming...
Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?
We're in a JAB area as well. Haven't done a single price increase since we started in 2006, only increased speeds. Our pricing is pretty close to JAB's, but we don't have any of their hidden fees and equipment rental fee garbage. Whatever we're doing seems to work, we get floods of their customers coming our way. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Craig Schmaderer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don’t do any contracts, and I have only done one price increase in 12 years. About 4 years ago we increased all plans by 3 dollars. We just did the increase and I think about .5% of people called to complain. 20% didn’t notice the change but most of them caught it the next month. Oh, we did send out 1 email to all customers before we did it. We lost 1 customer out of 600 when we did it. My advice is if you are going to do it, I think that most people won’t say anything if it’s around 1-3 bucks, so do 3, I think 4 would still be ok, but I think 5 bucks is where some people will get a little more bitchy. *Craig R. Schmaderer* *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.* *Ph: 402-372-1975 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 402-372-1058* *Direct: 402-372-1052 402-372-1052* *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall via Af *Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase? We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential basic plan. Some of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more). Around $ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”. Probably 25% of those customers, we are the only “good” source for Internet. The rest have varying levels of DSL or cable options. Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49. Maybe a little more, haven’t decided. How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling contracts” ? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
Most of ours that cancel don't really cancel, they just stoppaying. So we have to send somebody to collect the radio/antenna/mount, normally when thesub isn't home. So then we'd be out 3 months plus the router cost, which, living in Alaska is substantially more imply due to shipping. Thus, we sell routers, and offer a managed router service. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 01:58 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: if youre going to collections for 29 bucks thats rough, the word consumable makes them an expected loss. maintaining inventory isnt hard, they get a default config dumped into them at the time of install, when they come back they get the same dump file, theyre all accessible via the same internal ip, if theyre new theyre ubnt ubnt if not theyre the same username and password. all the settings that matter are already programmed, just add the mac into powercode, if they want wireless cut the wlan mac and name the essid. Theyre easy to manage. 29 bucks to not have to fuck around with a customer router is cheap. since we offer this, we dont have any obligation ethically or morally to help them with their own hunk of shit, we offer our hunk of shit. we only actually lose maybe 1 in 25. It amazes me as much as our customers are degenerate mopes, if they do replace our routers or cancel service most of them will drive all the way to our retail shop to drop them off. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Then you have the whole process you have to go through as where you've lost an asset and need to report it against them for collections. Also, your install costs go up in providing these for free, then having to maintain inventory of them/reset/reconfigure, etc. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 01:49 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: apparently you did not see the word give. Do you know how much less hassle there is if you treat a cpe router as a consumable rather than a retail item? If they still have our router when they come to you theyre thieves and you dont want them as customers On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve had the experience of picking up a customer from another WISP who had an airouter, in some cases they had moved out of the other WISP’s area into ours. The problem is you look at this little black router and no matter how you try, you can’t get into it, and of course the customer can’t, but they feel like they already paid for a router and if you can’t make their airouter work then you owe them a free router. Now as someone familiar with the airouters, maybe you know how to default them in such a way that you can get into them and reprogram them, but otherwise it’s just a useless shiny black object. When we deploy Mikrotik as a managed router we realize the customer is not going to be able to deal with the user interface, and won’t be able to just take it with them to the next place, that’s why we lease it per month and take it back if they leave, just like the CPE radio. Most residential customers don’t want to do this, but that’s fine, they can get their Belksys router with a consumer oriented user interface and also the 802.11ac that everyone apparently just must have. But if it dies or needs fixing, they go buy a new one at the store or call the onsite computer geek. *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We give out airrouters because we can enable remote access and disable the reset button, we lock down to a predefined naming system on the essid, and we only set the key to the mac on the label, we give no other option whatsoever. Thoug I hate ubnt clear from my scrotum to my chin, the air router is a rock solid little bastard, we give the customers the option to use one of those instead of theirs if they are having issues (we flat refuse to troubleshoot a customers personal router, unless im in a good mood) 9 times out of 10 they never call back in to provision a new router of their own. the only reason we see them swapped is big houses who need more wireless coverage or morons who believe a 300 dollar consumer grade router is going to make world of warcraft a little bit more real to them in their mothers basement covered in cheesy poofs On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:15 PM,
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
You know Belkin bought Linksys from Cisco earlier this year. So for all intents and purposes, Linksys=Belkin. Sure they claim that they are treating Linksys as a wholy owned, independent entity, but how long do you expect that to last? bp On 10/7/2014 2:12 PM, Matt via Af wrote: We typically recommend Linksys for a home router. Actually have had decent luck with them plus by having mostly one brand out there its easier to walk customers through things. Refuse to sell routers right now. If it quits 30 miles away they expect a service call to go fix it. Started experimenting with these as a managed router. http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n With a crossover cable they will power up a Canopy SM. Less cords to get plugged in wrong. Anyone else tried them? We did not implement the “loopback” fix. Nor walking customers through *HOW* to manually change their DNS. I’d rather my customers buy a halfway decent router than their $25 Belkin piece of crap on our network. When customers ask me what router I recommend, I just tell them I DON’T recommend Belkin or Linksys. This just adds fuel to that fire. D-link DIR-655 ftw. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are aware of reports of an interruption to internet service when using some Belkin routers with several internet service providers. Man, that burns me, they word it in such a way they still dont take responsibility for it, the word sever is powerful in that it indicates not all, as in if you are on a different ISP it might work, which is totally true, if its an ISP that backdoors solutions and redirects all DNS On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Sam Kirsch via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Belkin posted up a workaround. Not much better then the loop but at least its something you can direct customers to that makes it clear its not *your* problem: https://belkininternationalinc.statuspage.io/ Regards, -- Samuel Kirsch, Tech Support/Web Development/Sales Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net -- Original Message -- From: That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: 10/7/2014 1:04:53 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Its a matter of principle, we all know belkin is junk, today only proves it further. By fixing it on your end, your customers dont experience the junk first hand They sing the praises of their shit router because youre behind the scenes fixing belkins fuckup Now they recomend them to their friends. So yes, you are in fact training your customers to make it your problem everytime On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: odd... when I first tried pinging it, we had a customer on the phone with the issue (as well as a few after that). I wonder if the routers needed to be rebooted after it came back up before they work. As long as the customers don't know you fixed it, there shouldn't really be much of a worry that customers will make it your problem in the future. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Tushar Patel via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We did “torch” (one of the Mikrotik tools), that allows me to see the destination address of 67.20.176.130, with protocol and the number of source address accessing that. The number of source address trying to access that was very high. Since morning we must have taken over 20 to 25 calls on the subject. So from the resource stand point it was more efficient for us to implement loopback response then to keep taking the call. We did not tell any customers what we did to fix it. How it works: it appears that those Belkin routers were just trying to ping the that ip address, so by putting loop back on our network, we are essentially responding to that ip address and that make the Belkin router happy. As you mentioned below that you were able to ping it, earlier we were not able to ping that ip address, may be they have already fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know I did it... but I don't like messing with the network to fix things that aren't really my problem anyway, it would be nice to make those calls stop, but it doesn't seem worth it. I'm still a bit confused how that is making it work anyway though, since I can ping that IP... how does putting it on an internal
Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish
2 pipe is fineunless you expect 150MPH winds, which the gear itself isn't rated for anyway. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:00 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Hey guys, Is there a way or do you recommend adding a support brace to the RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish at all? We haven't used them before but we got some for a 20-mile link and we're adding RF Armor as well so they're quite heavy. What are your recommendations for a mount for these and any additional bracing to make sure they don't blow back and forth. Is a 2 pipe enough for the bracket on these? Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish
Where do you buy your pipe at? Right now we're just getting at Menards but their heavy duty stuff is really expensive. We buy the thin-wall emt but for these we would like stronger pipe but seeing if there's a cheaper place than the big box stores like Home Depot and Menards. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: edit: 2 pipe is fine as long as it isn't like, thinwall-emt or something Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:04 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: 2 pipe is fine unless you expect 150MPH winds, which the gear itself isn't rated for anyway. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:00 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Hey guys, Is there a way or do you recommend adding a support brace to the RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish at all? We haven't used them before but we got some for a 20-mile link and we're adding RF Armor as well so they're quite heavy. What are your recommendations for a mount for these and any additional bracing to make sure they don't blow back and forth. Is a 2 pipe enough for the bracket on these? Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies
Matt - Yes, this works for me as well. Correction on the IPv6 filtering SNMP support! The OIDs made it into 13.2 (Build 32), currently available as Open beta @ https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450 The All IPv6 filter SNMP OID is .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.160.0 OIDs for the other IPv6 filters are in there as well. Thanks, Sriram -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 2:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies Does this work? snmpset -v 2c -c Canopy 169.254.1.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s 365250,365500,365750,366000,366250,366500,366750,367000,367250,367500,367750,368000,368250,368500,368750,369000,369250,369500,369750 Started just breaking it in two to get it to work. We program all sm settings through SNMP before they go out the door. Much faster and less error prone then going through the web interface. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi Matt, The length of the OID string is limited to 128 characters (commas included). The string you have below is 118 characters, so it's odd that it doesn’t work. Double check to make sure there are no leading or trailing spaces. I tried the same string and it worked for me. Hit me up offline if you are having trouble with this. IPv6 filter settings are not supported through SNMP in Release 13.2. Thanks, Sriram -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies Sriram, I found this works. snmpset -v 2c -c $community $ip .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s 365500,365750,366000,366250,366500,366750,367000,367250,367500,367750, 368000,368250,368500,368750,369000,369250,369500 snmpset -v 2c -c $community $ip .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s 365250,369750 I still cannot do them all at once, it gives an error. On a related topic. This sets the IPv4 all filter. snmpset -v 2c -c $community $ip .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.132.0 i 1 What sets the IPv6 all filter? Thanks. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, There is no SNMP support to push the Default Frequencies button, yet. Like Joe pointed out, the OIDs below will allow you to populate the list with a single set command. Also, all new radios out of the box will have the default list populated (or when you factory default them). Please let us know if that is not the case. Thanks, Sriram -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Cracchiolo via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SNMP Default Frequencies There is a pair of new MIB's for that, WHISP-BOX-MIBV2-MIB::addCustomFreqList.0 and WHISP-BOX-MIBV2-MIB::removeCustomFreqList.0 in v13.2 b32. I haven't tried that on MIB value yet to see how well it works. You can also use a curl command to program frequencies in the older firmware. Joe On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:01, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Programming 450 3.65 SM's. See a new button under 'Custom Frequencies' called 'Default Frequencies'. Anyway to push that button with SNMP?
Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Sync and link speed on 310 foot run with ePMP APs
Forrest, I will see if I can get the guys to try that just for grins, before we swap to a CMM. They were pretty tired today. they were on the tower for 9 hours. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 5:15 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Sync and link speed on 310 foot run with ePMP APs I'd be curious if your experience was the same with say a cambium gigabit injector in there. Not quite Apples to apples but closer than a gigabit vs non gigabit injector. Midspan gigabit injectors definitely add some signal loss due to the Ethernet magnetics in the path. At least a couple dB. I've also noticed that certain surge suppressors are even more picky with the gigabit injectors. Not sure why. On Oct 7, 2014 2:30 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Just wanted to give a heads up on our experience with our first run at trying ePMPs at this distance of cable run. We mounted 4 5 Ghz and 4 2.4 Ghz ePMP APs today (a retrofit from 100 series APs). We have an existing CMM Micro that has been at the tower for 5 or 6 years. We needed more ports with Sync so we attempted to use a Gigabit Syncinjector for the additional ports we needed. We put the 2.4 Ghz radios on the CMM and put the 5 Ghz on the SyncInjector. The CMM and the “LAN facing” ports on the Syncinjector, powered by the same 5 AMP/24v power supply that we use for CTM’s, plugged into a 2011 Mikrotik router. The CMM works flawlessly, providing 100Mbit connections and sync . The SyncInjector… not so much. Initially, the symptoms were that 1 of the APs would only connect 10 Mbit and 1 different one would not get Sync.We tried swapping know good (successful on the CMM) cables, changing ports on the SyncInjector to make sure we didn’t have cable or AP related issues etc. Eventually, we lost ability to do Sync on any of the APs, and 2 of the 4 will only do 10 Mbit. Tried it with both 100Mbit and Gbit ports on the 2011, in auto or static Speed/Duplex configs. No go. The cables being used were both Best-Tronics and Toughcable Carrier. All the toughcables were premade to the 300 feet and tested inhouse at Gigabit speeds (TIK to TIK tests) Going to have to climb again tomorrow with a second CMM to swapout for the SyncInjector. We normally have very good luck with SyncInjectors but at 300 feet distance with the Gigabit models, we couldn’t make it work in this application. Cambium had “advised us” that there may be abnormal challenges with 300 ft. of cable on the ePMP. Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
When we used to actually sell routers it always seemed to be way more trouble than it was worth. Now we just offer managed routers as an add on service and give them an AirGateway (or AirRouter in some cases), and that seems to be working out pretty well. If a customer leaves and doesn't return your router, it really isn't any different than if one gets fried by lightning or a rat eats it or whatever, you just have to set your prices to account for losing one here and there. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts if youre going to collections for 29 bucks thats rough, the word consumable makes them an expected loss. maintaining inventory isnt hard, they get a default config dumped into them at the time of install, when they come back they get the same dump file, theyre all accessible via the same internal ip, if theyre new theyre ubnt ubnt if not theyre the same username and password. all the settings that matter are already programmed, just add the mac into powercode, if they want wireless cut the wlan mac and name the essid. Theyre easy to manage. 29 bucks to not have to fuck around with a customer router is cheap. since we offer this, we dont have any obligation ethically or morally to help them with their own hunk of shit, we offer our hunk of shit. we only actually lose maybe 1 in 25. It amazes me as much as our customers are degenerate mopes, if they do replace our routers or cancel service most of them will drive all the way to our retail shop to drop them off. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Then you have the whole process you have to go through as where you've lost an asset and need to report it against them for collections. Also, your install costs go up in providing these for free, then having to maintain inventory of them/reset/reconfigure, etc. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 01:49 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: apparently you did not see the word give. Do you know how much less hassle there is if you treat a cpe router as a consumable rather than a retail item? If they still have our router when they come to you theyre thieves and you dont want them as customers On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve had the experience of picking up a customer from another WISP who had an airouter, in some cases they had moved out of the other WISP’s area into ours. The problem is you look at this little black router and no matter how you try, you can’t get into it, and of course the customer can’t, but they feel like they already paid for a router and if you can’t make their airouter work then you owe them a free router. Now as someone familiar with the airouters, maybe you know how to default them in such a way that you can get into them and reprogram them, but otherwise it’s just a useless shiny black object. When we deploy Mikrotik as a managed router we realize the customer is not going to be able to deal with the user interface, and won’t be able to just take it with them to the next place, that’s why we lease it per month and take it back if they leave, just like the CPE radio. Most residential customers don’t want to do this, but that’s fine, they can get their Belksys router with a consumer oriented user interface and also the 802.11ac that everyone apparently just must have. But if it dies or needs fixing, they go buy a new one at the store or call the onsite computer geek. From: That One Guy via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:27 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We give out airrouters because we can enable remote access and disable the reset button, we lock down to a predefined naming system on the essid, and we only set the key to the mac on the label, we give no other option whatsoever. Thoug I hate ubnt clear from my scrotum to my chin, the air router is a rock solid little bastard, we give the customers the option to use one of those instead of theirs if they are having issues (we flat refuse to troubleshoot a customers personal router, unless im in a good mood) 9 times out of 10 they never call back in to provision a new router of their own. the only reason we see them swapped is big houses who need more wireless coverage or morons who believe a 300 dollar consumer grade router is going to make world of warcraft a little bit more real to them in their mothers basement covered in cheesy poofs On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: In the past I wouldn't have had a problem recommending Linksys, but now that they're owned by Belkin, I
Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish
If I remember correctly, Menards sells 2 3/8 pipes for chain link posts that are fairly heavy for a decent price, that I've used in the past for big dishes. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Darin Steffl via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 5:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish Where do you buy your pipe at? Right now we're just getting at Menards but their heavy duty stuff is really expensive. We buy the thin-wall emt but for these we would like stronger pipe but seeing if there's a cheaper place than the big box stores like Home Depot and Menards. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: edit: 2 pipe is fine as long as it isn't like, thinwall-emt or something Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:04 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: 2 pipe is fine unless you expect 150MPH winds, which the gear itself isn't rated for anyway. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:00 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Hey guys, Is there a way or do you recommend adding a support brace to the RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish at all? We haven't used them before but we got some for a 20-mile link and we're adding RF Armor as well so they're quite heavy. What are your recommendations for a mount for these and any additional bracing to make sure they don't blow back and forth. Is a 2 pipe enough for the bracket on these? Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.comhttp://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi [http://www.snoitulosten.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/facebook-small.jpg]http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.comhttp://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi [http://www.snoitulosten.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/facebook-small.jpg]http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
[AFMUG] Source for outdoor cable managemer runners for buildings
I've got a few apartments where I need to run some cable along the hallways. I'm looking for the metal runners, 10' long or more if possible if anyone has a source for those. Rory P. Conaway 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
[AFMUG] Comcast is getting really ticked about complaints
http://beta.slashdot.org/story/208189 Rory P. Conaway 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish
Find a fencing store, or a plumber supply shop. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:10 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Where do you buy your pipe at? Right now we're just getting at Menards but their heavy duty stuff is really expensive. We buy the thin-wall emt but for these we would like stronger pipe but seeing if there's a cheaper place than the big box stores like Home Depot and Menards. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: edit: 2 pipe is fine as long as it isn't like, thinwall-emt or something Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:04 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: 2 pipe is fineunless you expect 150MPH winds, which the gear itself isn't rated for anyway. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:00 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Hey guys, Is there a way or do you recommend adding a support brace to the RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish at all? We haven't used them before but we got some for a 20-mile link and we're adding RF Armor as well so they're quite heavy. What are your recommendations for a mount for these and any additional bracing to make sure they don't blow back and forth. Is a 2 pipe enough for the bracket on these? Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Comcast is getting really ticked about complaints
Yeah I saw that. PS - f@#$ /. beta ;) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:51 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: http://beta.slashdot.org/story/208189 Rory P. Conaway 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
[AFMUG] Network Troubeshoot Story
Hi Fellows, I had a storm come through, power flicked at one of our bases. One of the power bridges would not link, another 5 would only have 10% loss and only push 16mbps over the Lan, WLan was 70+ UDP would test perfect. Power cycled Power bridges, no luck. Changed ports on the router and could get 70+ again, OK, Faulty router I thought. Changed router still no luck, still packet loss on the same ports but not on others. Super scratching my head, I power cycled the PSU. Fixed! Who would have thought that a lowly power supply could do this? Thought I'd post in case someone else ever see's this. :-)
[AFMUG] 650 BH password reset procedure
Wondering if anyone knows how to reset a forgotten or botched password on a 650?? We have a pair that we can't login to. Cheers, Andreas Wiatowski Director / CEO Silo Wireless Inc. p: 519 449-5656 / 1-866-727-4138 x600 http:// http:// silowireless.com/ http://twitter.com/#!/silowireless http://twitter.com/#!/silowireless http://www.facebook.com/silowireless http://www.facebook.com/silowireless This email and any files transmitted with it are CONFIDENTIAL and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the email to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish
IMC conduit weighs about half as much as rigid pipe and is equally strong or stronger due to the work hardening. Any electrical supply house will have it. But it is harder than rigid pipe so mounting clamps may not dig in very well. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish I get tower pipe from Primus because it's local... otherwise the biggest pipe Menards has that fits in the mount. ;-) I have a bunch of 2-7/8 sections waiting for a home because they wouldn't fit in the Force 100's mounts. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 5:10:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish Where do you buy your pipe at? Right now we're just getting at Menards but their heavy duty stuff is really expensive. We buy the thin-wall emt but for these we would like stronger pipe but seeing if there's a cheaper place than the big box stores like Home Depot and Menards. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: edit: 2 pipe is fine as long as it isn't like, thinwall-emt or something Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:04 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: 2 pipe is fine unless you expect 150MPH winds, which the gear itself isn't rated for anyway. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:00 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Hey guys, Is there a way or do you recommend adding a support brace to the RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish at all? We haven't used them before but we got some for a 20-mile link and we're adding RF Armor as well so they're quite heavy. What are your recommendations for a mount for these and any additional bracing to make sure they don't blow back and forth. Is a 2 pipe enough for the bracket on these? Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook
Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish
IMC is all we use. Have saved a ton of cash since we discovered IMC. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: IMC conduit weighs about half as much as rigid pipe and is equally strong or stronger due to the work hardening. Any electrical supply house will have it. But it is harder than rigid pipe so mounting clamps may not dig in very well. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish I get tower pipe from Primus because it's local... otherwise the biggest pipe Menards has that fits in the mount. ;-) I have a bunch of 2-7/8 sections waiting for a home because they wouldn't fit in the Force 100's mounts. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 7, 2014 5:10:57 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish Where do you buy your pipe at? Right now we're just getting at Menards but their heavy duty stuff is really expensive. We buy the thin-wall emt but for these we would like stronger pipe but seeing if there's a cheaper place than the big box stores like Home Depot and Menards. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: edit: 2 pipe is fine as long as it isn't like, thinwall-emt or something Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:04 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: 2 pipe is fine unless you expect 150MPH winds, which the gear itself isn't rated for anyway. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 02:00 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Hey guys, Is there a way or do you recommend adding a support brace to the RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish at all? We haven't used them before but we got some for a 20-mile link and we're adding RF Armor as well so they're quite heavy. What are your recommendations for a mount for these and any additional bracing to make sure they don't blow back and forth. Is a 2 pipe enough for the bracket on these? Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
[AFMUG] CBB coverage area has 'Town of the Living Dead
One of the towns in our coverage area is being featured in Syfy at the moment. Seems some residents are making a low budget zombie movie. If you have time to kill. http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2014/10/town_of_the_living_dead_show_o.html
Re: [AFMUG] 650 BH password reset procedure
Sorry all should have read the manual...all good now. Have to enter recovery mode. Cheers, Andreas Wiatowski Director / CEO Silo Wireless Inc. p: 519 449-5656 / 1-866-727-4138 x600 http:// http:// silowireless.com/ http://twitter.com/#!/silowireless http://twitter.com/#!/silowireless http://www.facebook.com/silowireless http://www.facebook.com/silowireless This email and any files transmitted with it are CONFIDENTIAL and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the email to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski via Af Sent: October 7, 2014 9:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 650 BH password reset procedure Wondering if anyone knows how to reset a forgotten or botched password on a 650?? We have a pair that we can't login to. Cheers, Andreas Wiatowski Director / CEO Silo Wireless Inc. p: 519 449-5656 / 1-866-727-4138 x600 http:// http:// silowireless.com/ http://twitter.com/#!/silowireless http://twitter.com/#!/silowireless http://www.facebook.com/silowireless http://www.facebook.com/silowireless This email and any files transmitted with it are CONFIDENTIAL and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the email to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP
I am sure I will be going to the crash course to find out about the little tib bits. On 10/7/2014 8:19 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: So the multi-core does approximately double the throughput. What sort of antenna requirements does it have? Opposite polarity? Spatial diversity? Different frequency? The single core version has more interface flexibility than the multi-core version? What are the differences between 4x4, 2x2 and none when the speeds are just 1x and 2x? Link distance? Your 1000base-X interfaces... how are those physically presented? SFPs? LC\SC connector? So if I want two fiber interfaces, I have to choose the slower version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 7, 2014 7:47:14 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cambium OEMs Ceragon for PTP http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/ptp/ptp-820 NO mention of Mimo though.. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr --
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
G LIST !! Why didnt this show in a thread.?? I guess I need to change my mail client after 15yrs to a microsoft bloated expensive useless software. On 10/7/2014 9:10 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote: Pretty long thread over on the wispa list already. Looks to be widespread, no answers yet from what I saw. On 10/7/2014 9:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren --
Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Sync and link speed on 310 foot run with ePMP APs
Wait for it (CMM) On 10/7/2014 3:30 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: Just wanted to give a heads up on our experience with our first run at trying ePMPs at this distance of cable run. We mounted 4 5 Ghz and 4 2.4 Ghz ePMP APs today (a retrofit from 100 series APs). We have an existing CMM Micro that has been at the tower for 5 or 6 years. We needed more ports with Sync so we attempted to use a Gigabit Syncinjector for the additional ports we needed. We put the 2.4 Ghz radios on the CMM and put the 5 Ghz on the SyncInjector. The CMM and the LAN facing ports on the Syncinjector, powered by the same 5 AMP/24v power supply that we use for CTM's, plugged into a 2011 Mikrotik router. The CMM works flawlessly, providing 100Mbit connections and sync . The SyncInjector... not so much. Initially, the symptoms were that 1 of the APs would only connect 10 Mbit and 1 different one would not get Sync.We tried swapping know good (successful on the CMM) cables, changing ports on the SyncInjector to make sure we didn't have cable or AP related issues etc. Eventually, we lost ability to do Sync on any of the APs, and 2 of the 4 will only do 10 Mbit. Tried it with both 100Mbit and Gbit ports on the 2011, in auto or static Speed/Duplex configs. No go. The cables being used were both Best-Tronics and Toughcable Carrier. All the toughcables were premade to the 300 feet and tested inhouse at Gigabit speeds (TIK to TIK tests) Going to have to climb again tomorrow with a second CMM to swapout for the SyncInjector. We normally have very good luck with SyncInjectors but at 300 feet distance with the Gigabit models, we couldn't make it work in this application. Cambium had advised us that there may be abnormal challenges with 300 ft. of cable on the ePMP. Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net --
Re: [AFMUG] CBB coverage area has 'Town of the Living Dead
Time to get walking dead in there.. Luv me some walking dead which if your a fan its OCT 12 Sunday night new season BOOYAAA! On 10/7/2014 9:08 PM, Jay Weekley via Af wrote: One of the towns in our coverage area is being featured in Syfy at the moment. Seems some residents are making a low budget zombie movie. If you have time to kill. http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2014/10/town_of_the_living_dead_show_o.html --
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
Just got my stock of RB951's in so hopefully they will work ok out of the box LOL On 10/7/2014 12:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: Its a matter of principle, we all know belkin is junk, today only proves it further. By fixing it on your end, your customers dont experience the junk first hand They sing the praises of their shit router because youre behind the scenes fixing belkins fuckup Now they recomend them to their friends. So yes, you are in fact training your customers to make it your problem everytime On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: odd... when I first tried pinging it, we had a customer on the phone with the issue (as well as a few after that). I wonder if the routers needed to be rebooted after it came back up before they work. As long as the customers don't know you fixed it, there shouldn't really be much of a worry that customers will make it your problem in the future. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Tushar Patel via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We did “torch” (one of the Mikrotik tools), that allows me to see the destination address of 67.20.176.130, with protocol and the number of source address accessing that. The number of source address trying to access that was very high. Since morning we must have taken over 20 to 25 calls on the subject. So from the resource stand point it was more efficient for us to implement loopback response then to keep taking the call. We did not tell any customers what we did to fix it. How it works: it appears that those Belkin routers were just trying to ping the that ip address, so by putting loop back on our network, we are essentially responding to that ip address and that make the Belkin router happy. As you mentioned below that you were able to ping it, earlier we were not able to ping that ip address, may be they have already fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 tel:512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com http://www.westernbroadband.com/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:18 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know I did it... but I don't like messing with the network to fix things that aren't really my problem anyway, it would be nice to make those calls stop, but it doesn't seem worth it. I'm still a bit confused how that is making it work anyway though, since I can ping that IP... how does putting it on an internal router make it work? for those who have done it, is your router giving any HTTP response on that IP? *From:*Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:06 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that point forward everytime a customer has any issue. just do that brokeback loop thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one of the internal router appears to fix the problem. Thanks, Tushar Patel 512-257-1077 tel:512-257-1077 www.westernbroadband.com http://www.westernbroadband.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts We are seeing this also.. Belkin domain is down Also be aware that the belkins use heartbeat.belkin.com http://heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see if there is internet access and if the answer comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet. Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware which do bad things to the wan side of things. I am currently trying to spoof heartbeat.belkin.com
Re: [AFMUG] CBB coverage area has 'Town of the Living Dead
Apparently, it's series. Syfy used to have Stargate and Battlestar Galactica. Now they have wrestling and low budget zombie movies made in rural Alabama. With that said, I won't be missing Walking Dead even though I will be in Vegas. David Milholen via Af wrote: Time to get walking dead in there.. Luv me some walking dead which if your a fan its OCT 12 Sunday night new season BOOYAAA! On 10/7/2014 9:08 PM, Jay Weekley via Af wrote: One of the towns in our coverage area is being featured in Syfy at the moment. Seems some residents are making a low budget zombie movie. If you have time to kill. http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2014/10/town_of_the_living_dead_show_o.html --
Re: [AFMUG] credit checks
Do you really want the customer whose main criteria in selecting a provider is how long will it take to get shut off for non payment? On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The trouble is the primary comptetion (Time Warner Cable) does free installs and then lets you go 90 days before they shut you off. I have to try not to be a meaner guy than them. meh too much work. get payment upfront for as much as possible (install and first month) bill ahead for the month instead of behind and turn off service quickly for non-payment. credit checks are too expensive and bothersome. 2 cents -sean On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit checks on potential new customers. While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit checks who can share what they're doing. What company are you using? How much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up?
Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
.. what in the world would require you to use a microsoft client? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 06:48 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: G LIST !! Why didnt this show in a thread.?? I guess I need to change my mail client after 15yrs to a microsoft bloated expensive useless software. On 10/7/2014 9:10 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote: Pretty long thread over on the wispa list already. Looks to be widespread, no answers yet from what I saw. On 10/7/2014 9:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote: Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this morning? What's the deal with that?, Darren --
Re: [AFMUG] CBB coverage area has 'Town of the Living Dead
I'll be on a plane that night :[ Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/07/2014 07:07 PM, Jay Weekley via Af wrote: Apparently, it's series. Syfy used to have Stargate and Battlestar Galactica. Now they have wrestling and low budget zombie movies made in rural Alabama. With that said, I won't be missing Walking Dead even though I will be in Vegas. David Milholen via Af wrote: Time to get walking dead in there.. Luv me some walking dead which if your a fan its OCT 12 Sunday night new season BOOYAAA! On 10/7/2014 9:08 PM, Jay Weekley via Af wrote: One of the towns in our coverage area is being featured in Syfy at the moment. Seems some residents are making a low budget zombie movie. If you have time to kill. http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2014/10/town_of_the_living_dead_show_o.html --
Re: [AFMUG] WTF apex 9 cable defects
You know what's even more fun, when you find some cable with missing or super thin insulation on the inner conductors! Saw that on some primus once luckily it seemed to be a one-time thing. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Been using APEX 9 cable for 3 years with no problems until the last year. Earlier this year I unrolled some off a spool and the outer jacket was missing in a spot, CTI sent me a new box and wanted the old one back, today found another box with a HUGE section of outerjacket missing, obvious manufacturing defect because the footage marking was printed on the foil shield! Opened another box from the same pallet and immediately found another defect on that roll that wasn't even off the spool yet. I need to find another brand of cable, I CAN NOT be having these poor quality control issues showing up on towers which is where this cable was being installed today Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] WTF apex 9 cable defects
Never seen a defect with Belden 1300A/7919A or the Best-Tronics clone of it. It ain’t cheap though. From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] WTF apex 9 cable defects Been using APEX 9 cable for 3 years with no problems until the last year. Earlier this year I unrolled some off a spool and the outer jacket was missing in a spot, CTI sent me a new box and wanted the old one back, today found another box with a HUGE section of outerjacket missing, obvious manufacturing defect because the footage marking was printed on the foil shield! Opened another box from the same pallet and immediately found another defect on that roll that wasn't even off the spool yet. I need to find another brand of cable, I CAN NOT be having these poor quality control issues showing up on towers which is where this cable was being installed today Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
