Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
I would suggest this test be done in that post. I'm sure Jim would be more than happy to comply. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: While I applaud the initiative to do a comparison test, there are quiet a few things in this test presentation that would cause one to raise an eyebrow... First one that jumps out is ... how come an 802.11n radio is grouped together with all of these other 802.11ac radios ? (EPMP is not the same category radio as the others) Additionally, information is lacking about what firmware versions were in use with these radios, and I believe choosing a fixed tx power for the test, as an approach to equalize testing parameters is bound to provided some skewed results.. especially with radios which are auto balancing power on the CPE side, e.g. epmp and also the mimosa's.. A few years back, Exalt ran a similar test for their Extend-air radios, they list out their test setup in detail here ...http://www.exaltcom.com/ExtendAir-vs-Wi-Fi.aspx I believe if the comparison between these different radios were done along the lines of Exalt test, the results would be much more meaningful to real life deployment... ... My experience with the couple of AC radios is that they need SNR to be as high as possiblewhich greatly affects performance, additionally, with the Mimosa's I see they are pretty comfortable in working with -30 signals... not sure if the other AC products behave the same way While it is nice to see which radio can deal with interference, I for one would like to know how these different AC radios perform when the SNR is reduced...along with how 'hot' of a signal they can deal with ... e.g. with the Mimosa, we see them operating, and performing well, with a -30/-34 signal when the noise floor is -60 I for one would be interested in seeing what the other AC radios do in such conditions. Regards Faisal Imtiaz *From: *Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *To: *af af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:52:37 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP. That said, the conclusion the the AF5x is the best is probably right :P On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: If your criterion is performance in the presence of a signal on a different frequency 30 dB stronger than the desired signal, this analysis is relevant. Also, this seems to be the scenario airPrism is designed to address. But how often would this occur? Even if the interference is from another non-synced transmitter on the same tower, you’d think directional antennas would knock the interfering signal down to less than 1000 times the desired signal. I guess this could be realistic if you have a point to point link in the same band as a sector, so that a giant dish at the other end is pointed right at your sector. *From:* Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com ; Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Horseshit, read the article. Did you miss the portion where Jim said it's the exact same chip that's in the RM5? I would have liked to have seen the RM5 in this test as a baseline, but ignoring the results simply because it's N tech in the EPMP is silly. Not only does the throughput drop, but the LEVEL it degrades at is only bested by the B5C in a few of the tests. N or not, that's a very poor result. I would love to see other tests posted on this from other people, its always nice to have multiple sources to remove any potential level of bias. Jim did an excellent job on this and should be commended. On April 18, 2015 2:26:50 PM AKDT, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us mailto:se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 4/18/15 2:49 PM, Peter Kranz wrote: Very interesting shootout comparing AF5X, AC-Lite, AC PTP, EPMP-1000, B5c and RB922
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
Except those competitors don't sync with you, and it's very often that our clients don't actually have the strongest signal to our tower, but somebody else's. Many of our clients see 15-20 APs, and many more are hidden because they are 30 or 40MHz wide channels. There are environments much, much worse than ours. GPS sync is good *in certain environments, in certain situations*, but it is not this mythical magic bullet that allows you to be a lazy operator. Also, by the results today, the only real viable solution on the market at this time that does have GPS sync in a PtMP configuration does piss poor in adjacent channel interference environments, which is exactly the type of environment I'm in. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:11 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction), its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would currently excel in that scenario. There are many places where we are, for instance, where multiple competitors, city and state links, federal, etc have towers less than a mile from us. Having the ability to shrug off that adjacent and co channel noise is critical for us. On April 18, 2015 4:52:38 PM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP. That said, the conclusion the the AF5x is the best is probably right :P On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: If your criterion is performance in the presence of a signal on a different frequency 30 dB stronger than the desired signal, this analysis is relevant. Also, this seems to be the scenario airPrism is designed to address. But how often would this occur? Even if the interference is from another non-synced transmitter on the same tower, you’d think directional antennas would knock the interfering signal down to less than 1000 times the desired signal. I guess this could be realistic if you have a point to point link in the same band as a sector, so that a giant dish at the other end is pointed right at your sector. *From:* Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com ; Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Horseshit, read the article. Did you miss the portion where Jim said it's the exact same chip that's in the RM5? I would have liked to have seen the RM5 in this test as a baseline, but ignoring the results simply because it's N tech in the EPMP is silly. Not only does the throughput drop, but the LEVEL it degrades at is only bested by the B5C in a few of the tests. N or not, that's a very poor result. I would love to see other tests posted on this from other people, its always nice to have multiple sources to remove any potential level of bias. Jim did an excellent job on this and should be commended. On April 18, 2015 2:26:50 PM AKDT, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us mailto:se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 4/18/15 2:49 PM, Peter Kranz wrote: Very interesting shootout comparing AF5X, AC-Lite, AC PTP, EPMP-1000, B5c and RB922
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
I agree wholeheartedly. We are very much looking into ET Industries beamforming antennas. We may start doing a trial run with those and the RM5-PTMP. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:42 PM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: We need a combination of GPS, Filtering, Beamforming and automatic spectrum optimization. So this UBNT filtering with a working gps added with stuff Mimosa announced. Radios who look at the spectrum and select the best channels on their own talking to other radios for a network wide optimization. *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Reynolds *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 19. April 2015 09:31 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Yes, GPS sync helps with yourself, you are absolutely right. It doesn't help a damn about the combined noisefloors of dozens or hundreds of radios your RF front end hears though, the receiver's selectivity is destroyed despite your sync. It also doesn't do anything about your competitor transmitting on an adjacent channel, the same channel, or an overlapping channel on one you are trying to receive on at your AP. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:26 PM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: You can reduce self interference with GPS. So with limited spectrum you can optimize it with ABAB. If you need to use adjacent channels on your APs GPS Sync reduces the problems. Your own radios are close together so you see them at much higher levels then your competitors radios. Your backhauls point at your towers exactly. For sure in congested areas licensed is the way to go for backhaul. *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Reynolds *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 19. April 2015 08:54 *An:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. You're not. Explain to me how single player GPS sync helps in a mixed environment of various vendors when your equipment is in the beamwidth many other competitors and your radios suck in the presence of adjacent channel noise? It doesn't. It doesn't at all. Notch filters would help those radios in that scenario, but it's not really practical unless you just like to climb towers for kicks. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You may not need the benefits, but it doesn't mean I'm not correct. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:15:53 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Nope. Having great success with no sync using Ubiquiti radios. Now with new channels even better. Just like Mesh. Not ready for prime time on my TV... Jaime Solorza On Apr 18, 2015 10:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction), its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would currently excel
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
Correction RM5AC-PTMP Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I agree wholeheartedly. We are very much looking into ET Industries beamforming antennas. We may start doing a trial run with those and the RM5-PTMP. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:42 PM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: We need a combination of GPS, Filtering, Beamforming and automatic spectrum optimization. So this UBNT filtering with a working gps added with stuff Mimosa announced. Radios who look at the spectrum and select the best channels on their own talking to other radios for a network wide optimization. *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Reynolds *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 19. April 2015 09:31 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Yes, GPS sync helps with yourself, you are absolutely right. It doesn't help a damn about the combined noisefloors of dozens or hundreds of radios your RF front end hears though, the receiver's selectivity is destroyed despite your sync. It also doesn't do anything about your competitor transmitting on an adjacent channel, the same channel, or an overlapping channel on one you are trying to receive on at your AP. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:26 PM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: You can reduce self interference with GPS. So with limited spectrum you can optimize it with ABAB. If you need to use adjacent channels on your APs GPS Sync reduces the problems. Your own radios are close together so you see them at much higher levels then your competitors radios. Your backhauls point at your towers exactly. For sure in congested areas licensed is the way to go for backhaul. *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Reynolds *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 19. April 2015 08:54 *An:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. You're not. Explain to me how single player GPS sync helps in a mixed environment of various vendors when your equipment is in the beamwidth many other competitors and your radios suck in the presence of adjacent channel noise? It doesn't. It doesn't at all. Notch filters would help those radios in that scenario, but it's not really practical unless you just like to climb towers for kicks. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You may not need the benefits, but it doesn't mean I'm not correct. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:15:53 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Nope. Having great success with no sync using Ubiquiti radios. Now with new channels even better. Just like Mesh. Not ready for prime time on my TV... Jaime Solorza On Apr 18, 2015 10:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best
Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
April 18, 2015 8:44 AM = I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different tunnels. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Which one? On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: My proposal still stands. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote No community support, no business. http://www.onesc.net/communities/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no support at all from some of the transit providers… From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a very limited amount. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation depends on the carrier. On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: blockquote Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ? /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
if there was a good 25db dish out there that I liked i would use it... Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:41 AM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote: I'm also quite confused on some people using low gain antennas for this. At a minimum, people should be using 25 db dish antennas. We plan on using minimum 30 db dishes on these links to improve link budget and block noise with the narrower beam. Why all of a sudden 2-3 people are using panel antennas is beyond me. We don't have one panel antenna in our network and not sure why we'd ever start either. Dishes all the way! On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: PS. You might want to consider water proofing that GPS connector as well.. They way that boot works has always made me feel like it’s a perfect water cup. image001.png -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
You're not. Explain to me how single player GPS sync helps in a mixed environment of various vendors when your equipment is in the beamwidth many other competitors and your radios suck in the presence of adjacent channel noise? It doesn't. It doesn't at all. Notch filters would help those radios in that scenario, but it's not really practical unless you just like to climb towers for kicks. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You may not need the benefits, but it doesn't mean I'm not correct. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:15:53 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Nope. Having great success with no sync using Ubiquiti radios. Now with new channels even better. Just like Mesh. Not ready for prime time on my TV... Jaime Solorza On Apr 18, 2015 10:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction), its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would currently excel in that scenario. There are many places where we are, for instance, where multiple competitors, city and state links, federal, etc have towers less than a mile from us. Having the ability to shrug off that adjacent and co channel noise is critical for us. On April 18, 2015 4:52:38 PM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP. That said, the conclusion the the AF5x is the best is probably right :P On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: If your criterion is performance in the presence of a signal on a different frequency 30 dB stronger than the desired signal, this analysis is relevant. Also, this seems to be the scenario airPrism is designed to address. But how often would this occur? Even if the interference is from another non-synced transmitter on the same tower, you’d think directional antennas would knock the interfering signal down to less than 1000 times the desired signal. I guess this could be realistic if you have a point to point link in the same band as a sector, so that a giant dish at the other end is pointed right at your sector. *From:* Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com ; Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Horseshit, read the article. Did you miss the portion where Jim said it's the exact same chip that's in the RM5? I would have liked to have seen
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
What about a 24dBi? http://www.brinknetworks.com/jirous-jrc-24-ex-mimo-1-dual-polarity-high-performance-dish/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:08 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: if there was a good 25db dish out there that I liked i would use it... Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:41 AM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote: I'm also quite confused on some people using low gain antennas for this. At a minimum, people should be using 25 db dish antennas. We plan on using minimum 30 db dishes on these links to improve link budget and block noise with the narrower beam. Why all of a sudden 2-3 people are using panel antennas is beyond me. We don't have one panel antenna in our network and not sure why we'd ever start either. Dishes all the way! On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: PS. You might want to consider water proofing that GPS connector as well.. They way that boot works has always made me feel like it’s a perfect water cup. image001.png -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
That's fine. The less usable spectrum you have, the more you need to optimize what you have. The more middle of nowhere it doesn't matter what you do. the more you have neighbors, the more you have to plan more carefully and use better gear. You know I operate in the Chicago metro area. You know I have a dozen WISP competitors (last time I counted), not to mention the same private users that you mention. I know a busy airspace. I don't put as much into Jim's findings regarding the ePMP as you. 802.11ac is 33% - 38% more efficient than N. The ePMP still isn't a great performer in Jim's charts, but it gets a heck of a lot closer. Now put two of the PtMP platforms tested on the same tower and see who wins. Two of them back to back and ePMP is still only using 20 MHz, while the others are using 40 because they can't be using the same frequency back to back. It'd be interesting to see how the 450 stacks up. I'm not likely to deploy 450, but would like to see how it compares. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:49:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Except those competitors don't sync with you, and it's very often that our clients don't actually have the strongest signal to our tower, but somebody else's. Many of our clients see 15-20 APs, and many more are hidden because they are 30 or 40MHz wide channels. There are environments much, much worse than ours. GPS sync is good *in certain environments, in certain situations*, but it is not this mythical magic bullet that allows you to be a lazy operator. Also, by the results today, the only real viable solution on the market at this time that does have GPS sync in a PtMP configuration does piss poor in adjacent channel interference environments, which is exactly the type of environment I'm in. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:11 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com , Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction), its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would currently excel in that scenario. There are many places where we are, for instance, where multiple competitors, city and state links, federal, etc have towers less than a mile from us. Having the ability to shrug off that adjacent and co channel noise is critical for us. On April 18, 2015 4:52:38 PM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP. That said, the conclusion the the AF5x is the best is probably right :P On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: blockquote If your criterion is performance in the presence of a signal on a different frequency 30 dB stronger than the desired signal, this analysis is relevant. Also, this seems to be the scenario airPrism is designed to address. But how often would this occur? Even if the interference is from another non-synced transmitter on the same tower, you’d think directional antennas would knock the interfering signal down to less than 1000 times the desired signal. I guess this could be realistic if you have a point to point link in the same band as a sector, so that a giant dish at the other end is pointed right at your sector. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:34 PM To: af@afmug.com ; Seth Mattinen Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Horseshit, read the article. Did you miss the portion where Jim said it's the exact same chip that's in the RM5? I would have liked to have seen the RM5 in this test as a baseline, but ignoring the results
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
You can reduce self interference with GPS. So with limited spectrum you can optimize it with ABAB. If you need to use adjacent channels on your APs GPS Sync reduces the problems. Your own radios are close together so you see them at much higher levels then your competitors radios. Your backhauls point at your towers exactly. For sure in congested areas licensed is the way to go for backhaul. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. April 2015 08:54 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. You're not. Explain to me how single player GPS sync helps in a mixed environment of various vendors when your equipment is in the beamwidth many other competitors and your radios suck in the presence of adjacent channel noise? It doesn't. It doesn't at all. Notch filters would help those radios in that scenario, but it's not really practical unless you just like to climb towers for kicks. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You may not need the benefits, but it doesn't mean I'm not correct. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:15:53 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Nope. Having great success with no sync using Ubiquiti radios. Now with new channels even better. Just like Mesh. Not ready for prime time on my TV... Jaime Solorza On Apr 18, 2015 10:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com , Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction), its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would currently excel in that scenario. There are many places where we are, for instance, where multiple competitors, city and state links, federal, etc have towers less than a mile from us. Having the ability to shrug off that adjacent and co channel noise is critical for us. On April 18, 2015 4:52:38 PM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP. That said, the conclusion the the AF5x is the best is probably right :P On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: If your criterion is performance in the presence of a signal on a different frequency 30 dB stronger than the desired signal, this analysis is relevant. Also, this seems to be the scenario airPrism is designed to address. But how often would this occur? Even if the interference is from another non-synced transmitter on the same tower, you’d think directional antennas would knock the interfering signal down to less than 1000 times the desired signal. I guess this could be realistic if you have a point to point link in the same band as a sector, so that a giant dish at the other end is pointed right at your sector. From: Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:34 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com ; Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Horseshit, read the article. Did
[AFMUG] 18 Ghz license Link
Looking for a 18 ghz License Link, or maybe 18 ghz ODU´s of PTP 800.who can help? Daniel
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
No idea why they would want to use such low gain antennas either. Low gain antennas doesn't make sense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:22:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far! Hi, The sensitivity of the DFS receiver increases as the antenna gain decreases. The lowest gain DFS is certified for is a 23 dBi antenna gain. Setting an antenna gain lower than 23 dBi may result in unwanted DFS detections. As an observation, I will say I am a bit surprised at all of the folks talking about sub 23 dBi antennas. When we released the AF5/AF5U 10X full duplex radios, there was some discussion suggesting that was that our antenna gain was too low (23 dBi). Now that we have an external antenna radio, is surprises me how many people want to go lower when using a higher gain antenna (narrower beam) should physically tune out more external interference. Food for thought, Chuck OT: Just saw Ex Machina - 2 thumbs up! On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I recalled Chuck mentioning something like that at AF. I guess I should have taken notes. On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote I've got 3 DFS set... No problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 11:30 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote It was talked about that you absolutely need to set your antenna gain exactly for DFS to work. I think they also mentioned that you couldn't use DFS freqs for both polarities without getting detections. So I believe one freq would have to be non-DFS and one DFS. Did I catch that correctly? Anyone? Or was it just that both polarities couldn't be the same DFS freq? On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Definitely set it in the DFS band! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: blockquote Ken, This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them. Josh, No I did not set antenna gain. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: blockquote There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let you cheat on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc. On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60. I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll just be showing 38 on the interface. On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Did you set 23dbi gain? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: blockquote First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on both ends. Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect. Even though I was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the same tower. Pretty sure the radar detection was coming from itself because it would pass the initial bootup listen period and once it started transmitting would then get the detections. So don't know what that was about. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
The UBNT boots are just pretty addons. THe connector itself is IP67 compliant and no weatherproofing is needed at all. Not sure why people keep thinking they need to put all this crap on every connector, or if they do need to, why their vendors haven't improved their designs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:30:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far! PS. You might want to consider water proofing that GPS connector as well.. They way that boot works has always made me feel like it’s a perfect water cup.
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
Yes, GPS sync helps with yourself, you are absolutely right. It doesn't help a damn about the combined noisefloors of dozens or hundreds of radios your RF front end hears though, the receiver's selectivity is destroyed despite your sync. It also doesn't do anything about your competitor transmitting on an adjacent channel, the same channel, or an overlapping channel on one you are trying to receive on at your AP. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:26 PM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: You can reduce self interference with GPS. So with limited spectrum you can optimize it with ABAB. If you need to use adjacent channels on your APs GPS Sync reduces the problems. Your own radios are close together so you see them at much higher levels then your competitors radios. Your backhauls point at your towers exactly. For sure in congested areas licensed is the way to go for backhaul. *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Reynolds *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 19. April 2015 08:54 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. You're not. Explain to me how single player GPS sync helps in a mixed environment of various vendors when your equipment is in the beamwidth many other competitors and your radios suck in the presence of adjacent channel noise? It doesn't. It doesn't at all. Notch filters would help those radios in that scenario, but it's not really practical unless you just like to climb towers for kicks. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You may not need the benefits, but it doesn't mean I'm not correct. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:15:53 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Nope. Having great success with no sync using Ubiquiti radios. Now with new channels even better. Just like Mesh. Not ready for prime time on my TV... Jaime Solorza On Apr 18, 2015 10:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction), its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would currently excel in that scenario. There are many places where we are, for instance, where multiple competitors, city and state links, federal, etc have towers less than a mile from us. Having the ability to shrug off that adjacent and co channel noise is critical for us. On April 18, 2015 4:52:38 PM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP.
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
A good point is looking at using both radios of B5c. They do not double performance using 2 channels with this perfect conditions. So there is interference between the 2 channels? I asked Mimosa at a webinar if it is a problem to use adjacent channels with both radios. They say „no problem“. I never got good results doing this. So how they separate there 2 radios. Is it a simple diplexer?
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
I think we've had more than one discussion on how awesome the Jirous dishes are. Other than maybe something super high end like Andrews, Gabriel, RadioWaves, etc. at $1k/dish, I don't see a need to use any other manufacturer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:15:52 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far! What about a 24dBi? http://www.brinknetworks.com/jirous-jrc-24-ex-mimo-1-dual-polarity-high-performance-dish/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:08 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: if there was a good 25db dish out there that I liked i would use it... Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Apr 19, 2015, at 1:41 AM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote: blockquote I'm also quite confused on some people using low gain antennas for this. At a minimum, people should be using 25 db dish antennas. We plan on using minimum 30 db dishes on these links to improve link budget and block noise with the narrower beam. Why all of a sudden 2-3 people are using panel antennas is beyond me. We don't have one panel antenna in our network and not sure why we'd ever start either. Dishes all the way! On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: blockquote PS. You might want to consider water proofing that GPS connector as well.. They way that boot works has always made me feel like it’s a perfect water cup. image001.png -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
We need a combination of GPS, Filtering, Beamforming and automatic spectrum optimization. So this UBNT filtering with a working gps added with stuff Mimosa announced. Radios who look at the spectrum and select the best channels on their own talking to other radios for a network wide optimization. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. April 2015 09:31 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Yes, GPS sync helps with yourself, you are absolutely right. It doesn't help a damn about the combined noisefloors of dozens or hundreds of radios your RF front end hears though, the receiver's selectivity is destroyed despite your sync. It also doesn't do anything about your competitor transmitting on an adjacent channel, the same channel, or an overlapping channel on one you are trying to receive on at your AP. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:26 PM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: You can reduce self interference with GPS. So with limited spectrum you can optimize it with ABAB. If you need to use adjacent channels on your APs GPS Sync reduces the problems. Your own radios are close together so you see them at much higher levels then your competitors radios. Your backhauls point at your towers exactly. For sure in congested areas licensed is the way to go for backhaul. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. April 2015 08:54 An: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. You're not. Explain to me how single player GPS sync helps in a mixed environment of various vendors when your equipment is in the beamwidth many other competitors and your radios suck in the presence of adjacent channel noise? It doesn't. It doesn't at all. Notch filters would help those radios in that scenario, but it's not really practical unless you just like to climb towers for kicks. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You may not need the benefits, but it doesn't mean I'm not correct. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:15:53 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Nope. Having great success with no sync using Ubiquiti radios. Now with new channels even better. Just like Mesh. Not ready for prime time on my TV... Jaime Solorza On Apr 18, 2015 10:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com , Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction), its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would currently excel in that scenario. There are many places where we are, for instance, where multiple competitors, city and state links, federal, etc have towers less than a mile from us. Having the ability to shrug off that adjacent and co channel noise is critical for us. On April 18, 2015 4:52:38 PM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP. That
Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
Yes, I clearly understand how to implement. Just was wondering if someone offered it turn-key. I'm thinking that mikrotik won't be turn key, might be a big hassle to make and keep it working On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: No, I'm suggesting you locate a Mikrotik box in the datacenter where you can get the BGP connection(s). Put a Mikrotik (or more) on the ends of the broadband fiber connections. VPN from them back to the MT at the datacenter. Your BGP stays at the datacenter, you use the VPNs as internal connectivity to the rest of the network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://midwest-ix.com/ -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:13:09 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP for me using a mikrotik? On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: April 18, 2015 8:44 AM = I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different tunnels. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Which one? On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: My proposal still stands. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: No community support, no business. http://www.onesc.net/communities/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no support at all from some of the transit providers… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
I honestly wish that were the case in more companies… my favorite is asking a potential transit provider “do you support communities” and the answer is almost always “yes”. Then I ask for a list of them and get a single community for black hole routing sent to me … duh….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 7:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream No community support, no business. http://www.onesc.net/communities/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no support at all from some of the transit providers… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a very limited amount. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation depends on the carrier. On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com mailto:t...@voltbb.com wrote: Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?
Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review
Vikings is pretty decent. Not history per say, but it keeps me tuning in every week. On April 19, 2015 11:48:22 AM AKDT, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: History Channel has produced a lot of bad programs lately, but today I saw a documentary titled World War II From Space that is worth watching. I think it was made in 2012 in the UK, and it's not actually from space. But it's produced in a way that will hold the attention of a generation raised on video games and CGI movies. Fast paced with good commentary and graphics. Obviously in 90 minutes you're not going to cover every detail, but I highly recommend it as an overview for people young enough to maybe not realize the enormity of that conflict and how it continues to influence events today. I am a baby boomer, my dad fought in that war, and yet I found it pretty riveting with some holy crap moments. Sorry, I realize this is OT, but it's unusual to see something on old fashioned linear TV worth recommending, especially since Sunday is such a TV wasteland except for sports. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
I'm not sure anyone would offer this given that you should be using purpose-built circuits for this. I'm not sure it would require much babysitting once it was done, other than the reliability of the circuits. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://midwest-ix.com/ - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:25:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Yes, I clearly understand how to implement. Just was wondering if someone offered it turn-key. I'm thinking that mikrotik won't be turn key, might be a big hassle to make and keep it working On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: No, I'm suggesting you locate a Mikrotik box in the datacenter where you can get the BGP connection(s). Put a Mikrotik (or more) on the ends of the broadband fiber connections. VPN from them back to the MT at the datacenter. Your BGP stays at the datacenter, you use the VPNs as internal connectivity to the rest of the network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://midwest-ix.com/ From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:13:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP for me using a mikrotik? On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote April 18, 2015 8:44 AM = I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different tunnels. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Which one? On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote My proposal still stands. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote No community support, no business. http://www.onesc.net/communities/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no support at all from some of the transit providers… From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a very limited amount. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I
Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors
Ha. Maybe I like a hard and stiffoops wrong list.. Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 2:24 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote: RG142 had a lot worse loss than LMR200. We do use it for duplexer connecting and test cables because it is so tough. There are a large number of Hellas manufacturers that have equivalent specs to Andrew without the steep price tag though. For jumpers between GHz radio and antenna I would stick with LMR200. honestly though, last time I checked you could buy them cheaper than you could make them. We buy LMR in 500 foot reels and connectors a indeed at a time and I can't make then as cheap as you can buy them. Parts cost for us is about $11 and we bought them for around $15. Of course if you don't count labor cost I guess you could view that as cheaper. On Apr 19, 2015 12:20 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Yes it is. We like it just like Andrew Heliax and Superflex Best for rockets are those metal one used inside some radios. Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: That looks like RG142. Very tough stuff, double shielded, FEP jacket, probably not flexible enough for short little UBNT jumpers though. I used to get RG142 jumpers from Pasternack. Not cheap, and I think the loss is higher than similar size LMR. I don’t hesitate to reuse RG142 jumpers though. Also I’m not sure I’d want to make my own jumpers using that stuff. *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:41 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors Belden twin shield is what we use to make pigtails Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 10:38 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Tessco. Lmr 200 works fine for me On Apr 19, 2015 7:08 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys Whats the best cable to make your own jumper cables for rockets and sectors? Also where is best place to get rp-sma male ends at? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP for me using a mikrotik? On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: April 18, 2015 8:44 AM = I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different tunnels. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Which one? On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: My proposal still stands. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: No community support, no business. http://www.onesc.net/communities/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no support at all from some of the transit providers… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a very limited amount. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation depends on the carrier. On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and
Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
No, I'm suggesting you locate a Mikrotik box in the datacenter where you can get the BGP connection(s). Put a Mikrotik (or more) on the ends of the broadband fiber connections. VPN from them back to the MT at the datacenter. Your BGP stays at the datacenter, you use the VPNs as internal connectivity to the rest of the network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://midwest-ix.com/ - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:13:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP for me using a mikrotik? On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: April 18, 2015 8:44 AM = I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different tunnels. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Which one? On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote My proposal still stands. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote No community support, no business. http://www.onesc.net/communities/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no support at all from some of the transit providers… From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a very limited amount. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation depends on the carrier. On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: blockquote Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ? /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
Do you think it's something u can use in a production environment? On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:25 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Yes, I clearly understand how to implement. Just was wondering if someone offered it turn-key. I'm thinking that mikrotik won't be turn key, might be a big hassle to make and keep it working On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: No, I'm suggesting you locate a Mikrotik box in the datacenter where you can get the BGP connection(s). Put a Mikrotik (or more) on the ends of the broadband fiber connections. VPN from them back to the MT at the datacenter. Your BGP stays at the datacenter, you use the VPNs as internal connectivity to the rest of the network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://midwest-ix.com/ -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:13:09 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I can't comprehend that, are you offering to do hosted bonding with BGP for me using a mikrotik? On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: April 18, 2015 8:44 AM = I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different tunnels. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:23:09 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Which one? On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: My proposal still stands. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: No community support, no business. http://www.onesc.net/communities/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no support at all from some of the transit providers… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
It'd be nice if they had a list like the old N-Layer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://midwest-ix.com/ - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:33:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I honestly wish that were the case in more companies… my favorite is asking a potential transit provider “do you support communities” and the answer is almost always “yes”. Then I ask for a list of them and get a single community for black hole routing sent to me … duh….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 7:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream No community support, no business. http://www.onesc.net/communities/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no support at all from some of the transit providers… From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a very limited amount. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation depends on the carrier. On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?
Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
Multiplied Networks has a solution for that … I’ve only seen demo and it looked pretty good .. going to be building a proof of concept with their stuff in another month … From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e. with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: No community support, no business. http://www.onesc.net/communities/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no support at all from some of the transit providers… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:26:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a very limited amount. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:34 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream A few years ago some company proposed an appliance that proclaimed to manage bgp for multiple circuits. Don't know if the they are still around. I personally don't think it is a good investment as so much of the bgp equation depends on the carrier. On Apr 17, 2015 2:47 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com mailto:t...@voltbb.com wrote: Anyone know of a service that can take several small business fiber circuits that don't support bgp and bond them and provide a bgp session ?
Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review
Your calling ancient aliens bad Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Apr 19, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: History Channel has produced a lot of bad programs lately, but today I saw a documentary titled World War II From Space that is worth watching. I think it was made in 2012 in the UK, and it's not actually from space. But it's produced in a way that will hold the attention of a generation raised on video games and CGI movies. Fast paced with good commentary and graphics. Obviously in 90 minutes you're not going to cover every detail, but I highly recommend it as an overview for people young enough to maybe not realize the enormity of that conflict and how it continues to influence events today. I am a baby boomer, my dad fought in that war, and yet I found it pretty riveting with some holy crap moments. Sorry, I realize this is OT, but it's unusual to see something on old fashioned linear TV worth recommending, especially since Sunday is such a TV wasteland except for sports.
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
shipped release Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Josh, I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Definitely set it in the DFS band! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Ken, This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them. Josh, No I did not set antenna gain. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let you cheat on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc. On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60. I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll just be showing 38 on the interface. On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did you set 23dbi gain? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on both ends. Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect. Even though I was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the same tower. Pretty sure the radar detection was coming from itself because it would pass the initial bootup listen period and once it started transmitting would then get the detections. So don't know what that was about. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
[AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review
History Channel has produced a lot of bad programs lately, but today I saw a documentary titled World War II From Space that is worth watching. I think it was made in 2012 in the UK, and it's not actually from space. But it's produced in a way that will hold the attention of a generation raised on video games and CGI movies. Fast paced with good commentary and graphics. Obviously in 90 minutes you're not going to cover every detail, but I highly recommend it as an overview for people young enough to maybe not realize the enormity of that conflict and how it continues to influence events today. I am a baby boomer, my dad fought in that war, and yet I found it pretty riveting with some holy crap moments. Sorry, I realize this is OT, but it's unusual to see something on old fashioned linear TV worth recommending, especially since Sunday is such a TV wasteland except for sports.
Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors
RG142 had a lot worse loss than LMR200. We do use it for duplexer connecting and test cables because it is so tough. There are a large number of Hellas manufacturers that have equivalent specs to Andrew without the steep price tag though. For jumpers between GHz radio and antenna I would stick with LMR200. honestly though, last time I checked you could buy them cheaper than you could make them. We buy LMR in 500 foot reels and connectors a indeed at a time and I can't make then as cheap as you can buy them. Parts cost for us is about $11 and we bought them for around $15. Of course if you don't count labor cost I guess you could view that as cheaper. On Apr 19, 2015 12:20 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Yes it is. We like it just like Andrew Heliax and Superflex Best for rockets are those metal one used inside some radios. Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: That looks like RG142. Very tough stuff, double shielded, FEP jacket, probably not flexible enough for short little UBNT jumpers though. I used to get RG142 jumpers from Pasternack. Not cheap, and I think the loss is higher than similar size LMR. I don’t hesitate to reuse RG142 jumpers though. Also I’m not sure I’d want to make my own jumpers using that stuff. *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:41 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors Belden twin shield is what we use to make pigtails Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 10:38 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Tessco. Lmr 200 works fine for me On Apr 19, 2015 7:08 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys Whats the best cable to make your own jumper cables for rockets and sectors? Also where is best place to get rp-sma male ends at? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review
We are aliens! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Apr 19, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The Aliens Channel. All aliens, all the time. -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review Your calling ancient aliens bad Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Apr 19, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: History Channel has produced a lot of bad programs lately, but today I saw a documentary titled World War II From Space that is worth watching. I think it was made in 2012 in the UK, and it's not actually from space. But it's produced in a way that will hold the attention of a generation raised on video games and CGI movies. Fast paced with good commentary and graphics. Obviously in 90 minutes you're not going to cover every detail, but I highly recommend it as an overview for people young enough to maybe not realize the enormity of that conflict and how it continues to influence events today. I am a baby boomer, my dad fought in that war, and yet I found it pretty riveting with some holy crap moments. Sorry, I realize this is OT, but it's unusual to see something on old fashioned linear TV worth recommending, especially since Sunday is such a TV wasteland except for sports.
Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review
The Aliens Channel. All aliens, all the time. -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - TV documentary review Your calling ancient aliens bad Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Apr 19, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: History Channel has produced a lot of bad programs lately, but today I saw a documentary titled World War II From Space that is worth watching. I think it was made in 2012 in the UK, and it's not actually from space. But it's produced in a way that will hold the attention of a generation raised on video games and CGI movies. Fast paced with good commentary and graphics. Obviously in 90 minutes you're not going to cover every detail, but I highly recommend it as an overview for people young enough to maybe not realize the enormity of that conflict and how it continues to influence events today. I am a baby boomer, my dad fought in that war, and yet I found it pretty riveting with some holy crap moments. Sorry, I realize this is OT, but it's unusual to see something on old fashioned linear TV worth recommending, especially since Sunday is such a TV wasteland except for sports.
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
I'd suggest you try the upgrade. I haven't had any DFS problems outside. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: shipped release Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Josh, I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Definitely set it in the DFS band! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Ken, This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them. Josh, No I did not set antenna gain. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let you cheat on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc. On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60. I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll just be showing 38 on the interface. On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did you set 23dbi gain? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on both ends. Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect. Even though I was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the same tower. Pretty sure the radar detection was coming from itself because it would pass the initial bootup listen period and once it started transmitting would then get the detections. So don't know what that was about. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
[AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors
Guys Whats the best cable to make your own jumper cables for rockets and sectors? Also where is best place to get rp-sma male ends at? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
While it the connector itself may be IP67 complaint, I have seen several crimp jobs of the cable onto the connector where there were gaps that would allow water to penetrate down into the connector. If this particular GPS cable suffers from a poor crimp, the cup formed by the boot will cause premature failure. -PK
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
Josh, I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Definitely set it in the DFS band! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Ken, This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them. Josh, No I did not set antenna gain. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let you cheat on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc. On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60. I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll just be showing 38 on the interface. On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did you set 23dbi gain? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on both ends. Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect. Even though I was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the same tower. Pretty sure the radar detection was coming from itself because it would pass the initial bootup listen period and once it started transmitting would then get the detections. So don't know what that was about. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
Lots of things just work. Also, if you're thinking I'm not a proponent of big SNR, then you're sadly mistaken. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 9:19:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. I don't care how many QAMs your radio can do, if you don't have the SNR, you don't get the bandwidth. We replaced some UBNT 3.65 sectors with the 3.6 450. Obviously the 450 won. Nearly the same signal and noise levels. I don't know what it is about the UBNT 3.65, but it just sucks. Yep, the 450 is expensive, but it works. On 4/19/2015 7:32 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's fine. The less usable spectrum you have, the more you need to optimize what you have. The more middle of nowhere it doesn't matter what you do. the more you have neighbors, the more you have to plan more carefully and use better gear. You know I operate in the Chicago metro area. You know I have a dozen WISP competitors (last time I counted), not to mention the same private users that you mention. I know a busy airspace. I don't put as much into Jim's findings regarding the ePMP as you. 802.11ac is 33% - 38% more efficient than N. The ePMP still isn't a great performer in Jim's charts, but it gets a heck of a lot closer. Now put two of the PtMP platforms tested on the same tower and see who wins. Two of them back to back and ePMP is still only using 20 MHz, while the others are using 40 because they can't be using the same frequency back to back. It'd be interesting to see how the 450 stacks up. I'm not likely to deploy 450, but would like to see how it compares. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:49:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Except those competitors don't sync with you, and it's very often that our clients don't actually have the strongest signal to our tower, but somebody else's. Many of our clients see 15-20 APs, and many more are hidden because they are 30 or 40MHz wide channels. There are environments much, much worse than ours. GPS sync is good *in certain environments, in certain situations*, but it is not this mythical magic bullet that allows you to be a lazy operator. Also, by the results today, the only real viable solution on the market at this time that does have GPS sync in a PtMP configuration does piss poor in adjacent channel interference environments, which is exactly the type of environment I'm in. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:11 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com , Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction), its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would currently excel in that scenario. There are many places where we are, for instance, where multiple competitors, city and state links, federal, etc have towers less than a mile from us. Having the ability to shrug off that adjacent and co channel noise is critical for us. On April 18, 2015 4:52:38 PM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP. That said, the conclusion the the AF5x is the best is probably right :P On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: blockquote If your criterion is performance in the presence of a signal on a different frequency 30 dB stronger than the desired signal, this analysis is relevant. Also, this seems to be the scenario airPrism is
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
Really curious how well this works, without sync I would think you’d get too much RF into one of the other radios. Perhaps Airprism would help with this. If it does work I might try this myself. -PK From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Correction RM5AC-PTMP Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: I agree wholeheartedly. We are very much looking into ET Industries beamforming antennas. We may start doing a trial run with those and the RM5-PTMP. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
I mastic and tape all of my connectors. There's no reason not to. I know I have never said I wish I hadn't sealed these connectors that have been here for five years without getting water in them. I still love that the boot makes it easier to remove the cables once it has been sealed. Anyone who has ever sealed SMA connectors that don't have a boot and then down the road tried to remove them know that the mastic gets into every crack and thread and makes unscrewing it a total pain. On another note, Chuck's post makes me glad that all of my AF5Xs are going up on 30db 34db dishes. On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: While it the connector itself may be IP67 complaint, I have seen several crimp jobs of the cable onto the connector where there were gaps that would allow water to penetrate down into the connector. If this particular GPS cable suffers from a poor crimp, the cup formed by the boot will cause premature failure. -PK
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
I am replacing Rockets, and I will be changing the orientation for dual slant. We're in the process of getting backup links in place and cutting over to them so that we can modify the dishes without significant downtime. On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Are you replacing Rockets? If yes, are you rotating the feed to get dual slant? *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far! I mastic and tape all of my connectors. There's no reason not to. I know I have never said I wish I hadn't sealed these connectors that have been here for five years without getting water in them. I still love that the boot makes it easier to remove the cables once it has been sealed. Anyone who has ever sealed SMA connectors that don't have a boot and then down the road tried to remove them know that the mastic gets into every crack and thread and makes unscrewing it a total pain. On another note, Chuck's post makes me glad that all of my AF5Xs are going up on 30db 34db dishes. On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: While it the connector itself may be IP67 complaint, I have seen several crimp jobs of the cable onto the connector where there were gaps that would allow water to penetrate down into the connector. If this particular GPS cable suffers from a poor crimp, the cup formed by the boot will cause premature failure. -PK
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
I don't care how many QAMs your radio can do, if you don't have the SNR, you don't get the bandwidth. We replaced some UBNT 3.65 sectors with the 3.6 450. Obviously the 450 won. Nearly the same signal and noise levels. I don't know what it is about the UBNT 3.65, but it just sucks. Yep, the 450 is expensive, but it works. On 4/19/2015 7:32 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's fine. The less usable spectrum you have, the more you need to optimize what you have. The more middle of nowhere it doesn't matter what you do. the more you have neighbors, the more you have to plan more carefully and use better gear. You know I operate in the Chicago metro area. You know I have a dozen WISP competitors (last time I counted), not to mention the same private users that you mention. I know a busy airspace. I don't put as much into Jim's findings regarding the ePMP as you. 802.11ac is 33% - 38% more efficient than N. The ePMP still isn't a great performer in Jim's charts, but it gets a heck of a lot closer. Now put two of the PtMP platforms tested on the same tower and see who wins. Two of them back to back and ePMP is still only using 20 MHz, while the others are using 40 because they can't be using the same frequency back to back. It'd be interesting to see how the 450 stacks up. I'm not likely to deploy 450, but would like to see how it compares. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:49:46 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Except those competitors don't sync with you, and it's very often that our clients don't actually have the strongest signal to our tower, but somebody else's. Many of our clients see 15-20 APs, and many more are hidden because they are 30 or 40MHz wide channels. There are environments much, much worse than ours. GPS sync is good *in certain environments, in certain situations*, but it is not this mythical magic bullet that allows you to be a lazy operator. Also, by the results today, the only real viable solution on the market at this time that does have GPS sync in a PtMP configuration does piss poor in adjacent channel interference environments, which is exactly the type of environment I'm in. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:11 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction), its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would currently excel in that scenario. There are many places where we are, for instance, where multiple competitors, city and state links, federal, etc have towers less than a mile from us. Having the ability to shrug off that adjacent and co channel noise is critical for us. On April 18, 2015 4:52:38 PM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP. That said, the conclusion the the AF5x is the best is probably right :P On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
We used to put electrical tape under the mastic until we discovered fusion tape. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far! I mastic and tape all of my connectors. There's no reason not to. I know I have never said I wish I hadn't sealed these connectors that have been here for five years without getting water in them. I still love that the boot makes it easier to remove the cables once it has been sealed. Anyone who has ever sealed SMA connectors that don't have a boot and then down the road tried to remove them know that the mastic gets into every crack and thread and makes unscrewing it a total pain. On another note, Chuck's post makes me glad that all of my AF5Xs are going up on 30db 34db dishes. On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.commailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: While it the connector itself may be IP67 complaint, I have seen several crimp jobs of the cable onto the connector where there were gaps that would allow water to penetrate down into the connector. If this particular GPS cable suffers from a poor crimp, the cup formed by the boot will cause premature failure. -PK
Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors
Those are tnc to n Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 10:38 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Tessco. Lmr 200 works fine for me On Apr 19, 2015 7:08 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys Whats the best cable to make your own jumper cables for rockets and sectors? Also where is best place to get rp-sma male ends at? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
Are you replacing Rockets? If yes, are you rotating the feed to get dual slant? From: Jeremy Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far! I mastic and tape all of my connectors. There's no reason not to. I know I have never said I wish I hadn't sealed these connectors that have been here for five years without getting water in them. I still love that the boot makes it easier to remove the cables once it has been sealed. Anyone who has ever sealed SMA connectors that don't have a boot and then down the road tried to remove them know that the mastic gets into every crack and thread and makes unscrewing it a total pain. On another note, Chuck's post makes me glad that all of my AF5Xs are going up on 30db 34db dishes. On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: While it the connector itself may be IP67 complaint, I have seen several crimp jobs of the cable onto the connector where there were gaps that would allow water to penetrate down into the connector. If this particular GPS cable suffers from a poor crimp, the cup formed by the boot will cause premature failure. -PK
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Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors
Tessco. Lmr 200 works fine for me On Apr 19, 2015 7:08 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys Whats the best cable to make your own jumper cables for rockets and sectors? Also where is best place to get rp-sma male ends at? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Josh, I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Definitely set it in the DFS band! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Ken, This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them. Josh, No I did not set antenna gain. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let you cheat on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc. On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60. I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll just be showing 38 on the interface. On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did you set 23dbi gain? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on both ends. Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect. Even though I was 50mhz away from anything else 5ghz on the same tower. Pretty sure the radar detection was coming from itself because it would pass the initial bootup listen period and once it started transmitting would then get the detections. So don't know what that was about. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors
That looks like RG142. Very tough stuff, double shielded, FEP jacket, probably not flexible enough for short little UBNT jumpers though. I used to get RG142 jumpers from Pasternack. Not cheap, and I think the loss is higher than similar size LMR. I don’t hesitate to reuse RG142 jumpers though. Also I’m not sure I’d want to make my own jumpers using that stuff. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:41 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors Belden twin shield is what we use to make pigtails Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 10:38 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Tessco. Lmr 200 works fine for me On Apr 19, 2015 7:08 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys Whats the best cable to make your own jumper cables for rockets and sectors? Also where is best place to get rp-sma male ends at? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors
Yes it is. We like it just like Andrew Heliax and Superflex Best for rockets are those metal one used inside some radios. Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: That looks like RG142. Very tough stuff, double shielded, FEP jacket, probably not flexible enough for short little UBNT jumpers though. I used to get RG142 jumpers from Pasternack. Not cheap, and I think the loss is higher than similar size LMR. I don’t hesitate to reuse RG142 jumpers though. Also I’m not sure I’d want to make my own jumpers using that stuff. *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:41 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] making your own jumpers cable for rockets and sectors Belden twin shield is what we use to make pigtails Jaime Solorza On Apr 19, 2015 10:38 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Tessco. Lmr 200 works fine for me On Apr 19, 2015 7:08 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys Whats the best cable to make your own jumper cables for rockets and sectors? Also where is best place to get rp-sma male ends at? Tim
