date:20160113

I never did like that show :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 13, 2016 4:04 AM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:

> Totally safe. It's from Scrubs.
>
> ryan
>
> --
> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
> broadband | telco | colo | communities
> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
> 425-939-0047
>
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 18:26, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Ya uhm not sure I'm clicking that...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 12, 2016 9:13 PM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:
>
>> http://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5658arTRD1qcmtopo1_250.gif
>>
>> ryan
>>
>>
>> On 1/12/16 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> <3
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jan 12, 2016 6:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I love you josh
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 You know those are all in Data Export?  If you can do a CSV export you
 can delete the excess columns.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:06 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> the built in reports list everything ither than the "none" group and
> the "all" group. Anybody know the ID for group in the custom reports, and
> maybe the syntax I need? Customer Id, Name, Group, Status would be a great
> report. Powercode did not get back to me
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>> broadband | telco | colo | communities
>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294425-939-0047
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] I know it is not Friday


What's the depth on the surge protector housing?

We've been mounting them on the inside of a cabinet door, which works 
with Cambium 200SS, but some other products are too deep.




On 1/12/2016 1:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But since I have not done a list blast for a while, I thought I could 
get away with it.

Will be sending something similar with a Mailchimp email too.
Designed by customer request:
http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
Allows the DC power conductor to have protection at the top or bottom 
of the tower.  Heavy duty gas tube protection backed up by solid state 
protection.  7 amp circuit fuse included.  LEDS to indicate the 
condition of the fuse. Choke inductance to limit surge transmittal 
from one side of the circuit to the other.

Back by customer demand:
http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
*There is a video of the unit in operation on this web page. *
The ice shield is at a lower price than before.

Re: [AFMUG] 14.1.1 MIBS

2016-01-13 Thread Matt Mangriotis

Thanks for pointing this out... they've been uncorrupted on the site.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 14.1.1 MIBS

Can somebody send me a non-corrupted mib file?

The one on the website is corrupt.

[AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps this
presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost bite,
I gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
better solution for 1 and many runs.

What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need access
to the cables?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

The water comes from inside the cable.  I've really got no ideas at this
point - it's happened with every manufacturer and on different sites.  No
pattern to it (yet, hopefully...)

Those do look really nice - I like the idea of 3 cables per grommit and it
would simply be RJ45 again (as opposed to rj45ecs).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If this is going into an outdoor enclosure, why do you not want to just
> take the cable through a gland and then terminate the cable inside the box?
>
> I like these which take 3 shielded cables in one gland:
>
> http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-53621380/70233572/
>
> use to replace the bushing in any of their NPT-3/4 or PG21 glands, like:
>
> http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-s2134/70123709/
>
> don’t forget locknuts:
>
> http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-911372/70123717/
>
> If you have trouble with water coming down the cable, first thing is to
> find where it is getting in and fix that.  But you can do a drip loop and
> ring cut the jacket inside the box at a point where the water can drip out
> and not cause problems.  Or at one site I bought some 1 ft shielded jumpers
> and some shielded inline couplers just in case.  (I was stupid and
> assembled the box with a rack that had all the electronics facing straight
> up.)
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>
> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do you
> plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to the
> SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS every
> time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's the
>> end of it.
>>
>>
>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
>> Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
>> them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that
>> would be better if the general consensus goes that way.
>>
>> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to open
>> up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many
>> tightly done together you're screwed.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure I understand your question...
>>>
>>> Can you explain things a bit better?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>  wrote:
>>> > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
>>> this
>>> > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
>>> bite, I
>>> > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
>>> better
>>> > solution for 1 and many runs.
>>> >
>>> > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
>>> access to
>>> > the cables?
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Few circles of slack before/after this box.

Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work out
> of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you want to
> move an AP somewhere on the tower.
>
> *shrug*
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> LOL $500?
>>>
>>> I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.
 What compression fittings?

 If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
 http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
  My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that box?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> Drew u a pic
>
> AP cat5compression
> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do
>> you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight 
>> to
>> the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS
>> every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's
>>> the end of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with
>>> cat5/rj45.  Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How 
>>> do
>>> you organize them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, 
>>> but
>>> maybe that would be better if the general consensus goes that way.
>>>
>>> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to
>>> open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there 
>>> are
>>> many tightly done together you're screwed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure I understand your question...

 Can you explain things a bit better?

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:
 > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6)
 aps this
 > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some
 frost bite, I
 > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to
 have a better
 > solution for 1 and many

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Sure.

I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that
would be better if the general consensus goes that way.

My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to open
up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many
tightly done together you're screwed.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I'm not sure I understand your question...
>
> Can you explain things a bit better?
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps this
> > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
> bite, I
> > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
> better
> > solution for 1 and many runs.
> >
> > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
> access to
> > the cables?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

2016-01-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

we are terminating to leviton inserts on an open patch panel. We have had
good luck, suprisingly with the standard jacks, we sourced the rough
environment ones because I was afraid of the temp fluctuations causing
problems, but so far for 2 years theyve been good. We bond the bbdge shield
to the ground plate as it enters the enclosure and just run the exposed
inner sheath up to the panel

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Drew u a pic
>
> AP cat5compression
> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do you
>> plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to the
>> SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS every
>> time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's the
>>> end of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
>>> Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
>>> them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that
>>> would be better if the general consensus goes that way.
>>>
>>> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to
>>> open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are
>>> many tightly done together you're screwed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure I understand your question...

 Can you explain things a bit better?

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:
 > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
 this
 > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
 bite, I
 > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
 better
 > solution for 1 and many runs.
 >
 > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
 access to
 > the cables?
 >
 > Josh Luthman
 > Office: 937-552-2340
 > Direct: 937-552-2343
 > 1100 Wayne St
 > Suite 1337
 > Troy, OH 45373

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

LOL $500?

I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.  What
> compression fittings?
>
> If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
> http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
>  My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that box?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Drew u a pic
>>
>> AP cat5compression
>> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
>> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
>> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do you
>>> plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to the
>>> SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS every
>>> time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's
 the end of it.


 (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 
 
 

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

 
 
 
 --
 *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower


 Sure.

 I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
 Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
 them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that
 would be better if the general consensus goes that way.

 My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to
 open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are
 many tightly done together you're screwed.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> I'm not sure I understand your question...
>
> Can you explain things a bit better?
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
> this
> > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
> bite, I
> > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have
> a better
> > solution for 1 and many runs.
> >
> > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
> access to
> > the cables?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
>



>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

I want one of those little heated tents the telcos use.  Or forget the heat, 
just a tent.  Except that might be bad in a 40mph wind.  Maybe an ice fishing 
shack on wheels.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

I did the same and got frost bite fingers in Ohio.  Where it's supposed to rain 
on Friday.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  Yeah, I was literally crimping cables inside the box during a blizzard in 
Alaska. :) Those bison fab enclosures are big enough.

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Few circles of slack before/after this box. 

Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work out 
of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you want to 
move an AP somewhere on the tower.

  *shrug*

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

  LOL $500?

  I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.  
What compression fittings? 

If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this: 
http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
  My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that box?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

  Drew u a pic

  AP cat5compression 
fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch 
panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service 
loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, 
what do you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight 
to the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS 
every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

  Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and 
that's the end of it.

  (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

  Midwest Internet Exchange
  http://www.midwest-ix.com

--

  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the 
tower 

  Sure. 

  I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with 
cat5/rj45.  Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you 
organize them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe 
that would be better if the general consensus goes that way.

  My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly 
impossible to open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when 
there are many tightly done together you're screwed.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Best part about fiber - you can terminate in your warm trailer...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Or just the back of a Transit van... it's what a lot of people around here
> are using.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I want one of those little heated tents the telcos use.  Or forget the
>> heat, just a tent.  Except that might be bad in a 40mph wind.  Maybe an ice
>> fishing shack on wheels.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:51 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>
>> I did the same and got frost bite fingers in Ohio.  Where it's supposed
>> to rain on Friday.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I was literally crimping cables inside the box during a blizzard
>>> in Alaska. :) Those bison fab enclosures are big enough.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Few circles of slack before/after this box.

 Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work
> out of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you
> want to move an AP somewhere on the tower.
>
> *shrug*
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> LOL $500?
>>>
>>> I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.
 What compression fittings?

 If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
 http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
 My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that 
 box?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <
 j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Drew u a pic
>
> AP cat5compression
> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch 
> cable-switch/router
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what
>> do you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going 
>> straight
>> to the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially 
>> ruin
>> SS every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and
>>> that's the end of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

2016-01-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I brought an ice fishing shack into work for that purpose


On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Best part about fiber - you can terminate in your warm trailer...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Or just the back of a Transit van... it's what a lot of people around
>> here are using.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> I want one of those little heated tents the telcos use.  Or forget the
>>> heat, just a tent.  Except that might be bad in a 40mph wind.  Maybe an ice
>>> fishing shack on wheels.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:51 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>>
>>> I did the same and got frost bite fingers in Ohio.  Where it's supposed
>>> to rain on Friday.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I was literally crimping cables inside the box during a blizzard
 in Alaska. :) Those bison fab enclosures are big enough.

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Few circles of slack before/after this box.
>
> Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work
>> out of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you
>> want to move an AP somewhere on the tower.
>>
>> *shrug*
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>>
 LOL $500?

 I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good
> idea.  What compression fittings?
>
> If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
> http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
> My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that 
> box?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <
> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Drew u a pic
>>
>> AP cat5compression
>> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
>> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
>> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch 
>> cable-switch/router
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what
>>> do you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going 
>>> straight
>>> to the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and 
>>> potentially ruin
>>> SS every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and
 that's the end of it.


 (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

At this point I think you should be happy you can pay whatever, they're
flying off the shelves.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Better pricing than a Streakwave or other dealer?
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources
>
> http://www.netonix.com/north-america.html
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> What is the best source for Netonix?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

What I did at the latest tower SWS built before I left, was I put a
Bison Fab rackmount enclosure at the base of the tower on a short
wooden pole. Inside the box I put a shielded 1U punchdown at the
bottom. I also left slack for each cable bundled inside the enclosure.
>From the box, there was conduit leading in to the shack / rack. If
water got into the cable somehow, the damage was limited to the
punchdown block. Also, this way I didn't have to run cable down the
tower and then try and fish it through the conduit.

For coming in to the box, I just used a step-bit and a bunch of
compression fittings.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Sure.
>
> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.  Those
> come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize them?
> I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that would be
> better if the general consensus goes that way.
>
> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to open up
> when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many
> tightly done together you're screwed.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand your question...
>>
>> Can you explain things a bit better?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
>> > this
>> > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
>> > bite, I
>> > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
>> > better
>> > solution for 1 and many runs.
>> >
>> > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
>> > access to
>> > the cables?
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

I'm not sure I understand your question...

Can you explain things a bit better?

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps this
> presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost bite, I
> gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a better
> solution for 1 and many runs.
>
> What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need access to
> the cables?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

I would just get those rubber cable entry grommets that clamp onto a 
piece of conduit.  I'm afraid I don't know the proper name of it.

If you want to undo a cable gland in a tight place, try a gland wrench 
like so:

http://www.pimfg.com/products_medium/TOOL-GS-50-1.jpg

On 1/13/2016 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Sure.

I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.  
Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you 
organize them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, 
but maybe that would be better if the general consensus goes that way.

My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to 
open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when 
there are many tightly done together you're screwed.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:

I'm not sure I understand your question...

Can you explain things a bit better?

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:
> We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6)
aps this
> presents a problem if we need to get to the cable. After some
frost bite, I
> gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it. I'd like to
have a better
> solution for 1 and many runs.
>
> What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you
need access to
> the cables?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do you
plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to the
SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS every
time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's the
> end of it.
>
>
> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>
>
> Sure.
>
> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
> Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
> them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that
> would be better if the general consensus goes that way.
>
> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to open
> up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many
> tightly done together you're screwed.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure I understand your question...
>>
>> Can you explain things a bit better?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
>> this
>> > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
>> bite, I
>> > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
>> better
>> > solution for 1 and many runs.
>> >
>> > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
>> access to
>> > the cables?
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

I did the same and got frost bite fingers in Ohio.  Where it's supposed to
rain on Friday.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Yeah, I was literally crimping cables inside the box during a blizzard in
> Alaska. :) Those bison fab enclosures are big enough.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Few circles of slack before/after this box.
>>
>> Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work out
>>> of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you want to
>>> move an AP somewhere on the tower.
>>>
>>> *shrug*
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> LOL $500?
>
> I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.
>> What compression fittings?
>>
>> If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
>>  My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that 
>> box?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Drew u a pic
>>>
>>> AP cat5compression
>>> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
>>> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
>>> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do
 you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going 
 straight to
 the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin 
 SS
 every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and
> that's the end of it.
>
>
> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>
>
> Sure.
>
> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with
> cat5/rj45.  Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  
> How do
> you organize them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch 
> block, but
> maybe that would be better if the general consensus goes that way.
>
> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible
> to open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when 
> there
> are many tightly done together you're screwed.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Or just the back of a Transit van... it's what a lot of people around here
are using.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I want one of those little heated tents the telcos use.  Or forget the
> heat, just a tent.  Except that might be bad in a 40mph wind.  Maybe an ice
> fishing shack on wheels.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>
> I did the same and got frost bite fingers in Ohio.  Where it's supposed to
> rain on Friday.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I was literally crimping cables inside the box during a blizzard in
>> Alaska. :) Those bison fab enclosures are big enough.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Few circles of slack before/after this box.
>>>
>>> Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work
 out of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you
 want to move an AP somewhere on the tower.

 *shrug*

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> LOL $500?
>>
>> I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.
>>> What compression fittings?
>>>
>>> If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
>>> http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
>>> My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that 
>>> box?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>>
 Drew u a pic

 AP cat5compression
 fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
 panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
 loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch 
 cable-switch/router

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what
> do you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going 
> straight
> to the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially 
> ruin
> SS every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and
>> that's the end of it.
>>
>>
>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

Better pricing than a Streakwave or other dealer?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

http://www.netonix.com/north-america.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What is the best source for Netonix?

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

If this is going into an outdoor enclosure, why do you not want to just take 
the cable through a gland and then terminate the cable inside the box?

I like these which take 3 shielded cables in one gland:

http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-53621380/70233572/

use to replace the bushing in any of their NPT-3/4 or PG21 glands, like:

http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-s2134/70123709/

don’t forget locknuts:

http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-911372/70123717/

If you have trouble with water coming down the cable, first thing is to find 
where it is getting in and fix that.  But you can do a drip loop and ring cut 
the jacket inside the box at a point where the water can drip out and not cause 
problems.  Or at one site I bought some 1 ft shielded jumpers and some shielded 
inline couplers just in case.  (I was stupid and assembled the box with a rack 
that had all the electronics facing straight up.)

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do you plug in 
to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to the SS wouldn't 
be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS every time water 
finds it's way in, causing more problems.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's the end 
of it.

  (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

  Midwest Internet Exchange
  http://www.midwest-ix.com

--

  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower 

  Sure. 

  I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.  Those 
come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize them?  I 
prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that would be 
better if the general consensus goes that way.

  My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to open up 
when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many 
tightly done together you're screwed.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

I'm not sure I understand your question...

Can you explain things a bit better?

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps this
> presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost 
bite, I
> gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a 
better
> solution for 1 and many runs.
>
> What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need access 
to
> the cables?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Yeah, I was literally crimping cables inside the box during a blizzard in
Alaska. :) Those bison fab enclosures are big enough.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Few circles of slack before/after this box.
>
> Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work out
>> of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you want to
>> move an AP somewhere on the tower.
>>
>> *shrug*
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 LOL $500?

 I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.
> What compression fittings?
>
> If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
> http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
>  My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that box?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Drew u a pic
>>
>> AP cat5compression
>> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
>> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
>> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do
>>> you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight 
>>> to
>>> the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin 
>>> SS
>>> every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and
 that's the end of it.


 (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 
 
 

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

 
 
 
 --
 *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower


 Sure.

 I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with
 cat5/rj45.  Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How 
 do
 you organize them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch 
 block, but
 maybe that would be better if the general consensus goes that way.

 My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible
 to open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when 
 there
 are many tightly done together you're screwed.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds <
 j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure I understand your question...
>
> Can you explain things a bit better?
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

I am also thinking I need a doghouse type shelter to put over my portable 
generators in the rain.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Or just the back of a Transit van... it's what a lot of people around here are 
using.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I want one of those little heated tents the telcos use.  Or forget the heat, 
just a tent.  Except that might be bad in a 40mph wind.  Maybe an ice fishing 
shack on wheels.

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

  I did the same and got frost bite fingers in Ohio.  Where it's supposed to 
rain on Friday.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

Yeah, I was literally crimping cables inside the box during a blizzard in 
Alaska. :) Those bison fab enclosures are big enough.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Few circles of slack before/after this box. 

  Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work 
out of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you want to 
move an AP somewhere on the tower.

*shrug*

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

LOL $500?

I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good 
idea.  What compression fittings? 

  If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this: 
http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
  My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that box?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

Drew u a pic

AP cat5compression 
fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch 
panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service 
loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, 
what do you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight 
to the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS 
every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable 
and that's the end of it.

(Do you see what I did there?)   :-)

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the 
tower 

Sure. 

I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with 
cat5/rj45.  Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you 
organize them?  I prefer terminating to

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

2016-01-13 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

yah, he has his own restaurant too - chuck-o-ramaALSO in salt lake   : /

man, chocolate milk on a buffetgeez

  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

  you know, if chuck wasnt a jerk you guys would have that option but n 
old chuck turned his back on everybody to be mr cool guy with his own domain 
name. 

  On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It 
was OK.

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

  Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil... 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:

I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Drew u a pic

AP cat5compression
fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do you
> plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to the
> SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS every
> time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's the
>> end of it.
>>
>>
>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
>> Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
>> them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that
>> would be better if the general consensus goes that way.
>>
>> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to open
>> up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many
>> tightly done together you're screwed.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure I understand your question...
>>>
>>> Can you explain things a bit better?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>  wrote:
>>> > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
>>> this
>>> > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
>>> bite, I
>>> > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
>>> better
>>> > solution for 1 and many runs.
>>> >
>>> > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
>>> access to
>>> > the cables?
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> LOL $500?
>
> I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.  What
>> compression fittings?
>>
>> If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
>>  My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that box?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Drew u a pic
>>>
>>> AP cat5compression
>>> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
>>> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
>>> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do you
 plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to the
 SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS every
 time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's
> the end of it.
>
>
> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>
>
> Sure.
>
> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
> Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
> them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that
> would be better if the general consensus goes that way.
>
> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to
> open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there 
> are
> many tightly done together you're screwed.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure I understand your question...
>>
>> Can you explain things a bit better?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6)
>> aps this
>> > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some
>> frost bite, I
>> > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have
>> a better
>> > solution for 1 and many runs.
>> >
>> > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
>> access to
>> > the cables?
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's the end of 
it. 

(Do you see what I did there?) :-) 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower 

Sure. 

I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45. Those 
come down the tower. What do you terminate to? How do you organize them? I 
prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that would be 
better if the general consensus goes that way. 

My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to open up 
when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many 
tightly done together you're screwed. 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 

I'm not sure I understand your question... 

Can you explain things a bit better? 

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
< j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 
> We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps this 
> presents a problem if we need to get to the cable. After some frost bite, I 
> gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it. I'd like to have a better 
> solution for 1 and many runs. 
> 
> What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need access to 
> the cables? 
> 
> Josh Luthman 
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St 
> Suite 1337 
> Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.  What
compression fittings?

If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
 My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that box?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Drew u a pic
>
> AP cat5compression
> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do you
>> plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to the
>> SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS every
>> time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's the
>>> end of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
>>> Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
>>> them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that
>>> would be better if the general consensus goes that way.
>>>
>>> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to
>>> open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are
>>> many tightly done together you're screwed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure I understand your question...

 Can you explain things a bit better?

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:
 > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
 this
 > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
 bite, I
 > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
 better
 > solution for 1 and many runs.
 >
 > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
 access to
 > the cables?
 >
 > Josh Luthman
 > Office: 937-552-2340
 > Direct: 937-552-2343
 > 1100 Wayne St
 > Suite 1337
 > Troy, OH 45373

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work out of
the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you want to
move an AP somewhere on the tower.

*shrug*

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> LOL $500?
>>
>> I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.  What
>>> compression fittings?
>>>
>>> If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
>>> http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
>>>  My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that box?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Drew u a pic

 AP cat5compression
 fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
 panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
 loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch cable-switch/router

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do
> you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to
> the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS
> every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's
>> the end of it.
>>
>>
>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with
>> cat5/rj45.  Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do
>> you organize them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, 
>> but
>> maybe that would be better if the general consensus goes that way.
>>
>> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to
>> open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there 
>> are
>> many tightly done together you're screwed.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure I understand your question...
>>>
>>> Can you explain things a bit better?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
>>>  wrote:
>>> > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6)
>>> aps this
>>> > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some
>>> frost bite, I
>>> > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to
>>> have a better
>>> > solution for 1 and many runs.
>>> >
>>> > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
>>> access to
>>> > the cables?
>>> >
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Netonix sources

What is the best source for Netonix?

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

2016-01-13 Thread Brett A Mansfield

Netonix.com. Same price as anywhere else and they are great to work with! Plus, 
it's always nice to go direct to the source.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> What is the best source for Netonix?

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

2016-01-13 Thread David

I dont get the extreme cold that you get josh but I have delt with what 
you are talking about and
Now that we have moved to using nothing but Superior essex for any 
vertical run and most run into conduit when it hits the tower
I have made a Strain Relief when the cables enter our cabinets which 
also serves as a ground lug for all cables at entry. The inner jacket
makes it way over to a 110 1u patch panel for rj45 which basically 
removes connector issues and interface problems before they start by
having cables closely bundled and giving some support to the heavier 
side of the cable. I use di-electric grease when doing the punch into the

panel which will help with oxidation and moisture entry into the panel.
 Even top side where the break out point is we have a piece of all 
thread inside the LB PVC to help support and organize the cable upon exit.


This our latest standard for all cabinets and entry points at our sites.


On 01/13/2016 12:57 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

What I did at the latest tower SWS built before I left, was I put a
Bison Fab rackmount enclosure at the base of the tower on a short
wooden pole. Inside the box I put a shielded 1U punchdown at the
bottom. I also left slack for each cable bundled inside the enclosure.
 From the box, there was conduit leading in to the shack / rack. If
water got into the cable somehow, the damage was limited to the
punchdown block. Also, this way I didn't have to run cable down the
tower and then try and fish it through the conduit.

For coming in to the box, I just used a step-bit and a bunch of
compression fittings.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

Sure.

I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.  Those
come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize them?
I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that would be
better if the general consensus goes that way.

My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to open up
when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many
tightly done together you're screwed.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

I'm not sure I understand your question...

Can you explain things a bit better?

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
this
presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
bite, I
gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
better
solution for 1 and many runs.

What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
access to
the cables?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

2016-01-13 Thread Jason McKemie

http://www.popnwork.com

On Wednesday, January 13, 2016, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Link to the tent?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 13, 2016 5:50 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
>> I use a telco tent with a propane heater to do most of my fiber work in
>> the winter. Works pretty well, you do have to anchor it a lot of the time
>> though.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>>
>>> I want one of those little heated tents the telcos use.  Or forget the
>>> heat, just a tent.  Except that might be bad in a 40mph wind.  Maybe an ice
>>> fishing shack on wheels.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:51 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>>
>>> I did the same and got frost bite fingers in Ohio.  Where it's supposed
>>> to rain on Friday.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I was literally crimping cables inside the box during a blizzard
 in Alaska. :) Those bison fab enclosures are big enough.

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Few circles of slack before/after this box.
>
> Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work
>> out of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you
>> want to move an AP somewhere on the tower.
>>
>> *shrug*
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>>
 LOL $500?

 I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good
> idea.  What compression fittings?
>
> If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
> http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
> My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that 
> box?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <
> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Drew u a pic
>>
>> AP cat5compression
>> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
>> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
>> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch 
>> cable-switch/router
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what
>>> do you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going 
>>> straight
>>> to the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and 
>>> potentially ruin
>>> SS every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and
 that's the end of it.


 (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

http://www.netonix.com/north-america.html


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> What is the best source for Netonix?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Or any place in Kansas City.  I remember a weeklong conference in KC and eating 
excellent steak or barbecue at a different restaurant every night.  Seemed like 
you couldn’t go wrong.

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Best I ever had was in a small chop shop restaurant in Cody Wyoming.  Like 
candy!

Jeff Broadwick 
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Jason McKemie  
wrote:

  I had the best prime rib I can recall at a place called La Estacion in 
Fajardo.  I think it was their special that day, garlic spiked and amazing.

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There 
are great local ones in each big city.  You never go wrong with Morton's

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

  Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best 
of the three.

  To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D

  Thank you,

  Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  Skype: danieldwhite
  Social: LinkedIn: Twitter

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

  I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.

  On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It 
was OK.

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil... 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:

  I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by 
Avast. 
www.avast.com

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

I forgot about the login thing to get the better price.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

No, just the open web pricing.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

Did you log in to Streakwave for your pricing?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Odd, their direct pricing is significantly lower than Streakwave... wonder 
how Streakwave feels about that.
  I don’t think I could get away with that.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:22 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

  At this point I think you should be happy you can pay whatever, they're 
flying off the shelves.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Better pricing than a Streakwave or other dealer?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

http://www.netonix.com/north-america.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What is the best source for Netonix?

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

After that conference in KC, I came home wanting some vegetable lo mein 
takeout, I couldn’t look at beef for a few days.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I do like a good steak (and only good, the average stuff I pass on) but there's 
no way I could get excellent steak/bbq every day of the week.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Or any place in Kansas City.  I remember a weeklong conference in KC and 
eating excellent steak or barbecue at a different restaurant every night.  
Seemed like you couldn’t go wrong.

  From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

  Best I ever had was in a small chop shop restaurant in Cody Wyoming.  Like 
candy!

  Jeff Broadwick 
  ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
  312-205-2519 Office
  574-220-7826 Cell
  jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

  On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I had the best prime rib I can recall at a place called La Estacion in 
Fajardo.  I think it was their special that day, garlic spiked and amazing.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

  I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There 
are great local ones in each big city.  You never go wrong with Morton's

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best 
of the three.

To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D

Thank you,

Daniel White

afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: Twitter

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  
It was OK.

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

  Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil... 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:

I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected 
by Avast. 
  www.avast.com

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

2016-01-13 Thread Josh Baird

It's the same from what I can see.  Make sure you login to Streakwave.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Odd, their direct pricing is significantly lower than Streakwave... wonder
> how Streakwave feels about that.
> I don’t think I could get away with that.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources
>
> At this point I think you should be happy you can pay whatever, they're
> flying off the shelves.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Better pricing than a Streakwave or other dealer?
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:20 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources
>>
>> http://www.netonix.com/north-america.html
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> What is the best source for Netonix?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Ciena 3930 with DC psu

2016-01-13 Thread TJ Trout

Anyone have a 3900 type chassis with DC power supplies? Care to share the
PN?

Re: [AFMUG] Ciena 3930 with DC psu

No I don't, sorry :/

Q: What are you currently using them for?

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> Anyone have a 3900 type chassis with DC power supplies? Care to share the
> PN?

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

No, just the open web pricing.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

Did you log in to Streakwave for your pricing?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Odd, their direct pricing is significantly lower than Streakwave... wonder 
how Streakwave feels about that.
  I don’t think I could get away with that.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:22 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

  At this point I think you should be happy you can pay whatever, they're 
flying off the shelves.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Better pricing than a Streakwave or other dealer?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

http://www.netonix.com/north-america.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What is the best source for Netonix?

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Link to the tent?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 13, 2016 5:50 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I use a telco tent with a propane heater to do most of my fiber work in
> the winter. Works pretty well, you do have to anchor it a lot of the time
> though.
>
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I want one of those little heated tents the telcos use.  Or forget the
>> heat, just a tent.  Except that might be bad in a 40mph wind.  Maybe an ice
>> fishing shack on wheels.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:51 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>
>> I did the same and got frost bite fingers in Ohio.  Where it's supposed
>> to rain on Friday.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I was literally crimping cables inside the box during a blizzard
>>> in Alaska. :) Those bison fab enclosures are big enough.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Few circles of slack before/after this box.

 Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work
> out of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you
> want to move an AP somewhere on the tower.
>
> *shrug*
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> LOL $500?
>>>
>>> I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.
 What compression fittings?

 If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
 http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
 My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that 
 box?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <
 j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Drew u a pic
>
> AP cat5compression
> fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
> panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
> loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch 
> cable-switch/router
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what
>> do you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going 
>> straight
>> to the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially 
>> ruin
>> SS every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and
>>> that's the end of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

2016-01-13 Thread Brett A Mansfield

Streakwave had them barely cheaper. But you being in Utah after taxes and 
shipping it's not worth it. May as well go direct.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Odd, their direct pricing is significantly lower than Streakwave... wonder 
> how Streakwave feels about that.
> I don’t think I could get away with that. 
>  
> From: Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources
>  
> At this point I think you should be happy you can pay whatever, they're 
> flying off the shelves.
>  
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Better pricing than a Streakwave or other dealer?
>>  
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:20 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources
>>  
>> http://www.netonix.com/north-america.html
>>  
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> What is the best source for Netonix?
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

2016-01-13 Thread Glen Waldrop

I’ve been putting dielectric grease inside the RJ45 before I terminate it on 
tower sites for a couple of years now.

Cured my water problem with the electricals.

I nicked the outer insulator on one of them at the lowest point, let out about 
a quart of water.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

The water comes from inside the cable.  I've really got no ideas at this point 
- it's happened with every manufacturer and on different sites.  No pattern to 
it (yet, hopefully...) 

Those do look really nice - I like the idea of 3 cables per grommit and it 
would simply be RJ45 again (as opposed to rj45ecs).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  If this is going into an outdoor enclosure, why do you not want to just take 
the cable through a gland and then terminate the cable inside the box?

  I like these which take 3 shielded cables in one gland:

  http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-53621380/70233572/

  use to replace the bushing in any of their NPT-3/4 or PG21 glands, like:

  http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-s2134/70123709/

  don’t forget locknuts:

  http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-911372/70123717/

  If you have trouble with water coming down the cable, first thing is to find 
where it is getting in and fix that.  But you can do a drip loop and ring cut 
the jacket inside the box at a point where the water can drip out and not cause 
problems.  Or at one site I bought some 1 ft shielded jumpers and some shielded 
inline couplers just in case.  (I was stupid and assembled the box with a rack 
that had all the electronics facing straight up.)

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:06 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

  Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do you plug 
in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to the SS 
wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS every time 
water finds it's way in, causing more problems.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's the 
end of it.

(Do you see what I did there?)   :-)

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower 

Sure. 

I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.  
Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize 
them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that would 
be better if the general consensus goes that way.

My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to open 
up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many 
tightly done together you're screwed.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  I'm not sure I understand your question...

  Can you explain things a bit better?

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
   wrote:
  > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps 
this
  > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost 
bite, I
  > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a 
better
  > solution for 1 and many runs.
  >
  > What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need 
access to
  > the cables?
  >
  > Josh Luthman
  > Office: 937-552-2340
  > Direct: 937-552-2343
  > 1100 Wayne St
  > Suite 1337
  > Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 MHz 450

2016-01-13 Thread SmarterBroadband

So I was wondering.  

 

We have hundreds of old M2 Yagi’s left from our old canopy 900 days.

 

Could we use 2 per 450 install, one vertical and one horizontal?

 

How far apart would they need to be?

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:53 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450

 

http://www.m2inc.com/amateur/902-14wlc-880-950-mhz/

 

25db gain!

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

2016-01-13 Thread Eric Muehleisen

David, do you have a picture of the conduit on the tower? I'd like to
see how it looks. What size conduit do you typically run?

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:27 PM, David  wrote:
> I dont get the extreme cold that you get josh but I have delt with what you
> are talking about and
> Now that we have moved to using nothing but Superior essex for any vertical
> run and most run into conduit when it hits the tower
> I have made a Strain Relief when the cables enter our cabinets which also
> serves as a ground lug for all cables at entry. The inner jacket
> makes it way over to a 110 1u patch panel for rj45 which basically removes
> connector issues and interface problems before they start by
> having cables closely bundled and giving some support to the heavier side of
> the cable. I use di-electric grease when doing the punch into the
> panel which will help with oxidation and moisture entry into the panel.
>  Even top side where the break out point is we have a piece of all thread
> inside the LB PVC to help support and organize the cable upon exit.
>
> This our latest standard for all cabinets and entry points at our sites.
>
>
> On 01/13/2016 12:57 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> What I did at the latest tower SWS built before I left, was I put a
>> Bison Fab rackmount enclosure at the base of the tower on a short
>> wooden pole. Inside the box I put a shielded 1U punchdown at the
>> bottom. I also left slack for each cable bundled inside the enclosure.
>>  From the box, there was conduit leading in to the shack / rack. If
>> water got into the cable somehow, the damage was limited to the
>> punchdown block. Also, this way I didn't have to run cable down the
>> tower and then try and fish it through the conduit.
>>
>> For coming in to the box, I just used a step-bit and a bunch of
>> compression fittings.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
>>> Those
>>> come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
>>> them?
>>> I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that would
>>> be
>>> better if the general consensus goes that way.
>>>
>>> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to open
>>> up
>>> when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many
>>> tightly done together you're screwed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:

 I'm not sure I understand your question...

 Can you explain things a bit better?

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:
>
> We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
> this
> presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
> bite, I
> gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
> better
> solution for 1 and many runs.
>
> What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
> access to
> the cables?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

2016-01-13 Thread Jason McKemie

I use a telco tent with a propane heater to do most of my fiber work in the
winter. Works pretty well, you do have to anchor it a lot of the time
though.

On Wednesday, January 13, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I want one of those little heated tents the telcos use.  Or forget the
> heat, just a tent.  Except that might be bad in a 40mph wind.  Maybe an ice
> fishing shack on wheels.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>
> I did the same and got frost bite fingers in Ohio.  Where it's supposed to
> rain on Friday.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I was literally crimping cables inside the box during a blizzard in
>> Alaska. :) Those bison fab enclosures are big enough.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Few circles of slack before/after this box.
>>>
>>> Internal space for working out of the elements?!?!?! I WISH!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>>
 True, but you also have no covered space once you open it up to work
 out of the elements, and no internal space for slack storage should you
 want to move an AP somewhere on the tower.

 *shrug*

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 > wrote:

> Enclosure + outdoors + SS + grounding lug
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
>
>> LOL $500?
>>
>> I was using these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=10039
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Another box between electronics and AP, that might be a good idea.
>>> What compression fittings?
>>>
>>> If I do a patch panel/punch blocks it'll be with this:
>>> http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-twr-outdoor-tower-wall-mount-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
>>> My concern would be if water did get in the line, would it ruin that 
>>> box?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>>
 Drew u a pic

 AP cat5compression
 fitting-[box]-service loop-shielded patch
 panel-[/box][conduit][/conduit][shack]-service
 loop-shielded patch panel-shielded patch 
 cable-switch/router

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 >
 wrote:

> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what
> do you plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going 
> straight
> to the SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially 
> ruin
> SS every time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
>
>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and
>> that's the end of it.
>>
>>
>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

Was your water coming from inside the cables alongside the insulated
copper?  Or else where?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Glen Waldrop 
wrote:

> I’ve been putting dielectric grease inside the RJ45 before I terminate it
> on tower sites for a couple of years now.
>
> Cured my water problem with the electricals.
>
> I nicked the outer insulator on one of them at the lowest point, let out
> about a quart of water.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>
> The water comes from inside the cable.  I've really got no ideas at this
> point - it's happened with every manufacturer and on different sites.  No
> pattern to it (yet, hopefully...)
>
> Those do look really nice - I like the idea of 3 cables per grommit and it
> would simply be RJ45 again (as opposed to rj45ecs).
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> If this is going into an outdoor enclosure, why do you not want to just
>> take the cable through a gland and then terminate the cable inside the box?
>>
>> I like these which take 3 shielded cables in one gland:
>>
>> http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-53621380/70233572/
>>
>> use to replace the bushing in any of their NPT-3/4 or PG21 glands, like:
>>
>> http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-s2134/70123709/
>>
>> don’t forget locknuts:
>>
>> http://www.alliedelec.com/lapp-usa-911372/70123717/
>>
>> If you have trouble with water coming down the cable, first thing is to
>> find where it is getting in and fix that.  But you can do a drip loop and
>> ring cut the jacket inside the box at a point where the water can drip out
>> and not cause problems.  Or at one site I bought some 1 ft shielded jumpers
>> and some shielded inline couplers just in case.  (I was stupid and
>> assembled the box with a rack that had all the electronics facing straight
>> up.)
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:06 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>
>> Maybe another way to put it is after you terminate the run, what do you
>> plug in to?  Going straight to RJ45ecs is a mess and going straight to the
>> SS wouldn't be very cable management friendly and potentially ruin SS every
>> time water finds it's way in, causing more problems.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Why are you going into the connector? Terminate the cable and that's the
>>> end of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> (Do you see what I did there?)   :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:54:40 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
>>> Those come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
>>> them?  I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that
>>> would be better if the general consensus goes that way.
>>>
>>> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to
>>> open up when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are
>>> many tightly done together you're screwed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure I understand your question...

 Can you explain things a bit better?

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:
 > We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
 this
 > presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
 bite, I
 > gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
 better

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

Did you log in to Streakwave for your pricing?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Odd, their direct pricing is significantly lower than Streakwave... wonder
> how Streakwave feels about that.
> I don’t think I could get away with that.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources
>
> At this point I think you should be happy you can pay whatever, they're
> flying off the shelves.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Better pricing than a Streakwave or other dealer?
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:20 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources
>>
>> http://www.netonix.com/north-america.html
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> What is the best source for Netonix?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I do like a good steak (and only good, the average stuff I pass on) but
there's no way I could get excellent steak/bbq every day of the week.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Or any place in Kansas City.  I remember a weeklong conference in KC and
> eating excellent steak or barbecue at a different restaurant every night.
> Seemed like you couldn’t go wrong.
>
>
> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>
> Best I ever had was in a small chop shop restaurant in Cody Wyoming.  Like
> candy!
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> I had the best prime rib I can recall at a place called La Estacion in
> Fajardo.  I think it was their special that day, garlic spiked and amazing.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There
>> are great local ones in each big city.  You never go wrong with Morton's
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>>> Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best
>>> of the three.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
>>> was OK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  This
>>> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
>>> www.avast.com
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>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

Odd, their direct pricing is significantly lower than Streakwave... wonder how 
Streakwave feels about that.
I don’t think I could get away with that.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

At this point I think you should be happy you can pay whatever, they're flying 
off the shelves.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Better pricing than a Streakwave or other dealer?

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:20 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix sources

  http://www.netonix.com/north-america.html

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

What is the best source for Netonix?

Re: [AFMUG] Terminating cable at the base of the tower

I've had Superior Essex and Mohawk do it (though the latter had gel in it
so it took like 3-5 years).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:27 PM, David  wrote:

> I dont get the extreme cold that you get josh but I have delt with what
> you are talking about and
> Now that we have moved to using nothing but Superior essex for any
> vertical run and most run into conduit when it hits the tower
> I have made a Strain Relief when the cables enter our cabinets which also
> serves as a ground lug for all cables at entry. The inner jacket
> makes it way over to a 110 1u patch panel for rj45 which basically removes
> connector issues and interface problems before they start by
> having cables closely bundled and giving some support to the heavier side
> of the cable. I use di-electric grease when doing the punch into the
> panel which will help with oxidation and moisture entry into the panel.
>  Even top side where the break out point is we have a piece of all thread
> inside the LB PVC to help support and organize the cable upon exit.
>
> This our latest standard for all cabinets and entry points at our sites.
>
>
> On 01/13/2016 12:57 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> What I did at the latest tower SWS built before I left, was I put a
>> Bison Fab rackmount enclosure at the base of the tower on a short
>> wooden pole. Inside the box I put a shielded 1U punchdown at the
>> bottom. I also left slack for each cable bundled inside the enclosure.
>>  From the box, there was conduit leading in to the shack / rack. If
>> water got into the cable somehow, the damage was limited to the
>> punchdown block. Also, this way I didn't have to run cable down the
>> tower and then try and fish it through the conduit.
>>
>> For coming in to the box, I just used a step-bit and a bunch of
>> compression fittings.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> I have a bunch of APs, BHs, cameras, etc on the tower with cat5/rj45.
>>> Those
>>> come down the tower.  What do you terminate to?  How do you organize
>>> them?
>>> I prefer terminating to rj45 and not a punch block, but maybe that would
>>> be
>>> better if the general consensus goes that way.
>>>
>>> My problem now is that going into an rj45ecs is nearly impossible to
>>> open up
>>> when you can't get your fingers around all of it, so when there are many
>>> tightly done together you're screwed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure I understand your question...

 Can you explain things a bit better?

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:

> We've been using RJ45ECS for a while but on sites with many (>6) aps
> this
> presents a problem if we need to get to the cable.  After some frost
> bite, I
> gave up and just cut the cable to reterminate it.  I'd like to have a
> better
> solution for 1 and many runs.
>
> What has worked for you guys when winter comes around and you need
> access to
> the cables?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 MHz 450

2016-01-13 Thread Craig House

I've thought about the same thing 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 18:28, SmarterBroadband  
> wrote:
> 
> So I was wondering. 
>  
> We have hundreds of old M2 Yagi’s left from our old canopy 900 days.
>  
> Could we use 2 per 450 install, one vertical and one horizontal?
>  
> How far apart would they need to be?
>  
> Adam
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:53 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450
>  
> http://www.m2inc.com/amateur/902-14wlc-880-950-mhz/
>  
> 25db gain!
>  
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

It's on my bucket list, hopefully I find my way down there before I need
to fulfill it! I'll bring the Tecate.

On 1/13/2016 8:35 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

You are always welcomed...mi casa es su casa.

On Jan 13, 2016 8:32 PM, "Simon Westlake" wrote:

One of these days, I need to come visit. Every time you post about
food I get really hungry.

On 1/13/2016 8:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Chicano Cook out.marinate steaks in soy sauce and
beermesquite firewood... cold beer...clean onion cut in 4
pieces...butter and cover in foil... cook slowly in low
firelong green onions... same but add soy sauce... wrap in
foil and cook slowly... drink more beer make steaks are
cooking wellgrill jalapenos on grillwarm tortillas
cut some fresh avocadosserveCarta Blanca beer is good
choice with thin steaksdrink more beer. Aju

On Jan 13, 2016 7:55 PM, "Keefe John" > wrote:

I miss Sabor!

On 1/13/2016 8:41 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

There was an amazing one downtown Milwaukee called 'Sabor'
which, according to some of the reviews, was similar to
Fogo. It got replaced by a Rodizio, and Sabor was far
superior to the Rodizio that replaced it in almost every
way. The only upside is Rodizio is about 60% of the price
that Sabor was, but I haven't bothered going back since they
changed it. I tried it once post-change and it was
depressingly bad in comparison.

Looks like I need to hunt down a Fogo or Texas de Brazil at
one of the shows..

On 1/13/2016 6:35 AM, Daniel White wrote:

Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion. Texas de Brazil
is the best of the three.

To each their own. It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D

Thank you,

Daniel White

afmu...@gmail.com
__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn
: Twitter

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof
> wrote:

There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife
last year. It was OK.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:

I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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Re: [AFMUG] Gige Sync Injector CMM sync type?

2016-01-13 Thread George Skorup


SyncPipes are CMM3 aligned.

I think maybe it was Dan Sullivan that said the ePMP on-board GPS will 
self correct for the type of pulse its seeing on the power port. By 
default it is CMM4 though. IIRC. Could be totally wrong.


And believe me when I say that there is a difference between CMM3 and 
CMM4 pulse types or alignment. They are not close enough. I run into 
this with the 450's goddamn on-board GPS all the time. Because watchdog 
resets. And then 9 times out of 10, AutoSync selects the on-board at 
boot. I know they're working on that though.


On 1/13/2016 8:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Are these sending out cmm3 or cmm4 type sync?  I'm wondering if I need 
to change my epmp units, I may be seeing some self interference.  The 
web interface suggests CMM sync is just fine.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I like my steaks basic. Slab of meat, warmed up a little bit. No additives. All 
of that other stuff ruins a good steak. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:31:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 


Chicano Cook out.marinate steaks in soy sauce and beermesquite 
firewood... cold beer...clean onion cut in 4 pieces...butter and cover in 
foil... cook slowly in low firelong green onions... same but add soy 
sauce... wrap in foil and cook slowly... drink more beer make steaks are 
cooking wellgrill jalapenos on grillwarm tortillas cut some fresh 
avocadosserveCarta Blanca beer is good choice with thin steaksdrink 
more beer. Aju 
On Jan 13, 2016 7:55 PM, "Keefe John" < keefe...@ethoplex.com > wrote: 



I miss Sabor! 


On 1/13/2016 8:41 AM, Simon Westlake wrote: 


There was an amazing one downtown Milwaukee called 'Sabor' which, according to 
some of the reviews, was similar to Fogo. It got replaced by a Rodizio, and 
Sabor was far superior to the Rodizio that replaced it in almost every way. The 
only upside is Rodizio is about 60% of the price that Sabor was, but I haven't 
bothered going back since they changed it. I tried it once post-change and it 
was depressingly bad in comparison. 

Looks like I need to hunt down a Fogo or Texas de Brazil at one of the shows.. 


On 1/13/2016 6:35 AM, Daniel White wrote: 




Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion. Texas de Brazil is the best of the 
three. 

To each their own. It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D 

Thank you, 

Daniel White 
afmu...@gmail.com 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite 
Social: LinkedIn : Twitter 




From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 


I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao. 



On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year. It was OK. 






From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 




Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil... 



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
 



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
 










Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 







I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here. 



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone 








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Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

2016-01-13 Thread Keefe John


I miss Sabor!

On 1/13/2016 8:41 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
There was an amazing one downtown Milwaukee called 'Sabor' which, 
according to some of the reviews, was similar to Fogo. It got replaced 
by a Rodizio, and Sabor was far superior to the Rodizio that replaced 
it in almost every way. The only upside is Rodizio is about 60% of the 
price that Sabor was, but I haven't bothered going back since they 
changed it. I tried it once post-change and it was depressingly bad in 
comparison.


Looks like I need to hunt down a Fogo or Texas de Brazil at one of the 
shows..


On 1/13/2016 6:35 AM, Daniel White wrote:


Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the 
best of the three.


To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D

Thank you,

Daniel White

afmugdw@gmail.com__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn : Twitter 



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last
year.  It was OK.

*From:*Josh Luthman 

*Sent:*Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...


https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496


https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:

I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 
	This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
www.avast.com 
 





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Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

You are always welcomed...mi casa es su casa.
On Jan 13, 2016 8:32 PM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

> One of these days, I need to come visit. Every time you post about food I
> get really hungry.
>
> On 1/13/2016 8:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Chicano Cook out.marinate steaks in soy sauce and beermesquite
> firewood... cold beer...clean onion cut in 4 pieces...butter and cover in
> foil... cook slowly in low firelong green onions... same but add soy
> sauce... wrap in foil and cook slowly...  drink more beer make steaks
> are cooking wellgrill jalapenos on grillwarm tortillas cut some
> fresh avocadosserveCarta Blanca beer is good choice with thin
> steaksdrink more beer.   Aju
> On Jan 13, 2016 7:55 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>
>> I miss Sabor!
>>
>> On 1/13/2016 8:41 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
>>
>> There was an amazing one downtown Milwaukee called 'Sabor' which,
>> according to some of the reviews, was similar to Fogo. It got replaced by a
>> Rodizio, and Sabor was far superior to the Rodizio that replaced it in
>> almost every way. The only upside is Rodizio is about 60% of the price that
>> Sabor was, but I haven't bothered going back since they changed it. I tried
>> it once post-change and it was depressingly bad in comparison.
>>
>> Looks like I need to hunt down a Fogo or Texas de Brazil at one of the
>> shows..
>>
>> On 1/13/2016 6:35 AM, Daniel White wrote:
>>
>> Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best
>> of the three.
>>
>>
>>
>> To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>
>>
>>
>> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
>> was OK.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>  This
>> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
>> www.avast.com
>> 
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>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
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>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pay Rates For Installer / Troubleshooter?

2016-01-13 Thread Christopher Gray

So far,

The satellite installer is the only option that I've found that could work
on a contract basis so far. He has his own company, storefront, truck,
tools, etc. He does contract work for a variety of satellite TV and
Internet services, as well as antenna installations. Those rates are fairly
high, though.

Everyone else I'm considering would have to be an employee. I haven't found
anyone willing to do the work for a reasonable price, though.

--

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> You man want to research some of the gotchas involved in contract work.
> Doug Hass may be a good resource to make sure you're treating your
> contractor as a contractor and not inadvertently as an employee.
>
>
> Christopher Gray wrote:
>
>> I've been working as a one-man shop for a while. I've started looking for
>> part-time help. I've even talked to a satellite installer about doing some
>> contract work.
>>
>> What sort of rates are typically paid to someone doing installations and
>> troubleshooting?
>>
>> [I realize this varies by region, but I'd like to at least get an idea of
>> what I should be offering.]
>>
>> Thanks - Chris
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 MHz 450

The Cambium dual pol Yagi isn’t that expensive, it is dual slant, it has a 
snap-in bracket to hold the SM, and it has SMA pigtails just right for 
connecting to the SM (including slide-over boots).

Your existing Yagis may be higher gain, but that doesn’t necessarily equate to 
better 900 MHz performance, plus it likely means exceeding FCC legal EIRP.

I would get one of the Cambium Yagis to play with before you go to all that 
trouble.  Unless you are thinking the spatial diversity of 2 antennas will help 
you.

The Cambium Yagi is actually pretty slick, you take it out of the box, snap on 
the SM, connect the pigtails, slide down the boots, and the only real assembly 
required is to attach the U-bolts.  The worst complaints I can think of are the 
U-bolts are hefty enough you could easily crush a J-pipe if you don’t pay 
attention, and apparently they are currently in short supply.  Oh, and it’s a 
Yagi, but your alternative is 2 Yagis, so apparently you don’t mind that.



From: Craig House 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 MHz 450

I've thought about the same thing 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 13, 2016, at 18:28, SmarterBroadband  wrote:


  So I was wondering.  

   

  We have hundreds of old M2 Yagi’s left from our old canopy 900 days.

   

  Could we use 2 per 450 install, one vertical and one horizontal?

   

  How far apart would they need to be?

   

  Adam

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:53 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450

   

  http://www.m2inc.com/amateur/902-14wlc-880-950-mhz/

   

  25db gain!

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

One of these days, I need to come visit. Every time you post about food
I get really hungry.

On 1/13/2016 8:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Chicano Cook out.marinate steaks in soy sauce and beermesquite
firewood... cold beer...clean onion cut in 4 pieces...butter and cover
in foil... cook slowly in low firelong green onions... same but
add soy sauce... wrap in foil and cook slowly... drink more beer
make steaks are cooking wellgrill jalapenos on grillwarm
tortillas cut some fresh avocadosserveCarta Blanca beer is
good choice with thin steaksdrink more beer. Aju

On Jan 13, 2016 7:55 PM, "Keefe John" > wrote:

I miss Sabor!

On 1/13/2016 8:41 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

There was an amazing one downtown Milwaukee called 'Sabor' which,
according to some of the reviews, was similar to Fogo. It got
replaced by a Rodizio, and Sabor was far superior to the Rodizio
that replaced it in almost every way. The only upside is Rodizio
is about 60% of the price that Sabor was, but I haven't bothered
going back since they changed it. I tried it once post-change and
it was depressingly bad in comparison.

Looks like I need to hunt down a Fogo or Texas de Brazil at one
of the shows..

On 1/13/2016 6:35 AM, Daniel White wrote:

Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion. Texas de Brazil is
the best of the three.

To each their own. It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D

Thank you,

Daniel White

afmu...@gmail.com
__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn :
Twitter

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last
year. It was OK.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:

I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected
by Avast.
www.avast.com

--
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone:(702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

You too Mike...do you remember me from your show in DFW site?
On Jan 13, 2016 8:37 PM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

> It's on my bucket list, hopefully I find my way down there before I need
> to fulfill it! I'll bring the Tecate.
>
> On 1/13/2016 8:35 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> You are always welcomed...mi casa es su casa.
> On Jan 13, 2016 8:32 PM, "Simon Westlake" 
>  wrote:
>
>> One of these days, I need to come visit. Every time you post about food I
>> get really hungry.
>>
>> On 1/13/2016 8:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Chicano Cook out.marinate steaks in soy sauce and beermesquite
>> firewood... cold beer...clean onion cut in 4 pieces...butter and cover in
>> foil... cook slowly in low firelong green onions... same but add soy
>> sauce... wrap in foil and cook slowly...  drink more beer make steaks
>> are cooking wellgrill jalapenos on grillwarm tortillas cut some
>> fresh avocadosserveCarta Blanca beer is good choice with thin
>> steaksdrink more beer.   Aju
>> On Jan 13, 2016 7:55 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>>
>>> I miss Sabor!
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2016 8:41 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
>>>
>>> There was an amazing one downtown Milwaukee called 'Sabor' which,
>>> according to some of the reviews, was similar to Fogo. It got replaced by a
>>> Rodizio, and Sabor was far superior to the Rodizio that replaced it in
>>> almost every way. The only upside is Rodizio is about 60% of the price that
>>> Sabor was, but I haven't bothered going back since they changed it. I tried
>>> it once post-change and it was depressingly bad in comparison.
>>>
>>> Looks like I need to hunt down a Fogo or Texas de Brazil at one of the
>>> shows..
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2016 6:35 AM, Daniel White wrote:
>>>
>>> Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best
>>> of the three.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
>>> was OK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  This
>>> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
>>> www.avast.com
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>

[AFMUG] New Mimosa Omni AP

Trying to open link on this but service spottybetween Lubbock and
Amarillo

Re: [AFMUG] Gige Sync Injector CMM sync type?

Definitely a self interference issue, but I don't think sync is to blame.
Everyone stays associated when I change channels.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 13, 2016 10:07 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> Cmm4 is default.  You get a GUI option for both, so I don't see how/why it
> would automatically figure it out?
>
> If syncpipes are cmm3 that can certainly be my issue.  It's worth changing
> my AP now!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 13, 2016 10:02 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> SyncPipes are CMM3 aligned.
>>
>> I think maybe it was Dan Sullivan that said the ePMP on-board GPS will
>> self correct for the type of pulse its seeing on the power port. By default
>> it is CMM4 though. IIRC. Could be totally wrong.
>>
>> And believe me when I say that there is a difference between CMM3 and
>> CMM4 pulse types or alignment. They are not close enough. I run into this
>> with the 450's goddamn on-board GPS all the time. Because watchdog resets.
>> And then 9 times out of 10, AutoSync selects the on-board at boot. I know
>> they're working on that though.
>>
>> On 1/13/2016 8:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Are these sending out cmm3 or cmm4 type sync?  I'm wondering if I need
>>> to change my epmp units, I may be seeing some self interference.  The web
>>> interface suggests CMM sync is just fine.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Chicano Cook out.marinate steaks in soy sauce and beermesquite
firewood... cold beer...clean onion cut in 4 pieces...butter and cover in
foil... cook slowly in low firelong green onions... same but add soy
sauce... wrap in foil and cook slowly...  drink more beer make steaks
are cooking wellgrill jalapenos on grillwarm tortillas cut some
fresh avocadosserveCarta Blanca beer is good choice with thin
steaksdrink more beer.   Aju
On Jan 13, 2016 7:55 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:

> I miss Sabor!
>
> On 1/13/2016 8:41 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
>
> There was an amazing one downtown Milwaukee called 'Sabor' which,
> according to some of the reviews, was similar to Fogo. It got replaced by a
> Rodizio, and Sabor was far superior to the Rodizio that replaced it in
> almost every way. The only upside is Rodizio is about 60% of the price that
> Sabor was, but I haven't bothered going back since they changed it. I tried
> it once post-change and it was depressingly bad in comparison.
>
> Looks like I need to hunt down a Fogo or Texas de Brazil at one of the
> shows..
>
> On 1/13/2016 6:35 AM, Daniel White wrote:
>
> Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best of
> the three.
>
>
>
> To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>
>
>
> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It was
> OK.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>
>
>
> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>
>
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
> 
>
>
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>  This
> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
> www.avast.com
> 
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Ya vas!(Hey Gino... you guys use that one?  )
On Jan 13, 2016 8:37 PM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

> It's on my bucket list, hopefully I find my way down there before I need
> to fulfill it! I'll bring the Tecate.
>
> On 1/13/2016 8:35 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> You are always welcomed...mi casa es su casa.
> On Jan 13, 2016 8:32 PM, "Simon Westlake" 
>  wrote:
>
>> One of these days, I need to come visit. Every time you post about food I
>> get really hungry.
>>
>> On 1/13/2016 8:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Chicano Cook out.marinate steaks in soy sauce and beermesquite
>> firewood... cold beer...clean onion cut in 4 pieces...butter and cover in
>> foil... cook slowly in low firelong green onions... same but add soy
>> sauce... wrap in foil and cook slowly...  drink more beer make steaks
>> are cooking wellgrill jalapenos on grillwarm tortillas cut some
>> fresh avocadosserveCarta Blanca beer is good choice with thin
>> steaksdrink more beer.   Aju
>> On Jan 13, 2016 7:55 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>>
>>> I miss Sabor!
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2016 8:41 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
>>>
>>> There was an amazing one downtown Milwaukee called 'Sabor' which,
>>> according to some of the reviews, was similar to Fogo. It got replaced by a
>>> Rodizio, and Sabor was far superior to the Rodizio that replaced it in
>>> almost every way. The only upside is Rodizio is about 60% of the price that
>>> Sabor was, but I haven't bothered going back since they changed it. I tried
>>> it once post-change and it was depressingly bad in comparison.
>>>
>>> Looks like I need to hunt down a Fogo or Texas de Brazil at one of the
>>> shows..
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2016 6:35 AM, Daniel White wrote:
>>>
>>> Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best
>>> of the three.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
>>> was OK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  This
>>> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
>>> www.avast.com
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email:

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Your on Simon
On Jan 13, 2016 8:37 PM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

> It's on my bucket list, hopefully I find my way down there before I need
> to fulfill it! I'll bring the Tecate.
>
> On 1/13/2016 8:35 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> You are always welcomed...mi casa es su casa.
> On Jan 13, 2016 8:32 PM, "Simon Westlake" 
>  wrote:
>
>> One of these days, I need to come visit. Every time you post about food I
>> get really hungry.
>>
>> On 1/13/2016 8:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Chicano Cook out.marinate steaks in soy sauce and beermesquite
>> firewood... cold beer...clean onion cut in 4 pieces...butter and cover in
>> foil... cook slowly in low firelong green onions... same but add soy
>> sauce... wrap in foil and cook slowly...  drink more beer make steaks
>> are cooking wellgrill jalapenos on grillwarm tortillas cut some
>> fresh avocadosserveCarta Blanca beer is good choice with thin
>> steaksdrink more beer.   Aju
>> On Jan 13, 2016 7:55 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>>
>>> I miss Sabor!
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2016 8:41 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
>>>
>>> There was an amazing one downtown Milwaukee called 'Sabor' which,
>>> according to some of the reviews, was similar to Fogo. It got replaced by a
>>> Rodizio, and Sabor was far superior to the Rodizio that replaced it in
>>> almost every way. The only upside is Rodizio is about 60% of the price that
>>> Sabor was, but I haven't bothered going back since they changed it. I tried
>>> it once post-change and it was depressingly bad in comparison.
>>>
>>> Looks like I need to hunt down a Fogo or Texas de Brazil at one of the
>>> shows..
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2016 6:35 AM, Daniel White wrote:
>>>
>>> Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best
>>> of the three.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
>>> was OK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  This
>>> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
>>> www.avast.com
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>>> --
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>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702)

[AFMUG] Gige Sync Injector CMM sync type?

Are these sending out cmm3 or cmm4 type sync?  I'm wondering if I need to
change my epmp units, I may be seeing some self interference.  The web
interface suggests CMM sync is just fine.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Pay Rates For Installer / Troubleshooter?

When I first started as a WISP, I tried to use a satellite installer as a 
contractor, and it didn’t work out because being a satellite dish installer was 
all about cramming in 6-8 installs a day to make any money.  The workmanship 
was lacking.

But I think in the last 10 years, standards have gotten a lot better in the sat 
dish industry.


From: Christopher Gray 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pay Rates For Installer / Troubleshooter?

So far, 

The satellite installer is the only option that I've found that could work on a 
contract basis so far. He has his own company, storefront, truck, tools, etc. 
He does contract work for a variety of satellite TV and Internet services, as 
well as antenna installations. Those rates are fairly high, though.

Everyone else I'm considering would have to be an employee. I haven't found 
anyone willing to do the work for a reasonable price, though.






On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

  You man want to research some of the gotchas involved in contract work.  Doug 
Hass may be a good resource to make sure you're treating your contractor as a 
contractor and not inadvertently as an employee. 


  Christopher Gray wrote:

I've been working as a one-man shop for a while. I've started looking for 
part-time help. I've even talked to a satellite installer about doing some 
contract work.

What sort of rates are typically paid to someone doing installations and 
troubleshooting?

[I realize this varies by region, but I'd like to at least get an idea of 
what I should be offering.]

Thanks - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio


My waistline does not, but I certainly do too.

On 1/13/2016 7:55 PM, Keefe John wrote:

I miss Sabor!

On 1/13/2016 8:41 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
There was an amazing one downtown Milwaukee called 'Sabor' which, 
according to some of the reviews, was similar to Fogo. It got 
replaced by a Rodizio, and Sabor was far superior to the Rodizio that 
replaced it in almost every way. The only upside is Rodizio is about 
60% of the price that Sabor was, but I haven't bothered going back 
since they changed it. I tried it once post-change and it was 
depressingly bad in comparison.


Looks like I need to hunt down a Fogo or Texas de Brazil at one of 
the shows..


On 1/13/2016 6:35 AM, Daniel White wrote:


Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the 
best of the three.


To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D

Thank you,

Daniel White

afmugdw@gmail.com__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn : Twitter 



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last
year.  It was OK.

*From:*Josh Luthman 

*Sent:*Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...


https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496


https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
 wrote:

I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 
	This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by 
Avast.
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--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 MHz 450

2016-01-13 Thread Mathew Howard

I agree, for the price of the Cambium yagi, I don't see that's it's worth
messing with trying to use two old antennas, after you mess around with
adding pigtails/adapters, sealing the extra connectors and mounting the
radio, it just doesn't seem worth it.

I did order a couple of the Lanbowan dual polarity panels to mess around
with though... it would be nice to have an option that isn't a yagi, so
we'll see...

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The Cambium dual pol Yagi isn’t that expensive, it is dual slant, it has a
> snap-in bracket to hold the SM, and it has SMA pigtails just right for
> connecting to the SM (including slide-over boots).
>
> Your existing Yagis may be higher gain, but that doesn’t necessarily
> equate to better 900 MHz performance, plus it likely means exceeding FCC
> legal EIRP.
>
> I would get one of the Cambium Yagis to play with before you go to all
> that trouble.  Unless you are thinking the spatial diversity of 2 antennas
> will help you.
>
> The Cambium Yagi is actually pretty slick, you take it out of the box,
> snap on the SM, connect the pigtails, slide down the boots, and the only
> real assembly required is to attach the U-bolts.  The worst complaints I
> can think of are the U-bolts are hefty enough you could easily crush a
> J-pipe if you don’t pay attention, and apparently they are currently in
> short supply.  Oh, and it’s a Yagi, but your alternative is 2 Yagis, so
> apparently you don’t mind that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig House 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 MHz 450
>
> I've thought about the same thing
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2016, at 18:28, SmarterBroadband 
> wrote:
>
> So I was wondering.
>
>
>
> We have hundreds of old M2 Yagi’s left from our old canopy 900 days.
>
>
>
> Could we use 2 per 450 install, one vertical and one horizontal?
>
>
>
> How far apart would they need to be?
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:53 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450
>
>
>
> http://www.m2inc.com/amateur/902-14wlc-880-950-mhz/
>
>
>
> 25db gain!
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gige Sync Injector CMM sync type?

Cmm4 is default.  You get a GUI option for both, so I don't see how/why it
would automatically figure it out?

If syncpipes are cmm3 that can certainly be my issue.  It's worth changing
my AP now!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 13, 2016 10:02 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> SyncPipes are CMM3 aligned.
>
> I think maybe it was Dan Sullivan that said the ePMP on-board GPS will
> self correct for the type of pulse its seeing on the power port. By default
> it is CMM4 though. IIRC. Could be totally wrong.
>
> And believe me when I say that there is a difference between CMM3 and CMM4
> pulse types or alignment. They are not close enough. I run into this with
> the 450's goddamn on-board GPS all the time. Because watchdog resets. And
> then 9 times out of 10, AutoSync selects the on-board at boot. I know
> they're working on that though.
>
> On 1/13/2016 8:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>>
>> Are these sending out cmm3 or cmm4 type sync?  I'm wondering if I need to
>> change my epmp units, I may be seeing some self interference.  The web
>> interface suggests CMM sync is just fine.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

2016-01-13 Thread Rory Conaway

This just gets even better.  Worked 24 hours, then breaks again.  Up to Level 4 
tech support.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

We are taking it to the Mikrotik forum.  This makes no sense since we have 12 
of the already running with no issues.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

I’m not terribly happy with ROS since 6.29.

Maybe it’s just still not 100% yet.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

Replaced the Mikrotik routers with an Airrouter, it works.  Replaced with an 
Edgerouter, still works.  This goes under the category of WTF.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

We tried 3 Mikrotik routers, 2 cable modems, and two radios from two different 
manufacturers.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

MTU?

Last time I had that problem was an inconsistent Ethernet connection. It wasn’t 
showing errors, but UDP was dropping packets. TCP retransmitted.

UDP was screwy, but TCP was downloading at the limit of the wireless feed.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

Nailed the problem down to the Mikrotik router having a problem with DNS 
caching whether it’s Cox or Google.  Not sure where to go from there since the 
other 12 don’t have a problem.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

We had raons bit no dangling cables.  Level 3 says no errors to the modem and 
we had a tech out already.  We are changing the 2011 to a 450 just to confirm 
before we eacalate further.

Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.

 Original message 
From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
>
Date: 1/11/2016 10:38 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

If it just started and youre in an area hit by storms, some of the neighbors, 
mostly the empty houses with no tenants at this point, cable was busted down by 
tree limbs and is dangling terminated byt the mud now

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
Likely an RF issue on the cable side.

I see this sort of thing with the company I consult for. They’ll have me going 
through the router, trying to shut down the “virus” or peer to peer when it is 
thousands and thousands of retransmits and broken packets.

Just like our wireless it can have good quality until loaded, then watch the 
quality drop to nearly nothing and loose connection.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

The Netgear router has nothing to do with it, I was just using their website as 
an example of downloading a file.  It’s computer, 2011, cable modem, the world. 
 I just can’t download anything from any sites.  What’s weird is they just drop.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

You mention Netgear, is this a Netgear router?  They used to have a problem 
with downloads stalling, but that was quite a few years ago.  The fix was to 
disable SPI Firewall.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

We have a cable circuit that can do everything except download.  There is a 
Mikrotik router between the computer and the cable modem.  Haven’t tested 
taking the router out yet but we have tried 2 routers, same results.  
Basically, downloads either don’t start or start and then just crash.  Game 
machines can’t update, even downloading a 20MB file from netgear fails.  
Everything else seems to work.  Any ideas would be helpful.

Rory Conaway

Re: [AFMUG] powercode custom report - customer groups

2016-01-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I cant love you anymore if you dont like scrubs

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I never did like that show :/
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 13, 2016 4:04 AM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:
>
>> Totally safe. It's from Scrubs.
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> --
>> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>> broadband | telco | colo | communities
>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>> 425-939-0047
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 18:26, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ya uhm not sure I'm clicking that...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jan 12, 2016 9:13 PM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:
>>
>>> http://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5658arTRD1qcmtopo1_250.gif
>>>
>>> ryan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/12/16 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> <3
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jan 12, 2016 6:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I love you josh

 On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> You know those are all in Data Export?  If you can do a CSV export you
> can delete the excess columns.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:06 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the built in reports list everything ither than the "none" group and
>> the "all" group. Anybody know the ID for group in the custom reports, and
>> maybe the syntax I need? Customer Id, Name, Group, Status would be a 
>> great
>> report. Powercode did not get back to me
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>>> broadband | telco | colo | communities
>>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294425-939-0047
>>>
>>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Pay Rates For Installer / Troubleshooter?

2016-01-13 Thread Jay Weekley

You man want to research some of the gotchas involved in contract work.  
Doug Hass may be a good resource to make sure you're treating your 
contractor as a contractor and not inadvertently as an employee.


Christopher Gray wrote:
I've been working as a one-man shop for a while. I've started looking 
for part-time help. I've even talked to a satellite installer about 
doing some contract work.


What sort of rates are typically paid to someone doing installations 
and troubleshooting?


[I realize this varies by region, but I'd like to at least get an idea 
of what I should be offering.]


Thanks - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Depends on what breed you have...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 13, 2016 9:16 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> The best steaks are homegrown, not in some overpriced full of bullshit
> restaurant.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:14:45 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>
> Rib eye with no bone is my choice... best steaks I had were Argentina ones
> in Bolivia..
> On Jan 13, 2016 5:49 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There
>> are great local ones in each big city.  You never go wrong with Morton's
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>>> Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best
>>> of the three.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
>>> was OK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  This
>>> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
>>> www.avast.com
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Who pooped in your Capt Crunch?  We are talking restaurants ...
On Jan 13, 2016 7:16 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> The best steaks are homegrown, not in some overpriced full of bullshit
> restaurant.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:14:45 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>
> Rib eye with no bone is my choice... best steaks I had were Argentina ones
> in Bolivia..
> On Jan 13, 2016 5:49 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There
>> are great local ones in each big city.  You never go wrong with Morton's
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>
>>> Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best
>>> of the three.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
>>> was OK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  This
>>> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
>>> www.avast.com
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I know my dad's side had some fancy breed a while back.  Everyone said it
was the best eating for a long time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 13, 2016 9:20 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I suppose that depends on what breed you think you want. The Certified
> Angus Beef association sure has pulled the wool over many eyes.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:18:37 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>
> Depends on what breed you have...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 13, 2016 9:16 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> The best steaks are homegrown, not in some overpriced full of bullshit
>> restaurant.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:14:45 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>
>> Rib eye with no bone is my choice... best steaks I had were Argentina
>> ones in Bolivia..
>> On Jan 13, 2016 5:49 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There
>>> are great local ones in each big city.  You never go wrong with Morton's
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>>
 Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best
 of the three.



 To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D



 Thank you,



 Daniel White

 afmu...@gmail.com

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
 



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio



 I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.



 On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
 was OK.



 *From:* Josh Luthman 

 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio



 Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...




 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
 




 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
 







 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:



 I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.



 Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone







 
  This
 email has been

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Rib eye with no bone is my choice... best steaks I had were Argentina ones
in Bolivia..
On Jan 13, 2016 5:49 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There
> are great local ones in each big city.  You never go wrong with Morton's
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best
>> of the three.
>>
>>
>>
>> To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>
>>
>>
>> I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
>> was OK.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>  This
>> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.
>> www.avast.com
>> 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

2016-01-13 Thread Glen Waldrop

I’m not terribly happy with ROS since 6.29.

Maybe it’s just still not 100% yet.

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

Replaced the Mikrotik routers with an Airrouter, it works.  Replaced with an 
Edgerouter, still works.  This goes under the category of WTF.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

We tried 3 Mikrotik routers, 2 cable modems, and two radios from two different 
manufacturers.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

MTU?

Last time I had that problem was an inconsistent Ethernet connection. It wasn’t 
showing errors, but UDP was dropping packets. TCP retransmitted.

UDP was screwy, but TCP was downloading at the limit of the wireless feed.

From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:47 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

Nailed the problem down to the Mikrotik router having a problem with DNS 
caching whether it’s Cox or Google.  Not sure where to go from there since the 
other 12 don’t have a problem.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

We had raons bit no dangling cables.  Level 3 says no errors to the modem and 
we had a tech out already.  We are changing the 2011 to a 450 just to confirm 
before we eacalate further.

Rory Conaway 

Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.

 Original message 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm  

Date: 1/11/2016 10:38 AM (GMT-07:00) 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download 

If it just started and youre in an area hit by storms, some of the neighbors, 
mostly the empty houses with no tenants at this point, cable was busted down by 
tree limbs and is dangling terminated byt the mud now

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

  Likely an RF issue on the cable side.

  I see this sort of thing with the company I consult for. They’ll have me 
going through the router, trying to shut down the “virus” or peer to peer when 
it is thousands and thousands of retransmits and broken packets.

  Just like our wireless it can have good quality until loaded, then watch the 
quality drop to nearly nothing and loose connection.

  From: Rory Conaway 

  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:25 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

  The Netgear router has nothing to do with it, I was just using their website 
as an example of downloading a file.  It’s computer, 2011, cable modem, the 
world.  I just can’t download anything from any sites.  What’s weird is they 
just drop.

  Rory

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:12 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

  You mention Netgear, is this a Netgear router?  They used to have a problem 
with downloads stalling, but that was quite a few years ago.  The fix was to 
disable SPI Firewall.

  From: Rory Conaway 

  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:06 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

  We have a cable circuit that can do everything except download.  There is a 
Mikrotik router between the computer and the cable modem.  Haven’t tested 
taking the router out yet but we have tried 2 routers, same results.  
Basically, downloads either don’t start or start and then just crash.  Game 
machines can’t update, even downloading a 20MB file from netgear fails.  
Everything else seems to work.  Any ideas would be helpful.

  Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

  4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

  602-426-0542

  r...@triadwireless.net

  www.triadwireless.net

  “Life is full of unfair calls, missed plays, and bad catches.  But true 
baseball players keep on playing”  - Lessons from Baseball

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] powercode custom report - customer groups

Oh, well in that case...Scrubs is absolutely horrible TV.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I cant love you anymore if you dont like scrubs
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> I never did like that show :/
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jan 13, 2016 4:04 AM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:
>>
>>> Totally safe. It's from Scrubs.
>>>
>>> ryan
>>>
>>> --
>>> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>>> broadband | telco | colo | communities
>>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>>> 425-939-0047
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 18:26, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ya uhm not sure I'm clicking that...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jan 12, 2016 9:13 PM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:
>>>
 http://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5658arTRD1qcmtopo1_250.gif

 ryan


 On 1/12/16 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 <3

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jan 12, 2016 6:14 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love you josh
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> You know those are all in Data Export?  If you can do a CSV export
>> you can delete the excess columns.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:06 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> the built in reports list everything ither than the "none" group and
>>> the "all" group. Anybody know the ID for group in the custom reports, 
>>> and
>>> maybe the syntax I need? Customer Id, Name, Group, Status would be a 
>>> great
>>> report. Powercode did not get back to me
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>


 --
 D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
 broadband | telco | colo | communities
 PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294425-939-0047


>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

2016-01-13 Thread Cameron Crum

I lived in Argentina and never thought their beef was all that special. I
ate a lot as everyone wanted to take me their favorite "parilla". I also
spent a year in Brazil and went to the original Fogo de Chao in Sao Paulo
right before they opened one stateside in Addison back in 98. They invited
me to their grand opening event in Addison after finding out I was from
that area. They are all pretty good. Some have better salad bars than
others, but the meat is about the same at all of the ones I have been to.
There are like 20 different ones here in DFW. The "nice" ones in Brazil are
something to behold though. The salad bars have lobster, crab legs,
oysters, and the desert carts are out of this world. They even bring around
special liqueur carts with chocolate shot glasses for after dinner drinks
if you can stuff any more into you gullet. I have yet to find one here that
is as good as the ones in Sao Paulo.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not if you’ve had grass fed Argentine beef.
>
> But the other difference about restaurant steaks is the dry aging which is
> quite costly.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef_aging
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>
> Ahhh, good corn fed Midwestern beef here.  :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:45:21 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>
> I grew up on a family operated dry-land wheat and cattle operation. ( That
> is the reason I work in electronics)
>
> We ate only the culls, good cows got sold after replicating.
>
> Pan fried steak almost every day it seemed.  (After the venison and elk
> was gone).
> Some bites never did get chewed sufficient to go down.  M.
> To this day, steak is one of the last things I will choose at a
> restaurant.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:19 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>
>
> Who pooped in your Capt Crunch?  We are talking restaurants ...
> On Jan 13, 2016 7:16 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> The best steaks are homegrown, not in some overpriced full of bullshit
>> restaurant.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:14:45 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio
>>
>> Rib eye with no bone is my choice... best steaks I had were Argentina
>> ones in Bolivia..
>> On Jan 13, 2016 5:49 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There
>>> are great local ones in each big city.  You never go wrong with Morton's
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>>>
 Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion.  Texas de Brazil is the best
 of the three.

 To each their own.  It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D

 Thank you,

 Daniel White

 afmu...@gmail.com

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn : Twitter

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

 I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.

 On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It
 was OK.

 *From:* Josh Luthman 

 *Sent:* Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] Pay Rates For Installer / Troubleshooter?

2016-01-13 Thread Justin Wilson

Our installers were paid by the job for installs.  We tried to keep them out of 
having to re-visit the customer if at all possible.  The reason being is they 
would tend to expect the same rates no matter what they did.  We paid $45 per 
install and were pretty good about scheduling several in an area.  Typical 
contract installer would do 3-4 installs a day.  This sometimes meant we had to 
wait a week or so to get them installed, but if the customer knew that upfront 
they were typically fine.  If they wanted an expedite, we charged a $35 
expedite fee and passed that along to the installer.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:27 AM, Christopher Gray  
> wrote:
> 
> I've been working as a one-man shop for a while. I've started looking for 
> part-time help. I've even talked to a satellite installer about doing some 
> contract work.
> 
> What sort of rates are typically paid to someone doing installations and 
> troubleshooting? 
> 
> [I realize this varies by region, but I'd like to at least get an idea of 
> what I should be offering.]
> 
> Thanks - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450


Wow15' long.

It's actually 22dbi though.  You get 25 with a stacked array of 4.

On 1/13/2016 9:53 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

http://www.m2inc.com/amateur/902-14wlc-880-950-mhz/

25db gain!

Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450

I don’t think I’ve heard the term “real smoking antenna gain” before.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450

They should do a dual pol version. 
Saying the feed is weather protected still does not prevent pattern reversal 
when loaded with ice or frost.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:53 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450

http://www.m2inc.com/amateur/902-14wlc-880-950-mhz/

25db gain!

[AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450

2016-01-13 Thread Gino Villarini

http://www.m2inc.com/amateur/902-14wlc-880-950-mhz/

25db gain!

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

Ahhh, good corn fed Midwestern beef here. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:45:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 




I grew up on a family operated dry-land wheat and cattle operation. ( That is 
the reason I work in electronics) 

We ate only the culls, good cows got sold after replicating. 

Pan fried steak almost every day it seemed. (After the venison and elk was 
gone). 
Some bites never did get chewed sufficient to go down. M. 
To this day, steak is one of the last things I will choose at a restaurant. 




From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:19 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 


Who pooped in your Capt Crunch? We are talking restaurants ... 
On Jan 13, 2016 7:16 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




The best steaks are homegrown, not in some overpriced full of bullshit 
restaurant. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:14:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 


Rib eye with no bone is my choice... best steaks I had were Argentina ones in 
Bolivia.. 
On Jan 13, 2016 5:49 AM, "Gino Villarini" < ginovi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There are 
great local ones in each big city. You never go wrong with Morton's 


On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 





Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion. Texas de Brazil is the best of the 
three. 

To each their own. It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D 

Thank you, 

Daniel White 
afmu...@gmail.com 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite 
Social: LinkedIn : Twitter 




From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 


I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao. 



On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year. It was OK. 






From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 




Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil... 



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
 



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
 










Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 







I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here. 



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Re: [AFMUG] I know it is not Friday


Thanks!


On 1/13/2016 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

2.3ï¿½
*From:* Adam Moffett 
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:48 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I know it is not Friday
What's the depth on the surge protector housing?

We've been mounting them on the inside of a cabinet door, which works 
with Cambium 200SS, but some other products are too deep.




On 1/12/2016 1:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But since I have not done a list blast for a while, I thought I could 
get away with it.

Will be sending something similar with a Mailchimp email too.
ï¿½
Designed by customer request:
http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
ï¿½
Allows the DC power conductor to have protection at the top or bottom 
of the tower.ï¿½ Heavy duty gas tube protection backed up by solid 
state protection.ï¿½ 7 amp circuit fuse included.ï¿½ LEDS to indicate 
the condition of the fuse.ï¿½ Choke inductance to limit surge 
transmittal from one side of the circuit to the other.ï¿½

ï¿½
Back by customer demand:
http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
*There is a video of the unit in operation on this web page. *
The ice shield is at a lower price than before.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450

LOL I wonder how many customers would do a 15' yagi...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Wow15' long.
>
> It's actually 22dbi though.  You get 25 with a stacked array of 4.
>
> On 1/13/2016 9:53 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>> http://www.m2inc.com/amateur/902-14wlc-880-950-mhz/
>>
>> 25db gain!
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

The best steaks are homegrown, not in some overpriced full of bullshit 
restaurant. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:14:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 


Rib eye with no bone is my choice... best steaks I had were Argentina ones in 
Bolivia.. 
On Jan 13, 2016 5:49 AM, "Gino Villarini" < ginovi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There are 
great local ones in each big city. You never go wrong with Morton's 


On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 





Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion. Texas de Brazil is the best of the 
three. 

To each their own. It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D 

Thank you, 

Daniel White 
afmu...@gmail.com 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite 
Social: LinkedIn : Twitter 




From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 


I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao. 



On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year. It was OK. 






From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 




Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil... 



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
 



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
 










Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 







I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here. 



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone 







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Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I suppose that depends on what breed you think you want. The Certified Angus 
Beef association sure has pulled the wool over many eyes. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:18:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 


Depends on what breed you have... 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Jan 13, 2016 9:16 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




The best steaks are homegrown, not in some overpriced full of bullshit 
restaurant. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:14:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 


Rib eye with no bone is my choice... best steaks I had were Argentina ones in 
Bolivia.. 
On Jan 13, 2016 5:49 AM, "Gino Villarini" < ginovi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I prefer a traditional steakhouse... bone in Rib Eye... hmmm!! There are 
great local ones in each big city. You never go wrong with Morton's 


On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 





Fogo is better than Rodizio in my opinion. Texas de Brazil is the best of the 
three. 

To each their own. It’s almost like splitting hairs :-D 

Thank you, 

Daniel White 
afmu...@gmail.com 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite 
Social: LinkedIn : Twitter 




From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:58 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 


I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao. 



On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year. It was OK. 






From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio 




Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil... 



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496
 



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05
 










Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 







I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here. 



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone 







This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected 
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Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I try to focus elsewhere - Matt 5:38-48

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:21 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

I'm sure Chuck could point you toward someone else who is the real root of all 
evil.  

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  you know, if chuck wasnt a jerk you guys would have that option but n 
old chuck turned his back on everybody to be mr cool guy with his own domain 
name. 

  On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I've heard good things about Fogo de Chao.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  There is one here (Schaumburg) and I went with the wife last year.  It 
was OK.

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio

  Cullman is right in the middle of two Texas de Brazil... 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x0e17d887cd8c7496

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas+de+Brazil/@34.227693,-87.5563734,8.75z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sTexas+de+Brazil+alabama!3m1!1s0x:0x5e50ab1b77a0ba05

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:

I'm hungry and there is no rodizio here.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] I know it is not Friday

2.3”

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I know it is not Friday

What's the depth on the surge protector housing?

We've been mounting them on the inside of a cabinet door, which works with 
Cambium 200SS, but some other products are too deep.

On 1/12/2016 1:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  But since I have not done a list blast for a while, I thought I could get 
away with it.
  Will be sending something similar with a Mailchimp email too.
  ï¿½
  Designed by customer request:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
  ï¿½
  Allows the DC power conductor to have protection at the top or bottom of the 
tower.ï¿½ Heavy duty gas tube protection backed up by solid state 
protection.ï¿½ 7 amp circuit fuse included.ï¿½ LEDS to indicate the condition 
of the fuse.ï¿½ Choke inductance to limit surge transmittal from one side of 
the circuit to the other.ï¿½ 
  ï¿½
  Back by customer demand:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/outdoor-dc-power-line-surge-suppressor-protector/
  There is a video of the unit in operation on this web page. 
  The ice shield is at a lower price than before.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Rodizio