date:20160614

Thanks everyone for the feedback. Not sure if we have any architectural firms 
in our area. Ill have to look. The plumbing shop is an interesting idea as well 
Ill ask. I am not at all surprised that Chuck had a link. Chuck have you used 
that company before?

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

 

http://www.e-sbr.com/

 

From: Brandon Yuchasz   

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:02 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

 

So fairly off topic but since I live in the middle of nowhere ( great place for 
a wisp) I don’t have access to normal businesses like a copy shop. A friend 
loaned me some old topo maps of an area I spent a lot of time in each fall. The 
maps have hand written notes on them along with GPS cords in some cases. He 
said to make a copy and return the maps to him. The problem is nowhere close to 
me can make copies this large. They are color and the largest map is 35”x 28”. 
I am wondering if anyone knows of a company that they have used in the past 
that I could send these too and have them make two copies of each and then send 
them all back. 

 

They are too large to scan and a digital photo uploaded to a printer won’t cut 
it on quality. 

 

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net

Re: [AFMUG] 450 Contention Slots

2016-06-14 Thread Vlad Sedov

The frame utilization tab makes it pretty easy. Just make sure 
contention slots under uplink counts doesn't stay close to max possible 
contention count.



Vlad


On 6/14/2016 3:03 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/bstrc49894/attachments/bstrc49894/forums_pmp_450/1799/1/SP_PMP_450_Contention_Slots.pdf

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Communications Inc > wrote:


Freaking balancing act.  I should just be an engineer.

How are you handling the 450 contention slots to subs.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

2016-06-14 Thread Cameron Crum

A print shop may not copy them either. They may consider the underlying map
a copyright. Can you maybe take a high def photo then order your own maps
and reproduce the notes? That may be your best bet.



On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> http://www.e-sbr.com/
>
> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.
>
>
> So fairly off topic but since I live in the middle of nowhere ( great
> place for a wisp) I don’t have access to normal businesses like a copy
> shop. A friend loaned me some old topo maps of an area I spent a lot of
> time in each fall. The maps have hand written notes on them along with GPS
> cords in some cases. He said to make a copy and return the maps to him. The
> problem is nowhere close to me can make copies this large. They are color
> and the largest map is 35”x 28”. I am wondering if anyone knows of a
> company that they have used in the past that I could send these too and
> have them make two copies of each and then send them all back.
>
>
>
> They are too large to scan and a digital photo uploaded to a printer won’t
> cut it on quality.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ptp cambium links

2016-06-14 Thread Sean Heskett

can you send a screen shot of that page?


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> I should say just has cir settings no bandwidth settings like a sm has.
>
> Craig Schmaderer
> Cell 402-380-1245
> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:23 PM -0500, "Craig Schmaderer" <
> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote:
>
> Nope
>
> Craig Schmaderer
> Cell 402-380-1245
> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:15 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
> wrote:
>
> under the left hand "configuration" menu is there a "QoS" tab??
>
> you should be able to throttle those products just like you can an SM
> (i'll freely admit i've never used any of those products tho).
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Craig Schmaderer <
> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote:
>
>> 450 100 230
>>
>> Craig Schmaderer
>> Cell 402-380-1245
>> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:59 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> To which cambium PTP link are you referring?
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Craig Schmaderer <
>> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe I'm asking for too much or maybe I'm missing something but why
>>> does Cambium not allow or have? rate limiting on the slave unit. I would
>>> think there are a lot of use cases on a ptp link and being able to easily
>>> rate limit on the slave side or ap doesn't really matter.  I hope I'm just
>>> dumb and I missing something but who knows.
>>>
>>> Craig Schmaderer
>>> Cell 402-380-1245
>>> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-14 Thread Josh Reynolds

The maximum data rate of the original SFP (not SFP+) is 5Gbps.

http://www.fibertronics-store.com/SFP-Transceiver-Module-2125-25Gbps-Singlemode-1310nm-10km-SFP-LX-SM-0310.htm;jsessionid=C0567AE6A1D4557BB5A62DA702510539.m1plqscsfapp02?gclid=Cj0KEQjw1v66BRCV-6rh6s-Biu8BEiQAelpui52zXMUfBX3fY-sliWxvVsGncI5j878U1hjTeixFJLEaApen8P8HAQ

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> Switch?  If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links
> between two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion. WISPs love to
> build layer 2 clusterfucks because a lot of small ones start with basically
> no OSPF or BGP knowledge.
>
> Show me a real router platform that is in common use that supports 2.5 Gbps
> SFP (not SFP+ on a rate limited port).
>
> On Jun 11, 2016 10:29 AM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:
>>
>> Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G
>> capable since 2009.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>>
>>> There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage
>>> array applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used
>>> in ethernet speaking routers/switches.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser
>>>  wrote:

 Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP,
 not sure why they did not go 10G


 Erich Kaiser
 North Central Tower
 er...@northcentraltower.com
 Office: 630-621-4804
 Cell: 630-777-9291


 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
 wrote:
>
> So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model
> appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all
> three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?
>
> Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra
> to unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 
> 2200Mbps.
> Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet
> buffer.. seems low.
>
> Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?
>
> -c


>>>
>>
>

I'm going to try to do some more hunting tomorrow. I suspect that we've
ran into a 911.5 licensed radiolocation transmitter, probably railroad.
They are allowed 2W/28W ERP. As if the smart meters weren't going to be
bad enough.

On 6/14/2016 9:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
External attenuators inline with the yagi cable will do the trick.
Try 40 dB or 60 dB.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/N-attenuator-N-male-to-N-female-connector-adapter-30-dB-2W-US-Stock-Fast-Ship-/111548631490?hash=item19f8d109c2:g:9kwAAOSw2XFUje1R
Lots of places can ship these overnight.
With a handheld receiver and a vertical rubber duck antenna, you can
put it against your body, wrap your hand around the antenna and rotate
your body to see where the signal direction is the strongest. Local
hams love to do a transmitter hunt. The actually organize these
events for fun. Find one and they will find it for you.

*From:* George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 8:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT 900 channels
Had a friend at the dispatch company stop by and let us use an
Anritsu. It's a very high power signal at 911.5. And it's very narrow,
either 1 or 10khz. Maybe 5. I'm tired. On the street with a little
10dBi M2 yagi, we couldn't add enough attenuation to get it to stop
overloading even the analyzer. At least we have a general idea where
it's coming from. But obviously it's overloading the front end on our
Canopy AP, which is at 150' and probably two blocks away. I doubt it's
anything amateur. This is retarded. I fucking hate 900!

Some googling says 911.5 could be a transponder, locator, HID kinda
thing. But it popped up on Saturday at at 1:30 in the afternoon. It
was also 101 degrees outside then. I have to wonder if there's a power
co transformer or a line spitting out crap somewhere like a spark-gap
transmitter.

On 6/13/2016 7:27 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I imagine it could be stronger than that. Looks like the scale stops
at -35

Sean Heskett wrote:
whatever it is, it has to be right on the same site as you or aimed
right at you since it's at a -35 :-/
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, George Skorup > wrote:

Thanks. Not sure why I didn't find that.

Not sure what this is, but it sucks. We were on 912 and someone
decided to get right on top of us. Now we're at 923 and I can
keep only one customer registered (because he's at -45). Looks
like we're going to have to abandon 900 at this site.

On 6/13/2016 3:30 PM, Micah Miller wrote:

I believe that this will answer your question:

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Wireless-Networking/Ubiquiti-900-Mhz-frequencies/td-p/454763

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, George Skorupmailto:geo...@cbcast.com
wrote:

Anybody know offhand what the carrier frequencies are for the UBNT M900 at
the various channel widths. Is 911 one of them?

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-14 Thread Mike Hammett

*nods* MPLS or CE or some of their relatives. You still need L3 for MPLS (I 
haven't deployed CE or relatives), but getting above the basic L2 devices is 
imperative. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:40:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi 


as a SP, you want MPLS 


Get Outlook for iOS 




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:06 PM +0200, "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 





I think the point is that Layer3 scales better. 

For something simple you can keep it simple, but as the network gets larger you 
always end up wanting Layer3 so as an ISP you might as well just start where 
you're going to end up anyway. 

It's also safer to keep the broadcast domain small. 



-- Original Message -- 
From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 6/14/2016 10:27:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi 






I am missing something here. What is wrong with using a $6000 microwave as a 
piece of long CAT 5? Point A to Point B extending your reach. 
Why complicate it with layer 3? 




From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:17 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi 


Switch? If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links between 
two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion. WISPs love to build layer 2 
clusterfucks because a lot of small ones start with basically no OSPF or BGP 
knowledge. 
Show me a real router platform that is in common use that supports 2.5 Gbps SFP 
(not SFP+ on a rate limited port). 
On Jun 11, 2016 10:29 AM, "Jon Auer" < j...@tapodi.net > wrote: 



Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G capable 
since 2009. 


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage array 
applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used in 
ethernet speaking routers/switches. 





On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com > 
wrote: 



Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, not sure 
why they did not go 10G 













Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower 
er...@northcentraltower.com 
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson < c...@infowest.com > wrote: 


So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model appears 
to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all three SFPs, 
and one copper gig to get it? 

Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra to 
unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 2200Mbps. 
Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again. The 1MB packet buffer.. seems 
low. 

Anybody else have any thoughts? Anybody got one yet? 

-c

Re: [AFMUG] Ptp cambium links

I should say just has cir settings no bandwidth settings like a sm has.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:23 PM -0500, "Craig Schmaderer" 
> wrote:

Nope

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:15 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
> wrote:

under the left hand "configuration" menu is there a "QoS" tab??

you should be able to throttle those products just like you can an SM (i'll 
freely admit i've never used any of those products tho).

-Sean

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
450 100 230

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:59 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
> wrote:

To which cambium PTP link are you referring?

-sean

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
Maybe I'm asking for too much or maybe I'm missing something but why does 
Cambium not allow or have? rate limiting on the slave unit. I would think there 
are a lot of use cases on a ptp link and being able to easily rate limit on the 
slave side or ap doesn't really matter.  I hope I'm just dumb and I missing 
something but who knows.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Ptp cambium links

Nope

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:15 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
> wrote:

under the left hand "configuration" menu is there a "QoS" tab??

you should be able to throttle those products just like you can an SM (i'll 
freely admit i've never used any of those products tho).

-Sean

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
450 100 230

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:59 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
> wrote:

To which cambium PTP link are you referring?

-sean

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
Maybe I'm asking for too much or maybe I'm missing something but why does 
Cambium not allow or have? rate limiting on the slave unit. I would think there 
are a lot of use cases on a ptp link and being able to easily rate limit on the 
slave side or ap doesn't really matter.  I hope I'm just dumb and I missing 
something but who knows.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Ptp cambium links

2016-06-14 Thread Sean Heskett

under the left hand "configuration" menu is there a "QoS" tab??

you should be able to throttle those products just like you can an SM (i'll
freely admit i've never used any of those products tho).

-Sean


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> 450 100 230
>
> Craig Schmaderer
> Cell 402-380-1245
> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:59 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
> wrote:
>
> To which cambium PTP link are you referring?
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Craig Schmaderer <
> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe I'm asking for too much or maybe I'm missing something but why does
>> Cambium not allow or have? rate limiting on the slave unit. I would think
>> there are a lot of use cases on a ptp link and being able to easily rate
>> limit on the slave side or ap doesn't really matter.  I hope I'm just dumb
>> and I missing something but who knows.
>>
>> Craig Schmaderer
>> Cell 402-380-1245
>> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

2016-06-14 Thread Lewis Bergman

Last time I was in a Kinkos/FedEx they could do this

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:30 PM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Local architect?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
> > many plumber shops have a large scanner/plotter thats exactly perfect
> > for this purpose
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Brandon Yuchasz
> > > wrote:
> >
> > So fairly off topic but since I live in the middle of nowhere (
> > great place for a wisp) I don’t have access to normal businesses
> > like a copy shop. A friend loaned me some old topo maps of an area
> > I spent a lot of time in each fall. The maps have hand written
> > notes on them along with GPS cords in some cases. He said to make
> > a copy and return the maps to him. The problem is nowhere close to
> > me can make copies this large. They are color and the largest map
> > is 35”x 28”. I am wondering if anyone knows of a company that they
> > have used in the past that I could send these too and have them
> > make two copies of each and then send them all back.
> >
> > They are too large to scan and a digital photo uploaded to a
> > printer won’t cut it on quality.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Brandon Yuchasz
> >
> > GogebicRange.net
> >
> > www.gogebicrange.net 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> > team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450 Contention Slots

Yeah we have settled on 4 and also try to keep vc's under 50.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:38 PM -0500, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:

I have our 5GHz 450 APs at 2 control slots to sync up with FSK. Yeah, we need 
to go up to four. Going to be quite a task.

On 6/14/2016 4:21 PM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) wrote:
That's what I am doing as well

Tyson Burris, Presidentï¿½
Internet Communications Inc.ï¿½
739 Commerce Dr.ï¿½
Franklin, IN 46131ï¿½
ï¿½ï¿½
317-738-0320ï¿½Daytime #ï¿½
317-412-1540ï¿½Cell/Direct #ï¿½
Online:ï¿½www.surfici.net
ï¿½
Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Dan Parrish 
<d...@tularosa.net> wrote:

We built our PMP450's with 4 contention slots and then we basically
don't install more than 50 VC on it. If we installed more than 50 VC, we
/should/ move the contention slots up to 6, but that might affect sync
across the whole network.

We just try to keep the VC count <50.

--danp

On 06/14/2016 02:03 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/bstrc49894/attachments/bstrc49894/forums_pmp_450/1799/1/SP_PMP_450_Contention_Slots.pdf

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
Inc 
<t...@franklinisp.net 
> wrote:

ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½Freaking balancing act. ï¿½I should just be an engineer.

ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½How are you handling the 450 contention slots to subs.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ptp cambium links

450 100 230

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:59 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
> wrote:

To which cambium PTP link are you referring?

-sean




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
Maybe I'm asking for too much or maybe I'm missing something but why does 
Cambium not allow or have? rate limiting on the slave unit. I would think there 
are a lot of use cases on a ptp link and being able to easily rate limit on the 
slave side or ap doesn't really matter.  I hope I'm just dumb and I missing 
something but who knows.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

[AFMUG] Ptp cambium links

Maybe I'm asking for too much or maybe I'm missing something but why does 
Cambium not allow or have? rate limiting on the slave unit. I would think there 
are a lot of use cases on a ptp link and being able to easily rate limit on the 
slave side or ap doesn't really matter.  I hope I'm just dumb and I missing 
something but who knows.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450 Contention Slots

2016-06-14 Thread George Skorup

I have our 5GHz 450 APs at 2 control slots to sync up with FSK. Yeah, we 
need to go up to four. Going to be quite a task.


On 6/14/2016 4:21 PM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) wrote:

That's what I am doing as well

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr. **
**Franklin, IN 46131 **
***
*317-738-0320  Daytime #*
*317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #*
*Online: **www.surfici.net* 



Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!


On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Dan Parrish > wrote:



We built our PMP450's with 4 contention slots and then we basically
don't install more than 50 VC on it. If we installed more than 50 VC, we
/should/ move the contention slots up to 6, but that might affect sync
across the whole network.

We just try to keep the VC count <50.

--danp



On 06/14/2016 02:03 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/bstrc49894/attachments/bstrc49894/forums_pmp_450/1799/1/SP_PMP_450_Contention_Slots.pdf

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
Inc  
> wrote:


   Freaking balancing act.  I should just be an engineer.

   How are you handling the 450 contention slots to subs.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

2016-06-14 Thread Jay Weekley


Local architect?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
many plumber shops have a large scanner/plotter thats exactly perfect 
for this purpose


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:


So fairly off topic but since I live in the middle of nowhere (
great place for a wisp) I don’t have access to normal businesses
like a copy shop. A friend loaned me some old topo maps of an area
I spent a lot of time in each fall. The maps have hand written
notes on them along with GPS cords in some cases. He said to make
a copy and return the maps to him. The problem is nowhere close to
me can make copies this large. They are color and the largest map
is 35”x 28”. I am wondering if anyone knows of a company that they
have used in the past that I could send these too and have them
make two copies of each and then send them all back.

They are too large to scan and a digital photo uploaded to a
printer won’t cut it on quality.

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

many plumber shops have a large scanner/plotter thats exactly perfect for
this purpose

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> So fairly off topic but since I live in the middle of nowhere ( great
> place for a wisp) I don’t have access to normal businesses like a copy
> shop. A friend loaned me some old topo maps of an area I spent a lot of
> time in each fall. The maps have hand written notes on them along with GPS
> cords in some cases. He said to make a copy and return the maps to him. The
> problem is nowhere close to me can make copies this large. They are color
> and the largest map is 35”x 28”. I am wondering if anyone knows of a
> company that they have used in the past that I could send these too and
> have them make two copies of each and then send them all back.
>
>
>
> They are too large to scan and a digital photo uploaded to a printer won’t
> cut it on quality.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] OT: large copies of paper.

So fairly off topic but since I live in the middle of nowhere ( great place
for a wisp) I don't have access to normal businesses like a copy shop. A
friend loaned me some old topo maps of an area I spent a lot of time in each
fall. The maps have hand written notes on them along with GPS cords in some
cases. He said to make a copy and return the maps to him. The problem is
nowhere close to me can make copies this large. They are color and the
largest map is 35"x 28". I am wondering if anyone knows of a company that
they have used in the past that I could send these too and have them make
two copies of each and then send them all back. 

 

They are too large to scan and a digital photo uploaded to a printer won't
cut it on quality. 

 

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

  www.gogebicrange.net

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

Godaddy is V6 but Bigcommerce is not, at least not for all their run of the 
mill customers.  We are trying to figure out how to make sure V6 only customers 
can get to the site. 

From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

Looks good from Baltimore!

From: Af  on behalf of can...@believewireless.net 

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down? 

I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error. Tried from two different connections.

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

2016-06-14 Thread Josh Reynolds

Can you please contact your host (bigcommerce) and ask them ever so
kindly to stop blocking ICMP on their firewall? This breaks PMTUD and
also causes other issues in troubleshooting.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> We are trying to switch to IPV6 so yes maybe.
>
> From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?
>
> I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error. Tried from two different connections.

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

2016-06-14 Thread Tyler Treat


Looks good from Baltimore!


From: Af  on behalf of can...@believewireless.net 

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error. Tried from two different connections.

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

Did you turn off your sit tunnel to HE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:20 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Works now!
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> IPv4 only and it works perfectly fine!!!
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> We are trying to switch to IPV6 so yes maybe.
>>>
>>> *From:* mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:02 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?
>>>
>>> I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error. Tried from two different
>>> connections.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

2016-06-14 Thread can...@believewireless.net

Works now!

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> IPv4 only and it works perfectly fine!!!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> We are trying to switch to IPV6 so yes maybe.
>>
>> *From:* mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?
>>
>> I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error. Tried from two different connections.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

IPv4 only and it works perfectly fine!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> We are trying to switch to IPV6 so yes maybe.
>
> *From:* mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?
>
> I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error. Tried from two different connections.
>

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

We are trying to switch to IPV6 so yes maybe.  

From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error. Tried from two different connections.

Re: [AFMUG] 450 Contention Slots

2016-06-14 Thread Sean Heskett

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/bstrc49894/attachments/bstrc49894/forums_pmp_450/1799/1/SP_PMP_450_Contention_Slots.pdf

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
Inc  wrote:

> Freaking balancing act.  I should just be an engineer.
>
> How are you handling the 450 contention slots to subs.
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>
>
>
> [image: ICI]
>
> *What can ICI do for you?*
>
>
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[AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

2016-06-14 Thread can...@believewireless.net

I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error. Tried from two different connections.

Re: [AFMUG] force 200 5ghz in stock?

youre killing me smalls

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> We have thousands on the way.  Probably a couple weeks out on the next
> tranche of 5GHz 200s.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> Almost always, yeah, but there have been a couple of times when everywhere
> ran out of Force 200's.
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> CTI almost always has stock IME
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> the vendors theyve checked with only have 180, from what our orderer says
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Have you tried CTI and WAV? They usually have plenty...

 On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Ohio Streakwave has a good bit, but it's the airshipped more expensive
> ones =/
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> which vendors have these in stock today?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

2016-06-14 Thread Jay Weekley


You are not alone.

Josh Luthman wrote:

Even if the radio is offline you should have a history of stats IMO


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:


Just had a call from a customer that was “off line” was an ePMP I
dreaded logging in to take a look because if its off line I am not
going to see a thing. Luckily this was a router / user issue not
our equipment.

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:06 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

All I want for Christmas is SM proxy access via AP like Canopy.
ICC and proxy is a godsend.

On 6/14/2016 11:03 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

I am kind of combining the two conversations between you and
Josh at this point but we have been using PRTG for monitoring
but only at the AP and backhaul level. On a few rate cases I
have added some SMs into it for a while but generally have not
needed to. ï¿½I will have to look into some options along
these lines for monitoring at the SM level.

I know its sacrilegious to even say but we use QuickBooks for
our billing and our oldest custom base is billed quarterly.
Newer customers or those that chose to change over use ACH
monthly and we just donï¿½t have much need for a different
billing system this takes very little time to manage and works
well for us.

ï¿½

I am curious if they have any plans to add these statistics to
the ePMP platform any Cambium team members lurking around this
list care to comment?

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

ï¿½

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

ï¿½

I'm old school and still use MRTG with a bunch of custom
scripting I wrote, but you can substitute in your favorite
graphing platform.ï¿½ I graph these parameters and they have
worked well for us for a number of years.ï¿½ We monitor every
SM in the network.

FSK - Traffic, RSSI, DBM, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
450- Traffic, DBM, SNR, V-H Ratio, Associated to Which AP in
Cluster
EPMP - Traffic, MCS, DBM, TX Power, Associated to Which AP in
Cluster

On 6/14/2016 10:18 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Nate,

Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor
those SMs?

I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls
when they have not had internet for three days. I
generally tell them I have put them in the schedule for
Monday and itï¿½s a shame they didnï¿½t call sooner I was
right by their house twice during the week. I know I
should bite my tongue but sometimes I canï¿½t help myself.
ï¿½I think a lot of the time people say its hasnï¿½t
working in days thinking it will add some level of
priority to it when in fact it just went off line a few
minutes ago.

ï¿½

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

ï¿½

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

ï¿½

I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes
it very easy to see if they have changing signal levels,
or when they dropped out.ï¿½ Like if they slowly lose
signal the entire month of May, then you know it's
trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db one day, then it
moved.ï¿½ If it just dropped offline, then power
supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when they say
'No internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check
with your Kids, because someone has been streaming non
stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days' really is only 2 hours, but they
want you to think it's worse.

On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

I never thought about resizing my routerOS vm


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:45 PM,  wrote:

> Technically, yes. However, a RouterOS x86 license is cheaper than a
> Windows license and on a PC, you'd have the storage and processor that'd be
> perfect for Dude. Kiwi Syslog is good, too.
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:53 AM -0600, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> isnt the dude router only now no server installation?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Jesse DuPont <
>> jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I've found The Dude (from MikroTik) be a decent quick and dirty syslog
>>> server. You can setup log rotation, use REGEX strings to have certain log
>>> entries go to different files, even receive TXT or email messages when
>>> certain critical words show up log entries.
>>>
>>> For example, whenever an SM connects to an AP, that's getting logged to
>>> an "SM Auths" log file. Likewise, PPPoE authentications are getting logged
>>> to their own log file. OSPF and router logins are each their own file. That
>>> leaves the default log file as the catch all. Certain OSPF events warrant a
>>> text message and the Dude can do that.
>>>
>>> Caveat: I have seen where the dude doesn't always save all the Syslog
>>> rules during reboots. I keep a screen shot of the rules as a backup. Lame,
>>> I know, but I don't have to reboot it much so it's only mildly inconvenient.
>>>
>>> There other platforms that are more flexible. Everything you can do on
>>> the Dude can be done with rsyslog on Linux, just no click GUI to set it up.
>>> I'd say Splunk is maybe one of the king daddy log processors, but the fancy
>>> stuff costs money.
>>>
>>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>>
>>> Network Architect
>>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>>> Celerity Networks LLC
>>>
>>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>>
>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>>> On 6/14/16 9:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
>>> what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching logs.
>>> I set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple scripts.
>>> Looking for something I can point the 60 billion devices we only need to
>>> look at logs on once every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If
>>> there is a good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh
>>> kitten
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

Even if the radio is offline you should have a history of stats IMO


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Just had a call from a customer that was “off line” was an ePMP I dreaded
> logging in to take a look because if its off line I am not going to see a
> thing. Luckily this was a router / user issue not our equipment.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:06 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP
>
>
>
> All I want for Christmas is SM proxy access via AP like Canopy. ICC and
> proxy is a godsend.
>
> On 6/14/2016 11:03 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>
> I am kind of combining the two conversations between you and Josh at this
> point but we have been using PRTG for monitoring but only at the AP and
> backhaul level. On a few rate cases I have added some SMs into it for a
> while but generally have not needed to. ï¿½I will have to look into some
> options along these lines for monitoring at the SM level.
>
> I know its sacrilegious to even say but we use QuickBooks for our billing
> and our oldest custom base is billed quarterly. Newer customers or those
> that chose to change over use ACH monthly and we just donï¿½t have much
> need for a different billing system this takes very little time to manage
> and works well for us.
>
> ï¿½
>
> I am curious if they have any plans to add these statistics to the ePMP
> platform any Cambium team members lurking around this list care to comment?
>
> ï¿½
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
> ï¿½
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP
>
> ï¿½
>
> I'm old school and still use MRTG with a bunch of custom scripting I
> wrote, but you can substitute in your favorite graphing platform.ï¿½ I
> graph these parameters and they have worked well for us for a number of
> years.ï¿½ We monitor every SM in the network.
>
> FSK - Traffic, RSSI, DBM, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
> 450- Traffic, DBM, SNR, V-H Ratio, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
> EPMP - Traffic, MCS, DBM, TX Power, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
>
> On 6/14/2016 10:18 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor those SMs?
>
> I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls when they have not
> had internet for three days. I generally tell them I have put them in the
> schedule for Monday and itï¿½s a shame they didnï¿½t call sooner I was
> right by their house twice during the week. I know I should bite my tongue
> but sometimes I canï¿½t help myself. ï¿½I think a lot of the time people
> say its hasnï¿½t working in days thinking it will add some level of
> priority to it when in fact it just went off line a few minutes ago.
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
> ï¿½
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP
>
> ï¿½
>
> I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very easy to
> see if they have changing signal levels, or when they dropped out.ï¿½ Like
> if they slowly lose signal the entire month of May, then you know it's
> trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db one day, then it moved.ï¿½ If it just
> dropped offline, then power supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when
> they say 'No internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check with your
> Kids, because someone has been streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days'
> really is only 2 hours, but they want you to think it's worse.
>
> On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>
> Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform
> I am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450
> you can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll
> through looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and
> even see the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that
> ï¿½hasnï¿½t has internet since Mondayï¿½ and you see they went idle with
> only one session count and aï¿½ -62 at the time. You can assume the power
> supply got damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone
> support and they verify no green light.ï¿½ On the other hand now that the
> leaves are on the trees and nice and thick we can scroll through the
> session counts and find customers that have been up for 8 years that are
> now

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

2016-06-14 Thread Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc

Just had a call from a customer that was off line was an ePMP I dreaded
logging in to take a look because if its off line I am not going to see a
thing. Luckily this was a router / user issue not our equipment.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

 

All I want for Christmas is SM proxy access via AP like Canopy. ICC and
proxy is a godsend.

On 6/14/2016 11:03 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

I am kind of combining the two conversations between you and Josh at this
point but we have been using PRTG for monitoring but only at the AP and
backhaul level. On a few rate cases I have added some SMs into it for a
while but generally have not needed to. ï¿½I will have to look into some
options along these lines for monitoring at the SM level.

I know its sacrilegious to even say but we use QuickBooks for our billing
and our oldest custom base is billed quarterly. Newer customers or those
that chose to change over use ACH monthly and we just donï¿½t have much need
for a different billing system this takes very little time to manage and
works well for us. 

ï¿½

I am curious if they have any plans to add these statistics to the ePMP
platform any Cambium team members lurking around this list care to comment?

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net

ï¿½

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

ï¿½

I'm old school and still use MRTG with a bunch of custom scripting I wrote,
but you can substitute in your favorite graphing platform.ï¿½ I graph these
parameters and they have worked well for us for a number of years.ï¿½ We
monitor every SM in the network. 

FSK - Traffic, RSSI, DBM, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
450- Traffic, DBM, SNR, V-H Ratio, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
EPMP - Traffic, MCS, DBM, TX Power, Associated to Which AP in Cluster

On 6/14/2016 10:18 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Nate,

Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor those SMs? 

I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls when they have not
had internet for three days. I generally tell them I have put them in the
schedule for Monday and itï¿½s a shame they didnï¿½t call sooner I was right
by their house twice during the week. I know I should bite my tongue but
sometimes I canï¿½t help myself. ï¿½I think a lot of the time people say its
hasnï¿½t working in days thinking it will add some level of priority to it
when in fact it just went off line a few minutes ago. 

ï¿½

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net

ï¿½

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

ï¿½

I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very easy to see
if they have changing signal levels, or when they dropped out.ï¿½ Like if
they slowly lose signal the entire month of May, then you know it's
trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db one day, then it moved.ï¿½ If it just
dropped offline, then power supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when
they say 'No internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check with your
Kids, because someone has been streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days'
really is only 2 hours, but they want you to think it's worse.

On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform I
am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450 you
can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll through
looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and even see
the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that ï¿½hasnï¿½t
has internet since Mondayï¿½ and you see they went idle with only one
session count and aï¿½ -62 at the time. You can assume the power supply got
damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone support and
they verify no green light.ï¿½ On the other hand now that the leaves are on
the trees and nice and thick we can scroll through the session counts and
find customers that have been up for 8 years that are now having issues with
the tree cover. 568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in the
schedule and get out at take a look. 

ï¿½

Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I canï¿½t even
find if a session is idle.ï¿½ I can find how many SMs have registered to the
AP but no specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are one SM ,
guys doing site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys
troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff. 

ï¿½

Best

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

2016-06-14 Thread jesse . dupont



Technically, yes. However, a RouterOS x86 license is cheaper than a Windows 
license and on a PC, you'd have the storage and processor that'd be perfect for 
Dude. Kiwi Syslog is good, too.


Get Outlook for Android






On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:53 AM -0600, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:










isnt the dude router only now no server installation?
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Jesse DuPont  
wrote:

  

  
  


I've found The Dude (from MikroTik) be a decent quick and dirty
  syslog server. You can setup log rotation, use REGEX strings to
  have certain log entries go to different files, even receive TXT
  or email messages when certain critical words show up log entries.


For example, whenever an SM connects to an AP, that's getting
  logged to an "SM Auths" log file. Likewise, PPPoE authentications
  are getting logged to their own log file. OSPF and router logins
  are each their own file. That leaves the default log file as the
  catch all. Certain OSPF events warrant a text message and the Dude
  can do that.




Caveat: I have seen where the dude doesn't always save all the
  Syslog rules during reboots. I keep a screen shot of the rules as
  a backup. Lame, I know, but I don't have to reboot it much so it's
  only mildly inconvenient.


There other platforms that are more flexible. Everything you can
  do on the Dude can be done with rsyslog on Linux, just no click
  GUI to set it up. I'd say Splunk is maybe one of the king daddy
  log processors, but the fancy stuff costs money.



  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  


Jesse DuPont

  

Network
  Architect

  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net

  Celerity Networks LLC
  

Celerity
  Broadband LLC

Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

  

  

On 6/14/16 9:06 AM, That One Guy
  /sarcasm wrote:



  what is an easy server to set up and get reports
from for catching logs. I set everything on centOS and dont know
how to write simple scripts. Looking for something I can point
the 60 billion devices we only need to look at logs on once
every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If there is a
good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh
kitten




-- 


  

  If you only see yourself as
  part of the team but you don't see your team as
  part of yourself you have already failed as part
  of the team.

  

  



  




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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] 450 Contention Slots

Freaking balancing act.  I should just be an engineer.

How are you handling the 450 contention slots to subs.

 

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Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
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317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

2016-06-14 Thread George Skorup

All I want for Christmas is SM proxy access via AP like Canopy. ICC and 
proxy is a godsend.


On 6/14/2016 11:03 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


I am kind of combining the two conversations between you and Josh at 
this point but we have been using PRTG for monitoring but only at the 
AP and backhaul level. On a few rate cases I have added some SMs into 
it for a while but generally have not needed to.  I will have to look 
into some options along these lines for monitoring at the SM level.


I know its sacrilegious to even say but we use QuickBooks for our 
billing and our oldest custom base is billed quarterly. Newer 
customers or those that chose to change over use ACH monthly and we 
just donï¿½t have much need for a different billing system this takes 
very little time to manage and works well for us.


I am curious if they have any plans to add these statistics to the 
ePMP platform any Cambium team members lurking around this list care 
to comment?


Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

I'm old school and still use MRTG with a bunch of custom scripting I 
wrote, but you can substitute in your favorite graphing platform.ï¿½ I 
graph these parameters and they have worked well for us for a number 
of years.ï¿½ We monitor every SM in the network.


FSK - Traffic, RSSI, DBM, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
450- Traffic, DBM, SNR, V-H Ratio, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
EPMP - Traffic, MCS, DBM, TX Power, Associated to Which AP in Cluster

On 6/14/2016 10:18 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Nate,

Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor those SMs?

I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls when they
have not had internet for three days. I generally tell them I have
put them in the schedule for Monday and itï¿½s a shame they
didnï¿½t call sooner I was right by their house twice during the
week. I know I should bite my tongue but sometimes I canï¿½t help
myself. ï¿½I think a lot of the time people say its hasnï¿½t
working in days thinking it will add some level of priority to it
when in fact it just went off line a few minutes ago.

ï¿½

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

ï¿½

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

ï¿½

I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very
easy to see if they have changing signal levels, or when they
dropped out.ï¿½ Like if they slowly lose signal the entire month
of May, then you know it's trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db
one day, then it moved.ï¿½ If it just dropped offline, then power
supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when they say 'No
internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check with your Kids,
because someone has been streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days'
really is only 2 hours, but they want you to think it's worse.

On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the
450 platform I am having a few issues troubleshooting
customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450 you can log into the AP pull
up the Session Status tab and then scroll through looking at
the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and even
see the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a customer
that ï¿½hasnï¿½t has internet since Mondayï¿½ and you see they
went idle with only one session count and aï¿½ -62 at the
time. You can assume the power supply got damaged in the storm
Monday afternoon. A little on the phone support and they
verify no green light.ï¿½ On the other hand now that the
leaves are on the trees and nice and thick we can scroll
through the session counts and find customers that have been
up for 8 years that are now having issues with the tree cover.
568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in the
schedule and get out at take a look.

ï¿½

Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I
canï¿½t even find if a session is idle.ï¿½ I can find how many
SMs have registered to the AP but no specifics about which SM
it was or if all the extras are one SM , guys doing site
surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys
troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff.

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

2016-06-14 Thread Ryan Ray

I use http://www.kiwisyslog.com/

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> isnt the dude router only now no server installation?
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Jesse DuPont <
> jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote:
>
>> I've found The Dude (from MikroTik) be a decent quick and dirty syslog
>> server. You can setup log rotation, use REGEX strings to have certain log
>> entries go to different files, even receive TXT or email messages when
>> certain critical words show up log entries.
>>
>> For example, whenever an SM connects to an AP, that's getting logged to
>> an "SM Auths" log file. Likewise, PPPoE authentications are getting logged
>> to their own log file. OSPF and router logins are each their own file. That
>> leaves the default log file as the catch all. Certain OSPF events warrant a
>> text message and the Dude can do that.
>>
>> Caveat: I have seen where the dude doesn't always save all the Syslog
>> rules during reboots. I keep a screen shot of the rules as a backup. Lame,
>> I know, but I don't have to reboot it much so it's only mildly inconvenient.
>>
>> There other platforms that are more flexible. Everything you can do on
>> the Dude can be done with rsyslog on Linux, just no click GUI to set it up.
>> I'd say Splunk is maybe one of the king daddy log processors, but the fancy
>> stuff costs money.
>>
>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>
>> Network Architect
>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>> Celerity Networks LLC
>>
>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>> On 6/14/16 9:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching logs.
>> I set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple scripts.
>> Looking for something I can point the 60 billion devices we only need to
>> look at logs on once every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If
>> there is a good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh
>> kitten
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

isnt the dude router only now no server installation?

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Jesse DuPont <
jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote:

> I've found The Dude (from MikroTik) be a decent quick and dirty syslog
> server. You can setup log rotation, use REGEX strings to have certain log
> entries go to different files, even receive TXT or email messages when
> certain critical words show up log entries.
>
> For example, whenever an SM connects to an AP, that's getting logged to an
> "SM Auths" log file. Likewise, PPPoE authentications are getting logged to
> their own log file. OSPF and router logins are each their own file. That
> leaves the default log file as the catch all. Certain OSPF events warrant a
> text message and the Dude can do that.
>
> Caveat: I have seen where the dude doesn't always save all the Syslog
> rules during reboots. I keep a screen shot of the rules as a backup. Lame,
> I know, but I don't have to reboot it much so it's only mildly inconvenient.
>
> There other platforms that are more flexible. Everything you can do on the
> Dude can be done with rsyslog on Linux, just no click GUI to set it up. I'd
> say Splunk is maybe one of the king daddy log processors, but the fancy
> stuff costs money.
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 6/14/16 9:06 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching logs. I
> set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple scripts. Looking
> for something I can point the 60 billion devices we only need to look at
> logs on once every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If there is a
> good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh kitten
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] easy logging server

2016-06-14 Thread Jesse DuPont


  
  
I've found The Dude (from MikroTik) be a decent quick and dirty
  syslog server. You can setup log rotation, use REGEX strings to
  have certain log entries go to different files, even receive TXT
  or email messages when certain critical words show up log entries.
For example, whenever an SM connects to an AP, that's getting
  logged to an "SM Auths" log file. Likewise, PPPoE authentications
  are getting logged to their own log file. OSPF and router logins
  are each their own file. That leaves the default log file as the
  catch all. Certain OSPF events warrant a text message and the Dude
  can do that.

Caveat: I have seen where the dude doesn't always save all the
  Syslog rules during reboots. I keep a screen shot of the rules as
  a backup. Lame, I know, but I don't have to reboot it much so it's
  only mildly inconvenient.
There other platforms that are more flexible. Everything you can
  do on the Dude can be done with rsyslog on Linux, just no click
  GUI to set it up. I'd say Splunk is maybe one of the king daddy
  log processors, but the fancy stuff costs money.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 6/14/16 9:06 AM, That One Guy
  /sarcasm wrote:


  what is an easy server to set up and get reports
from for catching logs. I set everything on centOS and dont know
how to write simple scripts. Looking for something I can point
the 60 billion devices we only need to look at logs on once
every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If there is a
good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh
kitten


-- 

  

  If you only see yourself as
  part of the team but you don't see your team as
  part of yourself you have already failed as part
  of the team.

[AFMUG] eCommerce site

2016-06-14 Thread Travis Johnson


Hi,

I would like to get some recommendations for a large eCommerce 
hosting/processing/shipping solution for one of my companies. This is 
their entire operation, so I am looking for a company that can do the 
design of the new site, as well as the hosting and CC processing (as 
well as tie into shipping systems like UPS, etc). They also need to have 
24x7 support.


We currently use Shopify and it has been great, but we have just 
outgrown it. The company is doing $300k/month in sales (5,000 
transactions per month) and will continue to grow.


thanks,

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] tap, tap, tap Is this thing on?

2016-06-14 Thread Josh Reynolds

Now I have to look at this...

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> Anyone play the dinosaur jumping game in Chrome when you have 'No Internet
> Connection'?  I always noticed the little dinosaur, but the other day I
> accidentally hit the space bar a couple of times.  There went an hour of my
> day.
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>>
>> 602...end of transmission
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2016 2:56 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Watching Italian vs Belgium. Great match.
>>>
>>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>>> Von: Josh Reynolds 
>>> Datum: 13.06.2016 21:49 (GMT+01:00)
>>> An: af@afmug.com
>>> Betreff: [AFMUG] *tap, tap, tap* Is this thing on?
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] force 200 5ghz in stock?

2016-06-14 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

We have thousands on the way.  Probably a couple weeks out on the next tranche 
of 5GHz 200s.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Almost always, yeah, but there have been a couple of times when everywhere 
> ran out of Force 200's.
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> CTI almost always has stock IME
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>>  wrote:
>>> the vendors theyve checked with only have 180, from what our orderer says
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Mathew Howard  
 wrote:
>>> 
 Have you tried CTI and WAV? They usually have plenty...
 
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman 
>  wrote:
> Ohio Streakwave has a good bit, but it's the airshipped more expensive 
> ones =/
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>  wrote:
> 
>> which vendors have these in stock today?
>> 
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

Agree with Josh, very nice. Code has never been my strong suite but I will need 
to come up with something if we keep deploying this stuff.

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

 

It's one of those that it may not work for you, but it works for me type of 
things.  I have a Spreadsheet for every POP that I put all the site equipment 
in, UPS, Site Monitor, Backhauls, routers, etc.  Then a set of scripts read 
that file and builds the MRTG cfg File and web pages.  The script also does 
some other things, like on the 450 equipment, it calculates what the Signal 
level should be based off of the SM Distance and installed antenna 
bare/Stinger/dish and puts that in the webpage.  

On 6/14/2016 10:32 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How do you add devices to be monitored?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

I'm old school and still use MRTG with a bunch of custom scripting I wrote, but 
you can substitute in your favorite graphing platform.ï¿½ I graph these 
parameters and they have worked well for us for a number of years.ï¿½ We 
monitor every SM in the network. 

FSK - Traffic, RSSI, DBM, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
450- Traffic, DBM, SNR, V-H Ratio, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
EPMP - Traffic, MCS, DBM, TX Power, Associated to Which AP in Cluster

On 6/14/2016 10:18 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Nate,

Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor those SMs? 

I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls when they have not had 
internet for three days. I generally tell them I have put them in the schedule 
for Monday and itï¿½s a shame they didnï¿½t call sooner I was right by their 
house twice during the week. I know I should bite my tongue but sometimes I 
canï¿½t help myself. ï¿½I think a lot of the time people say its hasnï¿½t 
working in days thinking it will add some level of priority to it when in fact 
it just went off line a few minutes ago. 

ï¿½

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net

ï¿½

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

ï¿½

I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very easy to see if 
they have changing signal levels, or when they dropped out.ï¿½ Like if they 
slowly lose signal the entire month of May, then you know it's trees.ï¿½ But if 
they just lost 20db one day, then it moved.ï¿½ If it just dropped offline, then 
power supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when they say 'No internet for 
a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check with your Kids, because someone has been 
streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days' really is only 2 hours, but they want 
you to think it's worse.

On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform I am 
having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450 you can 
log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll through looking 
at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and even see the SMs that 
are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that ï¿½hasnï¿½t has internet 
since Mondayï¿½ and you see they went idle with only one session count and aï¿½ 
-62 at the time. You can assume the power supply got damaged in the storm 
Monday afternoon. A little on the phone support and they verify no green 
light.ï¿½ On the other hand now that the leaves are on the trees and nice and 
thick we can scroll through the session counts and find customers that have 
been up for 8 years that are now having issues with the tree cover. 568 session 
counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in the schedule and get out at take a 
look. 

ï¿½

Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I canï¿½t even 
find if a session is idle.ï¿½ I can find how many SMs have registered to the AP 
but no specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are one SM , guys 
doing site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys troubleshooting the 
ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff. 

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

ï¿½

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

I am kind of combining the two conversations between you and Josh at this
point but we have been using PRTG for monitoring but only at the AP and
backhaul level. On a few rate cases I have added some SMs into it for a
while but generally have not needed to.  I will have to look into some
options along these lines for monitoring at the SM level.

I know its sacrilegious to even say but we use QuickBooks for our billing
and our oldest custom base is billed quarterly. Newer customers or those
that chose to change over use ACH monthly and we just dont have much need
for a different billing system this takes very little time to manage and
works well for us. 

 

I am curious if they have any plans to add these statistics to the ePMP
platform any Cambium team members lurking around this list care to comment?

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

 

I'm old school and still use MRTG with a bunch of custom scripting I wrote,
but you can substitute in your favorite graphing platform.ï¿½ I graph these
parameters and they have worked well for us for a number of years.ï¿½ We
monitor every SM in the network. 

FSK - Traffic, RSSI, DBM, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
450- Traffic, DBM, SNR, V-H Ratio, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
EPMP - Traffic, MCS, DBM, TX Power, Associated to Which AP in Cluster

On 6/14/2016 10:18 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Nate,

Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor those SMs? 

I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls when they have not
had internet for three days. I generally tell them I have put them in the
schedule for Monday and itï¿½s a shame they didnï¿½t call sooner I was right
by their house twice during the week. I know I should bite my tongue but
sometimes I canï¿½t help myself. ï¿½I think a lot of the time people say its
hasnï¿½t working in days thinking it will add some level of priority to it
when in fact it just went off line a few minutes ago. 

ï¿½

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net

ï¿½

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

ï¿½

I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very easy to see
if they have changing signal levels, or when they dropped out.ï¿½ Like if
they slowly lose signal the entire month of May, then you know it's
trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db one day, then it moved.ï¿½ If it just
dropped offline, then power supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when
they say 'No internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check with your
Kids, because someone has been streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days'
really is only 2 hours, but they want you to think it's worse.

On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform I
am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450 you
can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll through
looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and even see
the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that ï¿½hasnï¿½t
has internet since Mondayï¿½ and you see they went idle with only one
session count and aï¿½ -62 at the time. You can assume the power supply got
damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone support and
they verify no green light.ï¿½ On the other hand now that the leaves are on
the trees and nice and thick we can scroll through the session counts and
find customers that have been up for 8 years that are now having issues with
the tree cover. 568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in the
schedule and get out at take a look. 

ï¿½

Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I canï¿½t even
find if a session is idle.ï¿½ I can find how many SMs have registered to the
AP but no specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are one SM ,
guys doing site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys
troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff. 

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

ï¿½

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] force 200 5ghz in stock?

2016-06-14 Thread Mathew Howard

Almost always, yeah, but there have been a couple of times when everywhere
ran out of Force 200's.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> CTI almost always has stock IME
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the vendors theyve checked with only have 180, from what our orderer says
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried CTI and WAV? They usually have plenty...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ohio Streakwave has a good bit, but it's the airshipped more expensive
 ones =/


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> which vendors have these in stock today?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>


>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

WOW.  That's very nice work


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> It's one of those that it may not work for you, but it works for me type
> of things.  I have a Spreadsheet for every POP that I put all the site
> equipment in, UPS, Site Monitor, Backhauls, routers, etc.  Then a set of
> scripts read that file and builds the MRTG cfg File and web pages.  The
> script also does some other things, like on the 450 equipment, it
> calculates what the Signal level should be based off of the SM Distance and
> installed antenna bare/Stinger/dish and puts that in the webpage.
>
> On 6/14/2016 10:32 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> How do you add devices to be monitored?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm old school and still use MRTG with a bunch of custom scripting I
>> wrote, but you can substitute in your favorite graphing platform.ï¿½ I
>> graph these parameters and they have worked well for us for a number of
>> years.ï¿½ We monitor every SM in the network.
>>
>> FSK - Traffic, RSSI, DBM, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
>> 450- Traffic, DBM, SNR, V-H Ratio, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
>> EPMP - Traffic, MCS, DBM, TX Power, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
>>
>> On 6/14/2016 10:18 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>>
>> Nate,
>>
>> Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor those SMs?
>>
>> I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls when they have
>> not had internet for three days. I generally tell them I have put them in
>> the schedule for Monday and itï¿½s a shame they didnï¿½t call sooner I was
>> right by their house twice during the week. I know I should bite my tongue
>> but sometimes I canï¿½t help myself. ï¿½I think a lot of the time people
>> say its hasnï¿½t working in days thinking it will add some level of
>> priority to it when in fact it just went off line a few minutes ago.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> GogebicRange.net
>>
>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very easy to
>> see if they have changing signal levels, or when they dropped out.ï¿½ Like
>> if they slowly lose signal the entire month of May, then you know it's
>> trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db one day, then it moved.ï¿½ If it just
>> dropped offline, then power supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when
>> they say 'No internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check with your
>> Kids, because someone has been streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days'
>> really is only 2 hours, but they want you to think it's worse.
>>
>> On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>>
>> Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450
>> platform I am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK
>> and 450 you can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then
>> scroll through looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power
>> levels and even see the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a
>> customer that ï¿½hasnï¿½t has internet since Mondayï¿½ and you see they
>> went idle with only one session count and aï¿½ -62 at the time. You can
>> assume the power supply got damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little
>> on the phone support and they verify no green light.ï¿½ On the other hand
>> now that the leaves are on the trees and nice and thick we can scroll
>> through the session counts and find customers that have been up for 8 years
>> that are now having issues with the tree cover. 568 session counts in 24
>> hours. Yep best put them in the schedule and get out at take a look.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I canï¿½t
>> even find if a session is idle.ï¿½ I can find how many SMs have registered
>> to the AP but no specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are
>> one SM , guys doing site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys
>> troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> GogebicRange.net
>>
>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

2016-06-14 Thread Nate Burke

It's one of those that it may not work for you, but it works for me type 
of things.  I have a Spreadsheet for every POP that I put all the site 
equipment in, UPS, Site Monitor, Backhauls, routers, etc. Then a set of 
scripts read that file and builds the MRTG cfg File and web pages.  The 
script also does some other things, like on the 450 equipment, it 
calculates what the Signal level should be based off of the SM Distance 
and installed antenna bare/Stinger/dish and puts that in the webpage.


On 6/14/2016 10:32 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How do you add devices to be monitored?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm old school and still use MRTG with a bunch of custom scripting
I wrote, but you can substitute in your favorite graphing
platform.ï¿½ I graph these parameters and they have worked well
for us for a number of years.ï¿½ We monitor every SM in the network.

FSK - Traffic, RSSI, DBM, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
450- Traffic, DBM, SNR, V-H Ratio, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
EPMP - Traffic, MCS, DBM, TX Power, Associated to Which AP in Cluster

On 6/14/2016 10:18 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


Nate,

Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor those SMs?

I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls when they
have not had internet for three days. I generally tell them I
have put them in the schedule for Monday and itï¿½s a shame they
didnï¿½t call sooner I was right by their house twice during the
week. I know I should bite my tongue but sometimes I canï¿½t help
myself. ï¿½I think a lot of the time people say its hasnï¿½t
working in days thinking it will add some level of priority to it
when in fact it just went off line a few minutes ago.

ï¿½

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

ï¿½

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

ï¿½

I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very
easy to see if they have changing signal levels, or when they
dropped out.ï¿½ Like if they slowly lose signal the entire month
of May, then you know it's trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db
one day, then it moved.ï¿½ If it just dropped offline, then power
supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when they say 'No
internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check with your
Kids, because someone has been streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2
days' really is only 2 hours, but they want you to think it's worse.

On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the
450 platform I am having a few issues troubleshooting
customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450 you can log into the AP
pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll through
looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels
and even see the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up
a customer that ï¿½hasnï¿½t has internet since Mondayï¿½ and
you see they went idle with only one session count and aï¿½
-62 at the time. You can assume the power supply got damaged
in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone support
and they verify no green light.ï¿½ On the other hand now that
the leaves are on the trees and nice and thick we can scroll
through the session counts and find customers that have been
up for 8 years that are now having issues with the tree
cover. 568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in
the schedule and get out at take a look.

ï¿½

Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP.
I canï¿½t even find if a session is idle.ï¿½ I can find how
many SMs have registered to the AP but no specifics about
which SM it was or if all the extras are one SM , guys doing
site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys
troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this
stuff.

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

ï¿½

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] force 200 5ghz in stock?

CTI almost always has stock IME


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> the vendors theyve checked with only have 180, from what our orderer says
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you tried CTI and WAV? They usually have plenty...
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ohio Streakwave has a good bit, but it's the airshipped more expensive
>>> ones =/
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 which vendors have these in stock today?

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] force 200 5ghz in stock?

the vendors theyve checked with only have 180, from what our orderer says

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Have you tried CTI and WAV? They usually have plenty...
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Ohio Streakwave has a good bit, but it's the airshipped more expensive
>> ones =/
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> which vendors have these in stock today?
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] force 200 5ghz in stock?

2016-06-14 Thread Mathew Howard

Have you tried CTI and WAV? They usually have plenty...

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Ohio Streakwave has a good bit, but it's the airshipped more expensive
> ones =/
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> which vendors have these in stock today?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-14 Thread Gino Villarini

as a SP, you want MPLS

Get Outlook for iOS




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:06 PM +0200, "Adam Moffett"  
wrote:
















I think the point is that Layer3 scales better.  
 
For something simple you can keep it simple, but as the network gets larger you 
always end up wanting Layer3 so as an ISP you might as well just start where 
you're going to end up anyway.
 
It's also safer to keep the broadcast domain small.
 
 
 
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/14/2016 10:27:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi
 




I am missing something here.  What is wrong with using a $6000 microwave as a 
piece of long CAT 5?  Point A to Point B extending your reach.  
Why complicate it with layer 3?


 

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi
 



Switch?  If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links between 
two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion. WISPs love to build layer 2 
clusterfucks because a lot of small ones start with basically no OSPF or BGP 
knowledge.


Show me a real router platform that is in common use that supports 2.5 Gbps SFP 
(not SFP+ on a rate limited port).
On Jun 11, 2016 10:29 AM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:


Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G capable 
since 2009.

 
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:


There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage array 
applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used in 
ethernet speaking routers/switches.




 
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser  
wrote:


Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, not sure 
why they did not go 10G 












 
Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
 

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model appears 
to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all three SFPs, 
and one copper gig to get it?

Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra to 
unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 2200Mbps.
Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet buffer.. 
seems low.

Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?

-c

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

How do you add devices to be monitored?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm old school and still use MRTG with a bunch of custom scripting I
> wrote, but you can substitute in your favorite graphing platform.ï¿½ I
> graph these parameters and they have worked well for us for a number of
> years.ï¿½ We monitor every SM in the network.
>
> FSK - Traffic, RSSI, DBM, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
> 450- Traffic, DBM, SNR, V-H Ratio, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
> EPMP - Traffic, MCS, DBM, TX Power, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
>
> On 6/14/2016 10:18 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor those SMs?
>
> I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls when they have not
> had internet for three days. I generally tell them I have put them in the
> schedule for Monday and itï¿½s a shame they didnï¿½t call sooner I was
> right by their house twice during the week. I know I should bite my tongue
> but sometimes I canï¿½t help myself. ï¿½I think a lot of the time people
> say its hasnï¿½t working in days thinking it will add some level of
> priority to it when in fact it just went off line a few minutes ago.
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
> ï¿½
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP
>
> ï¿½
>
> I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very easy to
> see if they have changing signal levels, or when they dropped out.ï¿½ Like
> if they slowly lose signal the entire month of May, then you know it's
> trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db one day, then it moved.ï¿½ If it just
> dropped offline, then power supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when
> they say 'No internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check with your
> Kids, because someone has been streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days'
> really is only 2 hours, but they want you to think it's worse.
>
> On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>
> Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform
> I am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450
> you can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll
> through looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and
> even see the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that
> ï¿½hasnï¿½t has internet since Mondayï¿½ and you see they went idle with
> only one session count and aï¿½ -62 at the time. You can assume the power
> supply got damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone
> support and they verify no green light.ï¿½ On the other hand now that the
> leaves are on the trees and nice and thick we can scroll through the
> session counts and find customers that have been up for 8 years that are
> now having issues with the tree cover. 568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep
> best put them in the schedule and get out at take a look.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I canï¿½t
> even find if a session is idle.ï¿½ I can find how many SMs have registered
> to the AP but no specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are
> one SM , guys doing site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys
> troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

2016-06-14 Thread Nate Burke

I'm old school and still use MRTG with a bunch of custom scripting I 
wrote, but you can substitute in your favorite graphing platform.  I 
graph these parameters and they have worked well for us for a number of 
years.  We monitor every SM in the network.


FSK - Traffic, RSSI, DBM, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
450- Traffic, DBM, SNR, V-H Ratio, Associated to Which AP in Cluster
EPMP - Traffic, MCS, DBM, TX Power, Associated to Which AP in Cluster

On 6/14/2016 10:18 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


Nate,

Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor those SMs?

I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls when they have 
not had internet for three days. I generally tell them I have put them 
in the schedule for Monday and itï¿½s a shame they didnï¿½t call sooner I 
was right by their house twice during the week. I know I should bite 
my tongue but sometimes I canï¿½t help myself.  I think a lot of the 
time people say its hasnï¿½t working in days thinking it will add some 
level of priority to it when in fact it just went off line a few 
minutes ago.


Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very easy 
to see if they have changing signal levels, or when they dropped 
out.ï¿½ Like if they slowly lose signal the entire month of May, then 
you know it's trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db one day, then it 
moved.ï¿½ If it just dropped offline, then power supply.ï¿½ Also 
monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when they say 'No internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ 
You can tell them 'Check with your Kids, because someone has been 
streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days' really is only 2 hours, but 
they want you to think it's worse.


On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450
platform I am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on
ePMP. In FSK and 450 you can log into the AP pull up the Session
Status tab and then scroll through looking at the session counts,
re-registrations, power levels and even see the SMs that are idle.
So if you are looking up a customer that ï¿½hasnï¿½t has internet
since Mondayï¿½ and you see they went idle with only one session
count and aï¿½ -62 at the time. You can assume the power supply
got damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone
support and they verify no green light.ï¿½ On the other hand now
that the leaves are on the trees and nice and thick we can scroll
through the session counts and find customers that have been up
for 8 years that are now having issues with the tree cover. 568
session counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in the schedule and
get out at take a look.

ï¿½

Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I
canï¿½t even find if a session is idle.ï¿½ I can find how many SMs
have registered to the AP but no specifics about which SM it was
or if all the extras are one SM , guys doing site surveys or a
combo of both. So how are you guys troubleshooting the ePMP
platform? I feel blind using this stuff.

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

At Powercode?  User since 2008, if you're still interested contact me
offlist and I'll make sure you're taken care of.

Are you using any software at all?  If not, you'll want to pick something
up to do SNMP.  CactiEZ would get things started, but if it were me I'd get
Powercode/VISP/Wispmon/etc to do everything once (one place for billing,
customer equipment, monitoring, etc).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Who did you ask and how loudly?  No powercode here I will have to find a
> different option.
>
>
>
> How does Ubiquiti handle this type of thing? We are 100% cambium in our
> network and only recently started in with the ePMP.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP
>
>
>
> I've asked for this stuff.  For now the signal and session are graphed in
> Powercode.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jun 14, 2016 10:25 AM, "Brandon Yuchasz" 
> wrote:
>
> Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform
> I am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450
> you can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll
> through looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and
> even see the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that
> “hasn’t has internet since Monday” and you see they went idle with only one
> session count and a  -62 at the time. You can assume the power supply got
> damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone support and
> they verify no green light.  On the other hand now that the leaves are on
> the trees and nice and thick we can scroll through the session counts and
> find customers that have been up for 8 years that are now having issues
> with the tree cover. 568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in
> the schedule and get out at take a look.
>
>
>
> So…. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I can’t even
> find if a session is idle.  I can find how many SMs have registered to the
> AP but no specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are one SM ,
> guys doing site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys
> troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

Who did you ask and how loudly?  No powercode here I will have to find a 
different option. 

 

How does Ubiquiti handle this type of thing? We are 100% cambium in our network 
and only recently started in with the ePMP. 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

 

I've asked for this stuff.  For now the signal and session are graphed in 
Powercode.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 14, 2016 10:25 AM, "Brandon Yuchasz"  wrote:

Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform I am 
having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450 you can 
log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll through looking 
at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and even see the SMs that 
are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that “hasn’t has internet since 
Monday” and you see they went idle with only one session count and a  -62 at 
the time. You can assume the power supply got damaged in the storm Monday 
afternoon. A little on the phone support and they verify no green light.  On 
the other hand now that the leaves are on the trees and nice and thick we can 
scroll through the session counts and find customers that have been up for 8 
years that are now having issues with the tree cover. 568 session counts in 24 
hours. Yep best put them in the schedule and get out at take a look. 

 

So…. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I can’t even find if 
a session is idle.  I can find how many SMs have registered to the AP but no 
specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are one SM , guys doing 
site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys troubleshooting the ePMP 
platform? I feel blind using this stuff. 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

Nate,

Can you go into a little more detail on how you monitor those SMs? 

I always get a kick out of the Saturday afternoon calls when they have not
had internet for three days. I generally tell them I have put them in the
schedule for Monday and its a shame they didnt call sooner I was right by
their house twice during the week. I know I should bite my tongue but
sometimes I cant help myself.  I think a lot of the time people say its
hasnt working in days thinking it will add some level of priority to it
when in fact it just went off line a few minutes ago. 

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

 

I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very easy to see
if they have changing signal levels, or when they dropped out.ï¿½ Like if
they slowly lose signal the entire month of May, then you know it's
trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db one day, then it moved.ï¿½ If it just
dropped offline, then power supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when
they say 'No internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check with your
Kids, because someone has been streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days'
really is only 2 hours, but they want you to think it's worse.

On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform I
am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450 you
can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll through
looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and even see
the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that ï¿½hasnï¿½t
has internet since Mondayï¿½ and you see they went idle with only one
session count and aï¿½ -62 at the time. You can assume the power supply got
damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone support and
they verify no green light.ï¿½ On the other hand now that the leaves are on
the trees and nice and thick we can scroll through the session counts and
find customers that have been up for 8 years that are now having issues with
the tree cover. 568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in the
schedule and get out at take a look. 

ï¿½

Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I canï¿½t even
find if a session is idle.ï¿½ I can find how many SMs have registered to the
AP but no specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are one SM ,
guys doing site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys
troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff. 

ï¿½

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] force 200 5ghz in stock?

Ohio Streakwave has a good bit, but it's the airshipped more expensive ones
=/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> which vendors have these in stock today?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] force 200 5ghz in stock?

2016-06-14 Thread Josh Baird

Streakwave is showing 230+ in stock.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> which vendors have these in stock today?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] tap, tap, tap Is this thing on?

Why would you do this to me


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Anyone play the dinosaur jumping game in Chrome when you have 'No Internet
> Connection'?  I always noticed the little dinosaur, but the other day I
> accidentally hit the space bar a couple of times.  There went an hour of my
> day.
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> 602...end of transmission
>> On Jun 13, 2016 2:56 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>>
>>> Watching Italian vs Belgium. Great match.
>>>
>>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>>> Von: Josh Reynolds 
>>> Datum: 13.06.2016 21:49 (GMT+01:00)
>>> An: af@afmug.com
>>> Betreff: [AFMUG] *tap, tap, tap* Is this thing on?
>>>
>>>
>

[AFMUG] force 200 5ghz in stock?

which vendors have these in stock today?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

For a better answer, Powercode does the bandwidth and such already but here
are the ePMP specific probes:

[image: Inline image 1]

With Airos 5.6+ you can get some good stuff too.  Monitoring all of these
have proved useful.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).ï¿½ Makes it very easy to
> see if they have changing signal levels, or when they dropped out.ï¿½ Like
> if they slowly lose signal the entire month of May, then you know it's
> trees.ï¿½ But if they just lost 20db one day, then it moved.ï¿½ If it just
> dropped offline, then power supply.ï¿½ Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, when
> they say 'No internet for a 2 days'ï¿½ You can tell them 'Check with your
> Kids, because someone has been streaming non stop'.ï¿½ Or the '2 days'
> really is only 2 hours, but they want you to think it's worse.
>
> On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>
> Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform
> I am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450
> you can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll
> through looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and
> even see the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that
> ï¿½hasnï¿½t has internet since Mondayï¿½ and you see they went idle with
> only one session count and aï¿½ -62 at the time. You can assume the power
> supply got damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone
> support and they verify no green light.ï¿½ On the other hand now that the
> leaves are on the trees and nice and thick we can scroll through the
> session counts and find customers that have been up for 8 years that are
> now having issues with the tree cover. 568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep
> best put them in the schedule and get out at take a look.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I canï¿½t
> even find if a session is idle.ï¿½ I can find how many SMs have registered
> to the AP but no specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are
> one SM , guys doing site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys
> troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tap, tap, tap Is this thing on?

2016-06-14 Thread Jeremy

Anyone play the dinosaur jumping game in Chrome when you have 'No Internet
Connection'?  I always noticed the little dinosaur, but the other day I
accidentally hit the space bar a couple of times.  There went an hour of my
day.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> 602...end of transmission
> On Jun 13, 2016 2:56 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>
>> Watching Italian vs Belgium. Great match.
>>
>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>> Von: Josh Reynolds 
>> Datum: 13.06.2016 21:49 (GMT+01:00)
>> An: af@afmug.com
>> Betreff: [AFMUG] *tap, tap, tap* Is this thing on?
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

2016-06-14 Thread Adam Moffett


I think the point is that Layer3 scales better.

For something simple you can keep it simple, but as the network gets 
larger you always end up wanting Layer3 so as an ISP you might as well 
just start where you're going to end up anyway.


It's also safer to keep the broadcast domain small.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/14/2016 10:27:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

I am missing something here.  What is wrong with using a $6000 
microwave as a piece of long CAT 5?  Point A to Point B extending your 
reach.

Why complicate it with layer 3?

From:Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

Switch?  If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links 
between two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion. WISPs love 
to build layer 2 clusterfucks because a lot of small ones start with 
basically no OSPF or BGP knowledge.


Show me a real router platform that is in common use that supports 2.5 
Gbps SFP (not SFP+ on a rate limited port).


On Jun 11, 2016 10:29 AM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:
Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G 
capable since 2009.


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  
wrote:
There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage 
array applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them 
used in ethernet speaking routers/switches.


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser 
 wrote:
Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps 
SFP, not sure why they did not go 10G



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
 wrote:
So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi 
model appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d 
have to use all three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?


Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay 
extra to unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max 
capacity to 2200Mbps.
Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet 
buffer.. seems low.


Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?

-c

[AFMUG] easy logging server

what is an easy server to set up and get reports from for catching logs. I
set everything on centOS and dont know how to write simple scripts. Looking
for something I can point the 60 billion devices we only need to look at
logs on once every el nino and otherwise will forget about. If there is a
good webmin based module that would just tickle me like a fresh kitten

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

2016-06-14 Thread Nate Burke

I monitor all SM's directly (FSK,450 and EPMP).  Makes it very easy to 
see if they have changing signal levels, or when they dropped out.  Like 
if they slowly lose signal the entire month of May, then you know it's 
trees.  But if they just lost 20db one day, then it moved.  If it just 
dropped offline, then power supply.  Also monitor the Sub Bandwidth, 
when they say 'No internet for a 2 days'  You can tell them 'Check with 
your Kids, because someone has been streaming non stop'.  Or the '2 
days' really is only 2 hours, but they want you to think it's worse.


On 6/14/2016 9:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 
platform I am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. 
In FSK and 450 you can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab 
and then scroll through looking at the session counts, 
re-registrations, power levels and even see the SMs that are idle. So 
if you are looking up a customer that ï¿½hasnï¿½t has internet since 
Mondayï¿½ and you see they went idle with only one session count and a 
-62 at the time. You can assume the power supply got damaged in the 
storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone support and they verify 
no green light.  On the other hand now that the leaves are on the 
trees and nice and thick we can scroll through the session counts and 
find customers that have been up for 8 years that are now having 
issues with the tree cover. 568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep best 
put them in the schedule and get out at take a look.


Soï¿½. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I canï¿½t 
even find if a session is idle. I can find how many SMs have 
registered to the AP but no specifics about which SM it was or if all 
the extras are one SM , guys doing site surveys or a combo of both. So 
how are you guys troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using 
this stuff.


Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net

Re: [AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

I've asked for this stuff.  For now the signal and session are graphed in
Powercode.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 14, 2016 10:25 AM, "Brandon Yuchasz"  wrote:

> Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform
> I am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450
> you can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll
> through looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and
> even see the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that
> “hasn’t has internet since Monday” and you see they went idle with only one
> session count and a  -62 at the time. You can assume the power supply got
> damaged in the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone support and
> they verify no green light.  On the other hand now that the leaves are on
> the trees and nice and thick we can scroll through the session counts and
> find customers that have been up for 8 years that are now having issues
> with the tree cover. 568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in
> the schedule and get out at take a look.
>
>
>
> So…. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I can’t even
> find if a session is idle.  I can find how many SMs have registered to the
> AP but no specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are one SM ,
> guys doing site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys
> troubleshooting the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

I am missing something here.  What is wrong with using a $6000 microwave as a 
piece of long CAT 5?  Point A to Point B extending your reach.  
Why complicate it with layer 3?

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

Switch?  If people do layer 2 over $6,000+ microwave for backbone links between 
two POPs, that is a really bad idea in my opinion. WISPs love to build layer 2 
clusterfucks because a lot of small ones start with basically no OSPF or BGP 
knowledge.

Show me a real router platform that is in common use that supports 2.5 Gbps SFP 
(not SFP+ on a rate limited port).

On Jun 11, 2016 10:29 AM, "Jon Auer"  wrote:

  Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G 
capable since 2009.

  On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage array 
applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used in 
ethernet speaking routers/switches.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser  
wrote:

  Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, not 
sure why they did not go 10G 

  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291

  On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  
wrote:

So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model 
appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all 
three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?

Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra 
to unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 2200Mbps.
Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet 
buffer.. seems low.

Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?

-c

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT 900 channels

External attenuators inline with the yagi cable will do the trick.  Try 40 dB 
or 60 dB.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/N-attenuator-N-male-to-N-female-connector-adapter-30-dB-2W-US-Stock-Fast-Ship-/111548631490?hash=item19f8d109c2:g:9kwAAOSw2XFUje1R

Lots of places can ship these overnight.

With a handheld receiver and a vertical rubber duck antenna, you can put it 
against your body, wrap your hand around the antenna and rotate your body to 
see where the signal direction is the strongest.  Local hams love to do a 
transmitter hunt.  The actually organize these events for fun.  Find one and 
they will find it for  you.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT 900 channels

Had a friend at the dispatch company stop by and let us use an Anritsu. It's a 
very high power signal at 911.5. And it's very narrow, either 1 or 10khz. Maybe 
5. I'm tired. On the street with a little 10dBi M2 yagi, we couldn't add enough 
attenuation to get it to stop overloading even the analyzer. At least we have a 
general idea where it's coming from. But obviously it's overloading the front 
end on our Canopy AP, which is at 150' and probably two blocks away. I doubt 
it's anything amateur. This is retarded. I fucking hate 900!

Some googling says 911.5 could be a transponder, locator, HID kinda thing. But 
it popped up on Saturday at at 1:30 in the afternoon. It was also 101 degrees 
outside then. I have to wonder if there's a power co transformer or a line 
spitting out crap somewhere like a spark-gap transmitter.


On 6/13/2016 7:27 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

  I imagine it could be stronger than that.  Looks like the scale stops at -35


  Sean Heskett wrote:

whatever it is, it has to be right on the same site as you or aimed right 
at you since it's at a -35 :-/

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

  Thanks. Not sure why I didn't find that.

  Not sure what this is, but it sucks. We were on 912 and someone decided 
to get right on top of us. Now we're at 923 and I can keep only one customer 
registered (because he's at -45). Looks like we're going to have to abandon 900 
at this site.




  On 6/13/2016 3:30 PM, Micah Miller wrote:

I believe that this will answer your question:
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Wireless-Networking/Ubiquiti-900-Mhz-frequencies/td-p/454763

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Anybody know offhand what the carrier frequencies are for the UBNT M900 at
the various channel widths. Is 911 one of them?

[AFMUG] Session Counts in ePMP

Since I came from a FSK background and then started in on the 450 platform I
am having a few issues troubleshooting customers on ePMP. In FSK and 450 you
can log into the AP pull up the Session Status tab and then scroll through
looking at the session counts, re-registrations, power levels and even see
the SMs that are idle. So if you are looking up a customer that "hasn't has
internet since Monday" and you see they went idle with only one session
count and a  -62 at the time. You can assume the power supply got damaged in
the storm Monday afternoon. A little on the phone support and they verify no
green light.  On the other hand now that the leaves are on the trees and
nice and thick we can scroll through the session counts and find customers
that have been up for 8 years that are now having issues with the tree
cover. 568 session counts in 24 hours. Yep best put them in the schedule and
get out at take a look. 

 

So.. Where the heck do I find similar information in ePMP. I can't even find
if a session is idle.  I can find how many SMs have registered to the AP but
no specifics about which SM it was or if all the extras are one SM , guys
doing site surveys or a combo of both. So how are you guys troubleshooting
the ePMP platform? I feel blind using this stuff. 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

  www.gogebicrange.net

Re: [AFMUG] Peukert Number

2016-06-14 Thread can...@believewireless.net

Call Alpha and ask them. Their tech support is great and very helpful.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Oh the stuff that one guy in the alley had on a Tuesday night.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:54 AM, David  wrote:
>
>> What the heck are u smokin ... Must be some good stuff LOL
>> I think ur confusing series and parallel circuits???
>>
>>
>> On 06/13/2016 05:31 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> If you wire 4 batteries in series that's 12v =)
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:27 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>>> Does not compute. If he's running four 75ah batteries in series to get a
>>> 48VDC battery, then he gets 75Ah.
>>>
>>> On 6/13/2016 5:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh you're complicating the question...I think.
>>>
>>> The capacity from one 75ah is simply quadrupled in your case.  You have
>>> 300ah.  When you add another (identical) battery you're adding
>>> capacity/runtime linearly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, the Alpha will calculate this, but I need to know how to
 calculate Peukerts Number.

 Or if I’m just running a simple series of four 12v for 48  volts is 1.1
 just the default I should use?

 Do I add up all the four 75ah ratings per battery and use that as the
 rated battery capacity number at 300ah?

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 4:20 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Peukert Number

 Peukert's formula, T = C / In (or C = T * In), where C is theoretical
 capacity (in amp-hours, equal to actual capacity at one amp), I is current
 (in amps), T is time (in hours), and n is the Peukert number for the
 battery.

 http://www.csgnetwork.com/batterylifecalc.html

 This?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
 sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

 Been reviewing my site capacity/UPS/Batteries.

 Our Alpha's have a Peukert Number to help identify and tweak capacity
 in remaining amp hours.

 Can someone give me the short of this calculation?

 That is, if I have four 12v batteries run in series that are 75AH each?

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT 900 channels

2016-06-14 Thread Matt Corcoran

With signal levels that hot,  seams like it wouldn’t be too difficult to find 
the source walking around with a yagi and ubnt or canopy SM.

From: Af  on behalf of George Skorup 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, June 13, 2016 at 11:43 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT 900 channels

Yep, I know. Could be anything. This signal is very hot though. We've seen baby 
monitors and cordless phones go bad and start spewing all kinds of crap over 
the years.

And remember, Canopy 900 FSK is listening on an 8MHz wide channel. That's why 
it looks so bad. And like I said, it's obviously overload the receiver. 
Whatever it is, it's more than 36dBm EIRP. And there *are* licensed users in 
the 902-928 band, besides even amateurs.

There's public water meters in town, but it's not usually very chatty. They're 
still on the sleepy meters where they drive around and wake them up to read 
them. And that's on a fixed channel at 915.5.

There's also Commonwealth Edison rolling out smart meters. They're installing 
them now. All FHSS. No repeaters up yet. Mesh is not activated yet. Next year 
they say.

Did I mention that I hate 900? Only gonna get worse.
On 6/13/2016 10:26 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Yikes...
https://fccid.io/frequency-explorer.php?lower=911.5=913.5
On Jun 13, 2016 9:22 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:

911.5 is used by some railroad companies for Transponders...
On Jun 13, 2016 9:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:

On your graph it is much wider than what you are statinghow was the 
aniritsu set up?   Did you try listening to signal?   You can find allot of 
issues that wayeven cellular sites can bleed into 900 MHz band..GTE was 
notorious for it... -35dB at 2 blocks? Where is this?  City, rural?
On Jun 13, 2016 8:59 PM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
Had a friend at the dispatch company stop by and let us use an Anritsu. It's a 
very high power signal at 911.5. And it's very narrow, either 1 or 10khz. Maybe 
5. I'm tired. On the street with a little 10dBi M2 yagi, we couldn't add enough 
attenuation to get it to stop overloading even the analyzer. At least we have a 
general idea where it's coming from. But obviously it's overloading the front 
end on our Canopy AP, which is at 150' and probably two blocks away. I doubt 
it's anything amateur. This is retarded. I fucking hate 900!

Some googling says 911.5 could be a transponder, locator, HID kinda thing. But 
it popped up on Saturday at at 1:30 in the afternoon. It was also 101 degrees 
outside then. I have to wonder if there's a power co transformer or a line 
spitting out crap somewhere like a spark-gap transmitter.
On 6/13/2016 7:27 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I imagine it could be stronger than that.  Looks like the scale stops at -35
Sean Heskett wrote:
whatever it is, it has to be right on the same site as you or aimed right at 
you since it's at a -35 :-/

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
Thanks. Not sure why I didn't find that.

Not sure what this is, but it sucks. We were on 912 and someone decided to get 
right on top of us. Now we're at 923 and I can keep only one customer 
registered (because he's at -45). Looks like we're going to have to abandon 900 
at this site.

[cid:image001.png@01D1C61C.08C3AB00]
On 6/13/2016 3:30 PM, Micah Miller wrote:

I believe that this will answer your question:

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Wireless-Networking/Ubiquiti-900-Mhz-frequencies/td-p/454763

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:

Anybody know offhand what the carrier frequencies are for the UBNT M900 at

the various channel widths. Is 911 one of them?

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT 900 channels

2016-06-14 Thread David

Thats looks to be hot enough to be on same tower or location as your AP

On 06/13/2016 10:43 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Yep, I know. Could be anything. This signal is very hot though. We've
seen baby monitors and cordless phones go bad and start spewing all
kinds of crap over the years.

And remember, Canopy 900 FSK is listening on an 8MHz wide channel.
That's why it looks so bad. And like I said, it's obviously overload
the receiver. Whatever it is, it's more than 36dBm EIRP. And there
*are* licensed users in the 902-928 band, besides even amateurs.

There's public water meters in town, but it's not usually very chatty.
They're still on the sleepy meters where they drive around and wake
them up to read them. And that's on a fixed channel at 915.5.

There's also Commonwealth Edison rolling out smart meters. They're
installing them now. All FHSS. No repeaters up yet. Mesh is not
activated yet. Next year they say.

Did I mention that I hate 900? Only gonna get worse.

On 6/13/2016 10:26 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Yikes...
https://fccid.io/frequency-explorer.php?lower=911.5=913.5

On Jun 13, 2016 9:22 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:

911.5 is used by some railroad companies for Transponders...

On Jun 13, 2016 9:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
> wrote:

On your graph it is much wider than what you are
statinghow was the aniritsu set up? Did you try
listening to signal? You can find allot of issues that
wayeven cellular sites can bleed into 900 MHz band..GTE
was notorious for it... -35dB at 2 blocks? Where is this?
City, rural?

On Jun 13, 2016 8:59 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:

Had a friend at the dispatch company stop by and let us
use an Anritsu. It's a very high power signal at 911.5.
And it's very narrow, either 1 or 10khz. Maybe 5. I'm
tired. On the street with a little 10dBi M2 yagi, we
couldn't add enough attenuation to get it to stop
overloading even the analyzer. At least we have a general
idea where it's coming from. But obviously it's
overloading the front end on our Canopy AP, which is at
150' and probably two blocks away. I doubt it's anything
amateur. This is retarded. I fucking hate 900!

Some googling says 911.5 could be a transponder, locator,
HID kinda thing. But it popped up on Saturday at at 1:30
in the afternoon. It was also 101 degrees outside then. I
have to wonder if there's a power co transformer or a
line spitting out crap somewhere like a spark-gap
transmitter.

On 6/13/2016 7:27 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I imagine it could be stronger than that. Looks like
the scale stops at -35

Sean Heskett wrote:

whatever it is, it has to be right on the same site as
you or aimed right at you since it's at a -35 :-/

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, George Skorup
wrote:

Thanks. Not sure why I didn't find that.

Not sure what this is, but it sucks. We were on 912
and someone decided to get right on top of us. Now
we're at 923 and I can keep only one customer
registered (because he's at -45). Looks like we're
going to have to abandon 900 at this site.

On 6/13/2016 3:30 PM, Micah Miller wrote:

I believe that this will answer your question:

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Wireless-Networking/Ubiquiti-900-Mhz-frequencies/td-p/454763

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, George Skorup
wrote:

Anybody know offhand what the carrier frequencies are for the
UBNT M900 at
the various channel widths. Is 911 one of them?

Re: [AFMUG] Peukert Number