date:20170721

this are gig e sfp we are having issues with but ive read about fiber sfp
on mikrotik too, as we push more bandwith inward and replace the rb with
ccr 1072s its just not worth the issues, HP procurve is non problematic
plus it gives us options

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> What kind of SFP problem?  We haven’t had anything major, been using the
> FS.com SFPs,
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 9:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik
> router needed
>
>
>
> given the issues weve been having with mikrotik sfp, and Ethernet. we
> decided yesterday a procurve is going between. we will just vlan the ports
> in the procurve.
>
> I like the 1810G and the rb1100ahx2 in a vertical 4U rack for our small
> enclosures and a racket 12u in our tall enclosures
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> And yes, a 48 to 24 little device thingy is required, guess you can’t
> everything
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 5:09 PM
> *To:* af 
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik
> router needed
>
>
>
> Yeah... that would be really nice. I think the only Mikrotik routers that
> currently support a decent voltage range are some of the CCRs and the hEX
> POE... which isn't bad, but only 5 ethernet ports. Oh, there is at least
> one CRS that supports 57v, but it's CPU is kind of underpowered for using
> as a real router (it's similar to the 2011 if I remember correctly).
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:46 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> If it only supported 10-60VDC. I hate having to add a DC-DC converter for
> one damn device.
>
> On 7/21/2017 3:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Yup, RB3011 is what you want.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Yep, don’t why I didn’t think of that.  The 3011 will fit the bill nicely
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 1:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik
> router needed
>
>
>
> RB3011. Fast, stable (once you upgrade past earlt factory firmware that
> had packet loss bug), $170.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have
> the router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The only
> thing we really have at the bottom that plugs into the router (other than
> Fiber) is a SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)
>
>
>
> So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already
> there and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 600Mhz
> MIPS 74Kc V4.12.
>
> I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up to a
> $ 380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  In each
> case, these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60%
> CPU.  The use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius)
> and very basic Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports to
> our internal office subnet.
>
>
>
> But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had any
> ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but not seeing
> a cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper port.  There
> is the Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that would be
> the tipping point that we need long term.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions>
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sturdy bracket

Everyone is a comedian tonight...wait till I post pictures of what I am
enjoying this fine evening...

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 21, 2017 8:08 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:

> And the yellow hurricane strap lol
>
> On 7/21/2017 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> It is tornado hold down for the building.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 2:48 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sturdy bracket
>
> We custom made this bracket.  Tower base is secured with 5 inch concrete
> anchor.  Spent two hours on tower...solid all the way... AF5X with 30dB
> dish.  Bracket is attached to I-Beam with three thread rods ..
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

What kind of SFP problem?  We haven’t had anything major, been using the FS.com 
SFPs,

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router 
needed

given the issues weve been having with mikrotik sfp, and Ethernet. we decided 
yesterday a procurve is going between. we will just vlan the ports in the 
procurve.
I like the 1810G and the rb1100ahx2 in a vertical 4U rack for our small 
enclosures and a racket 12u in our tall enclosures

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
And yes, a 48 to 24 little device thingy is required, guess you can’t everything

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:09 PM
To: af >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router 
needed

Yeah... that would be really nice. I think the only Mikrotik routers that 
currently support a decent voltage range are some of the CCRs and the hEX 
POE... which isn't bad, but only 5 ethernet ports. Oh, there is at least one 
CRS that supports 57v, but it's CPU is kind of underpowered for using as a real 
router (it's similar to the 2011 if I remember correctly).

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:46 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
If it only supported 10-60VDC. I hate having to add a DC-DC converter for one 
damn device.
On 7/21/2017 3:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yup, RB3011 is what you want.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Yep, don’t why I didn’t think of that.  The 3011 will fit the bill nicely

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router 
needed

RB3011. Fast, stable (once you upgrade past earlt factory firmware that had 
packet loss bug), $170.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have the 
router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The only thing we 
really have at the bottom that plugs into the router (other than Fiber) is a 
SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)

So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already there 
and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 600Mhz MIPS 74Kc 
V4.12.
I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up to a $ 
380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  In each case, 
these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60% CPU.  The 
use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius) and very basic 
Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports to our internal office 
subnet.

But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had any 
ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but not seeing a 
cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper port.  There is the 
Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that would be the tipping 
point that we need long term.

Any suggestions>

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Sturdy bracket

2017-07-21 Thread Mitch Koep


And the yellow hurricane strap lol


On 7/21/2017 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It is tornado hold down for the building.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 2:48 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Sturdy bracket
We custom made this bracket.  Tower base is secured with 5 inch 
concrete anchor.  Spent two hours on tower...solid all the way... AF5X 
with 30dB dish.  Bracket is attached to I-Beam with three thread rods ..


Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

given the issues weve been having with mikrotik sfp, and Ethernet. we
decided yesterday a procurve is going between. we will just vlan the ports
in the procurve.
I like the 1810G and the rb1100ahx2 in a vertical 4U rack for our small
enclosures and a racket 12u in our tall enclosures

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> And yes, a 48 to 24 little device thingy is required, guess you can’t
> everything
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 5:09 PM
> *To:* af 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik
> router needed
>
>
>
> Yeah... that would be really nice. I think the only Mikrotik routers that
> currently support a decent voltage range are some of the CCRs and the hEX
> POE... which isn't bad, but only 5 ethernet ports. Oh, there is at least
> one CRS that supports 57v, but it's CPU is kind of underpowered for using
> as a real router (it's similar to the 2011 if I remember correctly).
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:46 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> If it only supported 10-60VDC. I hate having to add a DC-DC converter for
> one damn device.
>
> On 7/21/2017 3:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Yup, RB3011 is what you want.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Yep, don’t why I didn’t think of that.  The 3011 will fit the bill nicely
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 1:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik
> router needed
>
>
>
> RB3011. Fast, stable (once you upgrade past earlt factory firmware that
> had packet loss bug), $170.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have
> the router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The only
> thing we really have at the bottom that plugs into the router (other than
> Fiber) is a SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)
>
>
>
> So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already
> there and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 600Mhz
> MIPS 74Kc V4.12.
>
> I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up to a
> $ 380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  In each
> case, these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60%
> CPU.  The use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius)
> and very basic Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports to
> our internal office subnet.
>
>
>
> But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had any
> ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but not seeing
> a cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper port.  There
> is the Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that would be
> the tipping point that we need long term.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions>
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Be careful with 3650 (was CBRS in trouble)

I rode thatr magic pony for about ten minutes, then I put a ubnt by a 320
not on the same channel at all and watched the destruction

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> It’s “magic” in that LTE is very good when interference is very low - as
> it often is when you have complete control of the frequency like a cell
> carrier does.   The noise floor at the CPE buried in trees isn’t likely to
> increase greatly as others move into CBRS, but the noise floor at the AP is
> likely to reach the point that you will never hear the return path from
> NLOS clients (or even LOS clients with poor signals).
>
> Mark
>
> > On Jul 21, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> >
> > On 7/21/17 13:49, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> >> I’m very concerned that many of you are installing NLOS services and
> counting on being able to continue to provide service use extremely low
> signal levels.   I routinely see posts of people installing LTE customers
> at very low signal levels.  This is not going to continue to work well when
> the base station is faced with significant noise.
> >
> >
> > Generally speaking, it seems like a lot of people came to believe that
> the 3.65 band was a magical "NLOS band".
> >
> > ~Seth
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

And yes, a 48 to 24 little device thingy is required, guess you can’t everything

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:09 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router 
needed

Yeah... that would be really nice. I think the only Mikrotik routers that 
currently support a decent voltage range are some of the CCRs and the hEX 
POE... which isn't bad, but only 5 ethernet ports. Oh, there is at least one 
CRS that supports 57v, but it's CPU is kind of underpowered for using as a real 
router (it's similar to the 2011 if I remember correctly).

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:46 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
If it only supported 10-60VDC. I hate having to add a DC-DC converter for one 
damn device.
On 7/21/2017 3:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yup, RB3011 is what you want.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Yep, don’t why I didn’t think of that.  The 3011 will fit the bill nicely

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router 
needed

RB3011. Fast, stable (once you upgrade past earlt factory firmware that had 
packet loss bug), $170.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have the 
router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The only thing we 
really have at the bottom that plugs into the router (other than Fiber) is a 
SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)

So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already there 
and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 600Mhz MIPS 74Kc 
V4.12.
I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up to a $ 
380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  In each case, 
these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60% CPU.  The 
use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius) and very basic 
Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports to our internal office 
subnet.

But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had any 
ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but not seeing a 
cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper port.  There is the 
Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that would be the tipping 
point that we need long term.

Any suggestions>

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

2017-07-21 Thread Josh Reynolds

Micro. Pops.

That's where the distributed low cost APs make sense (where you can of
course).

On Jul 21, 2017 4:02 PM, "Joe Falaschi"  wrote:

> What Chris said.
>
> Our 450Ms have been a huge game changer for us.  We have a tower with 300
> people on it, pretty much all on one side (180 degrees is busy and the
> other 180 degrees is pretty silent).  In the past we’d add an AP to offload
> capacity and that AP was used up day one.  There just wasn’t a path to
> catch up with demand much less start to offer faster speeds.  If there is
> any kind of density, greater than 100+ clients on the tower, I’m not sure
> how you use anything other than 450m at this point.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
> ePMP might make sense to build in a new area, but when you have 100+
> clients in a single 90 degree sector, replacing your triple-stacked PMP450
> APs with a single 450M, saving 40MHz of spectrum, offering faster speeds,
> AND not having to swap 100+ radios feels mighty nice.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>
> I've had ePMP's do some weird things here and there, like refusing to
> reboot or accept config changes.  Nothing a power cycle didn't fix.
> I've had to power cycle a PMP100 or 450 to fix a problem approximately
> zero times.
>
> I know a neighbor who had a tower hit by lightning an ePMP and a Ubiquiti
> Rocket died while the PMP100 and 430 stuff kept on chugging (he didn't have
> 450 there yet).
>
> 450 has a few management conveniences like remote spectrum analyzer, RF
> private IP, and SM proxy access via AP.
>
> So overall my experiences say the 450 is better than the ePMP, but I still
> use a lot of ePMP for all the reasons others have stated.  ePMP is good
> bang for the buck.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: 7/18/2017 10:23:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>
>
> It seems to me (as someone who hasn't actually used PMP450 to speak of,
> other than 900mhz), that PMP450 has some advantages for high density
> deployments... particularly if you're talking 450m, or even the ability to
> easily upgrade to 450m. But in a network like ours, where the average SMs
> per AP is somewhere around 15, I just can't see any way that it could
> possibly be worth going with 450 over ePMP.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> The PMP450M can make ~~ 12° sectors. On a busy tower, and surrounded by
> noisy neighbors, we're often seeing 30 dBm SNR. Nothing else comes close.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 7/17/2017 10:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Serious question, not my usual sarcasm, how are you 450 folks justifying
> the substantial proce difference between 450 and epmp, seriously, if you
> dont freeze in the winter, i couldnt justify it. Granted we dont sellbover
> 12\2 and we dont have more than 40 per ap, i just dont see the value, they
> did too good a job on epmp
>
> On Jul 3, 2017 12:10 PM, "Craig Schmaderer" 
> wrote:
> I have never seen more than around 55mbps on 450sm in bridge mode with any
> firmware.  Maybe I missed a 14.x that it did, but I haven't seen more than
> 55mbps on any 15.x firmware. I am working on a bug with then on 15.1 where
> it looks like the qos speed limiters are not enforcing speed settings.  I
> have never tried a 450i sm but I would assume those work fine, I have many
> 450i PTP that work great.
>
> --
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 3, 2017 8:38:49 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>
> The original 450 hardware will max out at around 70mbps TCP. Even if you
> have no traffic on it that is the limitation. I don't remember which
> firmware it was but the 14.0 something sounds right and I have personally
> gotten the 70mbps to a SM on a AP with 3 clients.
>
> Now the 450i AP basically the 70mbps cap is gone and you can get whatever
> the link tests show (as long as your testing to an 450i SM). I
> have two customers with 450i SM on a 450i AP and have seen well over
> 125mbps TCP easy. Now that same AP talking to older 450SM's those SM's can
> still only get 70mbps max.
>
> So basically what you need to do is put the 450i AP up where you need to
> total AP capacity of more than 50-60mbps and then only use the 450i SM on
> the clients that need more than the 50-70mbps.
>
> I have not tested speeds since I upgraded firmware to 15.1 so if a bug was
> recently introduced I know nothing of it.
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 7:51 PM, George Skorup

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

2017-07-21 Thread Joe Falaschi

We’ll see 30M speedtests to individual CPE and 140Mbps aggregate AP throughput 
at peak.  All of our plans are less than 15Mbps at the moment with many 
customers on 6M plans, but we plan to change that soon.  For us at the moment 
it’s not so much about showing a 100+ meg speed test to one client using an 
80MHz channel but delivering lots of 25M or less plans to clients.  Larger 
channels later in the year should help add capacity as well as raw speed.

Joe


> On Jul 21, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> 
> Joe, what throughput are you getting on those loaded 450M APs?
> 
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Joe Falaschi  > wrote:
> What Chris said.
> 
> Our 450Ms have been a huge game changer for us.  We have a tower with 300 
> people on it, pretty much all on one side (180 degrees is busy and the other 
> 180 degrees is pretty silent).  In the past we’d add an AP to offload 
> capacity and that AP was used up day one.  There just wasn’t a path to catch 
> up with demand much less start to offer faster speeds.  If there is any kind 
> of density, greater than 100+ clients on the tower, I’m not sure how you use 
> anything other than 450m at this point.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Chris Wright > > wrote:
>> 
>> ePMP might make sense to build in a new area, but when you have 100+ clients 
>> in a single 90 degree sector, replacing your triple-stacked PMP450 APs with 
>> a single 450M, saving 40MHz of spectrum, offering faster speeds, AND not 
>> having to swap 100+ radios feels mighty nice.
>>  
>> Chris Wright
>> Network Administrator
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>>  
>> I've had ePMP's do some weird things here and there, like refusing to reboot 
>> or accept config changes.  Nothing a power cycle didn't fix.
>> I've had to power cycle a PMP100 or 450 to fix a problem approximately zero 
>> times.
>>  
>> I know a neighbor who had a tower hit by lightning an ePMP and a Ubiquiti 
>> Rocket died while the PMP100 and 430 stuff kept on chugging (he didn't have 
>> 450 there yet).
>>  
>> 450 has a few management conveniences like remote spectrum analyzer, RF 
>> private IP, and SM proxy access via AP.
>>  
>> So overall my experiences say the 450 is better than the ePMP, but I still 
>> use a lot of ePMP for all the reasons others have stated.  ePMP is good bang 
>> for the buck.
>>  
>> -Adam
>>  
>>  
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mathew Howard" >
>> To: "af" >
>> Sent: 7/18/2017 10:23:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>>  
>>> It seems to me (as someone who hasn't actually used PMP450 to speak of, 
>>> other than 900mhz), that PMP450 has some advantages for high density 
>>> deployments... particularly if you're talking 450m, or even the ability to 
>>> easily upgrade to 450m. But in a network like ours, where the average SMs 
>>> per AP is somewhere around 15, I just can't see any way that it could 
>>> possibly be worth going with 450 over ePMP. 
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Bill Prince >> > wrote:
>>> The PMP450M can make ~~ 12° sectors. On a busy tower, and surrounded by 
>>> noisy neighbors, we're often seeing 30 dBm SNR. Nothing else comes close.
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 7/17/2017 10:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
 Serious question, not my usual sarcasm, how are you 450 folks justifying 
 the substantial proce difference between 450 and epmp, seriously, if you 
 dont freeze in the winter, i couldnt justify it. Granted we dont sellbover 
 12\2 and we dont have more than 40 per ap, i just dont see the value, they 
 did too good a job on epmp
  
 On Jul 3, 2017 12:10 PM, "Craig Schmaderer" > wrote:
 I have never seen more than around 55mbps on 450sm in bridge mode with any 
 firmware.  Maybe I missed a 14.x that it did, but I haven't seen more than 
 55mbps on any 15.x firmware. I am working on a bug with then on 15.1 where 
 it looks like the qos speed limiters are not enforcing speed settings.  I 
 have never tried a 450i sm but I would assume those work fine, I have many 
 450i PTP that work great. 
  
 From: Af > on behalf of 
 Kurt Fankhauser >
 Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:38:49 AM 
 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
  
 The original 450

Re: [AFMUG] Be careful with 3650 (was CBRS in trouble)

2017-07-21 Thread Mark Radabaugh

It’s “magic” in that LTE is very good when interference is very low - as it 
often is when you have complete control of the frequency like a cell carrier 
does.   The noise floor at the CPE buried in trees isn’t likely to increase 
greatly as others move into CBRS, but the noise floor at the AP is likely to 
reach the point that you will never hear the return path from NLOS clients (or 
even LOS clients with poor signals).  

Mark

> On Jul 21, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 7/21/17 13:49, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> I’m very concerned that many of you are installing NLOS services and 
>> counting on being able to continue to provide service use extremely low 
>> signal levels.   I routinely see posts of people installing LTE customers at 
>> very low signal levels.  This is not going to continue to work well when the 
>> base station is faced with significant noise.
> 
> 
> Generally speaking, it seems like a lot of people came to believe that the 
> 3.65 band was a magical "NLOS band".
> 
> ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Be careful with 3650 (was CBRS in trouble)

2017-07-21 Thread Eric Muehleisen

It was before the noise came

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 7/21/17 13:49, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
>>
>> I’m very concerned that many of you are installing NLOS services and
>> counting on being able to continue to provide service use extremely low
>> signal levels.   I routinely see posts of people installing LTE customers
>> at very low signal levels.  This is not going to continue to work well when
>> the base station is faced with significant noise.
>>
>>
>
> Generally speaking, it seems like a lot of people came to believe that the
> 3.65 band was a magical "NLOS band".
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Be careful with 3650 (was CBRS in trouble)

2017-07-21 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 7/21/17 13:49, Mark Radabaugh wrote:


I’m very concerned that many of you are installing NLOS services and 
counting on being able to continue to provide service use extremely low 
signal levels.   I routinely see posts of people installing LTE 
customers at very low signal levels.  This is not going to continue to 
work well when the base station is faced with significant noise.





Generally speaking, it seems like a lot of people came to believe that 
the 3.65 band was a magical "NLOS band".


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

2017-07-21 Thread Colin Stanners

Joe, what throughput are you getting on those loaded 450M APs?

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Joe Falaschi  wrote:

> What Chris said.
>
> Our 450Ms have been a huge game changer for us.  We have a tower with 300
> people on it, pretty much all on one side (180 degrees is busy and the
> other 180 degrees is pretty silent).  In the past we’d add an AP to offload
> capacity and that AP was used up day one.  There just wasn’t a path to
> catch up with demand much less start to offer faster speeds.  If there is
> any kind of density, greater than 100+ clients on the tower, I’m not sure
> how you use anything other than 450m at this point.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
> ePMP might make sense to build in a new area, but when you have 100+
> clients in a single 90 degree sector, replacing your triple-stacked PMP450
> APs with a single 450M, saving 40MHz of spectrum, offering faster speeds,
> AND not having to swap 100+ radios feels mighty nice.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>
> I've had ePMP's do some weird things here and there, like refusing to
> reboot or accept config changes.  Nothing a power cycle didn't fix.
> I've had to power cycle a PMP100 or 450 to fix a problem approximately
> zero times.
>
> I know a neighbor who had a tower hit by lightning an ePMP and a Ubiquiti
> Rocket died while the PMP100 and 430 stuff kept on chugging (he didn't have
> 450 there yet).
>
> 450 has a few management conveniences like remote spectrum analyzer, RF
> private IP, and SM proxy access via AP.
>
> So overall my experiences say the 450 is better than the ePMP, but I still
> use a lot of ePMP for all the reasons others have stated.  ePMP is good
> bang for the buck.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: 7/18/2017 10:23:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>
>
> It seems to me (as someone who hasn't actually used PMP450 to speak of,
> other than 900mhz), that PMP450 has some advantages for high density
> deployments... particularly if you're talking 450m, or even the ability to
> easily upgrade to 450m. But in a network like ours, where the average SMs
> per AP is somewhere around 15, I just can't see any way that it could
> possibly be worth going with 450 over ePMP.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> The PMP450M can make ~~ 12° sectors. On a busy tower, and surrounded by
> noisy neighbors, we're often seeing 30 dBm SNR. Nothing else comes close.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 7/17/2017 10:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Serious question, not my usual sarcasm, how are you 450 folks justifying
> the substantial proce difference between 450 and epmp, seriously, if you
> dont freeze in the winter, i couldnt justify it. Granted we dont sellbover
> 12\2 and we dont have more than 40 per ap, i just dont see the value, they
> did too good a job on epmp
>
> On Jul 3, 2017 12:10 PM, "Craig Schmaderer" 
> wrote:
> I have never seen more than around 55mbps on 450sm in bridge mode with any
> firmware.  Maybe I missed a 14.x that it did, but I haven't seen more than
> 55mbps on any 15.x firmware. I am working on a bug with then on 15.1 where
> it looks like the qos speed limiters are not enforcing speed settings.  I
> have never tried a 450i sm but I would assume those work fine, I have many
> 450i PTP that work great.
>
> --
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 3, 2017 8:38:49 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>
> The original 450 hardware will max out at around 70mbps TCP. Even if you
> have no traffic on it that is the limitation. I don't remember which
> firmware it was but the 14.0 something sounds right and I have personally
> gotten the 70mbps to a SM on a AP with 3 clients.
>
> Now the 450i AP basically the 70mbps cap is gone and you can get whatever
> the link tests show (as long as your testing to an 450i SM). I
> have two customers with 450i SM on a 450i AP and have seen well over
> 125mbps TCP easy. Now that same AP talking to older 450SM's those SM's can
> still only get 70mbps max.
>
> So basically what you need to do is put the 450i AP up where you need to
> total AP capacity of more than 50-60mbps and then only use the 450i SM on
> the clients that need more than the 50-70mbps.
>
> I have not tested speeds since I upgraded firmware to 15.1 so if a bug was
> recently introduced I know nothing of it.
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 7:51 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> Aaron

Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

Yeah... that would be really nice. I think the only Mikrotik routers that
currently support a decent voltage range are some of the CCRs and the hEX
POE... which isn't bad, but only 5 ethernet ports. Oh, there is at least
one CRS that supports 57v, but it's CPU is kind of underpowered for using
as a real router (it's similar to the 2011 if I remember correctly).

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:46 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> If it only supported 10-60VDC. I hate having to add a DC-DC converter for
> one damn device.
>
> On 7/21/2017 3:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Yup, RB3011 is what you want.
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Yep, don’t why I didn’t think of that.  The 3011 will fit the bill nicely
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 1:36 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik
>> router needed
>>
>>
>>
>> RB3011. Fast, stable (once you upgrade past earlt factory firmware that
>> had packet loss bug), $170.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have
>> the router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The only
>> thing we really have at the bottom that plugs into the router (other than
>> Fiber) is a SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)
>>
>>
>>
>> So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already
>> there and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 600Mhz
>> MIPS 74Kc V4.12.
>>
>> I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up to
>> a $ 380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  In each
>> case, these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60%
>> CPU.  The use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius)
>> and very basic Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports to
>> our internal office subnet.
>>
>>
>>
>> But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had
>> any ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but not
>> seeing a cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper port.
>> There is the Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that
>> would be the tipping point that we need long term.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

2017-07-21 Thread Joe Falaschi

What Chris said.

Our 450Ms have been a huge game changer for us.  We have a tower with 300 
people on it, pretty much all on one side (180 degrees is busy and the other 
180 degrees is pretty silent).  In the past we’d add an AP to offload capacity 
and that AP was used up day one.  There just wasn’t a path to catch up with 
demand much less start to offer faster speeds.  If there is any kind of 
density, greater than 100+ clients on the tower, I’m not sure how you use 
anything other than 450m at this point.

Joe


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:
> 
> ePMP might make sense to build in a new area, but when you have 100+ clients 
> in a single 90 degree sector, replacing your triple-stacked PMP450 APs with a 
> single 450M, saving 40MHz of spectrum, offering faster speeds, AND not having 
> to swap 100+ radios feels mighty nice.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:58 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>  
> I've had ePMP's do some weird things here and there, like refusing to reboot 
> or accept config changes.  Nothing a power cycle didn't fix.
> I've had to power cycle a PMP100 or 450 to fix a problem approximately zero 
> times.
>  
> I know a neighbor who had a tower hit by lightning an ePMP and a Ubiquiti 
> Rocket died while the PMP100 and 430 stuff kept on chugging (he didn't have 
> 450 there yet).
>  
> 450 has a few management conveniences like remote spectrum analyzer, RF 
> private IP, and SM proxy access via AP.
>  
> So overall my experiences say the 450 is better than the ePMP, but I still 
> use a lot of ePMP for all the reasons others have stated.  ePMP is good bang 
> for the buck.
>  
> -Adam
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mathew Howard" >
> To: "af" >
> Sent: 7/18/2017 10:23:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>  
>> It seems to me (as someone who hasn't actually used PMP450 to speak of, 
>> other than 900mhz), that PMP450 has some advantages for high density 
>> deployments... particularly if you're talking 450m, or even the ability to 
>> easily upgrade to 450m. But in a network like ours, where the average SMs 
>> per AP is somewhere around 15, I just can't see any way that it could 
>> possibly be worth going with 450 over ePMP. 
>>  
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Bill Prince > > wrote:
>> The PMP450M can make ~~ 12° sectors. On a busy tower, and surrounded by 
>> noisy neighbors, we're often seeing 30 dBm SNR. Nothing else comes close.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 7/17/2017 10:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> Serious question, not my usual sarcasm, how are you 450 folks justifying 
>>> the substantial proce difference between 450 and epmp, seriously, if you 
>>> dont freeze in the winter, i couldnt justify it. Granted we dont sellbover 
>>> 12\2 and we dont have more than 40 per ap, i just dont see the value, they 
>>> did too good a job on epmp
>>>  
>>> On Jul 3, 2017 12:10 PM, "Craig Schmaderer" >> > wrote:
>>> I have never seen more than around 55mbps on 450sm in bridge mode with any 
>>> firmware.  Maybe I missed a 14.x that it did, but I haven't seen more than 
>>> 55mbps on any 15.x firmware. I am working on a bug with then on 15.1 where 
>>> it looks like the qos speed limiters are not enforcing speed settings.  I 
>>> have never tried a 450i sm but I would assume those work fine, I have many 
>>> 450i PTP that work great. 
>>>  
>>> From: Af > on behalf of 
>>> Kurt Fankhauser >
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:38:49 AM 
>>> 
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap
>>>  
>>> The original 450 hardware will max out at around 70mbps TCP. Even if you 
>>> have no traffic on it that is the limitation. I don't remember which 
>>> firmware it was but the 14.0 something sounds right and I have personally 
>>> gotten the 70mbps to a SM on a AP with 3 clients. 
>>>  
>>> Now the 450i AP basically the 70mbps cap is gone and you can get whatever 
>>> the link tests show (as long as your testing to an 450i SM). I have two 
>>> customers with 450i SM on a 450i AP and have seen well over 125mbps TCP 
>>> easy. Now that same AP talking to older 450SM's those SM's can still only 
>>> get 70mbps max.
>>>  
>>> So basically what you need to do is put the 450i AP up where you need to 
>>> total AP capacity of more than 50-60mbps and then only use the 450i SM on 
>>> the clients that need more than the 50-70mbps. 
>>>  
>>> I have not tested speeds since

Re: [AFMUG] Sturdy bracket

Yep, except we don't get tornadoes...

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 21, 2017 2:51 PM,  wrote:

> It is tornado hold down for the building.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 2:48 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sturdy bracket
>
> We custom made this bracket.  Tower base is secured with 5 inch concrete
> anchor.  Spent two hours on tower...solid all the way... AF5X with 30dB
> dish.  Bracket is attached to I-Beam with three thread rods ..
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sturdy bracket

It is tornado hold down for the building.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:48 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Sturdy bracket

We custom made this bracket.  Tower base is secured with 5 inch concrete 
anchor.  Spent two hours on tower...solid all the way... AF5X with 30dB dish.  
Bracket is attached to I-Beam with three thread rods ..

Jaime Solorza

[AFMUG] Be careful with 3650 (was CBRS in trouble)

2017-07-21 Thread Mark Radabaugh

I urge ALL of you using 3.65 gear to pay very close attention to what the 
definition of power level at the edge of a SAS is - it is a whole lot louder 
than many of you are thinking about. The actual document is here:  

https://www.fcc.gov/document/35-ghz-order-recon-and-2nd-ro 

Pay very close attention to this, and the examples in the appendix.

(d) Received Signal Strength Limits:

(1) For both Priority Access and GAA users, CBSD transmissions must be managed 
such that the aggregate received signal strength for all locations within the 
PAL Protection Area of any co-channel PAL, shall not exceed an average (RMS) 
power level of -80 dBm in any direction when integrated over a 10 megahertz 
reference bandwidth, with the measurement antenna placed at a height of 1.5 
meters above ground level, unless the affected PAL licensees agree to an 
alternative limit and communicate that to the SAS. 

The standard is -80dBM/10Mhz approximately 5’ off the ground measured by a 
UNITY GAIN antenna.  This frequency is going to be LOUD.   If you are used to 
deploying with 20dBi gain antennas this means the interference signal can 
appear to you as if it was -60dB and still be perfectly legitimate.

At the same time your base stations at 200’ with 16dBi gain antennas that are 
looking toward a PAL boundary are likely to see -64dB of noise or much higher 
if the PAL is calculating the -80dB by taking into account terrain, while your 
base station at 200’ is has clear line of sight to the other transmitter.

I’m very concerned that many of you are installing NLOS services and counting 
on being able to continue to provide service use extremely low signal levels.   
I routinely see posts of people installing LTE customers at very low signal 
levels.  This is not going to continue to work well when the base station is 
faced with significant noise.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996

> On Jul 21, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
> 
> The way it's structured right now, the 50MHz we are using now, and the top 
> 30MHz of the CBRS band will all be GA.  The bottom 70MHz of CBRS is set aside 
> for PALs.  Currently they are to be auctioned off by census tract for 5 
> years, with one renewal option.  That's what WISPA fought for, and that's 
> what we are trying to protect.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 
> 
> On Jul 21, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Mathew Howard  > wrote:
> 
>> My understanding is that GA availability would be dependant on what's 
>> actually in use... so you would still be able to use it in an area where 
>> someone holds a PAL, but hasn't actually deployed anything. Of course if the 
>> entire 150mhz is auctioned off as PALs, there's always going to be the 
>> possibility that the PAL holders are going to come along and turn on some 
>> new towers in an area where you have a ton of GA stuff deployed, and the 
>> your whole network is suddenly gone... with no realistic way to fix it.
>> 
>> But yeah, if the PALs are covering an entire PEA, none of us little guys are 
>> going to end up with any.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Adam Moffett > > wrote:
>> Review: 
>> The previously adopted rules split the 150mhz of the 3.5ghz band into a 
>> general availability (GA) section and a 70mhz wide Priority Access License 
>> (PAL) section.  PAL licenses are to be auctioned per census tract, and have 
>> a 3 year license term.   At the end of 3 years you can renew once, for a 
>> total of 6 years, (After that I believe they go back for another auction, 
>> but I don't recall).  The GA section is administered by an automated 
>> Spectrum Access System (SAS), and any frequencies in your census tract not 
>> used by a PAL are available for GA use.  
>> 
>> CTIA proposal:
>> The CTIA suggests that the PAL license term be 10 years and that they should 
>> have an expectation of being able to renew them.  They also suggest that 
>> licenses be granted for a PEA rather than a census tract. PEA's are gigantic 
>> (https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-759A4.pdf 
>> ).   Their 
>> justification for the license term of 10 years is that mobile deployments 
>> may not see a return on investment in 3 years.   The justification for 
>> guaranteed renewal is that it will encourage investment in the band.  The 
>> justification for PEA's instead of census tracts it that it's easier for 
>> them.  For all three points they also point out that these changes would be 
>> more consistent with how current licensing works (for them).
>> 
>> T-Mobile proposal:
>> T-Mobile suggests

[AFMUG] Sturdy bracket

We custom made this bracket.  Tower base is secured with 5 inch concrete
anchor.  Spent two hours on tower...solid all the way... AF5X with 30dB
dish.  Bracket is attached to I-Beam with three thread rods ..

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble

2017-07-21 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 7/21/17 12:38, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
The way it's structured right now, the 50MHz we are using now, and the 
top 30MHz of the CBRS band will all be GA.  The bottom 70MHz of CBRS is 
set aside for PALs.  Currently they are to be auctioned off by census 
tract for 5 years, with one renewal option.  That's what WISPA fought 
for, and that's what we are trying to protect.



The cellcos basically want to toss all that aside and so their industry 
can take all of it in the name of "5G". What the CTIA and T-mo put forth 
at the 11th hour should be completely rejected.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

2017-07-21 Thread George Skorup

If it only supported 10-60VDC. I hate having to add a DC-DC converter 
for one damn device.


On 7/21/2017 3:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Yup, RB3011 is what you want.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:


Yep, don’t why I didn’t think of that.  The 3011 will fit the bill
nicely

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 1:36 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance
Mikrotik router needed

RB3011. Fast, stable (once you upgrade past earlt factory firmware
that had packet loss bug), $170.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:

As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we
still have the router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at
the tower top. The only thing we really have at the bottom
that plugs into the router (other than Fiber) is a
SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)

So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was
already there and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same
reason).  Both have a 600Mhz MIPS 74Kc V4.12.

I am looking to find something that has more power without
jumping up to a $ 380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit
into that scenario. In each case, these towers never push for
than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60% CPU.  The use Queues
per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius) and very
basic Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports
to our internal office subnet.

But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if
someone had any ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube
box to run ROS, but not seeing a cost effective solution that
has a fiber port and a copper port.  There is the Power Box
pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that would be the
tipping point that we need long term.

Any suggestions>

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

Yup, RB3011 is what you want.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Yep, don’t why I didn’t think of that.  The 3011 will fit the bill nicely
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 1:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik
> router needed
>
>
>
> RB3011. Fast, stable (once you upgrade past earlt factory firmware that
> had packet loss bug), $170.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have
> the router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The only
> thing we really have at the bottom that plugs into the router (other than
> Fiber) is a SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)
>
>
>
> So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already
> there and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 600Mhz
> MIPS 74Kc V4.12.
>
> I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up to a
> $ 380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  In each
> case, these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60%
> CPU.  The use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius)
> and very basic Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports to
> our internal office subnet.
>
>
>
> But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had any
> ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but not seeing
> a cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper port.  There
> is the Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that would be
> the tipping point that we need long term.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions>
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

What is the total throughput and price of these?

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

SIAE Also Plus 2
Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820

Anything im missing? 

  Gino A. Villarini

  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-21 Thread Gino A. Villarini

SIAE Also Plus 2
Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820

Anything im missing?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble

2017-07-21 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

The way it's structured right now, the 50MHz we are using now, and the top 
30MHz of the CBRS band will all be GA.  The bottom 70MHz of CBRS is set aside 
for PALs.  Currently they are to be auctioned off by census tract for 5 years, 
with one renewal option.  That's what WISPA fought for, and that's what we are 
trying to protect.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 21, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> My understanding is that GA availability would be dependant on what's 
> actually in use... so you would still be able to use it in an area where 
> someone holds a PAL, but hasn't actually deployed anything. Of course if the 
> entire 150mhz is auctioned off as PALs, there's always going to be the 
> possibility that the PAL holders are going to come along and turn on some new 
> towers in an area where you have a ton of GA stuff deployed, and the your 
> whole network is suddenly gone... with no realistic way to fix it.
> 
> But yeah, if the PALs are covering an entire PEA, none of us little guys are 
> going to end up with any.
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> Review: 
>> The previously adopted rules split the 150mhz of the 3.5ghz band into a 
>> general availability (GA) section and a 70mhz wide Priority Access License 
>> (PAL) section.  PAL licenses are to be auctioned per census tract, and have 
>> a 3 year license term.   At the end of 3 years you can renew once, for a 
>> total of 6 years, (After that I believe they go back for another auction, 
>> but I don't recall).  The GA section is administered by an automated 
>> Spectrum Access System (SAS), and any frequencies in your census tract not 
>> used by a PAL are available for GA use.  
>> 
>> CTIA proposal:
>> The CTIA suggests that the PAL license term be 10 years and that they should 
>> have an expectation of being able to renew them.  They also suggest that 
>> licenses be granted for a PEA rather than a census tract. PEA's are gigantic 
>> (https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-759A4.pdf).   Their 
>> justification for the license term of 10 years is that mobile deployments 
>> may not see a return on investment in 3 years.   The justification for 
>> guaranteed renewal is that it will encourage investment in the band.  The 
>> justification for PEA's instead of census tracts it that it's easier for 
>> them.  For all three points they also point out that these changes would be 
>> more consistent with how current licensing works (for them).
>> 
>> T-Mobile proposal:
>> T-Mobile suggests everything the CTIA suggests, but further suggests that 
>> the entire 150mhz become PAL, with GA use only allowed opportunistically 
>> where a PAL has not been granted.  T-Mobile goes on to suggest changes in 
>> the channel selection and bidding process consistent with their proposal of 
>> having the whole band auctioned off, and a few technical points such as less 
>> restrictive OOB emissions rules.   
>> 
>> My take:
>> The expectation under the current rules is that big carriers will bid on 
>> PAL's for census tracts in dense areas where they need more small cell 
>> deployments, but rural tracts will go for a couple hundred dollars each.  If 
>> they get the right to bid on a PAL in an entire PEA, then we won't get any.  
>> They'll bid on our PEA because of the cities contained in our PEA, and we'll 
>> never outbid them.  
>> The CTIA proposal and the T-Mobile proposal are dated just a few days apart, 
>> and T-Mobile is a member of the CTIA.  So I assume they're asking dad for a 
>> Lamborghini so they can settle for the Corvette.
>> 
>> It might be ok ONLY if the GA availability is dependent on where they are 
>> deployed and not simply where they hold a license.  If I can still use the 
>> whole 150mhz in small town USA because big carriers are not going to build 
>> 3.5ghz out in the woods where they already have sufficient spectrum in 
>> 800mhz, 2.5ghz, etc; THEN I'd be happy enough.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: 7/21/2017 11:03:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble
>> 
>>> I didn't read through the whole thing, but from what I got skimming through 
>>> it, it sounds like they basically want PALs to be auctioned for the entire 
>>> 150mhz, instead of the current 70mhz they're limited to, and they want a 
>>> single entity to be allowed to hold more PALs... and some changes to the 
>>> licensing structure to make it a bit more like traditional licenses. It 
>>> probably wouldn't change much in areas out in the middle of nowhere, that 
>>> the big companies don't have much interest in, but in some areas, I would 
>>> imagine you'd end up with the three biggest cell carriers in the area 
>>> snapping up all the PALs, making the entire band

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble

My understanding is that GA availability would be dependant on what's
actually in use... so you would still be able to use it in an area where
someone holds a PAL, but hasn't actually deployed anything. Of course if
the entire 150mhz is auctioned off as PALs, there's always going to be the
possibility that the PAL holders are going to come along and turn on some
new towers in an area where you have a ton of GA stuff deployed, and the
your whole network is suddenly gone... with no realistic way to fix it.

But yeah, if the PALs are covering an entire PEA, none of us little guys
are going to end up with any.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Review:
> The previously adopted rules split the 150mhz of the 3.5ghz band into a
> general availability (GA) section and a 70mhz wide Priority Access License
> (PAL) section.  PAL licenses are to be auctioned per census tract, and have
> a 3 year license term.   At the end of 3 years you can renew once, for a
> total of 6 years, (After that I believe they go back for another auction,
> but I don't recall).  The GA section is administered by an automated
> Spectrum Access System (SAS), and any frequencies in your census tract not
> used by a PAL are available for GA use.
>
> CTIA proposal:
> The CTIA suggests that the PAL license term be 10 years and that they
> should have an expectation of being able to renew them.  They also suggest
> that licenses be granted for a PEA rather than a census tract. PEA's are
> gigantic (https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-759A4.pdf).
>   Their justification for the license term of 10 years is that mobile
> deployments may not see a return on investment in 3 years.   The
> justification for guaranteed renewal is that it will encourage investment
> in the band.  The justification for PEA's instead of census tracts it that
> it's easier for them.  For all three points they also point out that these
> changes would be more consistent with how current licensing works (for
> them).
>
> T-Mobile proposal:
> T-Mobile suggests everything the CTIA suggests, but *further *suggests
> that the entire 150mhz become PAL, with GA use only allowed
> opportunistically where a PAL has not been granted.  T-Mobile goes on to
> suggest changes in the channel selection and bidding process consistent
> with their proposal of having the whole band auctioned off, and a few
> technical points such as less restrictive OOB emissions rules.
>
> My take:
> The expectation under the current rules is that big carriers will bid on
> PAL's for census tracts in dense areas where they need more small cell
> deployments, but rural tracts will go for a couple hundred dollars each.
> If they get the right to bid on a PAL in an entire PEA, then we won't get
> any.  They'll bid on our PEA because of the cities contained in our PEA,
> and we'll never outbid them.
> The CTIA proposal and the T-Mobile proposal are dated just a few days
> apart, and T-Mobile is a member of the CTIA.  So I assume they're asking
> dad for a Lamborghini so they can settle for the Corvette.
>
> It might be ok ONLY if the GA availability is dependent on where they are
> deployed and not simply where they hold a license.  If I can still use the
> whole 150mhz in small town USA because big carriers are not going to build
> 3.5ghz out in the woods where they already have sufficient spectrum in
> 800mhz, 2.5ghz, etc; THEN I'd be happy enough.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: 7/21/2017 11:03:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble
>
> I didn't read through the whole thing, but from what I got skimming
> through it, it sounds like they basically want PALs to be auctioned for the
> entire 150mhz, instead of the current 70mhz they're limited to, and they
> want a single entity to be allowed to hold more PALs... and some changes to
> the licensing structure to make it a bit more like traditional licenses. It
> probably wouldn't change much in areas out in the middle of nowhere, that
> the big companies don't have much interest in, but in some areas, I would
> imagine you'd end up with the three biggest cell carriers in the area
> snapping up all the PALs, making the entire band essentially non-existent
> for the rest of us.
>
> Their statement that there won't be enough investment in the band without
> those changes is pretty obviously nonsense, since there's already plenty of
> gear that will operate in the band available... and the new system isn't
> even online yet.
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Trying to find time to read the whole NPRM before making an opinion, but
>> it does sound bad.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Dave" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 7/20/2017 4:39:18 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble
>>
>> Anyone else doing this
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

Yep, don’t why I didn’t think of that.  The 3011 will fit the bill nicely

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router 
needed

RB3011. Fast, stable (once you upgrade past earlt factory firmware that had 
packet loss bug), $170.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have the 
router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The only thing we 
really have at the bottom that plugs into the router (other than Fiber) is a 
SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)

So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already there 
and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 600Mhz MIPS 74Kc 
V4.12.
I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up to a $ 
380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  In each case, 
these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60% CPU.  The 
use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius) and very basic 
Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports to our internal office 
subnet.

But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had any 
ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but not seeing a 
cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper port.  There is the 
Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that would be the tipping 
point that we need long term.

Any suggestions>

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

The only reason for not doing the $ 380 CCR is that it is on the bottom where 
if there is surge damage, its going to take it more directly. We are in 
Florida, and protect the crap out of stuff, but…. I hate to think of a router 
as a consumable, but it is a factor.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router 
needed

IMO Just go to the CCR and don't worry about the CPU anymore.

The middle ground might be the 3011.  1.4ghz dual core for about $180.

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 7/21/2017 1:17:02 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have the 
router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The only thing we 
really have at the bottom that plugs into the router (other than Fiber) is a 
SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)

So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already there 
and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 600Mhz MIPS 74Kc 
V4.12.
I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up to a $ 
380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  In each case, 
these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60% CPU.  The 
use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius) and very basic 
Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports to our internal office 
subnet.

But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had any 
ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but not seeing a 
cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper port.  There is the 
Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that would be the tipping 
point that we need long term.

Any suggestions>

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

2017-07-21 Thread Colin Stanners

RB3011. Fast, stable (once you upgrade past earlt factory firmware that had
packet loss bug), $170.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have
> the router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The only
> thing we really have at the bottom that plugs into the router (other than
> Fiber) is a SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)
>
>
>
> So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already
> there and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 600Mhz
> MIPS 74Kc V4.12.
>
> I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up to a
> $ 380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  In each
> case, these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60%
> CPU.  The use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius)
> and very basic Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports to
> our internal office subnet.
>
>
>
> But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had any
> ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but not seeing
> a cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper port.  There
> is the Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that would be
> the tipping point that we need long term.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions>
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble

2017-07-21 Thread Mark Radabaugh

This was posted to the WISPA lists. If you are using or plan to use CBRS
please file BY MONDAY in the FCC docket your comments:

Please compose your OWN letter to the FCC and file it with the FCC by Monday.
Do NOT simply copy our memo and post it to the FCC. This needs to be in your
words, showing your use of the band and the actual services you provide or
intend to provide.

An excellent example:
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10718384010406/FCC%20CBRS.pdf

Sincerely,

Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996

Citizens Broadband Radio Service

GN Docket No. 12-354

Suggestions for Filing Comments OPPOSING Petitions for Rulemaking

Deadline: Monday, July 24 at 11:59 pm EDT

Background

CTIA and T-Mobile have recently filed petitions for rulemaking with the FCC
that would fundamentally change the Citizens Broadband Radio Service (CBRS),
which includes the 3550-3650 MHz band and the existing 3650-3700 MHz band.
WISPA will be filing extensive Comments opposing the proposed rule changes, and
we believe it is very important for individual members – WISPs, manufacturers,
vendors, etc. – to also file Comments.

The FCC adopted rules in 2015 to establish the CBRS band. The band employs a
three-tier spectrum access model. Incumbent Access (earth stations and
military) that must always be protected from interference; Priority Access,
which will be auctioned by the FCC according to census tracts and must protect
incumbents; and General Authorized Access (GAA), a “license by rule” service
that must protect Incumbent and Priority Access use. The FCC allocated up to
70 megahertz for Priority Access Licenses (PALs) and the remaining 80 megahertz
for GAA use. The FCC also will allow GAA use opportunistically when and where
Priority Access Licenses (PALs) are not in use. The model will be governed by
a Spectrum Access System (SAS) that will enforce the three-tier approach.

In addition to fixed wireless service, the CBRS band is viewed as an
“innovation band” to enable other business models such as Industrial Internet
of Things, private networks, venues (e.g., airports, arenas, shopping malls),
neutral host networks and others.

The Mobile Industry Proposals (links to petitions on next page)

The mobile industry wants to change the rules so they are friendlier to 5G
services that they are developing, though they concede that actual deployment
of 5G in the CBRS band will be years away. The effect of the proposals will
effectively foreclose other uses and create a “5G-only” band. To achieve this
goal, here is what the mobile industry is proposing:

Ø Extend Priority Access License (PAL) terms from 3 years to 10 years and add
a “renewal expectancy.”

Ø Conduct PAL auctions based on Partial Economic Areas (PEAs) instead of
census tracts. There are 416 PEAs and more than 74,000 census tracts.

Together, these proposed rule changes would make the cost of acquiring
protected PALs through auction significantly higher, pricing out many small
would-be bidders and essentially ensuring that the large mobile wireless
carriers have exclusive access to the spectrum for an indefinite period of time
over a large geographic area. Smaller providers, even if they had the means to
outbid the large carriers, would be forced to acquire large-area licenses
(multiple counties) that are likely much larger than the targeted areas WISPs
would want to serve.

In addition to these proposals, T-Mobile (but not CTIA) also proposes the
following:

Ø Allow PALs in the existing 3650-3700 MHz band and eliminate the GAA spectrum
allocation (although GAA would still be available on an opportunistic basis
when and where PALs are not in use).

Ø Set a 50 megahertz cap, enabling three large carriers to acquire all of the
licensed spectrum.

These additional proposals will virtually guarantee that the CBRS band becomes
a “5G-only” band. IN addition, eliminating the GAA tier in the 3650-3700 MHz
band without accommodating existing 3650-3700 MHz users could present serious
interference problems if newcomers are not required to protect incumbents.

General Guidelines

· Please review the two petitions:

o Here is a link to the CTIA Petition:
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10616144416997/170616%20-%20FILED%20CTIA%203.5%20GHz%20Petition%20for%20Rulemaking.pdf

o Here is a link to the T-Mobile Petition:
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/106191696422731/T-Mobile%203.5%20GHz%20Petition%20for%20Rulemaking%20--%2012-354%20--%206.17.2017.pdf

· File comments unique to your company, not

Re: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

2017-07-21 Thread Adam Moffett

IMO Just go to the CCR and don't worry about the CPU anymore.

The middle ground might be the 3011.  1.4ghz dual core for about $180.

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 7/21/2017 1:17:02 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router 
needed

As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have 
the router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The 
only thing we really have at the bottom that plugs into the router 
(other than Fiber) is a SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but 
I digress.)

So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already 
there and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 
600Mhz MIPS 74Kc V4.12.

I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up 
to a $ 380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  
In each case, these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often 
go over 60% CPU.  The use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs 
from Radius) and very basic Firewall rules to restrict access on all 
the good ports to our internal office subnet.

But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had 
any ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but 
not seeing a cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper 
port.  There is the Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not 
sure that would be the tipping point that we need long term.

Any suggestions>

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble

2017-07-21 Thread Adam Moffett


Review:
The previously adopted rules split the 150mhz of the 3.5ghz band into a 
general availability (GA) section and a 70mhz wide Priority Access 
License (PAL) section.  PAL licenses are to be auctioned per census 
tract, and have a 3 year license term.   At the end of 3 years you can 
renew once, for a total of 6 years, (After that I believe they go back 
for another auction, but I don't recall).  The GA section is 
administered by an automated Spectrum Access System (SAS), and any 
frequencies in your census tract not used by a PAL are available for GA 
use.


CTIA proposal:
The CTIA suggests that the PAL license term be 10 years and that they 
should have an expectation of being able to renew them.  They also 
suggest that licenses be granted for a PEA rather than a census tract. 
PEA's are gigantic 
(https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-759A4.pdf).   Their 
justification for the license term of 10 years is that mobile 
deployments may not see a return on investment in 3 years.   The 
justification for guaranteed renewal is that it will encourage 
investment in the band.  The justification for PEA's instead of census 
tracts it that it's easier for them.  For all three points they also 
point out that these changes would be more consistent with how current 
licensing works (for them).


T-Mobile proposal:
T-Mobile suggests everything the CTIA suggests, but further suggests 
that the entire 150mhz become PAL, with GA use only allowed 
opportunistically where a PAL has not been granted.  T-Mobile goes on to 
suggest changes in the channel selection and bidding process consistent 
with their proposal of having the whole band auctioned off, and a few 
technical points such as less restrictive OOB emissions rules.


My take:
The expectation under the current rules is that big carriers will bid on 
PAL's for census tracts in dense areas where they need more small cell 
deployments, but rural tracts will go for a couple hundred dollars each. 
 If they get the right to bid on a PAL in an entire PEA, then we won't 
get any.  They'll bid on our PEA because of the cities contained in our 
PEA, and we'll never outbid them.
The CTIA proposal and the T-Mobile proposal are dated just a few days 
apart, and T-Mobile is a member of the CTIA.  So I assume they're asking 
dad for a Lamborghini so they can settle for the Corvette.


It might be ok ONLY if the GA availability is dependent on where they 
are deployed and not simply where they hold a license.  If I can still 
use the whole 150mhz in small town USA because big carriers are not 
going to build 3.5ghz out in the woods where they already have 
sufficient spectrum in 800mhz, 2.5ghz, etc; THEN I'd be happy enough.




-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 7/21/2017 11:03:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble

I didn't read through the whole thing, but from what I got skimming 
through it, it sounds like they basically want PALs to be auctioned for 
the entire 150mhz, instead of the current 70mhz they're limited to, and 
they want a single entity to be allowed to hold more PALs... and some 
changes to the licensing structure to make it a bit more like 
traditional licenses. It probably wouldn't change much in areas out in 
the middle of nowhere, that the big companies don't have much interest 
in, but in some areas, I would imagine you'd end up with the three 
biggest cell carriers in the area snapping up all the PALs, making the 
entire band essentially non-existent for the rest of us.


Their statement that there won't be enough investment in the band 
without those changes is pretty obviously nonsense, since there's 
already plenty of gear that will operate in the band available... and 
the new system isn't even online yet.


On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Trying to find time to read the whole NPRM before making an opinion, 
but it does sound bad.



-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 7/20/2017 4:39:18 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble


Anyone else doing this

http://files.constantcontact.com/d4d6cd6a501/40256872-b6da-4840-b79d-61e111535347.pdf 



--

[AFMUG] cost effective, mid-range performance Mikrotik router needed

As we moved all out towers to Fiber / Power up the tower, we still have the 
router at the bottom (running a UBNT S16) at the tower top.  The only thing we 
really have at the bottom that plugs into the router (other than Fiber) is a 
SiteMonitor.   (Boy, I wish it had an SFP, but I digress.)

So, we use something like the CRSCRS125-24G-1S (because it was already there 
and has an SFP port)  or a RB2011 (same reason).  Both have a 600Mhz MIPS 74Kc 
V4.12.
I am looking to find something that has more power without jumping up to a $ 
380 CCR1009.  We have 25+ towers that fit into that scenario.  In each case, 
these towers never push for than 50 Mbit of BW but often go over 60% CPU.  The 
use Queues per connected customers (that it grabs from Radius) and very basic 
Firewall rules to restrict access on all the good ports to our internal office 
subnet.

But, we just need a bit more horsepower.  Was wondering if someone had any 
ideas?  Like maybe building some little cube box to run ROS, but not seeing a 
cost effective solution that has a fiber port and a copper port.  There is the 
Power Box pro with same CPU but 800Mhz, but not sure that would be the tipping 
point that we need long term.

Any suggestions>

Paul


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

Came home, heard a ruckus in the basement, grabbed my son's rifle and headed 
down like an idiot yelling that I had a gun and was coming for them.  Turned 
out a cat had crawled into a bathroom vent and had clawed its way out of the 
vent tubing and out of the ceiling etc.  Was stupid and not scared that day.


But the bank robbery was much different.  They guy had a shotgun and blew a 
bank customer's head off.  Didn't see it but was there and heard it. 
Totally different feeling.


-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Head

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

When I was eleven I was home alone and was temporarily held hostage in a
home invasion.
I was caught in mid-indecision about whether to threaten them with an
unloaded .22 rifle or to try to sneak up upon them and brain them with a
baseball bat.
Never got to choose, probably luckily. I guess I am not smart enough to
be scared.


On 7/20/2017 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
When really angry or really scared, unless you have had some training on 
dealing with the situation, you lose some of your sanity.  I was a hostage 
in a bank robbery once.  I was so scared I remember thinking I would crawl 
over my own kids to get away if I could.


There was still a small part of my brain sane enough to form that 
observation.  That is  the most scared I have ever been.  I also remember 
thinking "you have never truly been scared before, you might have though 
you were scared but nothing compares with this".


-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation 
Mitigation.


It's about what happens in the instant.   The red vision only lasted
less than a minute and by the time I got to the screen door it had
faded.   BUT if I had the means to kill them in 2 seconds, it would have
happened.   That's the difference between a gun and a knife. Specially
if I was then as proficient with a gun as I am now.   I am also a lot
older, a lot more experienced and have seen death up close and personal.
  Probably wouldn't have the same thing happen in the same scenario,
but YOU JUST DON"T KNOW

On 07/20/2017 02:02 PM, George Skorup wrote:

OK, but what does a gun/guns have to do with that scenario? Could you
have grabbed a knife or a baseball bat and went to town on one or both
of them? Or how about bare hands? Absolutely yes. Murder is murder. Guns
are not the problem.

On 7/20/2017 1:38 PM, Robert wrote:

I came home early from a sailboat race when I was 36.   We finished
early and I came home a day early and found my wife in my back yard
with another dude.   That moment when I saw them my vision shrunk down
to a small red circle.   Seriously I am not kidding, vision all red
with a 3 foot circle that I could see them in.   I put my fist through
two coverings of sheet rock ( luckily missed the stud ) and let go a
truly primal scream that had them running from the backyard. I was
very lucky I wasn't carrying or I would have tested the laws of CA and
probably would be still in jail to this day.   Temporary insanity is
real.  I consider myself a darn rational, thinking man.   But be
careful out there because there is an animal lurking in all of us.
Don't test the legal system unless you have very deep pockets, in
which case you will walk the streets without a problem. Judges are
fickle and the legal system is more so.

On 07/20/2017 11:24 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Judged by 12 or carried by 6? I don't like either scenario at all, but
I'll shoot a mf'r if there's no other option.

On 7/20/2017 12:43 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Gun control is pretty political...

Packing a weapon gives me options I am not sure I want myself to have.

*From:* Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
Mitigation.

LOL ! and I believe that is exactly what the Ground Crew did (with
making the video).

And so you are in agreement that :-
"If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to defend
themselves"

Would not be the better, smarter or wiser way of dealing with such !

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net





*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:06:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
Mitigation.

Call cops.
Duck for cover.
Administer first aid if you can do so without getting killed.

*From:* Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
Mitigation.

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

2017-07-21 Thread Jerry Head

When I was eleven I was home alone and was temporarily held hostage in a 
home invasion.
I was caught in mid-indecision about whether to threaten them with an 
unloaded .22 rifle or to try to sneak up upon them and brain them with a 
baseball bat.
Never got to choose, probably luckily. I guess I am not smart enough to 
be scared.



On 7/20/2017 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
When really angry or really scared, unless you have had some training 
on dealing with the situation, you lose some of your sanity.  I was a 
hostage in a bank robbery once.  I was so scared I remember thinking I 
would crawl over my own kids to get away if I could.


There was still a small part of my brain sane enough to form that 
observation.  That is  the most scared I have ever been.  I also 
remember thinking "you have never truly been scared before, you might 
have though you were scared but nothing compares with this".


-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation 
Mitigation.


It's about what happens in the instant.   The red vision only lasted
less than a minute and by the time I got to the screen door it had
faded.   BUT if I had the means to kill them in 2 seconds, it would have
happened.   That's the difference between a gun and a knife. Specially
if I was then as proficient with a gun as I am now.   I am also a lot
older, a lot more experienced and have seen death up close and personal.
  Probably wouldn't have the same thing happen in the same scenario,
but YOU JUST DON"T KNOW

On 07/20/2017 02:02 PM, George Skorup wrote:

OK, but what does a gun/guns have to do with that scenario? Could you
have grabbed a knife or a baseball bat and went to town on one or both
of them? Or how about bare hands? Absolutely yes. Murder is murder. Guns
are not the problem.

On 7/20/2017 1:38 PM, Robert wrote:

I came home early from a sailboat race when I was 36.   We finished
early and I came home a day early and found my wife in my back yard
with another dude.   That moment when I saw them my vision shrunk down
to a small red circle.   Seriously I am not kidding, vision all red
with a 3 foot circle that I could see them in.   I put my fist through
two coverings of sheet rock ( luckily missed the stud ) and let go a
truly primal scream that had them running from the backyard. I was
very lucky I wasn't carrying or I would have tested the laws of CA and
probably would be still in jail to this day.   Temporary insanity is
real.  I consider myself a darn rational, thinking man.   But be
careful out there because there is an animal lurking in all of us.
Don't test the legal system unless you have very deep pockets, in
which case you will walk the streets without a problem. Judges are
fickle and the legal system is more so.

On 07/20/2017 11:24 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Judged by 12 or carried by 6? I don't like either scenario at all, but
I'll shoot a mf'r if there's no other option.

On 7/20/2017 12:43 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Gun control is pretty political...

Packing a weapon gives me options I am not sure I want myself to 
have.


*From:* Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
Mitigation.

LOL ! and I believe that is exactly what the Ground Crew did (with
making the video).

And so you are in agreement that :-
"If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to 
defend

themselves"

Would not be the better, smarter or wiser way of dealing with such !

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 




*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:06:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / 
Confrontation

Mitigation.

Call cops.
Duck for cover.
Administer first aid if you can do so without getting killed.

*From:* Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / 
Confrontation

Mitigation.

Let's turn this into a productive conversation, with relevance...

We all have crews working outside... so what should be the SOP 
for

them, under such circumstances ?
What type of training do we need to provide to assure everyone's
safety ?
What should be the reactions expected from the OSP Crew ?


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net

 




*From: *"Paul McCall"

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

2017-07-21 Thread Cameron Crum

Word..to your mother if you are so inclined.


On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:56 AM,  wrote:

> phat
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:34 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
> Mitigation.
>
> Like it's Fly? I still use bitchin
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jul 21, 2017 8:24 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> What happened to gat, that was so 90s
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2017 9:08 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Gangster movies called them a “piece”.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:05 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
>>> Mitigation.
>>>
>>> Quete is slang for hand gun around here
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2017 7:03 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I get a real kick out of 'language' it's differences and word usage by
 folks from different areas !
 (I learned Queen's English, as such folks often pointed out to me that
 my choice of words in conversation were sometimes not common).

 Love how in this thread folks have refereed to their "side arm" as Gun,
 Revolver, Luger, Heat, and Pistol !
 You all are now making me think that I need to add the SuperSoaker as a
 standard item in my toolbag !

 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
 > From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:11:47 PM
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
 Mitigation.

 > It's a scary feeling when you get to a site that is in the middle of
 > nowhere late at night to find out it's been vandalized and not know
 > where the culprit is.  I've started taking a pistol on my late night
 > service calls if I am alone and almost always have a mag light with me
 > day or night.
 >
 > Robert Haas wrote:
 >>
 >> I carry afterhours when I am responding by myself – some areas I will
 >> not respond to after hours alone or otherwise.  I do not carry during
 >> normal business hours.
 >>
 >> For our techs though, they are told to leave the area immediately if
 >> there is a significant threat, then to call the office or police.
 >>
 >> --
 >>
 >> We’ve had 2 incidents of people pulling weapons on our techs
 recently.
 >>
 >> One was a scheduled site survey. CSR’s called and spoke with the lady
 >> and gave her a time frame to expect the tech. Tech showed up, knocked
 >> on the door, rang the doorbell etc. and there was no response. He
 >> began doing the survey and was standing on the extension ladder when
 >> the lady came out and started screaming at him and pointing a
 revolver
 >> at him. The tech ran up the ladder and over the peak of the house.
 She
 >> came around the other side of the house and screamed at him to get
 off
 >> the roof – he got down and loaded his ladder up and left.
 >>
 >> She called complaining that we showed up un-announced and our
 vehicles
 >> aren’t marked – both of which are false – we also wear company shirts
 >> with our logo.
 >>
 >> The best part was her husband called up later wanting to know if it
 >> passed or not and then got pissed when we told him that we refused to
 >> service his location..
 >>
 >> --
 >>
 >> The other we had a tech out on a service call. The house’s eves were
 >> rotten and the J-arm and radio had fallen off the eve. Tech sent me
 >> pics of the house which was pretty much falling in on itself. I told
 >> the tech to speak to the homeowner about putting a 4x4 post down at
 >> the corner of the house so we could re-attach the radio but that we
 >> were not going to be able to mount the radio back on the house due to
 >> its condition. Homeowner blows up goes inside and comes back out with
 >> a shotgun and tells the tech to take the equipment otherwise he was
 >> going to blow his head off.
 >>
 >> --
 >>
 >> I’ve personally have had people walk up on me while working at a site
 >> in the early morning hours like at 1-2am. Nothing came of them – they
 >> were just intoxicated out wandering I guess.
 >>
 >> I also, completely on accident, hit a guy with a half full 44 ounce
 >> soda who was digging in one of our dumpsters at 3am. I was working
 >> late and was finished and cleaning up, the dumpster is probably 15’
 or
 >> so from the door of the shelter. I walked out and took a couple of
 >> steps towards my

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

phat

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

Like it's Fly? I still use bitchin


Jaime Solorza

On Jul 21, 2017 8:24 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  What happened to gat, that was so 90s

  On Jul 21, 2017 9:08 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Gangster movies called them a “piece”.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:05 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

Quete is slang for hand gun around here


Jaime Solorza

On Jul 21, 2017 7:03 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

  I get a real kick out of 'language' it's differences and word usage by 
folks from different areas !
  (I learned Queen's English, as such folks often pointed out to me that my 
choice of words in conversation were sometimes not common).

  Love how in this thread folks have refereed to their "side arm" as Gun, 
Revolver, Luger, Heat, and Pistol !
  You all are now making me think that I need to add the SuperSoaker as a 
standard item in my toolbag !

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  - Original Message -
  > From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:11:47 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation 
Mitigation.

  > It's a scary feeling when you get to a site that is in the middle of
  > nowhere late at night to find out it's been vandalized and not know
  > where the culprit is.  I've started taking a pistol on my late night
  > service calls if I am alone and almost always have a mag light with me
  > day or night.
  >
  > Robert Haas wrote:
  >>
  >> I carry afterhours when I am responding by myself – some areas I will
  >> not respond to after hours alone or otherwise.  I do not carry during
  >> normal business hours.
  >>
  >> For our techs though, they are told to leave the area immediately if
  >> there is a significant threat, then to call the office or police.
  >>
  >> --
  >>
  >> We’ve had 2 incidents of people pulling weapons on our techs recently.
  >>
  >> One was a scheduled site survey. CSR’s called and spoke with the lady
  >> and gave her a time frame to expect the tech. Tech showed up, knocked
  >> on the door, rang the doorbell etc. and there was no response. He
  >> began doing the survey and was standing on the extension ladder when
  >> the lady came out and started screaming at him and pointing a revolver
  >> at him. The tech ran up the ladder and over the peak of the house. She
  >> came around the other side of the house and screamed at him to get off
  >> the roof – he got down and loaded his ladder up and left.
  >>
  >> She called complaining that we showed up un-announced and our vehicles
  >> aren’t marked – both of which are false – we also wear company shirts
  >> with our logo.
  >>
  >> The best part was her husband called up later wanting to know if it
  >> passed or not and then got pissed when we told him that we refused to
  >> service his location..
  >>
  >> --
  >>
  >> The other we had a tech out on a service call. The house’s eves were
  >> rotten and the J-arm and radio had fallen off the eve. Tech sent me
  >> pics of the house which was pretty much falling in on itself. I told
  >> the tech to speak to the homeowner about putting a 4x4 post down at
  >> the corner of the house so we could re-attach the radio but that we
  >> were not going to be able to mount the radio back on the house due to
  >> its condition. Homeowner blows up goes inside and comes back out with
  >> a shotgun and tells the tech to take the equipment otherwise he was
  >> going to blow his head off.
  >>
  >> --
  >>
  >> I’ve personally have had people walk up on me while working at a site
  >> in the early morning hours like at 1-2am. Nothing came of them – they
  >> were just intoxicated out wandering I guess.
  >>
  >> I also, completely on accident, hit a guy with a half full 44 ounce
  >> soda who was digging in one of our dumpsters at 3am. I was working
  >> late and was finished and cleaning up, the dumpster is probably 15’ or
  >> so from the door of the shelter. I walked out and took a couple of
  >> steps towards my van and threw my soda into the dumpster. Unbeknown to
  >> me he was digging through the dumpster and I nailed him right in the
  >> head and the cup burst on

Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

How does one get access to this beta store?

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Harold Bledsoe 
wrote:

> I think they are still in the beta store until end of the weekend!
>
> Thanks,
> -Hal
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 7:45 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> So are they currently available via the beta store, or does one need to
>> just wait until the regular channels get them at this point?
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:07 AM, Harold Bledsoe 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah beta store orders are shipping by air this month. Regular channel
>>> shipments will be August and a mix of air and sea.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:07 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I believe the first set of these were available via their Beta Store.

 We can ask Hal to chime in with the official answer  :)

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net

 --

 *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
 *To: *"af" 

 *Sent: *Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:44:55 PM


 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

 Are the 2.5 units out yet? All the distributors I checked are still
 listing them as pre-order.

 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <
 fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

 So typical issues with new product lines coming thur..
> Gen 1  tends to be a good attempt but often issues are found and
> worked out.
> Gen 2  tends to have the 'fixes'
> Gen 3  has improvements (actual).
>
> Another trend that we see is that lots of mfg are having the practice
> of introducing 'improvements' in the product line, without making a lot of
> noise (I can understand the reasoning for it).
>
> So, I what I shared earlier was on the basis of having some first hand
> information about internal improvements (and I am not talking about the
> 'hardware lockup bug'... they have redesigned and improved the 60ghz
> antenna on the newer units and that is why I specifically stated the 2.5
> unit)...
>
> (FYI, I have a couple of units that are supposed to go up on a 1.1
> mile link, next to an AF24 for testing... as soon as time permits).
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:15:06 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links
>
> I actually tried using Metrolinqs on half of this link when they first
> came out, but I was never able to get it to even link... but I'm not sure
> if the 64.8ghz channel was supported at the time, so maybe it would be
> different now?
>
> I guess a realistic option might be to split the 24ghz link to two
> hops as well, which should easily get the availability I want, and then
> bond it to a 60ghz link to add capacity...
>
> Speaking of bonding, it looks like the Siklu 2x00 series only has
> 1Gbps ports... so I'm assuming to get full capacity I would have to bond
> two ports together? They aren't doing like Ubiquiti and calling 1Gbps full
> duplex 2Gbps are they?
>
>
> --
>>>
>>> Harold Bledsoe
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] This seems suspiciously cheap

2017-07-21 Thread Jerry Head


The white boxes are very sturdy but they are steel.
Not sure about the aluminum boxes.

On 7/21/2017 8:44 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

are they real flimsy?

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Jerry Head > wrote:


We use these quite a bit except we get the white ones.
They work great.


On 7/19/2017 3:12 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

With free shipping...

Anybody want to take a gamble on one of these for a micro pop
enclosure?


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Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

2017-07-21 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I think they are still in the beta store until end of the weekend!

Thanks,
-Hal

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 7:45 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> So are they currently available via the beta store, or does one need to
> just wait until the regular channels get them at this point?
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:07 AM, Harold Bledsoe 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah beta store orders are shipping by air this month. Regular channel
>> shipments will be August and a mix of air and sea.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:07 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the first set of these were available via their Beta Store.
>>>
>>> We can ask Hal to chime in with the official answer  :)
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:44:55 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links
>>>
>>> Are the 2.5 units out yet? All the distributors I checked are still
>>> listing them as pre-order.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <
>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> So typical issues with new product lines coming thur..
 Gen 1  tends to be a good attempt but often issues are found and worked
 out.
 Gen 2  tends to have the 'fixes'
 Gen 3  has improvements (actual).

 Another trend that we see is that lots of mfg are having the practice
 of introducing 'improvements' in the product line, without making a lot of
 noise (I can understand the reasoning for it).

 So, I what I shared earlier was on the basis of having some first hand
 information about internal improvements (and I am not talking about the
 'hardware lockup bug'... they have redesigned and improved the 60ghz
 antenna on the newer units and that is why I specifically stated the 2.5
 unit)...

 (FYI, I have a couple of units that are supposed to go up on a 1.1 mile
 link, next to an AF24 for testing... as soon as time permits).

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net

 --

 *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
 *To: *"af" 
 *Sent: *Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:15:06 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

 I actually tried using Metrolinqs on half of this link when they first
 came out, but I was never able to get it to even link... but I'm not sure
 if the 64.8ghz channel was supported at the time, so maybe it would be
 different now?

 I guess a realistic option might be to split the 24ghz link to two hops
 as well, which should easily get the availability I want, and then bond it
 to a 60ghz link to add capacity...

 Speaking of bonding, it looks like the Siklu 2x00 series only has 1Gbps
 ports... so I'm assuming to get full capacity I would have to bond two
 ports together? They aren't doing like Ubiquiti and calling 1Gbps full
 duplex 2Gbps are they?

 --
>>
>> Harold Bledsoe
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] For Sale: ePMP 2.4 GPS AP

2017-07-21 Thread Josh Luthman

c024900a011a
https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=C024900A011A=0

I have just the radio itself for sale, it was a spare but we're not doing
2.4 due to noise problems.  I'd like it gone for a reasonable price.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble

I didn't read through the whole thing, but from what I got skimming through
it, it sounds like they basically want PALs to be auctioned for the entire
150mhz, instead of the current 70mhz they're limited to, and they want a
single entity to be allowed to hold more PALs... and some changes to the
licensing structure to make it a bit more like traditional licenses. It
probably wouldn't change much in areas out in the middle of nowhere, that
the big companies don't have much interest in, but in some areas, I would
imagine you'd end up with the three biggest cell carriers in the area
snapping up all the PALs, making the entire band essentially non-existent
for the rest of us.

Their statement that there won't be enough investment in the band without
those changes is pretty obviously nonsense, since there's already plenty of
gear that will operate in the band available... and the new system isn't
even online yet.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Trying to find time to read the whole NPRM before making an opinion, but
> it does sound bad.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dave" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 7/20/2017 4:39:18 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble
>
> Anyone else doing this
>
> http://files.constantcontact.com/d4d6cd6a501/40256872-b6da-
> 4840-b79d-61e111535347.pdf
>
> --
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

2017-07-21 Thread Rory Conaway

Who cares what you call it, just leave it and grab the Cannoli…

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 7:34 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

Like it's Fly? I still use bitchin
Jaime Solorza

On Jul 21, 2017 8:24 AM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
What happened to gat, that was so 90s

On Jul 21, 2017 9:08 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
Gangster movies called them a “piece”.

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:05 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

Quete is slang for hand gun around here
Jaime Solorza

On Jul 21, 2017 7:03 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> wrote:
I get a real kick out of 'language' it's differences and word usage by folks 
from different areas !
(I learned Queen's English, as such folks often pointed out to me that my 
choice of words in conversation were sometimes not common).

Love how in this thread folks have refereed to their "side arm" as Gun, 
Revolver, Luger, Heat, and Pistol !
You all are now making me think that I need to add the SuperSoaker as a 
standard item in my toolbag !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:11:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

> It's a scary feeling when you get to a site that is in the middle of
> nowhere late at night to find out it's been vandalized and not know
> where the culprit is.  I've started taking a pistol on my late night
> service calls if I am alone and almost always have a mag light with me
> day or night.
>
> Robert Haas wrote:
>>
>> I carry afterhours when I am responding by myself – some areas I will
>> not respond to after hours alone or otherwise.  I do not carry during
>> normal business hours.
>>
>> For our techs though, they are told to leave the area immediately if
>> there is a significant threat, then to call the office or police.
>>
>> --
>>
>> We’ve had 2 incidents of people pulling weapons on our techs recently.
>>
>> One was a scheduled site survey. CSR’s called and spoke with the lady
>> and gave her a time frame to expect the tech. Tech showed up, knocked
>> on the door, rang the doorbell etc. and there was no response. He
>> began doing the survey and was standing on the extension ladder when
>> the lady came out and started screaming at him and pointing a revolver
>> at him. The tech ran up the ladder and over the peak of the house. She
>> came around the other side of the house and screamed at him to get off
>> the roof – he got down and loaded his ladder up and left.
>>
>> She called complaining that we showed up un-announced and our vehicles
>> aren’t marked – both of which are false – we also wear company shirts
>> with our logo.
>>
>> The best part was her husband called up later wanting to know if it
>> passed or not and then got pissed when we told him that we refused to
>> service his location..
>>
>> --
>>
>> The other we had a tech out on a service call. The house’s eves were
>> rotten and the J-arm and radio had fallen off the eve. Tech sent me
>> pics of the house which was pretty much falling in on itself. I told
>> the tech to speak to the homeowner about putting a 4x4 post down at
>> the corner of the house so we could re-attach the radio but that we
>> were not going to be able to mount the radio back on the house due to
>> its condition. Homeowner blows up goes inside and comes back out with
>> a shotgun and tells the tech to take the equipment otherwise he was
>> going to blow his head off.
>>
>> --
>>
>> I’ve personally have had people walk up on me while working at a site
>> in the early morning hours like at 1-2am. Nothing came of them – they
>> were just intoxicated out wandering I guess.
>>
>> I also, completely on accident, hit a guy with a half full 44 ounce
>> soda who was digging in one of our dumpsters at 3am. I was working
>> late and was finished and cleaning up, the dumpster is probably 15’ or
>> so from the door of the shelter. I walked out and took a couple of
>> steps towards my van and threw my soda into the dumpster. Unbeknown to
>> me he was digging through the dumpster and I nailed him right in the
>> head and the cup burst on him. He was slightly peeved and started
>> towards me. All I could think to grab was my mag light out of the
>> passenger seat of my van. I told him if he

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

Like it's Fly? I still use bitchin

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 21, 2017 8:24 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> What happened to gat, that was so 90s
>
> On Jul 21, 2017 9:08 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Gangster movies called them a “piece”.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:05 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
>> Mitigation.
>>
>> Quete is slang for hand gun around here
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2017 7:03 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I get a real kick out of 'language' it's differences and word usage by
>>> folks from different areas !
>>> (I learned Queen's English, as such folks often pointed out to me that
>>> my choice of words in conversation were sometimes not common).
>>>
>>> Love how in this thread folks have refereed to their "side arm" as Gun,
>>> Revolver, Luger, Heat, and Pistol !
>>> You all are now making me think that I need to add the SuperSoaker as a
>>> standard item in my toolbag !
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> > From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:11:47 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
>>> Mitigation.
>>>
>>> > It's a scary feeling when you get to a site that is in the middle of
>>> > nowhere late at night to find out it's been vandalized and not know
>>> > where the culprit is.  I've started taking a pistol on my late night
>>> > service calls if I am alone and almost always have a mag light with me
>>> > day or night.
>>> >
>>> > Robert Haas wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I carry afterhours when I am responding by myself – some areas I will
>>> >> not respond to after hours alone or otherwise.  I do not carry during
>>> >> normal business hours.
>>> >>
>>> >> For our techs though, they are told to leave the area immediately if
>>> >> there is a significant threat, then to call the office or police.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> We’ve had 2 incidents of people pulling weapons on our techs recently.
>>> >>
>>> >> One was a scheduled site survey. CSR’s called and spoke with the lady
>>> >> and gave her a time frame to expect the tech. Tech showed up, knocked
>>> >> on the door, rang the doorbell etc. and there was no response. He
>>> >> began doing the survey and was standing on the extension ladder when
>>> >> the lady came out and started screaming at him and pointing a revolver
>>> >> at him. The tech ran up the ladder and over the peak of the house. She
>>> >> came around the other side of the house and screamed at him to get off
>>> >> the roof – he got down and loaded his ladder up and left.
>>> >>
>>> >> She called complaining that we showed up un-announced and our vehicles
>>> >> aren’t marked – both of which are false – we also wear company shirts
>>> >> with our logo.
>>> >>
>>> >> The best part was her husband called up later wanting to know if it
>>> >> passed or not and then got pissed when we told him that we refused to
>>> >> service his location..
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> The other we had a tech out on a service call. The house’s eves were
>>> >> rotten and the J-arm and radio had fallen off the eve. Tech sent me
>>> >> pics of the house which was pretty much falling in on itself. I told
>>> >> the tech to speak to the homeowner about putting a 4x4 post down at
>>> >> the corner of the house so we could re-attach the radio but that we
>>> >> were not going to be able to mount the radio back on the house due to
>>> >> its condition. Homeowner blows up goes inside and comes back out with
>>> >> a shotgun and tells the tech to take the equipment otherwise he was
>>> >> going to blow his head off.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> I’ve personally have had people walk up on me while working at a site
>>> >> in the early morning hours like at 1-2am. Nothing came of them – they
>>> >> were just intoxicated out wandering I guess.
>>> >>
>>> >> I also, completely on accident, hit a guy with a half full 44 ounce
>>> >> soda who was digging in one of our dumpsters at 3am. I was working
>>> >> late and was finished and cleaning up, the dumpster is probably 15’ or
>>> >> so from the door of the shelter. I walked out and took a couple of
>>> >> steps towards my van and threw my soda into the dumpster. Unbeknown to
>>> >> me he was digging through the dumpster and I nailed him right in the
>>> >> head and the cup burst on him. He was slightly peeved and started
>>> >> towards me. All I could think to grab was my mag light out of the
>>> >> passenger seat of my van. I told him if he got any closer that we were
>>> >> going to find out how well the flashlight held up being used like a

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

What happened to gat, that was so 90s

On Jul 21, 2017 9:08 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Gangster movies called them a “piece”.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:05 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
> Mitigation.
>
> Quete is slang for hand gun around here
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jul 21, 2017 7:03 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> I get a real kick out of 'language' it's differences and word usage by
>> folks from different areas !
>> (I learned Queen's English, as such folks often pointed out to me that my
>> choice of words in conversation were sometimes not common).
>>
>> Love how in this thread folks have refereed to their "side arm" as Gun,
>> Revolver, Luger, Heat, and Pistol !
>> You all are now making me think that I need to add the SuperSoaker as a
>> standard item in my toolbag !
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:11:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
>> Mitigation.
>>
>> > It's a scary feeling when you get to a site that is in the middle of
>> > nowhere late at night to find out it's been vandalized and not know
>> > where the culprit is.  I've started taking a pistol on my late night
>> > service calls if I am alone and almost always have a mag light with me
>> > day or night.
>> >
>> > Robert Haas wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I carry afterhours when I am responding by myself – some areas I will
>> >> not respond to after hours alone or otherwise.  I do not carry during
>> >> normal business hours.
>> >>
>> >> For our techs though, they are told to leave the area immediately if
>> >> there is a significant threat, then to call the office or police.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> We’ve had 2 incidents of people pulling weapons on our techs recently.
>> >>
>> >> One was a scheduled site survey. CSR’s called and spoke with the lady
>> >> and gave her a time frame to expect the tech. Tech showed up, knocked
>> >> on the door, rang the doorbell etc. and there was no response. He
>> >> began doing the survey and was standing on the extension ladder when
>> >> the lady came out and started screaming at him and pointing a revolver
>> >> at him. The tech ran up the ladder and over the peak of the house. She
>> >> came around the other side of the house and screamed at him to get off
>> >> the roof – he got down and loaded his ladder up and left.
>> >>
>> >> She called complaining that we showed up un-announced and our vehicles
>> >> aren’t marked – both of which are false – we also wear company shirts
>> >> with our logo.
>> >>
>> >> The best part was her husband called up later wanting to know if it
>> >> passed or not and then got pissed when we told him that we refused to
>> >> service his location..
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> The other we had a tech out on a service call. The house’s eves were
>> >> rotten and the J-arm and radio had fallen off the eve. Tech sent me
>> >> pics of the house which was pretty much falling in on itself. I told
>> >> the tech to speak to the homeowner about putting a 4x4 post down at
>> >> the corner of the house so we could re-attach the radio but that we
>> >> were not going to be able to mount the radio back on the house due to
>> >> its condition. Homeowner blows up goes inside and comes back out with
>> >> a shotgun and tells the tech to take the equipment otherwise he was
>> >> going to blow his head off.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> I’ve personally have had people walk up on me while working at a site
>> >> in the early morning hours like at 1-2am. Nothing came of them – they
>> >> were just intoxicated out wandering I guess.
>> >>
>> >> I also, completely on accident, hit a guy with a half full 44 ounce
>> >> soda who was digging in one of our dumpsters at 3am. I was working
>> >> late and was finished and cleaning up, the dumpster is probably 15’ or
>> >> so from the door of the shelter. I walked out and took a couple of
>> >> steps towards my van and threw my soda into the dumpster. Unbeknown to
>> >> me he was digging through the dumpster and I nailed him right in the
>> >> head and the cup burst on him. He was slightly peeved and started
>> >> towards me. All I could think to grab was my mag light out of the
>> >> passenger seat of my van. I told him if he got any closer that we were
>> >> going to find out how well the flashlight held up being used like a
>> bat.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:08 PM
>> >> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection /

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

2017-07-21 Thread Chuck McCown

Gangster movies called them a “piece”.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:05 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

Quete is slang for hand gun around here


Jaime Solorza

On Jul 21, 2017 7:03 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

  I get a real kick out of 'language' it's differences and word usage by folks 
from different areas !
  (I learned Queen's English, as such folks often pointed out to me that my 
choice of words in conversation were sometimes not common).

  Love how in this thread folks have refereed to their "side arm" as Gun, 
Revolver, Luger, Heat, and Pistol !
  You all are now making me think that I need to add the SuperSoaker as a 
standard item in my toolbag !

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  - Original Message -
  > From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:11:47 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

  > It's a scary feeling when you get to a site that is in the middle of
  > nowhere late at night to find out it's been vandalized and not know
  > where the culprit is.  I've started taking a pistol on my late night
  > service calls if I am alone and almost always have a mag light with me
  > day or night.
  >
  > Robert Haas wrote:
  >>
  >> I carry afterhours when I am responding by myself – some areas I will
  >> not respond to after hours alone or otherwise.  I do not carry during
  >> normal business hours.
  >>
  >> For our techs though, they are told to leave the area immediately if
  >> there is a significant threat, then to call the office or police.
  >>
  >> --
  >>
  >> We’ve had 2 incidents of people pulling weapons on our techs recently.
  >>
  >> One was a scheduled site survey. CSR’s called and spoke with the lady
  >> and gave her a time frame to expect the tech. Tech showed up, knocked
  >> on the door, rang the doorbell etc. and there was no response. He
  >> began doing the survey and was standing on the extension ladder when
  >> the lady came out and started screaming at him and pointing a revolver
  >> at him. The tech ran up the ladder and over the peak of the house. She
  >> came around the other side of the house and screamed at him to get off
  >> the roof – he got down and loaded his ladder up and left.
  >>
  >> She called complaining that we showed up un-announced and our vehicles
  >> aren’t marked – both of which are false – we also wear company shirts
  >> with our logo.
  >>
  >> The best part was her husband called up later wanting to know if it
  >> passed or not and then got pissed when we told him that we refused to
  >> service his location..
  >>
  >> --
  >>
  >> The other we had a tech out on a service call. The house’s eves were
  >> rotten and the J-arm and radio had fallen off the eve. Tech sent me
  >> pics of the house which was pretty much falling in on itself. I told
  >> the tech to speak to the homeowner about putting a 4x4 post down at
  >> the corner of the house so we could re-attach the radio but that we
  >> were not going to be able to mount the radio back on the house due to
  >> its condition. Homeowner blows up goes inside and comes back out with
  >> a shotgun and tells the tech to take the equipment otherwise he was
  >> going to blow his head off.
  >>
  >> --
  >>
  >> I’ve personally have had people walk up on me while working at a site
  >> in the early morning hours like at 1-2am. Nothing came of them – they
  >> were just intoxicated out wandering I guess.
  >>
  >> I also, completely on accident, hit a guy with a half full 44 ounce
  >> soda who was digging in one of our dumpsters at 3am. I was working
  >> late and was finished and cleaning up, the dumpster is probably 15’ or
  >> so from the door of the shelter. I walked out and took a couple of
  >> steps towards my van and threw my soda into the dumpster. Unbeknown to
  >> me he was digging through the dumpster and I nailed him right in the
  >> head and the cup burst on him. He was slightly peeved and started
  >> towards me. All I could think to grab was my mag light out of the
  >> passenger seat of my van. I told him if he got any closer that we were
  >> going to find out how well the flashlight held up being used like a bat.
  >>
  >> --
  >>
  >> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
  >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:08 PM
  >> *To:* af@afmug.com
  >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
  >> Mitigation.
  >>
  >> alot is dependent on area. Urban, most definitely allow for self
  >> defense weapons withing local applicable law. If you have a 2A guy who
  >> gets harmed and you have a policy disallowing self defense, then

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

Quete is slang for hand gun around here

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 21, 2017 7:03 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> I get a real kick out of 'language' it's differences and word usage by
> folks from different areas !
> (I learned Queen's English, as such folks often pointed out to me that my
> choice of words in conversation were sometimes not common).
>
> Love how in this thread folks have refereed to their "side arm" as Gun,
> Revolver, Luger, Heat, and Pistol !
> You all are now making me think that I need to add the SuperSoaker as a
> standard item in my toolbag !
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:11:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
> Mitigation.
>
> > It's a scary feeling when you get to a site that is in the middle of
> > nowhere late at night to find out it's been vandalized and not know
> > where the culprit is.  I've started taking a pistol on my late night
> > service calls if I am alone and almost always have a mag light with me
> > day or night.
> >
> > Robert Haas wrote:
> >>
> >> I carry afterhours when I am responding by myself – some areas I will
> >> not respond to after hours alone or otherwise.  I do not carry during
> >> normal business hours.
> >>
> >> For our techs though, they are told to leave the area immediately if
> >> there is a significant threat, then to call the office or police.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> We’ve had 2 incidents of people pulling weapons on our techs recently.
> >>
> >> One was a scheduled site survey. CSR’s called and spoke with the lady
> >> and gave her a time frame to expect the tech. Tech showed up, knocked
> >> on the door, rang the doorbell etc. and there was no response. He
> >> began doing the survey and was standing on the extension ladder when
> >> the lady came out and started screaming at him and pointing a revolver
> >> at him. The tech ran up the ladder and over the peak of the house. She
> >> came around the other side of the house and screamed at him to get off
> >> the roof – he got down and loaded his ladder up and left.
> >>
> >> She called complaining that we showed up un-announced and our vehicles
> >> aren’t marked – both of which are false – we also wear company shirts
> >> with our logo.
> >>
> >> The best part was her husband called up later wanting to know if it
> >> passed or not and then got pissed when we told him that we refused to
> >> service his location..
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> The other we had a tech out on a service call. The house’s eves were
> >> rotten and the J-arm and radio had fallen off the eve. Tech sent me
> >> pics of the house which was pretty much falling in on itself. I told
> >> the tech to speak to the homeowner about putting a 4x4 post down at
> >> the corner of the house so we could re-attach the radio but that we
> >> were not going to be able to mount the radio back on the house due to
> >> its condition. Homeowner blows up goes inside and comes back out with
> >> a shotgun and tells the tech to take the equipment otherwise he was
> >> going to blow his head off.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> I’ve personally have had people walk up on me while working at a site
> >> in the early morning hours like at 1-2am. Nothing came of them – they
> >> were just intoxicated out wandering I guess.
> >>
> >> I also, completely on accident, hit a guy with a half full 44 ounce
> >> soda who was digging in one of our dumpsters at 3am. I was working
> >> late and was finished and cleaning up, the dumpster is probably 15’ or
> >> so from the door of the shelter. I walked out and took a couple of
> >> steps towards my van and threw my soda into the dumpster. Unbeknown to
> >> me he was digging through the dumpster and I nailed him right in the
> >> head and the cup burst on him. He was slightly peeved and started
> >> towards me. All I could think to grab was my mag light out of the
> >> passenger seat of my van. I told him if he got any closer that we were
> >> going to find out how well the flashlight held up being used like a bat.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:08 PM
> >> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
> >> Mitigation.
> >>
> >> alot is dependent on area. Urban, most definitely allow for self
> >> defense weapons withing local applicable law. If you have a 2A guy who
> >> gets harmed and you have a policy disallowing self defense, then thats
> >> a liability, then again so is a yahoo with a gun in your truck.
> >>
> >> We go into too many banks and schools, and other prohibited location,
> >> i would not carry at

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