Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Stefan Englhardt]

Regardless if they call it LTE+ or 5g. Stuff gets faster, latency goes down and 
more spectrum is used for increased capacity. And of course a marketing 
buzzword is needed. In some places LTE is realy fast now already. This carrier 
stuff is using spectrum very efficient.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: David M  
Datum: 27.03.18  02:42  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Stefan Englhardt]

I cant understand why Cambium opens up another additional platform. Why not 
develop 450 line further implementing some physical layer goodies of LTE. I've 
seen this step with Wimax/PMP320 and all know where this ended up.

Once they implemented LTE stuff it is outdated as 5G is moving in. 


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af  Im Auftrag von Matt Hoppes
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. März 2018 20:37
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
> 
> What’s known about the Cambium LTE product so far?

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Stefan Englhardt]

At some time vendors have to make a technology-jump to advance.

 

 

Von: Af  Im Auftrag von Mark Radabaugh
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. März 2018 13:12
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

 

To be fair by the time Cambium (really Motorola) gave up there was very little 
point left in it.   Having a 450AP slow down enough to talk to a 2X FSK radio 
at 14Mbps meant you might as well not put up a 450AP.We are finding it 
painful to have 430SM’s on 450 AP’s for the same reason and are having to pull 
those off the network due to the capacity hit on the AP’s.  It’s nice that we 
can do that gradually, but there is no way I would want to have FSK SM’s on a 
450i or 450m AP.

 

Mark





On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
 > wrote:

 

We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles! 

 



Matt

 

From: Af <  af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

 

*cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson <  
li...@mtin.net> wrote:

FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would connect 
to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the cool 
features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the same 
philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with 
some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some pretty 
cool options for folks new to ePMP.

 

 

Justin Wilson

  j...@mtin.net

 

 

 www.mtin.net

 

 www.midwest-ix.com






On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl <  
darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:

 

This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP 2000.

 

This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a little 
later like Q2.

 

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett <  
af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
that's not the reason behind the delay.



-
Mike Hammett
 

 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 

  

  

  

 
 

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 

Re: [AFMUG] Radwin Announces mesh 60ghz at MWC

[Stefan Englhardt]

With mesh and beamforming sectors half a mile is realistic

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> 
Datum: 26.02.18  17:53  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Radwin Announces mesh 60ghz at MWC 

Their picture suggesting mult-mile shots on 60Ghz is... extremely optimistic to 
say it delicately.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:
Would be perfect when ignitenet makes their stuff compatible. Both are based on 
WiGIG so should be possible.  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag 
von Gino A. Villarini
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 17:08
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] Radwin Announces mesh 60ghz at MWC Based on Facebook 
Terragraph Project  https://www.radwin.com/press-room/60ghz-mesh-terragraph 
Gino A. VillariniPresidentMetro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 
00968

Re: [AFMUG] Radwin Announces mesh 60ghz at MWC

[Stefan Englhardt]

Would be perfect when ignitenet makes their stuff compatible. Both are based
on WiGIG so should be possible.

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino A. Villarini
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 17:08
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] Radwin Announces mesh 60ghz at MWC

 

Based on Facebook Terragraph Project 

 

https://www.radwin.com/press-room/60ghz-mesh-terragraph


 

Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Stefan Englhardt]

Realy hard conditions. Why are you living there 

 

Guess you have to select equipment very carefuly. Dont want to climb even below 
0.

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Colin Stanners
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018 21:10
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

Speed and price look extremely impressive... but it's not rated to operate in 
cold weather (only down to -30 Celsius) therefore not an option for us in 
why-are-you-living-there central Canada.

 

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

Still everything on plain 802.11 or is tdma done?

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von Mathew Howard
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018 19:45
An: af <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

Pricing isn't bad at all, the AP is only about $1k, which is actually cheaper 
than a lot of 5ghz systems when you consider that it covers 360 degrees, and 
there aren't any other antennas involved. The clients are a bit pricey 
though... ranging from around $300-$600... realistically, probably around $500 
for most customers.

I have one sitting here ready to go up as soon as the weather is good enough 
that I can get myself to climb up a tower... one of our service techs lives 
close enough to the tower that I'm planning on putting it on to work at 60ghz, 
so that should be a good test.

 

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Nice.  How does the price compare to other PMP solutions?

 

From: Mathew Howard 

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:25 AM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

It is dual frequency. It's got a built in 5ghz omni as well as the three 60ghz 
radio... it actually has a 2.4ghz radio in there to, although I can't imagine 
actually using that.

 

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a dual freq 
with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you put up the 60 
GHz and hope for the best?

 

From: Gino A. Villarini 

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector 

 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of 
Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

What's the beamwidth on this?

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

 


 

Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968




 

Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Stefan Englhardt]

Still everything on plain 802.11 or is tdma done?

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mathew Howard
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018 19:45
An: af 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

Pricing isn't bad at all, the AP is only about $1k, which is actually cheaper 
than a lot of 5ghz systems when you consider that it covers 360 degrees, and 
there aren't any other antennas involved. The clients are a bit pricey 
though... ranging from around $300-$600... realistically, probably around $500 
for most customers.

I have one sitting here ready to go up as soon as the weather is good enough 
that I can get myself to climb up a tower... one of our service techs lives 
close enough to the tower that I'm planning on putting it on to work at 60ghz, 
so that should be a good test.

 

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM,  > 
wrote:

Nice.  How does the price compare to other PMP solutions?

 

From: Mathew Howard 

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:25 AM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

It is dual frequency. It's got a built in 5ghz omni as well as the three 60ghz 
radio... it actually has a 2.4ghz radio in there to, although I can't imagine 
actually using that.

 

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM,  > 
wrote:

Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a dual freq 
with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you put up the 60 
GHz and hope for the best?

 

From: Gino A. Villarini 

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector 

 

From: Af  > on behalf of 
Jason McKemie  >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

What's the beamwidth on this?

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini  > wrote:

 


 

Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968




 

Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Announces New 10 Gigabit

[Stefan Englhardt]

They have a promotion for the 5Gbps Model running. On their website is a
link calculator.

In our region 2.5km is ok with 2ft. Longer does need a fallback link. Cant
modulate much .

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von ch...@wbmfg.com
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018 16:39
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] Siklu Announces New 10 Gigabit

 

I wonder what the real world distance usability is for this.  

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

[Stefan Englhardt]

At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should soon 
arrive at US Beta store. An airfiber class radio mounted to horns may give a 
real boost. There would be a lot capacity even using them at smaller Channels. 
They will use power below 10W and will be much cheaper than 450m so you could 
install a 360 degree cluster which you might densify at the direction where 
most customers live. Using an EP-S16 you could aggregate them to 10GE and feed 
them with a Licensed gear right up there. You only need to bring 48V DC up to 
the tower.


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 09:34
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
> 
> I agree, it makes sense if you already have a cambium network on 450.
> 
> For greenfield? Probably not.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:42 AM, George Skorup
>  wrote:
> > One 450m = two 450i in cost (roughly), but delivers 3-4x the
> > throughput based on real-world results. Yes, it *can* talk to 7 SMs in the
> same frame.
> > But even Cambium said 3-4 is realistic. Maybe 5 in the right
> > conditions. And you don't have to visit a single customer site. And
> > instead of pointing 3x 20MHz channels the same direction, you need
> > only one. Plus there's 30 and 40MHz support. Like Sean said, just another
> tool in the toolbox.
> >
> > On 2/13/2018 1:26 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >>
> >> I was saying one direction IS 90 degrees in the "standard tower plan"
> >> :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> how else would you suggest building a tower?!?!
> >>>
> >>> friends don't let friends use omni's ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:15 AM, Josh Reynolds
> >>> 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  If you do the standard 4xAP so you can do 2 channels and back to
>  back frequency reuse, 90 degrees is one direction...
> 
>  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:12 AM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
> >
> > actually you don't want them all in one direction, you want the
> > clients evenly spread in a 90* swath so that you can take
> > advantage of the MU-MIMO.
> >
> > we have clients connected out to 8 miles running in 6x (which is
> > 64qam).
> >
> > it actually saves on tower rent because to do the same thing with
> > regular
> > 450 APs (which we were prior to deploying the 450m's) you would
> > need 3 APs each using 20Mhz so 60Mhz total of spectrum used.
> >
> > win, win, win.
> >
> > but i also wouldn't install them at every tower.
> >
> > 2 cents
> >
> > -sean
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
> > 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm just saying it doesn't make sense, unless all your clients
> >> are short range, in all one direction, and tower rent is costly.
> >>
> >> It's a niche of a niche.
> >>
> >> (I'm not saying it is a bad product, I'm not saying that at all,
> >> I'm just saying it's not the second coming like people make it
> >> out to be.)
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:55 AM, Sean Heskett 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Then by all means don’t deploy any 450m’s josh.  Geeze dude take
> >>> a chill pill.
> >>>
> >>> I’m just stating what I have on my network in a real world
> >>> environment, earning me real world dollars and conserving much
> >>> needed spectrum.
> >>>
> >>> It’s not the right tool for every situation, BUT under the right
> >>> conditions the 450m delivers.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers bud
> >>>
> >>> -sean
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:46 PM Josh Reynolds
> >>> 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  Further note: You can see I did those calcs at 1024QAM, so
>  reduce that down the 256QAM for closer to real numbers :)
> 
>  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Josh Reynolds
>  
>  wrote:
> >
> > Let's break this down a bit.
> >
> > Firstly, what outdoor PTMP platform is really using WiFi anymore?
> > *shakes head*
> >
> > Mu-MIMO only works if the clients are sufficiently spread
> > apart (physically), and their tx/rx windows can fit into
> > almost the same timeframe. Any degradation in signal of one
> > client that ends up in the same window as other clients
> > reduces the overall capacity of the AP (like in many other
> > situations). It can, in some situations, lead to cumulative
> > transfer windows where overall throughput ends up getting
> > reduced as the rx/tx hold time for the other clients end up
> > taking a hit in 

Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

[Stefan Englhardt]

They additional go down from a 2000MHz Channel to a 500MHz Channel to 
concentrate power.

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Kuhnke
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Januar 2018 18:48
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

 

This is not extremely new in 80 GHz, just with different and denser 
modulations. The Siklu 80 GHz stuff has done adaptive coding and modulation for 
a while. The (now 7 year old!) Bridgewave adaptrate 80 GHz stuff would maintain 
a 100 Mbps link during a rain fade, by switching a nominally QPSK-modulated 
1500 MHz wide channel for 1 Gbps, temporarily down to BPSK during a rain fade 
event. 

 

 

 

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

Some vendors do some new things to stretch the range of 80GHz:

 

http://de.nec.com/de_DE/global/prod/nw/pasolink/products/ipasolinkEX_advanced.html?

 

They modulate down and then reduce channel size.

 

This gear is in the 20kEuro Range …

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von Faisal Imtiaz
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Januar 2018 17:08
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

 

We have two things to contend with... 

one is Oxygen Absorption

second is Rain Fade

 

Science says, 24ghz has much less O2 absorption fade vs 80ghz

Science also says that 24ghz has slightly less Rain fade vs 80ghz

 

Science also says that if on a particular link, if one is comparing 24ghz vs 
80ghz, the difference in which link drops first will be based on the TX power / 
Antenna Gain and Rx sensitivity.

 

If all things were exactly the same, then 80ghz would drop before 24ghz in Rain 
event.

But in reality, all things are not the same.. I believe 80ghz one is allowed 
more power, and higher antenna gain.

 

 

https://www.e-band.com/index.php?id=86

 

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dont-fall-siklu-overbuilds-distance-claims-david-theodore

 

 

at 3.5miles, one is pushing the limits of both 24gzh as well as 80ghz.. 
Depending on what you are trying to achieve, and the rainzone, you can make 
your choice based on what will perform better normally... cause both of them 
will go out in rain :)

 

Best of Luck

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518> 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>  Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> 

 


  _  


From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> >
To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:42:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

I'd guess 24ghz would be slightly better, but either one is going to drop at 
that distance if you ever get heavy rain.

 

Somebody from Siklu told me at one time, that some of their customers have told 
then that their rainfade is slightly better than an AF24, but slightly worse 
than an AF24HD... how accurate that is, I don't know. 

 

On Jan 19, 2018 6:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

I haven’t run the numbers so please save me some time.  Which one has less fade 
margin at 3.5 miles?  I was going to use Siklu with a 2’ antenna.

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37=gmail=g> th 
Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542 <tel:(602)%20426-0542> 

r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> 

www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/> 

 

“"Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features 
yet."— Scott Adams 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

[Stefan Englhardt]

Some vendors do some new things to stretch the range of 80GHz:

 

 

 
http://de.nec.com/de_DE/global/prod/nw/pasolink/products/ipasolinkEX_advanced.html?

 

They modulate down and then reduce channel size.

 

This gear is in the 20kEuro Range …

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Faisal Imtiaz
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Januar 2018 17:08
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

 

We have two things to contend with... 

one is Oxygen Absorption

second is Rain Fade

 

Science says, 24ghz has much less O2 absorption fade vs 80ghz

Science also says that 24ghz has slightly less Rain fade vs 80ghz

 

Science also says that if on a particular link, if one is comparing 24ghz vs 
80ghz, the difference in which link drops first will be based on the TX power / 
Antenna Gain and Rx sensitivity.

 

If all things were exactly the same, then 80ghz would drop before 24ghz in Rain 
event.

But in reality, all things are not the same.. I believe 80ghz one is allowed 
more power, and higher antenna gain.

 

 

https://www.e-band.com/index.php?id=86

 

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dont-fall-siklu-overbuilds-distance-claims-david-theodore

 

 

at 3.5miles, one is pushing the limits of both 24gzh as well as 80ghz.. 
Depending on what you are trying to achieve, and the rainzone, you can make 
your choice based on what will perform better normally... cause both of them 
will go out in rain :)

 

Best of Luck

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
 

 

  _  

From: "Mathew Howard"  >
To: "af"  >
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:42:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

I'd guess 24ghz would be slightly better, but either one is going to drop at 
that distance if you ever get heavy rain.

 

Somebody from Siklu told me at one time, that some of their customers have told 
then that their rainfade is slightly better than an AF24, but slightly worse 
than an AF24HD... how accurate that is, I don't know. 

 

On Jan 19, 2018 6:03 PM, "Rory Conaway"  > wrote:



I haven’t run the numbers so please save me some time.  Which one has less fade 
margin at 3.5 miles?  I was going to use Siklu with a 2’ antenna.

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37  th 
Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542  

r...@triadwireless.net  

www.triadwireless.net  

 

“"Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features 
yet."— Scott Adams 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Computer Image backup/restore

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes. Go virtual where possible. We use Vmware Esxi 6.5 which is free and has a 
Web admin interface. With ghettoVCB which is free we do backups while machines 
are running to a NAS. If the vmware machine dies we could start up the virtual 
machines from a second vmware server right from the NAS. Makes me sleep better 
than with HW which could fail and  it may last a day until restored. There are 
old win2003 virtual servers which you don't want to have on their original 
Hardware...

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Faisal Imtiaz  
Datum: 22.12.17  16:37  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Computer Image backup/restore 

FYI... Just because Norton Ghost is being discoed, it does not mean that your 
copy will stop working.
    (At the end of the day, these are 'disc duplicators' / bit copiers)
    There are a number of Open Source alternatives available... e.g  Clonezilla 
, Partimage, FOG Projects etc etc etc.

Having said that.. My personal suggestion for you would be to re-think running 
stand alone machines and consider virtualization..
It may be a bit of a learning curve in the beginning, but moving forward in the 
future, it is going to save you a lot of time and grief.
(since VM's are just another File..doing backup other maint. events are easy as 
pie ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:06:30 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Computer Image backup/restore
Normally backups around here are file-based, I.E. I want to make sure I don't 
lose data.
I have a couple of computers now which I really would hate to have to rebuild 
due to hardware failure.  These are generally computers which run a machine, 
such as the automatic test system and the pick and place machine.   These 
machines area all typically single-drive (non-mirrored) mostly off the shelf 
hardware running various versions of windows.   I'd like to take a full image, 
and have at least a reasonable chance of putting it back on similar hardware 
(probably same motherboard, maybe different storage medium) and it just work.  
It used to be that the tool for this was Norton Ghost.   But that's been 
discontinued (and I understand it was going downhill before that).  So I'm 
looking for whatever the current modern version is.
I know there's a few tools out there which do this (Macrium, Acronis, etc).   
But the reviews are all littered with failures.   Unfortunately it's hard to 
tell how much of this is lack of clue and how much of this is broken software.
I'm wondering if anyone has experience with using these modern equivalents?  
Preferably something which runs on a range of Windows OS'es, and can dump the 
image onto NAS.
-- 
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 
59602forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes. We’re only buying .ac for a year now while cambium still has no selling 
date. And there is nothing wrong with UBNT ac.

This LTU stuff might be the hot topic next year if UBNT gets the SW done …

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 19:29
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

 

My point is that Ubiquiti is on Gen 2, Mimosa has been out 2 years, both 
companies have horn antenna options either internally or through RF Elements 
which reduces the need for GPS but they both have that option.  Both products 
are already delivering massive improvements over 802.11n and both companies 
have been bringing out firmware upgrades that are going to make it extremely 
difficult to want to add another company to the mix this late in the game.  Now 
you have Ubiquiti testing LTU and who knows what Mimosa will have by then.   

It’s good to see Motorola, err, Cambium come out in 802.11ac but if it doesn’t 
walk on water or penetrate buildings, it’s going to be very hard to justify 
adding it to the tool box 3-4 years after the first 802.11ac products came to 
market.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.  

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:10 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

 

Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out Q1 2018 
(I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially going to be 
PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the year.

 

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway  > wrote:

802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

 

WAY better than prism!

 

-sean

 

 

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

So, better than Prism?

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

 

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro.   

 

It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SFP compatibility with Mikrotik ccr1072

[Stefan Englhardt]

Regardless what you do you have to test and hope.

 

We have a Lumina Link with builtin fiber. On one side a netonix-switch with a 
Mikrotik SFP had the problem that Lumina shows half-duplex and some errors. 
After upgrading Netonix this seems to be ok.

Upgrading the Lumina make the connection on the other side (KTI-Switch with 
LevelOne SFP) fail while the Netonix side still works. Links up but no data 
flow. Downgrading the Luminas made it working again.

 

So there are different kinds of incompatibility and they depend on used 
Firmware. Where possible I use good old Ethernet …

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Steve Jones
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2017 16:12
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] SAF SFP compatibility with Mikrotik ccr1072

 

we are quoted I0AOM001 - N on an integra link. I dont see this module listed on 
the mikrotik compatibility chart. Has anybody here used them with the ccr1072?

 

I apparently need to do LACP bonding as well. Im debating on whether to do this 
in our procurve switches (which seem compatible with everything) or to do it in 
the router directly

 

Never done it so i dont know if its a good idea to combine mikrotik quirks with 
unknown compatible modules with a technique Ive never done

[AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Stefan Englhardt]

Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which ASes
traffic goes.

What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core
routers.

 

Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems lot of
work to install.

 

Thanks,

Stefan

 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Powerbox Short Circuit Message

[Stefan Englhardt]

Omnitik ac with poe out comes with 28V ...

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Mathew Howard  Datum: 
03.11.17  15:49  (GMT+01:00) An: af  
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Powerbox Short Circuit Message 

Re: [AFMUG] Considerations for upgrading passed SAF Lumina link

[Stefan Englhardt]

The installation/maintenance cost is another consideration. My SAF links are 
more expensive than my Mimosa B5 Links. But they are install and forgot for a 
longer time. We have a lot of work so putting more money into gear that last 
longer is a good invest. Of course if a link is $30k ... 

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Rory Conaway  
Datum: 28.10.17  23:22  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Considerations for upgrading passed SAF Lumina link 

Re: [AFMUG] Considerations for upgrading passed SAF Lumina link

[Stefan Englhardt]

SAF again. Very stable HW.

 

We have done a NEC 18GHz Link recently as SAF had not enough TX-Power to get
2048QAM at 10km using 2ft dishes. Runs very reliable and is well built, too.
I dont like 3ft dishes as they get a lot windload and handling/alignment is
more difficult.

 

AF-11x got some SW Updates recently but still seems a bit of "cheap built"
for a licensed link.  But if there are backup links it might be
considerable. Cheap enough to keep spare parts.

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Paul McCall
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Oktober 2017 13:52
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] Considerations for upgrading passed SAF Lumina link

 

We have a 4 year old Lumina link from our core, 12.9 miles, 11Ghz with 3ft
dishes on each end,  that doesn't have enough BW for us long term, as we are
going to do another hop from there (7.3 miles), then FTTH.  

 

I get around 270Mbit from it, and we already use 120Mit pretty consistently
and if another tower OSPFs to it, more than that.  Sooo, I am looking for
alternatives.   Its mainly one-way traffic of course, so a solution that
favored that would be acceptable.

 

Cost is a factor of course, as I also have a "parallel path" a few miles
south to do the same on very soon.  Something that could use the same dishes
from the SAF would be good also.

 

I have some undeployed Mimosa B11's that we bought for a project and are
still waiting on some tower rights to get settled. I could use those, or
maybe AF-11X or multiples thereof.  I might as well plan for the future
since this is a "main artery" link.  We have sufficient 11 Ghz channels
available to license.

 

Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated !

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Stefan Englhardt]

We replaced 2 of the units.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Matt Hoppes  
Datum: 20.10.17  13:14  (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Stefan Englhardt]

We have 3 links in operation. Gen1 and Gen2 HW. All below 500m. All work stable 
now. Quality is MT/UBNT like. You see this with alignment. It just is not as 
precise compared to licensed or af5x. The new mount is better but sharp edged. 
It is great for the price.
60Ghz is a great option as it keeps 5GHz free...

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Rory Conaway  
Datum: 20.10.17  07:02  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

Re: [AFMUG] {Disarmed} Fwd: Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Stefan Englhardt]

Quality/Usage differs with every product and firmware. MT and UBNT go forward 
but every now and then they step back. UBNT made big progress with their 
wireless stuff. Their AC line is quite good now (for a wifi-product). The prism 
station is very well designed. RF-Element planned a radio without cables to 
attach to their horns but never did it. This gives 2 connectors and a jumper 
cable less on the signal path. Ubnt copied the design but changed the way it is 
mounted.

 

I am very eager to see how the LTU radios perform with the same hardware. If it 
is an upgrade to the AF5x it will be a real winner.

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Steve Jones
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Oktober 2017 17:11
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] {Disarmed} Fwd: Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. FCC ID Application 
for New Equipment

 

I wish that ubnt would separate airfiber so when im bitching about the garbage 
ubnt creates its clear im not talking about AF 

 

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:52 PM, Mathew Howard  > wrote:

The ethernet ports do tend to be a little touchy on airfibers, but otherwise 
they pretty much just work like they're supposed to, in my experience.

 

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

Only issue I ever had was caused by auto-negotiation of LAN ports...locked them 
on AF5x and switches...they have been solid in RF hostile environment.  

 

On Oct 10, 2017 9:05 PM, "Adair Winter"  > wrote:

We have probably 30 or 40 links worth of af5x that work fine. 

 

On Oct 10, 2017 7:34 PM, "Colin Stanners"  > wrote:

What problem(s)?

 

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Mitch Koep  > wrote:

Would like the AF5s and AF5X I have to work correctly

been months working with support

 

On 10/10/2017 1:32 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Fancy new and fast AF5XHD

 

-- Forwarded message --
From: FCC ID Alert  >
Date: Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:30 PM
Subject: Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
To: cstann...@gmail.com  


A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. for New 
Equipment.
See FCC ID SWX-AF5XHD 

  
Equipment Authorized: Digital Transmission Radio

unsubscribe 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] MetroLinq 2.5G 60-BF-18 (120 Degree Sector)

[Stefan Englhardt]

The ptmp-sector has very low gain compared to the ptp product. So cpes have to 
be very close. Hard to find more than 8 clients this near ...

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von fiber...@mail.com
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Oktober 2017 09:22
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] MetroLinq 2.5G 60-BF-18 (120 Degree Sector)
> 
> Ignitenet uses 2 Ghz channels, so there are only three channels available, 
> but a
> vendor representative has stated that you can reuse frequencies in an ABAB
> pattern. Of note is that even if it has 16 beams of 10 degrees, it can only
> support 8 clients. It's unclear whether a later upgrade to 32 clients requires
> new hardware or not. The 2.5G bandwidth is aggregate, so you cannot do
> more than 1G symmetrical. Asymmetric speeds are supported.
> 
> 
> Website and datasheet:
> https://www.ignitenet.com/products/ml-2-5g-60-bf-sector/
> https://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/MetroLinq-2.5G-60-
> BF-sector-datasheet.pdf
> 
> Jared
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017
> From: "Ryan Ray" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] MetroLinq 2.5G 60-BF-18 (120 Degree Sector)
> 
> Searched around and didn't see anyone talking about these. Do they work?
> Can I put three of these up channels 2,3,4 and have 360 degree gigabit
> coverage in 60GHz? Any gotcha's I need to know? Does frequency reuse work?
> Same range as the existing point to point model?
> 
> So many applications if this is all the case.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Stefan Englhardt]

Heard LiFePO is the best for island-systems now. Should do more cycles and 
should allow to do deeper cycles without degrading. So smaller batteries should 
be possible which saves space and money.

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Harold Bledsoe
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. August 2017 13:44
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

 

This. 

 

We do systems like this as well using Cenga:

 

http://www.cengapower.com/

 

If you are doing pure backup, AGM is hard to beat because of zero maintenance, 
lower cost, and low cycles involved with backup only. 

 

If you want to island or go off-grid with part of the house with daily cycling, 
the best choices are forklift batteries or lithium ion. Golf cart batteries 
don't work out financially for daily cycling compared to those. 

 

The federal tax incentives makes adding panels essentially free. If you are 
lucky to live in a state friendly to solar with state incentives, the system 
gets pretty darn cheap!

 

I personally am not a believer in netmetering anymore. I started out with 
netmetering and ended up taking most of the house islanded. Why? The power 
companies don't want to do it so they eventually will find a way to kill it. My 
power company added a netmetering fee of $10/kW installed per month. So I'm 
islanded now.

 

Hal

 

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM Zach Underwood  > wrote:

1 watt of lead battery does not equal 1 watt of lithium ion. With lead acid you 
can only take them to about 40-50% depth of discharge but with the lithium ion 
you can get like 80-90% depth of discharge. Also the number of discharge is 
only like 1000-3000 cycles where with lithium it can be as high as 9000 cycles. 
The number of cycles is less of a problem in a grid connected back up only but 
if off grid solar then with lead you would have to replace every 2-3 years 
where with lithium it could be every 5-10 years.

When I was looking into solar this year the 10 year cost of lithium was cheaper 
then lead. 

Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)

http://ZachUnderwood.me

advance-networking.com  



 

On Aug 30, 2017 9:13 PM, "Mathew Howard"  > wrote:

Tesla Powerwall looks to be 14kWh, so you'd be looking at about $2100 worth of 
batteries to get the equivalent. I don't see anything on Tesla's website about 
what size inverter it comes with, but from what I'm seeing on Google, it looks 
to only be 5kW.

You'd also have to come up with some kind of a charger if you don't have solar.

 

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with RMP in 
Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.

-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Ok.

Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?

I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

How many kwh is that?
Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -

$150 per kWh.
Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.

Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers running 
at the same time.
So $1500 for an inverter.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com  '
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my 
utility room?

I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home 
inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery array 
for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide for 
electricians to make this.

Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹

-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Fire ??? Can you tell me more?

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 14:16:30 +
 <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
But aren’t those other countries still beating rocks 
together to make fire?


I was always told there is the USA and there is jungle 
and desert everywhere else.


From: Stephen Patrick 
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?


We sell in over 70 countries!
Some countries, it is allowed

Best regards
Stephen


On 25 July 2017 at 15:09, Faisal Imtiaz 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:


 >>>>1&2 foot antennas on 6 GHz?  Is that even legal?

 Not in the USA

 (You have to keep in mind that CableFree is a Global 
Mfg out of UK, I believe they are trying to get up to 
speed with the USA markets, rules and regulations :)  )


 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net



--

   From: ch...@wbmfg.com
   To: af@afmug.com
   Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:51:24 AM
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

   1&2 foot antennas on 6 GHz?  Is that even legal?

   From: Stephen Patrick
   Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 5:06 AM
   To: af@afmug.com
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

   CableFree FOR3
   www.cablefree.net/for3

   880Mbps full duplex, if you can get a wide channel to 
operate in.

   1024QAM modulation.

   No "license keys": you get the full capacity and 
features with no "locked features" or restrictions.

   That price includes 1ft antennas.  2ft is similar.

   Best regards
   Stephen


   On 24 July 2017 at 21:45, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:


 Under $4k for a complete licensed link? what kind 
of capacity are we talking about for that price?



 On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Stephen Patrick 
<stephen.patr...@cablefree.co.uk> wrote:


   The Table is great - but under CableFree no 
specific product shown, and the price for that shown 
(10Gbps) is no longer current.
   CableFree have 100's of options for links.  Start 
at under USD 4k a link for complete licensed links.
   Might be good to include a wide ranger in the 
sheet, or simply put a range "4k to 20k, depends on 
options"


   The sheet is a great idea, just needs some 
refining!


   Best regards
   Stephen


   On 24 July 2017 at 18:43, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:


 It's a stickied post on the TBW FB page:

 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rxpeVcx-98ZsU_Fc12AxVaBOp3I6MgDatccQjjI63-Y/edit?usp=drivesdk




 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions

 Midwest Internet Exchange

 The Brothers WISP






--

 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 12:42:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?


 Like to see a matrix of prices and throughputs. 


 From: Stephen Patrick
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:24 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

 I'm told that we're competitive!

 Welcome to drop a mail to discuss
 sa...@cablefree.net

 Comments & questions welcome -
 Best regards
 Stephen



 On 24 July 2017 at 13:52, Jon Langeler 
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote:


   Pricing is same or lower than everyone else?


   Jon Langeler
   Michwave Technologies, Inc.


   On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick 
<stephen.patr...@cablefree.co.uk> wrote:



 CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz 
(includes L and U bands)

 1024QAM modulation.

 www.cablefree.net/hcr

 I hope that helps,

 Best regards
 Stephen





 On 21 July 2017 at 21:04, <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
wrote:


   What is the total throughput and price of 
these?


   From: Gino A. Villarini
   Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
   To: af@afmug.com
   Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio 
options?


   SIAE Also Plus 2
   Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820

   Anything im missing?




 Gino A. Villarini

 President 
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 
Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 


   











- GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net --
Genias Internet
Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net
Dr. Gesslerstr. 20   D-93051 Regensburg
Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Stefan Englhardt]

We see this pricing with SIAE Alfoplus (last gen radio). 1024QAM 450 Mbps FDX 
including Antenna.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Mathew Howard  
Datum: 24.07.17  22:45  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af  
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? 

Re: [AFMUG] PTP600 takes a licking...

[Stefan Englhardt]

One of our PTP600 lost front cover this week. It was a strong wind but not 
hard. Runs for several years now. Runs without cover until we replace it next 
week. I guess the plastic is not built to last forever.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Mark Radabaugh  
Datum: 14.07.17  16:33  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: [AFMUG] PTP600 takes a licking... 

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix or equivalent POE for BOTH Mimosa and Cambium PMP gear

[Stefan Englhardt]

For small sites I would have a look at Routerboard hEX PoE, PowerBox Pro. 
You could power them with 24 or 48. They dont convert Voltage. So feeded by 
24 they deliver 24 ... They could do Passive 802.3af/at. There is a 
HW-GE-Switch inside which connects all 5 Ethernetports. The SFP Port could 
be bridged with SW.


You could power them with POE or you could feed them with DC.


On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:17:17 +
 "Gino A. Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

None are switches, any issues with Netonix?

From: Af 
<af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on 
behalf of Sam Lambie 
<samtaos...@gmail.com<mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Date: Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 5:56 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix or equivalent POE for BOTH 
Mimosa and Cambium PMP gear


That is just what I was looking for. I forgot about this 
piece of hardware. It won't be coming out until at least 
Sept though for round two of production.





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 
00968


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On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
<ericm...@gmail.com<mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

http://store.packetflux.com/packetflux-rackinjector/

Looks interesting. I wonder if anyone has one out in the 
wild yet. Far cheaper than a CTM2 or a CMM5


On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Sam Lambie 
<samtaos...@gmail.com<mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Is there a POE switch that will power 450 AP/BH and 
Mimosa and UBNT gear in the same box?

Sam

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Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

[Stefan Englhardt]

There are other approaches. E.g. VW plan to do soft EVs which just use the 
Battery to store recuperation energy and use it to reduce gas consumption.
I am very eager to see what Model 3 does to the market. At the moment EVs 
are claimed to be the future but nobody buys them due to higher price. What 
we see is that E-Bikes/Pedelecs do more changes to how people are driving. 
Some cities in northern Europe try to reduce polution by making the city 
streets more safe for bicycles. No model for most US cities as they are more 
spacious.


On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 21:53:53 +
 Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
We are on our second.  The Bolt however, is a game 
changer.


Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown

Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 2:39 PM
To: Motorola III <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

I am on my third electric car.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 3:08 PM
To: Motorola III
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

And that depends on how long it takes for them to ramp 
up production (first part), and then if orders still keep 
coming in. All the other manufacturers are having trouble 
even selling electric cars (with the possible exception 
of the Chevy Bolt). So far the US of A has not been very 
friendly toward electric cars.


On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Yeah, I'm not sure that things like profits really 
matter that much to Tesla's stock price.


Seems to me like there's some easy money to be made 
here... the question is just how low it's going to drop 
before it starts going back up.


On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Model 3 is launching.  Long haul truck project is coming 
alive.  And irrespective of what the anal-ysts say, the 
success of SpaceX does give Tesla a bit of reflected 
glory.


From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 1:28 PM
To: Motorola III
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

Well. Do they even have a PE ratio? A lot of speculation 
until they have a consistent track record of profits.


On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Jeremy 
<jeremysmi...@gmail.com<mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Analysts at UBS say $160/share.  Hard to imagine it 
dropping that low though.


On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright 
<ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
Don’t catch a falling knife. Wait for the daily graph to 
show strength.


Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:13 PM
To: Motorola III
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

Skuttlebutt is that it's a risky buy right now.

May not feel the love until the September-November time 
frame.


-bp

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

You can't fall uptower of power.
Jaime Solorza

On Jul 6, 2017 1:09 PM, "Bill Prince" 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Buy at zero.

As Puba The Tuba once said; "When you're on the bottom, 
you can't fall down."


-bp

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Robert Andrews 
<i...@avantwireless.com<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> 
wrote:

At the bottom...


On 07/06/2017 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Dropping like a rock.  When to buy...?



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Re: [AFMUG] New AF5X using less power than older board revisions?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes. All my AF5X use ~10W. UBNT AC use 6W and older MT 11n use 3-4W. SAF is 
30-35. PTP600 is 50.


On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:04:44 +
 Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
I think you are thinking of the AF24 which cranks 50W 
all the time.


Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric 
Kuhnke

Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 6:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] New AF5X using less power than older 
board revisions?


Provisioning a new AF5X link here on their AC PoE 
injectors before they go out to the field. Something 
interesting I've noticed, and maybe I'm not remembering 
right, but it seems that the newer AF5X use less power 
than the older ones.


This unit with its ubnt default PoE injector plugged 
into a kill-a-watt is measuring 11 watts. There's no 
traffic going through it, but as I recall an AF5X uses 
pretty much the same amount whether or not it's under 
load, since the AF architecture is constantly 
sending/receiving frames whether or not they have an 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?

[Stefan Englhardt]

We fade out our usage based plans. *Every* single customer who had to pay 
surplus makes us a lot of work. Calls from each single family member, what 
IP is this. Why cant you tell me what x.y.z.w is. I dont use Akamai ...
You have to take care there is no angry escalating dispute for a view Euros. 
I am sure this service times cost us more money than the customers had to 
pay surplus. We have to do flat pricing.


On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:59:41 +
 "Wireless Administrator"  wrote:
This industry is in trouble.  Nobody wants usage based 
billing.  Customers don’t want it for obvious reasons. 
ISP’s are afraid to implement it for fear of losing 
customers.  If you lose money on an account is it really 
an asset to your business? I feel that the Large ISP’s 
have already implemented Usage Based Rate Adjustment. 
They seem to have an automated process to adjust rates 
that will force off the heavy users.  Our industry will 
not get respect until it asks for it.  UBB or UBRA (New 
term I coined) is the way ….




Steve



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark 
- Myakka Technologies

Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:07 PM
To: Simon Westlake
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB 
games?




Simon,

But metered billing makes them think about what they are 
doing.  Does the baby need to be falling asleep watching 
a 4K movie?  The best way I can put it is renting an 
apartment with utilities included.  If I'm renting an 
apartment in FL with electric included, my AC is going to 
be set at 68 24/7.  The cat will be very comfortable all 
day, why should I care.  However, if I'm paying for 
electric, the cat will have to deal with 78 during the 
day and I may have to deal with 72 when I get home.


Bandwidth prices are dropping for some, but for others 
it is still expensive.  Not to mention the HW costs to 
upgrade your network to handle the higher bandwidth 
internally.  

4K tvs cost more to buy than 1080  or 720 TV's.  Why 
should someone who is willing to stream at 720 or pay for 
satellite TV, be forced to pay the same as that guy that 
wants to watch in 4K.  Why should a single person who 
just needs dependable fast internet occasionally be force 
to pay the same amount as the family with 6 kids and 30 
devices?  Why should the kid willing to buy his game on a 
disc be forced to pay the same as the guy who doesn't 
want to get up off the couch to change a disc?  

Why is it we are the only industry that is expected to 
deliver a top notch fast and reliable service at a single 
low price.  The electric company gets to charge per KW, 
the all you can eat buffet charges per person, the cell 
phone company charges per device, cable/satellite charges 
per box, hell even the streaming companies get to put 
limits on the number of people that can stream per 
account.  Why is it when we ask a heavy user to pay their 
fair share all hell breaks lose and we are the greedy 
bastards? 




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Wednesday, June 21, 2017, 1:11:27 PM, you wrote:


The problem with metered billing is that it doesn't 
solve the problem. The customer still purchased a game 
they want to download, or they have a 4K TV they want to 
watch movies on. Most people are just going to look for 
other options if they have to pay every time they try to 
use a device in their household, and even if people are 
willing to pay, you still have to be able to deliver 
enough service to them to give them the speeds they want.


Until there is more spectrum available, I think DPI is a 
much better solution.. you can deprioritize and shape 
things like game downloads, and prioritize/shape their 
video streaming. I wish there was a better option, but I 
really don't think implementing UBB is a solution to this 
problem. It may give you more money to build up your 
network a bit, but it is poison to most customer's ears, 
and it won't change their behavior that much unless it's 
extremely painful for them financially.


On 6/21/2017 10:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


metered billing.. wave of the future



On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Adam Moffett < 
 dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:



I read some scary stuff the other day along a similar 
vein.


Basically if you're selling 25mbps then you'll need a 
4:1 oversubscription ratio to support peak hours hi def 
streaming without complaint.
As adoption of 4K video increases, that ratio will 
approach 1:1.  You'll have to either start supplying 
100meg, or start billing for consumptionor jack the 

Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Stefan Englhardt]

The market situaition is much better now since these two entered the market. 
Esp. the 60GHz stuff is a very valuable option connecting small cells 
without eating 5GHz. UBNT AC needed a long time but starts to be the 5GHz 
PTMP Champ now. This filtering stuff together with horns and sync helps a 
lot increasing tower capacity. 450 is better on the radio side but pricing 
...



On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:09:08 +
 "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd bet Mimosa and IgniteNet are smaller and hungrier.


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From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/19/2017 4:06:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

AirSync wasted too much throughput. Supposedly the new 
platform doesn't have an aggregate throughput penalty (or 
at least minimizes it).


Cambium generally has been more receptive to feedback, 
but neither are as good at accepting feedback and 
actually acting on it as Mimosa and IgniteNet.




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From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:03:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

AirSync was a thing at least 5 years ago.  What's 
different now?
Cambium has a consistent track record of quality, and 
that goes a long way towards not going to R.I.P. any time 
soon.


I am honestly interested in Ubiquiti's future LTU product 
though.  I think tying themselves to a WiFi chipset holds 
them back and it will be interesting to see what they do 
with a software defined radio.



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From: "Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/19/2017 3:55:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

I'll get the conversations going again.. UBNT now has 
working sync R.I.P Cambium



On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

ssshhh..children sleeping

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

Just overly quiet.

Jerry Head wrote:

Yep.

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Is this thing on?



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Re: [AFMUG] Need a better mikrotik tunnel than EOIP

[Stefan Englhardt]

There are routerboards with ipsec hardware encryption. E.g. the cheap hex.

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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Stefan Englhardt]

 somewhere
around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps 
at 256qam.


On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com>

eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical 
single 40 MHz
wide FDD channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 
1024QAM bps/Hz
efficiency would be significantly worse than a competing 
single polarity
product (SAF Integra, etc) running in the same channel 
size. Unless you are
counting more expensive competing products that 
advertise header
compression and very different Mbps rates for 64-byte vs 
much larger packet

sizes.

It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many 
things, my main
problem is that it can't actually *use* near the full 
width of an 80

MHz channel.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com

> wrote:

Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a 
single polarity on
a particular path, the AF11 is probably one of the last 
things I'd look at.

Congestion is a problem around here.


On 5/25/2017 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:


On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote:



We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't been able 
to get them
to run at 1024qam yet (antennas still need to be fine 
tuned, it wasn't
ideal weather conditions when we put them up, so I'm 
hoping we'll be able
to get a bit more out them), so they're only at around 
550Mbps capacity
(and I've verified the link will do around 500Mbps with 
real traffic).





Only 500 meg with two channels? Crap, I have an old 
Exalt that can do

that with only one channel at 256QAM.














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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Stefan Englhardt]

And as licensed spectrum has to be payed they are not cheap overall.

On Fri, 26 May 2017 16:07:38 +
 Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands 
is my biggest beef with the inexpensive licensed links on 
the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.   Yes they transfer a 
lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts 
of scarce spectrum in both H channels.


Mark


On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:


*sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.

No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for 
SWX-AF11




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From: "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just 
return a plain 'You are not authorized to access this 
page.' when following the link.


On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in 
the previous example I posted is actually something like 
33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on a $15,000 bench 
test spectrum analyzer.


On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < 
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>mhoward...@gmail.com 
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. 
Our old SAF Lumina can do 366mbps in a single polarity 
256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't even match that 
running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere 
around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 
256qam.


On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < 
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>eric.kuh...@gmail.com 
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical 
single 40 MHz wide FDD channel pair, one polarity, I 
don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz efficiency would be 
significantly worse than a competing single polarity 
product (SAF Integra, etc) running in the same channel 
size. Unless you are counting more expensive competing 
products that advertise header compression and very 
different Mbps rates for 64-byte vs much larger packet 
sizes.


It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many 
things, my main problem is that it can't actually use 
near the full width of an 80 MHz channel. 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com 
<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a 
single polarity on a particular path, the AF11 is 
probably one of the last things I'd look at. Congestion 
is a problem around here.



On 5/25/2017 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote:

We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't been able 
to get them to run at 1024qam yet (antennas still need to 
be fine tuned, it wasn't ideal weather conditions when we 
put them up, so I'm hoping we'll be able to get a bit 
more out them), so they're only at around 550Mbps 
capacity (and I've verified the link will do around 
500Mbps with real traffic).




Only 500 meg with two channels? Crap, I have an old 
Exalt that can do that with only one channel at 256QAM.











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Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF

[Stefan Englhardt]

be a major PITA.  So not sure if I 
can get permission.  Even then, we are talking about 5000 
feet of fiber to place.  There will be some money 
involved.


   Using wireless could be much cheaper.  Will 
have to do a solar install with the ONT and RF gear on a 
stub pole at the handhole. 

   Not sure what kid of RF.  Don’t want to use 
an AP because I need two layer 2 connections from the 
ONT.  Be more expensive to use an AP anyhow.  So two PTP 
systems.  Rock solid, never fail type of system.   Noise 
floor down there is probably pretty low. 
   I could use a pair of rockets etc.  Not 
wanting to lo-ball this, want it to be very solid. 


   What would you use?





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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT "LTE" or "LTE-U" product

[Stefan Englhardt]

Airfiber has gotten no updates for a long time. So these guys may work on LTU. 

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
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Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

[Stefan Englhardt]

same radio
architecture/software they have developed over a decade, 
on top of a 60GHz

radio instead of 5Ghz?

Is there some fundamental problem with using the same 
PHY later

protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?













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Re: [AFMUG] rb1100ahx2 bgp load

[Stefan Englhardt]

Works quite well and very stable on the bigger CCR models (memory). We use 
2x CCR1036-8G-2S+.
Eating one of the cpus for the bgp process. 1100AHx2 cpu is a bit slow. 
There is a newer 1100AHx4

which is twice as fast as 1100AHx2.

Mikrotik BGP Routers are holy cows. There are no updates/config changes at 
normal times.


On Tue, 9 May 2017 11:20:30 +
 Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
I hear there are some versions better than others in 
terms of BGP performance, but Mikrotik BGP really belongs 
on x86 boxes until v7 is out. 





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- Original Message -

From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
<p...@believewireless.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:59:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rb1100ahx2 bgp load 




Take a look at /tool profile (on in Winbox) to see where 
the CPU load is going. It is 
probably going to routing for BGP but you can verify it 
here. 



Is anything else running on the router? OSPF, VPN, 
PPPoE, etc? 



Where BGP really matters is when you lose one of your 
peers and it goes through 
and updates the tables. On lower powered boxes, this 
will peg the CPU and can 
cause OSPF flaps, dropped packets and other issues. 



On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Steve Jones < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 





We turned up BGP on one of our routers today, 2 peers, 
full routes, this is just one upstream, we will be 
turning up bgp with another provider shortly elsewhere on 
the network, I assume those tables will make their way to 
this router. 
load averaged 4-12% prior to turning up BGP now its 
running 60-90, even occasionally pegged 



is this a matter of tuning BGP and ROS packages, or is 
this just too much for the router? this is only at 
150mbps, as we increase capacity I feel we have already 
scaled out of this router if its not a misconfiguration 
of something on my end 





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Dr. Gesslerstr. 20   D-93051 Regensburg
Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9

Re: [AFMUG] Power Unifi VoIP phone with Mimosa power supply?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Cross checked. There are modes using all data pairs. Compliant devices do 
some checking at startup before powering. Not sure Mimosa claims the Power 
supply is af/at compliant.

Better ask mimosa ...

On Thu, 4 May 2017 19:34:27 +
 Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 5/4/17 12:20, Jay Weekley wrote:

So, would you try it?

On Thu May  4 15:00 , Seth Mattinen  sent:


On 5/4/17 11:51, Josh Luthman wrote:
Sounds like too much power on the data pairs to be 
802.3af...



Too much? at/af/bt is up to 57 volts.






POE af/at standard complaint devices do not expect power 
over all 4 pairs, so I would lean towards no.


Although I think new bt standard does provide for 4 pair 
power.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

[Stefan Englhardt]

We had a problem at a customer site where only 4 wires for FE where available. 
The MT SFP did not sync ethernet.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Luthman  
Datum: 05.04.17  17:24  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs 

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL question

[Stefan Englhardt]

Zyxel VES1724-55C



1HE, Temperaturehardened, 24 Modems, Vectoring, 2xSFP or GE, Webinterface





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Luthman
Gesendet: Freitag, 31. März 2017 22:56
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] VDSL question



Awesome sauce, thanks!



Anyone have a recommendation for a VDSL dslam? =)






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:19 PM,  > 
wrote:

VDSL modems are standards based and should work with other dslams.



From: Josh Luthman

Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 12:16 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] VDSL question



I've had an old old old Zyxel VES 1000 dslam that I inherited from the 
building.  How interchangeable are dslam and vdsl modems?  I just pulled up my 
last spare and the replacement looks to be $1900 on ebay.



All 12 ports are mode "10baseS".  They have various up/down rates.  I think we 
have Zyxel and SMC VDSL modems through out the customer base.

Can I just get any VDSL dslam and expect it to work?




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix

[Stefan Englhardt]

Repair cost is no factor. The outage and the immediate TODO is expensive. God 
sake we did not consider toughswitches …





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler
Gesendet: Samstag, 25. März 2017 22:02
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix



Go look at the prices they charge for these. They are very reasonable. We've 
had hit and miss luck with Toughswitches. I'm thankful we have a 'real' switch 
to use now...

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.




On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Mitch Koep  > wrote:

I would agree so why do we pay to fix or to add

additional equipment to modify?

I guess I will hold off from anymore Netonix.



Mitch

On 03/25/2017 09:27 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I would say yes.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   






  _


From: "Mitch Koep"   
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:23:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix

Is this a design error that Netonix needs to correct?


> What is the lesser of two problems.  Leaving a lot of expensive stuff
> unprotected or risk replacing a Netonix switch?
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I would not put any surge protection on Netonix period, top or
>> bottom.  If it is POE and powered by a passive source you run a risk
>> of smoking it with any surge suppressor.
>> I have two devices designed, one is an ancillary fuse to put inline
>> with Netonix.  The second is adding fusing to my surge protectors if
>> I can fit it in.  The external in line fuse product is ready for
>> prototyping.
>> *From:* David Coudron
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:35 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>>
>> We are also very interested in this topic.   We will be building out
>> 10 new towers in the next few months, and will be making the change
>> to Netonix switches (we had previously used a different type of
>> switch).  I the past we had put Transtector surge protectors on the
>> tower top and in the cabinet on the ground. From what you are saying
>> in thread, we should not plan on surge protectors in the cabinet, but
>> what is the recommended change for the tower top, if any?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> *David Coudron*
>>
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com|*Mobile 
>>  : *612-991-7474
>>
>> *Advantenon, Inc.
>> *cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0 
>>  
>> cid:image002.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0
>>   
>> cid:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0 
>>  
>> cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0 
>>  
>>
>> i...@advantenon.com|3500   Vicksburg Lane 
>> N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
>> 55447|www.advantenon.com   
>>  
>> |*Phone:*800-704-4720|*Local:
>> *612-454-1545
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>>
>> If an impulse comes along and the surge suppressor clamps to ground,
>> you run the risk of smoking the Netonix POE transformer.  It will not
>> protect itself against shorts.
>>
>> *From:*Josh Baird
>>
>> *Sent:*Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:23 AM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>>
>> What exactly is the reason?  We always run through your surge
>> protectors before connecting to Netonix.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Chuck McCown   
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Bypass ALL surge suppressors that are connected to Netonix,
>> irrespective of manufacturer.
>>
>> *From:*can...@believewireless.net 
>>
>> *Sent:*Saturday, March 25, 2017 5:41 AM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>>
>> So we should now bypass all our APC-type surge suppressors that
>> are connected to Netonix?
>>
>> On 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix

[Stefan Englhardt]

We are a fan of Netonix but had some events which convince us to not connect 
all Devices to Netonix.

We had AC Power supply failing. We had a defective Arfiber 5x powered by 
Netonix 24V. This took down the whole 24V chain of this Netonix switch and 
causes the switch to reboot. We had some fuse blows at sites this did not 
happen before using normal poe power supplies. This happened without lightning 
event. Chris says this is poor grounding. We see Netonix changed something to 
resist better with „poor grounding“.

So we might use separate Switches for backhauls or just go back and connect 
backhauls with poe injectors directly to the tower router. I do not like when a 
single bad cable is able to take down the whole site.



We’ll see what Mikrotik does. They will do some announcements end of this 
month. I see their new POE devices are gigabit and power 24 or 48 if you feed 
them with the appropriate voltage. If they do a capable tower router with poe 
we might need no switch at all …



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von David Coudron
Gesendet: Samstag, 25. März 2017 14:35
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix



We are also very interested in this topic.   We will be building out 10 new 
towers in the next few months, and will be making the change to Netonix 
switches (we had previously used a different type of switch).  I the past we 
had put Transtector surge protectors on the tower top and in the cabinet on the 
ground.   From what you are saying in thread, we should not plan on surge 
protectors in the cabinet, but what is the recommended change for the tower 
top, if any?



Thanks,





David Coudron

  david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474



Advantenon, Inc.  



  i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |    
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix



If an impulse comes along and the surge suppressor clamps to ground, you run 
the risk of smoking the Netonix POE transformer.  It will not protect itself 
against shorts.



From: Josh Baird

Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:23 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix



What exactly is the reason?  We always run through your surge protectors before 
connecting to Netonix.


On Mar 25, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Bypass ALL surge suppressors that are connected to Netonix, irrespective of 
manufacturer.



From: can...@believewireless.net 

Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 5:41 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix



So we should now bypass all our APC-type surge suppressors that are connected 
to Netonix?



On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

I am going to fix this little problem...



Netonix will fix your port for something like $25



From: Bill Prince

Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 8:56 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix



Yeah. We accidentally hooked up an AF24 through a Cambium surge suppressor, and 
it fragged the port on the Netonix. We were swapping from something else that 
had been on the cable, and completely forgot that it was going through that 
surge suppressor. Hard lesson learned.

bp



On 3/24/2017 1:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

OK,  had an exchange with Netonix today.  It is just as Matt Hoppes said.  You 
short out their POE and it will blow the Ethernet transformer.



I really presumed they had circuitry like Forrest that could detect and shut 
down in an over current situation.  They do have poly fuses which are slow to 
react and may protect it from a very brief short, but longer shorts will indeed 
harm the port feeding the transformer.



So, Netonix is not active POE.  I would say that on passive POE a plain surge 
suppressor should not be used.  I am working some “non plain” surge suppressors 
now ;-)  Stay tuned to this bat channel and a big thanks to Matt for 
forcing me to learn something new.  It was painful, but I can do painful things 
when I have to.



From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:01 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix



tnx



From: Josh Luthman

Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:47 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix



chris.sisler

( A )

netlinx.net 

Re: [AFMUG] IPV6 Address planning

[Stefan Englhardt]

More to read/learn. Thanks.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Stewart
Gesendet: Freitag, 17. März 2017 11:58
An: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IPV6 Address planning



This answer varies of course …. one thing with ICMPv6 though is to make sure 
you allow more than just echo/reply … take a look at 
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4890.txt





On Mar 17, 2017, at 4:44 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:



Yes we are late but none of our customer needed/wanted ipv6 until now.

So now we are considering our address planning for our infrastructure.

With IPV4 we use private addresses with small subnets between routers.



With IPV6 we are considering using official unicast adresses and a /120 for 
each subnet.

A packetfilter at the Border routers allowing only icmp echo/reply to the /56 
containing

this infrastructure subnets.



What is best practice for a IPV6 addressing in a WISP network?

[AFMUG] IPV6 Address planning

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes we are late but none of our customer needed/wanted ipv6 until now.

So now we are considering our address planning for our infrastructure.

With IPV4 we use private addresses with small subnets between routers.



With IPV6 we are considering using official unicast adresses and a /120 for 
each subnet.

A packetfilter at the Border routers allowing only icmp echo/reply to the /56 
containing

this infrastructure subnets.



What is best practice for a IPV6 addressing in a WISP network?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti news?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Copy of RF-Element Horns for AP and CPE. Updated AC gear with added 2,4GHz 
radio for management. Available in Beta Store at low volume. Nothing new with 
LTU. GPS for AC still in development.


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. März 2017 18:11
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti news?
>
> Anything new announced with ETA??
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Stefan Englhardt]

We use mainly AC models (WS-12-250AC and WS-8-150-AC).

At some sites they feed minis.



Last dead is a WS-8-150-AC it does a reboot loop. Chris told me it looks like a 
capacitor problem. They got some defective until they noticed. 2 Weeks before a 
Power Supply of a WS-12-250AC died (no voltage on the output pins). Then there 
where 2 WS-12-250AC and a mini which freezed last year due to surge (complete 
dead). But there was no lightning event. So some of this grounding stuff. In 
general we have quite good power supply here.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Carl Peterson
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. März 2017 16:18
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?



We use a lot of them and thus far no hardware issues that I'm aware of.  We 
primarily run DC versions.  I'd be interested in what Netonix switches you have 
seen issues with, how they were powered, how they were grounded, and what the 
failure mode was.



On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

I think we buy at least 2 or 3 a week on average and currently have 60 or 70 
out there.  What Faisal said is pretty accurate.  When you are a small company, 
your reputation is important to you and Chris is very proud of his switches, as 
he should be.  It was a game changer for us and they are now the only switch we 
use in the field.

The only thing we have noticed recently is that when Ubiquiti upgraded to 6.0 
and 8.0, their Discovery no longer shows the Netonix switches.  Kind of petty 
in my opinion because nothing they make will survive in Arizona temperatures.  
I understand it, it’s just annoying in the field.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?



I'm very happy with the switches but I've only got a couple.  I'm using DC 
input for what that's worth.


The one or two guys on the forums are EXTREMELY helpful.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:

Let's look at the facts.



Each item they ship out, has gone thru some level of testing.

There can be an issue with bad components, and yes Grounding is a major source 
of damage.

(Check their forums, they have decided to make a change on internal case 
grounding).

They do offer a repair service, actual cost of repair does offer a option if 
there was something defective in mfg.

(yes you have to accept their opinion).

Yes they are a small company, and have a knee jerk reaction of ... You are 
wrong until proven correct..

   I don't blame them, because of what majority wants to get away with in 
trying to pull fast ones...



FWIW, evaluating all the pros and con's.. their switches are a product that we 
feel comfortable in buying without thinking twice.



We have had them in service, we have had two or three damaged due to lightning, 
(possible grounding issues), we have them repaired

(approx half the cost of new).



Overall I have no complaints...

  (Keep in mind when dealing with smaller companies, getting needed attention 
to detail also comes with having to put up with the personality of the person 
on the other side).



My Two Cents worth.



:)



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:(305)%20663-5518>  Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>




  _


From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net <mailto:s...@genias.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:11:34 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

May be it’s due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in our 
Network.

Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it’s due to grounding (all 
other Equipment at the

same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one 
suddenly rebooting with

poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of this 
switches was old and conditions are

quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure rates 
with MT-Switches/Routers.

Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They pointed me 
to a hack where soldering

some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.



What is your experience?













--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

[AFMUG] Netonix Quality problems ?

[Stefan Englhardt]

May be it's due to increased amount but I see failing Netonix Switches in our 
Network.

Dead Powersupply, 2 dead switches which they say it's due to grounding (all 
other Equipment at the

same sites never had this connected to the same cables). Now I have one 
suddenly rebooting with

poe load above 25 Watt. It is not a cracy high failure rate but none of this 
switches was old and conditions are

quite good. And a failing netonix is a dead site. I have lower failure rates 
with MT-Switches/Routers.

Looking back at our cisco times I cant remember dead switches. They pointed me 
to a hack where soldering

some cable will make them less sensitive to grounding problems.



What is your experience?

Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Stefan Englhardt]

> I knew about windows since like 98 because I knew a Microsoft employee who
> told me about what they could do.  Skype didn't surprise me either.  Quite
> frankly I don't care because I don't have anything to hide.

This "I don't have anything to hide" is as long as your country behaves fair to 
you.
For 95% of the world this is not the case. And even in US you might run into 
problems communicating with the wrong people or sharing a bus with them. 
Remember there are/were some people in Guantanamo which never seen a judge. 
Some are free after years without a hearing. I guess they have another view.

Look at this case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz
He met some filter criteria and had no chance.

I have nothing to hide but I have no good feeling seeing what possibilities are 
in the hands of people I dont know and I am not sure about their motivation. 
May be arresting someone helps their career. So they lower the filter and grab 
someone who is just at the wrong time and place as Kurnaz.

>
>
>
> I'm torn about this because this pisses me off.. but then again they need to 
> be
> able to spy on other countries to protect us.  So this is a bittersweet day.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:56:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
>
> Now I can see this being problem for Miktroik or for that matter Edgerouters 
> or
> any type of Linux based routers. I wonder what MK is going do about this to
> harden the software?
>
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> > From: Steve 
> > To: af 
> > Date: 03/07/17 09:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> >
> > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf
> >
> > ^^User guide how to hack the Mikrotik
> >
> > Hopefully they are reading this and will get patching ASAP.
> >
> > Well I'm not shocked at all the rest.  We know they have Cisco,
> > Solaris, Juniper
> >
> > I'm not shocked at all the rest just that they heavily focused so much
> > on Mikrotik. But your point about being Eastern European does make sense.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> > To: "af" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:48:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> >
> > I don't understand. MikroTik is used frequently in the EU and
> > developing world, which makes it a great target.
> >
> > Why are you so shocked?
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2017 8:45 AM, "Steve"  wrote:
> >
> > > Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the
> > > rest of it does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars,
> > > Iphones and Android devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?
> > >
> > > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
> > >

[AFMUG] 5G

[Stefan Englhardt]

Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner: mimosa.

But of course air-"fiber" is not bad, too.



Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to make 
their

Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the next big thing.

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

[Stefan Englhardt]

Everyone here calls his connection fibre as long as a part of the line is 
fibre. 

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Ken Hohhof  
Datum: 16.02.17  20:27  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions 

Re: [AFMUG] Raid Controller Recommendations

[Stefan Englhardt]

We try to avoid this (time consuming) hardwaregames and just use NAS.
Good experience with qnap.


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Nate Burke
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2017 17:18
> An: Animal Farm 
> Betreff: [AFMUG] Raid Controller Recommendations
>
> I'm looking for a simple hardware raid controller to setup 2 drives in Raid 1.
> The motherboard has the ICH9R controller which can do Raid1, but it looks like
> the monitoring software isn't compatible with Windows
> 10 (I just bricked the box trying to install an older version)
>
> It's been a while since I've purchased raid cards.  I think my last one's were
> 3ware, which is now LSI.  Are Adaptec and LSI still the main players?

[AFMUG] OT: Started from our friends in the North ...

[Stefan Englhardt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc 
 =youtu.be



This makes a running gag around Europe:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcH9eWBs9fw

(wait 1:45 to understand)



There are Versions from Denmark, Switzerland, Austria, Portugal, Kazakstan, 
France, Marocco,  





And further away: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBtzAYgNFk4





Luv it :)

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

[Stefan Englhardt]

Mikrotik FTC. But dumb/ no snmp.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Dave
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Februar 2017 14:51
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver



yeah, that was a great converter for the price.



On 02/06/2017 04:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are backordered 
until next never.

Are there any alternatives?

Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.





--

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[Stefan Englhardt]

We see UBNT building a new billing system which integrates netflow for 
accounting. I see no extensive reporting/statistics in their demo so far.



I guess it makes sense to do accounting with the same data used for analysis …







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Erich Kaiser
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Februar 2017 14:57
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Netflow



ntop(Is actually really stable compared to past versions), observium, 
solarwinds, we run all of them.  Each helps with specific issues/needs.






Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com 

Office: 630-621-4804

Cell: 630-777-9291





On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:

What are your opinions on Netflow servers/software?

I've been doing some research into using Netflow again.
Long time ago I used NTOP, but it sucked.
Not sure if that's changed or not.

Ideally would be a much newer improved interface type system that was hosted 
for a few bucks a month.
Then I could just sign up and point my Netflow streams to it.

I need one that is geared towards ISPs, not Datacenter/Servers.

I don't care about netflowing and optimizing web sites, I want to profile my 
customer traffic.
Ideally it would include features necessary for CALIA and law enforcement 
requirements.

If it was also great at syslog management that would be a plus.

The Dude currently sucks for syslog IMO.

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Stefan Englhardt]

And Ferengis ;-)

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Chuck McCown  Datum: 
06.02.17  20:01  (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: 
Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference 

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Stefan Englhardt]

This limit is still there for protocol timing reasons. Expect strange things 
happening if you exceed this. There are extenders which are bridges so you can 
double the length.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von ch...@wbmfg.com
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2017 19:20
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances



Some devices will handle things over 100m and some won’t.

I think that original 100m limit was based on coaxial based collision domain 
constraints.



From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:14 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances



We have a customer who trenched 500 foot of cat5 to an outbuilding, routers pop 
for "some reason"

I wonder if an extender would help with that



On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Are you trying to exceed 100 meters?  Is there a good reason not to use fiber + 
DC power?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

Google for ethernet extenders with PoE.
They exist.  Never used one.  I think up to 1000'


-- Original Message --
From: "Dev"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/3/2017 12:45:40 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

>Is there any way to extend the cable length over a few hundred feet and
>still get reliable power/data?










--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

[Stefan Englhardt]

VDSL with vectoring easy does 100Mbit/s. We see 40 over a km. Depends on the 
copper.

On short hops we see up to 135x63. DSLAMs are cheaper than 450m. So where it is 
possible to use copper it is a good option.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2017 15:21
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these



We see up to 50 Mbps on Calix VDSL2 on the shorter loops.  That case looks like 
it could be the v.fast box too.  They have one that looks like that and they 
claim up to 200 Mbps on shorter loops for that technology.



From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:34 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these



One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each 
line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least 
a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in 
the past though :)



On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 > wrote:

Out of curiosity, do  you know how are they feeding these shelves?

I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an 
entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.



On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl  > wrote:

Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from 
Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took 
funding for.



If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be 
able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range 
of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1 
Mbps speeds.



On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson  > wrote:

As someone already said, its clearly and E3.  
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html



On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup  > wrote:

Regen would be my guess.

On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:

it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along that 
route.

Tim

-Original Message-

From: "Carl Peterson"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

Calix.  I'd guess G.Fast

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson  > wrote:

Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural
areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways.

Thanks














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Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 







--

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Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com 

507-634-WiFi

   Like us on Facebook 





--


Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com   |   
http://www.packetflux.com

       


     

   

Re: [AFMUG] OT When Muslims got blocked at American airports, U.S. veterans rushed to help - LA Times

[Stefan Englhardt]

As I understand not only muslims are blocked. All persons with a passport of 
Irak, Iran, Sudan, Libyen, Somalia und Jemen are blocked. There are e.g. a lot 
of germans which have a second citizenship. They are not all muslims and I 
guess many of them like US and may have ancestors there.



You should read foreign press and might get an idea how US reputation is 
suffering. Islamists has succeeded making US a not so free country. In the 
60s/70s it was everyones dream to live there.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Januar 2017 17:45
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT When Muslims got blocked at American airports, U.S. 
veterans rushed to help - LA Times



Plays well with the toothless crowd.



From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:50 PM

To:   af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT When Muslims got blocked at American airports, U.S. 
veterans rushed to help - LA Times



Seriously.



Build a wall?

Shut down the border to certain groups of people?



What a completely dumb ass way to address any of the Americas immigration 
process and security issues.



And I can’t stand the people saying to themselves, “Well, maybe this WILL work…”



Honestly, do we all expect President Trumps brute force methods to fix anything 
long term?



My prediction is these policies and methods will cause a lot more problems for 
the next President and elected officials/Americans to sort out.

It will appear to fix some things, but make 10 other things worse.



I’m thinking this will also happen for health care.



That’s just my opinion for now.



From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:38 PM
To: Animal Farm <  af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT When Muslims got blocked at American airports, U.S. 
veterans rushed to help - LA Times



In your face Donald...This is America at its best...Proud father, brother and 
son of veterans.



  
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veterans-muslims-20170129-story.html

Re: [AFMUG] Low cost single pol 18 and 23 GHz part101

[Stefan Englhardt]

I would ask SAF for the older Lumina Series.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini
Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Januar 2017 10:08
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Low cost single pol 18 and 23 GHz part101



Define low cost



From: Af  > on behalf of 
"eric.kuh...@gmail.com  "  >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Date: Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 8:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Subject: [AFMUG] Low cost single pol 18 and 23 GHz part101



Anyone recently get a great deal for an 18 or 23 GHz (single polarity) licensed 
link? Looking at various options for something full ODU, single polarity, 
1024QAM.

Would also consider an older tech 256QAM radio set if the pricing is amazingly 
good.






Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP

[Stefan Englhardt]

If I remember correct flow control is not working with B5. May be B11 does the 
same. MT does not show if it is negotiated. Try netonix. 

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Chris Wright  
Datum: 25.01.17  06:41  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] B11, TDMA, and TCP 

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes. Oversubsription is possible.

There pricing is with business customers in mind. CPEs are rugged. So they 
should have made a low cost less rugged cpe.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 14:21
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m



Being atheros based, its difficult to grasp how they cant produce a low cost 
residential sub unit... they could even OEM it to other vendor and run Radwin 
code on it...



When we tested the platform, you could not oversubscribe the AP capacity.  I 
believe that changed...



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of 
Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net <mailto:s...@genias.net> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 9:14 AM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m



We used Radwin 5000 (without jet). It is a high quality wifi-based solution. 
Hardware is very rugged and software quality is better than 
mikrotik/ubnt/cambium. RF-wise they are limited to what the atheros-chipset 
does. So no magic there but very predictable stable performance. The interface 
was good but uncommon. As I have seen they move toward normal web based 
interface.

They do local sync and gps sync.



Problem is the pricing and availability. Pricing did not allow to use them for 
residential.

We got them direct from israel. They were late with .ac based stuff (as epmp 
is, still).








Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 13:41
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m



Surely your interference levels are better than mine in the suburban portion of 
my network.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>




  _

From: "Joe Novak" <jno...@lrcomm.com <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per 
http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf



I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. 
I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to 
use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity.





On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com 
<mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote:

I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam 
steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I'm looking at the right units), 
anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? 
They both look pretty tasty...which would you deploy and why?

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

[Stefan Englhardt]

We used Radwin 5000 (without jet). It is a high quality wifi-based solution. 
Hardware is very rugged and software quality is better than 
mikrotik/ubnt/cambium. RF-wise they are limited to what the atheros-chipset 
does. So no magic there but very predictable stable performance. The interface 
was good but uncommon. As I have seen they move toward normal web based 
interface.

They do local sync and gps sync.



Problem is the pricing and availability. Pricing did not allow to use them for 
residential.

We got them direct from israel. They were late with .ac based stuff (as epmp 
is, still).





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 13:41
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m



Surely your interference levels are better than mine in the suburban portion of 
my network.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   





  _

From: "Joe Novak"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per 
http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf



I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. 
I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to 
use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity.





On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev  > wrote:

I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam 
steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), 
anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? 
They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very difficult to get 
the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be very biased even here 
over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in USA is biased, too.

E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where it was 
clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is unthinkable here. It 
would be the one point which would dominate the discussion and would make him 
unvotable here. Your media seemed to move the discussion away from this fact 
and relativated his guilty to make him votable.

Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which is minor 
at best but was discussed the whole time.

I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if media 
helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a problem than 
starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart would find 100 reasons why 
this person has to die and would find other topics to report.





Good and neutral media are the base of a working democracy. For sure you have a 
problem.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy /sarcasm
Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 07:05
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?



Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to effectively 
shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current environment. Between 
press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA responses, live streamed events, 
and one on one interviews (and yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup 
internet method of getting information. We know more in real time then the 
press could ever package up and present. The current mindset of media in press 
conferences is that of militants (both sides of the media isle) and there is 
zero professionalism from either one. Neither really gives a damn what the 
answer is anyway, theyre going to report whatever their preconceived response 
was either way.



Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?



Answer: Yes



CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 ISIS 
fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that those who would 
commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the transition of 
power.



Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day before 
leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a tumultuous time of 
transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory response.



Had the same attack been authorized today:



CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top military 
officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to verify there were no 
civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. War crime charges possible?



Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump  authorized the removal of 100 ISIS 
top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors of ISIS surrender. 
Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.



On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy  > wrote:

I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just impressed by the first 
white house press briefing and the remarks at Langley.  What an amazing public 
speaker this one is.  Have you ever had a friend or friend's uncle or something 
who did too much meth?  You know how they start out with one sentence and then 
before you know it they have told fifteen other stories before they ever get to 
the point...if they ever do???  We have four years of that to look forward to.  
Just watch the full speech at the CIA, you will see what I mean.  Or 
don'tsave yourself the pain.



On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:

Can we talk about politics yet? :P









--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Any CCR is fast enough. We still run at 6.30 which is very stable. OSPF + 
MPLS/VPLS.

We lost some CCR1036-12G-4S PSUs. The placement of the PSU is not good for 
warmer sites.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2017 14:13
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?





For L3 OSPF routed network capable of gigabit traffic






Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes. It has the same switch chip but you need a housing if you want to put it 
outdoor.

For small sites you just throw up an omnitik and feed it with poe and a AF5x to 
get the bandwidth. There you are able to do standard 802.11ac with the omnitik 
(hey mimosas did you tdma now ;-)) or just plug in some sectors of another 
brand.

If you feed 48V it should power ePMP-APs.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jesse Dupont
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Januar 2017 16:54
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac



The new hEX POE (RB960) has PoE gbit ports.







On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:14 AM -0700, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

It has 5 switched *gigabit* ports. 750P/Toughbox has only 100M.





- GENIAS INTERNET --  <http://www.genias.net> www.genias.net --

Stefan Englhardt Email:  <mailto:s...@genias.net> s...@genias.net

Dr. Gesslerstr. 20   D-93051 Regensburg

Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Luthman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Januar 2017 16:05
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac



I don't understand why you wouldn't use a 750P or Toughbox for this job, what's 
the Omnitik doing for you (for non MT wireless users)?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

Finally it is here.



Great tool even for non MT-Wireless users.

Just feeded it with the included 28V Powersupply 15m cable.

Plugged in a AF5X and 3 Rocket AC PTMP and powered them all.

AF5X needs PoE „forced on“.



Health says 27.1V. So it dropped 1V. All ports GE.



All 5 ports are HW-switchable (old omnitik did not include port1/poe-in).



If you dont use the 5GHz .ac radio for ptmp it is usable for management

access or sniffing/snooping.



The build quality is not premium but better than the old omnitik.

The door is fixed and has a screw at the bottom. Nothing for fastening the 
cables.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac

[Stefan Englhardt]

It has 5 switched *gigabit* ports. 750P/Toughbox has only 100M.





- GENIAS INTERNET --  <http://www.genias.net> www.genias.net --

Stefan Englhardt Email:  <mailto:s...@genias.net> s...@genias.net

Dr. Gesslerstr. 20   D-93051 Regensburg

Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Luthman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Januar 2017 16:05
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac



I don't understand why you wouldn't use a 750P or Toughbox for this job, what's 
the Omnitik doing for you (for non MT wireless users)?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

Finally it is here.



Great tool even for non MT-Wireless users.

Just feeded it with the included 28V Powersupply 15m cable.

Plugged in a AF5X and 3 Rocket AC PTMP and powered them all.

AF5X needs PoE „forced on“.



Health says 27.1V. So it dropped 1V. All ports GE.



All 5 ports are HW-switchable (old omnitik did not include port1/poe-in).



If you dont use the 5GHz .ac radio for ptmp it is usable for management

access or sniffing/snooping.



The build quality is not premium but better than the old omnitik.

The door is fixed and has a screw at the bottom. Nothing for fastening the 
cables.

[AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac

[Stefan Englhardt]

Finally it is here.



Great tool even for non MT-Wireless users.

Just feeded it with the included 28V Powersupply 15m cable.

Plugged in a AF5X and 3 Rocket AC PTMP and powered them all.

AF5X needs PoE "forced on".



Health says 27.1V. So it dropped 1V. All ports GE.



All 5 ports are HW-switchable (old omnitik did not include port1/poe-in).



If you dont use the 5GHz .ac radio for ptmp it is usable for management

access or sniffing/snooping.



The build quality is not premium but better than the old omnitik.

The door is fixed and has a screw at the bottom. Nothing for fastening the 
cables.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Slightly, Cost of Living

[Stefan Englhardt]

Looks like they want to see poor people starving. There is the illusion that 
everybody has the same starting point in life and life is fair to everyone. A 
rich country should take care of their residents and this means health care for 
their poor people.But oh you voted for a psychotic millonaire. So how to argue.


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Robert  Datum: 
14.01.17  15:47  (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: 
Re: [AFMUG] OT Slightly, Cost of Living 

[AFMUG] Hex

[Stefan Englhardt]

Mikrotik did an upgrade to 750UP called hEX PoE.

Just playing around. Very nice tool.



All 5 Ethernet Ports are GigE and can be HW-switched together. Features a SFP 
;-) which cant be HW-switched just SW-Bridged or routed. Eats 12-57V on barrel 
or POE in on Port1. If you feed it with 48V it can do 802.3at on 4 ports. Feeds 
24V legacy. Just tested with UVC cams, MT boards and AF5X. 800MHz CPU and 128MB 
RAM.

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

[Stefan Englhardt]

I realy would not dare to do this with ePMP. Guess scrolling thru 120 entries 
with the webinterface will kill the AP ;-)).





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mathew Howard
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2017 20:27
An: af 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison



Yes... this isn't airmax we're talking about...

I haven't heard of any problems related to the number of SM's with ePMP. You're 
obviously going to run out of capacity if you have too many, but I imagine if 
they were all low use connections it'd handle 120 just fine.



On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:

RightIMO the number of subscribers the thing can efficiently handle is 
basically irrelevant because you'll run out of capacity before you hit that 
number.  That's probably true with a lot of stuff these days.





-- Original Message --

From: "Josh Baird"  >

To: "af@afmug.com  "  >

Sent: 1/5/2017 2:08:32 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison



We have ePMP AP's with 55 subs that are doing just fine.  Probably won't load 
any more on it due to high downlink utilization during peak usage.



On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:

Over 20-30 subs not recommended by whom?

When I talked to Cambium about subscriber density, they said they've tested 
with up to 120, but suggested keeping it under 65.  I do have an ePMP AP with 
43 SM's at this point, no trouble that I'm aware of.  It hits abou 60% air 
utilization at peak times.



-- Original Message --
From: "Trey Scarborough"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 1/5/2017 9:21:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

Your biggest difference is your throughput per MHZ your epmp will do less 
bandwidth in a 20mhz channel than a 450. he other big difference is subscriber 
density. It is not recommended to go over 20-30 subs per AP on epmp without 
loss of performance. I regularly see 450 APs with 70+ subs per AP. With Medusa 
I have seen over 130. As far as the Medusa not being field proven you may not 
have field tested it yet, but I know for a fact it has been tested and running 
on networks for some time now and a viable solution.

If you have any more questions feel free to hit me up off list.

On 1/5/2017 7:36 AM, David Milholen wrote:

The radios on these 2 are entirely different. One is using std based
radio and the other completely proprietary.

Since framing will be slightly different and so will processing delay.
The stds based radio gets close to mimicking the

450 series but thats strictly based on Cambium magic. Capacity and
sustained rates per VC is the where you will see a difference.

Latency will be very consistent from ap to sub. PMP450i is where its at.



On 1/4/2017 2:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

if im running 75/25, epmp is roughly 87mb capacity, 450 93mb capacity
is this correct?

are efficiencies batter on 450 if installation is the same? ie, if I
forlifted one AP with 17 epmps to 450, where would my gains be
assuming everything stays installed in the same spot. Its not like the
FCC gives 450 any more power than epmp, so path loss should be the same.
Im looking at this epmp 1000 sector thats running overall about 64-7%
efficient with 17 subscribers and wondering what the gain is to move
to 450 (exclude medusa, as its not field proven)

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team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


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Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

[Stefan Englhardt]

<25 is our rule of thumb with a 11n-20MHz Channels. If you get 60Mbit Downlink 
out of this Channel you are able to feed 8 Netflix-Users. With 55 subs they 
most likely suffer these days as people have multiple smarttvs and expect to 
surf/download while watching tv. If customers get interupts while streaming 
they get angry.



With 450 or AC based gear you might stretch these numbers as you can squeeze 
some more mbits out of this channel.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Moffett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2017 20:16
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison



RightIMO the number of subscribers the thing can efficiently handle is 
basically irrelevant because you'll run out of capacity before you hit that 
number.  That's probably true with a lot of stuff these days.





-- Original Message --

From: "Josh Baird"  >

To: "af@afmug.com  "  >

Sent: 1/5/2017 2:08:32 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison



We have ePMP AP's with 55 subs that are doing just fine.  Probably won't load 
any more on it due to high downlink utilization during peak usage.



On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:

Over 20-30 subs not recommended by whom?

When I talked to Cambium about subscriber density, they said they've tested 
with up to 120, but suggested keeping it under 65.  I do have an ePMP AP with 
43 SM's at this point, no trouble that I'm aware of.  It hits abou 60% air 
utilization at peak times.



-- Original Message --
From: "Trey Scarborough"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 1/5/2017 9:21:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

Your biggest difference is your throughput per MHZ your epmp will do less 
bandwidth in a 20mhz channel than a 450. he other big difference is subscriber 
density. It is not recommended to go over 20-30 subs per AP on epmp without 
loss of performance. I regularly see 450 APs with 70+ subs per AP. With Medusa 
I have seen over 130. As far as the Medusa not being field proven you may not 
have field tested it yet, but I know for a fact it has been tested and running 
on networks for some time now and a viable solution.

If you have any more questions feel free to hit me up off list.

On 1/5/2017 7:36 AM, David Milholen wrote:

The radios on these 2 are entirely different. One is using std based
radio and the other completely proprietary.

Since framing will be slightly different and so will processing delay.
The stds based radio gets close to mimicking the

450 series but thats strictly based on Cambium magic. Capacity and
sustained rates per VC is the where you will see a difference.

Latency will be very consistent from ap to sub. PMP450i is where its at.



On 1/4/2017 2:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

if im running 75/25, epmp is roughly 87mb capacity, 450 93mb capacity
is this correct?

are efficiencies batter on 450 if installation is the same? ie, if I
forlifted one AP with 17 epmps to 450, where would my gains be
assuming everything stays installed in the same spot. Its not like the
FCC gives 450 any more power than epmp, so path loss should be the same.
Im looking at this epmp 1000 sector thats running overall about 64-7%
efficient with 17 subscribers and wondering what the gain is to move
to 450 (exclude medusa, as its not field proven)

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


--

Re: [AFMUG] Scheduling/work flow

[Stefan Englhardt]

Microsoft has announced Teams which will be part of office365.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Sean Heskett  
Datum: 14.12.16  06:26  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Scheduling/work flow 

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Stefan Englhardt]

Hotels/Hotspots suck. Never sure IPSEC travels through. So sometimes I end up 
opening a VNC port to be able to do anything.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Wright
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Dezember 2016 16:16
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik



Clients are easy! It’s the server side that sucks.



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:45 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik



So, I'm getting the general consensus is there is no general consensus and end 
users configuring their client is simple as long as they are sysadmins



On Dec 12, 2016 5:46 PM, "Chris Wright" <  
ch...@velociter.net> wrote:

It took me about an hour of trial-and-error to come to that conclusion a few 
months ago. :(



Glad someone else might benefit from it and save them from the headache I got!



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:  af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:24 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik



6.32.2...
[admin@NOC] /ip ipsec> export
/ip ipsec proposal
set [ find default=yes ] enc-algorithms=3des,aes-256-cbc

I forget what blog or whatever I found this on, but that's what Windows wants 
to see.

On 12/12/2016 1:05 PM, George Skorup wrote:

And that's where one problem is. The Android native L2TP/IPsec client doesn't 
complain too much, but the Windows 10 native client wants some specific 
combination. I forget what it is, but I fought with it for a couple days.

On 12/12/2016 12:54 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

ah...so you're saying it's not IPSec issue per se?

Do you know which encryption types are hardware accelerated?



-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" <  af...@ics-il.net>

To:   af@afmug.com

Sent: 12/12/2016 1:48:39 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik



If you change the cipher to one that's not hardware encrypted, that problem 
goes away, replaced with a new problem of CPU capacity.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   






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From: "George Skorup" <  geo...@cbcast.com>
To:   af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 12:46:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

MT made L2TP+IPsec w/ pre-shared key painless to configure around v6.30 or 
6.32, somewhere in there. In winbox, PPP > LT2P Server, check Use IPsec and 
fill in the IPsec Secret field. That's your pre-shared key. No more manual 
IPsec config, all of that is handled dynamically now. So it's just as easy to 
set up as PPTP.

I'm still running this on our NOC CCR for remote access, and yes, the out of 
order packet issue is a problem especially with HTTPS, but I'm not going back 
to PPTP.

If MT was smart, they would let us bypass the h/w accelerated encryption and 
let it gobble up one of the 36 unused CPU cores. I don't really care. At least 
that's an interim solution.

On 12/12/2016 10:42 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:

+1

It's right up there with WEP or locking your screen door.

Is OpenVPN an option on Mikrotik?  I've run it for years on pfSense and 
stand-alone and love it.  Failing that, IPSec with a decent client like 
Greenbow has also worked easily and well.

All of that being said, is easy what is best with security?

On 12/12/2016 11:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Not well.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   






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From: "Dennis Burgess"   
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net
To:  

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Stefan Englhardt]

The newest hEX (RB750Gr3) has IPSec Hardware encryption. Claims to do 470Mbps 
on a $60 Device.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Dennis Burgess
Gesendet: Montag, 12. Dezember 2016 16:36
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik



I have IPSEC running on CCRS moving hundreds of megs?





Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

  MikroTik 
Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE



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www.linktechs.net

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik



And yes Ken, I can attest that IPSec works for crap when the endpoint is a CCR.



-- Original Message --

From: "Ken Hohhof"  >

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 12/9/2016 1:05:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik



You mean no encryption, it would be secured with username/password, right?  
Depends on what kind of security he is looking for.  It would be easy enough to 
set up an IPSEC VPN, the question is CPU load if the encryption has to be done 
in software.  Also, weren’t there some posts about problems with hardware based 
encryption on some Mikrotik platforms, maybe CCR?



It sounds like you  are looking for a client based VPN, not a site-site VPN?  
So you need something that will work with a client that comes with Windows?  
That sounds like either PPTP or IPSEC.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik



No security though.



On Dec 9, 2016 11:47 AM, "Tushar Patel"  > wrote:

PPTP on mikrotik. It will be same, IP address and username and password.

Tushar




On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:42 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm  > wrote:

I have a non WISP customer with some cameras they monitor, not NVR/DVR to speak 
of yet. The cameras are port forwarded (called pinholes in their current 
router) individually, so theyre pretty much exposed IoT targets.

Im putting a mikrotik in because the Fortigate solution is cost prohibitive. 
Fortigates ssl vpn is slick, easy and end user friendly (for the client)

Whats the easiest VPN/client on a mikrotik. It would be great if it was as 
simple as the fortigate, they have a workstation client and most phone apps, 
All I need to do is give them an IP/FQDN and their username and password, its 
done.




--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Latency. No collisions between AP and CPE. AP never has to wait for 
transmission. CPEs have to be coordinated. Frequency reuse works as it is 
heavily done with FDD-LTE.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von castarritt .
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:36
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP?  Wouldn't that prevent using sync for 
frequency re-use?



On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to 
deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and 
past) it will be different than 450m.



What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it 
will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If 
Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ 
but who knows.



I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might 
happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, …







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of 
boxes. It won't be a 450m, though.



-
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 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
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From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com 
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >
To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration 
path to ePMP.   I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market 
is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa).



My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is 
going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, 
both in price and performance.



Put differently: 802.11<ePMPmailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com> > wrote:

It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the 
Chips ground up for WISP's only
And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having 
with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on 
cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of 
getting into legal trouble from UBNT  but I don't think Robert cares as he 
already knows he won the end game



On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news.  Not 
that coming out with the product would really do that.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com 
<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

Announcement of AF PTMP??







On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Ubnt is at an all time high.  Last peak was March 2014.  Just over 5 years old, 
pretty cool to watch it go up and down.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

Lol



On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Are they publically traded?  4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping?



From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe 
theyre pushing out that shine for 2017

On We

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Stefan Englhardt]

It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others do at 
the RF layer.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing and 
such.

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.




On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . <castarr...@gmail.com 
<mailto:castarr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP?  Wouldn't that prevent using sync for 
frequency re-use?



On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to 
deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and 
past) it will be different than 450m.



What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it 
will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If 
Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ 
but who knows.



I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might 
happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, …







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of 
boxes. It won't be a 450m, though.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
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  _


From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com 
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >
To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration 
path to ePMP.   I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market 
is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa).



My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is 
going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, 
both in price and performance.



Put differently: 802.11<ePMPmailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com> > wrote:

It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the 
Chips ground up for WISP's only
And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having 
with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on 
cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of 
getting into legal trouble from UBNT  but I don't think Robert cares as he 
already knows he won the end game



On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news.  Not 
that coming out with the product would really do that.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com 
<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

Announcement of AF PTMP??







On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Ubnt is at an all time high.  Last peak was March 2014.  Just over 5 years old, 
pretty cool to watch it go up and down.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

Lol



On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Are they publically traded?  4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping?



From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Su

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Stefan Englhardt]

99% of LTE is FDD. So it works great for PTMP. It cost to much for WISPs (until 
a vendor brings down the cost …).





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Moffett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 17:18
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



FDD would lower round trip latency for one thing.  Frequency re-use is still 
achievable with FDD.  For example if two devices on the tower are listening on 
the same channel, then neither is talking on that channeltherefore neither 
one interferes with the other.  You'd still have to watch out for stations 
hearing two AP's on the same channel, but (for example) back to back re-use 
should be ok with or without sync.



The trouble with FDD in 802.16d was lower throughput.  You had to use smaller 
channel sizes to get sufficient separation between tx and rx.  In an unlicensed 
band you could do something like 2.4 tx and 5.x rx.  Or 5.1-5.2 for rx and 
5.7-5.8 for tx.  In those cases you've got a big enough band to use a whole 
20mhz channel.



I don't know why nobody's done it alreadythere are probably challenges I 
don't understand.  Or maybe it just costs too much.





-- Original Message --

From: "castarritt ." <castarr...@gmail.com <mailto:castarr...@gmail.com> >

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: 12/8/2016 10:36:06 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP?  Wouldn't that prevent using sync for 
frequency re-use?



On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to 
deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and 
past) it will be different than 450m.



What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it 
will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If 
Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ 
but who knows.



I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might 
happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, …







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of 
boxes. It won't be a 450m, though.



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From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com 
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >
To: "af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration 
path to ePMP.   I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market 
is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa).



My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is 
going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, 
both in price and performance.



Put differently: 802.11<ePMPmailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com> > wrote:

It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the 
Chips ground up for WISP's only
And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having 
with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on 
cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of 
getting into legal trouble from UBNT  but I don't think Robert cares as he 
already knows he won the end game



On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news.  Not 
that coming out with the product would really do that.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Stefan Englhardt]

What is suspicious is that vendors like UBNT or Mimosa announces products with 
features. Then they do hardware and then they try to get their SW working. Then 
it needs months of development to do the features. How can they be that sure 
that their SW/HW combination does what they promise. They are so far from a 
finished product at announcement date that they cant know if it will work. They 
articulate their wishes and sell pipe dreams.

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Seth Mattinen
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 15:47
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
>
> On 12/8/16 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think
> > it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their
> > AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of
> > the groups there to really do what the customers want.
>
>
> Certainly AirMax seems to have some design limitations. Lowly ePMP can do
> sync on an Atheros-based platform while AirMax just can't seem to get there at
> the same level.
>
> For me it's UBNT's ADD with abandoning things that makes me nervous.
> Every vendor claims things that I'll believe it when it ships, but UBNT will
> release something, make some progress, then drop it because it's no longer
> new enough to raise stock prices or becomes unsexy long term maintenance.
> Like AirControl, then AirControl 2, then cloud-whatever, then AirCRM, now is 
> it
> back to AirControl 2 again? I don't even know. I still have some M gear and
> ePMP Elevate is tempting just to get away from the AirControl dumpster fire.
>
> ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Stefan Englhardt]

I think it is a very big invest and a real hard job to get something like 450m 
and LTU to the market. And it might be even harder for the technicians to 
argument with the investor why it is not enough to take a wifi-chipset and 
build a system around that.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 15:23
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think it'll be a 
big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their AirMax platform. It 
has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of the groups there to really do 
what the customers want.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   





  _

From: "Seth Mattinen"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

On 12/8/16 4:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> UBNT has to execute, though. They haven't been great at that.


UBNT will always have their diehard fans for whom execution isn't that
important.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

[Stefan Englhardt]

If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to 
deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and 
past) it will be different than 450m.



What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it 
will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If 
Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ 
but who knows.



I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might 
happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, …







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of 
boxes. It won't be a 450m, though.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   





  _

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  >
To: "af"  >
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?

Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration 
path to ePMP.   I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market 
is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa).



My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is 
going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, 
both in price and performance.



Put differently: 802.11 > wrote:

It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the 
Chips ground up for WISP's only
And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having 
with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on 
cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of 
getting into legal trouble from UBNT  but I don't think Robert cares as he 
already knows he won the end game



On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news.  Not 
that coming out with the product would really do that.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson"  > wrote:

Announcement of AF PTMP??







On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Ubnt is at an all time high.  Last peak was March 2014.  Just over 5 years old, 
pretty cool to watch it go up and down.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:

Lol



On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

Are they publically traded?  4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping?



From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe 
theyre pushing out that shine for 2017

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White  > wrote:

Very very few have shipped from Cambium.  Expect to hear a lot more this month.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 

dwh...@converge-tech.com 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?



So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is this a 
dud?




Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968






 

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix DC voltage alarms

[Stefan Englhardt]

Cant you configure email alerts ?

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Baird  Datum: 
07.12.16  13:58  (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: 
Re: [AFMUG] Netonix DC voltage alarms 

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik question

[Stefan Englhardt]

Memory

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: CBB - Jay Fuller  
Datum: 05.12.16  17:21  (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: [AFMUG] mikrotik question 

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Stefan Englhardt]

This is why your customers ask for big pipes. You have to understand your 
customers. So this time is dedicated to „customer relationship“ ;-).





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Stewart
Gesendet: Montag, 5. Dezember 2016 13:47
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch



I’ve asked Mrs. Clause to get me one for Christmas.. I love new tech…



My problem, and of course i’m not alone, is I don’t really have much time to 
sit down and play games …. I enjoy them though ….







On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:



As a technic enthusiast I am very impressed what Sony does with their PS VR. It 
is not like 3d movie in theater it is a whole new experience. Just dive into 
Rush of Blood and you are flashed. Like Apple they bring a new technic in a way 
people like it. The headset is very well built and the cabling is explained in 
a way everyone is able to do it. This is something like the iPad1 you should 
have.





Von: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag 
von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Montag, 5. Dezember 2016 13:26
An:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch



I enjoy them and used to enjoy spending lots of time at it (40+ hours per 
week), I simply haven't had the time for it in years.



-
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<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
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From: "Jason McKemie" < <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:40:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

I enjoy video games, but I prohibit my self from playing them since they're an 
absolutely terrific waste of time.

On Sunday, December 4, 2016, Bill Prince < <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> 
part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

My life will not be diminished whether I get it or not. I feel fulfilled 
without any video games in my life (either me or someone else playing them).


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 12/4/2016 10:24 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Think about it this way: it's the first "sport" that has international
reach outside of soccer. It already has more exposure than baseball,
football, etc. The only thing it doesn't come close to is FIFA World
Cup viewership (3.2 Billion in 2014). The barrier to viewership is
that it only requires internet access to YouTube/Twitch - it's
viewership growth does not require some expensive/exclusive sports
Cable package. Baseball, football, boxing, car racing (largely) etc
are all slowly and painfully dying off. The growth is in MMA and
eSports.

Although you "don't get it" (I don't either, largely), the rest of the
world does. Ignore that at your peril :P

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince < <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> 
part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

Despite the amazing popularity, it still does not draw me.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends is currently the
largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships, which was a multi-day
multi-city bracketed event held in several countries, had over 334 million
viewers (not counting multiple people watching the same stream). The final
numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. Colleges are giving out
scholarships for this (no joke).

These events sell out places like the Staples center, and world cup
stadiums. Madison Square Garden may be next year.

On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds" < <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

Fun, fame, and profit.

Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in advertising
revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually teenagers.

Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in
stream donations.

My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar, largely,
with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but mainly
YouTube/twitch.

There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with more
net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of bar
w

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Stefan Englhardt]

As a technic enthusiast I am very impressed what Sony does with their PS VR. It 
is not like 3d movie in theater it is a whole new experience. Just dive into 
Rush of Blood and you are flashed. Like Apple they bring a new technic in a way 
people like it. The headset is very well built and the cabling is explained in 
a way everyone is able to do it. This is something like the iPad1 you should 
have.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Montag, 5. Dezember 2016 13:26
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch



I enjoy them and used to enjoy spending lots of time at it (40+ hours per 
week), I simply haven't had the time for it in years.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   





  _

From: "Jason McKemie"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:40:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

I enjoy video games, but I prohibit my self from playing them since they're an 
absolutely terrific waste of time.

On Sunday, December 4, 2016, Bill Prince  > wrote:

My life will not be diminished whether I get it or not. I feel fulfilled 
without any video games in my life (either me or someone else playing them).


bp


On 12/4/2016 10:24 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Think about it this way: it's the first "sport" that has international
reach outside of soccer. It already has more exposure than baseball,
football, etc. The only thing it doesn't come close to is FIFA World
Cup viewership (3.2 Billion in 2014). The barrier to viewership is
that it only requires internet access to YouTube/Twitch - it's
viewership growth does not require some expensive/exclusive sports
Cable package. Baseball, football, boxing, car racing (largely) etc
are all slowly and painfully dying off. The growth is in MMA and
eSports.

Although you "don't get it" (I don't either, largely), the rest of the
world does. Ignore that at your peril :P

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince  > wrote:

Despite the amazing popularity, it still does not draw me.


bp


On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends is currently the
largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships, which was a multi-day
multi-city bracketed event held in several countries, had over 334 million
viewers (not counting multiple people watching the same stream). The final
numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. Colleges are giving out
scholarships for this (no joke).

These events sell out places like the Staples center, and world cup
stadiums. Madison Square Garden may be next year.

On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  > wrote:

Fun, fame, and profit.

Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in advertising
revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually teenagers.

Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in
stream donations.

My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar, largely,
with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but mainly
YouTube/twitch.

There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with more
net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of bar
w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming
(half-hourly charges).

On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  
> wrote:

I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?



I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for
a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
does for 12 hours straight.



What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?



And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
breaks?

Re: [AFMUG] What NMS does everyone use and why?

[Stefan Englhardt]

SDCard

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Mike Hammett  Datum: 
02.12.16  14:15  (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: 
Re: [AFMUG] What NMS does everyone use and why? 

Re: [AFMUG] What NMS does everyone use and why?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes. But the old version still does it’s job. Runs here on a dedicated win10 
box just fine and does alerting with SMS over an USB-Stick.



I like the idea of running it as part/package of their ROS-Software. ROS is 
much smaller and simpler to maintain than windows. Just copy the package to the 
box restart and you are done …

In fact their ROS is a packaged/customized Linux.



This $60 device:  <https://routerboard.com/RB750Gr3> 
https://routerboard.com/RB750Gr3 + a SDCard is a good starting point.

Putting an UMTS Stick for alerting to it and plug it to a small UPS (only 5W 
Power Usage) gives a very smart monitoring system. Disclaimer: The new Dude is 
not stable enough by now!

They started integrating the webpart of dude into webfig. Charts are there. I 
guess the Dude-Client will be integrated into winbox to reduce code 
maintenance. Some parts of dude (user management) already went there.



Dude is free so we cant blame them …



We tried different systems. None of them has this fast clickable mapping. I’ve 
a main map with submaps for the locations where I doubleclick into. One pane 
for the alerts and one pane for the uplink charts.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Dezember 2016 13:31
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] What NMS does everyone use and why?



Seriously, Mikrotik really fucked The Dude. No development for something like 
five years, then when they start, they shit-can the PC-installable version and 
the web interface. They require it to be ran from a router. Who the hell does 
that? I know they have CHR now, but still...



-
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  _

From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net <mailto:s...@genias.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:05:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What NMS does everyone use and why?

We are still with the DUDE. Not seen another product where mapping is better.

They started developing it further but the new beta's are not usable now but 
promising. They integrated the Dude into their ROS. So it will be usable with 
CLI and run on some of their routerboards and their virtual appliance. Very 
easy to handle for ISP's using Mikrotik for routing. And it is still free.



 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com 
<mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >
Datum: 02.12.16 04:21 (GMT+01:00)
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: [AFMUG] What NMS does everyone use and why?

Re: [AFMUG] What NMS does everyone use and why?

[Stefan Englhardt]

We are still with the DUDE. Not seen another product where mapping is 
better.They started developing it further but the new beta's are not usable now 
but promising. They integrated the Dude into their ROS. So it will be usable 
with CLI and run on some of their routerboards and their virtual appliance. 
Very easy to handle for ISP's using Mikrotik for routing. And it is still free.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Brett A Mansfield  
Datum: 02.12.16  04:21  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: [AFMUG] What NMS does everyone use and why? 

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

[Stefan Englhardt]

Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jason Wilson
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!



I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the road, BUT is 
in the works.  From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash saver.




  
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Jason Wilson

Remotely Located

Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.

530-651-1736

530-748-9608 Cell

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On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com 
<mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com> > wrote:

Mikrotik?



On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by shutting 
off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this might give 
us a better window



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is compatible with 
an Intel Core isn't it?



Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.





-- Original Message --

From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net <mailto:s...@genias.net> >

To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!



They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the oldest 
UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von That One Guy /sarcasm
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!



you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace  and some 
hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers here with a 
pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I signed up 
for it but now im all giddy like a school girl



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/



Very interesting indeed... very interesting.



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat <tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com 
<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> > wrote:

This ought to shake things up a bit.



http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/




 <http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/>

 <http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/> /

www.businesswire.com <http://www.businesswire.com>

/











--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.







--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.







--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

[Stefan Englhardt]

I am a bit sarcastic I know ;-)). But indeed both shop the same standard 
Atheros Chipsets. Dont know what UBNT-Model has the exact same 11n chipset as 
the ePMP CPE.



They claim to elevate >25 CPEs/AP. This is the kind of Marketing which makes me 
sarcastic.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Moffett
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:29
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!



Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is compatible with 
an Intel Core isn't it?



Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.





-- Original Message --

From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net <mailto:s...@genias.net> >

To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!



They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the oldest 
UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von That One Guy /sarcasm
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!



you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace  and some 
hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers here with a 
pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I signed up 
for it but now im all giddy like a school girl



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/



Very interesting indeed... very interesting.



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat <tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com 
<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> > wrote:

This ought to shake things up a bit.



http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/




 <http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/>

 <http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/> /

www.businesswire.com <http://www.businesswire.com>

/











--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.







--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

[Stefan Englhardt]

They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the oldest 
UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy /sarcasm
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!



you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace  and some 
hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers here with a 
pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 > wrote:

im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I signed up 
for it but now im all giddy like a school girl



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  > wrote:

I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/



Very interesting indeed... very interesting.



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat  > wrote:

This ought to shake things up a bit.



http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/




 

  /

www.businesswire.com 

/











--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.







--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] MikroTik DHCP Out One Bridge Port?

[Stefan Englhardt]

No. You have to filter. You also want to filter dhcp requests from customer to 
go through eth1.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Christopher Gray
Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 16:40
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] MikroTik DHCP Out One Bridge Port?



I'm configuring a routerboard as an in-line DHCP server that only provides 
addresses on one port:



Larger Network <--> eth1 -- RouterBoard -- eth 2 <--> Customer



I've got the DHCP server on the bridge with eth1 and eth2 as ports. Use 
Firewall is turned on. I planned to use a firewall to block incoming DHCP 
requests on eth1... but I'd like to know if there is a better way to lock a 
DHCP server to a specific port when bridged.



Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?

[Stefan Englhardt]

I guess calculation is different for 3.65. They sell much less and in 5GHz 
there are more competitors.

I dont believe UBNT/Cambium does something LTE Based. This SIM-Stuff and 
complicated infrastructure would hinder low cost. Wasn't there any licensing 
the vendor has to pay for patents? UBNT want to target their airmax price range.


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
> Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 12:37
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?
>
> Take a look at AF-3x pricing vs AF-5x, parts cost is probably the same but
> Ubiquiti prices it at double.  Also, I wouldn't expect any vendor to rush a 
> new
> 3.65 product to market unless it is fully CBRS compatible and probably LTE
> based.
>
> Best we could probably hope for is Cambium does some kind of HW refresh
> based on the new wideband SM and brings the price down.  It's not obvious to
> me why the 3.65 SM is different from the 5 GHz SM, with the heatsink fins and
> different LEDs, like it is based on the 450i design or something.  It's not 
> like you
> are going to run 40 MHz channels in 3.65.  There's something going on that's
> not apparent to the casual observer.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:59 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?
>
> I think there is 0,1% possibility this will happen.
> As I understand the parameters of both systems are quite different. It would
> need a lot of work to make them GPS-Compatible. Think you are Pera and have
> the choice of bringing this to market 2017 or make compatibility and bring 
> this
> to market 2018. Guess what ...
>
>
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
> > Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 09:13
> > An: af@afmug.com
> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?
> >
> > "I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from
> > the Cambium products"
> >
> > Good luck with that.
> >
> > I understand it could be a good way to transition, don't get me wrong,
> > I just don't (A) think they really care, for whatever reason and (B)
> > built their own system from the ground up with what they wanted to
> maximize performance.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
> > <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from
> > > the Cambium products so we can mix and match Cambium/UBNT PtMP in
> > the
> > > same frequency band in the network. Im getting so much 450 gear up
> > > that it just has to be synced because its so dense, I wont' be able
> > > to coordinate throwing some other brand of AP in their and having to
> > > watch frequency usage even closer.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Jon Langeler
> > > <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Yeah can't wait
> > >>
> > >> Jon Langeler
> > >> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
> > >> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> No I'm not good with paying that price for it but what else are we
> > >> supposed to do? That's still the cheapeast 3.65ghz solution out right 
> > >> now.
> > >> Now its going to get real interesting if Airfiber PtMP comes out
> > >> with some 3.65ghz gear
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Depends on what you mean by "good".
> > >>>
> > >>> Actually we buy the 20M SM at around $315 and for special
> > >>> occasions the uncapped integral panel at around $500 including the
> > >>> tilt bracket, so worse than your $275.
> > >>>
> > >>> They are certainly more expensive than we'd like, but you do what
> > >>> you gotta do.  We do have a lot of 3.65 Lite APs so we save a
> > >>> little at that end.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you go through a lot of them, I'd work with your reseller to
> > >>> negotiate a volume discount from Cambium.  Like commit to 200 SMs
> > >>> over the next year, see if they'll give you a better price, and
> > >>> then take deliveries 50 at a time.  It won't be 50% off, but
> > >>> you'll probably get something.  On the other hand, if you're like
> > >>> me and most of your volume is 5 GHz, then just open your wallet,
> > >>> unless you want to do LTE.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
> > >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:25 PM
> > >>> To: af@afmug.com
> > >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?
> > >>>
> > >>> Is everyone good with paying $275 for cambium 10Mbps SMs ? Or has
> > >>> everyone just jumped ship?
> > >>>
> > >>> Jon Langeler
> > >>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?

[Stefan Englhardt]

I think there is 0,1% possibility this will happen.
As I understand the parameters of both systems are quite different. It would 
need a lot of work to make them GPS-Compatible. Think you are Pera and have the 
choice of bringing this to market 2017 or make compatibility and bring this to 
market 2018. Guess what ...


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
> Gesendet: Montag, 21. November 2016 09:13
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?
>
> "I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from the
> Cambium products"
>
> Good luck with that.
>
> I understand it could be a good way to transition, don't get me wrong, I just
> don't (A) think they really care, for whatever reason and (B) built their own
> system from the ground up with what they wanted to maximize performance.
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
>  wrote:
> > I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from
> > the Cambium products so we can mix and match Cambium/UBNT PtMP in
> the
> > same frequency band in the network. Im getting so much 450 gear up
> > that it just has to be synced because its so dense, I wont' be able to
> > coordinate throwing some other brand of AP in their and having to
> > watch frequency usage even closer.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:28 PM, Jon Langeler
> > 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah can't wait
> >>
> >> Jon Langeler
> >> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> No I'm not good with paying that price for it but what else are we
> >> supposed to do? That's still the cheapeast 3.65ghz solution out right now.
> >> Now its going to get real interesting if Airfiber PtMP comes out with
> >> some 3.65ghz gear
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Depends on what you mean by "good".
> >>>
> >>> Actually we buy the 20M SM at around $315 and for special occasions
> >>> the uncapped integral panel at around $500 including the tilt
> >>> bracket, so worse than your $275.
> >>>
> >>> They are certainly more expensive than we'd like, but you do what
> >>> you gotta do.  We do have a lot of 3.65 Lite APs so we save a little
> >>> at that end.
> >>>
> >>> If you go through a lot of them, I'd work with your reseller to
> >>> negotiate a volume discount from Cambium.  Like commit to 200 SMs
> >>> over the next year, see if they'll give you a better price, and then
> >>> take deliveries 50 at a time.  It won't be 50% off, but you'll
> >>> probably get something.  On the other hand, if you're like me and
> >>> most of your volume is 5 GHz, then just open your wallet, unless you
> >>> want to do LTE.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:25 PM
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?
> >>>
> >>> Is everyone good with paying $275 for cambium 10Mbps SMs ? Or has
> >>> everyone just jumped ship?
> >>>
> >>> Jon Langeler
> >>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

[Stefan Englhardt]

There was a bug regarding simple queues. This happened when enabling/disabling 
queues.Watch the cpu/profiling if something peaks suddenly.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: TJ Trout  
Datum: 20.11.2016  07:47  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

[Stefan Englhardt]

With licensed links price of the gear is not the first I am looking at. I pay 
$3000 for a 18Ghz link license. So I do this at links I really need it. Then I 
look at equipment which squeeze every bit out of this spectrum and I look at 
rain availability. E.g. I bought a NEC Pasolink split mount in favor of a SAF 
Integra just for putting out some more dbs at 1024QAM. This cost me $1500 more 
for a few db.This is a link that should do the job for 10years.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Faisal Imtiaz  
Datum: 20.11.2016  05:22  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Microsoft scratch-off COA

[Stefan Englhardt]

I use a surface pro 4 since my laptop display died. Not perfect but I like it. 
Very crisp bright display. Good size for a portable and quite fast. I use the 
touchscreen for webbrowsing. Even with Word I use it for paging and zooming. 
The dock is useful as it has a single magnetic connector. I don't carry the 
power plug with me as I did with the laptop. The pen is nice to have but I 
don't use it very often.Onenote is a great tool with the surface. Started 
documenting site installations with it. Simple add iptables, pictures, graphs 
to a sheet which is clickable. 

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Ken Hohhof  
Datum: 11.11.2016  15:09  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Microsoft scratch-off COA 

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Stefan Englhardt]

Defend their country? With syria this is complicated. Depending on where you 
live and what your religion is you are on one of the many sides. Many died 
without the knowledge what side killed them.



Our wall was there for a long time. Language was the same but … To bring the 
eastern back online was *very* expensive and it is still not done.



A wall seperate humans. In Europe you travel without walls. I drive through 
austria to italy only stopped by these guys who want money for travelling over 
their roads. A spain could come to us and work. A lot of Bulgarian work in 
other european countries. The income in bulgarian is comparable to mexicans.



Germany always pay money for Europe. Eastern countries get money until they 
close up. You should see how and where e.g. VW produces cars and parts. But 
they also sell into these countries.



On the long run it makes sense to partner with your neighbors. Even if you 
think your neighbor has the bigger benefit.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy /sarcasm
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 16:49
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics



I dont understand it, we built a boatload of ebola camps in africa that are 
unused, why not stage the refugees there while theyre vetted. 99 percent of 
them are good folks, they need to get out of the warzone. Men of fighting age 
should be the lowest priority for resettlement since theyre choosing not to 
defend their country, you cant really blame them since they dont have the 
resources to do so though.



germany had a wall that isolated its citizens from one another, quite a 
difference between that and a border wall.



On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

We got 1,000, refugees within 12 month. As you know germany is a lot 
smaller than US...  A refugee is not neccesary there to stay forever. You help 
him to stay alive and as his country comes back to "normal" you ask him to go 
back.
You should look at the situation of these people and consider yourself and your 
family in this situation.

Best would be to help neighbor countries to be able to help, so people do not 
need to travel this far (and it is a lot cheaper to help). In fact there are a 
lot of syrian in neighbor countries which need help themselfes.

But sorry your president will bomb someone to hell and build walls (remember we 
are happy our wall was teared down not so long ago). Did not hear "humanity" 
out of his mouth. But yes. America first. Very selfish. We had the same 
discussions with England. They do not like refugees, too. They dont like to be 
in Europe. They want to stay on their own.
Is this where we all are heading to. Selfish countries which do not like the 
others and let them alone?



> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im 
> Auftrag von Sam Morris
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 16:00
> An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

>
> If Clinton said it, that in and of itself is enough to call that statement 
> into
> question.
>
> On 11/9/2016 12:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
> >  Clinton said we can support
> > 600,000 syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the
> > undocumented population we could migrate into citizens...today











--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Stefan Englhardt]

We got 1,000, refugees within 12 month. As you know germany is a lot 
smaller than US...  A refugee is not neccesary there to stay forever. You help 
him to stay alive and as his country comes back to "normal" you ask him to go 
back.
You should look at the situation of these people and consider yourself and your 
family in this situation.

Best would be to help neighbor countries to be able to help, so people do not 
need to travel this far (and it is a lot cheaper to help). In fact there are a 
lot of syrian in neighbor countries which need help themselfes.

But sorry your president will bomb someone to hell and build walls (remember we 
are happy our wall was teared down not so long ago). Did not hear "humanity" 
out of his mouth. But yes. America first. Very selfish. We had the same 
discussions with England. They do not like refugees, too. They dont like to be 
in Europe. They want to stay on their own.
Is this where we all are heading to. Selfish countries which do not like the 
others and let them alone?



> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Sam Morris
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 16:00
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics
>
> If Clinton said it, that in and of itself is enough to call that statement 
> into
> question.
>
> On 11/9/2016 12:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
> >  Clinton said we can support
> > 600,000 syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the
> > undocumented population we could migrate into citizens...today

Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[Stefan Englhardt]

We are still laughing on this joke. A cracy hotel manager tries to promote his 
hotels and tells rediculous things to be heard. With every day he tells more 
senseless hurting stuff. At the end he is president.
What was the Regisseur of this 3rd class remake. 
Come on guys how deep is deep enough?

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Jaime Solorza  
Datum: 10.11.2016  06:31  (GMT+01:00) 
An: Animal Farm  
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?