Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

According to radio mobile I'm about 7 miles but I say 8 to be safe
On Feb 23, 2016 5:33 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> According to the spec sheet, you'll need a signal -65 to get MCS15, I
> don't see per modulation tx power specs, so I'm going to assume it's
> somewhere around 20dBm for MCS15 - going with those numbers, you should get
> somewhere around -60 at 8 miles... that's about as far as I'd push it.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah - 40 miles appears to be the max for ePMP. Realistically, it
>> *should* be possible to get full modulation at 8 miles with Force 200's,
>> but at 20 miles, you're going to want bigger dishes.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a non smart-ass answer, there are probably some timing constraints
>>> that will limit the distance before the RF will, assuming LOS.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:47 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>>
>>> I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

Thanks for the info Mathew ... I don't like more than 10 miles. But was
curious at 20
On Feb 23, 2016 5:28 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah - 40 miles appears to be the max for ePMP. Realistically, it *should*
> be possible to get full modulation at 8 miles with Force 200's, but at 20
> miles, you're going to want bigger dishes.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> As a non smart-ass answer, there are probably some timing constraints
>> that will limit the distance before the RF will, assuming LOS.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>
>> I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
>>
>> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>
>>
>> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

So what would be the recommended distance for the force 200 not to have
issues to be reliable ?
On Feb 23, 2016 5:24 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> As a non smart-ass answer, there are probably some timing constraints that
> will limit the distance before the RF will, assuming LOS.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>
> I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
>
> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>
>
> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

+1
On Feb 23, 2016 4:57 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Your math confuses me...
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> 158 dB using 23 dBi integrated antenna according to the spec sheet.
>>
>> 158=20 log D + 20 log 5800
>> 7.9=log D +3.76
>> 4.14=log D
>>
>> 10 to the 4.14 power = 13,804 miles
>>
>> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>
>>
>> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

I want a 8 mile link first and may attempt a 20 mile later really wanna
push a 100/100 circuit
On Feb 23, 2016 4:51 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Assuming clear LOS, I don't see why not, but personally I would want to
> use bigger dishes for that long of a link.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 20 +miles ?
>> On Feb 23, 2016 4:47 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

20 +miles ?
On Feb 23, 2016 4:47 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I think earth curvature will probably be the limiting factor.
>
> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance
>
>
> What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?
>

[AFMUG] Force 200 Ptp distance

[Joseph Marsh]

What is the max distance for a force 200 Ptp link?

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

If someone has any info on the STL links. Send me a message off list.

I wanna know everything possible about it
On Feb 18, 2016 12:37 PM, "Joseph Marsh" <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Josh
>
> He has 6000 watts on the main transmitter
> On Feb 18, 2016 12:22 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You could be OK.  Definitely not a "will be" especially with unknown
>> power.
>>
>> Also keep in mind you're supposed to lower the power when climbing on the
>> tower.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So if I do shielded cat 5 I should be okay correct?
>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:55 AM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're on a very similar site. We're running 100Mb and GigE links with
>>>> no issues. However, external surge suppressors on the tower near the radios
>>>> did give us errors, so we had to take them out... and pray.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2016 11:38 AM, Joseph Marsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The transmitter is 6000 watts 350 ft tall. We are going up at 125ft
>>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:29 AM, "Joseph Marsh" <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a
>>>>> privately. Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
>>>>>> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box
>>>>>> so he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>>>>>>> shielded cable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <
>>>>>>> josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with
>>>>>>>> cambium and ubnt. Equipment
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet

[Joseph Marsh]

I would ask them for a model of the equipment and research it
On Feb 18, 2016 12:31 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> One of my VMs is supposed to be for some HAMs running a C-Bridge system.
> hoosierdmr.net
>
> They're moving to their own VM from a shared one now. The shared one now
> stays generally between 10 - 15 megs. I don't know how much of that is the
> HAM guys and how much is the other operations of that box. I don't care
> enough to look into it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jerry Head" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 18, 2016 8:04:57 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet
>
> I think a few of the list members out there are HAMs  so I need some
> advice please.
> I support our local HAM group and  have allowed them to place repeaters
> on two of my towers
> at no charge to their group. Now one of their members has asked for
> Internet service at one of the
> sites for HAM use. I have heard something about HAMs using the Internet
> to "talk" so I guess this is
> not unusual.
> For me the kicker is that he is asking for 20x20Mbps service...I
> certainly have the capacity but
> that just seems excessive.
> Opinions anyone?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

Josh

He has 6000 watts on the main transmitter
On Feb 18, 2016 12:22 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> You could be OK.  Definitely not a "will be" especially with unknown power.
>
> Also keep in mind you're supposed to lower the power when climbing on the
> tower.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So if I do shielded cat 5 I should be okay correct?
>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:55 AM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We're on a very similar site. We're running 100Mb and GigE links with no
>>> issues. However, external surge suppressors on the tower near the radios
>>> did give us errors, so we had to take them out... and pray.
>>>
>>> On 2/18/2016 11:38 AM, Joseph Marsh wrote:
>>>
>>> The transmitter is 6000 watts 350 ft tall. We are going up at 125ft
>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:29 AM, "Joseph Marsh" <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a
>>>> privately. Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need
>>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
>>>>> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>>>>>
>>>>> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box
>>>>> so he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>>>>>> shielded cable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <
>>>>>> josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with
>>>>>>> cambium and ubnt. Equipment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

The owner has fiber optic at the main station. The remote tower has a 900
mhz link

Since he is doing a stl via internet. Would it be better to feed him from a
different site for redundant backup he has a generator at the tower
On Feb 18, 2016 12:23 PM, "Daniel White" <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just prioritize the traffic on your network, treat it like VoIP and it
> should be fine.  Ideally licensed backhaul for low latency.
>
> Lots of ways to transmit STL traffic but for audio most likely it should
> already be IP.  You will probably need to hand off a CAT5 cable on each
> side.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Daniel White
> afmu...@gmail.com
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:47 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
> >
> > On 2/18/16 09:43, Joseph Marsh wrote:
> > > So what is the stl boxes. He said he wants to tunnel the radio station
> > > feed to tower by internet and I'm lost on the radio station setup
> >
> >
> > I typically see Barix. But it could be any IP streaming encoder/decoder
> pair.
> >
> > ~Seth
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

So if I do shielded cat 5 I should be okay correct?
On Feb 18, 2016 11:55 AM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> We're on a very similar site. We're running 100Mb and GigE links with no
> issues. However, external surge suppressors on the tower near the radios
> did give us errors, so we had to take them out... and pray.
>
> On 2/18/2016 11:38 AM, Joseph Marsh wrote:
>
> The transmitter is 6000 watts 350 ft tall. We are going up at 125ft
> On Feb 18, 2016 11:29 AM, "Joseph Marsh" <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a privately.
>> Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need
>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>>>
>>> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
>>> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>>>
>>>
>>> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>>>
>>> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box so
>>> he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
>>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>>>> shielded cable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <
>>>> josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with
>>>>> cambium and ubnt. Equipment
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

So what is the stl boxes. He said he wants to tunnel the radio station feed
to tower by internet and I'm lost on the radio station setup
On Feb 18, 2016 11:37 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Clear channel has three STL links using Airaya radios I sold and installed
> for them years ago. ...
> Pretty reliable.
> On Feb 18, 2016 10:25 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>>
>> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
>> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>>
>> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>>
>>
>> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>>
>> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box so
>> he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>>> shielded cable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <
>>> josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with cambium
>>>> and ubnt. Equipment
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

The transmitter is 6000 watts 350 ft tall. We are going up at 125ft
On Feb 18, 2016 11:29 AM, "Joseph Marsh" <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a privately.
> Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need
> On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>>
>> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
>> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>>
>> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>>
>>
>> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>>
>> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box so
>> he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
>> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>>> shielded cable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <
>>> josephmarsh2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with cambium
>>>> and ubnt. Equipment
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a privately.
Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need
On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 inside.
>
> Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.
> Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.
>
> *From:* Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
>
>
> He told us but can't  remember off hand
>
> I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box so
> he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
> On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
>> shielded cable.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with cambium
>>> and ubnt. Equipment
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium cnPilot R200 and R201

[Joseph Marsh]

We love them better than netgear
On Feb 18, 2016 11:09 AM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> For those of you using the R200 or R201 routers, do you like their
> performance, range, reliability? Do they work well with cnMaestro?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

He told us but can't  remember off hand

I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a stl box so he
can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system
On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  Definitely use
> shielded cable.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with cambium
>> and ubnt. Equipment
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

[Joseph Marsh]

How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe with cambium and
ubnt. Equipment

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Copper - Wholesaler or Direct?

[Joseph Marsh]

What kind of services you want ? I have a guy I use might be able to help
On Feb 11, 2016 9:04 AM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> When looking for copper services (T1, or Ethernet), is it preferable to
> deal with Verizon directly, or with a wholesale outfit?
>
> If wholesale, any suggestions for who to call?
>
> Thanks, Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Copper - Wholesaler or Direct?

[Joseph Marsh]

I sent my guy a email to see if he can help awaiting reply from him
On Feb 11, 2016 9:41 AM, "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
wrote:

> The specific case that brought me to the question is a remote location
> that I cannot yet serve with wireless, they are on Verizon copper, but
> nowhere near DSL service. I'm expecting T1 to be available, and want to ask
> about low end Ethernet pricing as I may be able to use the location for an
> AP site.
>
>
> --
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Joseph Marsh <josephmarsh2...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What kind of services you want ? I have a guy I use might be able to help
>> On Feb 11, 2016 9:04 AM, "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When looking for copper services (T1, or Ethernet), is it preferable to
>>> deal with Verizon directly, or with a wholesale outfit?
>>>
>>> If wholesale, any suggestions for who to call?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Chris
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Joseph Marsh]

6 gauge solid copper  is what we do

-Original Message-
From: "Jay Weekley" 
Sent: ‎12/‎8/‎2015 10:08 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

Distance from what you are grounding to your ground point is often a 
factor.  I've got a chart for NOC grounding but I'm not sure if that is 
applicable to Nate's project.

Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  > wrote:
>
> Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size? 
> I'm guessing that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need
> a smaller ground wire than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full
> Cell Array.  Does it have somethign to do with the amount of
> conductive surface area?
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.5ms frame

[Joseph Marsh]

We have it on our sectors 

-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: ‎12/‎5/‎2015 9:39 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.5ms frame

It became available with software v2.5 if that's what you're asking.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

wasnt 2.5 frames announced some time ago?


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Like 80% sure I'm right but ya latency is the most important.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 4, 2015 7:47 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

Isn't throughput supposed to be slightly worse with 2.5ms, or am I remembering 
that wrong? There is definitely a big improvement in latency.


Either way, I don't think the difference in throughput is enough to care about, 
I'd rather have the lower latency.



On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

A bit more throughput.  Not worth changing from 5ms to 2.5ms if all you're 
after is throughput.  Any new APs I do 2.5ms instead of 5ms since there's no 
reason to do it "the old way".  You do get better latency - 7.5ms improvement.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

It's a big day for ePMP threads.

If I recall correctly, the 2.5ms frame size was introduced to aid in 
collocation with the PMP100.  Is there any performance impact?  My first 
thought was that a shorter frame would give me lower latency, but it's probably 
not that simple.

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Issue With Helpers

[Joseph Marsh]

I've had one that tried to tell us how to install  the radio 

-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
Sent: ‎11/‎17/‎2015 4:17 PM
To: "af" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Issue With Helpers

Yeah, but what if they're already on the roof? I think pushing them off would 
be frowned upon.



On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

I'll stop them...tell them my insurance won't allow it.  It might even be true.


On 11/17/2015 4:44 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I've had it happen... they usually don't even bother to ask, they just come up 
while your back is turned and start annoying you.



On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Never heard of a customer going up the ladder...that's so weird...




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

I often told customers that they were prohibited from using my ladder as it was 
a liability concern.  I welcomed them to put up their own ladder if they wanted 
to follow on the roof.  Typically at least kept them on the ground.  Never had 
anyone challenge me on it.
 
Thank you,
 
Daniel White
afmu...@gmail.com
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: Twitter
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 3:11 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Issue With Helpers
 
If they're the type to follow you around, that's very likely to backfire :P
 
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
Start debating creationism with them.
 
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
Some of them will just follow you around no matter what you do... not a lot you 
can do other than just deal with it.
 
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
hand the customer paperwork or documents to sign or a welcome pamphlet etc.
 
 
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Ryan  wrote:
Hey everyone,
 
This past couple of weeks a couple of our installers have been having issues 
with installing equipment at a customer’s location (not because it didn’t work, 
but because the customer is following them absolutely everywhere they go) and 
it is adding a lot of time/frustration to their jobs. Has anyone else on here 
come up with a nice way to deal with these kind of situations? They don’t come 
up all of the time but when they do it is very frustrating.
 
Thanks,
 
Ryan
Fourway.net
 
 
 
 




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Re: [AFMUG] 5 Wifi Extenders

[Joseph Marsh]

How big is this house ? I honestly hate the extenders  

-Original Message-
From: "Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc" 
Sent: ‎11/‎17/‎2015 4:42 PM
To: "memb...@wispa.org" ; "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5 Wifi Extenders

Any of you ever come across a house with this many extenders.  Sounds like 
trouble lurking to me.
 
Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 
 

What can ICI do for you? 

Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP 
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[AFMUG] Application for service forms

[Joseph Marsh]

Does anyone have any application for service that they could share 

I'm redoing our paperwork and need some ideas 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

[Joseph Marsh]

Will be later tomorrow it's 30 miles away in a restaurant  in a travel center 

-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 7:03 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

Screenshot?


I did mine on 2.4.  Called it like second-SSID.  Seems just fine to me.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

Tring to add additional  wlans but will not let me add  additional wlans says 
invalid I'd

I upgraded it to use cn maestro as well 


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid


I just did it on mine, doesn't seem to be a problem.  What are you doing 
exactly that doesn't work?




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it the same  


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid


Which model?  I just got my r201.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 11, 2015 3:57 PM, "Joseph Marsh" <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is anyone using this hotspot  yet ? 

We can't get no more than one said to work

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

[Joseph Marsh]

Tring to add additional  wlans but will not let me add  additional wlans says 
invalid I'd

I upgraded it to use cn maestro as well 

-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 3:58 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

I just did it on mine, doesn't seem to be a problem.  What are you doing 
exactly that doesn't work?




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it the same  


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2015 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid


Which model?  I just got my r201.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 11, 2015 3:57 PM, "Joseph Marsh" <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is anyone using this hotspot  yet ? 

We can't get no more than one said to work

[AFMUG] Epmp hotspot ssid

[Joseph Marsh]

Is anyone using this hotspot  yet ? 

We can't get no more than one said to work

Re: [AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router

[Joseph Marsh]

I got a router I need help in uploading a script in for att mis fiber 

-Original Message-
From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
Sent: ‎9/‎23/‎2015 2:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router

You're probably going to need to be more specific...

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

Does anyone know how to program a Cisco 1921 for att fiber 

[AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router

[Joseph Marsh]

Does anyone know how to program a Cisco 1921 for att fiber 

Re: [AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router

[Joseph Marsh]

I got the script  but I don't know how to program the Cisco 

-Original Message-
From: "Eric Rogers" <ecrog...@precisionds.com>
Sent: ‎9/‎23/‎2015 4:50 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router

When I had AT, they were very good.  During the turn-up, he sent me a sample 
configuration of a Cisco switch.   I applied the config to their port, and 
viola, it worked.
 
Eric Rogers


 
www.pdsconnect.me
(317) 831-3000 x200
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Programming a Cisco fiber router
 
You're probably going to need to be more specific...

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone know how to program a Cisco 1921 for att fiber 

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

It's in a rural backwoods area  but fiber is right beside it and we can feed 
from our existing network 

-Original Message-
From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

Those are 1 foot each right? That doesn't sound out of line if it isn't 
completely in the middle of nowhere. If it is, maybe $2 a foot.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

2-force 110 dishes 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line, both? what 
sizes? anything else going up there?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

2-force 110 dishes 

-Original Message-
From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line, both? what 
sizes? anything else going up there?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

[AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

Towercomm is the same way I done same hight as the tv tower its equals the same 
 

I thought it was a good deal but wanted another persons opinion

-Original Message-
From: "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 10:05 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

Well that seems like a deal not even worth questioning isn't it?  Am I missing 
something here?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Per foot of height is what I was presuming he meant.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

2.50 a foot  per antenna  per month 


From: Jeremy
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 9:50 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


$2.00 a foot?  Is this per day?  Crown Castle is $100 per foot of dish and $75 
per sector, per month.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

It's in a rural backwoods area  but fiber is right beside it and we can feed 
from our existing network 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Those are 1 foot each right? That doesn't sound out of line if it isn't 
completely in the middle of nowhere. If it is, maybe $2 a foot.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

2-force 110 dishes 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line, both? what 
sizes? anything else going up there?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell







-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Joseph Marsh]

We are going up at 100 ft its a relay tower for Alabama public tv 

-Original Message-
From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 10:08 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

Depends. Maybe if he needs to be at 500 feet it isn't worth $1k.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015, 10:05 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well that seems like a deal not even worth questioning isn't it?  Am I missing 
something here?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Per foot of height is what I was presuming he meant.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

2.50 a foot  per antenna  per month 


From: Jeremy
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 9:50 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


$2.00 a foot?  Is this per day?  Crown Castle is $100 per foot of dish and $75 
per sector, per month.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

It's in a rural backwoods area  but fiber is right beside it and we can feed 
from our existing network 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Those are 1 foot each right? That doesn't sound out of line if it isn't 
completely in the middle of nowhere. If it is, maybe $2 a foot.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

2-force 110 dishes 


From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question


Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line, both? what 
sizes? anything else going up there?


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station  is 2.50 
a foot  a bad price or is it too high?





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell





-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell







-- 

Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting - 3rd party monitoriing services

[Joseph Marsh]

Asentria does tower light monitoring and a ton of other stuff 

-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net
Sent: ‎8/‎27/‎2015 8:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lighting - 3rd party monitoriing services

We have one tower we own (320ft.) .  When we acquired the tower, they were 
using a company Flash Technology in Franklin Tennessee to monitor the lighting 
system.  We just kept using them.  The technology is “only” about 10 to 12 
years old that is in use there, but the control boards can get quite expensive 
and we’ve had to replace various boards, parts at the bottom, which adds up. 
Flash Technology supports the equipment as well.
 
So… 2 questions.
 
What are people using for a 3rd party monitoring company for tower lighting?  
Anybody doing it themselves?  I think it has to report to the FAA within a 
couple hours of any lighting outage, then report once the lighting is normal 
again.
 
Paul
 
 
 
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net
 

[AFMUG] Platypus question

[Joseph Marsh]

Does anyone use playpus ? Likes or dislikes 

Needing info whether to use them or not

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

[Joseph Marsh]

Darin,

We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far 

-Original Message-
From: Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org; 
Principal WISPA Member List w...@wispa.org
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

Hello guys,


Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums.


I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.


Any feedback would be great. Thanks






-- 

Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

[Joseph Marsh]

We have all ubnt on current network our new network is going all epmp  2.4 
sucks here  

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 3:29 PM
To: af af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback

I agree with Josh... if I  was building a new network at this point the only 
ubnt stuff I'd use is airfiber. 
On Aug 23, 2015 1:02 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

If I was starting out there would be no Ubnt stuff in my network.  I'd have 
just ePMP.  The only downside at this point in time is the lack of a good 2.4 
CPE (Force 200) which is done and works well, but isn't quite shipping.  
Nowadays, though, I don't know if I'm going to be doing a whole lot of 2.4 
anything...




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joseph Marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

Darin,

We have ubnt m5 and epmp 5ghz deployed and we  like both so far 


From: Darin Steffl
Sent: ‎8/‎23/‎2015 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP Feedback


Hello guys,


Have any of you used Ubiquiti M-Series and also used ePMP now to compare the 
differences in your network? We're building out some new sites and comparing 
Ubiquiti AC gear to ePMP and really would like to hear some more recent 
feedback on the ePMP platform since it always seems like it isn't talked about 
much on the list or in the forums.


I know ePMP is fully certified for all bands while Ubiquiti is still only 
certified and running in the upper bands, except for beta which now has UNII-1 
as well. I'm most interested in how ePMP scales on towers compared to UBNT and 
how it handles a low signal client better than UBNT when a dish gets 
misaligned. Consistent jitter and ping is also something I'd be interested in 
hearing about to see how it handles VOIP and gaming better than UBNT.


Any feedback would be great. Thanks






-- 

Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

[Joseph Marsh]

Brandon have u had any interference issues on non GPS ?

-Original Message-
From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
Sent: ‎8/‎7/‎2015 7:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

We have 3 links up so far. One has been running several months the others about 
a month. All on non GPS eptp.
 
 
Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 4:56 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?
 
According to my notes, we installed it April 10th, it's uptime is 31 days right 
now... I'm not sure why it was reset at that point. 
I just remembered another one that's been up for about a month... I haven't 
seen any problems with any of them, you must just be lucky.
 
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:
How long has it been up?  According to Cambium I'm the only one that's been 
experiencing a bug and it's all over the place.  They've got a fix for it but 
it's just so weird that I'm the only one with the problem =/


 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
Yep, I just replaced a pair of NanoBridges with Force 110's doing ePTP a couple 
days ago and we have at least one other.
 
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:
Anyone at all?

 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

[Joseph Marsh]

We are about to deploy 2 eptp links 

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: ‎8/‎7/‎2015 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Is anyone here doing ePTP at all?

Anyone at all?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] major (fiber? routing ? ) issues in south - tn, alabama, elsewhere?

[Joseph Marsh]

Att phones back up

-Original Message-
From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
Sent: ‎8/‎4/‎2015 3:50 PM
To: outa...@outages.org outa...@outages.org
Cc: memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] major (fiber? routing ? ) issues in south - tn, 
alabama,elsewhere?

 
No Verizon OR ATT Cell service in parts of North Alabama (Cullman, Florence)
Isolated reports coming in from all over North Alabama.
At least one WISP reports an outage in TN - backbone is ATT
Anonymous report from a friend who works at TVA tells me they have problems 
with all their MPLS connections.
 
Here is one news story linking to it:
 
http://whnt.com/2015/08/04/social-media-users-report-widespread-cell-outages/
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads

[Joseph Marsh]

We are bumping up to 50 meg 

-Original Message-
From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
Sent: ‎7/‎30/‎2015 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads

20 meg is only a lot in Alabama !
On Jul 30, 2015 7:37 AM, Joseph Marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

We are around 20 meg for the last 24 hours 


From: Tushar Patel
Sent: ‎7/‎30/‎2015 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads


We saw significant increase Tuesday night and last night too. I am sure 
throughout the day too. But I only look at the peaks. 


Was asking in the office, are we sure we have all the Ap's doing rate limiting. 


But after I saw the windows 10 release. It made sense.

Tushar



On Jul 30, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:


Slight increase but nothing really noticeable .. it sounds like it has been 
fairly staggered in delivery just based on my own personal PC’s and when they 
popped up with the notice.  The update is quite reasonable in size too which 
helps ….
 
I must say though .. so far, I really like Windows 10 compared to 8.1 J
 
Paul
 
 
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Bandwidth usage increase due to Windows 10 downloads
 
Anybody seeing significantly increased bandwidth since yesterday, due to folks 
downloading Windows 10 on release day?
 
Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Re: Cambium Force 200

[joseph marsh]

You did reply to tushar several emails ago
On Jul 23, 2015 11:26 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 Am I seeing this correctly? I replied to the email from Tushar but it said
 the sender was Joseph Marsh?

  Forwarded Message 
 Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 200
 Date:   Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:54:11 +
 From:   joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 Reply-To:   af@afmug.com
 To: af@afmug.com



 2.4

 On Jul 23, 2015 11:44 AM, Tushar Patel tpa...@ecpi.com mailto:
 tpa...@ecpi.com wrote:

This is for ePMP 5 GHz?

Tushar


On Jul 23, 2015, at 11:18 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have some trial dishes

 On Jul 23, 2015 9:53 AM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net
 mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 Anyone know when these will be available?  I've heard they
 work GREAT from someone that has actually used some trial units.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 200

[joseph marsh]

I'm playing with mine  Friday afternoon. Never even plugged mine up

They Are still sitting in the office
On Jul 23, 2015 12:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 5 GHz is going to be first for everything for 10+ years I expect.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is 5ghz coming first with these? A distributor told me the 2.4 was coming
 pretty soon, but he didn't mention anything about the 5ghz version.

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Obviously 5 GHz is coming first but I'm assuming/expecting to see 2.4 as
 well.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Tushar Patel tpa...@ecpi.com wrote:

 This is for ePMP 5 GHz?

 Tushar


 On Jul 23, 2015, at 11:18 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have some trial dishes
 On Jul 23, 2015 9:53 AM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net
 wrote:

 Anyone know when these will be available?  I've heard they work
 GREAT from someone that has actually used some trial units.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 200

[joseph marsh]

I have some trial dishes
On Jul 23, 2015 9:53 AM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 Anyone know when these will be available?  I've heard they work GREAT
 from someone that has actually used some trial units.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 200

[joseph marsh]

2.4
On Jul 23, 2015 11:44 AM, Tushar Patel tpa...@ecpi.com wrote:

 This is for ePMP 5 GHz?

 Tushar


 On Jul 23, 2015, at 11:18 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have some trial dishes
 On Jul 23, 2015 9:53 AM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 Anyone know when these will be available?  I've heard they work GREAT
 from someone that has actually used some trial units.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync

[joseph marsh]

We love epmp here we may start doing away with ubnt

We have 20/20 fiber  at one site. And we get full throughput with no issues
On Jul 21, 2015 12:52 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote:

 Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are
 getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that
 they claim?



 Josh Heide

 Network Engineer

 Velociter Wireless, Inc.

 (209)838-1221 x108

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Finally done!

[joseph marsh]

We want a hard copy too
On Jul 1, 2015 9:57 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you buy enough product Chuck will send you an autographed copy.
 On Jul 1, 2015 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 I'd love one!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 1, 2015 7:33 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   We have lots of fun stuff now.
 Do you want a hard copy?

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 01, 2015 3:55 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Finally done!

  That tower mount list is waaay too big.  It fills almost 25% of my
 screen...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 5:53 PM
 Subject: Finally done!
 To: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com


  *I finally got the catalog done!*
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 got the web site finally cleaned up too.  WWW.MCCOWNTECH.COM
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 MTC name has been around for a long time and is the underlying IP holder
 for all the products.  Wireless Beehive is no longer connected with us so
 we decided to use the company name we started with.

 The new extra large chain mount.

 Put a big dish on a small tower.  Works on sheet metal towers too.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Finally done!

[joseph marsh]

+1 I'll take one as well
On Jul 2, 2015 8:05 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  maybe a bikini babe calendar, showing the M-Tow of the month?



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 6:35 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Finally done!



 We want a hard copy too

 On Jul 1, 2015 9:57 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you buy enough product Chuck will send you an autographed copy.

 On Jul 1, 2015 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 I'd love one!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jul 1, 2015 7:33 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 We have lots of fun stuff now.

 Do you want a hard copy?



 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 01, 2015 3:55 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fwd: Finally done!



 That tower mount list is waaay too big.  It fills almost 25% of my
 screen...



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 -- Forwarded message --
 From: *Chuck McCown* ch...@wbmfg.com
 Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 5:53 PM
 Subject: Finally done!
 To: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

  *I finally got the catalog done!*

 View this email in your browser
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*The quick way to load test a new pole mount!*


Finally got the catalog finished. Check out all
 our new tower mounts.
   Chuck McCown says Hi!



 We have added a bunch of new tower mounting product to allow you to mount
 almost anything to any tower or pole.  And I got the web site finally
 cleaned up too.  WWW.MCCOWNTECH.COM
 MTC formerly known as  (WB Manfacturing)

 Please check out the new catalog: http://bit.ly/1eYzD9V
 http://wbmfg.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=98c1d7a210acd35707b9ba4d7id=69dfaf13bce=a560c487b8

 The old WB Manufacturing site is still there, same site actually but the
 MTC name has been around for a long time and is the underlying IP holder
 for all the products.  Wireless Beehive is no longer connected with us so
 we decided to use the company name we started with.

*The new extra large chain mount.*

*Put a big dish on a small tower.  Works on sheet metal towers too.*



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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/

[joseph marsh]

My epmp poe writing on which port is what is dark like the markings have
faded
On Jun 25, 2015 11:43 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

 And yet, we have a contingent of subscribers that manage to do it the
 wrong way with multiple variations.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 6/25/2015 9:23 AM, Steve D wrote:

 However, the comment so easy a caveman could do it is so absolutely
 true - you really had to go out of your way to plug it in wrong.

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/

[joseph marsh]

I honestly hate the epmp poe and the old ones are so easy a cave man can do
it
On Jun 25, 2015 10:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:

 blacbox

 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

 Thanks for the link josh.  They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of
 $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone.  Also
 eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution.

 Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers!

 -Sean


 On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:


 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

 Dear Cambium,

 Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to?

 It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures
 AND our tech support procedures.  The new POE is also very cumbersome and
 prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc.

 Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer
 so that we can still buy them?

 -Sean


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Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

Cogent rep brought this up and said it would be a few days for him to find
me contact info to ask that my self
Just trying to see what other places allow or don't
On Jun 24, 2015 8:44 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:

 On 6/24/15 6:41 AM, joseph marsh wrote:

 I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
 attaching a ptp radio in top of building to.



 Why not ask them?

 ~Seth

[AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center

And will they allow you to backhaul it from there

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
attaching a ptp radio in top of building to. Shoot 15 miles north to a
tower we just bought

This data center is Birmingham Al
On Jun 24, 2015 8:25 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 Depends on the data center … generally yes…



 Personally, prefer to only deal with carrier neutral data centers



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:17 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth



 Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center

 And will they allow you to backhaul it from there

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

The price of bandwidth is what is attracting me to the idea

He quoted. 100/100 for less than 700/mo

I'm paying that for 20/20 and almost to my max now
On Jun 24, 2015 8:50 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cogent rep brought this up and said it would be a few days for him to find
 me contact info to ask that my self
 Just trying to see what other places allow or don't
 On Jun 24, 2015 8:44 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:

 On 6/24/15 6:41 AM, joseph marsh wrote:

 I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
 attaching a ptp radio in top of building to.



 Why not ask them?

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

I hate integrated radios at times. I try to use connectorized when possible

But I love the epmp 5ghz integrated antennas
On Jun 24, 2015 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 b5c...  always go connectorized.

 Look at Jirous dishes too.



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 *From: *joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:14:38 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

 The mimosa b5?
 On Jun 24, 2015 9:13 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 To use an entire GigE, you would need licensed, but you can get close
 with a Mimosa.



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 *From: *Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:09:30 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

 Joseph,

 I just sent you an email. Hit me offlist, I can help you with your
 project.

 Thanks.


 Erich Kaiser
 North Central Tower
 er...@northcentraltower.com
 Office: 630-621-4804
 Cell: 630-777-9291


 On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:16 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center

 And will they allow you to backhaul it from there

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

Okay thanks Paul.

I think southern. Telecom owns the building. And. I'm told. I can be live
in 15 days via cogent

But he said level 3 and att is there too
On Jun 24, 2015 8:58 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 Can’t comment on that particular data center – but most of them will
 charge significant premiums for “roof top access”.  A data center near me
 (carrier hotel) charges $2000/month for “basic access” plus monthly conduit
 fees and construction charges to install the conduit.



 I’ve heard of some data centers that don’t charge much at all as happy to
 get the business.



 Thanks,

 Paul





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:41 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth



 I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
 attaching a ptp radio in top of building to. Shoot 15 miles north to a
 tower we just bought

 This data center is Birmingham Al

 On Jun 24, 2015 8:25 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 Depends on the data center … generally yes…



 Personally, prefer to only deal with carrier neutral data centers



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:17 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth



 Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center

 And will they allow you to backhaul it from there

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

We are wanting quality bandwidth

Isn't gig e have to be transported on licensed radios or do they make
unlicensed Radios for gig e
On Jun 24, 2015 8:59 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 Are you after quality bandwidth or cheap bandwidth?  Not dropping names,
 just thinking it’s a reasonable question and both answers are correct …



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth



 The price of bandwidth is what is attracting me to the idea

 He quoted. 100/100 for less than 700/mo

 I'm paying that for 20/20 and almost to my max now

 On Jun 24, 2015 8:50 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cogent rep brought this up and said it would be a few days for him to find
 me contact info to ask that my self
 Just trying to see what other places allow or don't

 On Jun 24, 2015 8:44 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:

 On 6/24/15 6:41 AM, joseph marsh wrote:

 I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
 attaching a ptp radio in top of building to.



 Why not ask them?

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

Just responded
On Jun 24, 2015 9:10 AM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote:

 Joseph,

 I just sent you an email. Hit me offlist, I can help you with your project.

 Thanks.


 Erich Kaiser
 North Central Tower
 er...@northcentraltower.com
 Office: 630-621-4804
 Cell: 630-777-9291


 On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:16 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center

 And will they allow you to backhaul it from there

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

But no direct phone number
On Jun 24, 2015 9:22 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 APCO/Southern Telecom Data Center
 600 18th Street N
 Birmingham, AL 35203
 United States



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 *From: *joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:03:37 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

 Okay thanks Paul.

 I think southern. Telecom owns the building. And. I'm told. I can be live
 in 15 days via cogent

 But he said level 3 and att is there too
 On Jun 24, 2015 8:58 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 Can’t comment on that particular data center – but most of them will
 charge significant premiums for “roof top access”.  A data center near me
 (carrier hotel) charges $2000/month for “basic access” plus monthly conduit
 fees and construction charges to install the conduit.



 I’ve heard of some data centers that don’t charge much at all as happy to
 get the business.



 Thanks,

 Paul





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:41 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth



 I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
 attaching a ptp radio in top of building to. Shoot 15 miles north to a
 tower we just bought

 This data center is Birmingham Al

 On Jun 24, 2015 8:25 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 Depends on the data center … generally yes…



 Personally, prefer to only deal with carrier neutral data centers



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:17 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth



 Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center

 And will they allow you to backhaul it from there

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[joseph marsh]

The mimosa b5?
On Jun 24, 2015 9:13 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 To use an entire GigE, you would need licensed, but you can get close with
 a Mimosa.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

  https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
 https://twitter.com/mdwestix
 --
 *From: *Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:09:30 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

 Joseph,

 I just sent you an email. Hit me offlist, I can help you with your project.

 Thanks.


 Erich Kaiser
 North Central Tower
 er...@northcentraltower.com
 Office: 630-621-4804
 Cell: 630-777-9291


 On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:16 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Has anyone had any good luck getting bandwidth from a data center

 And will they allow you to backhaul it from there

[AFMUG] Old canopy surge protector

[joseph marsh]

Will a 600ss surge protector work on a epmp correctly?

Re: [AFMUG] Old canopy surge protector

[joseph marsh]

Okay I had a old canopy surge protector and wanted to ask before I used it.

We are deploying epmp today
On Jun 13, 2015 3:00 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Better be safe and use a GigE-SS ...

  *From:* joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 1:56 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Old canopy surge protector


 Will a 600ss surge protector work on a epmp correctly?

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Towers

[joseph marsh]

I have a account with them
On Jun 11, 2015 10:01 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Does anyone have an active login for ATT Towers? Mine seems to have
 expired. Was just looking for their site export. Could someone send that to
 me? Thanks.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

  https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
 https://twitter.com/mdwestix

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Towers

[joseph marsh]

On Jun 11, 2015 10:07 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 Give me a few and. I'll send u the whole site list
 On Jun 11, 2015 10:02 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a account with them
 On Jun 11, 2015 10:01 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Does anyone have an active login for ATT Towers? Mine seems to have
 expired. Was just looking for their site export. Could someone send that to
 me? Thanks.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

  https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
 https://twitter.com/mdwestix

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Towers

[joseph marsh]

Give me a few and. I'll send u the whole site list
On Jun 11, 2015 10:02 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a account with them
 On Jun 11, 2015 10:01 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Does anyone have an active login for ATT Towers? Mine seems to have
 expired. Was just looking for their site export. Could someone send that to
 me? Thanks.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

  https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
 https://twitter.com/mdwestix

Re: [AFMUG] SkyDog alternative

[joseph marsh]

Interested  as well
On Jun 11, 2015 11:23 AM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net
wrote:

 I would also be interested in hearing about it. I didn't see the original
 message so I can't reply off list as I don't have your email address :)

 --
 Christopher Tyler
 MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
 Total Highspeed Internet Services
 417.851.1107

 - Original Message -
 From: Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 10:18:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SkyDog alternative

 Oh definitely, I really love Skydog and am dreading the day it turns off
 (no thanks to Comcast for killing it).

 I’ll email you.

 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 5:07 PM
 To: af
 Subject: [AFMUG] SkyDog alternative

 Hi folks,

 For those of you who remember SkyDog, I have an (better) alternative that
 is operator focused and looking for beta customers.  Hit me offlist and I
 can get you connected.  I saw the demo last week and was very impressed.

 Thanks,
 -Hal

 --

 Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links

[joseph marsh]

I got 2 links ready to deploy  just sitting the office waiting to go up on
the tower
On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Uhm...I guess?  It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does the force auto select a clean frequency?
 On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router from walmart
 in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.

 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 You mean connectorized?

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

I have actually pissed on one when I was a kid. Didn't feel good
On Jun 10, 2015 1:54 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fence charger ?
 On Jun 10, 2015 1:50 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
 activated lighting … slows them down at least J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
 that already did the damage.



 I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
 lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
 things for the base of the tower?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
 will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
 racoons



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's
 highly unlikely they'll ever try again :P



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
 climbs without permission.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
 will alert us if someone climbs without permission?









 --

 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Fence charger ?
On Jun 10, 2015 1:50 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
 activated lighting … slows them down at least J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
 that already did the damage.



 I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
 lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
 things for the base of the tower?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
 will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
 racoons



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's highly
 unlikely they'll ever try again :P



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
 climbs without permission.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
 will alert us if someone climbs without permission?









 --

 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

I don't screw around with them any more
On Jun 10, 2015 1:54 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

Fence charger ?
On Jun 10, 2015 1:50 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
 activated lighting … slows them down at least J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
 that already did the damage.



 I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
 lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
 things for the base of the tower?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
 will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
 racoons



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's highly
 unlikely they'll ever try again :P



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
 climbs without permission.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
 will alert us if someone climbs without permission?









 --

 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Some one needs to invent a automatic rifle  there is a field there and kill
deer from the office. Lol
On Jun 10, 2015 2:06 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   There are also porch lights with built in motion sensors, if there’s a
 shelter you could put on on the outside, might be nice to have an automatic
 light anyway.


  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:02 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

  Fence, barbed wire, sign, needless to say.

 Locked climb guard on the tower

 Prominent cameras, real or fake (we put big ones up around our building,
 have had 2 vandalisms in a year compared to weekly prior)

 DVR surveillance systems are dirt cheap (as with anything you get what you
 par for) but you can get cheap 16 channel with 8 cameras on newegg for
 under 500 bucks, if you want action, get one with relay outputs, have
 motion trigger whatever you want, from flood lights to claymore detonation.

 Snapshot on motion is pretty much standard on any system now



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 wrote:

  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
 activated lighting … slows them down at least J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
 that already did the damage.



 I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
 lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
 things for the base of the tower?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
 will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
 racoons



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's
 highly unlikely they'll ever try again :P



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
 climbs without permission.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
 will alert us if someone climbs without permission?









 --

 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Remote control rifle  I know. I'm dreaming
On Jun 10, 2015 2:10 PM, wrote:

 Some one needs to invent a automatic rifle  there is a field there and
 kill deer from the office. Lol
 On Jun 10, 2015 2:06 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   There are also porch lights with built in motion sensors, if there’s a
 shelter you could put on on the outside, might be nice to have an automatic
 light anyway.


  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:02 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

  Fence, barbed wire, sign, needless to say.

 Locked climb guard on the tower

 Prominent cameras, real or fake (we put big ones up around our building,
 have had 2 vandalisms in a year compared to weekly prior)

 DVR surveillance systems are dirt cheap (as with anything you get what
 you par for) but you can get cheap 16 channel with 8 cameras on newegg for
 under 500 bucks, if you want action, get one with relay outputs, have
 motion trigger whatever you want, from flood lights to claymore detonation.

 Snapshot on motion is pretty much standard on any system now



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 wrote:

  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
 activated lighting … slows them down at least J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
 that already did the damage.



 I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
 lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
 things for the base of the tower?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
 will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
 racoons



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's
 highly unlikely they'll ever try again :P



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if
 someone climbs without permission.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
 will alert us if someone climbs without permission?









 --

 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

We are gonna put cameras up anyways

Who sells the motion sensor with snapshot notification??
 On Jun 10, 2015 1:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR will
 do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of racoons

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's highly
 unlikely they'll ever try again :P

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
 climbs without permission.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
 will alert us if someone climbs without permission?






 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Who sell the gate contact sensors ?

Preferred vendor on motion activated cameras
On Jun 10, 2015 1:28 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote:

 Several things comes to mind.

 1.Contact sensors on the compound gates
 2.A shield over the safety ladder with a contact sensor hooked to an
 audible alarm
 3.Motion activated cameras for first line of defense.



 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
 http://www.mtin.net  Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
 http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics
 http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange

 On Jun 10, 2015, at 2:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
 that already did the damage.

 I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
 lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
 things for the base of the tower?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR will
 do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of racoons

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's highly
 unlikely they'll ever try again :P

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
 climbs without permission.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
 will alert us if someone climbs without permission?






 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Lol
On Jun 10, 2015 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
 climbs without permission.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
 will alert us if someone climbs without permission?

[AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that will
alert us if someone climbs without permission?

Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security

[joseph marsh]

This is in city limits cops wouldn't be far away
On Jun 10, 2015 1:54 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fence charger ?
 On Jun 10, 2015 1:50 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

  Forgot to add like 90v to the fence..  just enough for them to go, WTF.



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 1:48 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 Fence with barb wire, locked gate, anticlimb panels, cameras, motion
 activated lighting … slows them down at least J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:20 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell tower security



 That doesn't really help prevent it, though.  That just catches the guy
 that already did the damage.



 I'd do something like make the camera very obvious and motion activated
 lights if you want to do prevention.  What about using the sheet metal
 things for the base of the tower?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  Motion sensor surveillance with snapshot notification, any cheap DVR
 will do that now. Get the snapshot so you know whether its manpeople of
 racoons



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  That is an excellent idea! not only will you be alerted, but it's
 highly unlikely they'll ever try again :P



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

  Put 220vac on the tower.  You'll definitely get a phone call if someone
 climbs without permission.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is there a system to use  to prevent unauthorized tower climbing  that
 will alert us if someone climbs without permission?









 --

 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.

[joseph marsh]

Thanks. Who's a good supplier to buy from
On Jun 3, 2015 3:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Genesis batteries.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is them alarm batteries?
 On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote:

  What does the second device do?

 On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com
 wrote:

  Why do you need both meanwell parts?  Do you have a sample setup
 pictures or diagram?

 On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote:

 He said he already has PacketFlux injectors.

 The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is
 also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27).

 I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything.

 My $0.0314

 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

 Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your
 converting DC to AC and then back to DC

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
 li...@gogebicrange.net wrote:

  Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit.
 http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html



 We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It
 all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through 
 PacketFlux.
 Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in
 a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a
 long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues
 during storms.







 Best regards,

 Brandon Yuchasz

 GogebicRange.net

 www.gogebicrange.net

Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.

[joseph marsh]

Is them alarm batteries?
On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote:

  What does the second device do?

 On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote:

  Why do you need both meanwell parts?  Do you have a sample setup
 pictures or diagram?

 On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote:

 He said he already has PacketFlux injectors.

 The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also
 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27).

 I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything.

 My $0.0314

 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

 Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your
 converting DC to AC and then back to DC

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
 wrote:

  Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit.
 http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html



 We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all
 cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux.
 Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in
 a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a
 long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues
 during storms.







 Best regards,

 Brandon Yuchasz

 GogebicRange.net

 www.gogebicrange.net

Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.

[joseph marsh]

Kick ass I'm gonna explore this more
On Jun 3, 2015 3:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 If you zoom in closely you'll see the sticker on the batteries =)

 use code SLABATT10
 Genesis NP12-12
 http://www.jmacsupply.com/EnerSys_NP12_12T_p/enersys-np12-12t.htm

 Last time I did the math it was 8 hours of runtime for these $100
 batteries on a full Ubnt tower.  Even if it's halved with ePMP you're
 getting 4 hours for $100.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks. Who's a good supplier to buy from
 On Jun 3, 2015 3:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Genesis batteries.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is them alarm batteries?
 On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote:

  What does the second device do?

 On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


 https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com
 wrote:

  Why do you need both meanwell parts?  Do you have a sample setup
 pictures or diagram?

 On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote:

 He said he already has PacketFlux injectors.

 The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is
 also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27).

 I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything.

 My $0.0314

 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

 Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your
 converting DC to AC and then back to DC

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
 li...@gogebicrange.net wrote:

  Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit.
 http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html



 We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It
 all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through 
 PacketFlux.
 Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is 
 in
 a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a
 long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues
 during storms.







 Best regards,

 Brandon Yuchasz

 GogebicRange.net

 www.gogebicrange.net

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP tx power bug continues

[joseph marsh]

We don't have a issue with ours yet we just got our stuff in a few days ago
I believe mine is 26dBm
On Jun 3, 2015 2:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 I'm tired of repeating myself.  Maybe no one else cares, but let me speak
 here first.

 I'm putting up a 5 GHz AP.  It let's me select 26dBm tx power without
 warning until I hit save.  Then it will give me a red info button at the
 top saying that's too much power.

 Well if you knew that value is invalid, why don't you tell me in that box
 like 27+ will???

 I know this existed in 2.3.4 but it continues in 2.4.2.  Am I the only one
 that this bothers?  Why not just default it to max power like everyone will
 for isntallation and let ATPC/me turn down the power?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon

[joseph marsh]

We just got  ours  just walked in the office
On Jun 1, 2015 10:57 AM, Jon Paul Kelley jpkel...@ckswireless.com wrote:

Saw it this morning when I got into the office on my laptop and desktop
computers. I signed up.

Jon Paul Kelley
CKS Wireless

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon

Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in your
Windows 7 System Tray?

If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download once
available.

Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it.  That's
nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation and finding it
in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which would be quite a
change.

[AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[joseph marsh]

What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
site and need to monitor the lights

Re: [AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[joseph marsh]

What's the best tool to use?
On May 20, 2015 6:08 AM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most controllers made in the last decade have a discrete output giving you
 an open close you can monitor with a bunch of stuff. If not that you'll
 have to monitor current.
 On May 20, 2015 5:48 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
 site and need to monitor the lights

Re: [AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[joseph marsh]

Packet flux site monitor?
On May 20, 2015 9:52 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Site Monitor?

 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:57 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What's the best tool to use?
 On May 20, 2015 6:08 AM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most controllers made in the last decade have a discrete output giving
 you an open close you can monitor with a bunch of stuff. If not that you'll
 have to monitor current.
 On May 20, 2015 5:48 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
 site and need to monitor the lights

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

You got that right!!!
On May 16, 2015 2:16 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 The only thing that works best on Apple products are idiots.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 From: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:11:41 PM

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

 I'm the farthest right wing conservative you're likely to ever meet, not
rich but not poor, and white. I only use PC if there is an absolute reason
for it...and that is extremely rare. All of the best networking tools work
best on mac.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield

  On May 16, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 
  Apples, (black)Lincolns and Birkenstocks are for rich liberal democrats.
 
  PCs (specifically Dells), white Cadillacs and Ostrich Boots are for
rich conservative republicans.
 
  Republican boys like to date democrat girls but marry republican girls
(and later cheat with democrat divorcees).
 
  Democrat girls like to date democrat boys but they are all too poor and
stoned and majoring in liberal arts or political science.
 
  Republican girls just run around with each other getting drunk until
some republican boy sobers up enough to ask them for marriage.
 
  Poor republican boys get reality shows involving guns, mud, moonshine
and wrestling animals in a swamp.
 
  Poor democrat boys wear shirts with political causes printed on them,
hang out with Goth cutter girls and smoke cigarettes.
 
  Give a republican boy a welder and he will make a swamp buggy out  of
an old VW.
  Give a democrat boy a welder and he will turn it into an objet d'art
symbolizing the military industrial oppression of the worker.
 
  And that  is why there are so many apple haters here...
 
  -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
  Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 12:43 PM

  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
 
  I buy all of my groceries at Walmart and most of my electronics at
apple. There are a lot of apple haters on here it seems.
 
  I can walk a customer through setting up their AirPort Extreme a lot
easier than Asus, netgear, or dlink. The Apple interface never changes.
It's the same for every model. The others change their gui quite frequently.
 
  Thank you,
  Brett A Mansfield
 
  On May 16, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 
  I remember telling a customer he should either learn how to configure
his AirPort himself, get AppleCare, or get a regular router like a Linksys
or Netgear with a web GUI if he expected his ISP to provide step-by-step
phone support.
 
  He said he would go out and buy a non-Apple router.
 
  He came back with a TimeMachine.
 
  That's another thing I hate about Apple, they have to use special
names for ordinary things, so people don't compare prices.  So you don't
have a router, you have an AirPort.  You don't have an external hard drive,
you have a TimeMachine.
 
  But just like some people only shop at WalMart, some people only shop
for electronics at the Apple Store.  Probably the same people who buy all
their groceries at Whole Foods.
 
 
  -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:06 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
 
  No doubt.
 
  The least they could do is to give it a web GUI. Beyond me why it has
to
  be some proprietary interface.
 
  bp
  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
 
  On 5/16/2015 10:37 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
  On 5/16/15 10:17, Bill Prince wrote:
 
  Plus, for reasons that are not clear to me, Apple has to change the
way
  the stupid AirPort admin tool works every month or two. So even if
you
  knew how to set it up in August; come September it's a whole new
ball game.
 
 
  Software developers need to do something.
 
  ~Seth
 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

Customer won't give us password to the wifi  we have to do it from his
phone or plug into the ethernet port to check speeds

He also  messes with the settings to fix it and screws it up more
On May 16, 2015 1:58 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm gonna go check his speed at the POE. And charge his butt a service
 fee  he is the only one I have issues with

 BTW I drive 45 min to his house frequently to fix bs problems for him
 On May 16, 2015 1:48 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 while wearing flip flops

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 I remember telling a customer he should either learn how to configure
 his AirPort himself, get AppleCare, or get a regular router like a Linksys
 or Netgear with a web GUI if he expected his ISP to provide step-by-step
 phone support.

 He said he would go out and buy a non-Apple router.

 He came back with a TimeMachine.

 That's another thing I hate about Apple, they have to use special names
 for ordinary things, so people don't compare prices.  So you don't have a
 router, you have an AirPort.  You don't have an external hard drive, you
 have a TimeMachine.

 But just like some people only shop at WalMart, some people only shop
 for electronics at the Apple Store.  Probably the same people who buy all
 their groceries at Whole Foods.


 -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:06 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

 No doubt.

 The least they could do is to give it a web GUI. Beyond me why it has to
 be some proprietary interface.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 5/16/2015 10:37 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

 On 5/16/15 10:17, Bill Prince wrote:


 Plus, for reasons that are not clear to me, Apple has to change the way
 the stupid AirPort admin tool works every month or two. So even if you
 knew how to set it up in August; come September it's a whole new ball
 game.



 Software developers need to do something.

 ~Seth

[AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

Is anyone got a sop for working on customer equipment. Such as calling  to
say sons PlayStation not working ?

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

I'm gonna go check his speed at the POE. And charge his butt a service fee
he is the only one I have issues with

BTW I drive 45 min to his house frequently to fix bs problems for him
On May 16, 2015 1:48 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

 while wearing flip flops

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 I remember telling a customer he should either learn how to configure his
 AirPort himself, get AppleCare, or get a regular router like a Linksys or
 Netgear with a web GUI if he expected his ISP to provide step-by-step phone
 support.

 He said he would go out and buy a non-Apple router.

 He came back with a TimeMachine.

 That's another thing I hate about Apple, they have to use special names
 for ordinary things, so people don't compare prices.  So you don't have a
 router, you have an AirPort.  You don't have an external hard drive, you
 have a TimeMachine.

 But just like some people only shop at WalMart, some people only shop for
 electronics at the Apple Store.  Probably the same people who buy all their
 groceries at Whole Foods.


 -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:06 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

 No doubt.

 The least they could do is to give it a web GUI. Beyond me why it has to
 be some proprietary interface.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 5/16/2015 10:37 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

 On 5/16/15 10:17, Bill Prince wrote:


 Plus, for reasons that are not clear to me, Apple has to change the way
 the stupid AirPort admin tool works every month or two. So even if you
 knew how to set it up in August; come September it's a whole new ball
 game.



 Software developers need to do something.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

This customer has had his PlayStation working  and it stopped working  he's
getting 10 meg and he wants us to fix it

Its connected to a apple router and they are within a foot of each other

BTW I hate apple routers  my opinion
On May 16, 2015 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:

  Nothing formal but the process we use with all devices that aren’t
 computers



 1)  Does the device see the broadcast SSID?

 2)  If not, then the WiFi doesn’t work on the device and you need an
 external WiFi adapter or get it fixed. Lots of Xboxes fall into this
 category.

 3)  If it does see it, test without encryption, see if that works.
 We run into a couple of options with this issue, can’t negotiate security,
 devices only supports WEP, WPA, or WPS which Ubiquiti doesn’t support.

 4)  If it still doesn’t work, check all updates and firmware

 5)  From there, try replacing the AP or testing with another AP

 6)  At the point, replace the playstation or the device







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:28 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Customer equipment



 Is anyone got a sop for working on customer equipment. Such as calling  to
 say sons PlayStation not working ?

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

He has all apple stuff  he claims. He has a backup on the router for his
personal files

He's annoying at times he  wants some there when he says jump

We got a install next door today and I'm going out there to do testing  my
self and see what's up
On May 16, 2015 11:12 AM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote:

 Apple routers absolutely SUCK and not sure why people like buying them
 personally. You need some stupid app to configure it and there's no Web
 GUI. If its his router and his playstation, you as an ISP have no part in
 fixing it. It's very hard sometimes to explain to the customer that you
 provide internet to the home ending at the POE or modem. After that it is
 their router and their end devices. We get calls sometimes where 7 devices
 are working great but one device isn't working and they want it to be our
 problem. We have to explain if the whole house is offline then it is our
 problem.

 On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:08 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This customer has had his PlayStation working  and it stopped working
 he's getting 10 meg and he wants us to fix it

 Its connected to a apple router and they are within a foot of each other

 BTW I hate apple routers  my opinion
 On May 16, 2015 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:

  Nothing formal but the process we use with all devices that aren’t
 computers



 1)  Does the device see the broadcast SSID?

 2)  If not, then the WiFi doesn’t work on the device and you need
 an external WiFi adapter or get it fixed. Lots of Xboxes fall into this
 category.

 3)  If it does see it, test without encryption, see if that works.
 We run into a couple of options with this issue, can’t negotiate security,
 devices only supports WEP, WPA, or WPS which Ubiquiti doesn’t support.

 4)  If it still doesn’t work, check all updates and firmware

 5)  From there, try replacing the AP or testing with another AP

 6)  At the point, replace the playstation or the device







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:28 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Customer equipment



 Is anyone got a sop for working on customer equipment. Such as calling
 to say sons PlayStation not working ?




 --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
 http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
 http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[joseph marsh]

His apple router has Ethernet ports  and dont know how they got it wired up

Just also got asked if I'm going to replace his radio so that his sons
PlayStation will work?
On May 16, 2015 3:50 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 Getting back on topic... assuming there isn't a wall in between, if it's
 only a foot away, why doesn't he just plug a wire into the wretched thing?

 On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:08 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This customer has had his PlayStation working  and it stopped working
 he's getting 10 meg and he wants us to fix it

 Its connected to a apple router and they are within a foot of each other

 BTW I hate apple routers  my opinion
 On May 16, 2015 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:

  Nothing formal but the process we use with all devices that aren’t
 computers



 1)  Does the device see the broadcast SSID?

 2)  If not, then the WiFi doesn’t work on the device and you need
 an external WiFi adapter or get it fixed. Lots of Xboxes fall into this
 category.

 3)  If it does see it, test without encryption, see if that works.
 We run into a couple of options with this issue, can’t negotiate security,
 devices only supports WEP, WPA, or WPS which Ubiquiti doesn’t support.

 4)  If it still doesn’t work, check all updates and firmware

 5)  From there, try replacing the AP or testing with another AP

 6)  At the point, replace the playstation or the device







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:28 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Customer equipment



 Is anyone got a sop for working on customer equipment. Such as calling
 to say sons PlayStation not working ?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting

[joseph marsh]

According to FCC change owner requests this site has been changed  5 times
and it grown up with grass

The tower co defaulted on contract and came back to his dad in which he's
passed away   just. Trying to help this guy out

He knows nothing about the rules trying to save his ass from the feds
On May 12, 2015 8:51 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote:

 I am assuming the existing lights are incandescent?  You can find a
 controller on ebay for those and also for flash tech systems.   The
 Incandescent just use a solid state relays for each level such as this


 http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Crydom/CSW2425/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtq49AUx5G375db7DM41JQ13%2fMqOut1v4M%3d,
 you could probably build your own controller.


 you can get bulbs from http://www.lightsbyhh.com/

 I would find a used flash system before spending that money on LED, you
 can find retrofit LED bulbs for the Incandescent systems as well.

 How tall is the tower?


 Erich Kaiser
 North Central Tower
 er...@northcentraltower.com
 Office: 630-621-4804
 Cell: 630-777-9291


 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 3:30 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This one has lights around 150-200 and top  I'm thinking owner wants me
 to take it over
 On May 12, 2015 3:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Actually, I wonder which really is more likely, an aircraft accident
 due to no tower lights or the FAA catching you.  If it is at a site with
 other towers, they probably have functioning lights so it is probably more
 likely that the FAA would catch you.

 But if it is an isolated site, more likely to snag an airplane or
 helicopter I would think.

 This whole landscape changed about 30 years ago when a medical
 helicopter hit a tower that had just been erected but the lights had not
 yet been commissioned.

  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:24 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting

   “more likely” was intended

  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:22 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting

   No tower needs lights until an aircraft flies into it  (or you
 get gigged by the FAA, probably less likely)

  *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:16 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting

 If the tower is painted, then it probably never had a white day/night
 beacon, probably only red lights at night and my guess is only the top
 flashed since it's only 300'.

 On 5/12/2015 1:14 PM, joseph marsh wrote:

 This tower was built in 2000

 Why would a tower company or radio station remove the beacon controller ?

 I just got in the building and checked the tower base didn't make it
 around the property due to the tall grass  waist high
 On May 12, 2015 1:04 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I just got a price on those while at IWCE and it was more more Than an
 entire new LED light kit. Would save on labor though.
 On May 12, 2015 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   You can get nice LEDs that screw into an edison base.
 I presume there are existing fixtures.

  *From:* Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:49 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting


 300 is one beacon and two side lights. Dual LED would run probably
 $8500 to $11000 cost, no labor.
 On May 12, 2015 7:42 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 300
 On May 12, 2015 12:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   How tall is it?  199’ and below no lights required.

  *From:* joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:39 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting



 a young guy owns it and his sister I'm trying to keep him out of
 trouble
 On May 12, 2015 12:33 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 There are several. TWR lighting is good. ITS light is also good. I
 would suggest Dual RED/WHITE LED to avoid painting. We had a simile
 situation and we were able to get an easement for $2000 one time 
 payment.
 Took a lot of work to get it going. If you got a lease and don't own 
 the
 tower the FCC has a ruling that leasee's are not liable for tower
 requirements.
 On May 12, 2015 6:37 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have found a abandoned tower and getting a lease this tower
 needs new lighting

 Where do I go about buying lights  never done this before

Re: [AFMUG] Odd looking tower

[joseph marsh]

There are some near a wildlife management area in Huntsville AL
On May 13, 2015 2:47 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 It does seem entirely in the ROW.



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 *From: *Joe Falaschi listm...@wi.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:42:01 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Odd looking tower

 Is it sitting in a culvert?  That doesn't seem ideal.

 Joe Falaschi
 e-vergent


 On May 13, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  There's a little national weather service tower near my old office
 that's about that sizesome of the instruments look the same too.
  but the weather service one doesn't have cameras.
 
  Genoa, IL.  I saw this along the road about a mile from one of our
 towers.
  Anyone know what it's for?
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting

[joseph marsh]

I'm new to this stuff ... Never dealt with tower lights
On May 12, 2015 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Sometimes they have photocells on the fixtures up the tower.
 I would put in the LED tower lights.  They will last for many years.
 Otherwise telemetry is good to make sure you stay legal.
 Monitor the lamp current.

  *From:* joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:42 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting


 Its Painted red/white. We walked in the building. I see the breaker for
 the tower light but no controls for lights
 On May 12, 2015 12:39 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:


 a young guy owns it and his sister I'm trying to keep him out of trouble
 On May 12, 2015 12:33 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 There are several. TWR lighting is good. ITS light is also good. I would
 suggest Dual RED/WHITE LED to avoid painting. We had a simile situation and
 we were able to get an easement for $2000 one time payment. Took a lot of
 work to get it going. If you got a lease and don't own the tower the FCC
 has a ruling that leasee's are not liable for tower requirements.
 On May 12, 2015 6:37 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have found a abandoned tower and getting a lease this tower needs new
 lighting

 Where do I go about buying lights  never done this before

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting

[joseph marsh]

This tower was built in 2000

Why would a tower company or radio station remove the beacon controller ?

I just got in the building and checked the tower base didn't make it around
the property due to the tall grass  waist high
On May 12, 2015 1:04 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just got a price on those while at IWCE and it was more more Than an
 entire new LED light kit. Would save on labor though.
 On May 12, 2015 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   You can get nice LEDs that screw into an edison base.
 I presume there are existing fixtures.

  *From:* Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:49 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting


 300 is one beacon and two side lights. Dual LED would run probably $8500
 to $11000 cost, no labor.
 On May 12, 2015 7:42 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 300
 On May 12, 2015 12:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   How tall is it?  199’ and below no lights required.

  *From:* joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:39 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting



 a young guy owns it and his sister I'm trying to keep him out of
 trouble
 On May 12, 2015 12:33 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 There are several. TWR lighting is good. ITS light is also good. I
 would suggest Dual RED/WHITE LED to avoid painting. We had a simile
 situation and we were able to get an easement for $2000 one time payment.
 Took a lot of work to get it going. If you got a lease and don't own the
 tower the FCC has a ruling that leasee's are not liable for tower
 requirements.
 On May 12, 2015 6:37 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have found a abandoned tower and getting a lease this tower needs
 new lighting

 Where do I go about buying lights  never done this before

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting

[joseph marsh]

a young guy owns it and his sister I'm trying to keep him out of trouble
On May 12, 2015 12:33 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are several. TWR lighting is good. ITS light is also good. I would
 suggest Dual RED/WHITE LED to avoid painting. We had a simile situation and
 we were able to get an easement for $2000 one time payment. Took a lot of
 work to get it going. If you got a lease and don't own the tower the FCC
 has a ruling that leasee's are not liable for tower requirements.
 On May 12, 2015 6:37 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have found a abandoned tower and getting a lease this tower needs new
 lighting

 Where do I go about buying lights  never done this before