Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
Well, that’s more like a drop install then.

So your reckoning is not far off in that case.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 5:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

Me.  It's a 6 count drop cable and only two of the fibers are actually used, so 
four splices total.  I have two $17 outdoor interconnect boxes in stock.  I 
have some practice with these boxes now, so I can do setup and teardown in 30 
minutes for each end.  A few minutes for each actual splice.  I do know the 
pull through the conduit will be easy and a second guy is doing that while I 
work on the first splicesthen I'll move the splicer and re-setup at the 
other end after he's done.  We'll be done in two hours, 4 man hours total.  I 
don't really have any doubts about that.

Whoever said I didn't provide enough details was right, but there they are now.

If I only bill for T then we're a victim of our own efficiency.  I guess 
they'll have to pay whatever we tell them, but I'd rather have a rationale for 
charging a certain price.  I'll figure it out, but I was curious how other 
people do it.  I'd love to charge $1500, but the T adds up to maybe $600.  If 
I added $50 per fusion splice then I'd only be at $800.  I can add $700 because 
I said so, but I'd rather not put on a line item that says "Greed fee."




-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" 
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 7/31/2017 5:32:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

Better question is who can build out two splice cases, pull the fiber, and 
splice it all in four hours?  Unless this is something like 12ct fiber and an 
easy little splice case, it is going to take way longer then that.  I've had 
guys take 8 hours to do a 48 strand cable to a couple 24 node drop cables.  
They are new at it though.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
per splice removes the speed issue
one guy can do maybe 10 an hour, one guy 5
normalizes costs
plus its a specific dedicated piece of equipment, have to recoup that at a 
specific rate
my guy charges 70 per non bulk splice, I think that's fair

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I think it’s around $5-$6 a foot is the metric for retail runs.

So that’s $6 x 200 = $1200 total.

Maybe a bit extra depending on the vaults and splice cases used in your case 
since it’s a shorter run.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

It's about $100 in materials which I already have and 4 hours of labor.

Just at T I feel like I'm way too low, which probably means I should change 
how I'm billing it.  :)
So how do you arrive at $1500?  What's the math?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 7/31/2017 4:39:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me...

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for running 200' of new cable 
through a conduit, adding a splice case at both ends of the conduit, and 
splicing the old cable to the new section.

This is on private property and the existing cable was broken (bent into a 
hairpin by outside trauma) just outside the conduit.  There's not enough 
sticking out of the pipe to put a splice there, so I have to run a new piece 
through the conduit.

I guess the scope of work isn't that important though.  I'm more interested in 
how you bill it.  I know some people use an hourly rate for installing the 
cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is there a justification for charging 
per splice as opposed to charging for T?  Is it to recoup the cost of the 
splicer perhaps?







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Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Chuck McCown 
Get a quote from the alternate suppliers of goods and services and charge a bit 
less assuming you are covering your costs and getting a good bit of profit from 
it.  Anytime you lowball just to get work you may as well change careers.  
Also, deeply undercutting competitors harms everyone.  

From: Mitch Koep 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 7:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

+1000

Not Telcos here Right??




On 7/31/2017 6:05 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  Me.  It's a 6 count drop cable and only two of the fibers are actually used, 
so four splices total.  I have two $17 outdoor interconnect boxes in stock.  I 
have some practice with these boxes now, so I can do setup and teardown in 30 
minutes for each end.  A few minutes for each actual splice.  I do know the 
pull through the conduit will be easy and a second guy is doing that while I 
work on the first splicesthen I'll move the splicer and re-setup at the 
other end after he's done.  We'll be done in two hours, 4 man hours total.  I 
don't really have any doubts about that.

  Whoever said I didn't provide enough details was right, but there they are 
now.

  If I only bill for T then we're a victim of our own efficiency.  I guess 
they'll have to pay whatever we tell them, but I'd rather have a rationale for 
charging a certain price.  I'll figure it out, but I was curious how other 
people do it.  I'd love to charge $1500, but the T adds up to maybe $600.  If 
I added $50 per fusion splice then I'd only be at $800.  I can add $700 because 
I said so, but I'd rather not put on a line item that says "Greed fee."  




  -- Original Message --
  From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
  To: mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 7/31/2017 5:32:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

Better question is who can build out two splice cases, pull the fiber, and 
splice it all in four hours?  Unless this is something like 12ct fiber and an 
easy little splice case, it is going to take way longer then that.  I've had 
guys take 8 hours to do a 48 strand cable to a couple 24 node drop cables.  
They are new at it though. 

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  per splice removes the speed issue
  one guy can do maybe 10 an hour, one guy 5
  normalizes costs
  plus its a specific dedicated piece of equipment, have to recoup that at 
a specific rate
  my guy charges 70 per non bulk splice, I think that's fair

  On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> 
wrote:

I think it’s around $5-$6 a foot is the metric for retail runs.



So that’s $6 x 200 = $1200 total.



Maybe a bit extra depending on the vaults and splice cases used in your 
case since it’s a shorter run.







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:49 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair



It's about $100 in materials which I already have and 4 hours of labor.



Just at T I feel like I'm way too low, which probably means I should 
change how I'm billing it.  :)

So how do you arrive at $1500?  What's the math?





-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>

To: af@afmug.com

        Sent: 7/31/2017 4:39:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair



  Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me... 



  On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for running 200' of 
new cable through a conduit, adding a splice case at both ends of the conduit, 
and splicing the old cable to the new section.



This is on private property and the existing cable was broken (bent 
into a hairpin by outside trauma) just outside the conduit.  There's not enough 
sticking out of the pipe to put a splice there, so I have to run a new piece 
through the conduit.



I guess the scope of work isn't that important though.  I'm more 
interested in how you bill it.  I know some people use an hourly rate for 
installing the cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is there a justification 
for charging per splice as opposed to charging for T?  Is it to recoup the 
cost of the splicer perhaps?












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Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Mitch Koep 

+1000

Not Telcos here Right??


On 7/31/2017 6:05 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Me.  It's a 6 count drop cable and only two of the fibers are actually 
used, so four splices total.  I have two $17 outdoor interconnect 
boxes in stock.  I have some practice with these boxes now, so I can 
do setup and teardown in 30 minutes for each end.  A few minutes for 
each actual splice.  I do know the pull through the conduit will be 
easy and a second guy is doing that while I work on the first 
splicesthen I'll move the splicer and re-setup at the other end 
after he's done.  We'll be done in two hours, 4 man hours total.  I 
don't really have any doubts about that.


Whoever said I didn't provide enough details was right, but there they 
are now.


If I only bill for T then we're a victim of our own efficiency.  I 
guess they'll have to pay whatever we tell them, but I'd rather have a 
rationale for charging a certain price.  I'll figure it out, but I was 
curious how other people do it.  I'd love to charge $1500, but the T 
adds up to maybe $600.  If I added $50 per fusion splice then I'd only 
be at $800.  I can add $700 because I said so, but I'd rather not put 
on a line item that says "Greed fee."





-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com 
<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>

To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 7/31/2017 5:32:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

Better question is who can build out two splice cases, pull the 
fiber, and splice it all in four hours? Unless this is something like 
12ct fiber and an easy little splice case, it is going to take way 
longer then that.  I've had guys take 8 hours to do a 48 strand cable 
to a couple 24 node drop cables.  They are new at it though.


On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


per splice removes the speed issue
one guy can do maybe 10 an hour, one guy 5
normalizes costs
plus its a specific dedicated piece of equipment, have to recoup
that at a specific rate
my guy charges 70 per non bulk splice, I think that's fair

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.net <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

I think it’s around $5-$6 a foot is the metric for retail runs.

So that’s $6 x 200 = $1200 total.

Maybe a bit extra depending on the vaults and splice cases
used in your case since it’s a shorter run.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 2:49 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

It's about $100 in materials which I already have and 4 hours
of labor.

Just at T I feel like I'm way too low, which probably means
I should change how I'm billing it.  :)

So how do you arrive at $1500? What's the math?

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>

    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: 7/31/2017 4:39:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me...

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for
running 200' of new cable through a conduit, adding a
splice case at both ends of the conduit, and splicing
the old cable to the new section.

This is on private property and the existing cable
was broken (bent into a hairpin by outside trauma)
just outside the conduit. There's not enough sticking
out of the pipe to put a splice there, so I have to
run a new piece through the conduit.

I guess the scope of work isn't that important
though. I'm more interested in how you bill it. I
know some people use an hourly rate for installing
the cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is there a
justification for charging per splice as opposed to
charging for T?  Is it to recoup the cost of the
splicer perhaps?





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Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Adam Moffett 
Me.  It's a 6 count drop cable and only two of the fibers are actually 
used, so four splices total.  I have two $17 outdoor interconnect boxes 
in stock.  I have some practice with these boxes now, so I can do setup 
and teardown in 30 minutes for each end.  A few minutes for each actual 
splice.  I do know the pull through the conduit will be easy and a 
second guy is doing that while I work on the first splicesthen I'll 
move the splicer and re-setup at the other end after he's done.  We'll 
be done in two hours, 4 man hours total.  I don't really have any doubts 
about that.


Whoever said I didn't provide enough details was right, but there they 
are now.


If I only bill for T then we're a victim of our own efficiency.  I 
guess they'll have to pay whatever we tell them, but I'd rather have a 
rationale for charging a certain price.  I'll figure it out, but I was 
curious how other people do it.  I'd love to charge $1500, but the T 
adds up to maybe $600.  If I added $50 per fusion splice then I'd only 
be at $800.  I can add $700 because I said so, but I'd rather not put on 
a line item that says "Greed fee."





-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 7/31/2017 5:32:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

Better question is who can build out two splice cases, pull the fiber, 
and splice it all in four hours?  Unless this is something like 12ct 
fiber and an easy little splice case, it is going to take way longer 
then that.  I've had guys take 8 hours to do a 48 strand cable to a 
couple 24 node drop cables.  They are new at it though.


On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

per splice removes the speed issue
one guy can do maybe 10 an hour, one guy 5
normalizes costs
plus its a specific dedicated piece of equipment, have to recoup that 
at a specific rate

my guy charges 70 per non bulk splice, I think that's fair

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

I think it’s around $5-$6 a foot is the metric for retail runs.



So that’s $6 x 200 = $1200 total.



Maybe a bit extra depending on the vaults and splice cases used in 
your case since it’s a shorter run.








From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:49 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair



It's about $100 in materials which I already have and 4 hours of 
labor.




Just at T I feel like I'm way too low, which probably means I 
should change how I'm billing it.  :)


So how do you arrive at $1500?  What's the math?





-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 7/31/2017 4:39:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair




Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me...



On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for running 200' of 
new cable through a conduit, adding a splice case at both ends of 
the conduit, and splicing the old cable to the new section.




This is on private property and the existing cable was broken (bent 
into a hairpin by outside trauma) just outside the conduit.  
There's not enough sticking out of the pipe to put a splice there, 
so I have to run a new piece through the conduit.




I guess the scope of work isn't that important though.  I'm more 
interested in how you bill it.  I know some people use an hourly 
rate for installing the cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is 
there a justification for charging per splice as opposed to 
charging for T?  Is it to recoup the cost of the splicer perhaps?















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Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Carl Peterson 
Better question is who can build out two splice cases, pull the fiber, and
splice it all in four hours?  Unless this is something like 12ct fiber and
an easy little splice case, it is going to take way longer then that.  I've
had guys take 8 hours to do a 48 strand cable to a couple 24 node drop
cables.  They are new at it though.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> per splice removes the speed issue
> one guy can do maybe 10 an hour, one guy 5
> normalizes costs
> plus its a specific dedicated piece of equipment, have to recoup that at a
> specific rate
> my guy charges 70 per non bulk splice, I think that's fair
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I think it’s around $5-$6 a foot is the metric for retail runs.
>>
>>
>>
>> So that’s $6 x 200 = $1200 total.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe a bit extra depending on the vaults and splice cases used in your
>> case since it’s a shorter run.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 2:49 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair
>>
>>
>>
>> It's about $100 in materials which I already have and 4 hours of labor.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just at T I feel like I'm way too low, which probably means I should
>> change how I'm billing it.  :)
>>
>> So how do you arrive at $1500?  What's the math?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 7/31/2017 4:39:00 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for running 200' of new
>> cable through a conduit, adding a splice case at both ends of the conduit,
>> and splicing the old cable to the new section.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is on private property and the existing cable was broken (bent into
>> a hairpin by outside trauma) just outside the conduit.  There's not enough
>> sticking out of the pipe to put a splice there, so I have to run a new
>> piece through the conduit.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess the scope of work isn't that important though.  I'm more
>> interested in how you bill it.  I know some people use an hourly rate for
>> installing the cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is there a
>> justification for charging per splice as opposed to charging for T?  Is
>> it to recoup the cost of the splicer perhaps?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


--

Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Chris Fabien 
You didn't really specify what count fiber this is, what type of splice
closures, how difficult of an environment etc. So $1500 is a bit of a wild
guess... But it's gonna take two guys, probably half a day or more, and tie
up my splicer for a day. That sounds like $1000 to tie up one guy and a
fusion splicer for a day and $500 for the second guy. Assuming materials
are inexpensive that is. If this is 144ct and two new tyco B closures and
trays and splice protectors, etc. Probably $5000 job for that.


On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's about $100 in materials which I already have and 4 hours of labor.
>
> Just at T I feel like I'm way too low, which probably means I should
> change how I'm billing it.  :)
>
> So how do you arrive at $1500?  What's the math?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 7/31/2017 4:39:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair
>
> Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me...
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for running 200' of new
>> cable through a conduit, adding a splice case at both ends of the conduit,
>> and splicing the old cable to the new section.
>>
>> This is on private property and the existing cable was broken (bent into
>> a hairpin by outside trauma) just outside the conduit.  There's not enough
>> sticking out of the pipe to put a splice there, so I have to run a new
>> piece through the conduit.
>>
>> I guess the scope of work isn't that important though.  I'm more
>> interested in how you bill it.  I know some people use an hourly rate for
>> installing the cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is there a
>> justification for charging per splice as opposed to charging for T?  Is
>> it to recoup the cost of the splicer perhaps?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Steve Jones 
per splice removes the speed issue
one guy can do maybe 10 an hour, one guy 5
normalizes costs
plus its a specific dedicated piece of equipment, have to recoup that at a
specific rate
my guy charges 70 per non bulk splice, I think that's fair

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> I think it’s around $5-$6 a foot is the metric for retail runs.
>
>
>
> So that’s $6 x 200 = $1200 total.
>
>
>
> Maybe a bit extra depending on the vaults and splice cases used in your
> case since it’s a shorter run.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 2:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair
>
>
>
> It's about $100 in materials which I already have and 4 hours of labor.
>
>
>
> Just at T I feel like I'm way too low, which probably means I should
> change how I'm billing it.  :)
>
> So how do you arrive at $1500?  What's the math?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message ------
>
> From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 7/31/2017 4:39:00 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair
>
>
>
> Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for running 200' of new
> cable through a conduit, adding a splice case at both ends of the conduit,
> and splicing the old cable to the new section.
>
>
>
> This is on private property and the existing cable was broken (bent into a
> hairpin by outside trauma) just outside the conduit.  There's not enough
> sticking out of the pipe to put a splice there, so I have to run a new
> piece through the conduit.
>
>
>
> I guess the scope of work isn't that important though.  I'm more
> interested in how you bill it.  I know some people use an hourly rate for
> installing the cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is there a
> justification for charging per splice as opposed to charging for T?  Is
> it to recoup the cost of the splicer perhaps?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Carl Peterson 
$5 per foot for the fiber pull including parts and labor =1K
2hr splicing at 250 per hour.  =$500

$1500 job.  More if you need to pump manholes, control traffic, etc.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> I think it’s around $5-$6 a foot is the metric for retail runs.
>
>
>
> So that’s $6 x 200 = $1200 total.
>
>
>
> Maybe a bit extra depending on the vaults and splice cases used in your
> case since it’s a shorter run.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 2:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair
>
>
>
> It's about $100 in materials which I already have and 4 hours of labor.
>
>
>
> Just at T I feel like I'm way too low, which probably means I should
> change how I'm billing it.  :)
>
> So how do you arrive at $1500?  What's the math?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message ------
>
> From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 7/31/2017 4:39:00 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair
>
>
>
> Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for running 200' of new
> cable through a conduit, adding a splice case at both ends of the conduit,
> and splicing the old cable to the new section.
>
>
>
> This is on private property and the existing cable was broken (bent into a
> hairpin by outside trauma) just outside the conduit.  There's not enough
> sticking out of the pipe to put a splice there, so I have to run a new
> piece through the conduit.
>
>
>
> I guess the scope of work isn't that important though.  I'm more
> interested in how you bill it.  I know some people use an hourly rate for
> installing the cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is there a
> justification for charging per splice as opposed to charging for T?  Is
> it to recoup the cost of the splicer perhaps?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
I think it’s around $5-$6 a foot is the metric for retail runs.

So that’s $6 x 200 = $1200 total.

Maybe a bit extra depending on the vaults and splice cases used in your case 
since it’s a shorter run.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

It's about $100 in materials which I already have and 4 hours of labor.

Just at T I feel like I'm way too low, which probably means I should change 
how I'm billing it.  :)
So how do you arrive at $1500?  What's the math?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 7/31/2017 4:39:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me...

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for running 200' of new cable 
through a conduit, adding a splice case at both ends of the conduit, and 
splicing the old cable to the new section.

This is on private property and the existing cable was broken (bent into a 
hairpin by outside trauma) just outside the conduit.  There's not enough 
sticking out of the pipe to put a splice there, so I have to run a new piece 
through the conduit.

I guess the scope of work isn't that important though.  I'm more interested in 
how you bill it.  I know some people use an hourly rate for installing the 
cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is there a justification for charging 
per splice as opposed to charging for T?  Is it to recoup the cost of the 
splicer perhaps?

Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Adam Moffett 

It's about $100 in materials which I already have and 4 hours of labor.

Just at T I feel like I'm way too low, which probably means I should 
change how I'm billing it.  :)


So how do you arrive at $1500?  What's the math?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/31/2017 4:39:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair


Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me...

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for running 200' of new 
cable through a conduit, adding a splice case at both ends of the 
conduit, and splicing the old cable to the new section.


This is on private property and the existing cable was broken (bent 
into a hairpin by outside trauma) just outside the conduit.  There's 
not enough sticking out of the pipe to put a splice there, so I have 
to run a new piece through the conduit.


I guess the scope of work isn't that important though.  I'm more 
interested in how you bill it.  I know some people use an hourly rate 
for installing the cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is there a 
justification for charging per splice as opposed to charging for T?  
Is it to recoup the cost of the splicer perhaps?

Re: [AFMUG] Rates for fiber repair

2017-07-31 Thread Chris Fabien 
Sounds like at least a $1500 job to me...

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm curious what some of you guys might charge for running 200' of new
> cable through a conduit, adding a splice case at both ends of the conduit,
> and splicing the old cable to the new section.
>
> This is on private property and the existing cable was broken (bent into a
> hairpin by outside trauma) just outside the conduit.  There's not enough
> sticking out of the pipe to put a splice there, so I have to run a new
> piece through the conduit.
>
> I guess the scope of work isn't that important though.  I'm more
> interested in how you bill it.  I know some people use an hourly rate for
> installing the cable and then a flat fee per splice.  Is there a
> justification for charging per splice as opposed to charging for T?  Is
> it to recoup the cost of the splicer perhaps?
>
>
>