BUS: [Proposal] Slower Promotion

[Nic Evans]

I personally find it frustrating that we vote on things before the last
setis resolved. This should be a relatively safe way to slow down, if we
want to.

Title: Slower Promotion
AI: 3
author: nichdel
co-authors:

Amend R1607 (Distribution) by replacing:

  In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL, as part of eir
  weekly duties, distribute all pending proposals.

with

  In a given Agoran week, as part of eir weekly duties, the Promotor
  SHALL:

 * distribute all pending proposals if there are no unresolved
    Agoran decisions to adopt a proposal.

 * list all unresolved Agoran decisions to adopt a proposal. The
   Promotor MAY still distribute all pending proposals.



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Re: BUS: [Proposal] Slower Promotion

[Nic Evans]

On 09/26/17 16:02, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote:
>> I personally find it frustrating that we vote on things before the last
>> setis resolved. This should be a relatively safe way to slow down, if we
>> want to.
> Really, it overlapped wholly because you were late on Assessment, and your
> response is to give the Promotor another task and slow the whole game down? 
>
> This is absurd.  Was going to let it pass, but I point the Finger at Nichdel
> for late Assessment of Decision to Adopt proposal 7876.
>
> I note, for the purposes of determining carding, that this lateness had a 
> direct and material impact on my own earnings as well as others.
>
> I note to the Referee, so e can feel informed and NOT believe that there are 
> no rules violations this week, that Nichdel was similarly late on proposals 
> 7877-7898.
>
> Sorry - lateness happens, most is not a big deal, but this is a really poor
> response to be frustrated at the voting system as a result.

Even if I'm not late this can and does still happen. Assessment is 7-14
days after promotion, and promotion is weekly. I'm not trying to punish
anyone else, I'm trying to make my own failure less catastrophic for
gamestate.

I resign from Assessor.

>
> -G.
>
>
>




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Re: BUS: [Proposal] Slower Promotion

[Kerim Aydin]

I *do* appreciate the work involved, definitely - but I think it's important
to consider where the frustration with the system comes from.  I also think
we need to think about how officer timing affects the economy, it's not fair
to have an officer's occasional slight lateness have a large effect on
economic rewards.  Sorry for further frustrating you during a very busy time!

I formally CoE on the resolution for Proposal 7877, as it did not correctly
record VJ Rada's vote.  I do this as (I think?) it accelerates the time table
for deputizing for Assessor, otherwise it would be a while.  (maybe I'm wrong
about how this works now).  Obviously not CoEing any actually-adopted proposals.

(I think there was a proposal out there such that if an office was vacant, we
didn't have to wait for a time limit to expire to deputize?)

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote:
> On 09/26/17 16:02, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote:
> >> I personally find it frustrating that we vote on things before the last
> >> setis resolved. This should be a relatively safe way to slow down, if we
> >> want to.
> > Really, it overlapped wholly because you were late on Assessment, and your
> > response is to give the Promotor another task and slow the whole game down? 
> >
> > This is absurd.  Was going to let it pass, but I point the Finger at Nichdel
> > for late Assessment of Decision to Adopt proposal 7876.
> >
> > I note, for the purposes of determining carding, that this lateness had a 
> > direct and material impact on my own earnings as well as others.
> >
> > I note to the Referee, so e can feel informed and NOT believe that there 
> > are 
> > no rules violations this week, that Nichdel was similarly late on proposals 
> > 7877-7898.
> >
> > Sorry - lateness happens, most is not a big deal, but this is a really poor
> > response to be frustrated at the voting system as a result.
> 
> Even if I'm not late this can and does still happen. Assessment is 7-14
> days after promotion, and promotion is weekly. I'm not trying to punish
> anyone else, I'm trying to make my own failure less catastrophic for
> gamestate.
> 
> I resign from Assessor.

BUS: Superintendent Election

[VJ Rada]

F it: I change my vote in the superintendent election to myself. It's
surely not that hard.

-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: [Proposal] Slower Promotion

[Kerim Aydin]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote:
> I personally find it frustrating that we vote on things before the last
> setis resolved. This should be a relatively safe way to slow down, if we
> want to.

Really, it overlapped wholly because you were late on Assessment, and your
response is to give the Promotor another task and slow the whole game down? 

This is absurd.  Was going to let it pass, but I point the Finger at Nichdel
for late Assessment of Decision to Adopt proposal 7876.

I note, for the purposes of determining carding, that this lateness had a 
direct and material impact on my own earnings as well as others.

I note to the Referee, so e can feel informed and NOT believe that there are 
no rules violations this week, that Nichdel was similarly late on proposals 
7877-7898.

Sorry - lateness happens, most is not a big deal, but this is a really poor
response to be frustrated at the voting system as a result.

-G.

Re: BUS: [Proposal] Slower Promotion

[Nic Evans]

On 09/26/17 16:23, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> I *do* appreciate the work involved, definitely - but I think it's important
> to consider where the frustration with the system comes from.  

I'm frequently frustrated with the ruleset not being up-to-date when
trying to evaluate proposals. I often have multiple days a week where I
can't devout time to Agora (not always the same days), so combined with
an outdated ruleset I end up with little to no window to understand what
proposals mean for the current gamestate.

I warned about being late and asked for other people to spot me on it.
No one did. I made a proposal that would ease the effects of me being
late for the job no one else is doing, and it got immediate directed
backlash.



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BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898

[VJ Rada]

I awarde myself and ais523 lime ribbons.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Nic Evans  wrote:
> On 09/26/17 14:59, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, nichdel wrote:
>>> |VJ Rada | F| A| A| F| F| F| F| F| P|
>> Does VJ Rada have 2 votes on everything for being prime minister?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Correct but luckily for me that doesn't change any results this time.
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Lime Ribbon Awarding and Unrelated Question (Was: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898)

[Nic Evans]

For each of {ais523, V.J. Rada} if e lacks a Lime Ribbon I award em a
Lime Ribbon.


On 09/26/17 16:15, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 16:39 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> wrote:
>> I award a Lime Ribbon to each of Aris, V.J. Rada, ais523, K, Ørjan,
>> and G., if each of them lacks it currently.
> a) you need three coauthored proposals in 7 days for the Lime Ribbon
> (so it's just V.J. Rada and me who get one unless there's another
> distribution available); b) it's fairly unclear what that conditional
> action expands to; does it only work if none of us currently have a
> Lime Ribbon?
>




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Re: BUS: Lime Ribbon Awarding and Unrelated Question (Was: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898)

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

For each of the following people separately, if e lacks a Lime Ribbon award it 
to em: V.J. Rafa and ais523.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 26, 2017, at 5:15 PM, Alex Smith  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 16:39 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> wrote:
>> I award a Lime Ribbon to each of Aris, V.J. Rada, ais523, K, Ørjan,
>> and G., if each of them lacks it currently.
> 
> a) you need three coauthored proposals in 7 days for the Lime Ribbon
> (so it's just V.J. Rada and me who get one unless there's another
> distribution available); b) it's fairly unclear what that conditional
> action expands to; does it only work if none of us currently have a
> Lime Ribbon?
> 
> --
> ais523



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BUS: Lime Ribbon Awarding and Unrelated Question (Was: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898)

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I award a Lime Ribbon to each of Aris, V.J. Rada, ais523, K, Ørjan, and G., if 
each of them lacks it currently.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
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> On Sep 26, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Alex Smith  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 21:19 +0100, Alex Smith wrote:
>> On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 14:49 -0500, nichdel wrote:
>>> ID: 7881
>>> Co-authors: V.J Rada, Aris, ais523
>>> 
>>> ID: 7882
>>> Co-authors: K, ais523
>>> 
>>> ID: 7886
>>> Co-authors: ais523, Ørjan
>> 
>> Could someone award me a Lime Ribbon, please? It's one of the very few
>> I don't already have, and as a non-player I can qualify for Ribbons but
>> a player has to actually make the award.
> 
> And checking the whole list of co-authors:
> 
> Co-authors: Aris
> Co-authors: V.J Rada, Aris, ais523
> Co-authors: K, ais523
> Co-authors: V.J Rada, Ørjan
> Co-authors: ais523, Ørjan
> Co-authors: V.J Rada
> Co-authors: G.
> 
> it seems that V.J. Rada deserves one too. (Just realised that it was
> such a large distribution that it might be quite fruitful for Lime
> Ribbons; there were fewer than I expected, though.)
> 
> --
> ais523



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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

[Kerim Aydin]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, ATMunn . wrote:
> I currently have 51 shinies.
> I give Agora 17 shinies.

oh that's right!  14 from me please (I transfer 14 shinies from me to Agora).

BUS: Proposal: Guaranteed Stampage

[Nic Evans]

I submit the following proposal.

title: Guaranteed Stampage
ai: 1
author: nichdel
co-authors:

Amend 2499 "Welcome Packages" to read in full:

   If a player has not received one since e most recently became a
   player, any player CAN, by announcement, cause em to receive a
   Welcome package. When a player receives a Welcome Package:

  * Agora transfers em 1/10th the FV in shinies and

  * a Stamp, with Agora as the Creater, is created in eir
    possession.

Amend R2498 to be titled "Stamps" and to read in full:

   Stamps are an asset. The Secretary is the recordkeepor of Stamps.

   Each Stamp has an associated Creater which SHOULD be noted whenever
   the Stamp is mentioned and MUST be noted whenever the Stamp is
   transfered. Stamps with the same creater are fungible.

   Once per month a player CAN, by announcement, create a Stamp with
   themselves as the Creater by transferring the Stamp Value, in
   shinies, to Agora.

   If Agora owns at least as many Shinies as the current Stamp Value, a
   player CAN, by announcement, destroy a Stamp e owns to cause Agora to
   transfer the Stamp Value, in shinies, to emself.

Enact a Power 1 rule titled "Stamp Wins" with the following text:

   If a player owns 10 stamps with different Creaters, none of which
   have Agora as its Creater, e CAN win by announcement. Doing so
   destroys the specified stamps.

Enact a Power 1 rule titled "Basic Stamp Income" with the following
text:

   When the Secretary publishes the first Weekly Report of an Agoran
   Month, e CAN and SHALL, by announcement, create Stamps with Agora as
   the Creater and transfer them to any player who has no stamps and
   less than the Stamp Value in shinies at the time of publication.

BUS: needle and thread wanted

[Kerim Aydin]

I resign from the office of Tailor.

Many apologies, I voted for myself in a bit of enthusiasm but, in trying to 
catch
it up over last day or so, I'm falling behind in Arbitor and Herald and it's 
just
one too many.

Purposefully not doing a report so it can be deputized as of 1-Oct.

-G.

Re: BUS: [Proposal] Slower Promotion

[Nic Evans]

On 09/26/2017 04:13 PM, Nic Evans wrote:


On 09/26/17 16:02, Kerim Aydin wrote:


On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote:

I personally find it frustrating that we vote on things before the last
setis resolved. This should be a relatively safe way to slow down, if we
want to.

Really, it overlapped wholly because you were late on Assessment, and your
response is to give the Promotor another task and slow the whole game down?

This is absurd.  Was going to let it pass, but I point the Finger at Nichdel
for late Assessment of Decision to Adopt proposal 7876.

I note, for the purposes of determining carding, that this lateness had a
direct and material impact on my own earnings as well as others.

I note to the Referee, so e can feel informed and NOT believe that there are
no rules violations this week, that Nichdel was similarly late on proposals
7877-7898.

Sorry - lateness happens, most is not a big deal, but this is a really poor
response to be frustrated at the voting system as a result.

Even if I'm not late this can and does still happen. Assessment is 7-14
days after promotion, and promotion is weekly. I'm not trying to punish
anyone else, I'm trying to make my own failure less catastrophic for
gamestate.

I resign from Assessor.


I pledge to provide, informally, an accurate tabulation of any Agoran 
Decisions the Assessor must resolve, within 2 weeks of the day the duty 
would become late, until the next time someone officially publishes the 
results of an Agoran Decision as Assessor.





-G.

Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating election for the Assessor and Herald

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

For Herald, I vote as follows: {myself, G., all other players in the order in 
which they vote.)
For Assessor, I vote as follows: {myself, o, all other players in the order in 
which they vote.)

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:33 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> I was gonna do these in two days after I resolved the election for
> Superintendent but if y'all want to go now, I'm down with it. I
> initiate the elections for Assessor and Herald, as the ADoP. I then
> initiate the Agoran Decisions for the determination of those offices,
> the valid options are the players, and the quorum? Well, the quorum is
> 8.0. Yup, 8.0. Good luck!
> 
> --
> From V.J. Rada



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DIS: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating election for the Assessor and Herald (fwd)

[Kerim Aydin]

PF

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 19:05:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kerim Aydin 
Reply-To: "Agora Nomic discussions (DF)" 
To: Agora Discussion 
Subject: DIS: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating election for the Assessor and Herald



I vote (myself, Publius) for Herald (would like to run Karma).

I vote (Publius, players who vote for themselves first in order of vote) for 
Assessor.

-G.

Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating election for the Assessor and Herald

[grok (caleb vines)]

On Sep 26, 2017 8:33 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:

I was gonna do these in two days after I resolved the election for
Superintendent but if y'all want to go now, I'm down with it. I
initiate the elections for Assessor and Herald, as the ADoP. I then
initiate the Agoran Decisions for the determination of those offices,
the valid options are the players, and the quorum? Well, the quorum is
8.0. Yup, 8.0. Good luck!

--
>From V.J. Rada



In the election for Herald, I endorse G.

In the election for Assessor, I endorse the player whose name matches the
value of gFP's Name switch (currently "grok"), unless its value is set to
"grok". If gFP's Name switch is set to "grok", I vote present.

I pledge that, until the current elections for Herald and Assessor are
assessed, I will not change the value of gFP's Name switch unless another
player acts on my behalf to do so.


-grok

Re: BUS: [Proposal] Slower Promotion

[Owen Jacobson]

As it happens, I have just enough cards left to deal with both this and Alexis’ 
finger before I run out for the week, and now that the proposal fixing the “or” 
in Vigilante Justice has been assessed, finger-pointing actually somewhat works 
again. Hooray!

On Sep 26, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

> This is absurd.  Was going to let it pass, but I point the Finger at Nichdel
> for late Assessment of Decision to Adopt proposal 7876.
> 
> I note, for the purposes of determining carding, that this lateness had a
> direct and material impact on my own earnings as well as others.

And on mine, which causes a minor conflict of interest. However, no rule allows 
me to recuse myself, and this is not a finger-pointing related the official 
duties or powers of the Referee, so the Arbitor cannot take over. I’ll have to 
do my best.

Proposal 7876 was distributed on Mon, 11 Sep 2017 01:19:41 UTC. As voting was 
not extended, voting ended at Mon, 18 Sep 2017 01:19:41 UTC, exactly 7d after 
distribution (rule 107, “Initiating Agoran Decisions").

nichdel assessed it at Tue, 26 Sep 2017 19:49:53 UTC. 8d, 18h 30m 12s elapsed 
from the close of voting to the proposal's assessment. Rule 208 (“Resolving 
Agoran Decisions”) states:

> The vote collector for an unresolved Agoran decision CAN resolve it by 
> announcement, indicating the outcome. If it was required to be initiated, 
> then e SHALL resolve it in a timely fashion after the end of the voting 
> period.

nichdel, as Assessor, was the vote collector for the Agoran Decision to adopt 
proposal 7876. As more than seven days had elapsed (rule 1023, “Common 
Definitions”), e did not do so in a timely fashion, and has violated the above 
clause of rule 208.

G.’s allegation that the late assessment has a direct and material impact on 
gameplay is compelling. Furthermore, beyond the effects G. identifies, 
Assessment directly affects the adoption of rule changes, which are fundamental 
to Agora. However, I believe a Yellow Card would be inappropriate, and unduly 
punitive. Instead, I note that nichdel delayed assessment for reasons e spelled 
out in a message to agora-discussion:

On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:

> Due to a stressful trip coming up this weekend and the size of the
> current batch of proposals, I'm unlikely to be able to assess until mid
> next week. If there's interest, I could create an agency that allows
> someone else to assess.

nichdel clearly delayed assessment for eir own gain, vis., to gain additional 
time and attention to dedicate to a personal trip. As such, e has abused the 
office of Assessor, and I hereby issue em a Pink Slip by summary judgement.

On Sep 26, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

> I note to the Referee, so e can feel informed and NOT believe that there are
> no rules violations this week, that Nichdel was similarly late on proposals
> 7877-7898.

So noted.

-o



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Re: BUS: Assessor election

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I support.

I would be happy to take this one for the long term, if no one else wants this.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> I intend, with four support, to initiate an election for the office of 
> Assessor.
> 
> Please don’t make me do it. I’ll take the job temporarily unless someone else 
> wants it, but I’m at my paperwork-processing capacity for the time being 
> already, and likely won’t do it _well_.
> 
> -o
> 



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BUS: Vital History Gone Missing!

[Alexis Hunt]

I register.

I Point a Finger at Publius Scribonius Scholasticus alleging that, as
Registrar, e has committed the Class-2 Crime of Tardiness by not reporting
last week on the players deregistered by Writ of Fage, as required by Rule
1789.

-Alexis

BUS: Re: OFF: [Superintendent] Weekly Agency Report

[VJ Rada]

tttpf

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:10 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> I forgot to say that I deputize for the office. I deputize for the
> office, the below document is my report.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:23 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> Superintendent’s Weekly Report
>>
>> Short List of agencies:
>>
>> ASC - Head: Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> BÖÖ - Head: Quazie
>> GII - Head: Gaelan
>> GOD - Head: Quazie
>> MKD - Head: Gaelan
>> PRN - Head: Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> QAZ - Head: Quazie
>> SSP - Head: Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> WTQ - Head: Quazie
>> gFP - Head: grok
>> gPA - Head: grok
>> ⌑შए - Head: 天火狐
>> 狐票店 - Head: 天火狐
>> FPK - Head: V.J. Rada
>> [SOMETHING THAT SHOULD EXIST HERE BUT I BELIEVE GOT SELF-RATIFIED AWAY
>> BECAUSE OF THE SUPERINTENDENT'S REPORT OF THE 28TH WHICH, LIKE MANY
>> REPORTS BEFORE IT, DID NOT INCLUDE THIS AGENCY, BUT THIS TIME NICHDEL
>> FORGOT TO CoE IT]
>> EOH - Head: nichdel
>>
>> A History of agency related events:
>>
>> 2017-09-21: Quazie revokes QAZ
>> 2017-09-12: V.J. Rada establishes FPK
>> 2017-08-26 - 天火狐 establishes 狐票店
>> 2017-08-21 - Quazie establishes QAZ
>> 2017-07-31 - Superintendent weekly and monthly reports published
>> 2017-07-24 - Superintendent's weekly report published
>> 2017-07-24 - grok establishes gPA
>> 2017-07-21 - Cuddlebeam deregisters, revoking C♥️U and C♥️N
>> 2017-07-03 - Superintendent's Weekly Report Published
>> 2017-06-05 - Superintendent's Weekly Report Published
>> 2017-06-05 - Quazie establishes BÖÖ
>> 2017-06-04 - Publius Scribonius Scholasticus establishes ASC
>> 2017-05-27 - Gaelan establishes GII
>> 2017-05-27 - CuddleBeam establishes C♥️U
>> 2017-05-27 - CuddleBeam establishes C♥️N
>> 2017-05-27 - CuddleBeam revokes BGW
>> 2017-05-27 - CuddleBeam revokes ACP
>> 2017-05-25 - Superintendent's Weekly Report Published
>> 2017-05-24 - grok establishes gFP
>> 2017-05-23 - 天火狐 establishes ⌑შए
>> 2017-05-23 - Publius Scribonius Scholasticus establishes PRN
>> 2017-05-22 - Quazie establishes WTQ
>> 2017-05-22 - CuddleBeam establishes ACP
>> 2017-05-22 - CuddleBeam establishes BGW
>> 2017-05-20 - Publius Scribonius Scholasticus establishes SSP
>> 2017-05-20 - Gaelan establishes MKD
>> 2017-05-20 - Quazie establishes GOD
>> 2017-05-18 - Superintendent's Monthly Report Published
>> 2017-05-18 - Superintendent's Weekly Report Published
>> 2017-04-23 - Aris revokes PDA
>> 2017-04-16 - Superintendent's Monthly Report Published
>> 2017-02-13 - Aris establishes PDA
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



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BUS: Assessor election

[Owen Jacobson]

I intend, with four support, to initiate an election for the office of Assessor.

Please don’t make me do it. I’ll take the job temporarily unless someone else 
wants it, but I’m at my paperwork-processing capacity for the time being 
already, and likely won’t do it _well_.

-o



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BUS: My first proposal!

[ATMunn .]

I create the following proposal:

Title: "Cheer Up"
Author: ATMunn
Co-Authors: none
AI: 1

Create a power-1 rule titled "Emotions"
{
Emotion is a player switch, tracked by the registrar, with possible
values Joyous, Melancholy, and Indifferent, that defaults to Indifferent.
At any time, any player CAN flip eir own Emotion to any value it is
currently not.
When doing this, e MUST provide a reason as to why e changed eir
Emotion as such.
Failing to do so can result in a Green Card being issued to the player.
If a player thinks that another player's reason for changing eir
Emotion is invalid, e SHOULD point eir finger at em.
A player's Emotion has the following affects:

   - Indifferent: No effect.
   - Melancholy: Any player that is not Melancholy may pat any
   Melancholy player on the back. Upon doing this, the Melancholy player is
   ENCOURAGED to change eir emotion to Joyous.
   - Joyous: Any player that is Joyous is ENCOURAGED to pat Melancholy
   players on the back. E is also ENCOURAGED to do other kind acts, such as
   paying shinies to other players or pending other players' proposals.

}

[I thought I would do something sillier for my first proposal. I doubt
it'll pass, but it might. I'm still not entirely sure how the whole
figer-pointing thing and cards work, so I won't pend it just yet.]

BUS: [ADoP] Initiating election for the Assessor and Herald

[VJ Rada]

I was gonna do these in two days after I resolved the election for
Superintendent but if y'all want to go now, I'm down with it. I
initiate the elections for Assessor and Herald, as the ADoP. I then
initiate the Agoran Decisions for the determination of those offices,
the valid options are the players, and the quorum? Well, the quorum is
8.0. Yup, 8.0. Good luck!

-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating election for the Assessor and Herald

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:33 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> I was gonna do these in two days after I resolved the election for
> Superintendent but if y'all want to go now, I'm down with it. I
> initiate the elections for Assessor and Herald, as the ADoP. I then
> initiate the Agoran Decisions for the determination of those offices,
> the valid options are the players, and the quorum? Well, the quorum is
> 8.0. Yup, 8.0. Good luck!

Eight! Good grief, I’d better vote or we’ll be stuck here forever.

For Herald, I vote for the first player to unconditionally vote for emself as 
first preference.

For Assessor, I vote for the first player to unconditionally vote for emself as 
first preference, followed by myself.

-o



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Re: BUS: My first proposal!

[ATMunn .]

Actually, can't you just state that you change things in a proposal instead
of retracting it and creating it again?
If so, then I make the following change. to the proposal "Cheer Up". If
not, then I retract the proposal and create a new proposal titled "Cheer Up
v3" in its place with the following change.

Replace
{
Melancholy: Any player that is not Melancholy may pat any Melancholy
player on the back. Upon doing this, the Melancholy player is ENCOURAGED to
change eir emotion to Joyous.
}
with
{
Melancholy: Any player that is not currently Melancholy MAY pat any
Melancholy player on the back. Upon doing this, the Melancholy player is
ENCOURAGED to change eir emotion to Joyous.
}

I then pend the proposal "Cheer Up" (or "Cheer Up v3", depending on how
that works) using 1 AP.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:43 PM, ATMunn .  wrote:

> I retract the proposal "Cheer Up" and create the following proposal in its
> place:
>
> Title: "Cheer Up"
> Author: ATMunn
> Co-Authors: none
> AI: 1
>
> Create a power-1 rule titled "Emotions"
> {
> Emotion is a player switch, tracked by the registrar, with possible
> values Joyous, Melancholy, and Indifferent, that defaults to Indifferent.
> At any time, any player CAN flip eir own Emotion to any value it is
> currently not.
> When doing this, e MUST provide a reason as to why e changed eir
> Emotion as such.
> A player's Emotion has the following affects:
>
>- Indifferent: No effect.
>- Melancholy: Any player that is not Melancholy may pat any
>Melancholy player on the back. Upon doing this, the Melancholy player is
>ENCOURAGED to change eir emotion to Joyous.
>- Joyous: Any player that is Joyous is ENCOURAGED to pat
>Melancholy players on the back. E is also ENCOURAGED to do other kind acts,
>such as paying shinies to other players or pending other players' 
> proposals.
>
> }
>
> [Reason: As several people pointed out, there was some redundancy
> regarding punishments.]
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:34 PM, ATMunn .  wrote:
>
>> I create the following proposal:
>>
>> Title: "Cheer Up"
>> Author: ATMunn
>> Co-Authors: none
>> AI: 1
>>
>> Create a power-1 rule titled "Emotions"
>> {
>> Emotion is a player switch, tracked by the registrar, with possible
>> values Joyous, Melancholy, and Indifferent, that defaults to Indifferent.
>> At any time, any player CAN flip eir own Emotion to any value it is
>> currently not.
>> When doing this, e MUST provide a reason as to why e changed eir
>> Emotion as such.
>> Failing to do so can result in a Green Card being issued to the
>> player.
>> If a player thinks that another player's reason for changing eir
>> Emotion is invalid, e SHOULD point eir finger at em.
>> A player's Emotion has the following affects:
>>
>>- Indifferent: No effect.
>>- Melancholy: Any player that is not Melancholy may pat any
>>Melancholy player on the back. Upon doing this, the Melancholy player is
>>ENCOURAGED to change eir emotion to Joyous.
>>- Joyous: Any player that is Joyous is ENCOURAGED to pat
>>Melancholy players on the back. E is also ENCOURAGED to do other kind 
>> acts,
>>such as paying shinies to other players or pending other players' 
>> proposals.
>>
>> }
>>
>> [I thought I would do something sillier for my first proposal. I doubt
>> it'll pass, but it might. I'm still not entirely sure how the whole
>> figer-pointing thing and cards work, so I won't pend it just yet.]
>>
>
>

Re: BUS: My first proposal!

[ATMunn .]

Wait, I got confused by the reply being sent to discussion by default
AGAIN. It shows both as a new thread and as a reply to this one, but it was
still only sent to Discussion. Forget it.
I undo all actions done in this thread so far, and create and pend the
following proposal:

Title: "Cheer Up"
Author: ATMunn
Co-Authors: none
AI: 1

Create a power-1 rule titled "Emotions"
{
Emotion is a player switch, tracked by the registrar, with possible
values Joyous, Melancholy, and Indifferent, that defaults to Indifferent.
At any time, any player CAN flip eir own Emotion to any value it is
currently not.
When doing this, e MUST provide a reason as to why e changed eir
Emotion as such.
A player's Emotion has the following affects:

   - Indifferent: No effect.
   - Melancholy: Any player that is not currently Melancholy MAY pat
   any Melancholy player on the back. Upon doing this, the Melancholy player
   is ENCOURAGED to change eir emotion to Joyous.
   - Joyous: Any player that is Joyous is ENCOURAGED to pat Melancholy
   players on the back. E is also ENCOURAGED to do other kind acts, such as
   paying shinies to other players or pending other players' proposals.

}

I'm sorry for all the spam. Hopefully this works out as I intend in the end.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:58 PM, ATMunn .  wrote:

> Actually, can't you just state that you change things in a proposal
> instead of retracting it and creating it again?
> If so, then I make the following change. to the proposal "Cheer Up". If
> not, then I retract the proposal and create a new proposal titled "Cheer Up
> v3" in its place with the following change.
>
> Replace
> {
> Melancholy: Any player that is not Melancholy may pat any Melancholy
> player on the back. Upon doing this, the Melancholy player is ENCOURAGED to
> change eir emotion to Joyous.
> }
> with
> {
> Melancholy: Any player that is not currently Melancholy MAY pat any
> Melancholy player on the back. Upon doing this, the Melancholy player is
> ENCOURAGED to change eir emotion to Joyous.
> }
>
> I then pend the proposal "Cheer Up" (or "Cheer Up v3", depending on how
> that works) using 1 AP.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:43 PM, ATMunn .  wrote:
>
>> I retract the proposal "Cheer Up" and create the following proposal in
>> its place:
>>
>> Title: "Cheer Up"
>> Author: ATMunn
>> Co-Authors: none
>> AI: 1
>>
>> Create a power-1 rule titled "Emotions"
>> {
>> Emotion is a player switch, tracked by the registrar, with possible
>> values Joyous, Melancholy, and Indifferent, that defaults to Indifferent.
>> At any time, any player CAN flip eir own Emotion to any value it is
>> currently not.
>> When doing this, e MUST provide a reason as to why e changed eir
>> Emotion as such.
>> A player's Emotion has the following affects:
>>
>>- Indifferent: No effect.
>>- Melancholy: Any player that is not Melancholy may pat any
>>Melancholy player on the back. Upon doing this, the Melancholy player is
>>ENCOURAGED to change eir emotion to Joyous.
>>- Joyous: Any player that is Joyous is ENCOURAGED to pat
>>Melancholy players on the back. E is also ENCOURAGED to do other kind 
>> acts,
>>such as paying shinies to other players or pending other players' 
>> proposals.
>>
>> }
>>
>> [Reason: As several people pointed out, there was some redundancy
>> regarding punishments.]
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:34 PM, ATMunn . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I create the following proposal:
>>>
>>> Title: "Cheer Up"
>>> Author: ATMunn
>>> Co-Authors: none
>>> AI: 1
>>>
>>> Create a power-1 rule titled "Emotions"
>>> {
>>> Emotion is a player switch, tracked by the registrar, with possible
>>> values Joyous, Melancholy, and Indifferent, that defaults to Indifferent.
>>> At any time, any player CAN flip eir own Emotion to any value it is
>>> currently not.
>>> When doing this, e MUST provide a reason as to why e changed eir
>>> Emotion as such.
>>> Failing to do so can result in a Green Card being issued to the
>>> player.
>>> If a player thinks that another player's reason for changing eir
>>> Emotion is invalid, e SHOULD point eir finger at em.
>>> A player's Emotion has the following affects:
>>>
>>>- Indifferent: No effect.
>>>- Melancholy: Any player that is not Melancholy may pat any
>>>Melancholy player on the back. Upon doing this, the Melancholy player is
>>>ENCOURAGED to change eir emotion to Joyous.
>>>- Joyous: Any player that is Joyous is ENCOURAGED to pat
>>>Melancholy players on the back. E is also ENCOURAGED to do other kind 
>>> acts,
>>>such as paying shinies to other players or pending other players' 
>>> proposals.
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>> [I thought I would do something sillier for my first proposal. I doubt
>>> it'll pass, but it might. I'm still not entirely sure how the whole
>>> figer-pointing 

Re: BUS: [Proposal] Slower Promotion

[VJ Rada]

Arguments: Punk Slips are appropriate for "abuses of official power"
for "personal gain". Nichdel here, just as Gaelan did not under CFJ
35-09, did not exercise any power. In fact, this card is issued for
INACTION, which is not a power of the assessor just as much as it is
not a power of anyone else. Additionally, judges should narrowly
interpret "personal gain" to include circumstances only within Agora's
ruleset, not something as speculative as the circumstances here. Game
practice supports my argument: slightly late reports have ALWAYS to
this date, been given a green card.



On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:47 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> I call a CFJ with the statement: The Pink Slip below issued is both
> INEFFECTIVE and ILLEGAL. I use AP.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>> As it happens, I have just enough cards left to deal with both this and 
>> Alexis’ finger before I run out for the week, and now that the proposal 
>> fixing the “or” in Vigilante Justice has been assessed, finger-pointing 
>> actually somewhat works again. Hooray!
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>
>>> This is absurd.  Was going to let it pass, but I point the Finger at Nichdel
>>> for late Assessment of Decision to Adopt proposal 7876.
>>>
>>> I note, for the purposes of determining carding, that this lateness had a
>>> direct and material impact on my own earnings as well as others.
>>
>> And on mine, which causes a minor conflict of interest. However, no rule 
>> allows me to recuse myself, and this is not a finger-pointing related the 
>> official duties or powers of the Referee, so the Arbitor cannot take over. 
>> I’ll have to do my best.
>>
>> Proposal 7876 was distributed on Mon, 11 Sep 2017 01:19:41 UTC. As voting 
>> was not extended, voting ended at Mon, 18 Sep 2017 01:19:41 UTC, exactly 7d 
>> after distribution (rule 107, “Initiating Agoran Decisions").
>>
>> nichdel assessed it at Tue, 26 Sep 2017 19:49:53 UTC. 8d, 18h 30m 12s 
>> elapsed from the close of voting to the proposal's assessment. Rule 208 
>> (“Resolving Agoran Decisions”) states:
>>
>>> The vote collector for an unresolved Agoran decision CAN resolve it by 
>>> announcement, indicating the outcome. If it was required to be initiated, 
>>> then e SHALL resolve it in a timely fashion after the end of the voting 
>>> period.
>>
>> nichdel, as Assessor, was the vote collector for the Agoran Decision to 
>> adopt proposal 7876. As more than seven days had elapsed (rule 1023, “Common 
>> Definitions”), e did not do so in a timely fashion, and has violated the 
>> above clause of rule 208.
>>
>> G.’s allegation that the late assessment has a direct and material impact on 
>> gameplay is compelling. Furthermore, beyond the effects G. identifies, 
>> Assessment directly affects the adoption of rule changes, which are 
>> fundamental to Agora. However, I believe a Yellow Card would be 
>> inappropriate, and unduly punitive. Instead, I note that nichdel delayed 
>> assessment for reasons e spelled out in a message to agora-discussion:
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
>>
>>> Due to a stressful trip coming up this weekend and the size of the
>>> current batch of proposals, I'm unlikely to be able to assess until mid
>>> next week. If there's interest, I could create an agency that allows
>>> someone else to assess.
>>
>> nichdel clearly delayed assessment for eir own gain, vis., to gain 
>> additional time and attention to dedicate to a personal trip. As such, e has 
>> abused the office of Assessor, and I hereby issue em a Pink Slip by summary 
>> judgement.
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>
>>> I note to the Referee, so e can feel informed and NOT believe that there are
>>> no rules violations this week, that Nichdel was similarly late on proposals
>>> 7877-7898.
>>
>> So noted.
>>
>> -o
>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: [Proposal] Slower Promotion

[VJ Rada]

I call a CFJ with the statement: The Pink Slip below issued is both
INEFFECTIVE and ILLEGAL. I use AP.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> As it happens, I have just enough cards left to deal with both this and 
> Alexis’ finger before I run out for the week, and now that the proposal 
> fixing the “or” in Vigilante Justice has been assessed, finger-pointing 
> actually somewhat works again. Hooray!
>
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>> This is absurd.  Was going to let it pass, but I point the Finger at Nichdel
>> for late Assessment of Decision to Adopt proposal 7876.
>>
>> I note, for the purposes of determining carding, that this lateness had a
>> direct and material impact on my own earnings as well as others.
>
> And on mine, which causes a minor conflict of interest. However, no rule 
> allows me to recuse myself, and this is not a finger-pointing related the 
> official duties or powers of the Referee, so the Arbitor cannot take over. 
> I’ll have to do my best.
>
> Proposal 7876 was distributed on Mon, 11 Sep 2017 01:19:41 UTC. As voting was 
> not extended, voting ended at Mon, 18 Sep 2017 01:19:41 UTC, exactly 7d after 
> distribution (rule 107, “Initiating Agoran Decisions").
>
> nichdel assessed it at Tue, 26 Sep 2017 19:49:53 UTC. 8d, 18h 30m 12s elapsed 
> from the close of voting to the proposal's assessment. Rule 208 (“Resolving 
> Agoran Decisions”) states:
>
>> The vote collector for an unresolved Agoran decision CAN resolve it by 
>> announcement, indicating the outcome. If it was required to be initiated, 
>> then e SHALL resolve it in a timely fashion after the end of the voting 
>> period.
>
> nichdel, as Assessor, was the vote collector for the Agoran Decision to adopt 
> proposal 7876. As more than seven days had elapsed (rule 1023, “Common 
> Definitions”), e did not do so in a timely fashion, and has violated the 
> above clause of rule 208.
>
> G.’s allegation that the late assessment has a direct and material impact on 
> gameplay is compelling. Furthermore, beyond the effects G. identifies, 
> Assessment directly affects the adoption of rule changes, which are 
> fundamental to Agora. However, I believe a Yellow Card would be 
> inappropriate, and unduly punitive. Instead, I note that nichdel delayed 
> assessment for reasons e spelled out in a message to agora-discussion:
>
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
>
>> Due to a stressful trip coming up this weekend and the size of the
>> current batch of proposals, I'm unlikely to be able to assess until mid
>> next week. If there's interest, I could create an agency that allows
>> someone else to assess.
>
> nichdel clearly delayed assessment for eir own gain, vis., to gain additional 
> time and attention to dedicate to a personal trip. As such, e has abused the 
> office of Assessor, and I hereby issue em a Pink Slip by summary judgement.
>
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>> I note to the Referee, so e can feel informed and NOT believe that there are
>> no rules violations this week, that Nichdel was similarly late on proposals
>> 7877-7898.
>
> So noted.
>
> -o
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7905-7907

[Kerim Aydin]

I vote:

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> 7905*  CuddleBeam1.0  Shiny Love   CuddleBeam  1 AP
FOR

> 7906*  Gaelan1.0  Happiness has a cost.Gaelan  1 AP
AGAINST.  Fortunately it does nothing because voting strength can't be set at 
AI-1
(and "voting power" doesn't exist anyway).  But regardless, this mob-rule 
censure
is simply shameful, and it turns out its a good thing that Agora doesn't allow
straight majority-rule on many things.

> 7907*  CuddleBeam1.0  make Cuddlebeam happy.   CuddleBeam  1 AP
FOR

BUS: Stamp transfer

[grok (caleb vines)]

I purchase a stamp by transferring 1 shiny to Agora.


-grok

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7905-7907

[grok (caleb vines)]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I strongly encourage everyone to vote FOR both "Happiness has a cost."
> and "make CuddleBeam happy." Someone needs to teach em to stop
> annoying other people for no reason, and the penalty is very fitting.
>
> -Aris


Sure

I ENDORSE Aris on all Proposals 7899 through 7907


-grok

BUS: Actions and Reportor Solicitations

[Josh T]

I buy a stamp for 1 sh. by transferring that amount to Agora.

I pledge to, for each reply which gives a summary no fewer than 30 words of
a recent event which one may deem suitable to be entered into a Reportor
report, submitted before 10am EDT, September 29th, 2017, to do the
following:
* At a time no earlier than the aforementioned time, review it against all
summaries which cover the same or similar event(s) and meet the purview of
this pledge and select the summary which I find most informative of each
such grouping (henceforth "best review on an event");
* For each best review on an event, pay its author 3 sh., provided that I
have not yet paid at least 30 sh. via this pledge.
* Include an editorialized article based off each best review of an event
which I find time to write about in the next Reportor report.

天火狐

Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating election for the Assessor and Herald

[Alexis Hunt]

I think I'm seeing messages come in with weird timestamps, but if I am
eligible to vote, I will endorse G. in both elections for the time being
just to make sure that quorum is satisfied.

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 at 22:18 grok (caleb vines)  wrote:

> On Sep 26, 2017 8:33 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:
>
> I was gonna do these in two days after I resolved the election for
> Superintendent but if y'all want to go now, I'm down with it. I
> initiate the elections for Assessor and Herald, as the ADoP. I then
> initiate the Agoran Decisions for the determination of those offices,
> the valid options are the players, and the quorum? Well, the quorum is
> 8.0. Yup, 8.0. Good luck!
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>
>
>
> In the election for Herald, I endorse G.
>
> In the election for Assessor, I endorse the player whose name matches the
> value of gFP's Name switch (currently "grok"), unless its value is set to
> "grok". If gFP's Name switch is set to "grok", I vote present.
>
> I pledge that, until the current elections for Herald and Assessor are
> assessed, I will not change the value of gFP's Name switch unless another
> player acts on my behalf to do so.
>
>
> -grok
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [ADoP] Initiating election for the Assessor and Herald

[VJ Rada]

I vote for G as herald.

I vote for PSS as assessor.

I unofficially shame myself for being even dumber than usual.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:52 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> FUCK WHY DID I INITIATE AN ELECTION FOR HERALD WHEN I MEANT TAILOR WE
> JUST RE-ELECTED G. HERALD WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!!!
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:50 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> You are not, by about 50 minutes.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
>>> I think I'm seeing messages come in with weird timestamps, but if I am
>>> eligible to vote, I will endorse G. in both elections for the time being
>>> just to make sure that quorum is satisfied.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 at 22:18 grok (caleb vines)  wrote:

 On Sep 26, 2017 8:33 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:

 I was gonna do these in two days after I resolved the election for
 Superintendent but if y'all want to go now, I'm down with it. I
 initiate the elections for Assessor and Herald, as the ADoP. I then
 initiate the Agoran Decisions for the determination of those offices,
 the valid options are the players, and the quorum? Well, the quorum is
 8.0. Yup, 8.0. Good luck!

 --
 From V.J. Rada



 In the election for Herald, I endorse G.

 In the election for Assessor, I endorse the player whose name matches the
 value of gFP's Name switch (currently "grok"), unless its value is set to
 "grok". If gFP's Name switch is set to "grok", I vote present.

 I pledge that, until the current elections for Herald and Assessor are
 assessed, I will not change the value of gFP's Name switch unless another
 player acts on my behalf to do so.


 -grok
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: pledge

[Kerim Aydin]

I pledge as follows:

If a plaintext (ISO-8859-1) of the following SHA-512 hash is published,
where the plaintext is 42 characters or less in length, then I will have
performed as described in it:

766697bbcd12ee0d916bd2ee0edb5d351fef2bf6d32dd5d0bb002031fefbaca9
a1bc1732ce2f9f00f1fc396015c859f8991a31b4c3938ab8a568acafc2f43ae8

[This is written such that it cannot be considered broken unless its
plaintext is published, which I assume would only happen if certain
private parties are unsatisfied with my actions over the next week.
Yes, I know of the upcoming proposal that would destroy this pledge 
- that should be enough time].

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

[Gaelan Steele]

I throw 23 shinies at Agora. 

Gaelan

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>>> * The reward for authoring or pending a successful proposal pended with 
>>> shinies is 1 sh.
>> 
>> Ok, so as much as I understand the assessor's lateness, I suspect it cost me
>> personally a fair purse of shinies.  I'm at the point where I'm ready to 
>> call the
>> entire wildly-adjusting and oscillating"system" frustrating guesswork and
>> gambling to tune out of it entirely, voting to just keep AP and be happy with
>> a couple actions a week.
> 
> Economic reform goals:
> 
> 1. Keep everything stable. I'd say we also need to keep things
> interesting, but frankly everyone could use a bit of boringness right
> now. This is impacting the workloads of several officers (meaning we
> have to do our work in bursts) and is ruining stability and financial
> planing. IMHO, this is is also the biggest flaw in at least two
> proposals, Shiny Weather and Hot Potato, which would both actually
> reduce stability in the markets.
> 
> 2. Keep Agora solvent. Another major flaw in most financial proposals.
> At least half of any wealth from taxes should go to Agora. Yes, that's
> right, half. I know this is going to be unpopular, but wealth
> redistribution will not actually create a good financial system unless
> rule based rewards work. This is the upside of "print money" style
> proposals, which people vote against primarily because they're
> applying too much real world economics (not that people need to vote
> for them, see the next sentence, but I think they vote against for the
> wrong reasons). The disadvantage of that kind of proposal is that
> they're short term fixes that don't solve the underlying problem. I'm
> starting to think that a two tier tax might be best. A wealth
> redistribution tax would be placed on the rich, while a public tax
> would be levied on all but the poor.
> 
> 3. Redistribute wealth. Yeah, this is third. No, that isn't a mistake.
> Every self-respecting economic reform proposal does this, but it's
> actually rather pointless without the other two. Until those happen,
> shines aren't a stable form of value.
> 
> Temporary fix (mandatory charity): I have 48 shinies. I pay Agora 16
> shines. All players, but especially o and P.S.S SHOULD give Agora 1/3
> of their shinies, receiving nothing in exchange. I pledge to publish a
> list of who has and has not done so. I also pledge that if I judge the
> response of the community to be insufficient, I will submit and pend a
> proposal levying a tax upon all players.
> 
> -Aris

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7899-7904

[Aris Merchant]

 I vote as follows:
>
>> ID Author(s) AI   TitlePender  Pend fee
>> ---
>> 7899*  G.2.0  Arbitor's Union  G.  1 AP

Endorse the Arbitor.

>> 7900*  o 2.0  Come What Mayo   1 AP

FOR, as a needed fix.


>> 7901*  o, [1]3.0  Make Your Home Shine o   6 sh.

FOR. This is definitely something of an experiment, but an interesting one.

>> 7902*  G.1.0  Switch no-opsG.  1 AP

FOR. Another needed fix.

>> 7903*  G.2.0  Numerical switches v2G.  1 AP

FOR. This makes things cleaner.

>> 7904*  G., 天火狐 1.0  Such is Karma v2 Aris1 AP

FOR, although now that they have been pointed out, I share o's concerns.

-Aris

BUS: Proposal ID fix

[Gaelan Steele]

If there exists no proposal 7845, I intend without objection to ratify the 
following statement: {{{ nichdel’s “Better Accounting” Proposal was numbered 
7875. }}}

It was misnumbered, but I don’t remember if that was ever fixed. I’m throwing 
this out there just in case; once the situation is cleared up, I’ll publish a 
revised ruleset. I apologize it took me this long to get around to fixing this, 
and will aim to have less of a life in the future. ;)

Gaelan 

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Per random.org, I give Agora 13 shinies.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:26 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> 
> I throw 23 shinies at Agora.
> 
> Gaelan
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Aris Merchant 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
 * The reward for authoring or pending a successful proposal pended with 
 shinies is 1 sh.
>>> 
>>> Ok, so as much as I understand the assessor's lateness, I suspect it cost me
>>> personally a fair purse of shinies.  I'm at the point where I'm ready to 
>>> call the
>>> entire wildly-adjusting and oscillating"system" frustrating guesswork and
>>> gambling to tune out of it entirely, voting to just keep AP and be happy 
>>> with
>>> a couple actions a week.
>> 
>> Economic reform goals:
>> 
>> 1. Keep everything stable. I'd say we also need to keep things
>> interesting, but frankly everyone could use a bit of boringness right
>> now. This is impacting the workloads of several officers (meaning we
>> have to do our work in bursts) and is ruining stability and financial
>> planing. IMHO, this is is also the biggest flaw in at least two
>> proposals, Shiny Weather and Hot Potato, which would both actually
>> reduce stability in the markets.
>> 
>> 2. Keep Agora solvent. Another major flaw in most financial proposals.
>> At least half of any wealth from taxes should go to Agora. Yes, that's
>> right, half. I know this is going to be unpopular, but wealth
>> redistribution will not actually create a good financial system unless
>> rule based rewards work. This is the upside of "print money" style
>> proposals, which people vote against primarily because they're
>> applying too much real world economics (not that people need to vote
>> for them, see the next sentence, but I think they vote against for the
>> wrong reasons). The disadvantage of that kind of proposal is that
>> they're short term fixes that don't solve the underlying problem. I'm
>> starting to think that a two tier tax might be best. A wealth
>> redistribution tax would be placed on the rich, while a public tax
>> would be levied on all but the poor.
>> 
>> 3. Redistribute wealth. Yeah, this is third. No, that isn't a mistake.
>> Every self-respecting economic reform proposal does this, but it's
>> actually rather pointless without the other two. Until those happen,
>> shines aren't a stable form of value.
>> 
>> Temporary fix (mandatory charity): I have 48 shinies. I pay Agora 16
>> shines. All players, but especially o and P.S.S SHOULD give Agora 1/3
>> of their shinies, receiving nothing in exchange. I pledge to publish a
>> list of who has and has not done so. I also pledge that if I judge the
>> response of the community to be insufficient, I will submit and pend a
>> proposal levying a tax upon all players.
>> 
>> -Aris



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I purchase a stamp for 1 shiny.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 4.
> 
> This week:
> 
> * Pending a proposal costs 1 AP or 1 sh.
> * Calling for judgement, if a player, costs 1 AP or 1 sh.
> * The reward for authoring or pending a successful proposal pended with 
> shinies is 1 sh.
> * The reward for judging a CFJ called with shinies is 1 sh.
> * The Stamp Value is 1 sh.
> 
> 
> Secretary's Weekly Report
> 
> Date of this report: Tue, 26 Sep 2017
> Date of last report: Wed, 20 Sep 2017
> 
> 
> Recent events (all times UTC):
> 
> Mon,  4 Sep 2017 21:59:53  P.S.S. paid Agora 4 sh.
> Mon,  4 Sep 2017 22:10:20  ais523 paid Agora 4 sh.
> Mon,  4 Sep 2017 22:18:07  o paid Agora 4 sh.
> Mon,  4 Sep 2017 22:21:11  Aris paid Agora 4 sh.
> Tue,  5 Sep 2017 05:06:00  ais523 paid o 10 sh.
> Tue,  5 Sep 2017 05:11:06  o transferred an o stamp to ais523
> Tue,  5 Sep 2017 18:27:50  nichdel paid Agora 4 sh.
> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 06:13:43  Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 06:21:18  Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 07:14:23  Agora paid Gaelan 24 sh.
> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 07:14:23  Gaelan paid CuddleBeamn 10 sh.
> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 23:23:46  o paid Agora 1 sh.
> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 23:33:23  o paid Agora 1 sh.
> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 23:39:53  o paid Agora 1 sh.
> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 23:45:56  o paid Agora 1 sh.
> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 19:48:39  o paid Agora 1 sh.
> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 02:17:14  o paid Agora 1 sh.
> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 05:24:06  o paid Agora 1 sh.
> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 17:02:13  G. paid Agora 1 sh.
> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 19:28:48  G. paid Agora 1 sh.
> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 19:26:15  G. paid Agora 4 sh.
> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 19:47:44  天火狐 paid Agora 4 sh.
> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 19:53:26  Quazie paid Agora 4 sh.
> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 20:21:36  CuddleBeam paid Agora 4 sh.
> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 07:20:38  o paid CuddleBeam 7 sh.
> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 19:20:25  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 19:42:37  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 21:26:49  o paid Agora 2 sh.
> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 21:51:28  Gaelan paid Agora 4 sh.
> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 21:52:47  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:37:41  V.J Rada deregistered Sprocklem
> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:38:36  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:40:01  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:56:31  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:58:07  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 23:05:47  V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 23:36:38  Gaelan paid Agora 1 sh.
> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 00:12:00  V.J Rada paid 天火狐 1 sh.
> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 01:51:45  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 03:54:53  Gaelan paid Agora 1 sh.
> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 05:42:35  Agora paid Aris 5 sh.
> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 17:35:30  ais523 deregistered
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 03:45:16  o paid Aris 1 sh.
> - previous report -
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:22:23  Agora paid o 15 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:22:23  Agora paid K 50 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  CuddleBeam destroyed a CuddleBeam stamp
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  Agora paid CuddleBeam 23 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  CuddleBeam paid Agora 68 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:31:02  CuddleBeam paid Agora 1 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:31:02  Agora paid CuddleBeam 50 sh.
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:30:50  Agora paid nichdel 5 sh.
> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:56:58  Agora paid o 6 sh.
> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 04:08:34  CuddleBeam paid o 2 sh.
> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 18:59:18  Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:03:40  Aris paid 天火狐 5 sh.
> Thu, 14 Sep 2017 22:14:17  o paid 天火狐 2 sh.
> Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:52:11  Veggiekeks and babelien deregistered
> - time of last report -
> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:11:50  Agora paid o 15 sh.
> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:16:18  Agora paid V.J Rada 50 sh.
> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 22:02:57  Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
> Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:32:10  Quazie paid ATMunn 1 sh.
> Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:36:08  o paid 天火狐 2 sh.
> Fri, 22 Sep 2017 14:01:12  Agora paid ATMunn 50 sh.
> Sun, 24 Sep 2017 02:23:32  Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
> Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:02:28  Agora paid P.S.S.[1] 5 sh.
> 
> [1] In full, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus"
> 
> 
> Personal Lockouts: None
> 
> Global Lockout: No
> 
> 
> Balances:
> 
>   4 Shinies  Agora
>   1 Shinies  Organization
>   1 ShiniesASaAA
> 995 Shinies  Player
>  51 ShiniesATMunn
>  48 ShiniesAris
>  65 ShiniesCuddleBeam
>  44 ShiniesG.
>  69 ShiniesGaelan
>  50 ShiniesIenpw III
>  50 ShiniesK
>  50 ShiniesMurphy
> 107 ShiniesPublius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  50 ShiniesQuazie
>  63 ShiniesV.J Rada
>  50 Shiniesbayushi
>  50 Shiniesgrok
>  12 Shiniesnichdel
> 131 Shinieso
>  50 Shiniesomd
>  55 Shinies天火狐
> 
> 
> Stamps:
> 

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

[VJ Rada]

I also buy a stamp for 1 shiny (down to 41)

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
> I purchase a stamp for 1 shiny.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>
>> As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 4.
>>
>> This week:
>>
>> * Pending a proposal costs 1 AP or 1 sh.
>> * Calling for judgement, if a player, costs 1 AP or 1 sh.
>> * The reward for authoring or pending a successful proposal pended with 
>> shinies is 1 sh.
>> * The reward for judging a CFJ called with shinies is 1 sh.
>> * The Stamp Value is 1 sh.
>>
>>
>> Secretary's Weekly Report
>>
>> Date of this report: Tue, 26 Sep 2017
>> Date of last report: Wed, 20 Sep 2017
>>
>>
>> Recent events (all times UTC):
>>
>> Mon,  4 Sep 2017 21:59:53  P.S.S. paid Agora 4 sh.
>> Mon,  4 Sep 2017 22:10:20  ais523 paid Agora 4 sh.
>> Mon,  4 Sep 2017 22:18:07  o paid Agora 4 sh.
>> Mon,  4 Sep 2017 22:21:11  Aris paid Agora 4 sh.
>> Tue,  5 Sep 2017 05:06:00  ais523 paid o 10 sh.
>> Tue,  5 Sep 2017 05:11:06  o transferred an o stamp to ais523
>> Tue,  5 Sep 2017 18:27:50  nichdel paid Agora 4 sh.
>> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 06:13:43  Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
>> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 06:21:18  Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
>> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 07:14:23  Agora paid Gaelan 24 sh.
>> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 07:14:23  Gaelan paid CuddleBeamn 10 sh.
>> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 23:23:46  o paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 23:33:23  o paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 23:39:53  o paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 23:45:56  o paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Thu,  7 Sep 2017 19:48:39  o paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 02:17:14  o paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 05:24:06  o paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 17:02:13  G. paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 19:28:48  G. paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 19:26:15  G. paid Agora 4 sh.
>> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 19:47:44  天火狐 paid Agora 4 sh.
>> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 19:53:26  Quazie paid Agora 4 sh.
>> Fri,  8 Sep 2017 20:21:36  CuddleBeam paid Agora 4 sh.
>> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 07:20:38  o paid CuddleBeam 7 sh.
>> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 19:20:25  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 19:42:37  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 21:26:49  o paid Agora 2 sh.
>> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 21:51:28  Gaelan paid Agora 4 sh.
>> Sat,  9 Sep 2017 21:52:47  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:37:41  V.J Rada deregistered Sprocklem
>> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:38:36  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:40:01  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:56:31  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:58:07  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 23:05:47  V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sun, 10 Sep 2017 23:36:38  Gaelan paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 00:12:00  V.J Rada paid 天火狐 1 sh.
>> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 01:51:45  Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 03:54:53  Gaelan paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 05:42:35  Agora paid Aris 5 sh.
>> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 17:35:30  ais523 deregistered
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 03:45:16  o paid Aris 1 sh.
>> - previous report -
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:22:23  Agora paid o 15 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:22:23  Agora paid K 50 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  CuddleBeam destroyed a CuddleBeam stamp
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  Agora paid CuddleBeam 23 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  CuddleBeam paid Agora 68 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:31:02  CuddleBeam paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:31:02  Agora paid CuddleBeam 50 sh.
>> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 17:30:50  Agora paid nichdel 5 sh.
>> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 00:56:58  Agora paid o 6 sh.
>> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 04:08:34  CuddleBeam paid o 2 sh.
>> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 18:59:18  Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
>> Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:03:40  Aris paid 天火狐 5 sh.
>> Thu, 14 Sep 2017 22:14:17  o paid 天火狐 2 sh.
>> Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:52:11  Veggiekeks and babelien deregistered
>> - time of last report -
>> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:11:50  Agora paid o 15 sh.
>> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:16:18  Agora paid V.J Rada 50 sh.
>> Wed, 20 Sep 2017 22:02:57  Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
>> Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:32:10  Quazie paid ATMunn 1 sh.
>> Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:36:08  o paid 天火狐 2 sh.
>> Fri, 22 Sep 2017 14:01:12  Agora paid ATMunn 50 sh.
>> Sun, 24 Sep 2017 02:23:32  Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
>> Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:02:28  Agora paid P.S.S.[1] 5 sh.
>>
>> [1] In full, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus"
>>
>>
>> Personal Lockouts: None
>>
>> Global Lockout: No
>>
>>
>> Balances:
>>
>>   4 Shinies  Agora
>>   1 Shinies  Organization
>>   1 ShiniesASaAA
>> 995 Shinies  Player
>>  51 ShiniesATMunn
>>  48 ShiniesAris
>>  65 ShiniesCuddleBeam
>>  44 ShiniesG.
>>  69 ShiniesGaelan
>>  50 ShiniesIenpw III
>>  50 ShiniesK
>>  50 ShiniesMurphy
>> 107 ShiniesPublius Scribonius 

BUS: Proposals and Proposals for All (Was: Re: Proto: Vacant Deputisation (Was: Re: DIS: Various questions))

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Title: Banking
Authors: PSS, o
AI: 3
Text: {
Amend "Assets" by replacing the following line:

  restricted to Agora, persons, and organizations.

with the following line:

  restricted to Agora, persons, organizations, and Banks.

Create a power-2 rule, titled "Banking", with the following text:
  A Bank has have a charter and a length. The Central Bank of Agora
  is the bank who is responsible for the conduct of business and issuance of
  bonds on behalf of Agora. The length of a bank is the period during which the
  bank will operate. If at any time, a Central Bank of Agora is not declared,
  then the Secretary CAN and SHALL declare a bank to be the Central Bank of
  Agora. The Banker of the Central Bank CAN transfer shinies from the Central
  Bank to Agora, if the balance of the Central Bank after the transaction would
  not be less than 50 shinies. The Banker of the Central Bank CAN transfer
  shinies from Agora to the Central Bank, if the balance of Agora after the
  transaction would not be less than 50 shinies. It is ILLEGAL for the Banker of
  the Central Bank of Agora to transfer shinies between Agora and the Central
  Bank of Agora, if the balances of Agora or the Central Bank after the
  transaction would be less than 50 shinies. The Banker SHALL transfer shinies
  from the Central Bank to Agora, if Agora has less than 25 shinies, unless
  doing so would be ILLEGAL. The Banker SHALL transfer shinies from the Agora to
  the Central Bank, if Agora has more than 150 shinies and e has not done so in
  the past week, unless doing so would be ILLEGAL.

  A Bank is able to issue a currency and issue bonds. The charter of a
  bank shall establish the method by which a bond or currency can be issued. The
  Banker of the issuing bank is the recordkeeper for any Bonds or Currency
  issued by a bank.

  Any person CAN create a Bank without objection by specifying its charter, its
  length and appointing a banker. Any person CAN create a bank with Agoran
  Consent by specifying its charter, its length and appointing a banker. The
  charter of a bank SHALL state its purpose, and its governance structure. If at
  any time, a Bank lacks a Banker, the Secretary CAN and SHALL appoint a Banker
  in accordance with the charter of the Bank or CAN and SHALL destroy the bank.
  If any bank has existed for longer than allowed by its charter or its length,
  then the Banker and the Secretary CAN destroy it and the Banker SHALL do so in
  a timely manner. The Secretary CAN destroy a bank without objection or with
  Agoran Consent.

Create a power-2 rule, titled "Bonds", with the following text:
  Bonds are a type of asset. Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, bonds may
  only be issued by a bank. The Banker of the issuing bank is the recordkeeper
  for Bonds. All bonds SHALL have a term specified in their issuance document.
  Any person, organization, or a Bank who owns a bond CAN, according to
  the bond's issuing document, convert the bond by destroying the bond and being
  payed by the issuing bank an amount determined by its issuance document. It is
  ILLEGAL to convert a bond in violation of its issuing document.

Rename "Economics" as "Shinies"
Add to the end of the list of executive orders, in "Executive Orders", the 
following item:
  - Kickbacks (Secretary): The Prime Minister issues a bond from
the Central Bank of a class or series previously issued for
an amount less than or equal to 50 shinies and specifies a
class of purchasers.
}
I submit the above proposal and do not pend it.
I submit the below proposals and pend them with AP:
> Title: Vacant Deputisation Fix
> AI: 3
> Text: {
> Replace the second item of the second numbered list of "Deputisation", with 
> the following:
>  2. Either (i) A time limit by which the rules require the action to be
> performed has expired or (ii) the office is vacant.
}

Title: You SHALL, unless it is ILLEGAL.
AI: 2
Author: PSS
Text: {
Append to the end of Item 7 in "Mother, May I?", by removing the period and 
inserting the following string in its place, the following text:
", unless performing the described action is ILLEGAL."
}

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 23, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> 
> Title: Vacant Deputisation Fix
> Power:3
> Text: {
> Replace the second item of the second numbered list of "Deputisation", with 
> the following:
>  2. Either (i) A time limit by which the rules require the action to be
> performed has expired or (ii) the offixe is vacant.
> }
> 
> I think this should fix that problem.
> 
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Alex Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 2017-09-23 at 15:26 -0400, ATMunn . wrote:
>>> One office that I could go for that doesn't seem too difficult is the
>>> Tailor. If an 

Re: BUS: Vital History Gone Missing!

[Owen Jacobson]

On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> I Point a Finger at Publius Scribonius Scholasticus alleging that, as 
> Registrar, e has committed the Class-2 Crime of Tardiness by not reporting 
> last week on the players deregistered by Writ of Fage, as required by Rule 
> 1789.

Neither of the two most recent unchallenged documents identified as a 
Registrar’s report contain the list required by rule 1789 ("Cantus Cygneus”):

> The Player is deregistered as of the posting of the Writ, and the notation in 
> the Registrar's Report will ensure that, henceforth, all may know said Player 
> deregistered in a Writ of FAGE.

The wording in this rule is unusual, but it appears to require that a 
deregistration by Writ of FAGE be recorded in the Registrar’s reports 
indefinitely. This is supported by language in rule 2143:

> Any information defined by the rules as part of a person's report, without 
> specifying which one, is part of eir weekly report. Failure of a person to 
> perform any duty required of em within the allotted time is the Class-2 crime 
> of Tardiness.

The requirement for a “notation in the Registrar’s Report” clearly makes such a 
notation part of the Registrar’s report.

I issue Publius Scribonius Scholasticus a green card by summary judgement for 
violating rule 2143.

I believe I’m out of cards for the week, depending the results of V.J Rada’s 
CFJ.

-o



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