Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Insulator] Report
Ed Murphy wrote: woggle wrote: The second NoV (which wasn't on 19 May) named the crime correctly. The first did not. Does this invalidate CFJ 2537? No it does not. The second NoV, on May 25, was valid (BobTHJ has yet to post a notice to that effect though).
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Insulator] Report
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 23:59, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: woggle wrote: The second NoV (which wasn't on 19 May) named the crime correctly. The first did not. Does this invalidate CFJ 2537? No it does not. The second NoV, on May 25, was valid (BobTHJ has yet to post a notice to that effect though). Yes, it was listed in the Insulator report I published yesterday. BobTHJ
DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause Human Point Two to register. What Rule says you can act on behalf of HP2 to register emself with Agoran consent?
DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Due to Proposal 6320, Human Point Two is no longer a person, but is still a contract and the judge of CFJ 2521 (Rule 1868: Being unqualified to be assigned as a judge does not inherently prevent an entity from continuing to be judge of a case to which e is already assigned). I request the consent of OscarMeyr and Quazie to become party to Human Point Two. I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause Human Point Two to register. I consent to murphy joining hp2.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 18:57 -0400, comex wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Gratuitous: As judge didn't notice the ratification attempt; if I had noticed it I would have delayed the judgement to avoid the issue. Since the judgement found that, to the best of available evidence, there had been no ratifications in a long time and at least one longstanding error, means that (if the Promotor had not ratified) e would be publishing documents that e knew were likely to contain other errors, so e would not be able to avoid breaching the rules in a manner at least as serious. -G. E could avoid breaching the rules by making a proposal to remove stale proposals from the pool. Not only that, e /did/ make a proposal to remove stale proposals from the pool... -- ais523
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Cookie Jar awards
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 17:24 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: I revoke all x-points listed above. I suspect this fails; surely the Cookie Jar's revocation limit isn't that high? Given that the Cookie Jar is churning out such an insanely large number of points, this may have quite a distorting effect on the current scores. -- ais523
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2524 assigned to coppro
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 19:11 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2524 == Equity Case 2524 == c-walker flipped the contestmaster of the C# Party to Murphy. Murphy SHALL revoke an x-point from emself (as required by R2233, but in addtion to that being a factor in this equity judgment) flip the contestmaster of the C# Party to c-walker. Impossible SHALL, the C# Party is no longer a contest (it was ratified as a non-contest by proposal). -- ais523 Notary
DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 18:49 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: Due to Proposal 6320, Human Point Two is no longer a person, but is still a contract and the judge of CFJ 2521 (Rule 1868: Being unqualified to be assigned as a judge does not inherently prevent an entity from continuing to be judge of a case to which e is already assigned). I request the consent of OscarMeyr and Quazie to become party to Human Point Two. I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause Human Point Two to register. I believe Human Point Two is nevertheless a player. Deregistering contracts for nonpersonship is pragmatised. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480 remanded to Taral by Wooble (AFFIRM), Rodlen (AFFIRM but NttPF), Tiger
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 19:42 -0700, Taral wrote:
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:
Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2480a
Appeal 2480a
Panelist: Wooble
Panelist: Rodlen
Panelist: Tiger
Decision: REMAND
I solicit further opinions on this topic, as it is not clear what
jurisprudence should be set here. In the absence of further
commentary, I believe I shall proceed to re-affirm my previous
judgement. The wording of the rule was not so poor as to make its
intention unclear to a reasonable person. I applaud ais523's steadfast
attempt to argue eir stance, but e must have known e was running a
risk when e decided to try to scam the wording of a criminal rule.
There's new evidence now, that wasn't available at the time of your
original judgement; take a look at CFJ 2530.
We really really need legislation in the area of act-on-behalf...
--
ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 23:00 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: In any case, if I'm GUILTY I believe 8 rests would be an excessive punishment. Agreed, and I would ask people to please stop putting large punishments on things they fear would be scammed when they're far more likely to affect legitimate play and not scamsters (who will probably have an ingenious way to avoid them). -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 14:57 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 18:49 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: Due to Proposal 6320, Human Point Two is no longer a person, but is still a contract and the judge of CFJ 2521 (Rule 1868: Being unqualified to be assigned as a judge does not inherently prevent an entity from continuing to be judge of a case to which e is already assigned). I request the consent of OscarMeyr and Quazie to become party to Human Point Two. I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause Human Point Two to register. I believe Human Point Two is nevertheless a player. Deregistering contracts for nonpersonship is pragmatised. ...except that coppro deregistered em. Sorry, I missed that bit. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool Report
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 23:00 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: In any case, if I'm GUILTY I believe 8 rests would be an excessive punishment. Agreed, and I would ask people to please stop putting large punishments on things they fear would be scammed when they're far more likely to affect legitimate play and not scamsters (who will probably have an ingenious way to avoid them). This particular high penalty is a legitimate general deterrent in that it's relatively easy for an officer to slip past a minor error in a long report as a scam, which should be frowned upon. And there have been many scams of that type. I'd suggest that it be either added to the rule (or set here as precedent) that it's not a crime if, in the intent to ratify, the officer clearly describes the general nature of the error and good of the game argument for ratifying it - letting well-informed players decide whether or not to object. [Naturally e can't lay out the specific error because if e knew its exact nature, there's probably much less reason to ratify]. -G.
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 16:58 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: NoV: Yally violated R2143, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed, by publishing a report in HTML (which is not plain text). Arguments: R101 allows players to participate in the fora. Email format is not plain text either, because it has headers. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
2009/5/26 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 16:58 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: NoV: Yally violated R2143, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed, by publishing a report in HTML (which is not plain text). Arguments: R101 allows players to participate in the fora. Email format is not plain text either, because it has headers. Those are officially RFC-defined email metadata, not part of the actual message as we speak of it.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 16:58 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: NoV: Yally violated R2143, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed, by publishing a report in HTML (which is not plain text). Arguments: R101 allows players to participate in the fora. Email format is not plain text either, because it has headers. And boy, even if that's not a defense, here's one that shouldn't be class 6. I mean, it shouldn't be better to publish no report at all instead of using HTML. -G.
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
Gratuitous: does the message contain a plain-text version without artifacts? (I can't check...) If so, it's absurd to punish Yally for including a monospaced HTML version. In Gmail and on iPhone, a plaintext version would be displayed in variable width font (and it can't be toggled on the later). Thus the HTML copy enhances readability-- indeed, all officers should provide it. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: Proposal 6322 (Ordinary, AI=1.0, Interest=1) by Wooble Better Reports In Rule 2143, add the following paragraph at the end: Reports SHALL be published in plain text. Tabular data must line up properly when viewed in a monospaced font. Publishing reports that deviate from these regulations is the Class 6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed. From Yally's just-posted Registrar report: [[ --001e680f0fe097d80c046ad26029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable span style=3Dfont-family: courier new,monospace;IADoP#39;s Office Repo= rt/spanbr style=3Dfont-family: courier new,monospace;br style=3Dfon= t-family: courier new,monospace;span style=3Dfont-family: courier new,m= onospace;Date of last report: /spanspan style=3Dfont-family: courier = new,monospace;Tue, 19 May 09/spanbr style=3Dfont-family: courier new,= monospace; ]] NoV: Yally violated R2143, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed, by publishing a report in HTML (which is not plain text).
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
It's as much a standard as the aforementioned email headers. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: NoV: Yally violated R2143, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed, by publishing a report in HTML (which is not plain text). I contest this. It wasn't the Registrar's report, and the HTML wasn't the problem. NoV: Yally violated R2143, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed, by publishing the IADoP report in some nonsense MIME junk (which is not plain text). Evidence: --001e680f0fe097d80c046ad26029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [...] --001e680f0fe097d80c046ad26029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [...(some other, non-MIME, HTML junk appears here)...] --001e680f0fe097d80c046ad26029--
DIS: Re: ?spam? BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 12:15 -0400, Quazie wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 6302 6303 6304 6305 6306 6307 6308 6309 6310 6311 ais523F F F F F F A2A F F BobTHJF P A P P F P F F P comex A F A A A F A A A F copproF F P P F F F5A A A c-walker F P F F F P P P A A ehird F F A F A F F F A A G.P P F F A F F A A P MurphyF F P F F F F5F A P OscarMeyr F F F A F F F2A A F Pavitra F F P F F F F2F F F QuazieA P F A A F A F A F Tiger F F F F F F F F A F WoobleF F A F F F A P A A Yally A F A F P F F P P P AI2 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 VI3.3+ *U*1.2 3 2*U*2 1 0.3 1.5 F/A 10/3 10/0 6/5 9/3 8/4 13/0 8/4 11/11 3/10 6/4 COE 6309 passed, ai=vi Failed, the VI has to be above 1 for a proposal to pass regardless of what its AI is. -- ais523
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
Nope, the conditions are vi=ai -and- vi1 Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 6302 6303 6304 6305 6306 6307 6308 6309 6310 6311 ais523F F F F F F A2A F F BobTHJF P A P P F P F F P comex A F A A A F A A A F copproF F P P F F F5A A A c-walker F P F F F P P P A A ehird F F A F A F F F A A G.P P F F A F F A A P MurphyF F P F F F F5F A P OscarMeyr F F F A F F F2A A F Pavitra F F P F F F F2F F F QuazieA P F A A F A F A F Tiger F F F F F F F F A F WoobleF F A F F F A P A A Yally A F A F P F F P P P AI2 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 VI3.3+ *U*1.2 3 2*U*2 1 0.3 1.5 F/A 10/3 10/0 6/5 9/3 8/4 13/0 8/4 11/11 3/10 6/4 COE 6309 passed, ai=vi
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: COE 6309 passed, ai=vi VI has to be 1 as well.
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:07, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: NoV: Yally violated R2143, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed, by publishing a report in HTML (which is not plain text). I contest this. It wasn't the Registrar's report, and the HTML wasn't the problem. NoV: Yally violated R2143, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed, by publishing the IADoP report in some nonsense MIME junk (which is not plain text). Fails, you need 1 support since your first NOV was valid (despite naming the wrong information). BobTHJ
DIS: Re: BUS: NoV and Election
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:40, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I publish an NoV alleging that Rodlen violated Rule 2247 (The Janitor) by failing to perform eir required duties as Janitor for the Agoran week beginning on May 18, 2009. Invalid. You must specify the power of the rule. BobTHJ
DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 13:58 -0400, comex wrote: No rule specifically allows R1551 (Ratification) to make Rule Changes. Rule 106 previously read: A proposal is a document outlining changes to be made to Agora, including enacting, repealing, or amending rules, or making other explicit changes to the gamestate. but now reads: A proposal is a fixed body of text which has been made into a proposal using a process specifically described in the Rules. A proposal SHOULD outline changes to be made to Agora, including enacting, repealing, or amending rules, or making other explicit changes to the gamestate. which arguably no longer grants permission to make Rule Changes. Err, if proposals can't change the rules, and ratification can't change the rules, what can? Does AIAN kick in? -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Err, if proposals can't change the rules, and ratification can't change the rules, what can? Does AIAN kick in? If the new paragraph in R106 no longer grants permission, then I suppose Rule 1698 (Agora Is a Nomic) prevented that amendment to R106 in the first place...
DIS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6302 - 6323
On Tue, 26 May 2009, comex wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal 6306 (Democratic, AI=2.0, Interest=1) by Murphy Patch objections ... The above notwithstanding, if the action depends on objections, and an objection to it has been withdrawn within the past 24 hours, then Agora is not Satisfied with the intent. Note that if the above notwithstanding counts as a claim of precedence, Rule 2240 causes the quoted paragraph to have no effect. I think. IMO it's only a R2240 if whatever is in the above explicitly claims precedence over this clause, therefore creating warring circular claims. Otherwise it's pretty natural to read the whole rule as A unless B without inferring a contradiction. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
comex wrote: On May 25, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause Human Point Two to register. What Rule says you can act on behalf of HP2 to register emself with Agoran consent? If I am a party by then, then I can act on behalf of HP2 as its parties are generally able to do.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Cookie Jar awards
ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 17:24 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: I revoke all x-points listed above. I suspect this fails; surely the Cookie Jar's revocation limit isn't that high? Given that the Cookie Jar is churning out such an insanely large number of points, this may have quite a distorting effect on the current scores. The limit rule was recently amended to avoid counting errors and their fixes against the limit.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480 remanded to Taral by Wooble (AFFIRM), Rodlen (AFFIRM but NttPF), Tiger
Alex Smith wrote: We really really need legislation in the area of act-on-behalf... Proto-proto: A claim to act on behalf of another person constitutes a self-ratifying claim that it is authorized by contract.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: On May 25, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause Human Point Two to register. What Rule says you can act on behalf of HP2 to register emself with Agoran consent? If I am a party by then, then I can act on behalf of HP2 as its parties are generally able to do. HP2 cannot register by announcement (only with Agoran Consent), and you cannot act on behalf of em with Agoran Consent (only by announcement). ITYM I cause Human Point Two to intend, with Agoran consent, to register.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs
ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 13:58 -0400, comex wrote: No rule specifically allows R1551 (Ratification) to make Rule Changes. Rule 106 previously read: A proposal is a document outlining changes to be made to Agora, including enacting, repealing, or amending rules, or making other explicit changes to the gamestate. but now reads: A proposal is a fixed body of text which has been made into a proposal using a process specifically described in the Rules. A proposal SHOULD outline changes to be made to Agora, including enacting, repealing, or amending rules, or making other explicit changes to the gamestate. which arguably no longer grants permission to make Rule Changes. Err, if proposals can't change the rules, and ratification can't change the rules, what can? Does AIAN kick in? Rule 106 later says the proposal ... takes effect.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Err, if proposals can't change the rules, and ratification can't change the rules, what can? Does AIAN kick in? Rule 106 later says the proposal ... takes effect. But does that count as permission to make Rule Changes?
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480 remanded to Taral by Wooble (AFFIRM), Rodlen (AFFIRM but NttPF), Tiger
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Alex Smith wrote: We really really need legislation in the area of act-on-behalf... Proto-proto: A claim to act on behalf of another person constitutes a self-ratifying claim that it is authorized by contract. I'm not sure ais523 didn't publish those NoVs. Contracts are not omnipotent-- they can only go so far in determining whether a person agrees for another to act on behalf of em. In this case ais523 clearly intended that Murphy could act on behalf of em, even though the contract didn't allow it due to a technicality.
DIS: Re: BUS: Degree resolution
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 12:39 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: I haven't been paying attention to Agora at all lately. If I'm still Scorekeepor or Herald, I resign those offices. I deregister. I become the holder of the office of Herald. (By R2019.) Erm, except Herald isn't vacant. I was made Herald yesterday I believe. -G.
DIS: Re: BUS: Degree resolution
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 12:39 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: I haven't been paying attention to Agora at all lately. If I'm still Scorekeepor or Herald, I resign those offices. I deregister. I become the holder of the office of Herald. (By R2019.) I resolve the Agoran Decision to select a degree for my thesis: The options were A.N., B.N., M.N., D.N.Hist., D.N.Sci., D.N.Phil., and FAILING GRADE. The valid ballots were as follows: A.N. B.N. M.N. D.N.Hist. D.N.Sci. D.N.Phil. FAILING GRADE coppro: 510 BobTHJ: 12 G.:3 OscarMeyr: 6 Murphy:20 Tiger: 9(endorsed Murphy * 9) Wooble: 3(endorsed Murphy * 3) Quazie: 3(endorsed Murphy * 3) Pavitra: 14 1 ais523: 6 Taral: 15 == Total 16 7111 There's an interesting platonic hiccup at this point. Rules 208 and 693 both specify that there is a rule stating a method to determine which option Agora selected. However, I've looked over the ruleset and can't find a rule that obviously does (the likely candidates are 955 and 1367, and neither does). Therefore, I conclude that the rule in question is 217, and common sense implies that the option with the most votes is the one selected. The decision selected via Agora is therefore M.N.. (Rule 955 /does/ indicate that the decision needs to meet quorum; but there are 27 people with a positive voting limit on the decision by my quick and possible accurate count (including the non-player root), and 11 people voted, so even if my count is slightly inaccurate, the decision still met quorum.) I award the Patent Title of Master of Nomic to ais523. I create an Indigo Ribbon in my own possession. I resign the office of Herald. -- ais523 who, for a brief period of time, was the Herald This fails. The office of Herald is currently held by G.
DIS: Re: BUS: An IADoP CFJ
2009/5/26 Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com: I CFJ on the following sentence. The IADoP's report includes the date eir previous report was submitted, not the date eir current report is being submitted. Evidence: Rule 2138 The IADoP's report includes the following: d) The date when that office's reports were last published. Arguments: This essentially boils down to the timing of events. If the IADoP's report is considered to have been submitted prior to the data contained within, then the judgment should be FALSE. If the IADoP's report is considered to have been submitted after the data contained within, then the judgment should be TRUE. If they are considered to be submitted simultaenously, then the judgment should be UNDECIDABLE. One way of writing it that I recall has been used is Last submitted: as of this message. -- -Tiger
DIS: Re: BUS: An IADoP CFJ
Yally wrote: I CFJ on the following sentence. The IADoP's report includes the date eir previous report was submitted, not the date eir current report is being submitted. Evidence: Rule 2138 The IADoP's report includes the following: d) The date when that office's reports were last published. Arguments: This essentially boils down to the timing of events. If the IADoP's report is considered to have been submitted prior to the data contained within, then the judgment should be FALSE. If the IADoP's report is considered to have been submitted after the data contained within, then the judgment should be TRUE. If they are considered to be submitted simultaenously, then the judgment should be UNDECIDABLE. Gratuitous: When I was IADoP a few years back, my list of dates-last-published routinely listed (as of this message) for the IADoP itself.
DIS: Duties not on time
I friendly remind the Rulekeepor that the SLR has not been published for more than 14 days. -- -Tiger
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 20:40 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: Actually, no. These NoVs were not valid, as they did not specify the rule's power. NoV: Yally violated R2143, a Power-1 rule, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed, by publishing the IADoP report in some nonsense MIME junk (which is not plain text). They don't need to for a crime; R2230(d). -- ais523
Re: DIS: Duties not on time
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.comwrote: I friendly remind the Rulekeepor that the SLR has not been published for more than 14 days. -- -Tiger It was last submitted 21 May 09.
Re: DIS: Duties not on time
2009/5/26 Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I friendly remind the Rulekeepor that the SLR has not been published for more than 14 days. It was last submitted 21 May 09. Oh. Sorry about that then. That one was still late though. -- -Tiger
Re: DIS: Duties not on time
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 21:51 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/5/26 Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I friendly remind the Rulekeepor that the SLR has not been published for more than 14 days. It was last submitted 21 May 09. Oh. Sorry about that then. That one was still late though. Maybe your spam filter has decided to start blocking the SLR? -- ais523
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Registrar Election
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On 5/21/09 9:03 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I initiate an Agoran decision to decide the holder of the Registrar office. The eligible voters are the active players, the vote collector is the IADoP, and the options are Wooble, Yally, and PRESENT. I vote conditionally, endorsing the candidate who loses the election. -- C-walker, who clearly intends this message to be public. I don't think this will work as the candidate who loses the election won't be known until the votes are tallied. You could instead vote for the candidate with the least votes.
Re: DIS: Duties not on time
2009/5/26 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 21:51 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/5/26 Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I friendly remind the Rulekeepor that the SLR has not been published for more than 14 days. It was last submitted 21 May 09. Oh. Sorry about that then. That one was still late though. Maybe your spam filter has decided to start blocking the SLR? Could be. Next time I'll check the archives thoroughly before complaining. -- -Tiger
Re: DIS: Duties not on time
Oh... I didn't notice. Something must be wrong with the cronjob, which I'll fix ASAP. The online ruleset is up to date. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I friendly remind the Rulekeepor that the SLR has not been published for more than 14 days. -- -Tiger
Re: DIS: Duties not on time
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/5/26 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 21:51 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/5/26 Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I friendly remind the Rulekeepor that the SLR has not been published for more than 14 days. It was last submitted 21 May 09. Oh. Sorry about that then. That one was still late though. Maybe your spam filter has decided to start blocking the SLR? Could be. Next time I'll check the archives thoroughly before complaining. -- -Tiger Or just check the official IADoP's report which lists the date the SLR was last submitted.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
2009/5/26 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 20:40 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: Actually, no. These NoVs were not valid, as they did not specify the rule's power. NoV: Yally violated R2143, a Power-1 rule, commiting the Class-6 Crime of Making My Eyes Bleed, by publishing the IADoP report in some nonsense MIME junk (which is not plain text). They don't need to for a crime; R2230(d). -- ais523 Oh. Then my support request still stands.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
2009/5/26 comex com...@gmail.com: I support. I want a precedent in favor of dual-format messages for previously stated reasons. (Considering that the text/plain was first, is there any mail client where this is an actual problem? Why don't you like it ehird?) My eyes bled because he chose a small-sized Courier, which makes his report all but unreadable.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 comex com...@gmail.com: I support. I want a precedent in favor of dual-format messages for previously stated reasons. (Considering that the text/plain was first, is there any mail client where this is an actual problem? Why don't you like it ehird?) My eyes bled because he chose a small-sized Courier, which makes his report all but unreadable. The HTML message does not specify a font size. Gratuitous arguments: The body of the message is as follows: --001e680f0fe097d80c046ad26029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IADoP's Office Report Date of last report: Tue, 19 May 09 Date of this report: Tue, 26 May 09 (All times are UTC) ... the rest of the report follows. Only after the plain-text version (and 3 lines of multipart header at the top) is the HTML version. Rule 2143 requires that reports be published in plain text, not *only* in plain text.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
2009/5/26 comex com...@gmail.com: the rest of the report follows. Only after the plain-text version (and 3 lines of multipart header at the top) is the HTML version. Rule 2143 requires that reports be published in plain text, not *only* in plain text. MIME != plain text
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6302 - 6323
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 comex com...@gmail.com: the rest of the report follows. Only after the plain-text version (and 3 lines of multipart header at the top) is the HTML version. Rule 2143 requires that reports be published in plain text, not *only* in plain text. MIME != plain text The report can be parsed as plain text without any problem unless 3 whole lines is too much to skip.
DIS: Re: BUS: Comex Is Trying To Stop This Happening
2009/5/26 comex com...@gmail.com: I pledge not to make any agreements with ehird in the future. You can't join any contracts I'm party to now. Cool.
DIS: Re: BUS: Comex Is Trying To Stop This Happening
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 comex com...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I deregister Bayes. I pledge not to make any agreements with ehird in the future. I leave/cease to be a party to Bayes. You can't.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Comex Is Trying To Stop This Happening
2009/5/26 comex com...@gmail.com: You can't. kay
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2479 assigned to OscarMeyr
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 15:39, Benjamin Schultz ke...@verizon.net wrote: Trivially GUILTY / SILENCE. FYI, you're obligated to destroy 1 rest in root's possession due to the associated NoV. BobTHJ
DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 18:14 -0400, Quazie wrote: On behalf of hp2: Hp2 intends to register with agoran consent. I consent. I ask nicely that you let it. Its been around for a while, its not doing any harm. Murphy is now a member. Also, what does the membership of bayes look like? Just ehird and comex. -- ais523
DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
2009/5/27 Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Benjamin Schultz ke...@verizon.net wrote: On May 25, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: I request the consent of OscarMeyr and Quazie to become party to Human Point Two. I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause Human Point Two to register. I consent to Murphy joining HP2. I support reregistering HP2. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr On behalf of hp2: Hp2 intends to register with agoran consent. I support. -- -Tiger
DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
2009/5/26 Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com: I ask nicely that you let it. Its been around for a while, its not doing any harm. Acting as a simple shill partnership is harm.
DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving
Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: Tue 12 May 17:59 Wooble Wins by High Score. All scores are reset. Not to 0, therefore the report is probably entirely incorrect.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving
2009/5/27 Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com: Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: Tue 12 May 17:59 Wooble Wins by High Score. All scores are reset. Not to 0, therefore the report is probably entirely incorrect. No, they are reset to floor(S*P/10) or whatever. It's in the cart at the bottom headed by For reference. -- -Tiger
DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving
2009/5/27 Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com: -Tiger, who also did away with the Geo. Mean since e didn't know what it meant. Oh please... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_mean
DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Tue 12 May 17:59 Wooble Wins by High Score. All scores are reset. The reset doesn't happen until a week after the win, to give a chance to declare a skunk.
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL (AI = 2, II = 1): I intend, with 3 support, to make the quoted proposal distributable. I support. -G. Proposal: 3 support is boring Amend Rule 1607 (The Promotor) by replacing: A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable with 3 Support, or by spending 1 Note. with: A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable by spending 1 Note. I spend a G# note to make this Distributable. I flip my key to G. Agora will slow down hard in this case.
DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL
coppro wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL (AI = 2, II = 1): In Rule 2154 (Election Procedure), after the sentence reading: Any player CAN, with Support, initiate an election for a specified elected office for which no election is already in progress. add the following sentence: The IADoP CAN, by announcement, initiate an election for a specifed elected office for which no election is already in progress. [This alleviates the issue where in some cases the IADoP is required to initiate an election but cannot unless e recevies support.] End Proposal -Yally I intend, with 3 support, to make the quoted proposal distributable. Any player CAN, with support (or by announcement if e is the IADoP and is REQUIRED to do so), initiate etc..
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 18:14 -0400, Quazie wrote: On behalf of hp2: Hp2 intends to register with agoran consent. I consent. NttPF. (If you've already TTttPF'ed, then ignore this; I'm just filing the relevant messages during the four-day waiting period.)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Conversion
Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/5/27 Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Benjamin Schultz ke...@verizon.net wrote: On May 25, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: I request the consent of OscarMeyr and Quazie to become party to Human Point Two. I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause Human Point Two to register. I consent to Murphy joining HP2. I support reregistering HP2. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr On behalf of hp2: Hp2 intends to register with agoran consent. I support. Also NttPF
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving
ehird wrote: 2009/5/27 Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com: -Tiger, who also did away with the Geo. Mean since e didn't know what it meant. Oh please... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_mean Would someone please explain Min. to Win? I'm sure I could work it out, but I have enough other things on my plate as it is.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving
2009/5/27 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: Would someone please explain Min. to Win? I'm sure I could work it out, but I have enough other things on my plate as it is. Minimum points to win?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL
Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL (AI = 2, II = 1): In Rule 2154 (Election Procedure), after the sentence reading: Any player CAN, with Support, initiate an election for a specified elected office for which no election is already in progress. add the following sentence: The IADoP CAN, by announcement, initiate an election for a specifed elected office for which no election is already in progress. [This alleviates the issue where in some cases the IADoP is required to initiate an election but cannot unless e recevies support.] End Proposal -Yally I intend, with 3 support, to make the quoted proposal distributable. Any player CAN, with support (or by announcement if e is the IADoP and is REQUIRED to do so), initiate etc.. I prefer giving officers perks related to their job. I think letting the IADoP bypass the 1 support rule is a neat bonus for the IADoP and I think other offices should have similar bonuses.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving
ehird wrote: 2009/5/27 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: Would someone please explain Min. to Win? Â I'm sure I could work it out, but I have enough other things on my plate as it is. Minimum points to win? PROTIP: Begin by assuming I am not a complete idiot. Has this been evaluated as minimum(dx,dy), where dx is the minimum x-point gain that would cause the player to win even if e gained no y-points, and vice versa for dy? If so, then add a boilerplate footnote to that effect.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL
coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL (AI = 2, II = 1): In Rule 2154 (Election Procedure), after the sentence reading: Any player CAN, with Support, initiate an election for a specified elected office for which no election is already in progress. add the following sentence: The IADoP CAN, by announcement, initiate an election for a specifed elected office for which no election is already in progress. [This alleviates the issue where in some cases the IADoP is required to initiate an election but cannot unless e recevies support.] End Proposal -Yally I intend, with 3 support, to make the quoted proposal distributable. Any player CAN, with support (or by announcement if e is the IADoP and is REQUIRED to do so), initiate etc.. I prefer giving officers perks related to their job. I think letting the IADoP bypass the 1 support rule is a neat bonus for the IADoP and I think other offices should have similar bonuses. Any player CAN, with support (or by announcement if e is the IADoP)
DIS: Re: BUS: [DM] (i)nventory
5) Scroll of Polymorph - Frequency 0.05 When a Scroll of Shuffling is read, the Dungeon Master SHALL act on the reader's behalf to destroy a random number of Scrolls e owns, then create an equal number of Scrolls in that player's possession. Should the text say Scroll of Polymorph? - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr, who's trying to figure out which scroll to read first.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DM] (i)nventory
Benjamin Schultz wrote: 5) Scroll of Polymorph - Frequency 0.05 When a Scroll of Shuffling is read, the Dungeon Master SHALL act on the reader's behalf to destroy a random number of Scrolls e owns, then create an equal number of Scrolls in that player's possession. Should the text say Scroll of Polymorph? - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr, who's trying to figure out which scroll to read first. Yes, however, that's an obvious bug and, due to this contract being Equitable, isn't an issue.
