Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)
It definitely shouldn't permit outsourcing. I would not want to allow a contract that allows for someone to deregister a player, or to start a festival. However, the protection of official actions has probably outlived its usefulness. Proto (also fixes an unrelated typo): Title: Contract Flexibility Act Adoption index: 2.6 Author: Aris Co-author(s): V.J. Rada Amend Rule 2525, Interpreting Contracts, by: Removing item 6 of the numbered list and renumbering appropriately; and Changing the phrase "failing protected action" to read "failing to preform a protected action". -Aris On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 7:28 PM, VJ Radawrote: > However, I did note and comment against that clause when voting on > Contracts, yes. If necessary, we should trim protected actions. > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:28 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> ...Yes, that was the CFJ I was thinking of haha. Relevant text is >> "Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a contract CANNOT compel, >> forbid, or in any significant way alter, tamper with, or modify the >> performance of a protected action", which I believe is rather >> ambiguous and should be read narrowly to prevent serious tampering or >> modification rather than simple outsourcing. >> >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Aris Merchant >> wrote: >>> Won't work, due to my excessive paranoia. See the list of protected >>> actions, item 6. >>> >>> -Aris >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 7:21 PM, VJ Rada wrote: I become a party to the below contract (I may have a CFJ regarding it at some point, because it's me, of course). On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Josh T wrote: > Since I'll be busy and apparently was remiss in doing things in the > upstanding Agoran fashion, on suggestion I am going to make the following > contract, titled "Reporting Agency", and paying the shiny to do so: > {{{ > The player 天火狐 is the proprietor of the Reporting Agency. This contract > recognizes one of it's non-proprietors as its Agent. If no party is > currently recognized the Agent, this contract immediately selects the > first > party eligible based on the order in which they became a party to this > contract. > > 天火狐 and VJ Rada can become a party to this contract by announcement. Any > person can become a party to this contract by announcement starting Nov. > 15, 2017. A party who is not the proprietor may cease to be a party to > this > contract by announcement. > > The proprietor can make amendments to this contract by announcement with > 48 > hours notice. The proprietor can remove a party from this contract by > announcement. A party to this contract can make an announcement to to > attempt to remove the Agent; if two other parties to this contract > announce > support for the attempt, the Agent is removed from the contract. > > If the Agent wishes to resign (i.e. no longer wishes to be the Agent), > they > must no longer be a party to this contract. When making the announcement > to > do so, they may optionally select a non-proprietor party. If they choose > to > do so, that party becomes the next Agent instead. > > The Agent of this contract, while the proprietor is the Reportor, is > empowered to publish Reportor reports on eir behalf, The Agent is also > allowed to collect any and all rewards related to the report that the > Agent > is publishing on behalf of the proprietor, and if necessary, effect the > transfer of that reward to the Agent (by announcement, using this contract > as a proxy if necessary). In addition, if this contract does not possess a > Shiny but the proprietor does, and if the Notary has announced intent to > destroy this contract due to non-payment of its upkeep, the Agent can, by > announcement, cause the proprietor to transfer one of eir shinies to this > contract. > }}} > > I become a party to the contract "Reporting Agency". > > I transfer 1 Shiny to the contract "Reporting Agency" > > 天火狐 -- From V.J. Rada >> >> >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)
I need to keep an eye out for the Occult Hand anyway so I will be checking my email so this is hopefully functionally equivalent. I did write everything in half an hour, so... 天火狐 On 12 November 2017 at 22:36, Josh Twrote: > This text may also be worthy of a CFJ. > > I give 48 hours notice to amend the last paragraph of "Reporting Agency" > to read in its entirety as follows: > {{{ > The Agent of this contract, while the proprietor is the Reportor, may > announce that they are "acting as the Agent of the Reportor" and publish a > document. If they do so, the proprietor SHALL endorse the document in such > a way that it counts as the official Reportor report (up to and including > reposting the report) for the time period and collect any currency rewards > for the report, which they SHALL give the Agent. The proprietor shall > also treat any direct communication which would, if posted to a public > forum, amount to the aforementioned action as the action in question. In > addition, if this contract does not possess a Shiny but the proprietor > does, and if the Notary has announced intent to destroy this contract due > to non-payment of its upkeep, the Agent can, by announcement, cause the > proprietor to transfer one of eir shinies to this contract. If the > proprietor fails to do so, e is responsible of reimbursing the Agent the > shiny value of the rewards lost. > }}} > > 天火狐 > > > > > On 12 November 2017 at 22:24, Aris Merchant gmail.com> wrote: > >> Won't work, due to my excessive paranoia. See the list of protected >> actions, item 6. >> >> -Aris >> >> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 7:21 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> > I become a party to the below contract >> > (I may have a CFJ regarding it at some point, because it's me, of >> course). >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Josh T >> wrote: >> >> Since I'll be busy and apparently was remiss in doing things in the >> >> upstanding Agoran fashion, on suggestion I am going to make the >> following >> >> contract, titled "Reporting Agency", and paying the shiny to do so: >> >> {{{ >> >> The player 天火狐 is the proprietor of the Reporting Agency. This contract >> >> recognizes one of it's non-proprietors as its Agent. If no party is >> >> currently recognized the Agent, this contract immediately selects the >> first >> >> party eligible based on the order in which they became a party to this >> >> contract. >> >> >> >> 天火狐 and VJ Rada can become a party to this contract by announcement. >> Any >> >> person can become a party to this contract by announcement starting >> Nov. >> >> 15, 2017. A party who is not the proprietor may cease to be a party to >> this >> >> contract by announcement. >> >> >> >> The proprietor can make amendments to this contract by announcement >> with 48 >> >> hours notice. The proprietor can remove a party from this contract by >> >> announcement. A party to this contract can make an announcement to to >> >> attempt to remove the Agent; if two other parties to this contract >> announce >> >> support for the attempt, the Agent is removed from the contract. >> >> >> >> If the Agent wishes to resign (i.e. no longer wishes to be the Agent), >> they >> >> must no longer be a party to this contract. When making the >> announcement to >> >> do so, they may optionally select a non-proprietor party. If they >> choose to >> >> do so, that party becomes the next Agent instead. >> >> >> >> The Agent of this contract, while the proprietor is the Reportor, is >> >> empowered to publish Reportor reports on eir behalf, The Agent is also >> >> allowed to collect any and all rewards related to the report that the >> Agent >> >> is publishing on behalf of the proprietor, and if necessary, effect the >> >> transfer of that reward to the Agent (by announcement, using this >> contract >> >> as a proxy if necessary). In addition, if this contract does not >> possess a >> >> Shiny but the proprietor does, and if the Notary has announced intent >> to >> >> destroy this contract due to non-payment of its upkeep, the Agent can, >> by >> >> announcement, cause the proprietor to transfer one of eir shinies to >> this >> >> contract. >> >> }}} >> >> >> >> I become a party to the contract "Reporting Agency". >> >> >> >> I transfer 1 Shiny to the contract "Reporting Agency" >> >> >> >> 天火狐 >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > From V.J. Rada >> > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)
However, I did note and comment against that clause when voting on Contracts, yes. If necessary, we should trim protected actions. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:28 PM, VJ Radawrote: > ...Yes, that was the CFJ I was thinking of haha. Relevant text is > "Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a contract CANNOT compel, > forbid, or in any significant way alter, tamper with, or modify the > performance of a protected action", which I believe is rather > ambiguous and should be read narrowly to prevent serious tampering or > modification rather than simple outsourcing. > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: >> Won't work, due to my excessive paranoia. See the list of protected >> actions, item 6. >> >> -Aris >> >> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 7:21 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >>> I become a party to the below contract >>> (I may have a CFJ regarding it at some point, because it's me, of course). >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Josh T wrote: Since I'll be busy and apparently was remiss in doing things in the upstanding Agoran fashion, on suggestion I am going to make the following contract, titled "Reporting Agency", and paying the shiny to do so: {{{ The player 天火狐 is the proprietor of the Reporting Agency. This contract recognizes one of it's non-proprietors as its Agent. If no party is currently recognized the Agent, this contract immediately selects the first party eligible based on the order in which they became a party to this contract. 天火狐 and VJ Rada can become a party to this contract by announcement. Any person can become a party to this contract by announcement starting Nov. 15, 2017. A party who is not the proprietor may cease to be a party to this contract by announcement. The proprietor can make amendments to this contract by announcement with 48 hours notice. The proprietor can remove a party from this contract by announcement. A party to this contract can make an announcement to to attempt to remove the Agent; if two other parties to this contract announce support for the attempt, the Agent is removed from the contract. If the Agent wishes to resign (i.e. no longer wishes to be the Agent), they must no longer be a party to this contract. When making the announcement to do so, they may optionally select a non-proprietor party. If they choose to do so, that party becomes the next Agent instead. The Agent of this contract, while the proprietor is the Reportor, is empowered to publish Reportor reports on eir behalf, The Agent is also allowed to collect any and all rewards related to the report that the Agent is publishing on behalf of the proprietor, and if necessary, effect the transfer of that reward to the Agent (by announcement, using this contract as a proxy if necessary). In addition, if this contract does not possess a Shiny but the proprietor does, and if the Notary has announced intent to destroy this contract due to non-payment of its upkeep, the Agent can, by announcement, cause the proprietor to transfer one of eir shinies to this contract. }}} I become a party to the contract "Reporting Agency". I transfer 1 Shiny to the contract "Reporting Agency" 天火狐 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From V.J. Rada > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)
...Yes, that was the CFJ I was thinking of haha. Relevant text is "Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a contract CANNOT compel, forbid, or in any significant way alter, tamper with, or modify the performance of a protected action", which I believe is rather ambiguous and should be read narrowly to prevent serious tampering or modification rather than simple outsourcing. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Aris Merchantwrote: > Won't work, due to my excessive paranoia. See the list of protected > actions, item 6. > > -Aris > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 7:21 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> I become a party to the below contract >> (I may have a CFJ regarding it at some point, because it's me, of course). >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Josh T wrote: >>> Since I'll be busy and apparently was remiss in doing things in the >>> upstanding Agoran fashion, on suggestion I am going to make the following >>> contract, titled "Reporting Agency", and paying the shiny to do so: >>> {{{ >>> The player 天火狐 is the proprietor of the Reporting Agency. This contract >>> recognizes one of it's non-proprietors as its Agent. If no party is >>> currently recognized the Agent, this contract immediately selects the first >>> party eligible based on the order in which they became a party to this >>> contract. >>> >>> 天火狐 and VJ Rada can become a party to this contract by announcement. Any >>> person can become a party to this contract by announcement starting Nov. >>> 15, 2017. A party who is not the proprietor may cease to be a party to this >>> contract by announcement. >>> >>> The proprietor can make amendments to this contract by announcement with 48 >>> hours notice. The proprietor can remove a party from this contract by >>> announcement. A party to this contract can make an announcement to to >>> attempt to remove the Agent; if two other parties to this contract announce >>> support for the attempt, the Agent is removed from the contract. >>> >>> If the Agent wishes to resign (i.e. no longer wishes to be the Agent), they >>> must no longer be a party to this contract. When making the announcement to >>> do so, they may optionally select a non-proprietor party. If they choose to >>> do so, that party becomes the next Agent instead. >>> >>> The Agent of this contract, while the proprietor is the Reportor, is >>> empowered to publish Reportor reports on eir behalf, The Agent is also >>> allowed to collect any and all rewards related to the report that the Agent >>> is publishing on behalf of the proprietor, and if necessary, effect the >>> transfer of that reward to the Agent (by announcement, using this contract >>> as a proxy if necessary). In addition, if this contract does not possess a >>> Shiny but the proprietor does, and if the Notary has announced intent to >>> destroy this contract due to non-payment of its upkeep, the Agent can, by >>> announcement, cause the proprietor to transfer one of eir shinies to this >>> contract. >>> }}} >>> >>> I become a party to the contract "Reporting Agency". >>> >>> I transfer 1 Shiny to the contract "Reporting Agency" >>> >>> 天火狐 >> >> >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)
Won't work, due to my excessive paranoia. See the list of protected actions, item 6. -Aris On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 7:21 PM, VJ Radawrote: > I become a party to the below contract > (I may have a CFJ regarding it at some point, because it's me, of course). > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Josh T wrote: >> Since I'll be busy and apparently was remiss in doing things in the >> upstanding Agoran fashion, on suggestion I am going to make the following >> contract, titled "Reporting Agency", and paying the shiny to do so: >> {{{ >> The player 天火狐 is the proprietor of the Reporting Agency. This contract >> recognizes one of it's non-proprietors as its Agent. If no party is >> currently recognized the Agent, this contract immediately selects the first >> party eligible based on the order in which they became a party to this >> contract. >> >> 天火狐 and VJ Rada can become a party to this contract by announcement. Any >> person can become a party to this contract by announcement starting Nov. >> 15, 2017. A party who is not the proprietor may cease to be a party to this >> contract by announcement. >> >> The proprietor can make amendments to this contract by announcement with 48 >> hours notice. The proprietor can remove a party from this contract by >> announcement. A party to this contract can make an announcement to to >> attempt to remove the Agent; if two other parties to this contract announce >> support for the attempt, the Agent is removed from the contract. >> >> If the Agent wishes to resign (i.e. no longer wishes to be the Agent), they >> must no longer be a party to this contract. When making the announcement to >> do so, they may optionally select a non-proprietor party. If they choose to >> do so, that party becomes the next Agent instead. >> >> The Agent of this contract, while the proprietor is the Reportor, is >> empowered to publish Reportor reports on eir behalf, The Agent is also >> allowed to collect any and all rewards related to the report that the Agent >> is publishing on behalf of the proprietor, and if necessary, effect the >> transfer of that reward to the Agent (by announcement, using this contract >> as a proxy if necessary). In addition, if this contract does not possess a >> Shiny but the proprietor does, and if the Notary has announced intent to >> destroy this contract due to non-payment of its upkeep, the Agent can, by >> announcement, cause the proprietor to transfer one of eir shinies to this >> contract. >> }}} >> >> I become a party to the contract "Reporting Agency". >> >> I transfer 1 Shiny to the contract "Reporting Agency" >> >> 天火狐 > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada
DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)
I become a party to the below contract (I may have a CFJ regarding it at some point, because it's me, of course). On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Josh Twrote: > Since I'll be busy and apparently was remiss in doing things in the > upstanding Agoran fashion, on suggestion I am going to make the following > contract, titled "Reporting Agency", and paying the shiny to do so: > {{{ > The player 天火狐 is the proprietor of the Reporting Agency. This contract > recognizes one of it's non-proprietors as its Agent. If no party is > currently recognized the Agent, this contract immediately selects the first > party eligible based on the order in which they became a party to this > contract. > > 天火狐 and VJ Rada can become a party to this contract by announcement. Any > person can become a party to this contract by announcement starting Nov. > 15, 2017. A party who is not the proprietor may cease to be a party to this > contract by announcement. > > The proprietor can make amendments to this contract by announcement with 48 > hours notice. The proprietor can remove a party from this contract by > announcement. A party to this contract can make an announcement to to > attempt to remove the Agent; if two other parties to this contract announce > support for the attempt, the Agent is removed from the contract. > > If the Agent wishes to resign (i.e. no longer wishes to be the Agent), they > must no longer be a party to this contract. When making the announcement to > do so, they may optionally select a non-proprietor party. If they choose to > do so, that party becomes the next Agent instead. > > The Agent of this contract, while the proprietor is the Reportor, is > empowered to publish Reportor reports on eir behalf, The Agent is also > allowed to collect any and all rewards related to the report that the Agent > is publishing on behalf of the proprietor, and if necessary, effect the > transfer of that reward to the Agent (by announcement, using this contract > as a proxy if necessary). In addition, if this contract does not possess a > Shiny but the proprietor does, and if the Notary has announced intent to > destroy this contract due to non-payment of its upkeep, the Agent can, by > announcement, cause the proprietor to transfer one of eir shinies to this > contract. > }}} > > I become a party to the contract "Reporting Agency". > > I transfer 1 Shiny to the contract "Reporting Agency" > > 天火狐 -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Agora Sky News vol 7
Sure, let me write up something quick. 天火狐 On 12 November 2017 at 21:44, VJ Radawrote: > I'll take the job by designation if you want. > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Josh T > wrote: > > Oh that's a good idea, a contracted replacement. Unfortunately, I don't > see > > myself being less busy in the near future so an election is probably in > > order. Maybe in the new year? That's probably a bit too long given the > pace > > the game is running recently. > > > > 天火狐 > > > > On 12 November 2017 at 12:27, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> A week or two is fine, for anyone. But more than that e should step > down, > >> work out a contracted replacement, or we should just run an election. > >> > >> On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: > >> > I agree. I think e said e was going to be pretty busy for a month or > >> two, but > >> > still. Also, the wrapping is messed up. > >> > > >> > On 11/12/2017 12:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Really we should put a word minimum on the newspaper; there were > more > >> > > activities going on this week and this seems very low-effort to me. > >> > > > >> > > I mean, if you can't even report your own Bard award to be > "significant > >> > > or interesting", that's just very limited. > >> > > > >> > > Do others have feelings on appropriate minimum effort? > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: > >> > > > I claim a reward of 5 shinies for the report. > >> > > > > >> > > > 天火狐 > >> > > > > >> > > > On 12 November 2017 at 11:29, Josh T > >> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > = Agora Sky News > >> > > > > === > >> > > > > > >> == > >> > > > > vol. > >> > > > > 7 == > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Detective Institute Opens Doors > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Aspiring investigators can now help Agoran citizens with solving > >> > > > > mysteries > >> > > > > with > >> > > > > the help of the newly opened Sherlock Holmes Institute. All > >> mysteries, > >> > > > > large and > >> > > > > small, are welcome; if a mystery is brought to the institute and > >> its > >> > > > > top-notch > >> > > > > investigators cannot resolve the case in a reasonable time > frame, > >> you > >> > > > > get > >> > > > > your > >> > > > > money back and then some for the inconvenience. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 天火狐 > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Agora Sky News vol 7
I'll take the job by designation if you want. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Josh Twrote: > Oh that's a good idea, a contracted replacement. Unfortunately, I don't see > myself being less busy in the near future so an election is probably in > order. Maybe in the new year? That's probably a bit too long given the pace > the game is running recently. > > 天火狐 > > On 12 November 2017 at 12:27, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> >> >> A week or two is fine, for anyone. But more than that e should step down, >> work out a contracted replacement, or we should just run an election. >> >> On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: >> > I agree. I think e said e was going to be pretty busy for a month or >> two, but >> > still. Also, the wrapping is messed up. >> > >> > On 11/12/2017 12:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > Really we should put a word minimum on the newspaper; there were more >> > > activities going on this week and this seems very low-effort to me. >> > > >> > > I mean, if you can't even report your own Bard award to be "significant >> > > or interesting", that's just very limited. >> > > >> > > Do others have feelings on appropriate minimum effort? >> > > >> > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: >> > > > I claim a reward of 5 shinies for the report. >> > > > >> > > > 天火狐 >> > > > >> > > > On 12 November 2017 at 11:29, Josh T >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > = Agora Sky News >> > > > > === >> > > > > >> == >> > > > > vol. >> > > > > 7 == >> > > > > >> > > > > Detective Institute Opens Doors >> > > > > >> > > > > Aspiring investigators can now help Agoran citizens with solving >> > > > > mysteries >> > > > > with >> > > > > the help of the newly opened Sherlock Holmes Institute. All >> mysteries, >> > > > > large and >> > > > > small, are welcome; if a mystery is brought to the institute and >> its >> > > > > top-notch >> > > > > investigators cannot resolve the case in a reasonable time frame, >> you >> > > > > get >> > > > > your >> > > > > money back and then some for the inconvenience. >> > > > > >> > > > > 天火狐 >> > > > > >> > >> -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Agora Sky News vol 7
Oh that's a good idea, a contracted replacement. Unfortunately, I don't see myself being less busy in the near future so an election is probably in order. Maybe in the new year? That's probably a bit too long given the pace the game is running recently. 天火狐 On 12 November 2017 at 12:27, Kerim Aydinwrote: > > > A week or two is fine, for anyone. But more than that e should step down, > work out a contracted replacement, or we should just run an election. > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: > > I agree. I think e said e was going to be pretty busy for a month or > two, but > > still. Also, the wrapping is messed up. > > > > On 11/12/2017 12:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > > Really we should put a word minimum on the newspaper; there were more > > > activities going on this week and this seems very low-effort to me. > > > > > > I mean, if you can't even report your own Bard award to be "significant > > > or interesting", that's just very limited. > > > > > > Do others have feelings on appropriate minimum effort? > > > > > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: > > > > I claim a reward of 5 shinies for the report. > > > > > > > > 天火狐 > > > > > > > > On 12 November 2017 at 11:29, Josh T > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = Agora Sky News > > > > > === > > > > > > == > > > > > vol. > > > > > 7 == > > > > > > > > > > Detective Institute Opens Doors > > > > > > > > > > Aspiring investigators can now help Agoran citizens with solving > > > > > mysteries > > > > > with > > > > > the help of the newly opened Sherlock Holmes Institute. All > mysteries, > > > > > large and > > > > > small, are welcome; if a mystery is brought to the institute and > its > > > > > top-notch > > > > > investigators cannot resolve the case in a reasonable time frame, > you > > > > > get > > > > > your > > > > > money back and then some for the inconvenience. > > > > > > > > > > 天火狐 > > > > > > > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sillyness
Indeed. Well, not to worry, since this is the first time I've ever been the Silly Person. On 11/12/2017 6:31 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Someone can't be the silly person if they were already silly in the last two weeks, or if they're not a player. I was being lazy, in a rush, and/or paranoid (probably some combination of those). -Aris On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Reuben Staleywrote: Why would the appointment not work? On 11/12/2017 4:27 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I submit the following proposal as my silly proposal. I appoint Trigon to be next week's silly person. If the appointment of Trigon failed, I appoint ATMunn to be next week's silly person. -Aris --- Title: Sky Pillars AI: 1.0 Author: Aris It's hereby enacted (The name being redacted): If a player should leave the game, they will never be greeted with shame. Instead a pillar of memory will be built in the sky, it will last there forever, it never shall die. Tracked by whomever tracks tracker-less things, let's all watch the bountiful joy it brings to see the names of those gone before and the ways that they left, as they move into lore. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com -- Trigon -- Trigon
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sillyness
Someone can't be the silly person if they were already silly in the last two weeks, or if they're not a player. I was being lazy, in a rush, and/or paranoid (probably some combination of those). -Aris On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Reuben Staleywrote: > Why would the appointment not work? > > On 11/12/2017 4:27 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: >> >> I submit the following proposal as my silly proposal. I appoint Trigon >> to be next week's silly person. If the appointment of Trigon failed, I >> appoint ATMunn to be next week's silly person. >> >> -Aris >> >> --- >> >> Title: Sky Pillars >> AI: 1.0 >> Author: Aris >> >> >> It's hereby enacted >> (The name being redacted): >> >> If a player should leave the game, >> they will never be greeted with shame. >> Instead a pillar of memory will be built in the sky, >> it will last there forever, >> it never shall die. >> Tracked by whomever >> tracks tracker-less things, >> let's all watch the bountiful joy it brings >> to see the names of those gone before >> and the ways that they left, as they move into lore. >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> > > -- > Trigon
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7965-7972
Wasn't that Proposal 7962 last week? -Aris On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 4:44 PM, ATMunnwrote: > CoE: I might be missing something, but I'm pretty sure I submitted the fix > for my Medals of Honour proposal. I don't see that here. > > On 11/12/2017 6:24 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: >> >> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran >> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal >> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the >> quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid >> options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as >> are conditional votes). >> >> ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend >> fee >> >> --- >> 7965* Trigon 3.0 One pronoun fix Trigon 1 AP >> 7966* ATMunn 1.0 But I already live there!o 1 AP >> 7967* V.J. Rada 1.0 Rhyming sux tbh V.J. Rada 1 AP >> 7968* Alexis, [3]2.0 Backed Out the Door Alexis OP >> [1][2] >> 7969* V.J. Rada, [4] 3.0 Obvious fix V.J. Rada 2 sh. >> 7970* V.J. Rada 2.0 Referee Minor FixV.J. Rada 2 sh. >> 7971* V.J. Rada, [4] 3.0 Cleanup Time V.J. Rada 2 sh. >> 7972* G. 2.0 Silly Tweaks G. 1 AP >> >> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: >> >> ID Author(s) AI Title >> >> --- >> pp1 Alexis1.7 A Most Ingenious Paradox >> pp2 ATMunn, [4] 1.0 [5] >> >> >> Legend: * : Proposal is pending. >> >> [1] Official Proposal, inherently pending >> [2] The official status of this proposal is disputed. If it is not >> official, >> it has been pended by Aris for 1 AP >> [3] Telnaior, ais523, Aris, G. >> [4] Alexis >> [5] No title >> >> >> A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value >> in shines (see the Treasuror's report). >> >> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. >> >> // >> ID: 7965 >> Title: One pronoun fix >> Adoption index: 3.0 >> Author: Trigon >> Co-authors: >> >> >> Replace the word "his" in the second paragraph of Rule 2438 ("Ribbons") >> with >> "eir". >> >> // >> ID: 7966 >> Title: But I already live there >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: Trigon >> Co-authors: >> >> >> Amend rule 2474 "Green Cards" by replacing the text "the United States" >> with >> "Brazil". >> >> // >> ID: 7967 >> Title: Rhyming sux tbh >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: V.J. Rada >> Co-authors: >> >> >> Repeal rule 1650, "Silliness" >> Repeal the rule called "Poetry Duel Challenge Writ >> >> // >> ID: 7968 >> Title: Backed Out the Door >> Adoption index: 2.0 >> Author: Alexis >> Co-authors: Telnaior, ais523, Aris, G. >> >> >> Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Political Parties", reading as >> follows: >> >>There are 5 Parties, in order: >> >>- Platonic Isolationists >>- New Punchbowl Reformers >>- Costume Conservatives >>- Substance Use Liberals >>- Official Raving Monster Looney Party >> >>Politicians are entities; each Politician has a name and an >>associated Party. Politicians exist only as specified by the >>rules. Creating, altering, or destroying Politicians is secured. >> >>If there are ever fewer than 20 Politicians, then the Clork CAN >>and SHALL, by announcement, create a new Politician, specifying >>eir Party and name. The Party must be selected at random from: >> >>- If any Party has fewer than 3 Politicans, the Party or Parties >> with the fewest. >>- Otherwise, the Parties with fewer than 5 Politicians. >> >> Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Clork", reading as follows: >> >>The Clork (pronounced "clark") is an office. The Clork's weekly >>report includes: >>- a list of all Politicans with their names and Parties. >>- the assignment of Policies to Parties. >> >>The portion of a document purporting to be a Clork's report >>containing the above information is self-ratifying. >> >> Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Echelon Forms", reading as follows: >> >>A Post is a position which can be held by at most one Politician. >>Each Politican can hold at most one Post at a time. Each Post is >>in an Echelon, which has an associated Rank. The Echelons, and >>their Posts and Ranks, are as follows: >> >>Chamber of Power (Rank 5): >>- Host >>Upper Echelon (Rank 3): >>- Planner >>- Enforcer >>- Organizer >>- Creep >>Row Echelon (Rank
DIS: Re: BUS: Sillyness
Why would the appointment not work? On 11/12/2017 4:27 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I submit the following proposal as my silly proposal. I appoint Trigon to be next week's silly person. If the appointment of Trigon failed, I appoint ATMunn to be next week's silly person. -Aris --- Title: Sky Pillars AI: 1.0 Author: Aris It's hereby enacted (The name being redacted): If a player should leave the game, they will never be greeted with shame. Instead a pillar of memory will be built in the sky, it will last there forever, it never shall die. Tracked by whomever tracks tracker-less things, let's all watch the bountiful joy it brings to see the names of those gone before and the ways that they left, as they move into lore. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com -- Trigon
DIS: Re: BUS: zombie-related CFJ
Gratuitous Argument: Rule 2466 ("Acting on Behalf") is very clear in its function. When acting on behalf of another, the agent is still the one performing the action. It also explicitly disallows acting on behalf to send a message: "in particular, a person CANNOT act on behalf of another person to send a message, only to perform specific actions that might be taken within a message." While the action is considered to have been performed by the principal, the message is not - and Rule 869 ("How to Join and Leave Agora") makes it clear that it is sending the message that makes someone ineligible for inactivity-based deregistration. I do not see room for ambiguity or alternate interpretations here. On 2017-11-13 10:41, Kerim Aydin wrote: I AP-CFJ on: It is POSSIBLE for an Agent to act on behalf of a Principal to send a message to a public forum for the purposes of preventing the Principal's deregistration as per R869. (Arguments to follow, trying to get this in before the end of the week).
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
Better we dig it up now while it can still be fixed reasonably safely. On 2017-11-13 11:32, ATMunn wrote: *looks at this whole conversation* what have I done .-. On 11/12/2017 6:26 PM, Madeline wrote: Alternatively, since 1023 ("Agoran Time") specifies only when Agoran Months start, and makes no claim about how long they last or even that we always be within one, Rule 2529 ("Medals of Honour") could be interpreted to clarify that an Agoran Month only lasts seven days, and the rest of the calendar month we aren't in any Agoran Month at all. I'm a little averse to this one because of how much it could break, but it's an option. >_> On 2017-11-13 10:15, Madeline wrote: My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should be aware of? On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. Arguments: The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunnwrote: I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is a bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
*looks at this whole conversation* what have I done .-. On 11/12/2017 6:26 PM, Madeline wrote: Alternatively, since 1023 ("Agoran Time") specifies only when Agoran Months start, and makes no claim about how long they last or even that we always be within one, Rule 2529 ("Medals of Honour") could be interpreted to clarify that an Agoran Month only lasts seven days, and the rest of the calendar month we aren't in any Agoran Month at all. I'm a little averse to this one because of how much it could break, but it's an option. >_> On 2017-11-13 10:15, Madeline wrote: My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should be aware of? On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. Arguments: The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunnwrote: I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is a bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Medal of Honor Decision initiation
I vividly remember resolving a PM election in favour of K, who deregistered midway through the voting period but still one: and I also remember reading the rules quite carefully to support that conclusion (which nobody disputed). That's the only precedent I can recall. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Kerim Aydinwrote: > > > In general, nothing prevents valid options from changing during the > voting period. > > For example, in the previous version of elections (before we had a > nomination period), the valid options were lists of players. If > someone registered midway through an election, they could become > valid (and likewise if someone deregistered they ceased to be valid). > > At least, I think this is how it worked - can't remember when it was > last tested with a CFJ. > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> No, it doesn't iirc. Valid votes are fixed at the initiation, I'm 90% >> sure (not 100%). >> >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Telnaior wrote: >> > Oh yeah, I was wondering if it'd mean anything but we may as well find out: >> > >> > I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour. >> > >> > Does that make me a valid vote (assuming my judgement falls in a way that >> > makes this declaration possible)? >> > >> > >> > >> > On 2017-11-13 10:45, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Obviously, I vote for G. >> >> >> >> In the interests of fairness, I should point out that's it's >> >> conceivable that others can jump in late (depending on the >> >> pending judgement), and also allowing it to fail quorum is >> >> always an option. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada >> > -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 at 18:56 Madelinewrote: > We have our current ordering for a reason - it's the easiest to read, > which is hard enough to handle sometimes with how the ruleset gets. > > I probably wouldn't want to have it ordered by power all the time (or > even as a regular requirement), but once in a while so we can look for > weirdness probably isn't a bad idea? > > I'll also add: I think that our system of definitions and power right now is broken in a bad way. Rules have been power creeping for a long time, largely as a result of exactly this property. The most boring and trivial definitions are moving up to high powers because they are needed to protect higher-powered rules, and as a result we have discussions like whether the definition of a "month" needs to be made power 3 to work correctly. (It's worth noting that there's also a power-2 -> power-3 escalation that has been sitting in the ruleset since before I joined the game for the first time, and never been used, so this gives an idea of the sort of importance of protecting higher-power rules by lower-power ones). Perhaps we should be less strict, and explicitly permit low-powered rules to introduce clarifying definitions, as long as the higher-powered rule is not subverted in the process. A month must always be a month, to some sensible degree, but whether one month after January 29 in a non-leap year is February 28, or March 1 is up to a precise definition.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7965-7972
"I pledge to transfer 5 shinies to the author of the first proposal that gives the Rulekeepor authority, under Cleanup Time, to additionally correct, at least: missing periods at the end of sentences, inconsistently spelled game terminology, and pronoun use (including inappropriate use of Spivak pronouns in plural contexts)." Just looks like someone has to author one to me. I suppose the word "gives" could mean actually affects the game instead of just the words in the proposal. This isn't CFJ resolvable now, because of how pledges work. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Alexis Huntwrote: > On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 at 18:50 VJ Rada wrote: > >> I vote >> > NttPF > >> >> 7971* V.J. Rada, [4] 3.0 Cleanup Time V.J. Rada 2 sh. >> FOR (Remember your pledge, Alexis) >> > > Absolutely; the pledge is only valid if it passes, however. -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Medal of Honor Decision initiation
In general, nothing prevents valid options from changing during the voting period. For example, in the previous version of elections (before we had a nomination period), the valid options were lists of players. If someone registered midway through an election, they could become valid (and likewise if someone deregistered they ceased to be valid). At least, I think this is how it worked - can't remember when it was last tested with a CFJ. On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > No, it doesn't iirc. Valid votes are fixed at the initiation, I'm 90% > sure (not 100%). > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Telnaiorwrote: > > Oh yeah, I was wondering if it'd mean anything but we may as well find out: > > > > I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour. > > > > Does that make me a valid vote (assuming my judgement falls in a way that > > makes this declaration possible)? > > > > > > > > On 2017-11-13 10:45, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > >>> > >>> Obviously, I vote for G. > >> > >> In the interests of fairness, I should point out that's it's > >> conceivable that others can jump in late (depending on the > >> pending judgement), and also allowing it to fail quorum is > >> always an option. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
On 2017-11-13 10:54, Alexis Hunt wrote: On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 at 18:52 Kerim Aydinwrote: On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: I'd really love to see a ruleset ordered by power, so we can see if it still works at every step down the ladder. The intent I get from the precedent rules are that the power 4 rules should all stand without external support, then all the 4+3.9 rules, then all the 3-4 rules, etc. When I posted the last (ever, sob!) Fearmongor set, I included a power-sorted list of rule titles. Here, a little out-of-date: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-October/036770.html If H. Rulekeepor Alexis doesn't have a way to do it, I can post a copy that includes the rule texts (it auto-generates from a text with current SLR or FLR). When I was rulekeepor I always meant to publish a version that was sorted that way but never got around to it. Ordering by power wouldn't be too difficult. Would people be interested in that in addition to the SLR? Or in place of the current organization? We have our current ordering for a reason - it's the easiest to read, which is hard enough to handle sometimes with how the ruleset gets. I probably wouldn't want to have it ordered by power all the time (or even as a regular requirement), but once in a while so we can look for weirdness probably isn't a bad idea?
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7965-7972
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 at 18:50 VJ Radawrote: > I vote > NttPF > > 7971* V.J. Rada, [4] 3.0 Cleanup Time V.J. Rada 2 sh. > FOR (Remember your pledge, Alexis) > Absolutely; the pledge is only valid if it passes, however.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 at 18:52 Kerim Aydinwrote: > On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: > > I'd really love to see a ruleset ordered by power, so we can see if it > still > > works at every step down the ladder. The intent I get from the precedent > rules > > are that the power 4 rules should all stand without external support, > then all > > the 4+3.9 rules, then all the 3-4 rules, etc. > > When I posted the last (ever, sob!) Fearmongor set, I included a > power-sorted > list of rule titles. Here, a little out-of-date: > > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-October/036770.html > > If H. Rulekeepor Alexis doesn't have a way to do it, I can post a copy that > includes the rule texts (it auto-generates from a text with current SLR or > FLR). When I was rulekeepor I always meant to publish a version that was > sorted that way but never got around to it. > Ordering by power wouldn't be too difficult. Would people be interested in that in addition to the SLR? Or in place of the current organization?
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: > I'd really love to see a ruleset ordered by power, so we can see if it still > works at every step down the ladder. The intent I get from the precedent rules > are that the power 4 rules should all stand without external support, then all > the 4+3.9 rules, then all the 3-4 rules, etc. When I posted the last (ever, sob!) Fearmongor set, I included a power-sorted list of rule titles. Here, a little out-of-date: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-October/036770.html If H. Rulekeepor Alexis doesn't have a way to do it, I can post a copy that includes the rule texts (it auto-generates from a text with current SLR or FLR). When I was rulekeepor I always meant to publish a version that was sorted that way but never got around to it.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Medal of Honor Decision initiation
No, it doesn't iirc. Valid votes are fixed at the initiation, I'm 90% sure (not 100%). On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Telnaiorwrote: > Oh yeah, I was wondering if it'd mean anything but we may as well find out: > > I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour. > > Does that make me a valid vote (assuming my judgement falls in a way that > makes this declaration possible)? > > > > On 2017-11-13 10:45, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >>> >>> Obviously, I vote for G. >> >> In the interests of fairness, I should point out that's it's >> conceivable that others can jump in late (depending on the >> pending judgement), and also allowing it to fail quorum is >> always an option. >> >> >> > -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Medal of Honor Decision initiation
Hasn't the "Medal of Honour" fix passed? I don't want it to fail quorum though, you legitemately got no cards last month et cetera. And nobody else jumped in. You shouldn't be punished for that. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Kerim Aydinwrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> Obviously, I vote for G. > > In the interests of fairness, I should point out that's it's > conceivable that others can jump in late (depending on the > pending judgement), and also allowing it to fail quorum is > always an option. > > > -- >From V.J. Rada
DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7965-7972
I vote ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee --- 7965* Trigon 3.0 One pronoun fix Trigon 1 AP FOR: Obviously nobody could conceivably object to this 7966* ATMunn 1.0 But I already live there!o 1 AP AGAINST: people associate Green Cards with the United States, not Brazil. I'm sure a majority of us are American (although some are not), but this just makes it a strange joke that nobody will get (admittedly, not an alient concept in this game) 7967* V.J. Rada 1.0 Rhyming sux tbh V.J. Rada 1 AP FOR 7968* Alexis, [3]2.0 Backed Out the Door Alexis OP [1][2] FOR (I promised Telnaior I would) 7969* V.J. Rada, [4] 3.0 Obvious fix V.J. Rada 2 sh. FOR 7970* V.J. Rada 2.0 Referee Minor FixV.J. Rada 2 sh. FOR 7971* V.J. Rada, [4] 3.0 Cleanup Time V.J. Rada 2 sh. FOR (Remember your pledge, Alexis) 7972* G. 2.0 Silly Tweaks G. 1 AP FOR (hope it gets repealed) On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Aris Merchantwrote: > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid > options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as > are conditional votes). > > ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee > --- > 7965* Trigon 3.0 One pronoun fix Trigon 1 AP > 7966* ATMunn 1.0 But I already live there!o 1 AP > 7967* V.J. Rada 1.0 Rhyming sux tbh V.J. Rada 1 AP > 7968* Alexis, [3]2.0 Backed Out the Door Alexis OP [1][2] > 7969* V.J. Rada, [4] 3.0 Obvious fix V.J. Rada 2 sh. > 7970* V.J. Rada 2.0 Referee Minor FixV.J. Rada 2 sh. > 7971* V.J. Rada, [4] 3.0 Cleanup Time V.J. Rada 2 sh. > 7972* G. 2.0 Silly Tweaks G. 1 AP > > The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: > > ID Author(s) AI Title > --- > pp1 Alexis1.7 A Most Ingenious Paradox > pp2 ATMunn, [4] 1.0 [5] > > > Legend: * : Proposal is pending. > > [1] Official Proposal, inherently pending > [2] The official status of this proposal is disputed. If it is not official, > it has been pended by Aris for 1 AP > [3] Telnaior, ais523, Aris, G. > [4] Alexis > [5] No title > > > A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value > in shines (see the Treasuror's report). > > The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. > > // > ID: 7965 > Title: One pronoun fix > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Trigon > Co-authors: > > > Replace the word "his" in the second paragraph of Rule 2438 ("Ribbons") with > "eir". > > // > ID: 7966 > Title: But I already live there > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: Trigon > Co-authors: > > > Amend rule 2474 "Green Cards" by replacing the text "the United States" with > "Brazil". > > // > ID: 7967 > Title: Rhyming sux tbh > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: V.J. Rada > Co-authors: > > > Repeal rule 1650, "Silliness" > Repeal the rule called "Poetry Duel Challenge Writ > > // > ID: 7968 > Title: Backed Out the Door > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: Alexis > Co-authors: Telnaior, ais523, Aris, G. > > > Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Political Parties", reading as > follows: > > There are 5 Parties, in order: > > - Platonic Isolationists > - New Punchbowl Reformers > - Costume Conservatives > - Substance Use Liberals > - Official Raving Monster Looney Party > > Politicians are entities; each Politician has a name and an > associated Party. Politicians exist only as specified by the > rules. Creating, altering, or destroying Politicians is secured. > > If there are ever fewer than 20 Politicians, then the Clork CAN > and SHALL, by announcement, create a new Politician, specifying > eir Party and name. The Party must be selected at random from: > > - If any Party has fewer than 3 Politicans, the Party or Parties > with the fewest. > - Otherwise, the Parties with fewer than 5 Politicians. > > Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Clork", reading as follows: > > The Clork (pronounced
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
I'd really love to see a ruleset ordered by power, so we can see if it still works at every step down the ladder. The intent I get from the precedent rules are that the power 4 rules should all stand without external support, then all the 4+3.9 rules, then all the 3-4 rules, etc. On 2017-11-13 10:37, VJ Rada wrote: I think we should be more cognizant of that particular clause in 217: looking @ u "a 3.9 power proposal overrides all time, despite weeks existing at power 4". On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:35 AM, VJ Radawrote: This is definitely not true because we know that common meaning in higher powered rules actually overrides explicit definitions in lower powered rules (yes, this is weird, but it is true under 217 "Definitions in lower-powered Rules do not overrule common-sense interpretations or common definitions of terms in higher-powered rules."). The common definition of a month is 30 days. Obviously. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Madeline wrote: Alternatively, since 1023 ("Agoran Time") specifies only when Agoran Months start, and makes no claim about how long they last or even that we always be within one, Rule 2529 ("Medals of Honour") could be interpreted to clarify that an Agoran Month only lasts seven days, and the rest of the calendar month we aren't in any Agoran Month at all. I'm a little averse to this one because of how much it could break, but it's an option. >_> On 2017-11-13 10:15, Madeline wrote: My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should be aware of? On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. Arguments: The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunn wrote: I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is a bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour. -- From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > Also means that any use of Agoran time over power 2 is uh... maybe not > entirely valid. Agoran epochs should maybe be power 3.9 or something. > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:37 AM, VJ Radawrote: > > I think we should be more cognizant of that particular clause in 217: > > looking @ u "a 3.9 power proposal overrides all time, despite weeks > > existing at power 4". Well, a major result of the "destroy the universe" CFJ was that we might want to make the passage of time something we protect up there at high levels...
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
I mean I'd hope it's not always exactly 30 days, but that's good to note as well. Definitely leaning more towards my initial assessment again now, that declaring oneself eligible is simply possible any time (but not particularly helpful if it's after the herald initiates the decision). On 2017-11-13 10:35, VJ Rada wrote: This is definitely not true because we know that common meaning in higher powered rules actually overrides explicit definitions in lower powered rules (yes, this is weird, but it is true under 217 "Definitions in lower-powered Rules do not overrule common-sense interpretations or common definitions of terms in higher-powered rules."). The common definition of a month is 30 days. Obviously. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Madelinewrote: Alternatively, since 1023 ("Agoran Time") specifies only when Agoran Months start, and makes no claim about how long they last or even that we always be within one, Rule 2529 ("Medals of Honour") could be interpreted to clarify that an Agoran Month only lasts seven days, and the rest of the calendar month we aren't in any Agoran Month at all. I'm a little averse to this one because of how much it could break, but it's an option. >_> On 2017-11-13 10:15, Madeline wrote: My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should be aware of? On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. Arguments: The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunn wrote: I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is a bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
Also means that any use of Agoran time over power 2 is uh... maybe not entirely valid. Agoran epochs should maybe be power 3.9 or something. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:37 AM, VJ Radawrote: > I think we should be more cognizant of that particular clause in 217: > looking @ u "a 3.9 power proposal overrides all time, despite weeks > existing at power 4". > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:35 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >> This is definitely not true because we know that common meaning in >> higher powered rules actually overrides explicit definitions in lower >> powered rules (yes, this is weird, but it is true under 217 >> "Definitions in lower-powered Rules do not overrule common-sense >> interpretations or common definitions of terms in higher-powered >> rules."). The common definition of a month is 30 days. Obviously. >> >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Madeline wrote: >>> Alternatively, since 1023 ("Agoran Time") specifies only when Agoran Months >>> start, and makes no claim about how long they last or even that we always be >>> within one, Rule 2529 ("Medals of Honour") could be interpreted to clarify >>> that an Agoran Month only lasts seven days, and the rest of the calendar >>> month we aren't in any Agoran Month at all. I'm a little averse to this one >>> because of how much it could break, but it's an option. >_> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2017-11-13 10:15, Madeline wrote: My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should be aware of? On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. > > This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. > > > Arguments: > >> The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", >> players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first >> week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? >> >> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunn wrote: >>I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is >> a bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... >> >>On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour. > > > > >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
I think we should be more cognizant of that particular clause in 217: looking @ u "a 3.9 power proposal overrides all time, despite weeks existing at power 4". On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:35 AM, VJ Radawrote: > This is definitely not true because we know that common meaning in > higher powered rules actually overrides explicit definitions in lower > powered rules (yes, this is weird, but it is true under 217 > "Definitions in lower-powered Rules do not overrule common-sense > interpretations or common definitions of terms in higher-powered > rules."). The common definition of a month is 30 days. Obviously. > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Madeline wrote: >> Alternatively, since 1023 ("Agoran Time") specifies only when Agoran Months >> start, and makes no claim about how long they last or even that we always be >> within one, Rule 2529 ("Medals of Honour") could be interpreted to clarify >> that an Agoran Month only lasts seven days, and the rest of the calendar >> month we aren't in any Agoran Month at all. I'm a little averse to this one >> because of how much it could break, but it's an option. >_> >> >> >> >> On 2017-11-13 10:15, Madeline wrote: >>> >>> My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an >>> Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself >>> eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 >>> ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are >>> always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible >>> and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should >>> be aware of? >>> >>> >>> On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > > Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. Arguments: > The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", > players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first > week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunn wrote: >I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is > a bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... > >On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour. >>> >> > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
This is definitely not true because we know that common meaning in higher powered rules actually overrides explicit definitions in lower powered rules (yes, this is weird, but it is true under 217 "Definitions in lower-powered Rules do not overrule common-sense interpretations or common definitions of terms in higher-powered rules."). The common definition of a month is 30 days. Obviously. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Madelinewrote: > Alternatively, since 1023 ("Agoran Time") specifies only when Agoran Months > start, and makes no claim about how long they last or even that we always be > within one, Rule 2529 ("Medals of Honour") could be interpreted to clarify > that an Agoran Month only lasts seven days, and the rest of the calendar > month we aren't in any Agoran Month at all. I'm a little averse to this one > because of how much it could break, but it's an option. >_> > > > > On 2017-11-13 10:15, Madeline wrote: >> >> My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an >> Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself >> eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 >> ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are >> always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible >> and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should >> be aware of? >> >> >> On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. >>> >>> This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. >>> >>> >>> Arguments: >>> The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunn wrote: I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is a bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
Okay, so that'll save us from being doomed to 7-day months at least (it might doom us to 14-day months, but that'd require a particularly circuitous explanation that would probably be in bad faith). On 2017-11-13 10:29, Kerim Aydin wrote: That's just taken care of at least. The only other comment I have is that later in the same rule, it says "the first seven days of the month" and the second 7 days, and so the rule may be self-contradictory, in which case by R2240, the later clause beats the earlier clause (same net result). And interesting argument overall I hadn't thought about that! On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: This is actually pretty urgent to judge because if G. is eligible, that creates an obligation on the Herald that must (and CAN only) be satisfied today or tomorrow. Wheras if e isn't, nobody else is. Otherwise, no comment on the merits. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Madelinewrote: My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should be aware of? On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. Arguments: The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunn wrote: I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is a bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour. -- From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
That's just taken care of at least. The only other comment I have is that later in the same rule, it says "the first seven days of the month" and the second 7 days, and so the rule may be self-contradictory, in which case by R2240, the later clause beats the earlier clause (same net result). And interesting argument overall I hadn't thought about that! On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > This is actually pretty urgent to judge because if G. is eligible, > that creates an obligation on the Herald that must (and CAN only) be > satisfied today or tomorrow. Wheras if e isn't, nobody else is. > Otherwise, no comment on the merits. > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Madelinewrote: > > My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an > > Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself > > eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 > > ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are > > always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible > > and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should > > be aware of? > > > > > > On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > >>> > >>> Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. > >> > >> This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. > >> > >> > >> Arguments: > >> > >>> The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", > >>> players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first > >>> week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? > >>> > >>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunn wrote: > >>>I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is a > >>> bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... > >>> > >>>On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
DIS: Re: BUS: Sillyness
I don't think this creates a new rule: rather an endless obligation by proposal. And I'm not sure whether or not it requires a pillar being built in the *actual* sky. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Aris Merchantwrote: > I submit the following proposal as my silly proposal. I appoint Trigon > to be next week's silly person. If the appointment of Trigon failed, I > appoint ATMunn to be next week's silly person. > > -Aris > > --- > > Title: Sky Pillars > AI: 1.0 > Author: Aris > > > It's hereby enacted > (The name being redacted): > > If a player should leave the game, > they will never be greeted with shame. > Instead a pillar of memory will be built in the sky, > it will last there forever, > it never shall die. > Tracked by whomever > tracks tracker-less things, > let's all watch the bountiful joy it brings > to see the names of those gone before > and the ways that they left, as they move into lore. -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
Alternatively, since 1023 ("Agoran Time") specifies only when Agoran Months start, and makes no claim about how long they last or even that we always be within one, Rule 2529 ("Medals of Honour") could be interpreted to clarify that an Agoran Month only lasts seven days, and the rest of the calendar month we aren't in any Agoran Month at all. I'm a little averse to this one because of how much it could break, but it's an option. >_> On 2017-11-13 10:15, Madeline wrote: My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should be aware of? On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. Arguments: The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunnwrote: I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is a bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
This is actually pretty urgent to judge because if G. is eligible, that creates an obligation on the Herald that must (and CAN only) be satisfied today or tomorrow. Wheras if e isn't, nobody else is. Otherwise, no comment on the merits. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Madelinewrote: > My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an > Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself > eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 > ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are > always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible > and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should > be aware of? > > > On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >>> >>> Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. >> >> This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. >> >> >> Arguments: >> >>> The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", >>> players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first >>> week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunn wrote: >>>I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is a >>> bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... >>> >>>On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> >>> >>> I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour. >> >> >> >> > -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Silly Parties
That's fair, yeah, I missed that. On 2017-11-13 10:11, Aris Merchant wrote: Yeah, but that's disputed and has been CFJed. This way I can't get in trouble for distributing a non-pending proposal. -Aris On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 3:09 PM Madelinewrote: It is - Silly Proposals are Official Proposals, which are automatically pending. On 2017-11-13 10:05, Aris Merchant wrote: If "Backed Out the Door" is not pending, I pend it for 1 AP. -Aris On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 2:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote: PF On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:52 AM, VJ Rada wrote: I call an AP CFJ w/ the statement: "Alexis's proposal 'Backed Out the Door' is a 'truly hideous pun' under rule 1650." Pretty self-explanatory. I think it does include puns, but that doesn't mean it IS a pun. On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: Silly Proposal: Backed Out the Door (AI=2, coauthors=Telnaior, ais523, Aris, G.) {{{ Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Political Parties", reading as follows: There are 5 Parties, in order: - Platonic Isolationists - New Punchbowl Reformers - Costume Conservatives - Substance Use Liberals - Official Raving Monster Looney Party Politicians are entities; each Politician has a name and an associated Party. Politicians exist only as specified by the rules. Creating, altering, or destroying Politicians is secured. If there are ever fewer than 20 Politicians, then the Clork CAN and SHALL, by announcement, create a new Politician, specifying eir Party and name. The Party must be selected at random from: - If any Party has fewer than 3 Politicans, the Party or Parties with the fewest. - Otherwise, the Parties with fewer than 5 Politicians. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Clork", reading as follows: The Clork (pronounced "clark") is an office. The Clork's weekly report includes: - a list of all Politicans with their names and Parties. - the assignment of Policies to Parties. The portion of a document purporting to be a Clork's report containing the above information is self-ratifying. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Echelon Forms", reading as follows: A Post is a position which can be held by at most one Politician. Each Politican can hold at most one Post at a time. Each Post is in an Echelon, which has an associated Rank. The Echelons, and their Posts and Ranks, are as follows: Chamber of Power (Rank 5): - Host Upper Echelon (Rank 3): - Planner - Enforcer - Organizer - Creep Row Echelon (Rank 1): - Schmoozer - Decorator - Loner - Drunk - Mystery - Wild One - Hat Rack Each Politician who holds a Post is in the Echelon of that post; other Politicians are in the Row-Reduced Echelon, which has Rank 0. Likewise, the Rank of a Post or Politician is the Rank of their Echelon. If a rule provides that a Post can take an action, then the Advisor of the holder of that Post CAN take that action. If there is no such player, and the Post is required to take that action, then the Clork CAN do it prior to any deadline for its performance. After a deadline for a Post to perform an action, any player CAN take it. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Taken Under Advisement", reading as follows: Advisor is a Politician switch, tracked by the Clork, with possible values all players and none (default). For each Politician, Influence over is a natural player switch, tracked by the Clork. A player CAN, by announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain Influence over that Politican, depending on the Politician's Echelon: - Chamber of Power: 3 Favours for 2 Influence - Upper Echelon: 1 Favour for 1 Influence - Row Echelon: 2 Favours for 3 Influence - Row-Reduced Echelon: 1 Favour for 2 Influence If a player has more Influence over a given Politician than any other player, e can Advise that Politican by announcement. When e does so, if no other player Advises the same Politician later in the same Agoran week, then at the start of the next Agoran week, that player becomes that Politician's Advisor. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Balloons", reading as follows: Balloons are a fixed currency, tracked by the Clork, with ownership restricted to players. Creation or destruction of balloons is secured. At the start of each Agoran week, after Advisors are flipped: - For each player, if e owns more Balloons than e was awarded by this
DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3594 assigned to Telnaior
My instinct here is to say that this rule is attempting to claim that an Agoran Month is seven days long, and also that a player can declare emself eligible during an Agoran Month. The first claim is overridden by Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"), while the second claim goes untouched - and as we are always within an Agoran Month, a player can always declare emself eligible and that this would be TRUE. Anything I'm missing or any precedent I should be aware of? On 2017-11-13 09:10, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Shiny CFJ: G. is eligible for a Medal of Honour. This is CFJ 3594. I assign it to Telnaior. Arguments: The medal of honour rule says "in the week of an agoran month", players can declare themselves eligible for a Notice. Munn meant first week. Can G. now declare emself eligible? On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, ATMunnwrote: I have no idea if this actually worked or not, since the rule is a bit broken. We'll just... pretend it works... On 11/6/2017 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I declare myself eligible for a Medal of Honour.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Silly Parties
On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > By the way, Aris, have you appointed a Silly Person for next week? > Just fair notice that that's an obligation. Oh yes please do Aris. Rule unfortunately requires a week without a silly person if previous person doesn't name one (was mulling a fix for that anyway...)
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7948-7953
Can you post the full text of what "Boo!" does? On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticuswrote: > Accepted. > > I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7948-7953 below. > > > > [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the > following proposals. For each decision, the options available to > Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a > decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately > before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.] > ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee > --- > 7948* o 1.0 FV Restoration o 2 sh. > 7949x V.J. Rada 3.0 HYGAVTFT [7] V.J. Rada 2 sh. > 7950* G. 2.0 B! G. OP [2] > 7951* G. 1.0 Zombie Auctions G. OP [2] > 7952* G. 2.0 It LIVES G. 1 AP > 7953* Alexis 3.0 Vote Specification Fix Alexis 1 AP > > | | 7948 | 7949 | 7950 | 7951 | 7952 | 7953 | > |-+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > |Alexis | FF | AA | AA | AA | FF | FF | > |Aris | F| A| F| F| F| F| > |ATMunn | F| A| F| F| F| F| > |o| F| A| F| A| A| F| > |PSS | F| A| F| F| F| F| > |Telnaior | F| A| A| F| F| F| > |Trigon | F| A| F| F| F| F| > |VJ Rada | F| F| F| A| F| F| > |-+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > |F/A | 9/0 | 1/8 | 6/3 | 5/4 | 8/1 | 9/0 | > |AI | 1.0 | 3.0 | 2.0 | 1.0 | 2.0 | 3.0 | > |V| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| > |Q| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| > |P| T| F| T| T| T| T| > > // > ID: 7948 > Title: FV Restoration > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: o > Co-authors: > > > If rule 2456 (“The Treasuror”) does not already contain it, add the following > paragraph to the end of that rule: > > The Treasuror CAN flip the floating value once a week by announcement. As > part > of eir weekly duties, e SHALL flip the Floating Value to the number of > Shinies > owned by Agora; e SHALL NOT ever set it to a different value. > E SHOULD do this while publishing eir weekly report. If the Treasuror > discovers that e last flipped the floating value to an incorrect value and e > would not otherwise be able to set it again yet, e CAN and SHALL set the > value > to what it should have been set to in the first place by announcement. > > // > ID: 7951 > Title: Zombie Auctions > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: G. > Co-authors: > OFFICIAL PROPOSAL > > > Re-enact Rule 1885 (power-1) with a title "Zombie Auctions" and the > following text: > > Whenever a zombie has Agora for a master and an auction for it > is not underway or been won in the last seven days, then the > Registrar CAN and SHALL, in a timely fashion, put the specified > zombie up for auction by announcement. Each auction ends seven > days after it begins. > > During an auction, any player who is not a zombie CAN bid a > number of Shinies for the specified zombie by announcement. > > The winner of the auction, if any, is the player who bids the > highest number of shinies, with ties broken in favor of the > earlier bidder. The winner CAN and SHALL, in a timely fashion, > flip the zombie's master to the winner by announcement, if e > pays Agora the amount of the bid for the explicit and sole > purpose of fulfilling this requirement. If there are no bids, > the auction has no winner. > > If a zombie being auctioned ceases to have Agora as a master at > any time between the initiation of the auction and the winner > becoming the zombie's master (or failing to do so in a timely > fashion after the auction), then the auction has no winner, and > any obligations to pay for the zombie are voided. > > // > ID: 7952 > Title: It LIVES > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: G. > Co-authors: > > > Increase the power of R1885 (Zombie Auctions) to 2. > > // > ID: 7953 > Title: Vote Specification Fix > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Alexis > Co-authors: > > > Amend rule 107 (Initiating Agoran Decisions) by replacing the list item "A > clear > indication of the set of valid votes." with two list items: "The voting
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Silly Parties
By the way, Aris, have you appointed a Silly Person for next week? Just fair notice that that's an obligation. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:11 AM, VJ Radawrote: > There's a pending CFJ contending that it isn't silly, is the reason e > did that. Obviously AP resets in 50 minutes so the conditional has no > game impact, and it would be less uncertain to have it pending than > not. > > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Madeline wrote: >> It is - Silly Proposals are Official Proposals, which are automatically >> pending. >> >> >> On 2017-11-13 10:05, Aris Merchant wrote: >>> >>> If "Backed Out the Door" is not pending, I pend it for 1 AP. >>> >>> -Aris >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 2:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote: PF On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:52 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I call an AP CFJ w/ the statement: "Alexis's proposal 'Backed Out the > Door' is a 'truly hideous pun' under rule 1650." > > Pretty self-explanatory. I think it does include puns, but that doesn't > mean it IS a pun. > > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: >> >> Silly Proposal: Backed Out the Door (AI=2, coauthors=Telnaior, ais523, >> Aris, >> G.) >> {{{ >> Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Political Parties", reading as >> follows: >> >>There are 5 Parties, in order: >> >>- Platonic Isolationists >>- New Punchbowl Reformers >>- Costume Conservatives >>- Substance Use Liberals >>- Official Raving Monster Looney Party >> >>Politicians are entities; each Politician has a name and an >>associated Party. Politicians exist only as specified by the >>rules. Creating, altering, or destroying Politicians is secured. >> >>If there are ever fewer than 20 Politicians, then the Clork CAN >>and SHALL, by announcement, create a new Politician, specifying >>eir Party and name. The Party must be selected at random from: >> >>- If any Party has fewer than 3 Politicans, the Party or Parties >> with the fewest. >>- Otherwise, the Parties with fewer than 5 Politicians. >> >> Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Clork", reading as follows: >> >>The Clork (pronounced "clark") is an office. The Clork's weekly >>report includes: >>- a list of all Politicans with their names and Parties. >>- the assignment of Policies to Parties. >> >>The portion of a document purporting to be a Clork's report >>containing the above information is self-ratifying. >> >> Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Echelon Forms", reading as follows: >> >>A Post is a position which can be held by at most one >> Politician. >>Each Politican can hold at most one Post at a time. Each Post is >>in an Echelon, which has an associated Rank. The Echelons, and >>their Posts and Ranks, are as follows: >> >>Chamber of Power (Rank 5): >>- Host >>Upper Echelon (Rank 3): >>- Planner >>- Enforcer >>- Organizer >>- Creep >>Row Echelon (Rank 1): >>- Schmoozer >>- Decorator >>- Loner >>- Drunk >>- Mystery >>- Wild One >>- Hat Rack >> >>Each Politician who holds a Post is in the Echelon of that post; >>other Politicians are in the Row-Reduced Echelon, which has Rank >>0. Likewise, the Rank of a Post or Politician is the Rank of >> their >>Echelon. >> >>If a rule provides that a Post can take an action, then the >>Advisor of the holder of that Post CAN take that action. If >> there >>is no such player, and the Post is required to take that action, >>then the Clork CAN do it prior to any deadline for its >>performance. After a deadline for a Post to perform an action, >> any >>player CAN take it. >> Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Taken Under Advisement", reading as >> follows: >> >>Advisor is a Politician switch, tracked by the Clork, with >>possible values all players and none (default). For each >>Politician, Influence over is a natural player >>switch, tracked by the Clork. >> >>A player CAN, by announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain >>Influence over that Politican, depending on the Politician's >>Echelon: >>- Chamber of Power: 3 Favours for 2 Influence >>- Upper Echelon: 1 Favour for 1 Influence >>
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Silly Parties
There's a pending CFJ contending that it isn't silly, is the reason e did that. Obviously AP resets in 50 minutes so the conditional has no game impact, and it would be less uncertain to have it pending than not. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Madelinewrote: > It is - Silly Proposals are Official Proposals, which are automatically > pending. > > > On 2017-11-13 10:05, Aris Merchant wrote: >> >> If "Backed Out the Door" is not pending, I pend it for 1 AP. >> >> -Aris >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 2:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >>> >>> PF >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:52 AM, VJ Rada wrote: I call an AP CFJ w/ the statement: "Alexis's proposal 'Backed Out the Door' is a 'truly hideous pun' under rule 1650." Pretty self-explanatory. I think it does include puns, but that doesn't mean it IS a pun. On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > Silly Proposal: Backed Out the Door (AI=2, coauthors=Telnaior, ais523, > Aris, > G.) > {{{ > Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Political Parties", reading as > follows: > >There are 5 Parties, in order: > >- Platonic Isolationists >- New Punchbowl Reformers >- Costume Conservatives >- Substance Use Liberals >- Official Raving Monster Looney Party > >Politicians are entities; each Politician has a name and an >associated Party. Politicians exist only as specified by the >rules. Creating, altering, or destroying Politicians is secured. > >If there are ever fewer than 20 Politicians, then the Clork CAN >and SHALL, by announcement, create a new Politician, specifying >eir Party and name. The Party must be selected at random from: > >- If any Party has fewer than 3 Politicans, the Party or Parties > with the fewest. >- Otherwise, the Parties with fewer than 5 Politicians. > > Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Clork", reading as follows: > >The Clork (pronounced "clark") is an office. The Clork's weekly >report includes: >- a list of all Politicans with their names and Parties. >- the assignment of Policies to Parties. > >The portion of a document purporting to be a Clork's report >containing the above information is self-ratifying. > > Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Echelon Forms", reading as follows: > >A Post is a position which can be held by at most one > Politician. >Each Politican can hold at most one Post at a time. Each Post is >in an Echelon, which has an associated Rank. The Echelons, and >their Posts and Ranks, are as follows: > >Chamber of Power (Rank 5): >- Host >Upper Echelon (Rank 3): >- Planner >- Enforcer >- Organizer >- Creep >Row Echelon (Rank 1): >- Schmoozer >- Decorator >- Loner >- Drunk >- Mystery >- Wild One >- Hat Rack > >Each Politician who holds a Post is in the Echelon of that post; >other Politicians are in the Row-Reduced Echelon, which has Rank >0. Likewise, the Rank of a Post or Politician is the Rank of > their >Echelon. > >If a rule provides that a Post can take an action, then the >Advisor of the holder of that Post CAN take that action. If > there >is no such player, and the Post is required to take that action, >then the Clork CAN do it prior to any deadline for its >performance. After a deadline for a Post to perform an action, > any >player CAN take it. > Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Taken Under Advisement", reading as > follows: > >Advisor is a Politician switch, tracked by the Clork, with >possible values all players and none (default). For each >Politician, Influence over is a natural player >switch, tracked by the Clork. > >A player CAN, by announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain >Influence over that Politican, depending on the Politician's >Echelon: >- Chamber of Power: 3 Favours for 2 Influence >- Upper Echelon: 1 Favour for 1 Influence >- Row Echelon: 2 Favours for 3 Influence >- Row-Reduced Echelon: 1 Favour for 2 Influence > >If a player has more Influence over a given Politician than any >other player, e can Advise that Politican by announcement. When > e >does so, if no other
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Silly Parties
Yeah, but that's disputed and has been CFJed. This way I can't get in trouble for distributing a non-pending proposal. -Aris On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 3:09 PM Madelinewrote: > It is - Silly Proposals are Official Proposals, which are automatically > pending. > > > On 2017-11-13 10:05, Aris Merchant wrote: > > If "Backed Out the Door" is not pending, I pend it for 1 AP. > > > > -Aris > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 2:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > >> PF > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:52 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > >>> I call an AP CFJ w/ the statement: "Alexis's proposal 'Backed Out the > >>> Door' is a 'truly hideous pun' under rule 1650." > >>> > >>> Pretty self-explanatory. I think it does include puns, but that doesn't > >>> mean it IS a pun. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > Silly Proposal: Backed Out the Door (AI=2, coauthors=Telnaior, ais523, > Aris, > G.) > {{{ > Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Political Parties", reading as > follows: > > There are 5 Parties, in order: > > - Platonic Isolationists > - New Punchbowl Reformers > - Costume Conservatives > - Substance Use Liberals > - Official Raving Monster Looney Party > > Politicians are entities; each Politician has a name and an > associated Party. Politicians exist only as specified by the > rules. Creating, altering, or destroying Politicians is > secured. > > If there are ever fewer than 20 Politicians, then the Clork CAN > and SHALL, by announcement, create a new Politician, specifying > eir Party and name. The Party must be selected at random from: > > - If any Party has fewer than 3 Politicans, the Party or > Parties > with the fewest. > - Otherwise, the Parties with fewer than 5 Politicians. > > Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Clork", reading as follows: > > The Clork (pronounced "clark") is an office. The Clork's weekly > report includes: > - a list of all Politicans with their names and Parties. > - the assignment of Policies to Parties. > > The portion of a document purporting to be a Clork's report > containing the above information is self-ratifying. > > Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Echelon Forms", reading as follows: > > A Post is a position which can be held by at most one > Politician. > Each Politican can hold at most one Post at a time. Each Post > is > in an Echelon, which has an associated Rank. The Echelons, and > their Posts and Ranks, are as follows: > > Chamber of Power (Rank 5): > - Host > Upper Echelon (Rank 3): > - Planner > - Enforcer > - Organizer > - Creep > Row Echelon (Rank 1): > - Schmoozer > - Decorator > - Loner > - Drunk > - Mystery > - Wild One > - Hat Rack > > Each Politician who holds a Post is in the Echelon of that > post; > other Politicians are in the Row-Reduced Echelon, which has > Rank > 0. Likewise, the Rank of a Post or Politician is the Rank of > their > Echelon. > > If a rule provides that a Post can take an action, then the > Advisor of the holder of that Post CAN take that action. If > there > is no such player, and the Post is required to take that > action, > then the Clork CAN do it prior to any deadline for its > performance. After a deadline for a Post to perform an action, > any > player CAN take it. > Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Taken Under Advisement", reading as > follows: > > Advisor is a Politician switch, tracked by the Clork, with > possible values all players and none (default). For each > Politician, Influence over is a natural player > switch, tracked by the Clork. > > A player CAN, by announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain > Influence over that Politican, depending on the Politician's > Echelon: > - Chamber of Power: 3 Favours for 2 Influence > - Upper Echelon: 1 Favour for 1 Influence > - Row Echelon: 2 Favours for 3 Influence > - Row-Reduced Echelon: 1 Favour for 2 Influence > > If a player has more Influence over a given Politician than any > other player, e can Advise that Politican by announcement. > When e > does so, if no other player
DIS: Re: BUS: Silly Parties
It is - Silly Proposals are Official Proposals, which are automatically pending. On 2017-11-13 10:05, Aris Merchant wrote: If "Backed Out the Door" is not pending, I pend it for 1 AP. -Aris On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 2:52 PM, VJ Radawrote: PF On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:52 AM, VJ Rada wrote: I call an AP CFJ w/ the statement: "Alexis's proposal 'Backed Out the Door' is a 'truly hideous pun' under rule 1650." Pretty self-explanatory. I think it does include puns, but that doesn't mean it IS a pun. On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: Silly Proposal: Backed Out the Door (AI=2, coauthors=Telnaior, ais523, Aris, G.) {{{ Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Political Parties", reading as follows: There are 5 Parties, in order: - Platonic Isolationists - New Punchbowl Reformers - Costume Conservatives - Substance Use Liberals - Official Raving Monster Looney Party Politicians are entities; each Politician has a name and an associated Party. Politicians exist only as specified by the rules. Creating, altering, or destroying Politicians is secured. If there are ever fewer than 20 Politicians, then the Clork CAN and SHALL, by announcement, create a new Politician, specifying eir Party and name. The Party must be selected at random from: - If any Party has fewer than 3 Politicans, the Party or Parties with the fewest. - Otherwise, the Parties with fewer than 5 Politicians. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Clork", reading as follows: The Clork (pronounced "clark") is an office. The Clork's weekly report includes: - a list of all Politicans with their names and Parties. - the assignment of Policies to Parties. The portion of a document purporting to be a Clork's report containing the above information is self-ratifying. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Echelon Forms", reading as follows: A Post is a position which can be held by at most one Politician. Each Politican can hold at most one Post at a time. Each Post is in an Echelon, which has an associated Rank. The Echelons, and their Posts and Ranks, are as follows: Chamber of Power (Rank 5): - Host Upper Echelon (Rank 3): - Planner - Enforcer - Organizer - Creep Row Echelon (Rank 1): - Schmoozer - Decorator - Loner - Drunk - Mystery - Wild One - Hat Rack Each Politician who holds a Post is in the Echelon of that post; other Politicians are in the Row-Reduced Echelon, which has Rank 0. Likewise, the Rank of a Post or Politician is the Rank of their Echelon. If a rule provides that a Post can take an action, then the Advisor of the holder of that Post CAN take that action. If there is no such player, and the Post is required to take that action, then the Clork CAN do it prior to any deadline for its performance. After a deadline for a Post to perform an action, any player CAN take it. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Taken Under Advisement", reading as follows: Advisor is a Politician switch, tracked by the Clork, with possible values all players and none (default). For each Politician, Influence over is a natural player switch, tracked by the Clork. A player CAN, by announcement, spend Favours in a Party to gain Influence over that Politican, depending on the Politician's Echelon: - Chamber of Power: 3 Favours for 2 Influence - Upper Echelon: 1 Favour for 1 Influence - Row Echelon: 2 Favours for 3 Influence - Row-Reduced Echelon: 1 Favour for 2 Influence If a player has more Influence over a given Politician than any other player, e can Advise that Politican by announcement. When e does so, if no other player Advises the same Politician later in the same Agoran week, then at the start of the next Agoran week, that player becomes that Politician's Advisor. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Balloons", reading as follows: Balloons are a fixed currency, tracked by the Clork, with ownership restricted to players. Creation or destruction of balloons is secured. At the start of each Agoran week, after Advisors are flipped: - For each player, if e owns more Balloons than e was awarded by this procedure at the start of the previous week, any excess Balloons are destroyed. - Each player is awarded Balloons equal to the sum of the Ranks of the Politicians for which e is Advisor. - The Decorator's Advisor, if any is awarded one additional Balloon. A player CAN, by announcement, spend a Balloon e owns to increase
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette
Of course! Also done. On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: > I also wouldn't mind going onto the Day Court if you consider me suitable. > > > On 2017-11-13 10:03, VJ Rada wrote: > > Given that there are now 2 day-court people and 5 weekenders, a > > seemingly bad ratio, whack me on the day court, please (it's not as if > > I don't call half of CFJs anyway rip).
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette
I also wouldn't mind going onto the Day Court if you consider me suitable. On 2017-11-13 10:03, VJ Rada wrote: Given that there are now 2 day-court people and 5 weekenders, a seemingly bad ratio, whack me on the day court, please (it's not as if I don't call half of CFJs anyway rip). On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kerim Aydinwrote: COURT GAZETTE [Arbitor's Weekly Report for 12 Nov 2017] Open Cases (CFJs) [* = overdue, ! = <24 hours before deadline] 3591 Motioned to Publius (due Sat, 18 Nov 2017 ~03:14:10) 3592 Assigned to o(due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:02:39) 3593 Assigned to ATMunn (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:04:09) 3594 Assigned to Telnaior (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:10:28) 3595 Assigned to G. (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:14:02) 3596 Assigned to G. (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:16:00) 3597 Assigned to Aris (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:19:51) Recently-Delivered Verdicts and Implications [** = consider for rules annotation, ! = delivered late] 3589 by Aris: Can't promise a million dollars if your contract is no good. 3590 by o: Found that some subject line actions fail tests of working using CFJ 3409 standards. 3591 by Publius: Initial finding that re-ratifying an alleged voting report does not re-resolve the decision (Motion to Reconsider filed). Bench Roster Judge Court[***] Recent - --- G. Night3556, 3567, 3563, 3579, 3580, 3582, 3595, 3596 PubliusNight3558, 3561, 3574, 3576, 3591 o Day 3568, 3565, 3572, 3584, 3590, 3592 Aris Day 3557, 3562, 3577, 3578, 3589, 3597 Alexis Weekend 3573, 3581, 3587, 3588 V.J. Rada Weekend 3585 NichdelWeekend 3571, 3583 Telnaior Weekend 3586, 3594 ATMunn Weekend 3593 Highest Numbered Case: 3597 [***] Court Descriptions Day Court [Default, rotate roster through as needed]. Night Court [Assigned quick turnaround cases (either trivial or game-urgent), generally promises to judge in 4 days]. Weekend Court [Backup/partial rotation, generally gets half as many cases each as Day Court]. Courts are informal relative levels of "interest" in judging as per R991. Players can change Court by notifying the Arbitor. DISCLAIMER Informational only - No actions are contained in this report. Information in this report is NOT self-ratifying.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette
Will do and appreciated. (Night gets pretty much the same load as Day except when there's urgent cases, so it's not as uneven as it looks). And yeah - I've noted that your tendency to call a lot means there are fewer that I can assign you to! About half your light load to date is because weekend, the other half because of that tendency... On Mon, 13 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > Given that there are now 2 day-court people and 5 weekenders, a > seemingly bad ratio, whack me on the day court, please (it's not as if > I don't call half of CFJs anyway rip).
DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette
Given that there are now 2 day-court people and 5 weekenders, a seemingly bad ratio, whack me on the day court, please (it's not as if I don't call half of CFJs anyway rip). On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kerim Aydinwrote: > > > > COURT GAZETTE [Arbitor's Weekly Report for 12 Nov 2017] > > > Open Cases (CFJs) > > [* = overdue, ! = <24 hours before deadline] > > 3591 Motioned to Publius (due Sat, 18 Nov 2017 ~03:14:10) > 3592 Assigned to o(due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:02:39) > 3593 Assigned to ATMunn (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:04:09) > 3594 Assigned to Telnaior (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:10:28) > 3595 Assigned to G. (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:14:02) > 3596 Assigned to G. (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:16:00) > 3597 Assigned to Aris (due Sun, 19 Nov 2017 ~22:19:51) > > > Recently-Delivered Verdicts and Implications > > [** = consider for rules annotation, ! = delivered late] > > 3589 by Aris: Can't promise a million dollars if your contract is no good. > > 3590 by o: Found that some subject line actions fail tests of working > using CFJ 3409 standards. > > 3591 by Publius: Initial finding that re-ratifying an alleged voting > report does not re-resolve the decision (Motion to Reconsider filed). > > > Bench Roster > > Judge Court[***] Recent > - --- > G. Night3556, 3567, 3563, 3579, 3580, 3582, 3595, 3596 > PubliusNight3558, 3561, 3574, 3576, 3591 > o Day 3568, 3565, 3572, 3584, 3590, 3592 > Aris Day 3557, 3562, 3577, 3578, 3589, 3597 > Alexis Weekend 3573, 3581, 3587, 3588 > V.J. Rada Weekend 3585 > NichdelWeekend 3571, 3583 > Telnaior Weekend 3586, 3594 > ATMunn Weekend 3593 > > Highest Numbered Case: 3597 > > [***] Court Descriptions > > Day Court [Default, rotate roster through as needed]. > > Night Court [Assigned quick turnaround cases (either trivial or > game-urgent), generally promises to judge in 4 days]. > > Weekend Court [Backup/partial rotation, generally gets half as many >cases each as Day Court]. > > Courts are informal relative levels of "interest" in judging as per > R991. Players can change Court by notifying the Arbitor. > > > DISCLAIMER > Informational only - No actions are contained in this report. > Information in this report is NOT self-ratifying. > > > > > -- >From V.J. Rada
DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7948-7953
Dude, I didn't vote present on everything. I'm like 99 % sure of that. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:00 AM, VJ Radawrote: > BOO! FAILED BUT ZOMBIE AUCTIONS PASSED UGH. > > what even happens now. > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: >> I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7948-7953 below. >> >> >> >> [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the >> following proposals. For each decision, the options available to >> Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a >> decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately >> before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.] >> ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee >> --- >> 7948* o 1.0 FV Restoration o 2 sh. >> 7949x V.J. Rada 3.0 HYGAVTFT [7] V.J. Rada 2 sh. >> 7950x G. 2.0 B! G. OP [2] >> 7951* G. 1.0 Zombie Auctions G. OP [2] >> 7952* G. 2.0 It LIVES G. 1 AP >> 7953* Alexis 3.0 Vote Specification Fix Alexis 1 AP >> >> | | 7948 | 7949 | 7950 | 7951 | 7952 | 7953 | >> |-+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >> |Alexis | FF | AA | AA | AA | FF | FF | >> |Aris | F| A| F| F| F| F| >> |ATMunn | F| A| F| F| F| F| >> |o| F| A| F| A| A| F| >> |PSS | F| A| F| F| F| F| >> |Telnaior | F| A| A| F| F| F| >> |Trigon | F| A| F| F| F| F| >> |VJ Rada | P| P| P| P| P| P| >> |-+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >> |F/A | 8/0 | 0/8 | 5/3 | 5/3 | 7/1 | 8/0 | >> |AI | 1.0 | 3.0 | 2.0 | 1.0 | 2.0 | 3.0 | >> |V| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| >> |Q| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| >> |P| T| F| F| T| T| T| >> >> // >> ID: 7948 >> Title: FV Restoration >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: o >> Co-authors: >> >> >> If rule 2456 (“The Treasuror”) does not already contain it, add the following >> paragraph to the end of that rule: >> >> The Treasuror CAN flip the floating value once a week by announcement. As >> part >> of eir weekly duties, e SHALL flip the Floating Value to the number of >> Shinies >> owned by Agora; e SHALL NOT ever set it to a different value. >> E SHOULD do this while publishing eir weekly report. If the Treasuror >> discovers that e last flipped the floating value to an incorrect value and >> e >> would not otherwise be able to set it again yet, e CAN and SHALL set the >> value >> to what it should have been set to in the first place by announcement. >> >> // >> ID: 7951 >> Title: Zombie Auctions >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: G. >> Co-authors: >> OFFICIAL PROPOSAL >> >> >> Re-enact Rule 1885 (power-1) with a title "Zombie Auctions" and the >> following text: >> >> Whenever a zombie has Agora for a master and an auction for it >> is not underway or been won in the last seven days, then the >> Registrar CAN and SHALL, in a timely fashion, put the specified >> zombie up for auction by announcement. Each auction ends seven >> days after it begins. >> >> During an auction, any player who is not a zombie CAN bid a >> number of Shinies for the specified zombie by announcement. >> >> The winner of the auction, if any, is the player who bids the >> highest number of shinies, with ties broken in favor of the >> earlier bidder. The winner CAN and SHALL, in a timely fashion, >> flip the zombie's master to the winner by announcement, if e >> pays Agora the amount of the bid for the explicit and sole >> purpose of fulfilling this requirement. If there are no bids, >> the auction has no winner. >> >> If a zombie being auctioned ceases to have Agora as a master at >> any time between the initiation of the auction and the winner >> becoming the zombie's master (or failing to do so in a timely >> fashion after the auction), then the auction has no winner, and >> any obligations to pay for the zombie are voided. >> >> // >> ID: 7952 >> Title: It LIVES >> Adoption index: 2.0 >> Author: G. >> Co-authors: >> >> >> Increase the power of R1885 (Zombie Auctions) to 2. >> >>
DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7948-7953
BOO! FAILED BUT ZOMBIE AUCTIONS PASSED UGH. what even happens now. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticuswrote: > I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7948-7953 below. > > > > [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the > following proposals. For each decision, the options available to > Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a > decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately > before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.] > ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee > --- > 7948* o 1.0 FV Restoration o 2 sh. > 7949x V.J. Rada 3.0 HYGAVTFT [7] V.J. Rada 2 sh. > 7950x G. 2.0 B! G. OP [2] > 7951* G. 1.0 Zombie Auctions G. OP [2] > 7952* G. 2.0 It LIVES G. 1 AP > 7953* Alexis 3.0 Vote Specification Fix Alexis 1 AP > > | | 7948 | 7949 | 7950 | 7951 | 7952 | 7953 | > |-+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > |Alexis | FF | AA | AA | AA | FF | FF | > |Aris | F| A| F| F| F| F| > |ATMunn | F| A| F| F| F| F| > |o| F| A| F| A| A| F| > |PSS | F| A| F| F| F| F| > |Telnaior | F| A| A| F| F| F| > |Trigon | F| A| F| F| F| F| > |VJ Rada | P| P| P| P| P| P| > |-+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > |F/A | 8/0 | 0/8 | 5/3 | 5/3 | 7/1 | 8/0 | > |AI | 1.0 | 3.0 | 2.0 | 1.0 | 2.0 | 3.0 | > |V| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| > |Q| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| 8| > |P| T| F| F| T| T| T| > > // > ID: 7948 > Title: FV Restoration > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: o > Co-authors: > > > If rule 2456 (“The Treasuror”) does not already contain it, add the following > paragraph to the end of that rule: > > The Treasuror CAN flip the floating value once a week by announcement. As > part > of eir weekly duties, e SHALL flip the Floating Value to the number of > Shinies > owned by Agora; e SHALL NOT ever set it to a different value. > E SHOULD do this while publishing eir weekly report. If the Treasuror > discovers that e last flipped the floating value to an incorrect value and e > would not otherwise be able to set it again yet, e CAN and SHALL set the > value > to what it should have been set to in the first place by announcement. > > // > ID: 7951 > Title: Zombie Auctions > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: G. > Co-authors: > OFFICIAL PROPOSAL > > > Re-enact Rule 1885 (power-1) with a title "Zombie Auctions" and the > following text: > > Whenever a zombie has Agora for a master and an auction for it > is not underway or been won in the last seven days, then the > Registrar CAN and SHALL, in a timely fashion, put the specified > zombie up for auction by announcement. Each auction ends seven > days after it begins. > > During an auction, any player who is not a zombie CAN bid a > number of Shinies for the specified zombie by announcement. > > The winner of the auction, if any, is the player who bids the > highest number of shinies, with ties broken in favor of the > earlier bidder. The winner CAN and SHALL, in a timely fashion, > flip the zombie's master to the winner by announcement, if e > pays Agora the amount of the bid for the explicit and sole > purpose of fulfilling this requirement. If there are no bids, > the auction has no winner. > > If a zombie being auctioned ceases to have Agora as a master at > any time between the initiation of the auction and the winner > becoming the zombie's master (or failing to do so in a timely > fashion after the auction), then the auction has no winner, and > any obligations to pay for the zombie are voided. > > // > ID: 7952 > Title: It LIVES > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: G. > Co-authors: > > > Increase the power of R1885 (Zombie Auctions) to 2. > > // > ID: 7953 > Title: Vote Specification Fix > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Alexis > Co-authors: > > > Amend rule 107 (Initiating Agoran Decisions) by replacing the list item "A > clear > indication of the set of valid votes." with two list items: "The
DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7948-7953
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > 7950x G. 2.0 B! G. OP [2] > 7951* G. 1.0 Zombie Auctions G. OP [2] > 7952* G. 2.0 It LIVES G. 1 AP Ooh, I like this. "Whenever a zombie has agora for a master" we get auctions, but zombies aren't defined. one spooky star for Speaker Alexis (and time to deregister those folks? sorry about that...) Anyone want to make a contract with a Zombie asset and see what happens there?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Can we telegraph this any more clearly?
On Thu, 9 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I do think we need to tighten up what it means to pay, and to > spend, Shinies. How’s this for a sketch: > > * Where the rules define an amount of an asset to be paid to a > recipient, any attempt to pay an amount other than the full > amount due is INEFFECTIVE. I'd take a "nuke it from orbit" approach at this point, and excessively codify this into a formal Method (might be word- smithed to be shortened, but keep all the ideas in the following: If the rules specify that an action is performed by paying or spending to do it, or that a non-negative currency- denominated cost, price, or fee is associated with performing it, then the action is performed by paying the exact specified amount in a single transaction for the announced purpose of performing that action. If the rules do not specify another recipient for the funds, the funds must be paid to Agora. If the currency transaction fails then the action fails. If the action fails for other reasons, then the currency transaction fails. If the currency of payment is not specified, the default is shinies. Does that cover everything?
Re: DIS: Auctions v4
On Thu, 9 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Changes from v3: To add: "cancel all auctions in progress with no winner". Better to stop and re-start impending (I think??) Zombie auctions, on the new rules then to end up with a weird clash. To add: "If zombie auction rule exists then... [amendment to zombie auction procedure]." I'll look a replacement text up later this afternoon when I'm off mobile.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Agora Sky News vol 7
A week or two is fine, for anyone. But more than that e should step down, work out a contracted replacement, or we should just run an election. On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: > I agree. I think e said e was going to be pretty busy for a month or two, but > still. Also, the wrapping is messed up. > > On 11/12/2017 12:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > Really we should put a word minimum on the newspaper; there were more > > activities going on this week and this seems very low-effort to me. > > > > I mean, if you can't even report your own Bard award to be "significant > > or interesting", that's just very limited. > > > > Do others have feelings on appropriate minimum effort? > > > > On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: > > > I claim a reward of 5 shinies for the report. > > > > > > 天火狐 > > > > > > On 12 November 2017 at 11:29, Josh Twrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = Agora Sky News > > > > === > > > > == > > > > vol. > > > > 7 == > > > > > > > > Detective Institute Opens Doors > > > > > > > > Aspiring investigators can now help Agoran citizens with solving > > > > mysteries > > > > with > > > > the help of the newly opened Sherlock Holmes Institute. All mysteries, > > > > large and > > > > small, are welcome; if a mystery is brought to the institute and its > > > > top-notch > > > > investigators cannot resolve the case in a reasonable time frame, you > > > > get > > > > your > > > > money back and then some for the inconvenience. > > > > > > > > 天火狐 > > > > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Agora Sky News vol 7
I think the Reportor office is a bit too pragmatic in general. I think some fixing could be done. On 11/12/2017 12:21 PM, ATMunn wrote: I agree. I think e said e was going to be pretty busy for a month or two, but still. Also, the wrapping is messed up. On 11/12/2017 12:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Really we should put a word minimum on the newspaper; there were more activities going on this week and this seems very low-effort to me. I mean, if you can't even report your own Bard award to be "significant or interesting", that's just very limited. Do others have feelings on appropriate minimum effort? On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: I claim a reward of 5 shinies for the report. 天火狐 On 12 November 2017 at 11:29, Josh Twrote: = Agora Sky News === == vol. 7 == Detective Institute Opens Doors Aspiring investigators can now help Agoran citizens with solving mysteries with the help of the newly opened Sherlock Holmes Institute. All mysteries, large and small, are welcome; if a mystery is brought to the institute and its top-notch investigators cannot resolve the case in a reasonable time frame, you get your money back and then some for the inconvenience. 天火狐
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Agora Sky News vol 7
I agree. I think e said e was going to be pretty busy for a month or two, but still. Also, the wrapping is messed up. On 11/12/2017 12:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Really we should put a word minimum on the newspaper; there were more activities going on this week and this seems very low-effort to me. I mean, if you can't even report your own Bard award to be "significant or interesting", that's just very limited. Do others have feelings on appropriate minimum effort? On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: I claim a reward of 5 shinies for the report. 天火狐 On 12 November 2017 at 11:29, Josh Twrote: = Agora Sky News === == vol. 7 == Detective Institute Opens Doors Aspiring investigators can now help Agoran citizens with solving mysteries with the help of the newly opened Sherlock Holmes Institute. All mysteries, large and small, are welcome; if a mystery is brought to the institute and its top-notch investigators cannot resolve the case in a reasonable time frame, you get your money back and then some for the inconvenience. 天火狐
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Agora Sky News vol 7
Really we should put a word minimum on the newspaper; there were more activities going on this week and this seems very low-effort to me. I mean, if you can't even report your own Bard award to be "significant or interesting", that's just very limited. Do others have feelings on appropriate minimum effort? On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: > I claim a reward of 5 shinies for the report. > > 天火狐 > > On 12 November 2017 at 11:29, Josh Twrote: > > > > > > > = Agora Sky News > > === > > == > > vol. > > 7 == > > > > Detective Institute Opens Doors > > > > Aspiring investigators can now help Agoran citizens with solving mysteries > > with > > the help of the newly opened Sherlock Holmes Institute. All mysteries, > > large and > > small, are welcome; if a mystery is brought to the institute and its > > top-notch > > investigators cannot resolve the case in a reasonable time frame, you get > > your > > money back and then some for the inconvenience. > > > > 天火狐 > > >
Re: DIS: Auctions v4
My original intent with this was any one item, however I'm not sure what o intended. On 11/12/2017 3:37 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Owen Jacobsonwrote: Any player CAN terminate an Auction, by announcement, if the Auction has not ended and the Auctioneer of that Auction cannot transfer any item included in a lot in that Auction. Any in this type of situation always trips me up, although there may be some obvious rule that I don't know. Does it mean any one item, or all of them? -Aris
Re: DIS: Draft silly proposal
"The Registrar's monthly report includes: For each former player for which the information is reasonably available, the dates on which e registered and deregistered." Dates, but not reasons, no. On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Aris Merchantwrote: > Is it required anywhere? > > On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Madeline wrote: >> We already have this in the Rulekeepor's monthly report. >> >> >> >> On 2017-11-12 18:36, Aris Merchant wrote: >>> >>> How's this? >>> >>> -Aris >>> >>> --- >>> >>> It's hereby enacted >>> (The name being redacted): >>> >>> If a player should leave the game, >>> they will never be greeted with shame. >>> Instead a pillar of memory will be built in the sky, >>> it will last there forever, >>> it never shall die. >>> Tracked by whomever >>> tracks tracker-less things, >>> let's all watch the bountiful joy it brings >>> to see the names of those gone before >>> and the ways that they left, as they move into lore. -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Auctions v4
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Owen Jacobsonwrote: > Any player CAN terminate an Auction, by announcement, if the Auction > has > not ended and the Auctioneer of that Auction cannot transfer any item > included in a lot in that Auction. Any in this type of situation always trips me up, although there may be some obvious rule that I don't know. Does it mean any one item, or all of them? -Aris
DIS: Promotor draft report
Here's my intermittent weekly draft. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 6.0 and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes). ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee --- 7965* Trigon 3.0 One pronoun fix Trigon 1 AP 7966* ATMunn 1.0 But I already live there!o 1 AP 7967* V.J. Rada 1.0 Rhyming sux tbh V.J. Rada 1 AP 7968* Alexis, [2]2.0 Backed Out the Door Alexis OP [1] 7969* V.J. Rada, [3] 3.0 Obvious fix V.J. Rada 2 sh. 7970* V.J. Rada 2.0 Referee Minor FixV.J. Rada 2 sh. 7971* V.J. Rada, [3] 2.0 Cleanup Time V.J. Rada 2 sh. The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals: ID Author(s) AI Title --- pp1 Alexis1.7 A Most Ingenious Paradox pp2 G.2.0 Silly Tweaks pp3 ATMunn, [3] 1.0 [4] Legend: * : Proposal is pending. [1] Official Proposal, inherently pending [2] Telnaior, ais523, Aris, G. [3] Alexis [4] No title A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value in shines (see the Treasuror's report). The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. // ID: 7965 Title: One pronoun fix Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Trigon Co-authors: Replace the word "his" in the second paragraph of Rule 2438 ("Ribbons") with "eir". // ID: 7966 Title: But I already live there Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Trigon Co-authors: Amend rule 2474 "Green Cards" by replacing the text "the United States" with "Brazil". // ID: 7967 Title: Rhyming sux tbh Adoption index: 1.0 Author: V.J. Rada Co-authors: Repeal rule 1650, "Silliness" Repeal the rule called "Poetry Duel Challenge Writ // ID: 7968 Title: Backed Out the Door Adoption index: 2.0 Author: Alexis Co-authors: Telnaior, ais523, Aris, G. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Political Parties", reading as follows: There are 5 Parties, in order: - Platonic Isolationists - New Punchbowl Reformers - Costume Conservatives - Substance Use Liberals - Official Raving Monster Looney Party Politicians are entities; each Politician has a name and an associated Party. Politicians exist only as specified by the rules. Creating, altering, or destroying Politicians is secured. If there are ever fewer than 20 Politicians, then the Clork CAN and SHALL, by announcement, create a new Politician, specifying eir Party and name. The Party must be selected at random from: - If any Party has fewer than 3 Politicans, the Party or Parties with the fewest. - Otherwise, the Parties with fewer than 5 Politicians. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Clork", reading as follows: The Clork (pronounced "clark") is an office. The Clork's weekly report includes: - a list of all Politicans with their names and Parties. - the assignment of Policies to Parties. The portion of a document purporting to be a Clork's report containing the above information is self-ratifying. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Echelon Forms", reading as follows: A Post is a position which can be held by at most one Politician. Each Politican can hold at most one Post at a time. Each Post is in an Echelon, which has an associated Rank. The Echelons, and their Posts and Ranks, are as follows: Chamber of Power (Rank 5): - Host Upper Echelon (Rank 3): - Planner - Enforcer - Organizer - Creep Row Echelon (Rank 1): - Schmoozer - Decorator - Loner - Drunk - Mystery - Wild One - Hat Rack Each Politician who holds a Post is in the Echelon of that post; other Politicians are in the Row-Reduced Echelon, which has Rank 0. Likewise, the Rank of a Post or Politician is the Rank of their Echelon. If a rule provides that a Post can take an action, then the Advisor of the holder of that Post CAN take that action. If there is no such player, and the Post is required to take that action, then the Clork CAN do it prior to any deadline for its performance. After a deadline for a Post to perform an action, any player CAN take it. Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Taken Under Advisement", reading as follows: Advisor is a Politician switch, tracked by the Clork, with possible values all players and none (default). For each