Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor
Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Does this also mean that the iPhone se will not have a headphone jack? I will be getting either an iPhone 5S or an iPhone se at some point, when the se roles out first. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254625#p254625 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor @Nocturnus;JAWS uses pitch to indicate whether a letter is capitalized or not, it also uses pitch when reading, especially with long passages, the voice's pitch lowers as it progresses through the block of text. If you don't like the pitch changes, you can turn it off in the voice settings window. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254615#p254615 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor @Nocturnus,Well I appreciate the so coled "revolution" on audio, but the problem is that we could be forced to buy headphones from apple only, which normally cost 50 dollars if I'm not wrong. So, I believe in many undeveloped countries like mine, it is hard to buy a 50 dollar pair of headphones each time you purposefully or accidentally spoil them.I cannot speak about mak because I do not own one, but the iPhone is a wonderful device in terms of accessibility. But accessibility is just an important aspect for certain groups of people like us, so many people may not take in consideration what we are talking about. I don't know what kind of problems you are facing on Safari because here it runs very smoothly, even in a low connection speed. It is also very stable. I browsed many pages containing numerable headings and pieces of information with links, tables, and lists and it handled them very well. The only problem so far is itunes. I use it only as a method to transfer music to my iPhone. It is very unlikely for me to ever use it as a primary media player on windows because whenever you open a new song, itunes adds it to the library and if you plug in your iPhone, it will be synced to it right away. I hate a bloody policy of itunes which deletes every song on your iPhone whenever you delete it from itunes library. Is there any way to change this?Now as about the pitch change on your mak, I believe it is an exclusiveness of freedom scientific. Jaws changes the pitch of eloquence in certain dialog boxes, including edit fields. It may be utterly wrong, but I just think so. On iPhone, wherever there's an edit box, samantha changes her pitch. It doesn't sound as good as eloquence though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254604#p254604 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor @figment,The new iPhone SE is either unveiled or going to be unveiled. This will be a smaller form factor of the iPfone 6S. The iPad Pro will receive the same treatment with a 9.7 inch screen, the same size as the iPad Air 2.Best Regards,Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254565#p254565 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor I personally don't care if the iPhone has a headphone jack or not.1. I don't use my iPhone for entertainment so the built in speakers or just fine.2. For those very rare instances where I might want to keep what voiceover says private, I use blue tooth head phone to avoid the hassle of wires.3. I'm not upgrading my iPhone 5s until Apple offers a new phone the same basic size. I definitely don't want anything larger, that's for sure. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254545#p254545 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor I'd first like to go on record saying that I still don't fully appreciate Apple; iTune's is a pile of garbage and a cespool at the same time, complete with a layout and lack of features that is driving me up the wall right about now, since I feel like all this is in essence is windows media plunger on steroids. Voiceover on my mac has this obnoxious habbit of pitching my voices down when I hit certain areas of my screen, such as text edit fields. Safari still annoys me, lack of being able to monitor audio inputs without extra software is a pain, hitting enter to open a folder or file and realizing later that I've accomplished nothing is frustrating, and I want fries on the side! With salt! And a touch of butter!Since getting a mac and an Apple watch, however, I've come to the conclusion that Apple is at least slightly aware of what they're doing and won't take a drastic step in any direction without heavily consideri ng every single outcome. Yeah yeah, Tim Cook, not Steve Jobs and certainly not noted for being a revolutionary, but I have a newly acquired respect for Apple's hardware design and manufacturing. I can't say how many times I've hit my watch now throughout the course of my day and how many times it scared me. Perhaps the case and screen protector weren't actually necessary, as the screen didn't crack or anything. I've digressed a bit, however; the audio from such a small speaker is what I'd like to focus on for just a moment. You wouldn't think it would be anything worth talking about, but it actually is. Whether I'm listening to it on hearing ades or jamming it up against my almost useless ear, it sounds relatively clear, which is more than I've been able to say about many small devices lately.I'm going to sit this one out on the sidelines for now, at least, fully aware that I have an p; iPhone 6s pluss, that I probably don't need to upgrade it for at least two years, which almost means that either Apple will iron out any kinks it has with its new audio system and it'll be appreciated, or we'll see the headphone jack come back. Make no mistake, however, wires have been cumbersome for quite some time now, and if Apple's going to get into things like wireless charging, why not audio, too? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254539#p254539 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Oh my God, the information presented in the first post is almost true, if not official.There will be no headphones port!The voice on your headsets will come through another technology which they call it revolutionary. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254491#p254491 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor my blu energy x has a nice rubber cover that goes over the back and it has a nice feel to it. it runs android lollypop 5.1. I recommend blu energy x with 1.3ghz quad core processor 1gigs ram 3gigs storeage with 32gigs micro sd card and 8mp camera and gps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246825#p246825 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor no not true. you know what i do to turn on talkback? turn on my blu energy x $109 phone after unboxing it, wait till i hear the startup music, then hold two fingers on the screen and talkback comes on. then i set it up. i switch to google keyboard and install the google now launcher and run android firmware updates from the about screen and i'm good to go! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246828#p246828 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor does shine plus work on tablets or is it only for android phones? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246829#p246829 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Yeah, Sebby gets it; glad someone does.All of the screen readers as of late are currently responsible for practically taking each other's features and imitating them to the point that every update that comes out nowadays is just another argument waiting to happen as to who developed this or that thing first. I was once a member of the team that suggested that those who were willing to be satisfied with Voiceover the way it is were settling for less than progress. I'm not seeing any change in windows world anymore either though. This frustrates me. Long gone are the days when I could look at update pages and be jealous because I knew someone else who was probably going to have a shot at using updates I could because they were just, out of my price range. Today, NVDA is free, JAWS is still expensive, and WE is... Well, somewhere in the middle, I guess.What I like seeing, however, is a screen reader that is, no matter what version o f my operating system I'm using, going to remain intact and usable, as soon as I get to my system. Windows 10 came out, and I was sitting here on the sidelines wondering if I should upgrade yet. Should I upgrade yet? Have the kinks been worked out? I sit around and reflect on the idea that Apple users are not worrying about that and, dare I say it? I'm jealous! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246891#p246891 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Even though I agree that more choice is good in some circumstances, I already have four Windows screen readers, and probably still don't have complete and accurate coverage. Of course the flip side is that I have the most choice on that platform within the bounds of competing screen readers, and also more across-the-board coverage of apps than on any other platform. This is imperfect, but passes the requirement for accessibility in many cases. Even despite this, I use Windows nowadays very little, because everything else I need is on Mac. That's my personal profile; yours may be very different.On the interesting question of growth, using Windows felt a bit like stepping into the past, since the screen readers have essentially not changed. This was pleasing to me, in a familiar kind of way, but it's depressing how far these screen readers are behind the state of the art in user interfaces, like touch. Even exploration of screen layout is something that hasn 39;t got much (any?) better on Windows, and the Tab key is still the most natural way to reach every control. VoiceOver in OS X is not being developed much either, but I feel that the worst part about that is not having bugs fixed and efficiency improved, rather than because there aren't any potential future revolutions yet to come on the desktop. Indeed, the latest version of VoiceOver simply adds features that iOS users will appreciate, for avoiding the interaction discipline. Very buggy, of course.As for Narrator, what Nocturnus was saying is that it's an improvement. It is! Using Internet Explorer, you can use Narrator to browse the web--very slowly. That's good enough to get NVDA installed. And in fact Narrator smells very similar to Apple's VoiceOver in the multi-key commands, which while they require more fingers, do at least make it trivial to separate screen review from on-screen focus--an important advance for full accessi bility, IMNSHO. Perhaps you could try harder to use it and see how you get on with it. Or ChromeVox--that's another screen reader in a very similar style.Just my thoughts. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246865#p246865 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Yes, sucks to be blind. I'll give you that. But you do still have a choice, and it's not Apple, Microsoft or Google. You won't like it very much though. But to be honest (any surprises coming up?), I think I'd use iPhone anyway, because privacy. I think that's a rather important virtue of Apple compared to the competition just now. Maybe, if one of the FLOSS Android distros actually gained any kind of inroads concerning accessibility ... same for Mac over Doze. I really want to have choices, but just now, Apple is the least worst.As for audio, well of course if you don't need great audio from your phone all this is pretty moot, yes. But it definitely won't apply just to iTunes. Just use the things they give you in the box, and be happy. Assuming they do and don't charge extra for something you should get for nowt ... As for technol ogy improvements generally: nah, not having that discussion again. Suffice it to say that some of us really do appreciate it. If you don't, that's cool. I'd love a digital path to my headphones.I have two 2010 Macs that need a new home. If it's just the finances, feel free to ask about them and you can have one. I would never have charged for them anyway, but there's still perfectly adequate for light uses like email and web.@SLJ: just you wait. Couple more years, Apple will no longer have a need for Mac OS X because iOS keyboard support will get miles better on iPad Pro. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246713#p246713 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor To be honest all this talk of connectors and lightning is a bit superfluous to me, sinse whatever the hardware is doing I just don't like Apple's software solutions to file handling for media, ie, the dreaded Itunes. If I do ever get a mac that might change, but that's no longer a priority at the moment.Again, I'll ask the question, what good does all this computery wootery do me?Quite often I find companies (and not just apple), try to baffle everyone with science, and say how the new oojar boojar 3000 gigger quad techno ossolating flangemagjigathing is s much better, without actually addressing what the hell the thing does. The only depressing part is so many people go along with this and just believe! something is better because they're told it is rather than trying to work out what practical good it does. To me this all looks like Apple trying to grab more proprietory space and make sure your Iphone will only! run with apple ap proved apple things that make money for apple, which is another reason I reffuse to buy into any of Apple's media or audio anyway.Oh, and the virus? it's called the I submit, and will be available in the next upgrade of Ios. Those who want an early copy can recieve one by going to the ap store and copy and pasting their soul into the appropriate box on the form, adding your name and address if you've prefer the actual physical demon to turn up with the complimentary pitch fork (this costs extra), otherwise it'll just get sucked into whatever Apple port you have open at the time. Then Apple will own you! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246682#p246682 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Ah well, spent a year on Android. That has to count for something, right? I'm back, Apple. I tried to get away from you, but you were too accessible... Methinks this is how iSubmit gets started. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246689#p246689 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor That is true, which leads me to my next point. TalkBack is open source, so it is even more disappointing that it isn't making sufficient progress. I still don't understand why third-party developers don't seem to be adding to it when Google doesn't seem to care enough. As far as Shine Plus is concerned, the fact that the developers don't speak English as a native language does get in the way, but again people could help with translation if they wish to see it improve. With that in mind, you have more options on Android than on iOS, which is why I am an Android user. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246757#p246757 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor it boils down to this; does it really matter that you have more options if all of them work differently and you have to figure out which one you want to use for what purpose, or is it more important to have a single option that works seamlessly across its platform without producing so much as a hiccup unless an app or part of an app is extremely flashy and full of graphics? ON windows, the answer for me is a clear cut case, but that has more to do with windows being an established operating system that has had years to mature. While MS has not always provided extensive documentation on how to use its accessibility API's evenly for developers and some screen reading applications have had more of a boost thanks to tons of funding, it has never entirely shrugged off accessibility, in recent years even going so far as to make narrator slightly more appealing. It's not perfect; it's effort they don't have to put in whatsoever, because I highl y doubt they would hurt all that much if they lost every blind user. AS a result of this maturing over the past 2 decades, screen readers have come and gone, with JAWS, Windoweyes, NVDA and System access apparently being contenders to each other for the top spot, all of them apparently stable in their own way, al of them satisfying their users to the point that we start flame wars about who's screen reading application is better, just as we start flame wars about which mobile operating system is better. With this much choice, I can't quite see subjecting myself to less freedom on OSX just yet, though that might admittedly be because I'm approaching the matter with a dwarfed perception and limited vision, no pun intended.But we're talking about completely different ideas here, different platforms with completely different aims. We're talking about a closed source platform that reinvented the way we use mobile devices and an open source platform that emerged nearly a whole year and some months later, first to compete with it, then branching off given its versatile linux core. So wide and diverse are the uses of the Android operating system that it branches off into countless variants that run on different devices that no longer possess the same type of functionality or feature set, devices that are not all even aimed at the same consumer markets. Apple's iOS is a system that, for all its differences, still resembles everything Apple has been building on since Apple has been building anything worth talking about, sharing frameworks with OSX to make the experience exceptionally similar so that the addition of voiceover later on provided nothing more or less than a gateway for anyone who had previously owned an Apple device the opportunity to simply jump on board and, for the rest of us who hadn't, ease and flexibility to get started, the same kind of ease and flexibility that had been available to mac users for awhile.Because of this, I hardly feel like the comparison we make between using computers with freedom and ease and using smartphones the same way is a valid one. Apple may not be leading in sales, but it's system is solid. It may not be installed on as many devices worldwide, but that alone doesn't make it less usable or less accessible, anymore than we can argue that Macs are less accessible than windows machines because they come with a completely different OS installed on them and have less following.We're split, and that's fine. We're different, and that's fine as well. You cannot, however, make me buy into something that just, isn't what you say it is because you say it is, anymore than I can make you buy into the idea that accessibility is not what you think it is, because in the end, accessibility is personal. I place my toothbrush in a cabinet; some people wear it around their nec k on a cord. Still others buy expensive jar looking things with holes drilled into them for the purpose of keeping their toothbrushes in, made of glass or some other such nonsense which seems like it might break as soon as you touch it, place the thing on the counter and I suppose they hope someone won't come along and knock it over. Perhaps they believe all of humanity is good deep down, or that everyone causes accidents and no one does anything inside their house on purpose or with malicious intent. So here's the deal, champs; you use your devices, I'll use mine! Let's just get along! :d URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246770#p246770 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor That is true, which leads me to my next point. TalkBack is open source, so it is even more disappointing that it isn't making sufficient progress. I still don't understand why third-party developers don't seem to be adding to it when Google doesn't seem to care enough. As far as Shine Plus, the fact that the developers don't speak English as a native language does get in the way, but again people could help with translation if they wish to see it improve. With that in mind, you have more options on Android than on iOS, which is why I am an Android user. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246757#p246757 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Thanks for clarifying.Sent from my iPhone URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246753#p246753 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor I honestly wouldn't mind a mac, if nothing else so I can say I've had one, though I happen to need something that does well with audio production things, and I know macs generally do. Even if I kept my windows machines for overall general browsing and whatever else it is I do nowadays, they don't build windows like they used to.And yes, I have to agree on the privacy front; the fact that Siri is listening to me at all times doesn't bother me as much as the idea that MS seems to never leave me alone; at least I can tell Siri to buzz off if I have to. Ever since windows 10 came out though, MS has seemed, er, intrusive? Maybe it always was and I just, didn't care, or didn't notice, or noticed and didn't care? Maybe there was some pride in the idea that I had to actually sit around and maintain my PC's on a regular basis, check them for viruses, deal with the registry, run around after spyware and addware and malware and ransomware and bloatware and whatever else it is that keeps a person from truly enjoyable and seemingly hassle free computing experiences. And yes, I'll say it again, maybe money. I'm not made of the stuff. :dI've gone down the linux road; good for various kinds of management and coding, but not for what I do on a regular basis, and that's what I think really matters. Maybe I'll throw everything out now and cry. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246716#p246716 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Yeah, Microsoft are clearly getting desperate: not only are they trying to privacy-rape you, they're now double-dipping those who've somehow managed to opt out of the Windows 10 nagfest who will actually have to pay to be privacy-raped. Between the spyware and the nagging, I've made my mind to stay on Mac OS and Windows XP for the foreseeable future. And I don't care if that makes me some kind of luddite, if for no other reason than that I clearly am. As for audio production, it's certainly being done among the blind, although it is not for myself a primary focus. I suggest you sign up for macvisionaries and/or AppleVis and ask your questions. I have a sound editor that I use for occasional cuts, called Amadeus Pro. Jonathan Mosen has a paid tutorial which I found very useful.I'm not going to pretend that Macs are perfect. They aren't. But, they're still on my desk and in my bag. Make of that what you will. I would love to hear your take on a Mac, if you ever get one. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246723#p246723 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor @Nocturnus: my experience says that the part most people switching have difficulty with is the web browsing. Undoubtedly, force of habit will ease the frustration, but there is no doubt that it's quite different. Still, as of Yosemite, a lot more Windows users can no longer claim the exclusive benefit that you can do web browsing just using the arrow keys; Apple have a focus tracking mode, so you can move the system caret and read by line, just as you do in Windows. It is not, I think, quite yet the preferred mode, but it covers you for cases where it is useful, for instance copy-pasting chunks of text or drilling down in a very long paragraph.And I completely understand your distinction between acceptance and delight. I too would love to live in an earlier age where things were, as far as possible for the time, optimal. There are certainly things to like and hate about both Windows and Mac, and both have ups and downs, with a distinct push in the direction towards mob ile devices contributing towards their downwards movement in recent times. It is, I think, only a matter of choosing the one which ultimately meets your needs, and gives you the most joy. For me, that is OS X, right now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246729#p246729 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor IN Lollipop, web views are now installed as a system service. So, you no longer need scripts to enhance access to them with screen readers like TalkBack. Though they are still not as robust as they are on iOS, they have improved since the introduction of explore by touch in Ice Cream Sandwich. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246749#p246749 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Yo,The discussion is driving into another direction, but anyway, speaking of two screen readers, Talkback and ShinePlus, the difference is not big, or, if you make a small research yourself, they are almost identical in terms of functionality.Talkback reads notifications automatically, for example, when a new message in mesenger or whatsapp has just arrived, while shineplus does not. ShinePlus does not support linear navigation, while talkback does. ShinePlus is faster, but the language used to formulate commands is very poor. Talkback may be slower, but it supports firefox and ShinePlus does not. ShinePlus has a very messy and crowded “command panel” but talkback has two context menus, very clear and easy to access. Moreover, talkback offers you the possibility to change gestures, for example, you can swipe (flik) left to right with one finger to open notifications where ShinePlus does not offer this.I used ShinePlus for three months or so, and the only thing I like is its speed and some other options inside the screen reader. However, the developers of it are Korean, so their English is extremely bad. I also joined the eyes-free group, and I realised that around 98% of the group didn’t understand the English that is used there. Since I study English academically, I was able to make sense of what was being said there so I could use the screen reader without any problem.All in all, in the end, you will not be able to choose between the two screen readers, since none of them will make up your mind, obviously for the above reasons I mentioned. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246754#p246754 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Nocturnus, I have to agree with you on the first part of your post where you say that it’s better having a single option that works flawlessly for you rather than having a number of options where none of them does the job like that single one does. As I told you in my previous post, an android user is not sure whether in the next update of his screen reader, he’ll be able to work with a part of the phone that he couldn’t before.You can enhance accessibility on android through some third-party applications but what about somebody who starts using it from the scratch. How on this earth can he know that there is an app on playstore called tel manager which can make it easy to answer and end your calls. How the heck can a beginner know that there’s a keyboard app on the playstore called blind accessibility keyboard which is totally designed for blind users. Is really sure an advanced user of android that a beginner knows that there is a certain launcher which is accessible and very flexible. I wonder if he even has any idea what a launcher is.But if I make these points to a crazy blind android fan, I will get massively yelled at, yes, just because I’m trying to explain what’s true and what is not. You say the problem is not android, but talkback, oh, hey, if you get on your hands both an android and an apple device, can you use any of them without a screen reader? We are blind and we must accept this. We should use something that works for us, not something that we should work for it. You cannot be a fan of Ferrari without being able to drive it.On the windows side, I wouldn’t agree with you, since windows has the worst accessibility of all public platforms. I could give credit to windows for funding companies like NV access to improve NVDA, but narrator can’t be even compared to any of the screen readers like Jaws or NVDA. Please, tell me, could you use Narrator on your daily basis, to log in to facebook, skype, write projects on microsoft word or powerpoint? Of course not! Because narrator takes more than 3 seconds to focus on a window, +it has a number of commands which are dam difficult to memorise and use. Would it be easier to read a paragraph or line by pressing ctrl+insert+F, or by pressing just up or down arrow. Wouldn’t it be more flexible to use H for headings or U for links, rather than pressing insert+left or right arrow to navigate to the place where you want on the internet.You can’t work with narrator, and from my experience, narrator is years worse than Talkback on android, isn’t it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246787#p246787 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Ah, nostalgia. It really does though, come down to choosing the lesser of two, or more, evils. I still have a vague suspicion that, in a few years time, all of this won't matter anymore. Apple is currently considering buying Time Warner, a move I hardly think makes any sense. While this alone may not actually bring about the downfall of a company that is worth forty something billion dollars, continuous moves of this nature might. MS? Well, I think the phrase, too little, too late may suffice here. It lost its original fan base long ago because it was unwilling to support its habits. It too is responsible for trying to muscle its way through the world of technology, using tactics like pushing IE as the overall best product and only product capable of rendering a website usable for so long. Now it's trying to shy away from the IE brand altogether, knowing that it's a lost cause. FF and Chrome are too far ahead tho ugh, and even Safari offers more stability where accessibility is concerned.As I've stated above though, Apple has been pretty good about revolutionizing things. The smartphone may not have been Apple's idea, but it certainly executed it nicely enough and set a standard for how devices of such nature should and would and could work. It's doing away with the floppy drive proved that it was time to go, and so on. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246730#p246730 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor To answer Sebby's question, Shine Plus is totally free and it's more flexible than TalkBack, so no one is stuck with TalkBack the way they are with VoiceOver on iOS. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246744#p246744 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor As Nocturnus says, he asked the question. But I'll respond anyway.@RTR_Assassin: no they're not, and that is indeed to Android's credit. Sadly though, at least when I tried it a couple of months back, you still need alternative views for doing fairly basic things, or scripts to make those views accessible. I don't mind if you're all right with having to limit yourself like that, but there is no way I could tolerate it. And yes, Nexus, of course. It's a 4, so with Lollipop is now starting to get really slow. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246746#p246746 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor lol Actually, it was my question. Far be it from me to let Sebby take heat for something I did. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246745#p246745 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Hi,It’s so sad that they’re doing this, but if the decision is made, hard it’ll be to change anything. I hate the fact that we will be forced to keep an extra cable, or whatever kind of bloody adaptors to use a pair of headphones. I’m planning to get an iPhone 6 or 6s because I’m leaving android for some time, maybe 2 or 3 years until such significant progress is made. Android is a great platform, but it lacks in accessibility, and therefore makes it somewhat unusable for us. I can use my phone to log in to facebook, skype, whatsapp, use youtube and other apps but still, talkback needs a great deal of improvements. When an update of 6 months ago or so was released, I got mad at developers who were feeling happy about two shitty worthless features they had introduced and the saddest point was that most of the people in the group were happy with them. Also, I had to deal with massive harsh responses who kept telling me that if you do not like android, go ahead an by a fucking iPhone! To be honest, I don’t want to lick ones ass by continuously bagging to the developers for adding new features to a screen reader. I hate pleasing to someone for something that I want. In this case you are in a state where you are not sure whether you’ll be able to make use of your phone in a certain area of it. For example, many people in the android world are frantically waiting to see the day when they will be able to exclusively use their devices on the internet because HTML navigation elements are not implemented yet. If I want a phone, I want it to work greatly in daily basis, I want that the screen reader built into it to be capable of accessing most or nearly all of phone’s areas. I don’t like getting distracted by a list of apps that will enhance accessibility on my device, + a number of tutorials which will explain to me that if I want to use this, I have to install that, because that cannot work without this.So, despite of my preference or hatred towards apple, I have to buy an iPhone because indeed, it is the only company that has truly invested time and effort on accessibility. I really do not like apple, (itunes is the most rational reason) and other restrictions of apple, and why not take into consideration money.It’s really sad that they cannot compromise with customers but instead do whatever their haughtiness tells them to do.Oh, don’t forget, we own 185 billion dollars mate, nobody will care of what you say. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246737#p246737 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Yes. Webviews still not being accessible is the most absolutely absurd and sad thing about the whole Android experience. It's an embarrassment! Honestly, I respect (some of) the principle objections Android users make about Apple, but seriously, you've got to come back down from the moon and take a long, hard look at Google's accessibility commitment. I know, I know, money. It doesn't change anything, I'm afraid. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246738#p246738 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor So, in essence, it comes down to buying yet another something to work with something. There really is no difference, unless you're here to tell me that Shine Plus is free?There is no one size fits all in the name of accessibility; that's my position on the matter and, as Sebby wisely pointed out in post 34, it really comes down to what you need and how you wish to use it. If you believe accessibility is up to you to discover as a consumer, more power to you. Admittedly, perhaps you don't view yourself as the average consumer, either, in which case this statement does not apply to you.And I? I'm a dad, a husband, a college student, a musician on the side who likes to write random posts about random things when he gets a random opportunity to randomly do it. My family comes first; my computers and phones come along later. I don't have the time I once did to mess around with tech and babysit it and be proud of i t as it matured. That's why I'm gravitating more toward apple at the moment. That's not to say Apple and iOS are better than Android for anyone, anyone other than myself, the average consumer. I'm willing to embrace, as I've pointed above, that the tides change all the time, but now's not the time, not yet, and I make that claim given the amount of iOS devices in the hands of blind individuals, including the ones I've helped set up over the past 6 years. The facts still holds, however, that when the devices come in the mail, one camp of consumers does little more than tap on their home buttons three times or plug straight into their computers and open iTunes to set up voiceover, while the other camp is looking for sighted assistance unless they've gone to some lengths to have store and or other service reps take care of that part for them.right now, I prefer machines running windows, not machines running OSX. ; Right now, I prefer using NVDA on my PC, not JAWS, not Windoweyes, and certainly not voiceover. right now, after a year of tangling with Android and various shells and its semi complicated gestures and the fact that yes, deny it all you want, some of its accessibility camp would love for it to feel more like iOS, I've grabbed up an iPhone 6s+, because that's what I have time for. Two hours after I unboxed and unwrapped it, I was satisfied, even though there's probably more I can still do.Android is not without perks though, nor will I ever claim that. I'll miss the fact that I could stay away from proprietary software and hardware for a whole year to do things that should be simple, things like charging, things like transferring music and ringtones, things like using whatever friggin speech synth I want, things like being able to shake my device and give it a simple command and watching it follow through with said command, rather than ha ving to holds down a button while I talk to my personal assistant or go into settings and toggle a feature on or off that'll spy on me for the duration of however long it stays on. It's not enough for me, however, and I think a year was a reasonable amount of time to reach that conclusion. Some day in the future, however distant or otherwise, I may give it yet another shot, because that's what I do. I try things. I like remaining open minded to change. Why this earphone jack business is bothering me right now has more to do with personal matters, such as the fact that I'm hearing impaired as well as being blind. Finding headphones and earbuds that work properly for me is hard enough. To know that I'm probably going to have to take an extra step is not welcome, anymore than it would be welcome to know that my favorite restaurants have given up their delivery services, or as unwelcome as the news that Amazon has appare ntly started tinkering with captchas. it's one more hurtle, one more effort, one more time i have to bite my tongue and refrain from using every German word in my limited arsenal. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246739#p246739 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor To all of you who think Apple is more accessible, I have to say that your experiences with Android vary due to many factors. First, different manufacturers preinstall bloatware on their devices, often making them complicated to use. Custom skins might look visually appealing, but to a blind user they don't do much. If you want Android to work for you as simply as possible, go with nexus devices. Stock Android is quite plain, but very easy to navigate.Secondly, people often make the comparison between VoiceOver and TalkBack and then reach the conclusion that iOS taken as a whole is more accessible. However, I think your issue really is with TalkBack itself. I have to admit that the TalkBack development team has been rather slow at implementing meaningful improvements into their updates. I have to say that the most recent release has been their best one in years, but there are still issues with web views and keyboard shortcuts are still lacking in many areas. However, I a lso tried Shine Plus and have to say that in many respects, it is superior to TalkBack. It has a command panel that allows users to change settings on their devices and offers shortcuts that allow for increasing and decreasing volume and speech rate, as well as navigation levels. The biggest difference between the two screen readers is that Shine Plus, like Spiel can be extended through scripts to work with applications that aren't accessible out of the box. So, it isn't Android, but the limitations of TalkBack that are discouraging many iPhone owners from switching.My final point is that this headphone jack issue is just a rumor. I don't agree with the move if it is indeed true, but a screenshot of the new device hasn't even been released, so there is no proof of this actually being the case. So, you can stick with your old phones, or take the plunge and dive into Android if you have enough courage. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246733#p246733 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor It'd be as honest as I can make it. I've only ever messed with one in an Apple store, which isn't enough to do the thing justice. I didn't care for the way things were done, but I've been using windows for the better part of 15 years now. Much like the concept of the iPhone which for me is more an acquired taste than a true, die hard preference owing to it being bundled with the concept of touchscreen devices, period, I know that unless I get at least a week with a mac I can't be honest. I might not be sold on it, but I could be persuaded to possibly use it as my primary computer. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246725#p246725 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Guahahaha! first accessibility, then the world! And so it was written that man took of the Apple and thus fell from grace! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246699#p246699 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor As Nocturnus says, he asked the question. But I'll respond anyway.@RTR_Assassin: no they're not, and that is indeed to Android's credit. Sadly though, at least when I tried it a couple of months back, you still need alternative views for doing fairly basic things, or scripts to make those views accessible. I don't mind if you're all right with having to limit yourself like that, but there is no way I could tolerate it. And yes, Nexus, of course. It's a 4, so with Lollipop is now starting to get really slow.Edit: I just did some additional research, and it now appears that at least some of my information on webviews may be out of date. I can't tell what, though, but there is some word of webviews being more responsive in Lollipop. But I certainly didn't notice the improvements. Someone on the eyes-free list specifically mentioned webviews using a different method than script injection too. Perhaps you can tell us what changed in 5? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246746#p246746 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Ah Slj, but don't forget that those connectors might be used to gasp! connect to a none apple device! noo! Much as I love Apple's accessibility, and inervative aps and useful functions, their restriction is annoying, then again it's just like anything else you have to put up with and work around it if you want it to work for you. Of course it would be nicer If Apple didn't do this, but that would require Apple actually caring about customer choice. All that being said, my brother has just got an Apple watch, and voiceover does apparently speak through it which would make it a massively useful thing for using satnavs and listening to other important functions from my Iphone, which would be handy indeed in many situations, so I'm certainly not anti everything Apple. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246564#p246564 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Yes, the loss of optical output on Apple TV sucks donkey balls for us because we now need to invest in an audio-visual splitter or receiver to avoid the need for an actual television, but to Apple's credit (yes, yes, I know, it's totally unfashionable to empathise with Apple's money-grabbing business practices, but still) it doesn't actually make sense to include a connector that very few sighted people would use anyway. Most home theatres use video pass-through on HDMI, so you go from Apple TV to AVR box to TV, which gives you full surround without SPDIF. Once again this is just shaving dead wood, and the people who notice it most are those discerning audiophiles with heavy investments in equipment and blind people, and not the other 99%. And yes it stinks. The irony is that the mini-toslink port is actually compatible with the 3.5 headphone jack, so they could even have extended support, but no, it's just one more expense we can do without, so it's gone.@Dark: oh yes please! A virus that can abolish the competition? Made by Apple you say? What? It costs a fortune and occasionally destroys Apple products too? Nonsense! It's made by Apple, it's all just vicious stories spread by haters and the product is perfect, therefore I must have it. Tell me where I can get it. Now!!! But seriously, my technology investments speak for themselves. If it costs real money and I'd mourn the loss of it, I don't buy into proprietary. Standard toslink for the stereo, not these iPod docks. You buy the docks separately, and wire them up using standard 3.5 connectors. I hope you don't think I'm that naive. Even if I do like Apple quite a lot. And yeah, silly legacy is right IMO. We need to move for ward, just not with closed protocols. Would you object to a digital path between your headset and phone if the connector was interoperable, and ideally back-compatible with your existing investment? I wouldn't. For Apple's faults, they do at least generally offer something to the consumer in exchange for their loyalty. Ditto for all the other silliness, like optical and/or floppy drives in laptops, serial/parallel replaced by USB, etc. It's important to be able to gnash your teeth and complain about the unfairness of it all, but I think it's important to understand that somebody has to lead the way; there's no consent decree before these things can happen, sadly. And yeah as far as headphones go it just means having two pairs rather than the one. If they're particularly good, and I get the mic included, or if they came in the box, well, I'd be fine with that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246626#p246626 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor I'm quite disappointed that the iPad Pro doesn't run a full version of OSX. Damn that would be awesome. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246672#p246672 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor The case on audio is easy to make, but it's evident of controlling what the user can use regarding audio output or even input.Ah, yes, thunderbolt. I forgot to include that in the equation. I knew I wasn't clarifying what I meant. Although aren't the latest MacBook's able to handle the new type-C USB cables for 3.1?Best Regards,Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246635#p246635 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor I think audio quality is a very easy case to make when you consider the crap put out by most Bluetooth devices, and the GSM buzz you hear on most cheap headsets. Speaking personally I'd love to have a market in DACs, and if Apple wants to get out of that space, why not let them? It would be ironic if the most successful manufacturer of consumer electronics to include a half-decent DAC were to exit, but yeah, as you said it won't really matter to most folk anyway.Not sure what you mean by "Capsules". Do you mean Time Capsule? That's just a NAS--you can use any other if you like. And of course Macs work with USB too, as well as the (far superior) Thunderbolt. Strangely, they don't yet support USB 3.1, but when they do, we'll all be aboard the same boat, we'll all have Thunderbolt, and everybody will see what a win it really is. Oh, and prices will come down for Mac users too, which will be very nice.Speaking of Mac, 3.5 port is s till on all my Macs. Either lightning becomes totally ubiquitous, or Apple are telling Mac users to go forth. I think the latter is much more probable, but then, the Macs all have mini-toslink anyway. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246634#p246634 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Apparently, the dual lightning port would enhance sound quality since it would allow for apple to build or, in this case, revamp how it treats audio on its device. I'm not sure precisely what I think about it, but I suppose that if this possibility holds true, we won't have long to wait.But I still don't believe I need a water proof phone, nor do I need a thinner one, for that matter. Oh well... I guess I can stick to my soon to be newly acquired iPhone 6s+ until, um, it bites the dust, and then I'll, uh, run out of excuses to do, whatever it is Apple wants me to do in the name of good accessibility. BLA! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246627#p246627 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor I think audio quality is a very easy case to make when you consider the crap put out by most Bluetooth devices, and the GSM buzz you hear on most cheap headsets. Speaking personally I'd love to have a market in DACs, and if Apple wants to get out of that space, why not let them? It would be ironic if the most successful manufacturer of consumer electronics to include a half-decent DAC were to exit, but yeah, as you said it won't really matter to most folk anyway.Not sure what you mean by "Capsules". Do you mean Time Capsule? That's just a NAS--you can use any other if you like. And of course Macs work with USB too, as well as the (far superior) Thunderbolt. Strangely, they don't yet support USB 3.1, but when they do, we'll all be aboard the same boat, we'll all have Thunderbolt, and everybody will see what a win it really is. Oh, and prices will come down for Mac users too, which will be very nice.Speaking of Mac, 3.5 port is s till on all my Macs. Either lightning because ubiquitous, or Apple are telling Mac users to go forth. I think the latter is much more probable, but then, the Macs all have mini-toslink anyway. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246634#p246634 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Yes, the loss of optical output on Apple TV sucks donkey balls for us because we now need to invest in an audio-visual splitter or receiver to avoid the need for an actual television, but to Apple's credit (yes, yes, I know, it's totally unfashionable to empathise with Apple's money-grabbing business practices, but still) it doesn't actually make sense to include a connector that very few sighted people would use anyway. Most home theatres use video pass-through on HDMI, so you go from Apple TV to AVR box to TV, which gives you full surround without SPDIF. Once again this is just shaving dead wood, and the people who notice it most are those discerning audiophiles with heavy investments in equipment and blind people, and not the other 99%. And yes it stinks. The irony is that the mini-toslink port is actually compatible with the 3.5 headphone jack, so they could even have extended support, but no, it's just one more expense we can do without, so it's gone.@Dark: oh yes please! A virus that can abolish the competition? Made by Apple you say? What? It costs a fortune and occasionally destroys Apple products too? Nonsense! It's made by Apple, it's all just vicious stories spread by haters and the product is perfect, therefore I must have it. Tell me where I can get it. Now!!! But seriously, my technology investments speak for themselves. If it costs real money and I'd mourn the loss of it, I don't buy into proprietary. Standard toslink for the stereo, not these iPod docks. You buy the docks separately, and wire them up using standard 3.5 connectors. I hope you don't think I'm that naive. Even if I do like Apple quite a lot. And yeah, silly legacy is right IMO. We need to move for ward, just not with closed protocols. Would you object to a digital path between your headset and phone if the connector was interoperable, and ideally back-compatible with your existing investment? I wouldn't. For Apple's faults, they do at least generally offer something to the consumer in exchange for their loyalty. Ditto for all the other silliness, like optical and/or floppy drives in laptops, serial/parallel replaced by USB, etc. It's important to be able to gnash your teeth and complain about the unfairness of it all, but I think it's also important to understand that somebody has to lead the way; there's no consent decree before these things can happen, sadly. And yeah as far as headphones go it just means having two pairs rather than the one. If they're particularly good, and I get the mic included, or if they came in the box, well, I'd be fine with that. Of course in doing so, I've just lost the game, because I paid the technology le vy, but meh. My non-Apple investment is still safe. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246626#p246626 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor I think it's still 3.0 for the MacBook with the type C connector, and that's the only notebook with that connector. Just like the original MacBook Air, it has only one port; even Google's Pixel has two. We've still got a way to go yet.To be honest though, I'm more worried that Apple are neglecting the Mac as a whole. Just give it a couple more years, and the iPad Pro will be all you need. Edit: you're right, USB 3.1, as per the new connector. But at 3.0 speeds (i.e. gen1 at 5 GBpS). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246640#p246640 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor I think it's still 3.0 for the MacBook with the type C connector, and that's the only notebook with that connector. Just like the original MacBook Air, it has only one port; even Google's Pixel has two. We've still got a way to go yet.To be honest though, I'm more worried that Apple are neglecting the Mac as a whole. Just give it a couple more years, and the iPad Pro will be all you need. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246640#p246640 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor I'm surprised they're using enhanced audio quality as a way to validate their removal of the 3.5mm jack. The average listener doesn't know good quality from bad quality, or what good and bad quality really are in the first place. So I'm not sure why that would play a role in this.Lightening speeds on Apple is actually much faster than any of the USB transfer rates I've seen. Of course you have to pay a hefty price for the capsules which are just stupid terms for harddrives that only connect to Macs.I've also heard rumor of Apple removing the home button, which would make it interesting on the accessibility front even beyond VO users. At least on Android, we have a home button virtually at the bottom of the screen that we can double tap to activate. However, Apple has the accessibility shortcut along with the app switcher. Hmmm...Best Regards,Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246633#p246633 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Well, if this rumor is true, then they'll make a lightning to minijack adapter.It wouldn't surprise me if they wanna remove the minijack. Apple are removing more and more connecters in all their products. The latest thing we saw was the opticle output on the Apple tv which got removed. This makes no sence because the new machine is bigger than the previous models. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246561#p246561 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor If you believe the answer is as simple as switching to Android, let me just say I beg to differ. While I can in fact point to advancements made in the accessibility department since I myself own an Android device and could just as easily shrug off these rumors, it's not all there yet and, because of the way Android works, it never will be. Apple's iOS, by virtue of how it was built and continues to be produced, has far more advantages to offer where voiceover is concerned. From the helpful hints it provides to new users to the fact that it works with most any ap in the app store that isn't just another graphics platform, it is the one screen reader I can honestly say survives through just about any test on its mobile platform. IN short, the average consumer is not interested on how much one can do with a screen reader, but how much a screen reader can do for them, and I believe this is how accessibility is supposed to work.Without tweek ing it, an iOS user can currently pick up an apple device and receive information straight away at a level that suffices very well for a beginner. Android cannot claim that functionality. without requiring external resources of help from any other software, voiceover provides a clean interface. Android users generally tend to gravitate toward shells to acquire that same kind of usage; I wonder why that might be. Without needing to make extra purchases, Apple provides a device, yes, with proprietary software included, which a blind or vision impaired user can accomplish most any daily task required of a smartphone. Android, once again, by nature of the many variable devices it runs on and how the sellers and or service providers may or may not decide to pepper said devices with their own brand and branded bloatware will provide diverse results.So, yes, fellow Android users, I'm sticking up for the Apple fanboys. I'm not convinced th at Android is an end all, be all to the accessibility issue. Is it worth checking into? Certainly, but we could say that about iOS, too. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246473#p246473 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Is it worth fretting about this rumor? Have any of the previous remors among these posts come true?From my experience, before the iPad Pro was officially declared to be released by Apple last year, the preceeding majority of rumors were false - from the name to it's functionality. Towards that declaration, however, more information was released and therefore validated simple rumors.I firmly believe this most likely isn't true. Have Apple's consumers pushed for a thinner phone? As far as I'm concerned, the relatively thin iPhone 6 was flexible enough to be bent.There also comes a question of prioritization within processing power, battery life, and ultimately what the average user wants. If you sacrifice size for portability, quite obviously these factors decrease. Bare in mind though, that the phones are increasingly getting bigger in length.If this jack is actually being removed from future device s on the phone line of things, then it would really either:1. Say something about the use of Bluetooth headsets and the average consumption of wired headphones.2. Say something about Apple. Why do this? It can't be just to make it thinner. That's both not efficient and beneficial to anyone using their products.Best Regards,Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246489#p246489 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor "silly legacy" not for people who want to play their Iphones and other devices thorugh any standard set of audio speakers methinks, not to mention many highly dedicated earphones (I used to use my Iphone through my sanheisa momentums). That isnt' to say logic will get in the way of Apple's grab for domination, and of course the cultists of apple would be fine with that sinse Apple has some people conditioned to accept anything, heck there would probably be people out there who would accept all Apple products coming with a self replicating virus that sought out and destroyed anything made by microsoft or google or any other competiter within the vicinity of any working apple product . Still as you said Sebby, an adapter would be one of the first accessories to appear I think, so meh. On a personal level I will say sinse I decided to rid myself of the evils of Itunes, a separate set of earbuds for my Iphone wouldn't bother me as much, it'd just be an extra thing to carryy around, which would be a pain, but hay I already have the Victor stream to carry in addition to the Iphone because of my dislike of Apple's tyrrany so it wouldn't be too big a deal. As usual, Apple tries to put people in boxes and the intelligent ones will just take what they want and leave the rest, the problem is all the less intelligent ones who just take what almighty apple gives and like it, and thank Apple for taking away all those pointless choices, but such is the modern world. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246525#p246525 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor More reason why I switch to android. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246526#p246526 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor hi all i m fine with nexus and k n f b i don't think that an i phone is must for people like usso if it comes to be true u all can switch to android and breath in the open air rather then a close garden URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246464#p246464 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor As far as I know, it is still a roomer. Even if they do away with the head phone jack, they can only make it so thin. At some point it really begins to affect the battery life. If you really think about it, the head phone jack is in fact smaller than the USB jack on the phone. This roomer has been flying around for a little while now. On the other hand, I can see apple getting rid of the head phone jack in the name of design. After all, the fewer holes in the case, the better right? I do wonder if this would be a mistake for apple in the end. Then again, you might start seein endroid phones without headphone jacks before you know it. LOL. As for the roomer, we really won't know how close to the truth it is for sure until it happens, and by then, it would be to late to force a change right? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246468#p246468 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor This wouldn't surprise me, indeed when seeing several proprietory sets of headphones which, though they connected through the standard 3.5 mm jack lacked the ring connectors to work with any other device I did wonder how long it'd be before Apple made this sort of move, as they already have done with transforming usb internal jacks into lightning (a cool name for a crappy thing). However equally, I bet the second this happens someone will produce some sort of 3.5 mm to Apple jack, so in the end it'll be no big deal, just yet more attempts by Apple to restrict people to the little world of Apple which will be met with the same response as usual, ie, go along as much as it seems doable, and go outside the apple box whenever it isn't. Silly corporate thinking and more totalitarian idiocy, but not anything new or surprising, (I've expressed my thoughts on itunes elsewhere). heck on the thin issue I personally have an Iphone 5 with the surviver case, and I prefer! the fact there is something to get hold of. All that being said, I did once hear a rumour that not all rumours are true! I know, amazing! . In the end Apple will do whatever Apple bloody well wants and will listen to nobody, and we will have to get around or put up with it, take the good, leave the bad, and ignore the Apple box as much as possible. Certainly even if this does happen I don't see it as a reason for switching to Android or boycotting the Iphone or anything like that, sinse restrictions and annoyences and stupidities aside, the Iphone has a huge amount of plusses as Nocturnus already said. Not that I can really speak on ANdroid never having tried it, but it was always the ease of use and large number of available aps that attracted me to Ios in the first place. I might investigate an ANdroid tablet as another device at some point in the future if Android ends up getting aps and functions unavailable on Ios I might want to play with, though I haven't seen much that attracts me to the platform as yet other than the fact it's not owned by Apple . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246495#p246495 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor When I first read about this, my response was to simply reject it as clearly false. There is no logical reason for doing this to make the phone thinner: there are already thinner products that include the standard 3.5 jack, including Apple's own iPod. So if Apple is doing it at all, then it's about the money, plain and simple.Having said this, I was very nearly considering purchasing some new headphones for the indoors and outdoors, so this news didn't move me as much as it could have, or perhaps as much as it should have. After all, if there were to be an adaptor, I would buy it. And if the headphones that were to become available came from a reputable supplier and included the lightning connector, then aside from my principle objections of interoperability, it would be hard for me to deny the benefit of owning a combined headset and DAC if the phone really could get thinner and I didn't intend on using the cans elsewhere, so I'd probably end up bu ying it. I really would prefer that if we did move forward, we moved with open standards, but there's no denying that Apple has an exceptional accessory market, and if the only reason we now have a 3.5 mm port is simply a legacy, then it is up to Apple to abolish it just as it has every other silly legacy that has gone before. I hate it, it's painful, but if Apple turns out to be right, it's going to be hard to resist or avoid the trend. Indeed I wonder how other manufacturers are responding to this rumour. I hope they see sense, and stay firm, and do not allow the market to fragment for Apple's sake. But I can well imagine that not happening. You know how it is with Apple and setting the pace. They will find some ingenious way to make people prefer this closed standard as somehow superior. Ugh!We shall just have to see how it plays out. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246503#p246503 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Apple: The Unsettling Rumor
Apple: The Unsettling Rumor In the grand scope of things, Apple has always been fairly reasonable when doing away with technology that is outdated, obsolete, idiotic and exceptionally redundant. Today though, I find myself in quite a bit of discomfort as disquieting rumors regarding the next iPhone surface from fairly notable, credible sources. If you don't care much for ZDNet, CNET or Mashable, you might choose to trust Mac Rumours, Apple Insider, cult of mac, and so on, which are all reporting the same thing, the same thing in this case being that the headphone jack is about to be scrapped.Why? To make the iPhone thinner. It is a compromise Apple seems to believe will not affect the general public's overall perception or performance. forget the standard; throw away the traditional! That 3.5mm jack is just, too much to deal with and preventing us from making a thinner device!Two possibilities exist where audio connectivity and the iPhone is con cerned if any of this nonsense is true, the first being an extra adapter that would plug into that infamous lightning port. This already presents some interesting issues. Because there is nothing traditional about such a connection, apple would reserve the right to charge you extra every time you lose such an adapter. Moreover, unless they are interested in building two lightning ports into their device, this also means that you could not charge it and listen to it via headphones/earphones at the same time. forget sleeping with your favorite radio app and a comfortable fitting pair of skullcandy earbuds or an analog speaker you've fallen in love with.The second possibility is just as if not more frightening and supported by still more information trickling out from above mentioned sources. Apple is filing for a patent on technology called AirPods, possibly a term coined from the ever wondrous earpods, possibly linked to providing audio wirele ssly from their devices to such pods. What kind of protocol will they be using? Goodness only knows, but here again is the push to use proprietary technology to accomplish something if it uses anything other than standard protocols such as bluetooth, meaning you can kiss your favorite pair of headphones goodbye or get used to carrying around two pairs. if it does use bluetooth, embrace the difference latency will subject you to. There's no way we'll ever be able to zip around on our iPhones with voiceover the same way again, because no matter what the general consensus or feeling might be on bluetooth and audio, the fact is that latency and a drop in quality still exists, no matter what headset you are using. if you can correct me, please feel free to do so, and point me to the link where you found your amazing earphones in the process with bluetooth capability. I'll gladly edit this post to include that information since I do believe it's needed.If you want to take into consideration that Apple has filed for a patent on a smaller, proprietary, nontraditional, nonstandard headphone jack, I suppose a third possibility exists. What I believe we can safely conclude from all of the above is that Apple has its eye on the headphone jack, the culprit that is preventing them from shrinking down their devices as far as they're concerned. Does this concern you? Upset you? Anger you? Frighten you? Do you know anyone who might be affected by it? I know I will, which is why I'm bringing it to your attention. While all of this is mere speculation, the fact is that time will go by much more quickly than we can imagine and before long the new iPhone will be here. Maybe it'll show up with one of the three outlined possibilities, and if it does, reversing Apple's decision on the matter is going to take some time, perhaps as much as yet an other year, in fact. Perhaps the decision has already been made, but if any chance exists that it hasn't, now, not later is the time to start raving about it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246393#p246393 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Yeah, like they need a thinner phone. The 6s is honestly thin enough. I don't think it's really worth it. I feel like this will be a rather risky, ill-advised business decision because most of the people these days use corded earbuds/headphones. If you lose that crowd, you lose most of your customers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246408#p246408 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor THis is android's chance to gain some ground, although this most certainly isn't a good move and I am not impressed in the least. Who needs a thinner phone? Honestly, it's all about thinness, being tiny, and all that these days, when we all did perfectly fine with netbooks just years ago, and still do. Then again, in an almost entirely smartphone driven generation, it's no surprise. While you can get a b-tunes bluetooth headphone receiver to connect your analog headphones to, that is $100 way too expensive, and it isn't lossless. And seriously, $100 for that? You can get a basic usb soundcard with an input and an output port for about $8! Bluetooth does not need to drive the price up that high. Well, I suggest people petition all over change.org for this to not happen. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246416#p246416 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor My nexus has a anice curbe on the sides with makes for a bit more of a grip. Iphone? Way too slippery without a case. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246424#p246424 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor In addition to the "head phone jack" most likely disappearing, I quote the following paragraph from this article from Android Authority:Apple has successfully been pressured by several European telecommunications companies to make it easier to switch from iOS to Android, according to a senior industry source speaking with The Telegraph. Apple has reportedly agreed to create a tool to make the transition from an iPhone to an Android device simpler and easier for customers.And if that's not enough, and even worse since its not a "roomer," Apple's Factories In China Are Taking A Vacation, And That's Not A Good Sign URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246425#p246425 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor I have heart about These rumors too. I still have an IPhone 5. I am planning to upgrade, but I wanted to wait until march. As far as I know, they are planning to release an IPhone 6C. Depending on it's Features, I will decide, if I will get a 6C or a 6S. If they are really removing the headphone port, this will probably be my last IPhone. I guess, it's time, to pay a bit more Attention to Android. It is just a bit sad, sinse there are some apps, which don't exist for Android. Blindsquare, for example. And I am not sure, if all the scanning apps exist in the Android Appstore either... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246446#p246446 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor man the iPhones are too damn thin, I like something with a little beef to it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246418#p246418 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor
Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor Apple recently clarified that the rumored Move to Android app is false URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246430#p246430 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Apple: The Unsettling Rumor And honestly, why would they make that kind of app anyway? And the rumors fly again. Yes, they made a switch from android to iphone app, but, duh, that's for switchingt o an iphone. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246431#p246431 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
