Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I'm nicer about it because I'd like that to change, not for her specifically, but for anybody. So I'm taking my own advice. You've got to make the damn argument. Now people have seen my reasoning, they can agree or disagree or ignore it or print it out and make a fancy origami hat with it. I've not only given reasoning,I've given actual evidence of how and why it works, oh speaking of which, he's another one I missed.https://www.cracked.com/personal-experi … it-up.htmlYou can also put marriage equality and trans issues in here, a big reason the stance on marriage equality changed, now the majority is in favor of it, is because lots of people got to know gay people. Sure, it took the courts to implement it in some cases, but US courts at least tend to go by the culture, in other words, they don't necessarily want to make huge changes opposed by a majority of the population. That's not to say they won't, as such, I'm just saying, it's a factor that shouldn't be ignored. I know right now trans issues are really playing catch up to marriage equality. But it's my view that, handled properly, they'll get to the same place we're at now with marriage equality. So I mean, I think we're talking about really important stuff here, and it's worth digging into a bit to see what works and what doesn't, you know? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607073/#p607073 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Nah I agree with you man. Haily isn't helping at all, she's just venting and causing more problems. I'm willing to say it outright even if you're nicer about it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607032/#p607032 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Sure. Like I said, I get it. I wasn't being sarcastic at all. But to me, it's like wanting to punch somebody in the face. We all have impulses like that from time to time, but they don't really end up in any kind of good place.Let me give a quick example of what I'm talking about. Remember Trump's Access Hollywood tape? His excuse was "that's locker room talk". That's what a lot of his supporters said. People not only freaked out about that, when some Republicans said they wouldn't want that done ti their wife or daughter or sister, I saw people on Facebook yelling about how they shouldn't need a wife or daughter or sister, they should just know that you don't treat women that way. The locker room talk people were idiots who just didn't get it.So here we have people who are coming to the same conclusion, what Trump said was bad, but they're getting yelled at because they didn't come to it in the right way. That's bad enough, but then we have the other part. Here's how I look at it. If you just point at the locker room talk people and go "idiots who don't know any better", guess what? At the end of the day, they're still going to be those same people who don't get it, because you couldn't be bothered to make an argument or try and explain it to them. Now, should we do that every time? No.For example, we might not have the time. We might not have the energy at any given moment. We may decide this person just isn't reachable. That's fine, as a personal decision. But I think the more we can do that, the more we can try to meet people where they are, the more we can potentially get them to at least understand where we're coming from. But people will say, "but Khomus, these people are totally unreachable, they're racists and Q people and gh"! I'd like to offer a response to that with this article.https://www.cracked.com/personal-experi … -nazi.htmlMaybe you think racists aren't extreme enough. We'll get there, but first, have a video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1OaezwI know, you are thinking to yourself, "Khomus that's a cool video and all, but that's just more racists! You said there would be other stuff"! Well, how about a terrorist?https://www.cracked.com/personal-experi … orist.htmlHere's some more from said former terrorist, and a would-be school shooter to boot.https://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons- … you-think/My point with all of these articles and the video is this. If these people, the people we think of as extremists, people who join organizations devoted to dehumanization, people who have killed, if these people can be reached? Sorry, I know it's hard, and it's not magic that works every single time. But you've just lost your excuse for not talking to that crazy family member. Yes, it's slow. Yes, it might not always work.There are no guarantees. But from the evidence I've seen, see above for examples, this is what works, not whipping out your sexy sexy facts and waving them in people's faces because you think they've never seen them before, and now that they've seen your great big facts, they'll surely see the light and think in the right way now. As somebody on a BBS I'm on put it, "they've all seen the facts". Liberals in particular, in America anyway, have taken to being really smug and essentially assuming that anybody who doesn't think like them is either uneducated, so if they just get the proper facts they'll see the obvious rightness of the liberal view, or they're too dumb to understand the facts, or they're willfully ignorant.Not every liberal obviously, hell I'm pretty liberal and I'm writing a whole novel about not doing this. But in general, what you get is a lot of mockery and attempts to pwn the hick rednecks, rather than the assumption that they're people just like you who hold a different view, however incorrect you think it is. And understand, Stuff like the views of the KKK are 100% objectively incorrect, no doubt about it. But just yelling at them about how dumb and wrong and backward they are ain't gonna change any hearts and minds. They believe that stuff for a reason. It's doing something for them. Sometimes maybe all we can do is stop them with force, e.g. the IRA terrorist. But that shouldn't be the only thing we do, by any means. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606931/#p606931 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @khomusThat's how I try to approach it as well, but it can be hard at times. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606922/#p606922 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Haily:I get the impulse to shut people down with your facts and righteous truth. I really do. The problem is, what that tends to do is make people defensive and then they dig in even harder. Me, I think this stuff should stop. So if some Q person is yelling about how we need a revolution, if you just go "yeah whatever idiot", or just go "here's A B C and D that shows why you're wrong, you moron", then they're just going to write you off as a libtard cuck snoeflake.What I'd do is try to understand what's behind it. I don't mean Q, that's obvious of course. But look, these people believe in things like Q for a reason. It's doing something for them. I'll admit, I have a hard time understanding what that is, because I'd think it would have to make you think that all of the global forces of evil are aimed directly at you and possibly your family, because now you know what they don't want you to. I don't see what constantly being afraid like that does for somebody. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they don't feel that way.But again, it's doing something for them, or they wouldn't believe it. To me, I don't think you should look at this as "I'm totally right and you're totally wrong". Let me put it this way. Liberals have been yelling facts at these people for years. How's that been working? I'm not saying you shouldn't bring up facts, or that you shouldn't tell somebody you think a thing is wrong. I'm saying you treat them as a human being, have empathy for them, find some stuff you agree on, yes it's there, and then have actual dialogue with them. Don't treat them as dumb brainwashed idiots who are too stupid to breathe. Because while it's satisfying to be all self-righteous and punch them in the face with the truth, it just makes them more of whatever they are, not less. And we should be trying to do the opposite, to make them see that stuff like storming the capitol has real human consequences that are bad, and maybe they really want to think before doing something like that. The alternative is that we just see them as wrongness personified and beat them in the face with our facts some more. But again, how's that been working out for us? Not too great. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606869/#p606869 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @QueenslightIN the first post it says"Today, the Twitter trust and safety team decided to ban former President Donald Trump for allegedly "glorifying violence" after the tragedy that occurred at the capital building."So it is pretty related.As for not getting political, you already did that by insinuating that people wouldn't care about a black man being executed.You derailed the topic, plain and simple. But lets just move on now, and maybe make another thread if we really want to talk about this in depth. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606752/#p606752 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @61Two things:1. quoting myself, I said "separate thread."2. BBC's News Day reported it first at 2AM Mountain time. NPR's Morning Addition didn't report it till at least 4 AM Mountain (unless they mentioned it exclusively on the radio and not Twitter).Judging by the responses mentioned already here, making a separate thread for a woman executed vs talking about a man being executed with the same problem, wouldn't have mattered (let alone a black man).By the way, I ain't going into politics here, but mentioning Trump on Twitter completely threw off this thread's original purpose. Have a great day folks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606712/#p606712 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Agreed with 60. The crimes she commited were horific. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606709/#p606709 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? That has nothing to do with this thread. Also, it was reported here. On NPR at the least. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606705/#p606705 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
2021-01-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Sounds like she got what she deserved. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606703/#p606703 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Ugg. I heard about that yesterday. Totally fucking disgusting. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606688/#p606688 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I'll tell ya one thing which was lost among the craziness from Wednesday's mess (which the BBC World Service broke the news and the US pretty much ignored): Lisa Montgomery: US executes only woman on federal death rowMe wonders if a separate thread should be made on the above, mainly so it doesn't get mixed up with the wrong thoughts in here.PS. The above was thanks to the BBC World Service Twitter page, found at https://twitter.com/bbcworldservice URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606686/#p606686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I'll tell ya one thing which was lost among the craziness from Wednesday's mess (which the BBC World Service broke the news and the US pretty much ignored): Lisa Montgomery: US executes only woman on federal death rowMe wonders if a separate thread should be made on the above, mainly so it doesn't get mixed up with the wrong thoughts in here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606686/#p606686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Yeah, I'll fully admit the way I tend to approach this sort of thing isn't exactly constructive, mainly because I'm not actually trying to convert anyone. I'm just trying to shut them down, make it known that the bullshit they're spreading around is exactly that. There are a few exceptions, people such as Chris who I have genuine sympathy for. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606671/#p606671 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? So apparently, Parler actually broke the AWS TOS several times and had months of warnings before getting deplatformed by Amazon. I guess they just saw the capital riots as the final straw, sort of like Trump and Twitter.https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/202 … t-threats/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606653/#p606653 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Huh. I could maybe do a podcast. I'm trying to save Youtube for music and some games maybe.Thanks. I appreciate it because yeah, I try to kind of make things funny, I mean not that I won't be serious, but I figure look, I'm just putting my thoughts out you know? I'm not trying to convert people, I'm just saying, here's the way I think about this. You know people are having a big problem now, they want to know how to change people's minds, and I get that. But the way they want to do it is they want to just come at people. They feel that if they go "you're wrong and this is how wrong you are you idiot", then they'll see that they're obviously wrong, and they'll change their way of thinking. But everybody thinks their stuff is obvious you know?So I figure look, I'm going to say my stuff, and maybe try to make it a bit funny so even if you disagree with me it's not an attack. Because I look at it this way. You never know how you're going to affect people. You take something like gay marriage. Some people were against it, but then they met gay people, often in their family, and they changed their mind. I figure if I don't just come at people, something I don't always achieve, I never know if three years later, somebody's going to see something and go, "oh, so that's what he meant about how nobody cares about statues", and maybe that will give them something to think about, whether it's literally statues or some other issue. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606642/#p606642 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @khomusI like you. I like you allot.Even if you were saying something I didn't agree with, I think that the even handed but amusing way you talk about this kind of thing is a real skill. Maybe you should write or do podcasts/youtube on the side, I think people would like your outlook. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606576/#p606576 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Redfox: Yeah. I mean look, I think violence is dumb, although I will say I do not give a good gods damn about the statues, I'll get to those in a minute. But I mean, I understand it, you know? Even the people storming the capitol. I get, on an intellectual level, that if you have Trump telling you for months and months that the election will be stolen, and also you think he's the one that's going to save us from a world-girding conspiracy of Satanic pedophiles, and suddenly we're down to the last thing, which is Pence ignoring the Electoral College votes and making the states have a do-over, again something he literally can't do, and then he fails to do it? Well, what did you expect would happen? I understand why these people are pissed off, I just don't agree with them at all and don't understand them at all on another level, because it's all stuff they've manufactured. Seriously if you've never looked into what Q believes, check out the intro episode of the QAnon Anonymous podcast. It is crazy stuff.Now back to BLM. Again, I think violence is dumb. But it's dumb because it doesn't really accomplish anything. We have stuff to look back on, notably the civil rights era and the protests of the 1960s. Street protests didn't really accomplish much, it was the non-violent demonstrations and the courts and such that got stuff to change. So I mean, to me, it's just not an effective way to achieve what you want to achieve, you know? But BLM *mostly* damaged property and didn't try to stop our entire country's government, and I think that's a pretty important difference.And look, and here's where the statues come in, some of the outrage against BLM is bullshit. I will prove it to you with something completely unrelated to BLM or violence or any of that. What do people in the US do to celebrate Columbus Day? I'll tell you what they do. By and large, absolutely nothing whatsoever. Oh some people might get the day off. You might find a parade here and there. But mostly, like President's Day, it's a time for places like mattress stores to fire up another mess of sales ads.But let somebody suggest that maybe changing it to Native American Day or Indigenous Peoples' Day might be better, and watch a certain segment of the population freak right the hell out, even though they didn't care about it for the last fifty years. It's like horse racing, nobody cares about that either. Do you know how I know this? Because the only time I hear about horse racing is one day a year, when everybody and their brother wants to tell me that Neodymium And Glass Paperweight or Faerie-proof Contraption or Maximillian PlunderPants, or whatever ridiculously-named horse just won the Kentucky Durby.Same thing with statues basically. People start saying "hey maybe that statue of General Dickface who owned three hundred slaves should come down' or "maybe stop flying the Confederate Flag everywhere", and some people start freaking out, even though they've all probably walked past that statue for the last twelve years and haven't even seen it. They have no idea who it represents, or why it's there. And when people point out that most of these statues were put up in the early 1900s as a display of white power and intimidation, then we get "but our history"!Yeah, except here's the thing. You're not sending school kids to the park to read the plaque that tells you all about Gen. Dickface. Partially that's because those plaques don't really tell you much, but mostly, it's because nobody gives a good gods damn about statues. I mean until you want to tear them down or replace them with something that's way more sensible and way less racist. Then suddenly, and all of a sudden, a chunk of the population pitches a fit, as though that statue is the thing that brought their entire town into existence and sustains it, and if you remove it, they'll all die or something. So I mean, sure, tearing down statues is technically property damage. But it's property damage I don't really care about, and neither does anybody else really. If they did, they would have cared about the property to begin with, and I've just clearly demonstrated that they in fact didn't care one little bit.So any violence resulting in death? Horrible. I condemn it outright. Things like burning police stations? I condemn it, but I kind of see where they're coming from too. Attacking and trying to overthrow the government? That's a big giant hell no. Destruction of statues? Don't care. I'd be fine if every statue disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow, and so would everybody else. I mean except for the cool ancient ones, and maybe the Indian god statues and stuff like that. Those are cool, and they can stay. But J. Random idiot on a horse in a park? Racist or not, they could all go away and it wouldn't change our lives one tiny little bit. So I mean, I just try to look at stuff like that and se
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Substitutes for Big TechI am not sure about the accessibility of these, because some will be better than others. But be patient. As you can imagine, they are getting swamped with new members, and I'm sure they'll get things sorted out soon.Twitter - Gab or ParlerFacebook - Telegram or Mewe (I may have spelled the last one wrong, getting a lot of info quickly.)Google - Duckduckgo (fully accessible)YouTube - RumbleAmazon - not sure yet but searching URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606405/#p606405 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
2021-01-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Lol if Pelosi were actually dead, I'd have a field day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606382/#p606382 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @khomus, see? Teach people how to present information like this, this is how you do it. I only really started taking any semblance of an interest in politics from the start of 2019 or so, so my whole view has shifted dramatically several times. As I am now, I udderly refuse to be labeled as any political parties, because they all have insane crackheads who do and say crazy shit. I mean hell, before the capital storm, I was what I think would loosely be determined yo be a Libertarian. But a lot of the reason I refused to even associate with anything left was basically because of BLM. I saw a lot of the coverage about them, and how much damage it looked like there movement was doing, and it jus tmade me mad. But the way you explain it... I don't think I'll ever agree with BLM, but I feel like I can at least... I don't know... understand there motives more. I do wish that humans weren't such violence driven creatures, though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606361/#p606361 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Haily, I'm confused, and this may be the late hour mixed with generally not knowing much information about a lot of these incidents, but.You wrote:It should also be noted that the majority of business owners in America, including small ones, are white. Also, there is a massive black population over there.Why is this relevant? I get that this is a whole race thing, and I really hope that I'm wrong here, but honestly the first explanation for this was that you were saying these businesses were being torched, because they were white owned? And that was ok? As I said, I really hope they're wrong.@khomus, see? Teach people how to present information like this, this is how you do it. I only really started taking any semblance of an interest in politics from the start of 2019 or so, so my whole view has shifted dramatically several times. As I am now, I udderly refuse to be labeled as any political parties, because they all have insane crackheads who do and say crazy shit. I mean hell, before the capital storm, I was what I think would loosely be determined yo be a Libertarian. But a lot of the reason I refused to even associate with anything left was basically because of BLM. I saw a lot of the coverage about them, and how much damage it looked like there movement was doing, and it jus tmade me mad. But the way you explain it... I don't think I'll ever agree with BLM, but I feel like I can at least... I don't know... understand there motives more. I do wish that humans weren't such violence driven creatures, though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606361/#p606361 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Haily, I'm confused, and this may be the late hour mixed with generally not knowing much information about a lot of these incidents, but.[quote =You]It should also be noted that the majority of business owners in America, including small ones, are white. Also, there is a massive black population over there.[/quore]Why is this relevant? I get that this is a whole race thing, and I really hope that I'm wrong here, but honestly the first explanation for this was that you were saying these businesses were being torched, because they were white owned? And that was ok? As I said, I really hope they're wrong.@khomus, see? Teach people how to present information like this, this is how you do it. I only really started taking any semblance of an interest in politics from the start of 2019 or so, so my whole view has shifted dramatically several times. As I am now, I udderly refuse to be labeled as any political parties, because they all have insane crackheads who do and say crazy shit. I mean hell, before the capital storm, I was what I think would loosely be determined yo be a Libertarian. But a lot of the reason I refused to even associate with anything left was basically because of BLM. I saw a lot of the coverage about them, and how much damage it looked like there movement was doing, and it jus tmade me mad. But the way you explain it... I don't think I'll ever agree with BLM, but I feel like I can at least... I don't know... understand there motives more. I do wish that humans weren't such violence driven creatures, though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606361/#p606361 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? To be fair, *some* of BLM does that stuff, same with the Trump protestors.But you've got to be careful with that too. Here we had, in the first day or two, a group break off from the majority of the protestors that caused a bunch of damage. They were denounced by the rest of the protestors and protestors would show up the next day to help clean up.We had protests for weeks and they were pretty much all peaceful, except for the incidents in the first couple of days. But our local news would lead ads mentioning protest coverage off with a cop car on fire. Again, that happened three weeks to a month before. It happened once. But for the news, that shit was forever.I think for me the big difference is this. Yes, rioting, indeed violence period, is IMO never the answer. But for BLM, here's the situation. They've been saying for years black people have been getting screwed over and killed by the police. Everybody mostly shrugged and went, "nah, the police are here to help"! Then we started seeing cellphone footage. Unarmed dudes getting shot in the back while running away, a guy informing the cops he had a legally permitted gun and getting killed, a 12 year old kid getting killed for having a toy gun like five seconds after the cops showed up, and so on. We're literally seeing people get murdered on national TV. And still, we, by which I mean white people, are still kind of like "yeah but that cop had a really hard day". I'm not saying I condone rioting, I'm just saying, I sort of understand being pissed off that now you have direct evidence, and you're still going "eh, whatevs".Contrast this with the idiots storming the capitol last week. They all think VP Pence should have done something he literally couldn't have done. If you don't know anything about QAnon, feel free to look into them, and good holy gods get ready to be shot in the face by a fire hose of batshit insanity. I mean some of them believe that VP Pence and Nancy Pelosi are dead, and any media appearances are deep fake CGI constructs. There's aliens involved somewhere. Cannibalism of babies. I mean, it's just complete and utter lunacy because it pretty much takes every conspiracy theory you've ever heard of and crams them into a big giant ball of dumbness. I mean it's just based on absolutely nothing whatsoever except the idiotic fever dreams these people are coming up with in their own heads.I said that they all believed Pence should have done something he literally couldn't do, in other words throw out the electors and send it back to the states to get new ones, because not everybody who stormed the capitol last week was QAnon. But there were a *lot* of Q people there.So for me, while I don't agree with the rioting, what I will say is that when you get angry, you sometimes do irrational things. The difference is that BLM has something to actually be angry about. The Q people, and the other assorted dumbasses who stormed the capitol last week, are literally angry about a bunch of completely made-up bullshit that's entirely divorced from anything remotely connected with reality. Also, BLM didn't try to take over the national government or threaten to murder the officials of said government. That doesn't make the violent stuff they did right. I'm just saying, it's kind of on a different level from what happened last week, which was the attempted subversion of our entire republic because some dipshits think that Nancy Pelosi kills babies for their brain chemicals so she can become or remain immortal, I'm honestly not clear on exactly what's supposed to be happening there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606342/#p606342 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Oh, yeah, people definitely died at the hands of BLM. That's the thing with riots. Remember that 1 saying from We're Alive: Lockdown?What you've gotta think though is this. A hole bunch of people actually witnessed this policeman murdering George Floid, it was also streamed live to facebook. A few million people heard about it in realtime, right as it became immediately obvious that the people involved in the murder were not being taken to task, as they weren't at that point. *huge ass fucking riots*. Then, *insert inflammatory Trump tweet here, everyone loses even more of their shit because of course, what do you honestly think is gonna happen?It should also be noted that the majority of business owners in America, including small ones, are white. Also, there is a massive black population over there.But here's the other thing. However much harm those guys caused, they never broke into government property. Ever. Not federal anyway, I'm not sure if state governments were sabotaged, but you get the idea. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606337/#p606337 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I suppose my sentence structure was misleading, that's my fault. I meant death just as things they have caused. If you really want I can go and try to find some article, but I hope you won't tell me that noone has died. A quick Google Search showed the featured result at 19 deaths, I didn't do any research on injuries.I'm not against the idea of Black Lives Matter, but their methods are destructive and harmful to upstanding members of society. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606334/#p606334 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Oh, I dunno. Maybe the same reason people are protesting in the first place?Also, right, you mentioned lots of deaths. You failed to actually sight sources backing up said deaths. And, again, the majority of the protests weren't even riots, they were peaceful protests turned into very much not peaceful GTFO events by the police. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606330/#p606330 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @44, yes, that's a good point, I was over interpretting your post.@haily_merry, I mean... that doesn't mean they're not causing deaths. I also never said that the article had all of the points I offered, just sighted it for one, particularly damages and loss of livelyhood. Still doesn't answer my question of why we need to riot and ruin people's lives, though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606324/#p606324 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? 40: It's not contradictory at all. Look, if I want to say that all blind people should be aborted, I have the right to say that. The government can't stop me. That's freedom of speech.I don't, however, have a freedom to a platform. Speech is about what I can say. I can say that to you in my house, or your house until you kick me out. I have no right to essentially publish that opinion somewhere. I have no right to get that printed in a newspaper, on Twitter, Facebook, to say it on a radio or TV show, to get it printed on a jaunty coffee mug, none of that. If a newspaper will publish that opinion, then fine, it can be published. If whatever random internet company will churn out jaunty coffee mugs with that message, then great, I can get some coffee mugs with an incredibly dumb message on them.Speech literally means speech. I can say it to another person, or group of people, within earshot. If somebody decides to let me say it in another way, writing it in a newspaper, yelling it on the radio, fine. But I have no *right* to do that. Nobody is under any obligation to give me a radio show so I can yell about how if we don't all wear tinfoil hats, the aliens from Algol will read our minds and turn us all into communists.All of these things are essentially doing the same thing. They're extending the reach of your speech beyond its natural capabilities. You have no right whatsoever to that extension. You could gain it, because somebody could give it to you, or you could start your own newspaper or radio show, or print pamphlets or have a website or whatever. But assuming you're not doing it yourself, i.e. printing up your own Nazi literature, absolutely nobody is obligated to give you space to tell the public that you think Hitler was super special awesome and the second coming of Jesus, which some racists literally believe.These two things aren't contradictory at all, because they're literally two different things. The one I have a right to do, provided I'm not threatening people or yelling fire in a crowded theater or such, is to say things. Like literally, I have the right to open my mouth and make some noises, which hopefully convey some sort of thought. What I do *not* have a right to is for somebody to broadcast those noises around the world via radio waves or satellites, for example. That is why Alex Jones has the right to *say* that Senator Schumer yelled about "baby feast!", but *not* the right to spread it to other people, beyond those who can hear him yelling wherever he normally does his yelling when he's not on a radio station.Let me try one more example. Suppose you go to the grocery store. You're minding your business, doing your shopping, looking for some apples or chicken nuggets or laundry soap or whatever you're looking for in our hypothetical example. Suddenly, somebody gets in your face and starts yelling about how blind people are a stain on humanity and should be wiped off the face of the earth.1. Does he have a right to think and say that? Yes he does.2. Does he have the right to scream it into your face at a grocery store, probably making you and all of the other shoppers uncomfortable? No he does not. The grocery store owner/manager can quite happily remove him, and call the cops on him if he refuses to leave.You see what I mean here? Just because you have the right to say something, it doesn't mean you get to say it at any time and place and in whatever manner you choose. Again, the first amendment is about the government restricting your freedom of speech, not anybody else. The grocery store owner is under no obligation whatsoever to let you randomly yell at shoppers about the coming cucumber menace. However, if the grocery store owner wants to let somebody do that? Sure, they can do it no problem. I don't imagine it will improve their business, but there you go.Put simply, freedom of speech is your right to say things. It has nothing to do with assisting you in gaining a larger reach so the things you're saying will be heard by more people than those immediately surrounding you, nor does it mean you can say those things wherever and whenever and however loudly you want. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606275/#p606275 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Just because they have the right doesn't mean it's okay, or healthy for society.Anyway I learned some interesting things about Parler and how it's free speech motto may have never really been accurate from a well sourced comment on this articlehttps://arstechnica.com/information-tec … comments=1Here's the comment in question.10530 posts | registered 12/16/2010Wheels Of Confusion / Ars Legatus Legionis/ et SubscriptorREPLY4 HOURS AGOPOPULARRemember that Parler was in a profit-sharing scheme with paid "influencers" and actively banning left-wing content. All while advertising themselves as the "free speech" platform for people who were banned from Twitter for being too horrible.They knowingly, actively cultivated and created a business model around fueling right-wing extremism that was too militant for other services.And no, being kicked off Amazon isn't censorship anymore than being refused a book deal from the major publishers is "censorship." You do not have a God-given right to use someone else's service as your own megaphone, you're perfectly free to shout from your driveway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606274/#p606274 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @defender, twitter have every right to be partisan. I don't think that's the issue here, and I wish people would stop using it as a scapegoat, but facebook, twitter or whatever other social networking platform you can think of are perfectly within their rights to lean towards which ever side of the political fence they see fit.But, na. Seriously, enough with that excuse. Trump staged a coo, or at least he tried to, and he dam near succeeded. And the police were *not* putting up much of an effort to stop those attempting to get into the *capital * building. They all committed felonies. They did their level best to obstruct justice, obstruct democracy. Yet instead of being held accountable, these domestic terrorists are being let off with fines, small amounts of prison time at the worst. And the top man himself, good old Agent Orange, is still very much in that whitehouse. Actually he's probably playing golf, but whatever.@redfox, that article you quoted specifically talked about damage of property. *not* death. At least learn to sight your own sources properly. Also, most of the deaths in those so called riots were caused by the police, *not* the protesters, who barring a few well publicised ones were all peaceful. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606261/#p606261 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @ArcadiaYou bring up some great points there about the speed of the ban, and potential favoritism.I wish that private companies had to go through some kind of regulatory process in order to ban such big apps outright, to hopefully root out uncompetitive practices or political bias, but then you'd probably have a bipartisan split and it would take months while the app is still being used to do god knows what, plus that might then fall under the 1st amendment as the government would be involved.Some kind of elected non government body maybe? Possibly drawn from different non profits and with a set decision deadline. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606235/#p606235 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @ArcadiaYou bring up some great points there about the speed of the ban, and potential favoritism.I wish that private companies had to go through some kind of regulatory process in order to ban such big apps outright, to hopefully root out uncompetitive practices or political bias, but then you'd probably have a bipartisan split and it would take months while the app is still being used to do god knows what, plus that might then fall under the 1st amendment as the government would be involved.Some kind of elected non government body maybe? Possibly drawn from different non profits. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606235/#p606235 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? 39, the issue with this is that you're saying two different things. You're saying that people like Alex Jones *do* have the right to say these things, but *do not* have the right to a show to say these things? I get where you're coming from, but here's the flaw.He absolutely has the rights to have these shows or programs wor whatever he wants, but the owners always reserve the right to remove him if they see fit. It's inconsequential, but i was getting conflicted messages with what you were saying.Now, I have a question. People talk about the BLM movement like they are saints, even though:axios.com wrote:The vandalism and looting following the death of George Floyd at the hands of the Minneapolis police will cost the insurance industry more than any other violent demonstrations in recent history, Axios has learned.Why it matters: The protests that took place in 140 U.S. cities this spring were mostly peaceful, but the arson, vandalism and looting that did occur will result in at least $1 billion to $2 billion of paid insurance claims — eclipsing the record set in Los Angeles in 1992 after the acquittal of the police officers who brutalized Rodney King.How it works: A company called Property Claim Services (PCS) has tracked insurance claims related to civil disorder since 1950. It classifies anything over $25 million in insured losses as a "catastrophe," and reports that the unrest this year (from May 26 to June 8) will cost the insurance industry far more than any prior one.That number could be as much as $2 billion and possibly more, according to the Insurance Information Institute (or Triple-I), which compiles information from PCS as well as other firms that report such statistics.As reported by axios.com.They've caused so much damage, loss of livelyhood, death... But, this is no different from any other riot, which brings me to another question... Why? Why do we think that riots will help? Sure, riots have changed minds before, but only because those people were scared of what else the riots might do. I find it kind of ironic that BLM members see the situations, understood or not, and use that as an excuse to go murder more people for things they had no hand in.I'd love to here people's thoughts on this so I can hopefully flesh out more of an opinion on such things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606212/#p606212 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I had never even heard of the parlor founder saying he refused to remove content until I read this thread. I read somewhere else that they had markers on certain posts saying they had false information and such, and thought that should be good enough. You are given information sending you to the correct source, but allowed to see the original if people ask you about it. They probably did this because they wanted to offer their users something different from the other apps. I had never heard of people pressuring apple or google to remove the app. My main issue with the app ban is that normally people are allowed to run their apps as they please unless they go against the companies rules somehow. I never heard of anyone breaking rules that weren't related to explicit financial or national laws, and even then, they are given some sort of grace period, such as the famous epic games battle with apple that started earlier this year. From what it sounded like, parlor was given 1 or 2 days at most. This looks most similar to things I saw happening with apps getting banned in China. The government says get rid of it, and the platform removes it as quickly as possible in order to stay in business in the country. I never heard of apps being banned for being used by neffarius groups unless pressured to by governments such as the silk road website. I have heard of a politician being forced to resign because of a fake video on facebook in Indonesia, but the app is still allowed. I never heard people talking about removing the entire app when this happened, but i was living in China at the time, so maybe they did and i just didn't know about it. What's so special, or not special about parlor as compared to other apps? Also, many people say that apple and such are private businesses, and can do as they please, but these tend to be the same people who say that companies need to serve people and support things they disagree with because everyone should be treated equally. I think of all the suing over bakeries not wanting to bake cakes for gay weddings over religious objections and such. If you say you allow free speech, then why ban things? If you don't support hate speech, then what is that, and why did app developers not know of your sudden policy changes? If you support a free market, then why remove competitors? I have more of an issue with this on apple than google, because, if you want to download parlor at your own risk, on android you still can. They might have given twitter's competition a serious disadvantage, but they didn't remove them altogether like on apple. I think the thing that concerns me more about this is that their is no regulation about who and what gets banned. Why are some given more grace than others? In some place like China, when you create an app, you kind of know what will be off limits and what's ok, but not here. Several years ago this was ok, but suddenly now if someone uses your app for gathering and doing something terrible, it might be immediately banned like parlor, or it might be left alone to figure out it's problems like facebook. as a creator, how do you know what kind of treatment you will get? Unfortunately, the side of the political spectrum that chooses to use your app to organize their form of chaos and destruction seems to be the deciding factor. Hopefully the side that big tech companies agree with more chooses your app, otherwise, why make it in the first place. I think who has enough money also might have a role in this. People might not like how facebook and twitter treat them, but if all other competition is at a higher risk of being removed without the proper big money to pay off the correct people, then there is little incentive to create something new, and the big businesses like facebook and twitter can remain with a near monopoly of the social media space.[later edit] By paying the correct people I mean paying for entire teams of moderators and lawyers to defend yourself if something like this happens to your company. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606105/#p606105 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I mean, I feel like threatening to assassinate government officials and bomb Amazon is pretty dark. I've seen a bunch of the racism that got some of the other people banned. I've seen the QAnon dumbness about Satan worshiping cannibal baby-eating Democrats, which just sounds like the Satanic panic 2.0 if you ask me. I was around for the first one and that was super fucking dumb, check out the McMartin case if you don't know what I'm talking about, that should be a good entry point. I've seen some of the Gamergate stuff which yeah, was pretty dark. Honestly it's a wonder that these people have been around on publicly available platforms as long as they have.Here's the thing people don't get. People talk about free speech as though it's this absolute right to say whatever the hell you want. First of all, it's not, but we'll get to that in a minute. The other thing they think is that it means you have a right to say that wherever and whenever you want, because of the US Constitution. Sorry people from other countries, but this is a US issue so I'm assuming most of the people flipping their shit about it are living in the US.OK, so, let's tackle the first amendment. That's where freedom of speech lives. That amendment applies to one thing, and one thing only. That thing is the federal government of the United States. Not Twitter. Not Facebook. Not Amazon. Not Google. Not the internet. It applies to the federal government and it's ability to make laws, or not make laws in this case, because they can't take away your freedom of speech. Except sometimes they can. When they can is basically when you're trying to stir up violence, like, oh I dunno, let me see if I can think of some examples here, yelling about hanging the Vice President of the United States while you're rampaging through the capitol, talking about assassinating members of the government or bomb threats against Amazon on a thing that's hosted on Amazon's servers, just to pick a few totally random examples out of the air.Hell, I'm pretty against censorship. But let's look at somebody who got banned a while ago, Alex Jones. Thanks to Knowledge Fight I can hear his dumbness being mocked and proven wrong, as it should be. This is a quote I'm transcribing, and understand he's yelling a chunk of this, from his Jan. 7 show."Alright, Taylor Hanson was there I'm Alex Jones with Owen Shroyer, you were there when this poor lady Ashley Babbbitt got executed along with three other Americans they won't even tell us their names, they're calling us the terrorists but they were killing us, you were there, describe, you talked to her before she died, what happened what you witnessed, and I think you saw Chuckie Schumer, looked like it was his security detail that he was, I guess he wanted a blood sacrifice as we know, remember he threatened Trump he said (yelling) "if you ban abortion, we will annihilate you, you will pay", it was like, "these are *our* babies, baby feast"!That's some dude, on an actual radio show, claiming that a United States senator was yelling "baby feast". Should that get censored? Maybe not, but that's not even an opinion, that's just an outright lie. That's bullshit this dude is making up because he thinks Democrats harvest chemicals from children to keep them eternally young. I guess what I'm saying is this. I get the broader question of potential censorship, I really do. But given the people we're talking about, I think you should think very carefully about whether this instance is the one you want to pick as your hill to die on, as it were.I mean, there is just tons of this stuff out there. Racists referring to black people as "antique farm equipment". Incels praising people who went on shooting sprees and calling them saints, and seeing them as people to idolize and emulate. Can you blame companies if they don't want to give that kind of thing a platform? Keep in mind, as I've already covered above, these people have no right whatsoever to a platform. Freedom of speech does not equal freedom to be heard, nor does it mean freedom from the consequences of said speech. If I write a letter to a newspaper saying all blind people are worthless drains on society and should be slaughtered like the vermin they are, a newspaper has every right to refuse to print that letter. If they *do* print it, people have every right to hate me, to call me an asshole, to refuse to patronize my business and to attempt to convince others not to patronize it, and so on.Alex Jones has every right to think his crazy bullshit thoughts. He has every right to tell them to anybody who will listen. What he most certainly does *not* have is a right to a radio show, or Youtube, or Twitter, and so on in order to broadcast those thoughts to a mass audience. If he can get those things? Great. But if people go, hey man you're too crazy, we're not letting you on our s
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I had never even heard of the parlor founder saying he refused to remove content until I read this thread. I read somewhere else that they had markers on certain posts saying they had false information and such, and thought that should be good enough. You are given information sending you to the correct source, but allowed to see the original if people ask you about it. They probably did this because they wanted to offer their users something different from the other apps. I had never heard of people pressuring apple or google to remove the app. My main issue with the app ban is that normally people are allowed to run their apps as they please unless they go against the companies rules somehow. I never heard of anyone breaking rules that weren't related to explicit financial or national laws, and even then, they are given some sort of grace period, such as the famous epic games battle with apple that started earlier this year. From what it sounded like, parlor was given 1 or 2 days at most. This looks most similar to things I saw happening with apps getting banned in China. The government says get rid of it, and the platform removes it as quickly as possible in order to stay in business in the country. I never heard of apps being banned for being used by neffarius groups unless pressured to by governments such as the silk road website. I have heard of a politician being forced to resign because of a fake video on facebook in Indonesia, but the app is still allowed. I never heard people talking about removing the entire app when this happened, but i was living in China at the time, so maybe they did and i just didn't know about it. What's so special, or not special about parlor as compared to other apps? Also, many people say that apple and such are private businesses, and can do as they please, but these tend to be the same people who say that companies need to serve people and support things they disagree with because everyone should be treated equally. I think of all the suing over bakeries not wanting to bake cakes for gay weddings over religious objections and such. If you say you allow free speech, then why ban things? If you don't support hate speech, then what is that, and why did app developers not know of your sudden policy changes? If you support a free market, then why remove competitors? I have more of an issue with this on apple than google, because, if you want to download parlor at your own risk, on android you still can. They might have given twitter's competition a serious disadvantage, but they didn't remove them altogether like on apple. I think the thing that concerns me more about this is that their is no regulation about who and what gets banned. Why are some given more grace than others? In some place like China, when you create an app, you kind of know what will be off limits and what's ok, but not here. Several years ago this was ok, but suddenly now if someone uses your app for gathering and doing something terrible, it might be immediately banned like parlor, or it might be left alone to figure out it's problems like facebook. as a creator, how do you know what kind of treatment you will get? Unfortunately, the side of the political spectrum that chooses to use your app to organize their form of chaos and destruction seems to be the deciding factor. Hopefully the side that big tech companies agree with more chooses your app, otherwise, why make it in the first place. I think who has enough money also might have a role in this. People might not like how facebook and twitter treat them, but if all other competition is at a higher risk of being removed without the proper big money to pay off the correct people, then there is little incentive to create something new, and the big businesses like facebook and twitter can remain with a near monopoly of the social media space. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606105/#p606105 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? True true, but the wide public backlash element is important. People can't get mad about what they don't know about, and even if some people know of those other things, most still don't.And this has been in the public eye for a long time, it isn't just a flashpoint of rage followed by a slow loss of interest, or a here and there systemic moderation problem which can be blamed on bad AI and sheer amount of content. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606098/#p606098 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? True true, but the wide public backlash element is important. People can't get mad about what they don't know about, and even if some people know of those other things, most still don't.And this has been in the public eye for a long time, it isn't just a flashpoint of rage followed by a slow loss of interest. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606098/#p606098 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? True true, but the wide public backlash element is important. People can't get mad about what they don't know about, and even if some people know of those other things, most still don't. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606098/#p606098 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Streisand effect in about a week or so then? Also these reasons are dumb af, a five minute search of whatever social media platform you care to name will unearth stuff that's many times more violent than this tame garbage, yet google, amazon etc. will host their shit with zero fucks given. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606096/#p606096 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? OCR can probably help with the screenshots.Also, it looks like I was wrong about Trump being banned for those Tweets, and the reasoning for it sounded ironically conspiracy theoryish too.I'm guessing they had pressure to ban him and needed a reason that in their eyes was good, but really it was for the previous posts, and they should have just done it right then.As for getting rid of your big tech products? Good for you. I wish I had the will to do it my self. I don't even care why you're doing it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606093/#p606093 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? OCR can probably help with the screenshots.Also, it looks like I was wrong about Trump being banned for those Tweets, and the reasoning for it sounded ironically conspiracy theoryish too.I'm guessing they had pressure to ban him and needed a reason that in their eyes was good, but really it was for the previous posts, and they should have just done it right then. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606093/#p606093 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Again FYI, here's Amazon's letter to Parlor. You don't get text with all of the screen shots, but you do with some of them, as well as quotes in the article.https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jo … parler-aws URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606069/#p606069 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @32. Getting rid of amazon/apple just because they banned Parler? hm, isn't that too extreme? its just politics. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606063/#p606063 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I just canceled my Amazon Prime and will be looking to get rid of my Alexa soon. I was going to get an Apple Watch and to even look into the WeWalk Cane. Now with Apple and Google doing what they are doing, No thank you! I lived without Accessible Technology as a kid. I only used it at schools. It will suck, but downgrading my life may be necessary. And while it is true that these big tech companies make accessible products, My question is: When do they turn on us and stop making them!? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606023/#p606023 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Chris:A) where is a source on a 99% survival rate? According to [this], it's a 1-2% survival rate *only* if you do not show simptoms, but you still have COVID. And it of course, also depends on the age of the person infected.B) I will give you that not all BLM rallies were peaceful, or not as much as they should've been, but either way, I think rading the capital, trust passing, etc. way out weighs "stop fucking killing black people!"Imo everyone who broke into the capital should be charged with a felony, as trust passing on government property *is* a felony. But of course that's not going to happen, because people would raise hell for people being fairly punished.I also fail to see how the Constatution is in violation here, but I could say the same about the mask mandate.I actually really want to sit down with someone who leans towards the right sometime, and try to see their views in more detail, because as it currently stands, I see basically none of them. Although, I have hardly ever seen a right wing argument backed up with evidence that's not a YouTube video or Facebook post.And Trump vs. Biden: I don't like Biden. But I'd rather have someone I'm not super fond of then someone who A) is racist, B) throws a hissy fit at every turn, and C) ruins pour relations with other countries. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605983/#p605983 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @haily_merryI'd call Daigonite one, but aside from that, the others from what I can remember are just far left rather than extreme, for instance Jaide. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605977/#p605977 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Chris, if you're still checking this thread and if you're willing to listen to some compelling evidence from the other side, I'd recommend that you give the books rage and fear, trump in the whitehouse by Bob Woodward a read. Both of these pull directly from first hand sources, the former even containing interviews with Trump himself, and you can always google if something seems off to you. Seriously read them though, they give you a fascinating insight into the way Trump handles his staff, policies, rage even giving us a small glimpse into how he thinks. They might give you some prospective as well, provided you're willing to go in with an open mind.Also, seriously. Don't believe *everything* your friends say, or your dad says, no matter how believable they might seem to you. Not instantly, anyway, always be willing to do research and fact check first. I don't think you fully realize just how much you and probably the people around you are being manipulated and lied too here. It's a well known fact by now that Trump specialises in misinformation, for 1 reason or another. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605875/#p605875 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Chris, if you're still checking this thread and if you're willing to listen to some compelling evidence from the other side, I'd recommend that you give the books rage and fear, trump in the whitehouse by Bob Woodward a read. Both of these pull directly from first hand sources, the former even containing interviews with Trump himself, and you can always google if something seems off to you. Seriously read them though, they give you a fascinating insight into the way Trump handles his staff, policies, rage even giving us a small glimpse into how he thinks. They might give you some prospective as well, provided you're willing to go in with an open mind.Also, seriously. Don't believe *everything* your friends say, or your dad says, no matter how believable they might seem to you. Not instantly, anyway, always be willing to do research and fact check first. I don't think you fully realize just how much you and probably the people around you are being manipulated and lied to here. It's a well known fact by now that Trump specialises in misinformation, for 1 reason or another. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605875/#p605875 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Sort of. They're certainly round about on par with our conservative party, say, just to give 1 example. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605871/#p605871 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I've read somewhere that the democrats in the US would be in the right in europe. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605860/#p605860 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Defender, extreme leftists? Where... I’m not seeing them...But, like, that’s the other thing. The Democrats are libertarian at best, and Biden is actually very moderate all things considered. Anyone who seriously thinks that people like him are radical have lost all perspective on what the word radical actually means. Pure and simple. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605854/#p605854 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I don't care either for trump or bidon, as they are both greety people, but the things that trump has posted, not counting his 2 last posts are just uncalled for. what kind of leader trys to have foreigners removed from from his country? People that if I may say keep the food coming to his table, do all the jobs that most Fully certified US Citizens wouldn't dream of doing, people who work under the son for hours upon hours. And what kind of leader trys to illiminate programs that would help citizens in the country like medicade, medicare, social security, hell the school system itself, What kind of leader splits families apart, sends people who are trying to become citizens to basically internment camps, take away money from the elderly who have done their part for society for years and years, destroy the countries health care system, lets huge coorporations take huge tax cuts, lets medical coorporations charge huge insane amounts for drugs that many many many people need. I know people who have to pay those huge medical prices just to get the medicines to be able to function normally. When trump was rounding up the imigrants, i had to live in fear that I would be one of them, even though i have the papers to prove that I am indeed a US ciziten, it didn't seem to matter to him. I heard of people who are citizens getting picked up. I was afraid to listen to my music loudly, afraid to be myself. Now let me tell you, that sucks ass, to not be who you are, to not be able to be proud of the country you were originally born in. So what i guess I am trying to understand is how chris can support someone who is willing to do such things. And if he is from the US, if he doesn't already recieving SSI, Would he like that bit of help to be taken away from him? Its not much, but it helps blind people live on their own, that is if they were given the chance to excell in life before they turned 18, otherwise its unfortunatly free money to do with as they please.. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605837/#p605837 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Maybe it's time I check out Discord again. I have an account but haven't used it much except for following BSG and other things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605830/#p605830 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @22. I don't really know unfortunately. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605827/#p605827 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @ChrisPlease ask your self the exact same question as you asked us in the first line of your post, because I really think it applies to you just as well as some of the extreme leftists here.Also, please stop assuming that people are leftists or sheep just because they disagree with your point of view. It's very rude and superior. Some of us can disagree with you just fine while staying as objective as possible.@GrannyCheeseWheelUsing words like evil in such a broad and flippant manner only serves to weaken their impact when it really counts.Also, what exactly is (the left) to you anyway? I'm curious. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605822/#p605822 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @ChrisPlease ask your self the exact same question as you asked us in the first line of your post, because I really think it applies to you just as well as some of the extreme leftists here.Also, please stop assuming that people are leftists or sheep just because they disagree with your point of view. It's very rude and superior. Some of us can disagree with you objectively and without bringing bias into it.@GrannyCheeseWheelUsing words like evil in such a broad and flippant manner only serves to weaken their impact when it really counts.Also, what exactly is (the left) to you anyway? I'm curious. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605822/#p605822 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @ChrisPlease ask your self the exact same question as you asked us in the first line of your post.Also, stop assuming that people are leftists or sheep just because they disagree with your point of view. Consider for a moment that maybe it's because you sound god damn insane right now to any normal person, regardless of political leaning or level of ignorance.And no, just because we think you sound crazy doesn't mean you somehow know all the secrets and we're all idiots. It can also mean that you're just being crazy, which you are.@GrannyCheeseWheelUsing words like evil in such a broad and flippant manner only serves to weaken their impact when it really counts.AKA "I don't think that word means what you think it means."Also, what the hell is (the left) to you anyway? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605822/#p605822 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @ChrisPlease ask your self the exact same question as you asked us in the first line of your post.Also, stop assuming that people are leftists or sheep just because they disagree with your point of view. Consider for a moment that maybe it's because you sound god damn insane right now to any normal person, regardless of political leaning or level of ignorance.@GrannyCheeseWheelUsing words like evil in such a broad and flippant manner only serves to weaken their impact when it really counts.AKA "I don't think that word means what you think it means."Also, what the hell is (the left) to you anyway? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605822/#p605822 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @ChrisPlease ask your self the exact same question as you asked us in the first line of your post.Also, stop assuming that people are leftists or sheep just because they disagree with your point of view. Consider for a moment that maybe it's because you sound god damn insane right now to any normal person, regardless of political leaning or level of ignorance.@GrannyCheeseWheelUsing words like evil in such a broad and flippant manner only serves to weaken their impact when it really counts.AKA "I don't think that word means what you think it means."Also, what the hell is (the left) to you anyway? I'm curious. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605822/#p605822 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @ChrisPlease ask your self the exact same question as you asked us in the first line of your post.Also, stop assuming that people are leftists or sheep just because they disagree with your point of view. Consider for a moment that maybe it's because you sound god damn insane right now to any normal person, regardless of political leaning or level of ignorance. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605822/#p605822 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I agree with both serrebi and khomus on this point. Free speech is extremely important, but when a politician such as trump is being used to stir the people up, something needs to be done. Whether that should be banning, or whatever, I don't know.That being said, does anyone know of any other accessible social media sites other than Mastodon? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605802/#p605802 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Twitter is cancer, so if you think Trump is cancer, he fits right in. Why would they remove him. Oh, they don't want the evil left getting too antsy and leaving or bombing twitter. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605796/#p605796 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Chris wrote: "As far as I can gather, Trump wasn't inciting violence. He even posted a video telling everyone to go home peacefully, but of course the media doesn't want to put that out there in order to bolster their image that he's a monster and Joe Biden was fairly elected and nothing's wrong."Here's a chunk of what Trump said. "“It’s a very tough period of time,” he said. “But we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace,” he said.“So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens, you see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home, and go home in peace.”"So you know, after people stormed the United States Capitol with the intention of at least stopping the government from doing its business, after at least one cop and one protestor died, Yeah, Trump told them to go home. He also said he loves them, and he knows how they feel. Really? Also note why they have to go home, not because they were doing something bad, but because it *looks* bad, "we can't play into the hands of these people". Please note there, the issue wasn't the violence, the issue was that they're playing into the hands of other people. No, they were attacking the capitol with the intent to disrupt the government. Some of them were armed with guns and bombs and zip tie cuffs. Some of them were heard yelling "hang Pence". But hey they're special people and Trump knows how they feel. Yes, he told them to go home, he said that. But let's talk about the entire message, shall we? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605787/#p605787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Oh yeah. I mean Trump tweeted and the media covered it, no matter what it was. Some of that's understandable, e.g. when he basically banned trans people from the military via Twitter, which was not only the first time we found out about it, but the first time the military found out about it. Whatever you think of that decision, that's a piss poor way to implement policy. You'd think the first thing you'd do is consult with your military first, or at least, let them know so they can figure out how to implement the policy.But yeah, there was a ton of stuff the media didn't need to cover at all that got covered anyway. Hell when he was campaigning I specifically remember a TV station here in the US switching from a candidate's speech to the stage where Trump was going to appear like an hour later because somebody was setting up a podium. And I don't mean they switched pictures, I mean the audio was also somebody setting up a podium on an otherwise completely empty stage. So sure, the media's got some blame to shoulder too, no doubt. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605780/#p605780 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Oh I forgot to write something. For the crazy code stuff, see number 3 in the article I posted. But basically James Comey participated in a "my first five jobs" Twitter thing, QAnon idiots googled those letters and came across a foundation for an obscure elementary school, and the school got a ton of emails about how they were going to be bombed/attacked by Comey. So the school cancelled a bake sale, lest Q crazies showed up and endangered everybody. And again, whether you think the school was overreacting or whatever, the important part I'm going for is that the Q weirdos went, famous person, five letters, that must mean he's gonna bomb an elementary school! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605779/#p605779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? khomus wrote:Just FYI, and I mean that literally, I'm just trying to provide information here, this is what I've heard about Trump getting banned, and why those last two tweets might be a problem. There's been talk among the kind of loonies who stormed the capitol about doing it again, either on Jan. 20, the inauguration, or I think Jan. 17. So for the second one where Trump says he won't be at the inauguration, this can be seen, and keep in mind these guys do this shit all the time, as a signal to go ahead, because Trump won't be there and won't be in danger. As for the first one, that's riling people up more.Whether you agree with that or not, that's the connection to violence. And as for these people taking the weirdest things as signals?https://www.cracked.com/article_26870_6 … fects.htmlThe point is, yeah, Trump's tweets aren't a direct call for violence or anything like that. But we've seen how this stuff gets interpreted by lunatic weirdos and what happens when they act on those interpretations last Wednesday. Far from doing anything to remove those potential interpretations, and understand that might not be possible to do but I think it's worth trying, Trump just offered stuff that looks a lot like "hey you guys got a raw deal on Wednesday, that's not fair"!Again, I'm not necessarily arguing that banning Trump was the right thing to do, although honestly I'm kind of hard-pressed to see what else should have happened. Trump had years to stop himself from saying things like "we love you, your special people", and clearly he can't manage to do that. But anyway, whether you agree with the ban or not, this was the reasoning. These people are literally taking Trump's tweets and seeing as the go signal. Normally I'd say you're not to blame for how other people interpret your words. But given Trump's abysmal response to Wednesday? Sorry, he loses the benefit of the doubt. I mean, he should have lost it a long time ago, but I think we've passed the point where any reasonable person should give it to him.My point is, I can see the opposition to banning people, and normally I'm all for free speech. I'll even go a bit further and say that, while I understand why places like Youtube took down his Wed. response, I think it should be available so you don't have to rely on other people, or newspapers and so on, to know what his words were, you can go find out how dumb they were for your own self. Obviously this is the part where I've stopped just giving information. You don't respond to insurrectionist terrorists by saying they're special people and you love them. That's utterly ridiculous. So I mean, yeah I see the opposition to banning and all, but considering that absolutely nobody else is doing anything whatsoever to stop stuff like this? I say good job Twitter, Facebook Et Al., but too little too late if you ask me.While I agree with this, the media has a huge part to play which is being downplayed. I mean Canadian talk radio had wall to wall coverage of this, no other topics were really covered but this shit, even when there was Covid press conferences, and other local stories to talk about. SO I think we should blame the media just as much as we blame Trump. IT sucks that all the Twitter clones have serious downsides. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605777/#p605777 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? khomus wrote:Just FYI, and I mean that literally, I'm just trying to provide information here, this is what I've heard about Trump getting banned, and why those last two tweets might be a problem. There's been talk among the kind of loonies who stormed the capitol about doing it again, either on Jan. 20, the inauguration, or I think Jan. 17. So for the second one where Trump says he won't be at the inauguration, this can be seen, and keep in mind these guys do this shit all the time, as a signal to go ahead, because Trump won't be there and won't be in danger. As for the first one, that's riling people up more.Whether you agree with that or not, that's the connection to violence. And as for these people taking the weirdest things as signals?https://www.cracked.com/article_26870_6 … fects.htmlThe point is, yeah, Trump's tweets aren't a direct call for violence or anything like that. But we've seen how this stuff gets interpreted by lunatic weirdos and what happens when they act on those interpretations last Wednesday. Far from doing anything to remove those potential interpretations, and understand that might not be possible to do but I think it's worth trying, Trump just offered stuff that looks a lot like "hey you guys got a raw deal on Wednesday, that's not fair"!Again, I'm not necessarily arguing that banning Trump was the right thing to do, although honestly I'm kind of hard-pressed to see what else should have happened. Trump had years to stop himself from saying things like "we love you, your special people", and clearly he can't manage to do that. But anyway, whether you agree with the ban or not, this was the reasoning. These people are literally taking Trump's tweets and seeing as the go signal. Normally I'd say you're not to blame for how other people interpret your words. But given Trump's abysmal response to Wednesday? Sorry, he loses the benefit of the doubt. I mean, he should have lost it a long time ago, but I think we've passed the point where any reasonable person should give it to him.My point is, I can see the opposition to banning people, and normally I'm all for free speech. I'll even go a bit further and say that, while I understand why places like Youtube took down his Wed. response, I think it should be available so you don't have to rely on other people, or newspapers and so on, to know what his words were, you can go find out how dumb they were for your own self. Obviously this is the part where I've stopped just giving information. You don't respond to insurrectionist terrorists by saying they're special people and you love them. That's utterly ridiculous. So I mean, yeah I see the opposition to banning and all, but considering that absolutely nobody else is doing anything whatsoever to stop stuff like this? I say good job Twitter, Facebook Et Al., but too little too late if you ask me.While I agree with this, the media has a huge part to play which is being downplayed. I mean Canadian talk radio had wall to wall coverage of this, no other topics were really covered but this shit, even when there was Covid press conferences, and other local stories to talk about. SO I think we should blame the media just as much as we blame Trump. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605777/#p605777 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I don't know why I'm trying this again, because it hasn't worked before. I do, however, have a question. How do seemingly otherwise sane and rational people go completely batshit insane over things like COVID and Donald Trump? That's a serious question and I really want to know.As far as I can gather, Trump wasn't inciting violence. He even posted a video telling everyone to go home peacefully, but of course the media doesn't want to put that out there in order to bolster their image that he's a monster and Joe Biden was fairly elected and nothing's wrong. Come on, do you seriously think that senile old fool was fairly elected? Seriously?The left has no problem allowing BLM to riot, but they turn around and say it's horrifying when a bunch of American patriots arrive at the capital to hopefully put a stop to this massive fraud? I've also read it was a peaceful protest, but it wouldn't surprise me if BLM was planted in order to throw a monkey wrench into everything in order to twist it in the left's favor. People are evil, and they can and will do things because they want power. People are more than capable of lying and twisting events to fit their purposes. Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty of this and everyone has abandoned Trump except supporters like myself. I will never give up my support of Donald Trump or his ideas to make the country better. Oh wait, building a wall to keep our country safe from criminal illegals, bolstering the military, making us energy independent, getting rid of ISIS, and many other things are apparently really really bad according to the left. Huh? The hypocrisy is sickening! There's one set of rules for them, and another for us? What?I'm terrified this great nation will turn into another totalitarian hellhole. Most of the population is already convinced COVID is the same as the zombie plague, and the ridiculous power hungry policies will only get worse with Biden. Never mind there's a 99% survival rate and if you're really that terrified or you are truly at risk, just stay home and don't go anywhere. What kind of circular logic is involved in quarantining people who aren't sick? I thought it was supposed to be the opposite philosophy? Let's keep the infected away from the population until they get better. The greatest country in the world is crumbling and the feeling of helplessness gets stronger with each hour. I've cried several times in the last few days because of the absolute evil I'm witnessing. But hey, whatever. Believe what you want to believe. I'm sick of talking politics with people. I'm going to go do something else to hopefully take my mind off this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605771/#p605771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I don't know why I'm trying this again, because it hasn't worked before. I do, however, have a question. How do seemingly otherwise sane and rational people go completely batshit insane over things like COVID and Donald Trump? That's a serious question and I really want to know.As far as I can gather, Trump wasn't inciting violence. He even posted a video telling everyone to go home peacefully, but of course the media doesn't want to put that out there in order to bolster their image that he's a monster and Joe Biden was fairly elected and nothing's wrong. Come on, do you seriously think that senile old fool was fairly elected? Seriously?The left has no problem allowing BLM to riot, but they turn around and say it's horrifying when a bunch of American patriots arrive at the capital to hopefully put a stop to this massive fraud? I've also read it was a peaceful protest, but it wouldn't surprise me if BLM was planted in order to throw a monkey wrench into everything in order to twist it in the left's favor. People are evil, and they can and will do things because they want power. People are more than capable of lying and twisting events to fit their purposes. Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty of this and everyone has abandoned Trump except supporters like myself. I will never give up my support of Donald Trump or his ideas to make the country better. Oh wait, building a wall to keep our country safe from criminal illegals, bolstering the military, making us energy independent, getting rid of ISIS, and many other things are apparently really really bad according to the left. Huh? The hypocrisy is sickening! There's one set of rules for them, and another for us? What?I'm terrified this great nation will turn into another totalitarian hellhole. Most of the population is already convinced COVID is the same as the zombie plague, and the ridiculous power hungry policies will only get worse with Biden. Never mind that you have a 99% survival guarantee and if you're really that terrified or you are truly at risk, just stay home and don't go anywhere. What kind of circular logic is involved in quarantining people who aren't sick? I thought it was supposed to be the opposite philosophy? Let's keep the infected away from the population until they get better. The greatest country in the world is crumbling and the feeling of helplessness gets stronger with each hour. I've cried several times in the last few days because of the absolute evil I'm witnessing. But hey, whatever. Believe what you want to believe. I'm sick of talking politics with people. I'm going to go do something else to hopefully take my mind off this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605771/#p605771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Just FYI, and I mean that literally, I'm just trying to provide information here, this is what I've heard about Trump getting banned, and why those last two tweets might be a problem. There's been talk among the kind of loonies who stormed the capitol about doing it again, either on Jan. 20, the inauguration, or I think Jan. 17. So for the second one where Trump says he won't be at the inauguration, this can be seen, and keep in mind these guys do this shit all the time, as a signal to go ahead, because Trump won't be there and won't be in danger. As for the first one, that's riling people up more.Whether you agree with that or not, that's the connection to violence. And as for these people taking the weirdest things as signals?https://www.cracked.com/article_26870_6 … fects.htmlThe point is, yeah, Trump's tweets aren't a direct call for violence or anything like that. But we've seen how this stuff gets interpreted by lunatic weirdos and what happens when they act on those interpretations last Wednesday. Far from doing anything to remove those potential interpretations, and understand that might not be possible to do but I think it's worth trying, Trump just offered stuff that looks a lot like "hey you guys got a raw deal on Wednesday, that's not fair"!Again, I'm not necessarily arguing that banning Trump was the right thing to do, although honestly I'm kind of hard-pressed to see what else should have happened. Trump had years to stop himself from saying things like "we love you, your special people", and clearly he can't manage to do that. But anyway, whether you agree with the ban or not, this was the reasoning. These people are literally taking Trump's tweets and seeing as the go signal. Normally I'd say you're not to blame for how other people interpret your words. But given Trump's abysmal response to Wednesday? Sorry, he loses the benefit of the doubt. I mean, he should have lost it a long time ago, but I think we've passed the point where any reasonable person should give it to him.My point is, I can see the opposition to banning people, and normally I'm all for free speech. I'll even go a bit further and say that, while I understand why places like Youtube took down his Wed. response, I think it should be available so you don't have to rely on other people, or newspapers and so on, to know what his words were, you can go find out how dumb they were for your own self. Obviously this is the part where I've stopped just giving information. You don't respond to insurrectionist terrorists by saying they're special people and you love them. That's utterly ridiculous. So I mean, yeah I see the opposition to banning and all, but considering that absolutely nobody else is doing anything whatsoever to stop stuff like this? I say good job Twitter, Facebook Et Al., but too little too late if you ask me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605766/#p605766 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Not to mention that you heard something clearly factually incorrect, and failed to fact check it before jumping to the conclusion that oh, obviously he was banned unfairly. Well done. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605761/#p605761 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @11You're not going to find a platform that does what you want. You never could. That didn't exist before the internet, even. You get to pick between extremist edgelords or platforms that moderate, and your entire "I can't support twitter" thing boils down to "I don't support moderation". Trump, in particular, was given a lot of slack. Even saying that white supremacists were good people wasn't enough to get any of the platforms to deplatform him. It seems really, really strange that this is the last straw for you. If literally anyone else had been sayaing the stuff he says every day for the last 4 years they'd have gotten banned from any of the platforms and it wouldn't be controversial at all.Also, you've got to keep in mind that he decided to open his mouth and start in on how they'll have voices long into the future and stuff *during* the violent protesting in the senate. This wasn't him saying it beforehand, or after things settled down. You don't tell protestors that are on a violent rampage that they'll have a voice long into the future. That's like seeing a giant fire and going "here's my fire truck. But I loaded it with gasoline. Hold my beer..." It should tell you something that he's even got Republicans turning on him this time, rather than keeping their mouths shut and riding out the next 10 days and avoiding the fallout. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605755/#p605755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Hey I mean fair enough man, I think that Twitter is a pretty shitty place and a pretty shitty company, and just because I understand this particular decision on their behalf, doesn't mean I don't have problems with others they've made and continue to make when it comes to moderation.Allot of this has to do with advertisers. They want to avoid every possible controversy, and therefore their stances are constantly shifting and often highly hypocritical. Social media companies need to cater to that in order to keep the ad money flowing, and that's why hate speech means what ever you feel like it does that week now for instance.This is why Mastadon (which is decentralized) is going to be a better bet. I mean it's still run by people, and those people will have their own bias in moderation decisions, but at least you know where you stand. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605753/#p605753 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? I did not say any of that. I did not say we should not fact check, or that we should let politicians break the rules with impunity before taking action. In fact, the whole reason I posted Trump's last two tweets was because I had heard that those in particular were the tweets that got him banned.I cannot agree with anything Chris says about martial law or any of that, but it does seem that the constitution might be in danger from both the GOP and the dems.I had not heard anything about the extremists on Parler or their lax stance on extremism. My policy would be that if you post extremist and/or violent or abusive content of any kind, then you should be suspended for a time. Repeating offenders would be suspended for a longer amount of time, and then permanent banning will be used as a last resort if people can't get it through their heads that we support free speech, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere.Maybe I should've done more research before posting this, particularly in the matter of Parler and the former president's tweets. I do, however, stand for free speech, and while I understand Twitter's motives of trying to prevent violence, I cannot support them.Maybe that makes me ignorant. Maybe that makes me something entirely different.Like I said in my first post. You agree with twitter's decision? You think Trump was trying to encourage his more extremist supporters to cause further violence? You think the constitution is in danger, or not? That's perfectly fine, but I personally cannot support either Trump or Twitter.Maybe I just proved my own point, that wherever politics are discussed, supporters of both parties, or no party, will start some sort of argument in order to prove that they're right. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605747/#p605747 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Yeah, agreed. I've seen this hole trumpian disaster turn so many intelligent people into little more than hysteric lunatics who will instantly jump on whatever propaganda Agent Orange and / or his cronies decide to feed them with.What this has all taught me, if nothing else, is that critical thinking is a skill *everyone* in the states should learn at a young age, or at least do so to a much higher standard than right now, because people's seeming inability to do any kind of fact checking what so ever is proving to be the downfall of democracy in America. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605744/#p605744 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? It's sad to see a member of this community fall off the deep end like Chris did, but I'm just glad we don't have more of them.Hopefully he can come back from this and mellow out a bit in a few years.Either way his individual opinion doesn't really matter in any significant way, so don't get drawn into a big argument on his behalf. It's really not worth the effort, and it will probably only make him double down on his convictions if he feels attacked. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605739/#p605739 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? It's sad to see a member of this community fall off the deep end like Chris did, but I'm just glad we don't have more of them.Hopefully he can come back from this and mellow out a bit in a few years.Either way his individual opinion doesn't really matter in any significant way, so don't get drawn into a big argument on his behalf. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605739/#p605739 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? It's sad to see a member of this community fall off the deep end, but I'm just glad we don't have more of them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605739/#p605739 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? O, believe me, I know. You're either in the part of the population that understand that facts don't matter, or you're in the part of the population that believes that social media is factual. We'll see which he is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605738/#p605738 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? @Camlorn, now watch while he scrambles around in an attempt to find something to respond with, and either comes up empty or ignores 80% of your post and fixates on something that he can twist and / or manipulate to suit his agenda. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605734/#p605734 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Er...just have to say that @5 literally just advocated breaking down democracy in the U.S. because he doesn't like the other party.That's the kind of shit that Trump's twitter has spent 4 years promoting. I was going to leave this alone, but the big tech companies literally waited until his actions got the senate swarmed by what is decidedly not a peaceful protest before they did anything about him, so not sure what you all want here. Should tech companies never take action? Letting content on them go so far that we've got people saying "I don't like the other party, how about we declare martial law for a while, nevermind those pesky elections" is a lot of inaction. Should we never fact check? Should we let politicians break the rules with impunity? To the point that we've now have huge swathes of the population believing that the election was stolen with no evidence and starting to destabilize the government? What's the threshold? There has to be one.I don't have links to the original content that got him banned, but it's been taken down, and the tweets that @1 is posting aren't it.There is a reason that in 2016, even though we had evidence of Russian interference, etc. the democrats didn't seriously try to overturn the election. The Republicans have literally done everything they can to overturn one with no actual evidence of problems, up to and including trying to make it harder to vote. Anyone getting mad about this and saying let's declare martial law should reflect on that. There's a reason that people are careful about this stuff, and that reason is that martial law and overturning elections and stuff are like nuclear bombs--you might get what you want for a few years if you try it, but man, that radioactive fallout will destroy the country.Want to leave Twitter because of this? Whatever. But I will always, always call out people like @5, because I don't want to live in an authoritarian hellhole. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605733/#p605733 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Agreed with post 2. This is absolute bullshit, but isn't surprising. The left is truly evil and will stop at nothing to silence anyone who disagrees with them. Everyone should be concerned that the constitution is under attack. If you're not, you're either ignorant or in on this bullshit. President Trump should declare Martial Law and stop this once and for all. As president, he's one of the most powerful individuals in the world and swore an oath to protect the constitution. These people are extremely dangerous and are no joking matter.As for alternatives to Facebook and Twitter, I'm not sure. Parler will be coming back online, but I'm not totally sure how accessible it is. I've also heard of Mastodon, but I haven't tried it either so can't speak to its accessibility. I don't use social media myself. I prefer email and platforms like Zoom or Team Talk. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605725/#p605725 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Agreed with post 2. This is absolute bullshit, but isn't surprising. The left is truly evil and will stop at nothing to silence anyone who disagrees with them. Everyone should be concerned that the constitution is under attack. If you're not, you're either ignorant or in on this bullshit. President Trump should declare Martial Law and stop this once and for all. As president, he's one of the most powerful people in the world and swore an oath to protect the constitution. These people are extremely dangerous and are no joking matter.As for alternatives to Facebook and Twitter, I'm not sure. Parler will be coming back online, but I'm not totally sure how accessible it is. I've also heard of Mastodon, but I haven't tried it either so can't speak to its accessibility. I don't use social media myself. I prefer email and platforms like Zoom or Team Talk. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605725/#p605725 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Those weren't the Tweets he got banned for. Also, he's had several chances and this was just the last straw. They don't want the liability of the next thing he might help cause, or the responsibility of making a morality judgement on every third post of his which will still get them hate no matter what and I get that.As for Parler, it existed just fine for a couple years before extremists started using it actually, and only recently has it become a big problem, specifically because Parler refuses to remove (actual) incitement of violence in any reasonable amount of time or frequency, and the CEO him self said he didn't think it should happen.Again, it's hard to blame these private companies for refusing to accept the liability when Parler was heavily used before and during the riot at the capital. It just doesn't look good for them to be associated with it.Free speech applies to citizens rights with the government, not private entities, and while I have no love for big tech, I don't think it's unfair for them to limit free speech to a reasonable extent, and IMO this doesn't cross the line.Anyway, try "Mastadon", it's got a bit of a weird learning curve but the web interface is highly accessible and there are accessible clients for mobile too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605721/#p605721 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Those weren't the Tweets he got banned for. Also, he's had several chances and this was just the last straw. They don't want the liability of the next thing he might help cause, or the responsibility of making a morality judgement on every third post of his which will still get them hate no matter what and I get that.As for Parler, it existed just fine for a couple years before extremists started using it actually, and only recently has it become a big problem, specifically because Parler refuses to remove (actual) incitement of violence in any reasonable amount of time or frequency, and the CEO him self said he didn't think it should happen.Again, it's hard to blame these private companies for refusing to accept the liability when Parler was heavily used before and during the riot at the capital. It just doesn't look good for them to be associated with it.Free speech applies to citizens rights with the government, not private entities, and while I have no love for big tech, I don't think it's unfair for them to limit free speech to a reasonable extent, and IMO this doesn't cross the line.Anyway, try "Mastadon", it's got a bit of a weird learning curve but the web interface is highly accessible and there are accessible clients for mobile too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605721/#p605721 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Just realized I accidentally posted to the developer's room, when I meant to post to off topic. I believe a move is in order. Or did I? It said developer's room in the title bar... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605704/#p605704 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
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Re: I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? It's fucking bullshit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605703/#p605703 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives?
I have a big problem with Twitter. Any alternatives? Hello all.Let's face it. I don't like politicsthese days. Far too many people talk about it, fight about it, and lose their minds because of political disagreements.Today, the Twitter trust and safety team decided to ban former President Donald Trump for allegedly "glorifying violence" after the tragedy that occurred at the capital building.I don't care what your political views are, but these were the last too tweets posted to Trump's account, which don't appear to glorify violence whatsoever.At 9:46 AM, Trump tweeted:The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!From what I understand, this just says that Trump supporters will still have a voice long into the future and will not be disrespected or treated unfairly (which he can't exactly stop now that he's out of office, or will be).At 10:44 AM, Trump tweeted:To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.There's no way this could be read to glorify violence. The first one, I can see why people could believe it could. This one, however is just stating the facts and responding to a question.I don't like Trump; in fact I think he's extremely egotistic and has far too much money or power for his own good.Despite my dislike for Trump (even though I do hold to conservative views), I cannot support a platform that bans anyone for simply stating their views, opinions, Etc.To make matters worse, Amazon, Apple and Google have conspired (no, I don't think they did this together at the same time, but they certainly had the same idea) to remove Parler from the internet. Amazon removed Parler from their servers, Google and Apple have removed the app from their stores, and now the developers are scrambling for a more permanent hosting solution.Think what you want about Trump. Like him, hate him, be indifferent, whatever, but I support free speech and cannot support either a platform that bans anyone for stating their opinions or a group of tech giants conspiring to remove an entire social networking site from the internet.Let me be clear. Is there a reason to ban people who do rather stupid things, such as promote terrorism, glorify violence, Etc? Yes, of course. Should sites be removed from the internet if need be? Yes, of course.I'll still use my Android phone and my iPad. I'll still probably watch Youtube videos, but I have no plans to support twitter. With all that said, I am looking for an accessible twitter alternative with a decent userbase.Alright folks, I've filled my daily quota of political ranting already, and if you don't care about politics, or don't know what to think, or agree with Twitter, that's okay. I'm not here to change your views, or start drama. I'm looking for Twitter alternatives. Peace. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/605701/#p605701 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
