Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-29
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well Dark, with all the respect, I must generally disagree with the reasons you listed, regarding the low number of active Clok-players.Namely, when it comes to lags, I must admit, I am a quite impatient player myself as well, but still, after playing the MUD over many hours during the last 2 days, I haven't experienced too much annoying issues...ok, sometimes there indeed were a few second lags, but those were by far not enough to drive me away from the game!As for your other mentioned reason, Clok is already an extremely "rich" and diverse MUD, and the fact of not regularily updating, improving it even further, shouldn't drive its, accordingly, so far so faithful and devoted players away either.Of course this is only my personal opinion, you, and the most of other VIP, or even sighted gamers may disagree with it, it all depends on what we actually expect from a game.Again, as for myself, I would definitely not stop playing a game, wh ich finally, initially fulfills all my primary, leading expectations, merely due occasional few second lags, or the lack of even further updates and improvements.Sure, progressive new features and additions are always welcomed by, and exciting for me too, but to totally quit an otherwise just perfect game, merely due the lack of them...no way! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308995#p308995 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-29
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well Dark, with all the respect, I must generally disagree with the reasons you listed, regarding the low number of active Clok-players.Namely, when it comes to lags, I must admit, I am a quite impatient player myself as well, but still, after playing the MUD over many hours during the last 2 days, I haven't experienced too much annoying issues...ok, sometimes there indeed were a few second lags, but those were by far not enough to drive me away from the game!As for your other mentioned reason, Clok is already an extremely "rich" and diverse MUD, and the fact of not regularily updating, improving it even further, shouldn't drive its, accordingly, so far so faithful and devoted players away either.Of course this is only my personal opinion, you, and the most of other VIP, or even sighted gamers may disagree with it, it all depends on what we actually expect from a game.Again, as for myself, I would definitely not stop playing a game, wh ich finally, initially fulfills all my primary, leading expectations, merely due occasional few second lags, or the lack of even further updates and improvements.Sure, new (progressive) features and additions are always welcomed by, and exciting for me too, but to totally quit an otherwise just perfect game, merely due the lack of them...no way! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308995#p308995 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-29
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well Dark, with all the respect, I must generally disagree with the reasons you listed, regarding the low number of active Clok-players.Namely, when it comes to lags, I must admit, I am a quite impatient player myself as well, but still, after playing the MUD over many hours during the last 2 days, I haven't experienced too much annoying issues...ok, sometimes there indeed were a few second lags, but those were by far not enough to drive me away from the game!As for your other mentioned reason, Clok is already an extremely "rich" and diverse MUD, and the fact of not regularily updating, improving it even further, shouldn't drive its, accordingly, so far so faithful and devoted players away either.Of course this is only my personal opinion, you, and the most of other VIP, or even sighted gamers may disagree with it, it all depends on what we actually expect from a game.Again, as for myself, I would definitely not stop playing a game, wh ich finally, initially fulfills all my primary, leading expectations, merely due occasional few second lags, or the lack of even further updates and improvements.Sure, new features and additions are always welcomed by, and exciting for me too, but to totally quit an otherwise just perfect game, merely due the lack of them...no way! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308995#p308995 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-29
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well Dark, with all the respect, I must generally disagree with the reasons you listed, regarding the low number of active Clok-players.Namely, when it comes to lags, I must admit, I am a quite impatient player myself as well, but still, after playing the MUD over many hours during the last 2 days, I haven't experienced too much annoying issues...ok, sometimes there indeed were a few second lags, but those were by far not enough to drive me away from the game!As for your other mentioned reason, Clok is already an extremely "rich" and diverse MUD, and the fact of not regularily updating, improving it even further, shouldn't drive its, accordingly, so far so faithful and devoted players away either.Of course this is only my personal opinion, you, and the most of other VIP, or even sighted gamers may disagree with it, it all depends on what we actually expect from a game.Again, as for myself, I would definitely not stop playing a game, wh ich finally, initially fulfills all my primary, leading expectations, merely due occasional few second lags, or the lack of even further updates and improvements.Sure, new features are always welcomed by, and exciting for me too, but to totally quit an otherwise just perfect game, merely due the lack of them...no way! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308995#p308995 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-29
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well Dark, with all the respect, I must generally disagree with the reasons you listed, regarding the low number of active Clok-players.Namely, when it comes to lags, I must admit, I am a quite impatient player myself as well, but still, after playing the MUD over many hours during the last 2 days, I haven't experienced too much annoying issues...ok, sometimes there indeed were a few second lags, but those were by far not enough to drive me away from the game!As for your other mentioned reason, Clok is already an extremely "rich" and diverse MUD, and the fact of not regularily updating, improving it even further, shouldn't drive its, accordingly, so far so faithful and devoted players away either.Of course this is only my personal opinion, you, and the most of other VIP, or even sighted gamers may disagree with it, it all depends on what we actually expect from a game.Again, as for myself, I would definitely not stop playing a game, wh ich finally, initially fulfills all my primary, leading expectations, merely due occasional few second lags, or the lack of even further updates and improvements. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308995#p308995 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-29
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well Dark, with all the respect, I must generally disagree with the reasons you listed, regarding the low number of active Clok-players.Namely, when it comes to lags, I must admit, I am a quite impatient player myself as well, but still, after playing the MUD over many hours during the last 2 days, I haven't experienced too much annoying issues...ok, sometimes there indeed were a few second lags, but those were by far not enough to drive me away from the game!As for your other mentioned reason, Clok is already an extremely "rich" and diverse MUD, and the fact of not regularily updating, improving it even further, shouldn't drive its, accordingly, so far so faithful and devoted players away either.Of course this is only my personal opinion, you, and the most of other VIP, or even sighted gamers may disagree with it, it all depends on what we actually expect from a game.Again, as for myself, I would definitely not quit playing a game, wh ich finally, initially fulfills all my primary, leading expectations, merely due occasional few second lags, or the lack of even further updates and improvements. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308995#p308995 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-29
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well Dark, with all the respect, I must generally disagree with the reasons you listed, regarding the low number of active Clok-players.Namely, when it comes to lags, I must admit, I am a quite impatient player myself as well, but still, after playing the MUD over many hours during the last 2 days, I haven't experienced too much annoying issues...ok, sometimes there indeed were a few second lags, but those were by far not enough to drive me away from the game!As for your other mentioned reason, Clok is already an extremely "rich" and diverse MUD, and the fact of not regularily updating, improving it even further, shouldn't drive its, accordingly, so far so faithful and devoted players away either.Of course this is only my personal opinion, you, and the most of other VIP, or even sighted gamers may disagree with it, it all depends on what we actually expect from a game. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308995#p308995 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-29
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well Dark, with all the respect, I must generally disagree with the reasons you listed, regarding the low number of active Clok-players.Namely, when it comes to lags, I must admit, I am a quite impatient player myself, but still, after playing the MUD over many hours during the last 2 days, I haven't experienced too much annoying issues...ok, sometimes there indeed were a few second lags, but those were by far not enough to drive me away from the game!As for your other mentioned reason, Clok is already an extremely "rich" and diverse MUD, and the fact of not regularily updating, improving it even further, shouldn't drive its, accordingly, so far so faithful and devoted players away either.Of course this is only my personal opinion, you, and the most of other VIP, or even sighted gamers may disagree with it, it all depends on what we actually expect from a game. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308995#p308995 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Hmmm Caccio where did you get the idea people hate clok? or hate the fact that there are no quests in the game? Indeed I submit for your consideration This topic about clok mud with 596 replies, and indeed if you look around the forum you will find more. I would suggest myself that the major reason there aren't more players in clok has nothing to do with people wanting quests and constraint, and far more to do with two much more practicaly matters, namely 1: the fact that apparently the game has been experiencing very serious server lag recently (I didn't find this myself when I played but apparently a lot of people have, to the point it's been offputting), and 2: the fact that the doesn't seem to have been updated much. When I played in 2014 a lot of things were promised, eg, more things to build such as lamps, glazing, glass making, a way to dig your own mines, more recipes etc. I personally really! wanted the ability to wear a miner's lamp in a helmet, or hang one on a cart, since having to put lamp into my wagon, thereby causing absolute darkness, memorize the exits then push my wagon into the enxt room and take my lamp out again just fiddly for the sake of fiddly (as if a lamp contained in a wagon wouldn't actually give light anyway). yet when I look at what updates have happened to Clok recently they have all been in the matter of small, one time only events. That is fair enough for players, but last I checked it felt as if the game is standing still, which is likely why people aren't playing as much as they used to, nothing to do with people having sense of malice towards the game or anything like that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308991#p308991 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-28
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... NEWS:It seems my opinion about Materia Magica was too hasty, I pretty soon discovered it also has level-dependent limitations, initially restricting both the movement, and the activities allowed to be performed, plus the impossibility of purchasing any armor, weapon, or other equipment with a level-requirement.However the good news is, that I finally did find a mud without such restrictions after all, right when I was about giving up the search, and the hope of its existence at all.The name is: ClokFinalyy, no leveling up system there, which usually prevents all types of the above mentioned, level-dependent restrictions, which were annoying me this much all the time!Finally, I am allowed to do whatever I want, pick an activity whichever I want, (from the list of round 50 featured ones), go to explore game-regions totally at will, normally all that at my own risk, and the only requirement for getting, that is to buying items is game-currency, (instea d of minimum level or experience), while the way of earning that currency is totally up to me, so all the choices, possibilities, decisions, are initially granted to all in Clok, without any limitations, meaning I am granted a total freedom of actions, right from the very start of the game!Furthermore, in that MUD, there is no chosen path, meaning, no action, no move, no decision one makes totally in vain, all actions are monitored, and rewarded with skill increases in the adequate, related, or associated categories, professions, activities, or statistics.There are only 2 things I regret in Clok, the 1st one is the lack of a more sophisticated soundpack, which would significantly improve the gameplay-experience, (the currently existing one is quite a poor one to be honest, especially for such a diverse game), while the 2nd lack is tightly related to the discussion-topic of this very forum-thread:Namely, due the lack of levels, quests, restrictions, and story-line, the number of regular, active players in Clok is very low, usually it remains under 10 during the whole day.But that is no wonder, after all the discussion in this forum-thread has proven to me, that my "old-style, old-fashioned" gamer-type, who prefers the total freedom of actions and movement in games, and disapproves all types of limitations and restrictions in them, (either caused by the leveling up system, or by the main story-line and its obligatory quests), has unfortunately fallen into a significant minority in modern gameworld. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308982#p308982 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-28
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... NEWS:It seems my opinion about Materia Magica was too hasty, I pretty soon discovered it also has level-dependent limitations, initially restricting both the movement, and the activities allowed to be performed, plus the impossibility of purchasing any armor, weapon, or other equipment with a level-requirement.However the good news is, that I finally did find a mud without such restrictions after all, right when I was about giving up the search, and the hope of its existence at all.The name is: ClokFinalyy, no leveling up system there, which usually prevents all types of the above mentioned, level-dependent restrictions, which were annoying me this much all the time!Finally, I am allowed to do whatever I want, pick an activity whichever I want, (from the list of round 50 featured ones), go to explore game-regions totally at will, normally all that at my own risk, and the only requirement for getting, that is to buying items is game-currency, (instea d of minimum level or experience), while the way of earning that currency is totally up to me, so all the choices, possibilities, decisions, are initially granted to all in Clok, without any limitations, meaning I am granted a total freedom of actions, right from the very start of the game!Furthermore, in that MUD, there is no chosen path, meaning, no action, no move, no decision one makes totally in vain, all actions are monitored, and rewarded with skill increases in the adequate, related, or associated categories, professions, activities, or statistics.There are only 2 things I regret in Clok, the 1st one is the lack of a more sophisticated soundpack, which would significantly improve the gameplay-experience, (the currently existing one is quite a poor one to be honest, especially for such a diverse game), while the 2nd lack is tightly related to the discussion-topic of this very forum-thread:Namely, due the lack of levels, quests, restrictions, and main story- line, the number of regular, active players in Clok is very low, usually it remains under 10 during the whole day.But that is no wonder, after all the discussion in this forum-thread has proven to me, that my "old-style, old-fashioned" gamer-type, who prefers the total freedom of actions and movement in games, and disapproves all types of limitations and restrictions in them, (either caused by the leveling up system, or by the main story-line and its obligatory quests), has unfortunately fallen into a significant minority in modern gameworld. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308982#p308982 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-28
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... NEWS:It seems my opinion about Materia Magica was too hasty, I pretty soon discovered it also has level-dependent limitations, initially restricting both the movement, and the activities allowed to be performed, plus the impossibility of purchasing any armor, weapon, or other equipment with a level-requirement.However the good news is, that I finally did find a mud without such restrictions after all, right when I was about giving up the search, and the hope of its existence at all.The name is: ClokFinalyy, no leveling up system there, which usually prevents all types of the above mentioned, level-dependent restrictions, which were annoying me this much all the time!Finally, I am allowed to do whatever I want, pick an activity whichever I want, go to explore game-regions totally at will, normally all that at my own risk, and the only requirement for getting, that is to buying items is game-currency, (instead of minimum level or experience), while th e way of earning that currency is totally up to me, so all the choices, possibilities, decisions, are initially granted to all in Clok, without any limitations, meaning I am granted a total freedom of actions, right from the very start of the game!Furthermore, in that MUD, there is no chosen path, meaning, no action, no move, no decision one makes totally in vain, all actions are monitored, and rewarded with skill increases in the adequate, related, or associated categories, professions, activities, or statistics.There are only 2 things I regret in Clok, the 1st one is the lack of a more sophisticated soundpack, which would significantly improve the gameplay-experience, (the currently existing one is quite a poor one to be honest, especially for such a diverse game), while the 2nd lack is tightly related to the discussion-topic of this very forum-thread:Namely, due the lack of levels, quests, restrictions, and main story-line, the number of regular, active players in Clok is very low, usually it remains under 10 during the whole day.But that is no wonder, after all the discussion in this forum-thread has proven to me, that my "old-style, old-fashioned" gamer-type, who prefers the total freedom of actions and movement in games, and disapproves all types of limitations and restrictions in them, (either caused by the leveling up system, or by the main story-line and its obligatory quests), has unfortunately fallen into a significant minority in modern gameworld. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308982#p308982 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-28
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... NEWS:It seems my opinion about Materia Magica was too hasty, I pretty soon discovered it also has level-dependent limitations, initially restricting both the movement, and the activities allowed to be performed, plus the impossibility of purchasing any armor, weapon, or other equipment with a level-requirement.However the good news is, that I finally did find a mud without such restrictions after all, right when I was about giving up the search, and the hope of its existence at all.The name is: ClokFinalyy, no leveling up system there, which usually prevents all types of the above mentioned, level-dependent restrictions, which were annoying me this much all the time!Finally, I can go wherever I want, pick an activity whichever I want, normally all that at my own risk, and the only requirement for getting, that is to buying items is game-currency, (instead of minimum level or experience), while the way of earning that currency is totally up to me, so all the choices, possibilities, and decisions are totally free in Clok, no limitations, right from the very start of the game!Furthermore, in that MUD, there is no chosen path, meaning, no action, no move, no decision one makes totally in vain, all actions are monitored, and rewarded with skill increases in the adequate, related, or associated categories, professions, activities, or statistics.There are only 2 things I regret in Clok, the 1st one is the lack of a more sophisticated soundpack, which would significantly improve the gameplay-experience, (the currently existing one is quite a poor one to be honest, especially for such a diverse game), while the 2nd lack is tightly related to the discussion-topic of this very forum-thread:Namely, due the lack of levels, quests, restrictions, and main story-line, the number of regular, active players in Clok is very low, usually it remains under 10 during the whole day.But that is no wonder, after all the discuss ion in this forum-thread has proven to me, that my "old-style, old-fashioned" gamer-type, who prefers the total freedom of actions and movement in games, and disapproves all types of limitations and restrictions in them, (either caused by the leveling up system, or by the main story-line and its obligatory quests), has unfortunately fallen into a significant minority in modern gameworld. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308982#p308982 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... @HulaHoop interesting. I have had recommendations for newmoon before, but looking at the website it didn't seem the game was getting any updates, a shame since it sounded interesting. I don't know if it would suit caccio since he is not a fan of quests to progress but I might give it a try. @Caccio I can say materiamagica had some of the best wilderness and exploration I've seen of any mud Ironically in what put me off the game was the very reverse of the problem you mentioned earlier. namely the marks and quests were impossible to find, and usually when you found them either woopse! you levelled too far to do them, or they required you to do them in some ridiculously short time with no idea where to go.This meant either basically sitting around with a wiki constantly open, which is down right depressing, or essentially wandering around the game hoping to stumble on the right quest target sooner or later, essentially turning it into more of a grind fest than something like aardwolf.As to Alteraeon, you won't like it if you don't like quests it is true. I love the quests and the progression and indeed some of the fixes for atmosphere that have been added to the game such as the ability to preview a corpse of a creature and get the description of it before it died (something I actually requested since I was tired of not being able to examine agro mobs), and the ability to actually be rewarded with experience for exploring an area. Still if you don't like quests Alter is probably not the game for you. As to miriani, I've heard too many nasty tales of unprovoked attacks, stranding and generally arsy behaviour from so called "pirates" who basically just like throwing their weight around and taking pot shots at newbies. I did hear the game cleared up somewhat, though I don't really want to risk that sort of thing myself since personally interact ing with other players is peripheral to me in a mud at best, and having my progress actually kyboshed by other players just because they feel like it is actively depressing. hay if I want to experience people's arbitrary decisions to be arsy at me because they can I don't need to play a game for that .Still maybe that has died off a bit recently? it's a shame, I love the idea some of those activities like exploring and artefact hunting and such, I just don't fancy trying to deal with the along the way. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308879#p308879 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-24
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... It seems I finally found a suitable fantasy RP MUD for myself too!(namely, Altereon hasn't sufficiently fullfilled my expectations)The name of my newest favorite of that genre is Materia Magica.It might be quest-oriented in general, but none of its quests restrict the possibility of free actions, movement, and exploration, the gameplay is very diverse, the towns are large, the game-map is truely huge, (even in the starting, "newbie" area), with a wide variety of landscapes to visit, creatures, monsters to fight at will, lots of classes, and even their combinations to choose from, or decide for, and a significant number of regular players to communicate, or interact with, which makes the game feel quite alive and active. (despite its "old age")However, I need some assistance regarding the MUD's soundpack:Namely, the ones listed on its homepage don't work properly with the VIP-client, (I can only hear the greeting, a nd the goodbye announcements), according the regular MM players, they are initially designed for the MushZ-client instead, and function perfectly with it.My problem is, that my MushZ-client is linked to Alteraeon by default, and I wouldn't want to make any changes in its settings for now.Should I download and configure a second MushZ-client now, associate Materia Magica with it, and then apply the MM-sounds to it, or You guys can suggest me an easier, and faster solution??? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308394#p308394 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-23
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... It seems I finally found a suitable fantasy RP MUD for myself too!(namely, Altereon hasn't sufficiently fullfilled my expectations)The name of my newest favorite of that genre is Materia Magica.It might be quest-oriented in general, but none of its quests restrict the possibility of free actions, movement, and exploration, the gameplay is very diverse, the towns are large, the game-map is truely huge, (even in the starting, "newbie" area), with a wide variety of landscapes to visit, creatures, monsters to fight at will, lots of classes, and even their combinations to choose from, or decide for, and a significant number of regular players to communicate, or interact with, which makes the game feel quite alive and active. (despite its "old age") URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308394#p308394 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-23
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... It seems I finally found a suitable fantasy RP MUD for myself too!(namely, Altereon hasn't sufficiently fullfilled my expectations)The name of my newest favorite of that genre is Materia Magica.It might be quest-oriented in general, but none of its quests restrict the possibility of free actions and exploration, the gameplay is very diverse, the game-map is truely huge, (even in the starting, URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308394#p308394 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-18
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Please ignore that last post of mine, it was obviously only a longer server-maintainance, both ports are functioning now.I just wonder, are there any important differences between those 2 MUD-versions at all, because I failed to encounter any so far, except some minor, almost totally insignificant ones... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307604#p307604 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-17
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well, in Prometheus-help, there is a list of available activities now, sorted by required status, so one can always check, which ones he/she is able to do at his/her current level.As for myself, right now I need a small favor, regarding both my VIP-client, and the Prometheus MUD:According the Prometheus homepage, the so called "new version" of the MUD, at port 2223 is currently closed, but the so called "classic one", at port 5551 should be still running.However, I cannot connect to any of those 2 at the moment, so I need a clue: Is that other, "classic" version temporarily unavailable as well, or there is something wrong with my VIP-client configuration-settings???Please, could someone of You people just check that out, by merely connecting to prometheus-enterprises.com, at port 5551, and see if the connection will work, meaning if the game will start, then post the result here?Edit:Personally I don't exper ience any further problems with my Vip-client, the other MUDs I started playing in it, (Miriani, 7th Plane, Vallhalla), are all running just fine. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307482#p307482 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-17
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well, in Prometheus-help, there is a list of available activities now, sorted by required status, so one can always check, which ones he/she is able to do at his/her current level.As for myself, right now I need a small favor, regarding both my VIP-client, and the Prometheus MUD:According the Prometheus homepage, the so called "new version" of the MUD, at port 2223 is currently closed, but the so called "classic one", at port 5551 should be still running.However, I cannot connect to any of those 2 at the moment, so I need a clue: Is that other, "classic" version temporarily unavailable as well, or there is something wrong with my VIP-client configuration-settings???Please, could someone of You people just check that out, by merely connecting to prometheus-enterprises.com, at port 5551, and see if the connection will work, meaning if the game will start, then post the result here? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307482#p307482 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
Re: Quests, quests, quests... Yes that was it, it seemed a bit of an arbitrary requirement given at the time I played it wasn't mentioned in help. I found similar problems with doing other things in the game as I remember, that and the fact that other things were a bit opaque, eg, once I'd done some salvaging and transported some passengers I was honestly wondering what there was to do next given that at that point I don't believe there was much indication of how advanced activities followed from less advanced ones. that is one thing I alays liked in cosmic rage, there was always some new activity to try the help files would tell you exactly what you need to try it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307398#p307398 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-17
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... I haven't noticed any radio-related feature in the game, (at least yet), all important communications, especially chatting, require a communicator now instead. (except the help-chat for newbies, which simply uses the command "new")The only annoying part is, that in order to use the communicator, one must either fly, or teleport to some other location of the starmap, and find a certain office there, where he/she needs to "read, understand, and accept the chat-rules, LOL! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307385#p307385 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
Re: Quests, quests, quests... Actually most if not all muds have the large number of help files. With promethius it was more a matter of lots of small things that didn't seem to be covered by help, eg I remember there was something about needing to go and talk to an npc to use a radio, and knowing where to start with activities or which activities you could do at which status levels was difficult. Again though this was some time ago and the game may have changed since. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307238#p307238 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-15
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... In Prometheus there is a huge help-database of contents, so in case you are not familiar with a game-element, or wish to find out all possible actions regarding an object, you just have to use either the "help", or the "commands" command, followed by the targeted _expression_.(at least that's how the MUD is currently functioning, and I like it working that way) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307164#p307164 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... I actually have come to enjoy crafting a bit more just because I like being able to look around the environment and make things out of elements of it. 7th plane can be found at host: 7thplane.netport: And there website is here As I said lack of descriptions sort of put me off but your mileage may vary, and I do love the systems and way the game works. As to promethius, updating the links in the db is easy enough. I probably ought to give the game another try and see where things are up to now. I know when I tried itpreviously I found it very difficult to start on activities due to a lot of things being a bit obscure if you hadn't played a mud of that type before, eg, knowing you need to go and talk to a given npc to get the in game radio working, or knowing which ship to buy and how to start on different activities, though do think that may well have changed these days. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307156#p307156 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-15
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Actually I don't like too extensive and diverse crafting-system in games, (like in Survive The Wild for example), I prefer when it's simplified to "combine 2 objects" level. (like in Dead Rising sequel, or in my newest favorite, Prometheus)I am more fond of diversity in available options, choices, alternatives, and varieties.I like encountering, and interacting with so far unexperienced game-elements, true, but crafting somehow always remained out of my interest.Still, will you please post here the host-name and the port number of that "7th Plane" MUD?Namely, it is not in the audiogames.net game-list...(after all, what have I got to lose by trying it out?)Edit:This reminds me, the URL link given here for Prometheus is way outdated, (on the game's description page), plus it's broken as well, the current, correct one is:http://www.pro metheus-enterprises.com/index.htmlAnd the up-to-date versions of soundpacks can be downloaded from here:http://www.prometheus-enterprises.com/soundpacks.htmlSo You can correct these informations now for those, who may become interested in the game in the future. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307114#p307114 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-15
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Actually I don't like too extensive and diverse crafting-system in games, (like in Survive The Wild for example), I prefer when it's simplified to "combine 2 objects" level. (like in Dead Rising sequel, or in my newest favorite, Prometheus)I am more fond of diversity in available options, choices, alternatives, and varieties.I like encountering, and interacting with so far unexperienced game-elements, true, but crafting somehow always remained out of my interest.Still, will you please post here the host-name and the port number of that "7th Plane" MUD?Namely, it is not in the audiogames.net game-list...(after all, what have I got to lose by trying it out?)Edit:This reminds me, the URL link given here for Prometheus is way outdated, (on the game's description page), plus it's broken as well, the current, correct one is:http://www.pro metheus-enterprises.com/index.htmlSo You can correct it now for those, who may become interested in the game in the future. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307114#p307114 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-15
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Actually I don't like too extensive and diverse crafting-system in games, (like in Survive The Wild for example), I prefer when it's simplified to "combine 2 objects" level. (like in Dead Rising sequel, or in my newest favorite, Prometheus)I am more fond of diversity in available options, choices, alternatives, and varieties.I like encountering, and interacting with so far unexperienced game-elements, true, but crafting somehow always remained out of my interest.Still, will you please post the host-name and the port number of that "7th Plane" game?Namely, it is not in the audiogames.net game-list...(after all, what have I got to lose by trying it out?) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307114#p307114 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Actually I don't like too extensive and diverse crafting-system in games, (like in Survive The Wild for example), I prefer when it's simplified to "combine 2 objects" level. (like in Dead Rising sequel, or in my newest favorite, Prometheus)I am more fond of diversity in available options, choices, alternatives, and varieties.I like encountering, and interacting with so far unexperienced game-elements, true, but crafting somehow always remained out of my interest. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307114#p307114 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Actually I don't like too extensive and diverse crafting-system in games, (like in Survive The Wild for example), I prefer when it's simplified to "combine 2 objects" level. (like in Dead Rising sequel, or in my newest favorite, Prometheus)I like encountering, and interacting with so far unexperienced game-elements, true, but crafting somehow always remained out of my interest. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307114#p307114 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Actually I don't like too extensive and diverse crafting-system in games, (like in Survive The Wild for example), I prefer when it's simplified to "combine 2 objects" level.I like encountering, and interacting with so far unexperienced game-elements, true, but crafting somehow always remained out of my interest. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307114#p307114 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Glad to help with vipmud, feel free to ask if you have other general question. I'll admit that in all of the Gma titles, the in game manuals perhaps as straight forward as they could be. I actually agree with you to an extent on exploring and seeing new things, indeed that is one thing I do like in manamon, hearing all the different creatures and getting their descriptions. IN terms of text though, I will say I've played too many games bare bones one line differences in like your black wolf, brown wolf, grey wolf, white wolf example to find those sorts of changes interesting if the colour is literally all that changes and the wolves themselves don't react differently or require anything different from me to deal with. Indeed I was recently playing a mud entitled 7th which you might actually like, but found myself losing interest precisely because! everything in the game has one line descriptions, though if that sort of thing doesnt' b other you 7th plane might be another mud you'd enjoy since it is pretty much all" free form exploration and the activities, crafting and stuff to discover is great, (see the topic in new releases). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307010#p307010 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Many thanks for all those useful informations Dark, now I can finally configure that VIP-client the way it suits me the most!As for the exploration matter, unlike to those, who primarily aim to progress, and level-up during it, I generally like to explore to encounter new, so far unseen, unexperienced things, things different from those, which I already encountered so far.(even if they differ only slightly from the already known elements, they are already worth the time, and efforts spent on finding them)For example, if I met a brown, a grey, and a black wolf so far, merely running into a white one is already an interesting, or even exciting event for me.The same goes for buildings, like stores or shops, finding those, which sell different categories of items from the already known ones, or just different variations of an already known item-type, is enough for me to spend a long time with the game, and very likely gett addicted to it even!So we can say, that I usually don't explore for progress, but for the sake of...sheer exploration.Normally, if that is also rewarded with a progress, it's fine by me, but I won't mind much even if it is not.(as long I am not limited, or restricted while doing it)I hope this helps you totally realizing my exploration-attitude, along with my preferred game-expectations. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307001#p307001 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Many thanks for all those useful informations Dark, now I can finally configure that VIP-client the way it suits me the most!As for the exploration matter, unlike to those, who primarily aim to progress, and level-up during it, I generally like to explore to encounter new, so far unseen, unexperienced things, things different from those, which I already encountered so far.(even if they differ only slightly from the already known elements, they are already worth the time, and efforts spent on finding them)For example, if I met a brown, a grey, and a black wolf so far, merely running into a white one is already an interesting, or even exciting event for me.The same goes for buildings, like stores or shops, finding those, which sell different categories of items from the already known ones, or just different variations of an already known item-type, is enough for me to spend a long time with the game, and very likely gett addicted to it even!So we can say, that I usually don't explore for progress, but for the sake of...sheer exploration.Normally, if that is also rewarded by progressing, it's fine by me, but I won't mind much even if it is not.(as long I am not limited, or restricted while doing it)I hope this helps you totally realizing my exploration-attitude, along with my preferred game-expectations. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307001#p307001 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Many thanks for all those useful informations Dark, now I can finally configure that VIP-client the way it suits me the most!As for the exploration matter, unlike to those, who primarily aim to progress, and level-up during it, I generally like to explore to encounter new, so far unseen, unexperienced things, things different from those, which I already encountered so far.(even if they differ only slightly from the already known elements, they are already worth the time, and efforts spent on finding them)For example, if I met a brown, a grey, and a black wolf so far, merely running into a white one is already an interesting, or even exciting event for me.The same goes for buildings, like stores or shops, finding those, which sell different categories of items from the already known ones, or just different variations of an already known item-type, is enough for me to spend a long time with the game, and very likely gett addicted to it even!So we can say, that I usually don't explore for progress, but for the sake of...sheer exploration.Normally, if that is also rewarded by progressing, it's fine by me, but I won't mind much even if it is not.I hope this helps you totally realizing my exploration-attitude, along with my preferred game-expectations. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307001#p307001 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Many thanks for all those useful informations Dark, now I can finally configure that VIP-client the way it suits me the most!As for the exploration matter, unlike to those, who primarily aim to progress, and level-up during it, I generally like to explore to encounter new, so far unseen, unexperienced things, things different from those, which I already encountered so far.(even if they differ only slightly from the already known elements, they are already worth the time, and efforts spent on finding them)For example, if I met a brown, a grey, and a black wolf so far, merely running into a white one is already an interesting, or even exciting event for me.The same goes for buildings, like stores or shops, finding those, which sell different categories of items from the already known ones, or just different variations of an already known item-type, is enough for me to spend a long time with the game, and very likely gett addicted to it even!So we can say, that I usually don't explore for progress, but for the sake of...sheer exploration.I hope this helps you totally realizing my exploration-attitude, along with my preferred game-expectations. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307001#p307001 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Many thanks for all those useful informations Dark, now I can finally configure that VIP-client the way it suits me the most!As for the exploration matter, unlike to those, who primarily aim to progress, and level-up during it, I generally like to explore to encounter new, so far unseen, unknown things, things different from those, which I already encountered so far.(even if they differ only slightly from the already known elements, they are already worth the time, and efforts spent on finding them)For example, if I met a brown, a grey, and a black wolf so far, merely running into a white one is already an interesting, or even exciting event for me.The same goes for buildings, like stores or shops, finding those, which sell different categories of items from the already known ones, or just different variations of an already known item-type, is enough for me to spend a long time with the game, and very likely gett addicted to it even!So we can say, that I usually don't explore for progress, but for the sake of...sheer exploration.I hope this helps you totally realizing my exploration-attitude, along with my preferred game-expectations. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307001#p307001 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Many thanks for all those useful informations Dark, now I can finally configure that VIP-client the way it suits me the most!As for the exploration matter, unlike to those, who aim to progress during it, I generally like doing it to encounter new, so far unseen, unknown things, things different from those, which I already encountered so far.(even if they differ only slightly from the already known elements, they are already worth the time, and efforts spent on finding them)For example, if I met a brown, a grey, and a black wolf so far, merely running into a white one is already an interesting, or even exciting event for me.The same goes for buildings, like stores or shops, finding those, which sell different categories of items from the already known ones, or just different variations of an already known item-type, is enough for me to spend a long time with the game, and very likely gett addicted to it even!I hope this helps you totally realizing m y exploration-attitude, along with my preferred game-expectations. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307001#p307001 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Oh yes, and I still have an issue regarding the VIP-client.Luckily it's nothing serious, but still slightly annoying.Namely, it seems it has a game named Valhalla attached to it by default, and a user named Fred Valhalla associated with it, so that each time I run the client, that game automatically starts for that user, instead of just starting "blank", idle that is, (or eventually linked to Prometheus instead), which is the way I would prefer, because the Valhalla-registration-warning-alerts for that Freddy guy, are recently starting to go to my nerves!First of all, I have no idea why that game, and that user were attached to that client at all, which I downloaded from the GTM website, following a link given here in some MUD-game-description, (no, it wasn't Valhalla), and as second, I would really like to finally get rid of that annoyance, by every single start of the client.!So I will welcome any hints, suggestions, assisting mein that matter!Edit:Dark, you may had the feeling of "not going anywhere" in that Voyager game, but for me, merely listening to the descriptions of all those new, various planets, would already provide enough fun, probably for a long-long time...so now I really deeply regret owning no IOS based device! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306991#p306991 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Oh yes, and I still have an issue regarding the VIP-client.Luckily it's nothing serious, but still slightly annoying.Namely, it seems it has a game named Valhalla attached to it by default, and a user named Fred Valhalla associated with it, so that each time I run the client, that game automatically starts for that user, instead of just starting "blank", idle that is, (or eventually linked to Prometheus instead), which is the way I would prefer, because the Valhalla-registration-warning-alerts for that Freddy guy, are recently starting to go to my nerves!First of all, I have no idea why that game, and that user were attached to that client at all, which I downloaded from the GTM website, following a link given here in some MUD-game-description, (no, it wasn't Valhalla), and as second, I would really like to finally get rid of that annoyance, by every single starting of the client.!So I will welcome any hints, suggestions, assisting me in that matter!Edit:Dark, you may had the feeling of "not going anywhere" in that Voyager game, but for me, merely listening to the descriptions of all those new, various planets, would already provide enough fun, probably for a long-long time...so now I really deeply regret owning no IOS based device! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306991#p306991 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Oh yes, and I still have an issue regarding the VIP-client.Luckily it's nothing serious, but still slightly annoying.Namely, it seems it has a game named Valhalla attached to it by default, and a user named Fred Valhalla associated with it, so that each time I run the client, that game automatically starts for that user, instead of just starting "blank", idle that is, (or eventually linked to Prometheus instead), which is the way I would prefer, because the Valhalla-registration-warning-alerts for that Freddy guy, are recently starting to go to my nerves!First of all, I have no idea why that game, and that user were attached to that client at all, which I downloaded from the GTM website, following a link given here in some MUD-game-description, (no, it wasn't Valhalla), and as second, I would really like to get rid of that annoyance!So I will welcome any hints, suggestions, assisting me in that matter! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306991#p306991 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Oh yes, and I still have an issue regarding the VIP-client.Luckily it's nothing serious, but still slightly annoying.Namely, it seems it has a game named Valhalla attached to it by default, and a user named Fred Valhalla associated with it, so that each time I run the client, that game automatically starts for that user, instead of just starting "blank" or idle, (or eventually linked to Prometheus instead), which is the way I would prefer, for the Valhalla-registration-warnings for that Freddy guy are recently starting to go to my nerves!First of all, I have no idea why that game, and that user were attached to that client at all, which I downloaded from the GTM website, following a link given here in some MUD-game-description, (no, it wasn't Valhalla), and as second, I would really like to get rid of that annoyance!So I will welcome any hints, suggestions, assisting me in that matter! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306991#p306991 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Ah nobody lieks poor Fred . Fred is an example of a character profile. In vipmud you can create these for different muds you play and even get the game to auto login for you. Why David greenwood used Valhalla as his example and included fred I'm not sure, but there you go. to delete fred just use up and down arrows to select from the character list and hit delete, you'll be asked to confirm. You can also go to the "quick connect" menu and delete any of the default muds vipmud comes with if you want too.If the character list doesn't show up at start up you can find it with alt c for the characters menu and the first item, eg, character setup/connect (you probably used the "Quick connect" option from that menu to connect to the mud. to create a new character profile go to that "character setup/connect " menu item, tab to "add" and hit enter then fill in the fields, you can also select the mud from the list which will fill in server and port numbers, and include name and password and check "auto login" if you want. There are two main advantages to creating profiles. Firstly it's quicker and easier than using quick connect especially auto login, I have a vipmud shortcut on my desktop I can connect back to the last mud I played by simply using the shortcut key I setup for Vipmud and hitting enter a couple of times. Secondly, character pfiles are what vipmud uses to store sounds and scripts, which you will need if you download soundpacks or write your own scripts and triggers such. Hth. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306994#p306994 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Caccio72 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests... The main question is, what is our main, primary goal when/while plaing games?Is it focused on progressing, advancing in the game, mostly by leveling up, or it is more about entertaining ourselves the way we prefer the most, and by doing so, don't care about faster leveling up at all.I must admit, I normally did somewhat care about faster progressing in games during my "sighted" period, since I had the urge to actively compete with other players, by "showing, proving them what I am made of!"However, since I lost my vision, that approach of mine has quite significantly changed.Namely, recently I don't initially, and primarily aim to compete with other players in, or about a game, (meaning online or offline), but I concentrate more on the possibility to experience games the way I like the most.(btw, in my situation, I probably wouldn't stand a chance in competing anyway, due being in a significant disadvantage compare d to both sighted, and blind players as well, since the vast majority of those were already born, and lived their whole life blind, so that they got used, and adopted to that state much better, than I myself probably ever will)That is why I recently prefer games which grant me that above mentioned possibility, even if it results in significantly slowing down my game progress.And that is exactly the reason why I got so much delighted over the game Prometheus, where I am actually still only level 1, after of 2 days of very regular playing, for what matters to me is, that it provides me the very best, most pleasent gaming-experience since my vision loss, primarily by letting me playing it exactly the way I want!(almost all the time, instead of engaging into activities which reward players with experience to progress, I was just walking around over various sites and location, visiting their large variety of shops and stores, studying their menus and list of offers, en joying the site-seeing in general, and of course interacting, chatting with other players) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306986#p306986 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Caccio72 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests... Oh yes, and I still have an issue regarding the VIP-client.Luckily it's nothing serious, but still slightly annoying.Namely, it seems it has a game named Valhalla attached to it by default, and a user named Fred Valhalla associated with it, so that each time I run the client, that game automatically starts for that user, instead of just starting "blank" or idle, which is the way I would prefer, for the Valhalla-registration-warnings for that Freddy guy are recently starting to go to my nerves!First of all, I have no idea why that game, and that user were attached to that client at all, which I downloaded from the GTM website, following a link given here in some MUD-game-description, (no, it wasn't Valhalla), and as second, I would really like to get rid of that annoyance!So I will welcome any hints, suggestions, assisting me in that matter! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306991#p306991 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well glad you found a game that suits you caccio. Actually I'd have classed myself very much in the same way as you do. All about the exploring and atmosphere only with levelling just a side bennifit. I actively dislike or player conflict in games, mostly because I want to progress at my own pace and don't my game spoiled by others' opposition or my need to oppose others. Similarly, I always read all the descriptions, listen to the sounds, see what I can see of all the graphics etc, rarely if ever shortcut on details, indeed I once read the entire second edition D monsters manual just because I loved reading the descriptions of various fantasy beasties . For me however, there is also what I tend to think of as the experiencial element.If I am playing an rpg and get a new attack, I want to try it out to see what it lo oks or sounds like, indeed part of the reward of getting that new attack is the new attack in and of itself, as something new in the game to try.I had this problem recently with the game voyajeur on Ios. A great game with wonderfully beautiful randomly generating descriptions of planets, however what you did in the game basically didn't vary. Dock at a planet, read it's description, pick up goods trade them, choose a new destination, rince, repeat (in voyajeur you could never go back to a previously visited planet, you literally just constantly flew on). I am told the game has an ending, certainly it has progressive traits that increase, but I haven't felt the urge to play further after my first playthrough simply because while the descriptions of the randomly generated planets my ship docked at were very beautiful and wonderful to read, what I was doing in the game never varied. If a game has me continually doing the same thing, even the same things with bigger numbers, I will eventually start feeling that I'm not actually getting anywhere even if the game's environments and atmosphere anre well described, after if all I need to do to mine or chop trees is to type one command or click one button and do it automatically, what is the point in learning mining after time spent logging or going to the mountains to see what mining is like, since for me as a player mining will feel pretty much the same as logging. If however there is something progressive going on, eg, if I am told to go and mine ore for an npc who needs it for some important reson, then even though mining might feel! in action terms just like logging, I will be conscious of moving into new territory. of course the more involved a games' activities, and the more I need to use my judgement as opposed to simply being presented with a repetitive task, the less likely I will be to start feeling static, one reason why I get rath er sick of all those online rpgs which have automatic combat. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306988#p306988 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Caccio72 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests... The main question is, what is our main, primary goal when/while plaing games?Is it focused on progressing, advancing in the game, mostly by leveling up, or it is more about entertaining ourselves the way we prefer the most, and by doing so, don't care about faster leveling up at all.I must admit, I normally did somewhat care about faster progressing in games during my "sighted" period, since I had the urge to actively compete with other players, by "showing, proving them what I am made of!"However, since I lost my vision, that approach of mine has quite significantly changed.Namely, recently I don't initially, and primarily aim to compete with other players in, or about a game, (meaning online or offline), but I concentrate more on the possibility to experience games the way I like the most.(btw, in my situation, I probably wouldn't stand a chance in competing anyway, due being in a significant disadvantage compare d to both sighted, and blind players as well, since the vast majority of those were already born, and lived their whole life blind, so that they got used, and adopted to that state much better, than I myself probably ever will)That is why I recently prefer games which grant me that above mentioned possibility, even if it results in significantly slowing down my game progress.And that is exactly the reason why I got so much delighted over the game Prometheus, where I am actually still only level 1, after of 2 days of very regular playing, for what matters to me is, that it provides me the very best, most pleasent gaming-experience since my vision loss, primarily by letting me playing it exactly the way I want!(almost all the time, instead of engaging into activities which reward players with experience to progress, I was just walking around over various sites and location, visiting their large variety of shops and stores, studying their menus and list of offers, an d enjoying the site-seeing in general) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306986#p306986 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Caccio72 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests... The main question is, what is our main, primary goal when/while plaing games?Is it focused on progressing, advancing in the game, mostly by leveling up, or it is more about entertaining ourselves the way we prefer the most, and by doing so, don't care about faster leveling up at all.I must admit, I normally did somewhat care about faster progressing in games during my "sighted" period, since I had the urge to actively compete with other players, by "showing, proving them what I am made of!"However, since I lost my vision, that approach of mine has quite significantly changed.Namely, recently I don't initially, and primarily aim to compete with other players in, or about a game, (meaning online or offline), but I concentrate more on the possibility to experience games the way I like the most.(btw, in my situation, I probably wouldn't stand a chance in competing anyway, due being in a significant disadvantage compare d to both sighted, and blind players as well, since the vast majority of those were already born, and lived their whole life blind, so that they got used, and adopted to that state much better, than I myself probably ever will)That is why I recently prefer games which grant me that above mentioned possibility, even if it results in significantly slowing down my game progress.And that is exactly the reason why I got so much delighted over the game Prometheus, where I am actually still only level 1, after of 2 days of very regular playing, for what matters to me is, that it provides me the very best, most pleasent gaming-experience since my vision loss, primarily by letting me playing it exactly the way I want! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306986#p306986 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Hmmm Gemini you do bring up an interesting point, since I have noticed on occasion games which are literally so! open they make any play progress impossible simply due to lack of information. This indeed kept happening in 4dimensions mud where I'd try something and then find I needed something or someone else that was miles away or literally impossible to find. For example one problem had which I detailed in the 4dimensions topic was where an npc told me to bring them a bundle of skins, and it actually turned out that "bundle" in this case didn't just mean a number of skins bundled together, but an actual skin container needed to hold skins, a container which you needed to get from an entirely different zone, indeed an entirely different time period of the game.I'm quite happy with exploring, but simply wandering around a map at random which is about ten thousand rooms in size even I! can get a little disheartened if there isn 't an idea of where to find something I need for some process task or progression, eg, I do remember in wayfare1444 once spending literally days running over the planet map looking for a place where I could gather sand!yes sand! (sadly the ascii map available to others wasn't accessible and this was before the gm had let us search for different terrain types in the game). then there is the problem of simply not knowing which actions in a given place are needed to find something, eg, I recently had trouble in lament because I wanted to start weaving but couldn't find any plants with fibres to weave and no where was I informed in the help files that I just needed to gather flax pretty much on any wilderness tyle.Of course, this is also more of a problem in games such as muds which work on text descriptions and inputting commands, since if you are talking about an audiogame, or a graphical game where you can explore around and simpy find flax lying on the floor it's less of an issue though even there it might be a problem if there is some obscurity to use or pgoression in some way that is not clear, eg, there is a gem gathering activity but nobody tells you you to have raised your perception stat to actually find the gems on the map, though I agree in those cases of activities being told "go and find gems" is far more interesting than being told "go five north, two east and one south to find the gem quarry and dig there"Generally speaking I'd say part of the difference in terms of direction a difference between activities based on searching and quests based on a distinct story. "activities" whether that be shooting zombies, gathering craftable materials or finding asteroids in your spaceship to mine can be absolutely fine with little to no direction so long as you know you might! find commands/or processes to progress with them and the game isn't so complex that you r lyable to simply do the wrong thing, eg, scan for planetoids rather than asteroids or not know where to gather sand.Quests on the other hand with ongoing story will get frustrating if there isn't enough direction, since it's one thing to be told "go seak the sage of courage to learn your destiny" if you have no dam idea where to find! the sage of courage, anyone who remembers the smugglers 3 marriage where you were told a vague star system reference on where to find a pirate will know just what I mean, one reason smugglers 5 just gave you a scanner and told you what system to look in for bounty missions.Of course the better written quests will also be able to direct you without directing you through the design of the game. Eg, you will be told to seak the sage of courage, then just outside your village you might encounter a fisherman who offers you his boat if you'll do some fishing for him on the river. When you go to the river to do the fishing you then run into a frog which turns out to have been the sage of courage magically transformed etc. Indeed that sort of quest sequence can actually be satisfying since it can give you the impression that making choices even when on a specific path, or even let you explore fairly extensively but never be short on where you need to go to continue the story. It's ironic how much difference I once experienced in two different tabletop games between one gm who said "You ride into the village and such and such happens", and another who said "okay, your outside the village what do you want to do?" Of course as I said above, unfortunately you only can! have that sort of true creativity with a human gm who is as creative as her/his players and can form a story around them, eg if the gm has a plot involving a mad woodcutter the players might encounter him in the village if they enter, or outside in the forest if they do n't, but clever writing and game construction can give this impression if a quest is well written enough, after all this is exactly ho
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
Re: Quests, quests, quests... Hmmm Gemini you do bring up an interesting point, since I have noticed on occasion games which are literally so! open they make any play progress impossible simply due to lack of information. This indeed kept happening in 4dimensions mud where I'd try something and then find I needed something or someone else that was miles away or literally impossible to find. For example one problem had which I detailed in the 4dimensions topic was where an npc told me to bring them a bundle of skins, and it actually turned out that "bundle" in this case didn't just mean a number of skins bundled together, but an actual skin container needed to hold skins, a container which you needed to get from an entirely different zone of the game.I'm quite happy with exploring, but simply wandering around a map is about ten thousand rooms in size even I! can get a little disheartened if there isn't an idea of where to find something I need for some proce ss, eg, I do remember in wayfare1444 once spending literally days running over the planet map looking for a place where I could gather sand!yes sand! (sadly the ascii map available to others wasn't accessible and this was before the gm had let us search for different eterrain types in the game). then there is the problem of simply not knowing which actions in a given place are needed to find something, eg, I recently had trouble in lament because I wanted to start weaving but couldn't find any plants with fibres to weave and no where was I informed in the help files that I just needed to gather flax pretty much on any wilderness tyle.Of course, this is also more of a problem in games such as muds which work on text descriptions and inputting commands, since if you are talking about an audiogame, or a graphical game where you can explore around and simpy find flax lying on the floor it's less of an issue though even there. Generally spea king I'd say it's a difference between activities based on searching and quests based on a distinct story. "activities" wheather that be shooting zombies, gathering craftable materials or finding asteroids in your spaceship to mine can be absolutely fine with little to no direction so long as you know you might! find commands/processes to start them up the game isn't so complex that your lyable to simply do the wrong thing, eg, scan for planetoids rather than asteroids or not know where to gather sand.Quests on the other hand with ongoing story will get frustrating if there isn't enough direction, since it's one thing to be told "go seak the sage of courage to learn your destiny" if you have no dam idea where to find! the sage of courage . Of course the better written quests will also be able to direct you without directing you through the design of the game. Eg, you will be told to seak the sage of courage, then just outside your village you might encounter a fisherman who offers you his boat if you'll do some fishing for him on the river. When you go to the river do the fishing you then run into the sage of courage etc. Indeed that sort of quest sequence can actually be satisfying since it can give you the impression that making choices even when on a specific path, or even let you explore fairly extensively but never be short on where you need to go to continue the story. It's ironic how much difference I once experienced in two different tabletop games between one gm who said "You ride into the village and such and such happens", and another who said "okay, your outside the village what do you want to do?" Of course as I said above, unfortunately you only can! have that sort of true creativity with a human gm who is as creati ve as her/his players and can form a story around them, eg if the gm has a plot involving a mad woodcutter the players might encounter him in the village if they enter, or outside in the forest if they don't, but clever writing and game construction can give this impression if a quest is well written enough. of course this is assuming that one likes narrative quests in the first place. Myself I like a mix dependent upon the game, though even in a heavy activity based game where I am say crafting or mining or hell just exploring around and finding things to fight, I to feal that I'm actively moving purposefully rather than flailing around. Iindeed this might be simply the distinction, people like purposive action as opposed to purposeless, pointless action (we have enough of that in everyday life). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306958#p306958 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Personally I see both points here. Honestly think you might be taking the no help to an extreme though. I want to understand what I'm doing, but don't want my hand held. That being said don't throw me into a game and expect me to know what to do. That's just not fun for me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306959#p306959 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Hmmm Gemini you do bring up an interesting point, since I have noticed on occasion games which are literally so! open they make any play progress impossible simply due to lack of information. This indeed kept happening in dimensions mud where I'd try something and then find I needed something or someone else that was miles away or literally impossible to find. For example one problem had which I detailed in the 4dimensions topic was where an npc told me to bring them a bundle of skins, and it actually turned out that "bundle" in this case didn't just mean a number of skins bundled together, but an actual skin container needed to hold skins, a container which you needed to get from an entirely different zone of the game.I'm quite happy with exploring, but simply wandering around a map is about ten thousand rooms in size even I! can get a little disheartened if there isn't an idea of where to find something I need for some proces s, eg, I do remember in wayfare1444 once spending literally days running over the planet map looking for a place where I could gather sand!yes sand! (sadly the ascii map available to others wasn't accessible and this was before the gm had let us search for different eterrain types in the game). then there is the problem of simply not knowing which actions in a given place are needed to find something, eg, I recently had trouble in lament because I wanted to start weaving but couldn't find any plants with fibres to weave and no where was I informed in the help files that I just needed to gather flax pretty much on any wilderness tyle.Of course, this is also more of a problem in games such as muds which work on text descriptions and inputting commands, since if you are talking about an audiogame, or a graphical game where you can explore around and simpy find flax lying on the floor it's less of an issue though even there. Generally speak ing I'd say it's a difference between activities based on searching and quests based on a distinct story. "activities" wheather that be shooting zombies, gathering craftable materials or finding asteroids in your spaceship to mine can be absolutely fine with little to no direction so long as you know you might! find commands/processes to start them up the game isn't so complex that your lyable to simply do the wrong thing, eg, scan for planetoids rather than asteroids or not know where to gather sand.Quests on the other hand with ongoing story will get frustrating if there isn't enough direction, since it's one thing to be told "go seak the sage of courage to learn your destiny" if you have no dam idea where to find! the sage of courage . Of course the better written quests will also be able to direct you without directing you through the design of the game. Eg, you will be told to seak the sage of courage, then just outside your village you might encounter a fisherman who offers you his boat if you'll do some fishing for him on the river. When you go to the river do the fishing you then run into the sage of courage etc. Indeed that sort of quest sequence can actually be satisfying since it can give you the impression that making choices even when on a specific path, or even let you explore fairly extensively but never be short on where you need to go to continue the story. It's ironic how much difference I once experienced in two different tabletop games between one gm who said "You ride into the village and such and such happens", and another who said "okay, your outside the village what do you want to do?" Of course as I said above, unfortunately you only can! have that sort of true creativity with a human gm who is as creativ e as her/his players and can form a story around them, eg if the gm has a plot involving a mad woodcutter the players might encounter him in the village if they enter, or outside in the forest if they don't, but clever writing and game construction can give this impression if a quest is well written enough. of course this is assuming that one likes narrative quests in the first place. Myself I like a mix dependent upon the game, though even in a heavy activity based game where I am say crafting or mining or hell just exploring around and finding things to fight, I to feal that I'm actively moving purposefully rather than flailing around. Iindeed this might be simply the distinction, people like purposive action as opposed to purposeless, pointless action (we have enough of that in everyday life). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306958#p306958 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GeminiLancer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well what about the people that are not creative? I myself require a little structure to be able to function. If you give me a gigantic map with all these towns, wilds, undergrounds, NPCS, etc., I will have no idea where to start. I want to play a game that rewards me when I finally earn the right to access the Royal Armory, not one that just hands it to me because I stumbled hap-hasardly into it while wondering aimlessly around the globe. Quest masters also give you insight into where the secret areas of the game are. I want to find these secret areas. I don't want to have to wonder and wonder, talk and talk, search and search for something that I may never find because it's barried in a world with no direction.Now that being said, I understand your point completely, so don't go off on another rant of how nobody understands your point. I get it. Afterall, I play games to escape the confinds of reality, and become a product of my own creation, nobody elses. Y es I follow a storyline, or orders, or concept, but there is no such game that is not dictated by one of those in some way shape or form. Even an artist, who paints in the middle of the jungle with no interaction of the outside world, has a force guiding his brush. His ideas and expressions are not his own, but in fact brought on by the environment he is surrounded by. So although there is no specific person telling him what to do or what to think, he is still influenced by the world around him. Nobody can say, I have created something without any external influence. Same goes for games as they are man made, not something naturally occurring. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306931#p306931 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : CAE_Jones via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests... No. As a general rule, the more awesome an idea, the less demoable progress I've made with it. Like, the sorts of things where I thought I could do it with pocket lent and the VAA, but it turns out doing them without enough money to buy a house (or at least a braille display) is ridiculously difficult.I mean, there are a couple that I was able to do concept recordings for, but they've gone no further for reasons. ... I think. If there are actually no reasons, I will have words with the Green Lantern Corps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306901#p306901 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : zakc93 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests... Lol CAE, would it help if you release one of those games even if it isn't near completion? Maybe player feedback will motivate you to finish it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306869#p306869 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Caccio72 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests... LOL, I prefer to explore, and find out the possibilities and features of a game myself, by experiencing them step-by-step, even if it's the so called "hard way" for doing that, it still provides me much more fun, remember?So it is no wonder I like those 2 games, where I am let to encounter all the offered game-features by myself, instead of being "guided" by some unwanted tutorials, or starting, introduction-type quests! (a.k.a. finding out more about the game, as you said)As for how heavily PvP-centric those games are, I haven't experienced it yet, namely I got so much fascinated by large variety of shops, that I am still on a "shopping route" on my starting planet, LOL! (in both games)Regarding the VIP-client, I trust your experience, so I shall just continue using it unregistered, and try to simply ignore its threatening comments about "time remaining". URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306773#p306773 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-12
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... LOL, I prefer to explore, and find out the possibilities and features of a game myself, by experiencing them step-by-step, even if it's the so called "hard way" for doing that, it still provides me much more fun, remember?So it is no wonder I like those 2 games, where I am let to encounter all the offered game-features by myself, instead of being "guided" by some unwanted tutorials, or starting, introduction-type quests! (a.k.a. finding out more about the game, as you said)As for how heavily PvP-centric those games are, I haven't experienced it yet, namely I got so much fascinated by large variety of shops, that I am still on a "shopping route" on my starting planet, LOL! (in both games)As for the VIP-client, I trust your experience, so I shall just continue using it unregistered, and try to simply ignore its threatening comments about "time remaining". URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306773#p306773 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-12
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... LOL, I prefer to explore, and find out the possibilities and features of a game myself, by experiencing them step-by-step, even if it's the so called "hard way" for doing that, it still provides me much more fun, remember?So it is no wonder I like those 2 games, where I am let to encounter all the offered game-features by myself, instead of being "guided" by some unwanted tutorials, or starting, introduction-type quests! (a.k.a. finding out more about the game, as you said)As for the VIP-client, I trust your experience, so I shall just continue using it unregistered, and try to simply ignore its threatening comments about "time remaining". URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306773#p306773 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-12
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... This thread is interesting!So, I've been kicking around some terminology distinctions lately, and this discussion seems relevant to that.Namely, I find myself wanting to distinguish "games" from "simulators".Call of Duty is objectively more realistic, more complex, and more optimized based on for mass-market enjoyment, as compared to Duke Nukem 2. I do not care and I like Duke Nukem 2 and wish I could get my computer to play it without having to set up a complicated chain of MSdOS emulators, never mind the inaccessibility.DN2 is a game. For these purposes, CoD is a simulator--yes, I know it has a single player campaign, but even then, it seems more sim-like to me. While I don't think this is what the developers of DN2 were aiming for (see Duke Nukem 3D), it's what happened, because DN2 came out in, like, 1993.(OK, DN2 is a bad example. It's divided into 4 "e pisodes", and you are under no obligation to play them in order. But you are limited to the highest level you've reached within each episode, so there's that, I guess.)This game -> sim distinction is not something I made up, of course. It first came to my attention... OK, it first came to my attention regarding rides vs simulators, at Space-Camp. But game-wise, there was once this big quality debate over the ps2 era Dragonball Z games. The old-school gamers were largely disappointed with the SPARKING! series. Someone who is more of a sim guy pointed out that the SPARKING! games aren't really games, so much as DBZ simulators.Of course, people usually use simulator in a narrower sense, and I think some of that has to do with what you're talking about, Caccio. Aprone's games do an interesting job of riding the line, so to speak--Swamp is more or less a Zombie Survival sim, but he's always tried to focus on the more game-like elements over the sim-like elements (I think a lot of the feature-demanding and so on are from more of a sim-based mindset). Similarly with Castaways and Lunimals.But I also think Swamp is a middling example of what you're talking about: on the one hand, it is not very linear and the player is given lots of freedom (Ur, ignoring 3.5), but lots of areas, missions, items, etc are level-locked.Whereas it sounds like you want something that is truly free-roaming, without any restrictions aside from those which define the world. If nothing was level-locked in Swamp, I get the impression it'd meet your requirements (disregarding how you feel about the ever-present zombies).I am of two minds about this. I have abused the level select codes in Sonic the Hedgehog since I learned them, because I had more fun exploring the Sonic games than trying to complete everything in order. (Well, and let's be honest, that box puzzle in the second zone? In a game with no saving and finite lives? That's bad enough for fully sighted players! It's like trying to play the Lion King without cheating--you spend so much time failing at the second level that you don't get to see anything, linearly or otherwise. ... Yes, I am aware of the second level in Redsword. It has a cheat for exactly this reason.)On the other hand, I like the sense of progression and story, and the feeling that there is some direction, so you aren't just wandering around in the hopes of stumbling upon something interesting by chance.I feel like the best case falls somewhere between a no-cheats Sonic and Skyrim, and the mainstream is still struggling to find that spot (and taking a while, because they don't have to hit it to redecorate their homes with Benjamin Franklin wallpaper).Consider Mortal Kombat: Deceptions. Forget for a minute that Konquest is effectively inaccessible. You have, what, half the playable cast locked by default, and must complete bunches of easy-to-miss quests to unlock everyone? And the beginner area becomes inaccessible upon leaving, but you must leave and complete several other tasks before the other realms become accessible.Mortal Kombat: Armageddon makes the unlocking seem more like prizes than a necessity, what with most characters being playable from the beginning. Exploration is still bound by plot, but the idea was always that you had to work for the best things--it's just that now you don't have to work for everything (presumably, you did enough of that to make the money to purchase the game).And I don't even know who is and isn't available by default in MK9 and MKX, because they dropped the adventure mode entirely, so I just dive into the story and finish it on the Saturday that I start it. Although MKX has an interesting Krypt, I suppose.This question of how much freedom to give the player has been one that I've thought about fo r quite some time, since I tend to design story-heavy games, and too much player freedom can seriously mess up the cohesion of the story. (Umm, I haven't... finished most of these story-based games. This might possibly maybe a little have something to do
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Hi. I know to an extent miriani and promethius were derived from the same initial codebase, and also to an extent promethius was developed primarily because people found the huge pvp and piracy focus of miriani was spoiling their game. I never fancied miriani myself because unrestricted pvp is not my thing, and promethius I always found hard to get started in due to the help system being a bit lacking initially, though I probably ought to give the game another try. Cosmic rage is the space have had most success in and like best I think. As regards soundpacks, I'm not really sure, your best off asking in game, since especially for promethius I am not sure what development is happening where, indeed I don't know how recent the updates to promethius have been. As to Vipmud, you can register the game fairly easily by going through the registration process in the tools manual, which will also take you to the www.gmagames.com website, howeverregistrationpretty optional. the only functions you get in the fully registered version of the client are some advanced scripting options, lack of a nag message and use of msp, that is mud sound protocol which some muds use to output sound directly via commands from the website itself. Comparatively few muds use msp (I can only think of two that do). Indeed most mud soundpacks use triggers, ie, having the mud play sounds when some text comes in, which will work fine with the free version of Vipmud. I did buy vipmud myself, since I wanted to support David Greenwood and Gma games (they've made some pretty awesome accessible titles in the past and I appreciated vipmud as at the time I'd not tried muds before), however in terms of actually needing full functionality to continue playing muds I would've been fine sticking with the free version. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306760#p306760 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests...
2017-04-12
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Thank you both for your sincere answer about yourself, and the MUD-game recommendations again!Strangely, after trying them all out, I decided for 2, which will probably surprise you: Prometheus, and Miriani.Actually I like both of them so much, that I guess I will neglect all other accessable gamesfor a while now, since those 2 will occupy a hell of my spare-time for sure!!!The funny thing is, that Prometheus and Miriani are extrenely similar to each-other, as if there were developed by the bery same person or group, (normally I know that's not the case), so I am having a hard time at the moment, to decide which one to play more, LOL!However, I shall ask You one last favor:I am playing both games via the VIP-client, (something went wrong with my MushZ), and despite knowing of the existence of soundpacks for both games, I will need the links to download them, since the only 1 I found was for MushZ-client. (in the description of Prometheus here)< /p>Oh yeah, and please also tell me, how to register the VIP-client, since after its demo time has run out, it already warned me of some another, incoming time-limitation... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306757#p306757 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Well I think some of the muds might be what your looking for, certainly in a game like clok or cosmic rage there is far less in terms of npc quests.As to myself and games, I have been registered blind all of my life. I do have a small amount of vision and used it in the past to play graphical games, however the fact I couldn't read in game text and that I needed simplified graphics meant my choice was always limited. I did especially enjoy very atmospheric and plot heavy side scrollers such as the Metroid or mega man series or the turrican games. then of course everything went 3d in the 32 bit era and from limited my choice of games dropped to virtually none apart from beatemups, indeed I only got interested in accessible games in 2005, and so all of my experiences with game genres such as rpgs have been in accessible games. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306692#p306692 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... @Caccio I have heard of elite but haven't played it to the graphics being inaccessible, though I have had friends who were fans and I myself have always enjoyed games like the Metroid series (at least until they went and made the dam things 3d) that do allow exploration so I sympathise, although to me I believe your perspective little too harsh here.I don't agree on core exiles as I said, since I view the quests as part of the game world but I don't think this is something we will agree on. For browser based mmorpg suggestions, the problem is all the best mmorpgs I know are very heavily quest based. For example puppet nightmares works through a story you play in chapters and more of the world is unlocked as you go through the story. There are plenty of mmorpg games with no narrative content at all, but they tend to be more of the grinding and less of the exploration variety. Likewise, I am tempted to recommend the smugglers series, which people have described as turn based elite, however even in those your game progress is very much based on your ship type, eg, you cannot initially leave your starting star system until you've bought a ship with jump engines and cannot do boarding actions until you have a ship with crew compartments.If you had access to android or Ios I think the star traders game might be what your looking for that has no narrative quests to do, just lots of exploring, trading, bounty missions, different sort of random effects etc.For the kind of game your looking for online I suspect your best bet are muds. Muds are multiplayer online games which are connect to by a mud client program which send text directly to your computer in real time. There are some good accessible mud clients, I'd recommend vipmud from www.gmagames.com though other people also use mushclient. Ocne you have your client it's just neces sary to put in the address and port number of a mud to play,some muds even have soundpacks you can download which give the games more atmosphere than just the text. many muds are rpgs with built in quests etc and very heavy on the combat, however not all. The fantasy steampunk game Clok is simply a huge online world where you progress your skills, whether that be fighting, crafting, survival etc, as far as I know the game doesn't have any npc quests at all, just lots of different activities and a massive environment. Lament is similar, though has fewer players and activities at the moment, while Avalon is very heavy on player interaction and though it has npc quests most of what you do is reliant on other players and on what activities or skills you focus on and where you go, I found the reliance on other players a bit too irritating for my part since I couldn't progress alone but your milage might be different. There are then several muds set in space, the very pvp heavy miriani, which is much as you describe with player piracy etc, cosmic rage, which is imho my favourite though it does revolve around gaining experience in some activities to unlock others, and promethius which I haven't got as far into and personally found a little more incoherent. Hth. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306645#p306645 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-11
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Thanks for your suggestions Dark, judjing by them it seems you gotquite familiar with my game- expectations.I truely regret not owning any IOS-based device, since Star Trader indeed sounds like a perfect "candidate" to me.However, I shall check out your other recommendations, meaning the MUD clients, and see which one suits me the most!Thanks for your contribution again, an please allow me a personal question:You wrote you don't play non-accessable games..Is that because of your duties here on this website, or are you visually impared yourself as well? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306673#p306673 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Thanks for your suggestions Dark, judjing by them it seems you gotquite familiar with my game- expectations.I truely regret not owning any IOS-based device, since Star Trader indeed sounds like a perfect "candidate" to me.However, I shall check out your other recommendations, meaning the MUD clients, and see which one suits me the most!Thanks for your contribution again, an please allow me a personal question:You wrote you are not playing games which aren't accessable.Is that because of your duty here on this website, or are you visually impared yourself as well? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306673#p306673 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... @Caccio I have heard of elite but haven't played it to the graphics being inaccessible, though I have had friends who were fans and I myself have always enjoyed games like the Metroid series (at least until they went and made the dam things 3d) that do allow exploration so I sympathise, although to me I believe your perspective little too harsh here.I don't agree on core exiles as I said, since I view the quests as part of the game world but I don't think this is something we will agree on. For browser based mmorpg suggestions, the problem is all the best mmorpgs I know are very heavily quest based. For example puppet nightmares works through a story you play in chapters and more of the world is unlocked as you go through the story. There are plenty of mmorpg games with no narrative content at all, but they tend to be more of the grinding and less of the exploration variety. Likewise, I am tempted to recommend the smugglers series, which people have described as turn based elite, however even in those your game progress is very much based on your ship type, eg, you cannot initially leave your starting star system until you've bought a ship with jump engines and cannot do boarding actions until you have a ship with crew compartments.If you had access to android or Ios I think the star traders game might be what your looking for that has no narrative quests to do, just lots of exploring, trading, bounty missions, different sort of random effects etc.For the kind of game your looking for online I suspect your best bet are muds. Muds are multiplayer online games which are connect to by a mud client program which send text directly to your computer in real time. There are some good accessible mud clients, I'd recommend vipmud from www.gmagames.com though other people also use mushclient. Ocne you have your client it's just neces sary to put in the address and port number of a mud to play,some muds even have soundpacks you can download which give the games more atmosphere than just the text. many muds are rpgs with built in quests etc and very heavy on the combat, however not all. The fantasy steampunk game Clok is simply a huge online world where you progress your skills, whether that be fighting, crafting, survival etc, as far as I know the game doesn't have any npc quests at all, just lots of different activities and a massive environment. Lament is similar, though has fewer players and activities at the moment, while Avalon is very heavy on player interaction and though it has npc quests most of what you do is reliant on other players and on what activities or skills you focus on and where you go, I found the reliance on other players a bit too irritating for my part since I couldn't progress alone but your milage might be different. There are then several muds set in space, the very pvp heavy miriani, which is much as you describe with player piracy etc, cosmic rage, which is imho my favourite though it does revolve around gaining experience in some activities to unlock others, and promethius which I haven't got as far into and personally found a little more coherent. Hth. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306645#p306645 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-11
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... So guys, now when You know my leading game-expectations, (after describing them this much in detail, I sincerely hope You finally do), can You please recommend me some popular-enough, accessable, browser-based MMOs, which will suit that so "extraordinary" taste of mine???Edit:Ooops, I forgot to define the role of quests.So in my targeted browser-based MMO, the actual number of featured quests is totally irrelevant, there can be only few, but also hundreds of them, what matters to me is their nature.Namely, I would like them to function as mere optional boosts, (making the game more colorful), eventually provide a chance to grab certain useful rewards, so additional bonus-boosts, which one can either go for, in order to make his/her progress easier and faster, or can just ignore them, and advance in the game the so called "hard way".What matters to me is, that quests should by no means function as required prerequisits for any aspe ct of the game, especially not for free movement and exploration over the game-map! Quite good examples for such type of quests are those in GTA5 online, Elite series, Eve Online, or Elder Scrolls Oblivion and Skyrim. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306620#p306620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... So guys, now when You know my leading game-expectations, (after describing them this much in detail, I sincerely hope You finally do), can You please recommend me some popular-enough, accessable, browser-based MMOs, which will suit that so "extraordinary" taste of mine???Edit:Ooops, I forgot to define the role of quests.So in my targeted browser-based MMO, the actual number of featured quests is totally irrelevant, there can be only few, but also hundreds of them, what matters to me is their nature.Namely, I would like them to function as mere optional boosts, which one can either go for, in order to make his/her progress easier and faster, or can just ignore them, and advance in the game the so called "hard way".What matters to me is, that quests should by no means function as required prerequisits for any aspect of the game, especially not for free movement and exploration over the game-map! Quite good examples for such ty pe of quests are those in GTA5 online, or Elder Scrolls Oblivion and Skyrim. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306620#p306620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... So guys, now when You know my leading game-expectations, (after describing them this much in detail, I sincerely hope You finally do), can You please recommend me some popular-enough, accessable, browser-based MMOs, which will suit that so "extraordinary" taste of mine??? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306620#p306620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... So guys, now when You know my leading game-expectations, (after describing them this much in detail, I sincerely hope You finally do), can You please recommend me some newer, accessable, browser-based MMOs, which will suit that so "extraordinary" taste of mine??? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306620#p306620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... So guys, now when You know my leading game-expectations, (after describing them this much in detail, I sincerely hope You finally do), can You please recommend me some games, which will suit that so "extraordinary" taste of mine??? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306620#p306620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... So guys, now when You know my leading game-expectations, (after describing them so detailed, I sincerely hope You finally do), can You please recommend me some games, which will suit that so "extraordinary" taste of mine??? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306620#p306620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... So guys, now when You know my leading game-expectations, (after describing them so briefly, I sincerely hope You finally do), can You please recommend me some games, which will suit that so "extraordinary" taste of mine??? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306620#p306620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you just described.On the other hand, I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don't know your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you can also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-systems where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates, but sometimes even other players too, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to find and visit them, and free movement is theoretically granted by the game, (after all, that's why I decided to give it a try), but still...one is n ot allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he/she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accepting, and completing dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game...In addition:And yes, I do remember your comment about Core Exiles, where you claim, that those disputed quests are meant to help us new players, to "find out more about the world".That is by no doubt a nice idea, it's just that in in cases of those players, who insist on totally independent exploration, that initially good-willing idea, unfortunately turns from demonstrative aid into an unasked, unwanted hinderance.I mean, players like myself don't want to be told or shown, which way we are supposed to "find out more about the game's world", for we wish to discover that all by ourselves, based on experiences we individually accumulate during the ga meplay.In matter fact, that above-described aspect of independent discovery is, what makes exploration so interesting to me in games!That is usually the reason, why ,players like myself generally disapprove the "here, let me show you how to play this game" type approach, for finding that out by ourselves, in our own way, provides much more fun to us! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you just described.On the other hand, I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don't know your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you can also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-systems where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates, but sometimes even other players too, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to find and visit them, and free movement is theoretically granted by the game, (after all, that's why I decided to give it a try), but still...one is n ot allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he/she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accepting, and completing dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game...In addition:And yes, I do remember your comment about Core Exiles, where you claim, that those disputed quests are meant to help us new players, to "find out more about the world".That is by no doubt a nice idea, it's just that in in cases of those players, who insist on totally independent exploration, that initially good-willing idea, unfortunately turns from aid into an unwanted, unasked hinderance.I mean, players like myself don't want to be told or shown, which way we are supposed to "find out more about the game's world", for we wish to discover that all by ourselves, based on experiences we individually accumulate during the gameplay.I n matter fact, that above-described aspect of independent discovery is, what makes exploration so interesting to me in games!That is usually the reason, why ,players like myself generally disapprove the "here, let me show you how to play this game" type approach, for finding that out by ourselves, in our own way, provides much more fun to us! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-10
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you just described.On the other hand, I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don't know your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you can also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-systems where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates, but sometimes even other players too, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to find and visit them, and free movement is theoretically granted by the game, (after all, that's why I decided to give it a try), but still...one is n ot allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he/she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accepting, and completing dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game...In addition:And yes, I do remember your comment about Core Exiles, where you claim, that those disputed quests are meant to help us new players, to "find out more about the world".That is by no doubt a nice idea, it's just that in in cases of those players, who insist on totally independent exploration, that initially good-willing idea, unfortunately turns from aid into an unwanted, unasked hinderance.I mean, players like myself don't want to be told, in what way we are supposed to "find out more about the game's world", for we wish to discover that all by ourselves, based on experiences we individually accumulate during the gameplay.In matte r fact, that above-described aspect of independent discovery is, what makes exploration so interesting to me in games!That is usually the reason, why ,players like myself generally disapprove the "here, let me show you how to play this game" type approach, for finding that out by ourselves, in our own way, provides much more fun to us! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-10
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you just described.On the other hand, I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don't know your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you can also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-systems where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates, but sometimes even other players too, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to find and visit them, and free movement is theoretically granted by the game, (after all, that's why I decided to give it a try), but still...one is n ot allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he/she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accepting, and completing dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game...In addition:And yes, I do remember your comment about Core Exiles, where you claim, that those disputed quests are meant to help us new players, to "find out more about the game".That is by no doubt a nice idea, it's just that in in cases of those players, who insist on totally independent exploration, that initially good-willing idea, unfortunately turns from aid into an unwanted, unasked hinderance.I mean, players like myself don't want to be told, in what way we are supposed to "find out more about the game", for we wish to discover that all by ourselves,, based on experiences we individually accumulate during the gameplay.In matter fact, that above-described aspect of independent discovery is, what makes exploration so interesting to me in games!That is usually the reason, why ,players like myself generally disapprove the "here, let me show you how to play this game" type approach, for finding that out by ourselves, in our own way, provides much more fun to us! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-10
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you just described.On the other hand, I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don't know your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you can also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-systems where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates, but sometimes even other players too, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to find and visit them, and free movement is theoretically granted by the game, (after all, that's why I decided to give it a try), but still...one is n ot allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he/she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accepting, and completing dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game...In addition:And yes, I do remember your comment about Core Exiles, where you claim, that those dubious quests are meant to help us new players, to "find out more about the game".That is by no doubt a nice idea, it's just that in in cases of those players, who insist on totally independent exploration, that initially good-willing idea, unfortunately turns from aid into an unwanted, unasked hinderance.I mean, players like myself don't want to be told, in what way we are supposed to "find out more about the game", for we wish to discover that all by ourselves,, based on experiences we individually accumulate during the gameplay.In matter fact, that a bove-described aspect of independent discovery is, what makes exploration so interesting to me in games!That is usually the reason, why ,players like myself generally disapprove the "here, let me show you how to play this game" type approach, for finding that out by ourselves, in our own way, provides much more fun to us! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you just described.On the other hand, I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don't know your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you can also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-systems where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates, but sometimes even other players too, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to find and visit them, and free movement is theoretically granted by the game, (after all, that's why I decided to give it a try), but still...one is n ot allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he/she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accepting, and completing dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you just described.On the other hand, I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don't know your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you can also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-systems where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates, but sometimes even other players too, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to find and visit them, and free movement is theoretically granted by the game...but still, one is not allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he /she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accepting, and completing dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you just described.On the other hand, I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don't know your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you can also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-systems where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates, but sometimes even other players too, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to be found and visited, but one is not allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he/she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accept ing, and completing dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you just described.On the other hand, I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don't know your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you can also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-systems where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates, plus sometimes even other players, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to be found and visited, but one is not allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he/she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accepting , and completing dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you just described.On the other hand, I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don't know your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you can also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-system where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates or even other players, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to be found and visited, but one is not allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he/she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accepting, and completi ng dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark, your point of view is absolutely valid, but only in games, which are planned, and functioning the way you described.I was referring to those games, which are planned to function totally differently, games, which feature large variety of creatures/monsters, with totally mixed skill-levels, who are sharing the same map region or area.(check the last part of my previous post)For such games, where one is initially supposed to be granted a totally free movement, all over the game-map, it is a literal sabotage to implement any type of movement restrictions or limitations, due any made out reason!I don'tknow your exact age, but I do hope you still remeber the old, initial Elite game, followed by its sequel Frontier, then by several, more-or-less successful remakes, clones, copies, all the way to the newest, online version of it, called Elite Dangerous.Or you cna also take Eve Online for an example.All those games featured, or still feature hundreds of star-system where pilots can venture into, right from the very start of the game.True, we startt with a crappy ship, low skills or stats, and there are many weaker or stronger NPC enemies, meaning mostly pirates or even other players, all of them of different strength, and at different skill level, and we can run into them, or even into a group of them in any star system we visit, but we are still initially allowed to fly anywhere we desire, depending on our plans, strategy, mood, or gameplay-style we pick.Now what's the situation in the space-based browser-MMO called Core Exiles, which I am currently playing?Initially it also features hundreds of star-systems and planets, and many of those are still unexplored, just waiting for explorer-type pilots to be found and visited, but one is not allowed to leave even his/her starting system until he/she reaches level 10 or so, and achieving that requires accepting, and completing dozens of quite boring quests, since that is the only efficient enough way, how new players can progress in the starting phase of the game... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306569#p306569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... @Caccio on a purely aesthetic level I prefer it if I can enter a higher level area but get a warning than to literally have the area impossible to enter, though practically speaking they are the same thing, it's just one way I get jumped on by a huge hairy beasty if I wander off the path, the other I don't . I will agree if there is only one area for each level then things can become tedius, indeed this is one of my design problems with manamon since generally there are only a few manamon types of a given level in a given area and so if the type your using is weak to that area's type it can make progression rather troublesome, especially with the fact you don't get party xp and don't even get an item to share xp until rather later in the game.Btw, as regards quotes, just quoting text when you directly want to reference another's word s rather than just what they said their generally is probably a good idea for board tidiness. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306546#p306546 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... You are right Dark, I am aware of not using the "quote" function efficiently enough, and I apologize for that.My only "excuse" for doing that is, that it is much easier, and faster to me, to just quote the full post, by using the "quote" command here, than manually searching for, finding, selecting, then copy/paste certain targeted parts of, often pretty long, forum-posts or replies.(after all, I myself am a screen-reader user too you know...) But yes, I perfectly understand your point, so I shall rather avoid using the "quote" function in the future, unless I will consider it for inevitably necessary.As for skill-level adjusted areas, I probably disapprove them primarily due my, obviously enormous explorer-spirit, which cannot feel satisfied if it is let to venture, for example, initially only into the forest, and can visit the, for example, swamp or mountains, only after reaching a certain level, since I wish to be able to explore them all, meaning all possible, existing map-regions and sites, (depending on my current mood), right from the very start of the game! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306544#p306544 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark wrote:@Mata I agree that manamon could have used to some improvements on the grinding, especially when experimenting with different manamon to see which can work. @Caccio, I can definitely agree with you about how good exploring is, however for me quests give me a reason! to explore and something to do whilst exploring rather than just wandering around and seeing character stats increase. A perfect example of this is alteraeon. This is an online game with full scale interesting combat. There are no doors or restrictions or locks on what areas you can go to, though of course walking into a higher level area before you've got tough enough to survive is not advisable. The game even rewards you for exploring areas directly with exploration points. However if all there was to do in the game was just combat and progress watch your character improve as you slay things there is no reason! to go exploring. I 've always found myself that simply going down into the goblin caves to slay goblins for no reason or just to grind stats holds little fascination, but being told to go and get something or kill the goblin king or given a task to do is a different matter entirely.It seems you got my concept of "exploring" wrong.By that term, I don't mean merely wandering around, without any plans or goal set for myselfs,but right the opposite of that:My aim while exploring is finding new, so far unseen areas, meet, and engage new, so far unknown NPC creatures or human players, loot some cool stuff from those I kill on my way, or even just find them randomly lying on the ground, visiting so far unvisited places, towns, sites, talk to so far unknown NPCs, and yes, accepting their offered quests as well, after all, if I happem to complete some of those during wandering around, even if unplanned, they will still mean unexpected rewards for my cha racter...So no, exploration-centric gameplay doesn't have to automatically exclude accepting and completing quests, those 2 elements can be combined just fine...UNTIL those quests won't restrict our movement over the game-map in any way.And yes, I do also dislike when games have their areas adjusted to player's skill-levels, since that results in actual limitations of lower level players again, after all it wuld be quite foolish for them, to venture into realms with let's say 50 level higher/stronger monsters, so they would in matter fact still be restricted to areas adjusted for their current level.The kind of games I like the most feature areas with totally mixed types of creatures/monsters, of totally different level, plus NPC characters offering quests to players of various races and levels, so that it is worth to any player, at any current skill level, to venture into any of those areas, since everyone of them will, or at least can find something suitable for himself, meaning things to do,like sites to visit and explore, actions to perform, new monsters to encounter and fight, NPCs to talk to, quests to complete, stuff to loot or find, etc.From this aspect Gothador would be a perfect game for me, if only there would be not that many quest-dependent elements in it, which I already mentioned before... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306515#p306515 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... It sounds like if there's something of your taste, I can see Clok as one, lol. You just can never guess when you'll be thrown into a nethrim infested events full of crappy to god-cry mobs that can one hit instakill you anytime. But then again Clok has areas based on skill level too, not everywhere though.:pI think the reason of having areas based on skill is to prevent people from dying foolishly for no reason. Some people just like jumping in right away without even considering the mob. And that's how you go boom! Another death knell shall be toaled...uh wait, it's not clok lol. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306528#p306528 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Caccio72 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark wrote:@Mata I agree that manamon could have used to some improvements on the grinding, especially when experimenting with different manamon to see which can work. @Caccio, I can definitely agree with you about how good exploring is, however for me quests give me a reason! to explore and something to do whilst exploring rather than just wandering around and seeing character stats increase. A perfect example of this is alteraeon. This is an online game with full scale interesting combat. There are no doors or restrictions or locks on what areas you can go to, though of course walking into a higher level area before you've got tough enough to survive is not advisable. The game even rewards you for exploring areas directly with exploration points. However if all there was to do in the game was just combat and progress watch your character improve as you slay things there is no reason! to go exploring. I 've always found myself that simply going down into the goblin caves to slay goblins for no reason or just to grind stats holds little fascination, but being told to go and get something or kill the goblin king or given a task to do is a different matter entirely.It seems you got my concept of "exploring" wrong.By that term, I don't mean merely wandering around, without any plans or goal set for myselfs,but right the opposite of that:My aim while exploring is finding new, so far unseen areas, meet, and engage new, so far unknown NPC creatures or human players, loot some cool stuff from those I kill on my way, or even just find them randomly lying on the ground, visiting so far unvisited places, towns, sites, talk to so far unknown NPCs, and yes, accepting their offered quests as well, after all, if I happem to complete some of those during wandering around, even if unplanned, they will still mean unexpected rewards for my cha racter...So no, exploration-centric gameplay doesn't have to automatically exclude accepting and completing quests, those 2 elements can be combined just fine...UNTIL those quests won't restrict our movement over the game-map in any way.And yes, I do dislike when games have their areas adjusted to player's skill-levels either, since that results in actual limitations of lower level players again, after all it wuld be quite foolish for them, to venture into realms with let's say 50 level higher/stronger monsters, so they would in matter fact still be restricted to areas adjusted for their current level.The kind of games I like the most feature areas with totally mixed types of creatures/monsters, of totally different level, plus NPC characters offering quests to players of various races and levels, so that it is worth to any player, at any current skill level, to venture into any of those areas, since everyone of them will, or at least can fin d something suitable for himself, meaning things to do,like sites to visit and explore, actions to perform, new monsters to encounter and fight, NPCs to talk to, quests to complete, stuff to loot or find, etc.From this aspect Gothador would be a perfect game for me, if only there would be not that many quest-dependent elements in it, which I already mentioned before... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306515#p306515 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... @Caccio, hmmm, interesting. I'll say for me I don't mind level specific areas so long as there is enough at lower levels to remain interesting, give me stuff to explore and tasks to do, since then I know I always have the higher level places to look forward to and the very purpose for me to train my characters skills and abilities is to get tough enough to handle those higher level places so I can explore them and carry out new quests, have new places to go activities to try etc.btw as a miner matter of netiquette, I would personally recommend not using the quote function unless your specifically wanting to quote a part of a person's message, since after all most people on this board have screen readers and having to hear their entire previous mesage twice can be time consuming when looking for someone else's reply, personally I only use quotes if I want the specific words another person used to respond tto. Usually to simply respond eo anothe r person without needing their exact words we just put an at sign and the person's name eg @caccio as I have been doing.It's not an official forum rule or anything like that just a stylistic preference. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306518#p306518 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-10
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark wrote:@Mata I agree that manamon could have used to some improvements on the grinding, especially when experimenting with different manamon to see which can work. @Caccio, I can definitely agree with you about how good exploring is, however for me quests give me a reason! to explore and something to do whilst exploring rather than just wandering around and seeing character stats increase. A perfect example of this is alteraeon. This is an online game with full scale interesting combat. There are no doors or restrictions or locks on what areas you can go to, though of course walking into a higher level area before you've got tough enough to survive is not advisable. The game even rewards you for exploring areas directly with exploration points. However if all there was to do in the game was just combat and progress watch your character improve as you slay things there is no reason! to go exploring. I 've always found myself that simply going down into the goblin caves to slay goblins for no reason or just to grind stats holds little fascination, but being told to go and get something or kill the goblin king or given a task to do is a different matter entirely.It seems you got my concept of "exploring" wrong.By that term, I don't mean merely wandering around, without any plans or goal set for myselfs,but right the opposite of that:My aim while exploring is finding new, so far unseen areas, meet, and engage new, so far unknown NPC creatures or human players, loot some cool stuff from those I kill on my way, or even just find them randomly lying on the ground, visiting so far unvisited places, towns, sites, talk to so far unknown NPCs, and yes, accepting their offered quests as well, after all, if I happem to complete some of those during wandering around, even if unplanned, they will still mean unexpected rewards for my cha racter...So no, exploration-centric gameplay doesn't have to automatically exclude accepting and completing quests, those 2 elements can be combined just fine...UNTIL those quests won't restrict our movement over the game-map in any way.And yes, I do dislike when games have their areas adjusted to player's skill-levels either, since that results in actual limitations of lower level players again, after all it wuld be quite foolish for them, to venture into realms with let's say 50 level higher/stronger monsters, so they would in matter fact still be restricted to areas adjusted for their current level.The kind of games I like the most feature areas with totally mixed types of creatures/monsters, of totally different level, plus NPC characters offering quests to players of various races and levels, so that it is worth to any player, at any current skill level, to venture into any of those areas, since everyone of them will, or at least can fin d something suitable for himself, meaning things to do,like sites to visit and explore, actions to perform, new monsters to encounter and fight, NPCs to talk to, quests to complete, stuff to loot or find, etc. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306515#p306515 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-10
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Dark wrote:@Mata I agree that manamon could have used to some improvements on the grinding, especially when experimenting with different manamon to see which can work. @Caccio, I can definitely agree with you about how good exploring is, however for me quests give me a reason! to explore and something to do whilst exploring rather than just wandering around and seeing character stats increase. A perfect example of this is alteraeon. This is an online game with full scale interesting combat. There are no doors or restrictions or locks on what areas you can go to, though of course walking into a higher level area before you've got tough enough to survive is not advisable. The game even rewards you for exploring areas directly with exploration points. However if all there was to do in the game was just combat and progress watch your character improve as you slay things there is no reason! to go exploring. I 've always found myself that simply going down into the goblin caves to slay goblins for no reason or just to grind stats holds little fascination, but being told to go and get something or kill the goblin king or given a task to do is a different matter entirely.It seems you got my interpretation of "exploring" wrong.By that term, I don't mean merely wandering around, without any plans or goal set for myselfs,but right the opposite of that:My aim while exploring is finding new, so far unseen areas, meet, and engage new, so far unknown NPC creatures or human players, loot some cool stuff from those I kill on my way, or even just find them randomly lying on the ground, visiting so far unvisited places, towns, sites, talk to so far unknown NPCs, and yes, accepting their offered quests as well, after all, if I happem to complete some of those during wandering around, even if unplanned, they will still mean unexpected rewards for my character...So no, exploration-centric gameplay doesn't have to automatically exclude accepting and completing quests, those 2 elements can be combined just fine...UNTIL those quests won't restrict our movement over the game-map in any way.And yes, I do dislike when games have their areas adjusted to player's skill-levels either, since that results in actual limitations of lower level players again, after all it wuld be quite foolish for them, to venture into realms with let's say 50 level higher/stronger monsters, so they would in matter fact still be restricted to areas adjusted for their current level.The kind of games I like the most feature areas with totally mixed types of creatures/monsters, of totally different level, plus NPC characters offering quests to players of various races and levels, so that it is worth to any player, at any current skill level, to venture into any of those areas, since everyone of them will, or at least can find something suitable for himself, meaning things to do,like sites to visit and explore, actions to perform, new monsters to encounter and fight, NPCs to talk to, quests to complete, stuff to loot or find, etc. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306515#p306515 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... @Mata I agree that manamon could have used to some improvements on the grinding, especially when experimenting with different manamon to see which can work. @Caccio, I can definitely agree with you about how good exploring is, however for me quests give me a reason! to explore and something to do whilst exploring rather than just wandering around and seeing character stats increase. A perfect example of this is alteraeon. This is an online game with full scale interesting combat. There are no doors or restrictions or locks on what areas you can go to, though of course walking into a higher level area before you've got tough enough to survive is not advisable. The game even rewards you for exploring areas directly with exploration points. However if all there was to do in the game was just combat and progress watch your character improve as you slay things there is no reason! to go exploring. I've always found myself that simply going down into t he goblin caves to slay goblins for no reason or just to grind stats holds little fascination, but being told to go and get something or kill the goblin king or given a task to do is a different matter entirely. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306511#p306511 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Yar, that could be something interesting. Sure some games are like that, most of them, actually, except those with strict one branch storyline. I can see why they're not that fun, since all you can and must do in order to play is progress. It's actually as same as games that require grinding like crazy just to reach one part and progress (which Manamon unfortunately falls in that category if you ask me). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306498#p306498 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-10
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Please try to understand, I don't mind quests in general at all, and yes, I agree with You, they indeed can often be interesting, useful, educative, or even creative.Problems start with those, mostly main story-line referred, obligatory ones, which severely limit, or restrict players available, possible actions, and I mean their free movement over the game-map at the 1st place.For a primarily exploration-oriented player like myself, who mostly likes just wandering around inside huge game-worlds, such movement-restricting quests usually totally spoil, ruin the fun of playing, an an otherwise very interesting game, so it is no wonder I deeply regret, and try to appeal against such a waste, especially since I consider it for totally unnecessary and pointless.Namely, game-developers could make such "movement-restricting" quests fully optional, and by doing so, the game would still preserve its so called "open-world nature", so that playing it will still remain fully enjoyable to us, free-exploration-oriented players as well! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306495#p306495 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2017-04-10
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Please try to understand, I don't mind quests in general at all, and yes, I agree with You, they indeed can often be interesting, useful, educative, or even creative.Problems start with those, mostly main story-line referred, obligatory ones, which severely limit, or restrict players available, possible actions, and I mean their free movement over the game-map at the 1st place.For a primarily exploration-oriented player like myself, who mostly likes just wandering around inside huge game-worlds, such movement-restricting quests usually totally spoil, ruin the fun of playing, an an otherwise very interesting game, so it is no wonder I deeply regret, and try to appeal against such a waste, especially since I consider it for totally unnecessary and pointless.Namely, game-developers could make such "movement-restricting" quests fully optional, and by doing so, the game would still preserve its so called "open-nature", so that playing it will still remain fully enjoyable to us, free-exploration-oriented players as well! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306495#p306495 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... can try return of the king URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306488#p306488 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... @mayana One thing I admire about manamon is just this. while what new areas you go to is dictated by the plot, albeit an interesting, atmospheric and well written plot how you must accomplish the challenges your set is entirely up to you, which manamon you focus on, how you train your party etc, this was the point I was trying to get across earlier. @Caccio, again here it strikes me your failing to take into account two factors. Firstly the narative function of quests as I said and the fact that there is! more of a reason to do a quest than just because "your boss says so", and secondly the way you go about accomplishing the quest. In core exiles quests firstly exist to find out more about the world, and secondly to give you something to work for while carrying out activities. The entire game rewards your efforts of working at mining or combat etc with new activities to do, indeed I would recommend the best way to play ce is to get involv ed with as many different activities at a time so you don't become board of one, quests included, indeed ce is one game where you have to work damnably hard but get rewarded for that work (believe me exploring is worth the effort).Gothador on the other hand frankly is a little unfair in that you must firstly work to acquire bog standard skills to explore the world and even be able to use your starter items, and secondly in that since you have absolutely no direction but a dramatically limited amount of action points to explore with, you basically are tied to looking at guides constantly or wandering around waiting for your ap to refresh before doing more exploring, though this is not a problem in the quests system as such, it's a problem in Gothador's design being in terms of it's abilities, not letting you freely explore the world. Lastly I will note that your idea of games created by committee and demographic study to maximize prophet isn't h alf so true of accessible and independent games, developers of indi games on average to be much more decent people who make games because they want to and while they accept cash to keep the games running have by way of artistic integrity and idea about what they want to create than just to pump out the latest best selling graphics action fest and move on the way most mainstream companies do these days, indeed I know from personal experience that Coops, the chief coder of ce is a very decent person, I dealt with coops a lot during quite a bit of accessibility discussions changes to the game. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306470#p306470 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... @Mayana, that is exactly the point I made earlier URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306468#p306468 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Quests, quests, quests... Sometimes, creativity is in the quest itself, as long as you don't just sit there and mash your attack button over and over. What's in it mechanical wise? I could go out and do whatever I want independantly right now in real life, but what you're talking about is something that is programmed. Even those game you call "gives free choices" are still programmed. And it's actually not only because of creativity that some games grow stail after a while. It's also because there's nothing else to discover. Some people view quests as ways to dirscover things, or even if not quests, the game content itself drives it through.I'll give an example of survive the wild again (which you seem to love so much). You do this, you get the quest blah blah blah, and it's done. Now what? You are free to do whatever on your own. You make this make that, come up with stories on your own for a while, but then it ends because either you get killed, you play alone or with not so many people in your field of ideas... Not everyone have the same taste, and not that people who follow quests can't be creative. Someone mentioned Manamon earlier, that is a good example. You follow storylines, yet you're still able to think and act in order to progress that story Imagine a game without storyline? Go for rp enforced games. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=306456#p306456 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
