Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Good morning group, first my apologies to Eliseu for not being able explain myself the right way, we have talked off list. Eliseu, I went to your website and typed in your query box *de Sousa* (with space between the prefix and the surname) and it worked. Now, if I type *deSousa* there's no results. I think everything else has been already explained. Eliseu, I know its possible, webdesign is not my strongest, I'm more into networking and hardware, but maybe João Ventura can tell you that, there might be a way to add to the database some kind of link between, example ALL the de Sousa with the DeSousa, etc. then when someone query's for DeSousa, the server will consider all the de Sousa and show them in the results and I would advice some kind of introductory note for those who actually don't really know that their surname was originally de Sousa, and all other possible conversions Just an idea! I am curious, in fact, have always been, why Portuguese descendents in US adopt using, or should I say, converting their family name, if not already been by their ancestors, from example de Sousa do DeSousa? Is it because of what Angela wrote or is there any other law? Another thing is that some family's are the only ones one can blame for their 2nd or 3rd so on, generations don't have a clue what their origins are, do not know a single word in Portuguese, don't have a clue what Azores are or where are at! I have a few dozen cousins over there, they ALL know where Azores are, on the other hand, I have discovered relatives of 3rd and 4th generations older than me, in the US who didn't now much or nothing about their origins, among many things, I thing life itself is a cause and only when they get older they start wondering. Yes Angela, like I said, as long one know why and how, they will eventually track down the original form of the name. Doug, now that is quite curious, and the first time I hear it!! So US considers a prefix as a NAME? I know of course, interpretation of a Portuguese word, in this case a prefix (Artigo Defenido DO DA) and (Preposição DE) in the US has nothing to do with the one here, but I congratulate you with your effort of trying to maintain the origins with your sons names. As I wrote earlier, removing the DA was probably like changing a name in US. But in the ID card is still there. Do not consider this a lack of respect for the origins, its just more convenient to sign your name with out it, but the signature will always be associated to the complete name with the DA in it. Now my son got the his mother last name and mine after birth name with no DO OR DA but he will always be an Andrade Chaves. Now, here is my opinion about Portuguese, in our case, Azorean descendents not knowing the right words in Portuguese, like Dano says, San Miguel, etc. Have you all had a close look at a for example a Passenger list from 1800's? Its not their fault, if in 1800's São Miguel was written down as Saint Michael Island when they arrived, who's fault is it? Where is Saint Mary? Try query internet from those and many more names and see the results! Now imagine some 60 years old lady that finds some old papers of her grandmother saying her great grand mother was from Saint Mary and this lady never heard about Azores and doesn't know much about Azores Google Groups, etc and ends up in India!! Its their parents fault in my opinion, Grandparents, etc, who have not been able to transmit their culture to their descendents, etc. I know some of you are older than me and I know some of you were not this case, but there are many still living in ignorance bit not because they want, but because they were lead to! And perfectly understand, even being younger than many of you, why you get so angry when they make these kind of mistakes and not being able to even spell the names right, its because we treasure our roots, but remember, some emigrants left Azores in search of a better life ans some went through so much they didn't even want to remember where Azores was, and with it, their history and culture was forgotten! On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Cheri, they probably don't mean it, but, what kind of research will they turn out if they can't even get the names of the islands straight??? You know I'm on the east coast, only been to CA once in my life, but, even I know that San Miguel is in the Channel Islands - all it takes is a short walk to where the encyclopedia is kept, you don't even need own it, to use it... All I'm saying is that I can feel Eliseu's frustration when people complain that none of the surnames on his website start with DE, or, DA ... On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:24:32 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: The only San Miguel island that exists (that I could find on the Internet) is part of the Channel Islands of the coast of California. Wrong archipelago, wrong country, wrong ocean. And I know most people don't mean that! -- Cheri Mello
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo Espirito
Hi Shirley and Dano, I already have some dates for my Mello, who in this case married Margarida in 1797, Santo Espirito Shirley, his father is Balthazar Gomes Freitas, some times mentioned only as Balthazar Gomes. Being Freitas, I now have doubts his line came outside Santa Maria, as Freitas is very common there and is in my mother's side lineage. My São Pedro lineage is Cabral but have married several Freitas from Santa Bárbara and I have seen quite a number of Mellos in Santa Barbara as well and many marriages between both Parishes. So, in my experience, as the my Home is only 97 square km you both will circle around those 5 parishes a lot :-) All these are now being tracked prior 1799. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: I know you do Shirley, what I have I got from you and Cheri. BTW, thank you - that family turned out to be a major part of my family history. I've done some research on the children, but, I haven't been able to move the clock back on the earlier ancestors from when I originally got that data. So, until Sao Pedro is uploaded, I remain dead in the water, so to speak... On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:14:49 PM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote: I have Manoel de Mello X Anna Moura from Sao Pedro - Santa Maria island. Manoel was born about 1648. Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* Dano *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo Espirito Hi Altino, sorry it took so long to get back to you - I truly didn't see the message until today. Anyway, Cheri and I shared databases some umpteen billion years ago. Pretty much nothing has changed w/ the Mello links since then, except that I've had a chance to hone in and get more data on the individuals in that category. I have approximately 190 Mello links. However, I'm in the process of upgrading my computer system at present - I should be able to send you some data soon. On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be interesting to see if our lines connect. demelo...@yahoo.com Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote: Ola, Ricardo, You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however, are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that still exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers at least the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in Povoacao before 1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let me know if you care to share notes. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino wrote: DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be interesting to see if our lines connect. demelo...@yahoo.com Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote: Ola, Ricardo, You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however, are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that still exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers at least the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in Povoacao before 1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let me know if you care to share notes. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.
What are his parents names? I'll give a try. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Lyn S/B, If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his parents were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at the church roda. If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on Flores, you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais incognitos on 1 Jan 1830. I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date. Too convenient. But you can look, nevertheless. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records
Hi! I just sent you the first one i found in the book order. I have read some more josé s being raised by the paid couples… it is very hard to determine who is who… One could be suspicious about the “father”… but I do not think. The “father” is the same at other “adoptions”. He was the bell man of the church (sineiro)… I looked at the other josé s and the bell man was always the godfather… As to to age being wrong it was a very common thing those days. That is why you can read in the “assentos” the sentence “pouco mais ou menos” (more or less). It means a person had 50 years more or less (one more one less who cares at those days?! Hope it helps. De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb Enviada: terça-feira, 1 de Abril de 2014 00:12 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records Hello It very well could be him. I just took another look at his death certificate and it says he died on 11 Dec 1952 at age 80. If he was born in Jan 1871 and died in Dec 1952 he would have been 81 not 80 right? What do you make of this information Eliseu? Interesting that the Godfather was named Sousa and the adoptive father was named Silva but the age doesn't quite match up does it? Herb On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:05:39 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: HI, There is a José exposto that “fits” your José. In the book of 1871, registry nº 24, folium 10, left, we can read: Baptized at 8 February 1871, Matriz, Ribeira Grande. It says he was born the day before. He was exposto number 1825 in the Roda da Câmara, Rua do Val, Freguesia da Conceição. He was given to be cared to Maria de Jesus married to Manuel da Silva, both living at Rua Nova, Freguesia da Conceição. Godfather was Jacinto de Sousa Galante, married man. God mother was Ana Joaquina, unmarried woman, she was enlisted to take care of the expostos (The municipality paid a certain amount to those women to raise the expostos given to them). De: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: ] Em nome de Herb Enviada: segunda-feira, 31 de Março de 2014 19:06 Para: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records Hi Eliseu I am looking for Jose Sousa Silva who married Cecilia da Conceicao Pacheco on Feb 1892. In fact I have their marriage record, (married in Sao Jose PD) what I am looking for is his baptism He was an exposto da roda from NS da Estrela RG, and I was hoping to see who the Godparents were or to possibly glean some little tid bit of information that may be helpful to my search. He died in 1952 at age 80, in Sao Jose, but he would have been baptized at NS da Estrela on or about 1871-1872. thanks Herb On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:20:44 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi! Are you looking for José de Sousa Silva married to Jorgina? Son of Maximino and Guilhermina from Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande? Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to javascript: azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.
Lyn, what is Jose's last name, I realized you don't know his parents names and that's what your looking for. Is it SILVA or SILVEIRA? Silvaria could be a name but I believe is a misspell. A very common name in Central Group and Western Group is SILVEIRA, and of course Silva. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.com wrote: What are his parents names? I'll give a try. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Lyn S/B, If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his parents were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at the church roda. If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on Flores, you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais incognitos on 1 Jan 1830. I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date. Too convenient. But you can look, nevertheless. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records
Good morning Eliseu and thank you very much for the information. May I contact you off list to continue the discussion. Would it be possible for you to send me a copy of the record. Thank you, Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Not sure of fathers surname and padrinhos
Maria, The father is Francisco José de Resendes. The godfather is Bernardo José do Rego son of the alferes Antonio do Rego Sousa Coutinho, deceased, and Dona Inacia Rosa. Manoel Em terça-feira, 1 de abril de 2014 00h41min49s UTC-3, Maria escreveu: Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing ) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of - I could not decipher the name: Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias (???) Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks like it talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his wife is Donna Ignacia ? rosa? I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents. Any help would be appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta
Doug, If you know someone in Gustine, Myron Cotta was the parish priest for awhile. Since Gustine is a Portuguese community, maybe some one knows his background. Joaquin Mendonca -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Question on first name
Left hand page, bottom name (a baptism) Is this name FLORENCIA? !! (Not very common name- but I'll take it :) It nice when you have unusual names like Engrazia, the mother in this case,especially when the husband has a popular name like Francisco Jose. A couple of times in my hunt here, I got sidetracked with other Francisco Jose's but the wife was Catarina or Maria and I kept looking for Engrazia Roza. Finally found her and knew that was really her name. Interesting that SHE selected an unusual name for her daughter Yay! Thank you CCA and all those who made these records available. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P67.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family
The name Verissimo has peaked my curiosity. I have Verissimos from Sao Miguel (mainly Santa Cruz, Lagoa) Presently living in Canada and Massachusetts area. I am know wondering if there is a connections to Terceira. Anyone intersted in sharing would be apprieated. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:43 PM, terce...@dholmes.com wrote: Interesting. I didn't know about this branch in Graciosa. Did you ever happen to look into DNA testing? I wrote about it here and maybe it will help you decide: www.dholmes.com/dna.html So it seems to me you have a branch of ancestors from Terceira, or maybe these are just your in-laws? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 Website: www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family From: max leite maxleite@gmail.com Date: Mon, March 31, 2014 2:15 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: terce...@dholmes.com are they related to the Verissimo-leite in graciosa VerissimoOn Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42:56 PM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Dan, I know this Terceira family. Contact me here if interested: terc...@dholmes.com Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family From: Dan Goodman danielbry...@gmail.com Date: Mon, January 07, 2013 4:13 pm To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com Looking for information about the Verissimo family. Jose Amaro Verissimo was born 17 Jan 1887 in Terceira. His parents are Amaro Verissimo and Maria Adelaide. -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- www.aldasplace.ca Alda B. owner/operator -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation of Alferes
Thank you Manoel. There was a lot of names there. I looked up the occupation or title Alferes And it said Ensign. It is curious that the priest wrote THE ALFERES. As if the person were the only one like a judge or maybe the keeper of a Lighthouse that served as an ensign . I wonder what that occupation or title that be in the context of the culture at the time? Maria Elena On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:07 AM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote: Maria, The father is Francisco José de Resendes. The godfather is Bernardo José do Rego son of the alferes Antonio do Rego Sousa Coutinho, deceased, and Dona Inacia Rosa. Manoel Em terça-feira, 1 de abril de 2014 00h41min49s UTC-3, Maria escreveu: Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing ) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of - I could not decipher the name: Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias (???) Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks like it talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his wife is Donna Ignacia ? rosa? I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents. Any help would be appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tony Capodicci
Deepest Sympathies. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com wrote: My Dear Azores Group Family, I am writing to let you know that my husband, Tony, passed away this past Friday. I have spoken with my girls and other family members and they are all encouraging me to go to Salt Lake City and teach at the Conference. Cheri told me that there were several people wondering about that fact. I promise that I will be there, God willing! If you would like to send me an email, please address it to my home addy not the List. Thank you all, Rosemarie -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Book for beginning genealogists Unpuzzling Your Past
When I first got into genealogy 20+ years ago, I went to my local library and checked out a few books on genealogy. One book I really liked and I went to the bookstore and purchased it. That book was Unpuzzling Your Past by Emily Anne Croom. Dick Eastman has a link to a book review on it here: http://goo.gl/SFwOqm I also signed up for a genealogy class at my local adult school. Many things that were said in the book were reiterated by the teacher. I haven't looked at my copy of the book in a long time, but the review mentions a filing system. I pretty much try to let my genealogy program do most of that. The focusing on one ancestor has been said by many genealogy teachers and lectures. And that works, as long as I'm looking for Percival X. Housewarmer. If we are looking for Manuel da Silva, that doesn't work out as well because we need to look for Manuel da Silva with Constancia de Jesus. So in the Portuguese records, we focus on a couple. Mrs. Croom mentions cluster genealogy. I'd kinda forgotten that. I believe most call it whole family or collateral genealogy, where you collect as many as you can. Even your 2nd cousins, 3 times removed. For those new to genealogy, I'd recommend checking out this book at your local library! -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Free database access Pico Terceira
Today only:You will see the link from this page:http://www.dholmes.com/rocha1.htmlEnjoy!Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDA MTdna sale
Today is the last day of Family Tree DNA's March Madness Sale on mtDNA: (order by 11:59 pm CST) New orders here: http://goo.gl/WGFMxE Existing FTDNA customers: Log into you kit and order from your page. mtDNAFullSequence Addon and New Kits - Was $199 US Now $139 US mtHVR1toMEGA Upgrade - Was $149 US Now $99 US mtHVR2toMEGA Upgrade - Was $159 US Now $89 US And here is Roberta Estes, genealogy geneticst, take on mtDNA from her blog: http://goo.gl/1awaFs Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tony Capodicci
Thank you Elizabeth! Rosemarie From: Elizabeth Migliori Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 8:49 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tony Capodicci Deepest Sympathies. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com wrote: My Dear Azores Group Family, I am writing to let you know that my husband, Tony, passed away this past Friday. I have spoken with my girls and other family members and they are all encouraging me to go to Salt Lake City and teach at the Conference. Cheri told me that there were several people wondering about that fact. I promise that I will be there, God willing! If you would like to send me an email, please address it to my home addy not the List. Thank you all, Rosemarie -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation of Alferes
Mary Elena, my definition from my Portuguese books for Alferes is 2nd Lieutenant. Rosemarie From: Maria Lima Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:00 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation of Alferes Thank you Manoel. There was a lot of names there. I looked up the occupation or title Alferes And it said Ensign. It is curious that the priest wrote THE ALFERES. As if the person were the only one like a judge or maybe the keeper of a Lighthouse that served as an ensign . I wonder what that occupation or title that be in the context of the culture at the time? Maria Elena On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:07 AM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote: Maria, The father is Francisco José de Resendes. The godfather is Bernardo José do Rego son of the alferes Antonio do Rego Sousa Coutinho, deceased, and Dona Inacia Rosa. Manoel Em terça-feira, 1 de abril de 2014 00h41min49s UTC-3, Maria escreveu: Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing ) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of - I could not decipher the name: Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias (???) Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks like it talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his wife is Donna Ignacia ? rosa? I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents. Any help would be appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on first name
Hi Maria, Florencia Roza, daughter of Jose Francisco de Rezendes and his legitimate wife Engracia Roza (you can also find Engracio for male) Flora, Florbela, Florença, Florencia, Florentino, Floriana, Floripes, Florisa, Florisbela, Florival, Florentina, and Florinda are all common here! Cheers On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com wrote: Left hand page, bottom name (a baptism) Is this name FLORENCIA? !! (Not very common name- but I'll take it :) It nice when you have unusual names like Engrazia, the mother in this case,especially when the husband has a popular name like Francisco Jose. A couple of times in my hunt here, I got sidetracked with other Francisco Jose's but the wife was Catarina or Maria and I kept looking for Engrazia Roza. Finally found her and knew that was really her name. Interesting that SHE selected an unusual name for her daughter Yay! Thank you CCA and all those who made these records available. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P67.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation of Alferes
That's just how Portuguese grammar works.It's always "o capitao" and "o sargento" etc.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message It is curious that the priest wrote "THE ALFERES". As if the person were the only one like a judge or maybe the keeper of a Lighthouse that served as an ensign . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Ricardo C, You made lots of points. Let me try to address some of them. Why does de Souza become DeSouza? Why did the trumpet in high school band have the last name Vandewater? I'm sure it was van de Water. All I know is that in school, the computer programs that creates the roll sheets capitalize the first letter of the last name, because everyone knows that your name is capitalized. As to the removal of the space, maybe it doesn't accept spaces? I've even have kids with hyphenated names and it wouldn't take the hyphen. I don't know if the programmers do the same thing in the courts and the Department of Motor Vehicle registration, but they may. I'm guessing it just probably comes from an egocentric view going back when people in America were named Jones, Smith, and Brown, before we had so many immigrants. However, I can write up list for the 100% Portuguese band director and I will write José de Sousa and he will type up and print out José DeSousa. However, he is American born and does not study genealogy. And you can't explain surnames and presurnames to him. He already knows everything! One of those types! As for 2nd, 3rd, etc generations in America, I have a theory. I'm 3rd generation. So is my sister. Growing up, my dad told us about being part Portuguese, that our ancestors (his grandma) was from the Azores and Sao Miguel. He brought out the encyclopedia and showed us. I think he told us Vila Franca, but I'm not sure. Today, I believe my sister knows the Azores and I think she knows Sao Miguel. She has no clue where on Sao Miguel and probably cannot pick out Sao Miguel on a map. Yet we were both shown on a map and were both there when my dad told us. Her interest level wasn't there, even though we both knew our immigrant ancestor. As for spoken Portuguese, I have a theory on that too. I speak just a little. I call it travel talk. I probably speak like a 3 year old. My sister speaks none. Neither does my dad. The only reason I speak a little is because I wanted to learn so I bought a book and tape/CD and tried to learn myself. My dad did not teach me. My dad did not speak. He will come to the hall and says that Portuguese sounds familiar, but he doesn't know what they are saying. He knows a couple of words. So why does my dad (2nd generation) not speak? Because his dad (1st generation) didn't speak either or quit speaking it. Why? Got to go back to the history books for that. People who immigrated before WWI and went through it in America, came out on the winning side, waving the U.S. flag. We have a saying, When in Rome, do as the Romans do, so in America, they did as the Americans did. Including school, which was something many immigrants did not have in the Azores. Back in the 19teens (through the 1960s, I believe), there was no emphasis on bilingual education. Everything was in English. So although my grandfather and his brothers learned Portuguese first, they went to school in America and learned English. They went home and their parents addressed them in Portuguese and they answered in English (this still happens today, with any kid..the parents address them in the native language, whether its Portuguese, Korean, Farsi, and the kid answers in English). I know you are saying, ok fine, but the 1st generation knew Portuguese so after his education years, what happened? I never heard my grandfather speak any Portuguese at all. But I suppose that if someone dropped him off in the Azores, he would have started to speak again after a couple of weeks. So why didn't he try to hang onto it and speak some to my dad? Because of Cupid! My immigrant ancestors had 4 boys and all 4 of them married American, English-speaking women. Back then (1930s) the women stayed home, cooked, and took care of the children. The moms spoke only English. So my dad and his cousins did not learn Portuguese. I really think that the language and culture get passed down through the moms due to child rearing. Yet my dad and his cousins were left with their Portuguese grandparents in the summers during WWII. This is why my dad says Portuguese is familiar to him. His grandparents would speak Portuguese to each other (especially if they didn't want the grandkids to know) but not so much to the grandkids. My dad knew the words, leite d'vaca as his grandmother would give him money and send him off to the store to get some milk. The youngest grandchild (maybe 2 or 3 years old) did wind up speaking some Portuguese initially. His parents were getting a divorce and he was in the house with his Portuguese grandmother for a few months (again, during WWII, probably in the summer). After the divorce was settled (I'm guessing it was really the summer), he went back to American mom who only spoke English and the Portuguese wasn't reinforced. And I also look at the immigrant ancestor, Gloria. She was very, very pro-education. She didn't have access to education in the Azores. She
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
There you go Chery, you and your sister were some of the lucky ones! That's why I said Some families. Also in your longer paragraph you reinforce what I said as another possible reason LIFE reasons! That example of moms in the kitchen and cupid lol, is perfectly understandable. Don't forget also the ones who somehow faced their hard life in Azores 200 years ago as something to forget and so they did. The De/Da/Do here normally are associated to surnames, da Ponte, de Andrade or d'Andrade, etc. But you can also see them in Maria da Conceição, Olinda de Jesus, etc. These make more sense connecting names than surnames, but then, and again, its all part of our in-heritage and the way things were 100, 200, 300 and more years ago. Its changing nowadays Cheri. I myself did it with my son. No DOS OR DAS for you buddy, simple short name but still maintain his mom and dad last names. About West coast and East coast, by the way, RI is where the majority of my CHAVES live, I don't know. What I know is that if we are talking about genealogy, as you just said, names have to be Portuguese or you wont be able to go anywhere with it! If not, Azorean descendents want to Americanize their names or their origin country names, fine by me! Also, I have proof of this, not everyone, specially individuals like me, who live here, my age, interested in deep roots research, my family is huge, and as far as I know, there are only a couple with some curiosity and none really into it. And when you really dedicate some passion into this you can go far, really far. You can also be considered crazy. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Ricardo C, You made lots of points. Let me try to address some of them. Why does de Souza become DeSouza? Why did the trumpet in high school band have the last name Vandewater? I'm sure it was van de Water. All I know is that in school, the computer programs that creates the roll sheets capitalize the first letter of the last name, because everyone knows that your name is capitalized. As to the removal of the space, maybe it doesn't accept spaces? I've even have kids with hyphenated names and it wouldn't take the hyphen. I don't know if the programmers do the same thing in the courts and the Department of Motor Vehicle registration, but they may. I'm guessing it just probably comes from an egocentric view going back when people in America were named Jones, Smith, and Brown, before we had so many immigrants. However, I can write up list for the 100% Portuguese band director and I will write José de Sousa and he will type up and print out José DeSousa. However, he is American born and does not study genealogy. And you can't explain surnames and presurnames to him. He already knows everything! One of those types! As for 2nd, 3rd, etc generations in America, I have a theory. I'm 3rd generation. So is my sister. Growing up, my dad told us about being part Portuguese, that our ancestors (his grandma) was from the Azores and Sao Miguel. He brought out the encyclopedia and showed us. I think he told us Vila Franca, but I'm not sure. Today, I believe my sister knows the Azores and I think she knows Sao Miguel. She has no clue where on Sao Miguel and probably cannot pick out Sao Miguel on a map. Yet we were both shown on a map and were both there when my dad told us. Her interest level wasn't there, even though we both knew our immigrant ancestor. As for spoken Portuguese, I have a theory on that too. I speak just a little. I call it travel talk. I probably speak like a 3 year old. My sister speaks none. Neither does my dad. The only reason I speak a little is because I wanted to learn so I bought a book and tape/CD and tried to learn myself. My dad did not teach me. My dad did not speak. He will come to the hall and says that Portuguese sounds familiar, but he doesn't know what they are saying. He knows a couple of words. So why does my dad (2nd generation) not speak? Because his dad (1st generation) didn't speak either or quit speaking it. Why? Got to go back to the history books for that. People who immigrated before WWI and went through it in America, came out on the winning side, waving the U.S. flag. We have a saying, When in Rome, do as the Romans do, so in America, they did as the Americans did. Including school, which was something many immigrants did not have in the Azores. Back in the 19teens (through the 1960s, I believe), there was no emphasis on bilingual education. Everything was in English. So although my grandfather and his brothers learned Portuguese first, they went to school in America and learned English. They went home and their parents addressed them in Portuguese and they answered in English (this still happens today, with any kid..the parents address them in the native language, whether its Portuguese, Korean, Farsi, and the kid answers in English). I know
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Hi Cheri and Ricardo, My story is similar to Cheri's. My parents both worked so I spend a great deal of time with my grandparents who immigrated the early 1900's. My grandfather came via Santa Maria, Bermuda, back to Santa Maria for his bride, and then to California. He and his brother kept the name de Figueiredo. My grandparents didn't speak or write when they came, but at least one of their father's did, at least enough to be able to spell their name correctly (I believe it was probably my grandmother). They came to California because she had an uncle who lived there and got my grandfather a job. He spoke better English because he was in the work force, but my grandmother went to school to become a citizen. I remember helping my grandfather study for his driving test. Since he could not read or write they just tested his ability to know the traffic signs. Somehow he always passed! I have seen records of my great uncle listed as D Figueiredo instead of de Figueiredo and some listed correctly. To say the least the name is often mispelled. My grandparents spoke in English to me, but I am sure they spoke Portuguese to each other. When I first got interested in genealogy and trying to learn a little Portuguese I felt much like Cheri's father (it was familar). I took Spanish in high school but never was enamored with the language. I wonder how it would have been if Portuguese had been offered. My Bermuda cousins all dropped the de Figueiredo and used Soares which has been quite a problem for me, but it doesn't seem to matter to them. They also Anglicized all of the names. José became Joe, João became John etc. My grandfather did use Ben instead of Bernardino and I found out my grandmother used Bertha sometimes, however I never knew her as anything but Bernardina. The Bermudians also use St. Michael, St. Mary, and St. George. So... it just depends on your relatives. I guess my point is there is no right and wrong. Just as language changes so do names. I try to keep the names as Portuguese names and then write notes as to the changes that obviously occurred. Tish On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.com wrote: There you go Chery, you and your sister were some of the lucky ones! That's why I said Some families. Also in your longer paragraph you reinforce what I said as another possible reason LIFE reasons! That example of moms in the kitchen and cupid lol, is perfectly understandable. Don't forget also the ones who somehow faced their hard life in Azores 200 years ago as something to forget and so they did. The De/Da/Do here normally are associated to surnames, da Ponte, de Andrade or d'Andrade, etc. But you can also see them in Maria da Conceição, Olinda de Jesus, etc. These make more sense connecting names than surnames, but then, and again, its all part of our in-heritage and the way things were 100, 200, 300 and more years ago. Its changing nowadays Cheri. I myself did it with my son. No DOS OR DAS for you buddy, simple short name but still maintain his mom and dad last names. About West coast and East coast, by the way, RI is where the majority of my CHAVES live, I don't know. What I know is that if we are talking about genealogy, as you just said, names have to be Portuguese or you wont be able to go anywhere with it! If not, Azorean descendents want to Americanize their names or their origin country names, fine by me! Also, I have proof of this, not everyone, specially individuals like me, who live here, my age, interested in deep roots research, my family is huge, and as far as I know, there are only a couple with some curiosity and none really into it. And when you really dedicate some passion into this you can go far, really far. You can also be considered crazy. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Ricardo C, You made lots of points. Let me try to address some of them. Why does de Souza become DeSouza? Why did the trumpet in high school band have the last name Vandewater? I'm sure it was van de Water. All I know is that in school, the computer programs that creates the roll sheets capitalize the first letter of the last name, because everyone knows that your name is capitalized. As to the removal of the space, maybe it doesn't accept spaces? I've even have kids with hyphenated names and it wouldn't take the hyphen. I don't know if the programmers do the same thing in the courts and the Department of Motor Vehicle registration, but they may. I'm guessing it just probably comes from an egocentric view going back when people in America were named Jones, Smith, and Brown, before we had so many immigrants. However, I can write up list for the 100% Portuguese band director and I will write José de Sousa and he will type up and print out José DeSousa. However, he is American born and does not study genealogy. And you can't explain surnames and presurnames to him. He already knows
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Lake City Conference
We aim for every 18 months, but it winds up being about every other year. We'd like the next one to be around Sept, 2015. We'll have to wait and see. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Lake City Conference
Hi Cheri, I am very disappointed that I only recently found this group and it was too late for me to make this year's conference fit into my schedule. How often do you hold this conference? I am hoping it is an annual event. Thank you, Erica B -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta
Doug, you could probably ask him yourself. He will be celebrating a Mass the first Sunday of May at St. Elizabeth's and there will be a reception after. Mary Ann In a message dated 3/31/2014 10:46:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, terce...@dholmes.com writes: I just read in the latest issue of O Progresso (by the Portuguese Historical Society of Sacramento) about the new Bishop Myron Cotta. Any chance that someone knows about his link to the Azores? It says his grandparents were immigrants and I assume they were from Terceira, since that's where most named Cotta are from (now spelled as Cota). I would like to find my own link to his family, since I have lots of Cota ancestors from Terceira. Obrigado, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 Website: _www.dholmes.com_ (http://www.dholmes.com/) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to _azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] ftdna in common with
There used to be a feature in ftdna called in common with and you could pick one of the names you matched and see who you both matched. I don't see that anymore. Has that gone away or ? Thx. Judy -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] ftdna in common with
Hi Judy,I just answered your email to me with that question.Yes, it's there under the names of your matches, on the far right icon.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] ftdna "in common with" From: jt judy...@charter.net Date: Tue, April 01, 2014 3:26 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com There used to be a feature in ftdna called "in common with" and you could pick one of the names you matched and see who you both matched. I don't see that anymore. Has that gone away or ?Thx.Judy -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Well this might be the same reason of why immigrants did not teach their children how to speak their native language. My mother whose first language was Spanish and when she started going to school they did not allow them to speak Spanish in school and if they did they would get in trouble. She nor her brothers taught any of her children how to speak Spanish, like Cheri I took classes because I would spend every summer with my grandfather who would only speak Spanish. I did not even know he spoke English until he passed away. Now my kids Great Grandmother who is 94yrs old refers to Sao Miguel as St Michael, she does not speak Portuguese either, nor could her mother. She would get letters from Massaschuettes from her Uncles/Aunts in Portuguese and would have to have someone else translate them. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Tish M tish.me...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cheri and Ricardo, My story is similar to Cheri's. My parents both worked so I spend a great deal of time with my grandparents who immigrated the early 1900's. My grandfather came via Santa Maria, Bermuda, back to Santa Maria for his bride, and then to California. He and his brother kept the name de Figueiredo. My grandparents didn't speak or write when they came, but at least one of their father's did, at least enough to be able to spell their name correctly (I believe it was probably my grandmother). They came to California because she had an uncle who lived there and got my grandfather a job. He spoke better English because he was in the work force, but my grandmother went to school to become a citizen. I remember helping my grandfather study for his driving test. Since he could not read or write they just tested his ability to know the traffic signs. Somehow he always passed! I have seen records of my great uncle listed as D Figueiredo instead of de Figueiredo and some listed correctly. To say the least the name is often mispelled. My grandparents spoke in English to me, but I am sure they spoke Portuguese to each other. When I first got interested in genealogy and trying to learn a little Portuguese I felt much like Cheri's father (it was familar). I took Spanish in high school but never was enamored with the language. I wonder how it would have been if Portuguese had been offered. My Bermuda cousins all dropped the de Figueiredo and used Soares which has been quite a problem for me, but it doesn't seem to matter to them. They also Anglicized all of the names. José became Joe, João became John etc. My grandfather did use Ben instead of Bernardino and I found out my grandmother used Bertha sometimes, however I never knew her as anything but Bernardina. The Bermudians also use St. Michael, St. Mary, and St. George. So... it just depends on your relatives. I guess my point is there is no right and wrong. Just as language changes so do names. I try to keep the names as Portuguese names and then write notes as to the changes that obviously occurred. Tish On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.comwrote: There you go Chery, you and your sister were some of the lucky ones! That's why I said Some families. Also in your longer paragraph you reinforce what I said as another possible reason LIFE reasons! That example of moms in the kitchen and cupid lol, is perfectly understandable. Don't forget also the ones who somehow faced their hard life in Azores 200 years ago as something to forget and so they did. The De/Da/Do here normally are associated to surnames, da Ponte, de Andrade or d'Andrade, etc. But you can also see them in Maria da Conceição, Olinda de Jesus, etc. These make more sense connecting names than surnames, but then, and again, its all part of our in-heritage and the way things were 100, 200, 300 and more years ago. Its changing nowadays Cheri. I myself did it with my son. No DOS OR DAS for you buddy, simple short name but still maintain his mom and dad last names. About West coast and East coast, by the way, RI is where the majority of my CHAVES live, I don't know. What I know is that if we are talking about genealogy, as you just said, names have to be Portuguese or you wont be able to go anywhere with it! If not, Azorean descendents want to Americanize their names or their origin country names, fine by me! Also, I have proof of this, not everyone, specially individuals like me, who live here, my age, interested in deep roots research, my family is huge, and as far as I know, there are only a couple with some curiosity and none really into it. And when you really dedicate some passion into this you can go far, really far. You can also be considered crazy. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Ricardo C, You made lots of points. Let me try to address some of them. Why does de Souza become DeSouza? Why did the trumpet in high school band have the last name Vandewater? I'm sure it was van de Water. All I
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ftdna in common with
Judy T, Look under the name of your match. You see 4 icons: An envelope (the email addy of your match), a talk bubble (where you make a note about your match), a boxy looking pedigree (where you can see their pedigree/Gedcom), and twisting arrows (In Common With). If you point at the icons and wait long enough, sometimes the pop up appears that tells you what the button is. Cheri On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:57 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Hi Judy, I just answered your email to me with that question. Yes, it's there under the names of your matches, on the far right icon. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] ftdna in common with From: jt judy...@charter.net Date: Tue, April 01, 2014 3:26 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com There used to be a feature in ftdna called in common with and you could pick one of the names you matched and see who you both matched. I don't see that anymore. Has that gone away or ? Thx. Judy -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on first name
Oh Ricardo- thank you so much for the list of names - That helps a lot. Maria Elena On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Maria, Florencia Roza, daughter of Jose Francisco de Rezendes and his legitimate wife Engracia Roza (you can also find Engracio for male) Flora, Florbela, Florença, Florencia, Florentino, Floriana, Floripes, Florisa, Florisbela, Florival, Florentina, and Florinda are all common here! Cheers On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com wrote: Left hand page, bottom name (a baptism) Is this name FLORENCIA? !! (Not very common name- but I'll take it :) It nice when you have unusual names like Engrazia, the mother in this case,especially when the husband has a popular name like Francisco Jose. A couple of times in my hunt here, I got sidetracked with other Francisco Jose's but the wife was Catarina or Maria and I kept looking for Engrazia Roza. Finally found her and knew that was really her name. Interesting that SHE selected an unusual name for her daughter Yay! Thank you CCA and all those who made these records available. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P67.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.
Lyn, I've worked on many Azores to Australia and New Zealand families. I agree with Cheri on this. Joseph doesn't know who his parents were, so there is no family to pursue in Flores. Santa Cruz and Lajes are the two concelhos of Flores, meaning he could be born anywhere on the island. Going on a needle in a haystack search for a baptism record with no more information than you already have can't help. Jose Silveira is one of the most common male names in the Azores, so it would be difficult to determine when you had the right person. I'd think it would be better to work through the Trove site to find more news articles that establish his life in Australia. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-availability=yq=dias%20francis Eric Edgar On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.com wrote: Lyn, what is Jose's last name, I realized you don't know his parents names and that's what your looking for. Is it SILVA or SILVEIRA? Silvaria could be a name but I believe is a misspell. A very common name in Central Group and Western Group is SILVEIRA, and of course Silva. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.comwrote: What are his parents names? I'll give a try. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Lyn S/B, If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his parents were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at the church roda. If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on Flores, you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais incognitos on 1 Jan 1830. I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date. Too convenient. But you can look, nevertheless. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal
Aloha, I will be traveling to Sao Miguel this June for the first time. I have a couple of ancestor names that migrated to Hawaii in 1883 via the SS Bell Rock from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. My GG Grandfather, Manoel Rapozo de Amaral came with his father, uncle and several siblings. I am hoping to connect more with the villages of my ancestors and perhaps records for deeper links to other family members. I do not have any other information on my GGG Grandfather, Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral or his spouse. Any Help or links on any of these names or villages would be greatly appreciated. My Mothers paternal side: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral - Portugal Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal Children: Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI Thank you, Tanya Smith -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Correct Pronunciation of Azores, islands and villages
Aloha, I am hoping that someone can steer me to a site that contains audio pronunciation for Portuguese words. Example: - Azores? My colleagues and I have 3 different pronunciations. Non of us speak Portuguese. Thanks, Tanya -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] SYLVIA from Graciosa
Hi, I will be attending the Azores research conference week after next in Salt Lake City and am certainly looking forward to it. Along those lines, I'm trying to do some preparatory work on my main Azorean research target. My great grandfather John Joseph Sylvia was reportedly born on Graciosa on Dec. 6, 1845. According to the U.S. Census he possibly immigrated in 1873 (according to the 1920 census) or 1884 (according to the 1910 census). He eventually settled in Yreka in northern California. He married in 1889 and died in Yreka in 1932. He is buried with his wife, Caroline Lemos, in the St. Joseph Cemetery (link: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=grGSln=sylviaGSiman=1GScid=2158169GRid=106395488; ). On Ancestry I found some shipping references to a sailor John Sylvia of about the right age in the 1865-1875 timeframe so he may have been a sailor for awhile before moving to California. One good example is 1869, the vessel Eagle sailing from Havana to New York. I don't know how to use the CCA and other research tools but I'm sure I will learn more on the trip. So, my question for now is what are some good tools I can use to try to find something about his birth in Graciosa and/or his early life before settling in California? I have taken the atDNA test through Ancestry and have posted my DNA record up on GEDMatch (Kit # A979857). Thanks! Ken Waters -- Amateur Genealogist in Mesa, AZ Twitter: @FamilyTreeAZ Interests: DNA, Azores, San Francisco, early colonial America Surnames: Waters, Craddock, Spencer, Sylvia, Lemos, Cummings, Spivey, Wood, Berkley, Wheeler, and so much more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation
I can't seem to figure out the name of Antonio Pacheco's father. I see last name as Pementel. Entry is on left hand side of page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800_item1/P153.html Thank you for your help. Sheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal
Tanya S, The 3 things in genealogy are a name, a date, and a place. You have all 3. Manoel, b. 1826 in Candalaria to Henrique Jose Raposo de Amaral Geronima Maria. Navigate the CCA site to Candalaria, then to 1826 and start checking out all the Manuels. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.
Lyn, I found these records in Flores. I don't know if you can read them but there is one very very close of what you wrote. The only question is if read somewhere he was actually Filho de pais não sabidos then none of these will serve you, but if that's not the case and you simply don't know his parents name, and he is Silveira, then there was a very close one. Around the dates you wrote these are the closest Josephs I found. STA CRUZ http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P47.html http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P57.html http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-CEDROS-B-1797-1833/FLR-SC-CEDROS-B-1797-1833_item1/P107.html http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860_item1/P18.html JOSE 03 JAN 1830 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860_item1/P19.html *JOSE DA SILVEIRA 1830* http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860_item1/P20.html JOSE DA SILVEIRA 1829 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1825-1839/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1825-1839_item1/P57.html Take care! On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:53 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Lyn, I've worked on many Azores to Australia and New Zealand families. I agree with Cheri on this. Joseph doesn't know who his parents were, so there is no family to pursue in Flores. Santa Cruz and Lajes are the two concelhos of Flores, meaning he could be born anywhere on the island. Going on a needle in a haystack search for a baptism record with no more information than you already have can't help. Jose Silveira is one of the most common male names in the Azores, so it would be difficult to determine when you had the right person. I'd think it would be better to work through the Trove site to find more news articles that establish his life in Australia. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-availability=yq=dias%20francis Eric Edgar On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.com wrote: Lyn, what is Jose's last name, I realized you don't know his parents names and that's what your looking for. Is it SILVA or SILVEIRA? Silvaria could be a name but I believe is a misspell. A very common name in Central Group and Western Group is SILVEIRA, and of course Silva. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.comwrote: What are his parents names? I'll give a try. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote: Lyn S/B, If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his parents were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at the church roda. If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on Flores, you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais incognitos on 1 Jan 1830. I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date. Too convenient. But you can look, nevertheless. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation
Sheri, it is Ignacio de Pimentel. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:42 PM, smartell...@gmail.com wrote: I can't seem to figure out the name of Antonio Pacheco's father. I see last name as Pementel. Entry is on left hand side of page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800_item1/P153.html Thank you for your help. Sheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal
Tanya, Here is the link to Manuel’s birth record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851_item1/P28.html His entry is #150 on the left side. It includes his grandparents’ names also. If you need help translating, let me know. Erica B. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of tanya808smith Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:19 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal Aloha, I will be traveling to Sao Miguel this June for the first time. I have a couple of ancestor names that migrated to Hawaii in 1883 via the SS Bell Rock from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. My GG Grandfather, Manoel Rapozo de Amaral came with his father, uncle and several siblings. I am hoping to connect more with the villages of my ancestors and perhaps records for deeper links to other family members. I do not have any other information on my GGG Grandfather, Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral or his spouse. Any Help or links on any of these names or villages would be greatly appreciated. My Mothers paternal side: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral - Portugal Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal Children: Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI Thank you, Tanya Smith -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with translation
Father is Ignacio Pimentel Mother is Maria Pacheca. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:42:52 PM UTC-4, smart...@gmail.com wrote: I can't seem to figure out the name of Antonio Pacheco's father. I see last name as Pementel. Entry is on left hand side of page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800_item1/P153.html Thank you for your help. Sheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Ricardo while I understand your concerns, we are not trying to boil the ocean or cure world hunger here. We are simply trying to share our experiences and hopes with each other to learn what we can about our ancestors. It really is that simple. That's it. Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta
Doug, Are your Cotta's from Doze Ribeiras? Helen -Original Message- From: terceira terce...@dholmes.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:46 pm Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta I just read in the latest issue of O Progresso (by the Portuguese Historical Society of Sacramento) about the new Bishop Myron Cotta. Any chance that someone knows about his link to the Azores? It says his grandparents were immigrants and I assume they were from Terceira, since that's where most named Cotta are from (now spelled as Cota). I would like to find my own link to his family, since I have lots of Cota ancestors from Terceira. Obrigado, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 Website: www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal
How wonderful. Cheri told me to post that and I may have feedback. I didn't expect the record so fast. This is the first find for me I am so excited. Could you please translate for me. I can only make out a couple of names but I don't know what the extra word would mean. Thanks so much! Tanya On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Erica Botelho audiosource...@qwestoffice.net wrote: Tanya, Here is the link to Manuel's birth record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851_item1/P28.html His entry is #150 on the left side. It includes his grandparents' names also. If you need help translating, let me know. Erica B. *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *tanya808smith *Sent:* Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:19 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal Aloha, I will be traveling to Sao Miguel this June for the first time. I have a couple of ancestor names that migrated to Hawaii in 1883 via the SS Bell Rock from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. My GG Grandfather, Manoel Rapozo de Amaral came with his father, uncle and several siblings. I am hoping to connect more with the villages of my ancestors and perhaps records for deeper links to other family members. I do not have any other information on my GGG Grandfather, Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral or his spouse. Any Help or links on any of these names or villages would be greatly appreciated. My Mothers paternal side: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral - Portugal Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal Children: Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI Thank you, Tanya Smith -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal
Tanya, I am happy to help, but may have over sold my abilities. I am not able to translate records word for word, but have learned to glean certain information from them. Maybe one of the more talented members will fill in the blanks for you. Here is what I read: Manoel, legitimate son of Henrique Jose Rapoza and Geronima Maria naturaz Nossa Senhora das Candeias of Candelaria. Paternal grandparents Thome' Rapoza de Amaral and Marianna de Jesus Maternal grandparents Manoel Moreira and Anna Theresa Born 15 and baptized 24 September 1826 Padrinhos Manoel de Freitas and his wife Joaquina Eufrazia. I am not sure of the exact translation of Naturaz. I think it is similar to originally from but hopefully someone else will add on to this. Padrinhos are godparents. On many of the baptismal records, if someone named is deceased at the time of the record, the priest will write defunta. I did not see that in this record. It could mean that all the grandparents were still alive at this time, or it could be that the priest didn't record it. I add this little bit because I found many family records before I learned this and had to go back and re-read all of them. Your welcome, Erica B. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 7:16 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal How wonderful. Cheri told me to post that and I may have feedback. I didn't expect the record so fast. This is the first find for me I am so excited. Could you please translate for me. I can only make out a couple of names but I don't know what the extra word would mean. Thanks so much! Tanya On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Erica Botelho audiosource...@qwestoffice.net wrote: Tanya, Here is the link to Manuel's birth record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-182 1-1851/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851_item1/P28.html His entry is #150 on the left side. It includes his grandparents' names also. If you need help translating, let me know. Erica B. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of tanya808smith Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:19 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal Aloha, I will be traveling to Sao Miguel this June for the first time. I have a couple of ancestor names that migrated to Hawaii in 1883 via the SS Bell Rock from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. My GG Grandfather, Manoel Rapozo de Amaral came with his father, uncle and several siblings. I am hoping to connect more with the villages of my ancestors and perhaps records for deeper links to other family members. I do not have any other information on my GGG Grandfather, Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral or his spouse. Any Help or links on any of these names or villages would be greatly appreciated. My Mothers paternal side: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral - Portugal Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal Children: Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI Thank you, Tanya Smith -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal
Erica B got it right. Naturaes means natives of. So the parents are from there as well. You don't need to be able read. I call it read. It's more like bumble your way through. Many of us do this. There's some information on reading the records here on the Azores GenWeb: http://goo.gl/5Mb9GQ Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
