Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

There's a CalhetaS in the council of Ribeira Grande on Sao Miguel. Those
records start in the 1830s. Prior records are probably in one of the
neighboring freguesias, but I'm not sure which one. Maybe Rabo de Peixe.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:12 PM, bobcamscpw via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> hello everyone.  I am checking to see if there is records some where else
> the Island of Sao Miguel, village of Calheta before the 1600's'  I just
> found out that my Camacho line came from the Island of Sao Miguel
> they emigrated to Madeira around the earlier 1600's.  So I am looking for
> records before that time period.  Any help or ideas would be helpful.
>
> Bob Camacho
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel

[bobcamscpw via Azores Genealogy]

hello everyone.  I am checking to see if there is records some where else the 
Island of Sao Miguel, village of Calheta before the 1600's'  I just found out 
that my Camacho line came from the Island of Sao Miguel they emigrated to 
Madeira around the earlier 1600's.  So I am looking for records before that 
time period.  Any help or ideas would be helpful.

Bob Camacho


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re:

[linda]

Hi Suzanne,

Here's how I read it:

"...having received the divine sacraments granted to the ailing, he was 
accompanied by the Colegio and Crosses of the Confr.os [brothers? religious 
fraternity?] of this Parish where his body was entombed wrapped in the garb 
of San Francisco dos Comuns, fes sette meyo officio prezente [seven divine 
offices were made over] his body, he didn't leave a will, nor anything 
clearly inscritis [written?], but while alive he said that he wanted to 
expend as his bequest seven thousand reis " I lose the plot at this 
point, but I think it states how the legacy should be spent on his funeral, 
burial, and liturgies.  Red text indicates uncertainty in interpretation.

hope that helps,

:)

Linda


On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 4:11:08 PM UTC-7, Sme wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1763-1787/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1763-1787_item1/P176.html
>
> Bottom left (Manoel Machado husband of Rita Maria).
>
> Can someone please translate this doc  from the  6th line down starting at 
> "Recebeothrough the end of the document.
>
> Thank you.
> Suzanne
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] TAROUCA surname

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

I know Teresa Tarouca is a well known fadista.
John
 

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:18 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
 wrote:
 

 Hi!Does 
anyone have data on the surname TAROUCA?I have Manuel Lopes Tarouca married to 
Ana Lopes. They had Duarte Lopes married to Josefa do Sacramento, 21.9.1765, in 
Porto Formoso: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P85.html
  Muito Obrigado,Eliseu Pacheco da Silva“Sharing is one of the most profitable 
human resources” Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo( 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] TAROUCA surname

[Ângela Loura]

Now that's a first to me! Never saw it as a last name! lol


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2017-08-12 21:18 GMT+01:00 Eliseu Pacheco da Silva :

> Hi!
>
> Does anyone have data on the surname TAROUCA?
>
> I have Manuel Lopes Tarouca married to Ana Lopes. They had Duarte Lopes
> married to Josefa do Sacramento, 21.9.1765, in Porto Formoso:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P85.html
>
>
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> *“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” *
>
> Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
>
> ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] TAROUCA surname

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

Does anyone have data on the surname TAROUCA?

I have Manuel Lopes Tarouca married to Ana Lopes. They had Duarte Lopes
married to Josefa do Sacramento, 21.9.1765, in Porto Formoso:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1
737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P85.html

 

Muito Obrigado,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” 

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

(   http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel
)

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Eric Souza]

I did indeed miss it ... thanks for sharing the link - I'll follow up and 
will submit data.

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 9:18:42 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Eric S,
>
> I posted on June 5th about Blaine's study and then a reminder again on 
> June 17th. Maybe life got in the way and you missed it:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/azores/bettinger%7Csort:relevance/azores/9x41hGzYawQ/ZSpaSJOzBgAJ
>
> The study is ongoing. You can submit at any time. It's just that Blaine 
> took the data that was submitted to him by June 30th and he's now rerunning 
> the stats. And he'll rerun them again in the future. Because a sample size 
> of 2 endogamous 3C2R does not make for a good sample size. But it's a 
> start. That's why I told your match maybe "something like" a 3C2R. There's 
> not good data out there for me to say with total confidence. That's why I 
> said you may even have to go back 1-2 generations further. So all the iffy, 
> fuzzy type responses. But as we all chip in to work on this puzzle together 
> (and it's REAL nice of you to create the tree of your match), it will start 
> to come into focus.
>
> (New to genealogy people: 3C2R = 3rd Cousin 2 times Removed)
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Cheri. I don't know about Blaine's study ... or is that the 
>> Azores project with FTDNA that I opted into? Just wanting to make sure I'm 
>> helping if there's a way to help weave the web ...
>>
>> I do think I'm getting close!
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 8:47:26 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric S,
>>>
>>> Since I can see your DNA page with your match, I'll use the FTDNA 
>>> numbers. Your match may be something like a 3C2R or maybe further. There's 
>>> not good data out there for 4th, 5th, etc cousins. Maybe more people 
>>> submitted their cMs for Blaine Bettinger's study and maybe he'll be able to 
>>> report 4C and 4C1R data to us this time. We'll have to wait and see. 
>>>
>>> In the meantime, you'll probably have to go back to the 4 greats to 
>>> figure it out. Maybe 1-2 generations more. That's my best guess based on 
>>> what others have found.   Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a DNA match with Julie Souza Bassett with 36.7 cM. I'm in 
 GEDmatch with Kit T153402.

 I started with her grandparents, and started going back from there.

 GrandfaterJoaquin Azevedo Souza b. 2/23/1894 d. 9/10/1953
 Grandmother Maria Ezilda Leonardo Souza b. 1/1/1901 d. 12/3/1987

 Here's a screenshot of what I've found so far, and believe to be 
 accurate ... it's a private tree in Ancestry, so my "work in progress" 
 isn't out as public fact, as I haven't found all documentation.

 Haven't found our common ancestor yet ...


 On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 2:31:01 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste 
 wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
>
> These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their 
> daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you 
> among my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nancy Jean
> --
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
> of Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of 
> João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge 
>  
> Eric, 
> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>>
>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>>
>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de 
>> Souza Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>>
>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> - Eric
>>
>> -- 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Cheri Mello]

Eric S,

I posted on June 5th about Blaine's study and then a reminder again on June
17th. Maybe life got in the way and you missed it:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/azores/bettinger%7Csort:relevance/azores/9x41hGzYawQ/ZSpaSJOzBgAJ

The study is ongoing. You can submit at any time. It's just that Blaine
took the data that was submitted to him by June 30th and he's now rerunning
the stats. And he'll rerun them again in the future. Because a sample size
of 2 endogamous 3C2R does not make for a good sample size. But it's a
start. That's why I told your match maybe "something like" a 3C2R. There's
not good data out there for me to say with total confidence. That's why I
said you may even have to go back 1-2 generations further. So all the iffy,
fuzzy type responses. But as we all chip in to work on this puzzle together
(and it's REAL nice of you to create the tree of your match), it will start
to come into focus.

(New to genealogy people: 3C2R = 3rd Cousin 2 times Removed)
Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Thanks, Cheri. I don't know about Blaine's study ... or is that the Azores
> project with FTDNA that I opted into? Just wanting to make sure I'm helping
> if there's a way to help weave the web ...
>
> I do think I'm getting close!
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 8:47:26 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Eric S,
>>
>> Since I can see your DNA page with your match, I'll use the FTDNA
>> numbers. Your match may be something like a 3C2R or maybe further. There's
>> not good data out there for 4th, 5th, etc cousins. Maybe more people
>> submitted their cMs for Blaine Bettinger's study and maybe he'll be able to
>> report 4C and 4C1R data to us this time. We'll have to wait and see.
>>
>> In the meantime, you'll probably have to go back to the 4 greats to
>> figure it out. Maybe 1-2 generations more. That's my best guess based on
>> what others have found.   Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a DNA match with Julie Souza Bassett with 36.7 cM. I'm in
>>> GEDmatch with Kit T153402.
>>>
>>> I started with her grandparents, and started going back from there.
>>>
>>> GrandfaterJoaquin Azevedo Souza b. 2/23/1894 d. 9/10/1953
>>> Grandmother Maria Ezilda Leonardo Souza b. 1/1/1901 d. 12/3/1987
>>>
>>> Here's a screenshot of what I've found so far, and believe to be
>>> accurate ... it's a private tree in Ancestry, so my "work in progress"
>>> isn't out as public fact, as I haven't found all documentation.
>>>
>>> Haven't found our common ancestor yet ...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 2:31:01 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste
>>> wrote:

 Eric,


 These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their
 daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you
 among my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?


 Best regards,

 Nancy Jean
 --
 *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
 Rosemarie Capodicci 
 *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of
 João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

 Eric,
 There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
 Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo.


 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza 
 wrote:

> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
> TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>
> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>
> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza
> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>
> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Eric
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Thanks, Cheri. I don't know about Blaine's study ... or is that the Azores 
project with FTDNA that I opted into? Just wanting to make sure I'm helping 
if there's a way to help weave the web ...

I do think I'm getting close!

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 8:47:26 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Eric S,
>
> Since I can see your DNA page with your match, I'll use the FTDNA numbers. 
> Your match may be something like a 3C2R or maybe further. There's not good 
> data out there for 4th, 5th, etc cousins. Maybe more people submitted their 
> cMs for Blaine Bettinger's study and maybe he'll be able to report 4C and 
> 4C1R data to us this time. We'll have to wait and see. 
>
> In the meantime, you'll probably have to go back to the 4 greats to figure 
> it out. Maybe 1-2 generations more. That's my best guess based on what 
> others have found.   Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> I have a DNA match with Julie Souza Bassett with 36.7 cM. I'm in GEDmatch 
>> with Kit T153402.
>>
>> I started with her grandparents, and started going back from there.
>>
>> GrandfaterJoaquin Azevedo Souza b. 2/23/1894 d. 9/10/1953
>> Grandmother Maria Ezilda Leonardo Souza b. 1/1/1901 d. 12/3/1987
>>
>> Here's a screenshot of what I've found so far, and believe to be accurate 
>> ... it's a private tree in Ancestry, so my "work in progress" isn't out as 
>> public fact, as I haven't found all documentation.
>>
>> Haven't found our common ancestor yet ...
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 2:31:01 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>>
>>> These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their 
>>> daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you 
>>> among my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Nancy Jean
>>> --
>>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
>>> Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
>>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of 
>>> João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge 
>>>  
>>> Eric, 
>>> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
>>> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html

 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo

 Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza 
 Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?

 Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?

 Thanks!

 - Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Eric,
I think your Rosie Cravaho should be Carvalho but just a suggestion to
search!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Nancy Jean, thanks for your family information ... I see your Agueda's
> birth record here ...
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P151.html
>
> It's entirely possible my connection with Julie goes through another of
> the branches, so that's helpful information, that we likely don't share a
> DNA link.
>
> These are such nice records!
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 2:31:01 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste
> wrote:
>>
>> Eric,
>>
>>
>> These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their
>> daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you
>> among my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Nancy Jean
>> --
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of
>> João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge
>>
>> Eric,
>> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
>> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>>> TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>>>
>>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>>>
>>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza
>>> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>>>
>>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> - Eric
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Nancy Jean, thanks for your family information ... I see your Agueda's 
birth record here ...
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1801-1815_item1/P151.html

It's entirely possible my connection with Julie goes through another of the 
branches, so that's helpful information, that we likely don't share a DNA 
link. 

These are such nice records!

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 2:31:01 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
>
> These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their 
> daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you 
> among my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nancy Jean
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> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com   > on behalf of Rosemarie Capodicci  >
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of 
> João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge 
>  
> Eric, 
> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>>
>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>>
>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza 
>> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>>
>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Cheri Mello]

Eric S,

Since I can see your DNA page with your match, I'll use the FTDNA numbers.
Your match may be something like a 3C2R or maybe further. There's not good
data out there for 4th, 5th, etc cousins. Maybe more people submitted their
cMs for Blaine Bettinger's study and maybe he'll be able to report 4C and
4C1R data to us this time. We'll have to wait and see.

In the meantime, you'll probably have to go back to the 4 greats to figure
it out. Maybe 1-2 generations more. That's my best guess based on what
others have found.   Cheri

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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> I have a DNA match with Julie Souza Bassett with 36.7 cM. I'm in GEDmatch
> with Kit T153402.
>
> I started with her grandparents, and started going back from there.
>
> GrandfaterJoaquin Azevedo Souza b. 2/23/1894 d. 9/10/1953
> Grandmother Maria Ezilda Leonardo Souza b. 1/1/1901 d. 12/3/1987
>
> Here's a screenshot of what I've found so far, and believe to be accurate
> ... it's a private tree in Ancestry, so my "work in progress" isn't out as
> public fact, as I haven't found all documentation.
>
> Haven't found our common ancestor yet ...
>
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2017 at 2:31:01 AM UTC-7, nancy jean baptiste
> wrote:
>>
>> Eric,
>>
>>
>> These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their
>> daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you
>> among my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Nancy Jean
>> --
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of
>> João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge
>>
>> Eric,
>> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
>> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>>> TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>>>
>>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>>>
>>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza
>>> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>>>
>>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

You are welcome, just glad I could help. I probably wouldn't have realized
the Leonardes if I hadn't been editing the Sao Jorge Marriage Database! It
clicked so I looked up their marriage data!

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Thanks Rosemarie, you're the best!!
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 4:48:26 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Eric,
>> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
>> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>>> TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>>>
>>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>>>
>>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza
>>> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>>>
>>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> - Eric
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Keeping track of degree of cousinship

[Cheri Mello]

Judy,

That's the thing. The whole intermarriage/endogamy thing messed things up.
74 cMs would be just one cousin, and it wouldn't be a 6th cousin in a
regular population. A 6th cousin in a regular population shares 9 cM on
average and the range for a 6th cousin goes up to 21 cMs, not 74cMs!!!
Endogamy fragments the DNA so it's hard to get decent blocks to work with.
Yes, it seems like the total amount of DNA in common should count for
something. It's what we are working on trying to find out. Although I
attend DNA conferences, lectures, and classes, not all of the classes are
about endogamy. We are a bit different. And it seems like the endogamous
populations are different too. Jewish, Hawaiian, MennonitesI've been in
their classes too and conferred with many of them. They each see it a
little bit differently. It takes a long time to get the right data that we
need to figure it out. I can't force people to DNA test. People interested
in genealogy DNA test. After a while, they ask another relative to DNA
test. Then another. After building that, the fuzziness becomes a little
less fuzzy. And hopefully, will be clearer one day. Right now, we are still
asking people to DNA test. We are still in survey or census mode. So it's
kinda fuzzy. Ultimately, we need good representation from every single
freguesia on all 9 islands. That will bring it into focus. Right now,
there's some pockets here and there and those are starting to come into
focus. Many people DNA testing think that all one does in take a DNA test
and presto! There it all is. Most of us who have done genealogy for years
have only built our trees back in time. Maybe we had a few select ancestors
where we had all the kids with all their spouses. In doing DNA, you really
need to do whole family or cluster research, where you have to get your
ancestral couple, all their kids and all their grandkids with their
spouses. Then when that surprise 3rd cousin match shows up, you have a
vague idea of how that match might fit in. Most people just sit there and
wait for the DNA to magically make a tree for them. It doesn't work that
way. DNA and traditional research must be used together.

You're on the right track though. Keep plugging away and let us know what
you are figuring out. Many heads on this will be needed!
Thanks, Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 7:50 AM, Judy Thompson  wrote:

> Thx for the responses.  I will be contacting you Cheri re situations like
> the one below once I am sure all the links have been found.
>
> I have one match that shows as 2nd-4th cousins with 74 cms in common and
> we found 9! different links so far, closest is 6th cousin and I believe
> more than one link is 6th cousin.  I often find multiple links to my
> matches.  Most of the 9 links are from a set of my paternal great
> grandparents who are married and also blood relatives but at least one is
> to a maternal grandparent.  On the other hand I have a confirmed 3rd cousin
> x1 match that also has 74 cms in common, with seemingly only 1 link but a
> step relationship is also a cousin one so even that is complicated. The
> match was easy as I knew her relatives.  It seems to me that amount of dna
> in common should count for something but not sure what.
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Thanks Rosemarie, you're the best!!

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 4:48:26 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, 
> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>>
>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>>
>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza 
>> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>>
>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> - Eric
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Donald Vasconcelos]

I'll check!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2017, at 1:57 PM, nancy jean baptiste  
> wrote:
> 
> Don, I think this is the same family but I don't have this person...I have:
> 
> 
> Adjudante,Antonio da Silveira Leonardes married to Micaela do Rosario in 1777
> 
> 
> Capitao, Caetano da Silveira Leonardes married to Antonia Maria in 1740
> 
> 
> Capitao, Francisco Teixeira Leonardes married to Luisa do Espirito Santo da 
> Silveira in 1685
> 
> 
> Any of these familiar?
> 
> 
> Nancy Jean
> 
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Donald 
> Vasconcelos 
> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:53:38 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João 
> Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge
>  
> Nancy and Eric,
> This might be how I am connected to Nancy. 
> Do you have a Francisca Maria de Jesus (b. Topo 10 Oct 1770) married Adjutant 
> Warrant Officer Francisco da Silverado Leonardo on 7 Nov 1803 in your tree?
> Don Vasconcelos
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 12, 2017, at 9:30 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
> wrote:
> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>> 
>> These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their 
>> daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you 
>> among my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Nancy Jean
>> 
>>  
>> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
>> Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João 
>> Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge
>>  
>> Eric, 
>> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
>> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo. 
>> 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza  
>>> wrote:
>>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>>> 
>>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>>> 
>>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza 
>>> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>>> 
>>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> - Eric
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Keeping track of degree of cousinship

[Judy Thompson]

Thx for the responses.  I will be contacting you Cheri re situations 
like the one below once I am sure all the links have been found.


I have one match that shows as 2nd-4th cousins with 74 cms in common and 
we found 9! different links so far, closest is 6th cousin and I believe 
more than one link is 6th cousin.  I often find multiple links to my 
matches.  Most of the 9 links are from a set of my paternal great 
grandparents who are married and also blood relatives but at least one 
is to a maternal grandparent.  On the other hand I have a confirmed 3rd 
cousin x1 match that also has 74 cms in common, with seemingly only 1 
link but a step relationship is also a cousin one so even that is 
complicated. The match was easy as I knew her relatives.  It seems to me 
that amount of dna in common should count for something but not sure what.





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[nancy jean baptiste]

Don, I think this is the same family but I don't have this person...I have:


Adjudante,Antonio da Silveira Leonardes married to Micaela do Rosario in 1777


Capitao, Caetano da Silveira Leonardes married to Antonia Maria in 1740


Capitao, Francisco Teixeira Leonardes married to Luisa do Espirito Santo da 
Silveira in 1685


Any of these familiar?


Nancy Jean


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Donald 
Vasconcelos 
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:53:38 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João 
Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

Nancy and Eric,
This might be how I am connected to Nancy.
Do you have a Francisca Maria de Jesus (b. Topo 10 Oct 1770) married Adjutant 
Warrant Officer Francisco da Silverado Leonardo on 7 Nov 1803 in your tree?
Don Vasconcelos

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 12, 2017, at 9:30 AM, nancy jean baptiste 
> wrote:


Eric,


These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their 
daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you among 
my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?


Best regards,

Nancy Jean


From: azores@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Rosemarie Capodicci >
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João 
Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

Eric,
There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo.


Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza 
> wrote:
I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html

16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo

Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza Machado? 
And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?

Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?

Thanks!

- Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation / meaning

[Cheri Mello]

You'd have to send the link to the record to be sure.
On Aug 12, 2017 2:55 AM,  wrote:

> So...Parochial  is another way of saying  parish?
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 4:11:00 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> I don't know where you are looking, but I'm guessing the church is named
>> Sao Tiago so the guy was a native (born there) and a parishioner (goes to
>> church there) of this parish of the apostle of Sao Tiago.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Sme  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone.  Sorry for so many postings.  I have one day a week I can
>>> work on the translations of my ancestors' documents.
>>>
>>> What does Parochial do Apostolo mean?
>>>
>>> He was a native and parishioner of this  "Parochial do Apostolo" Sao
>>> Tiago (St. James).
>>>
>>> thanks.
>>> Suzanne
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[Donald Vasconcelos]

Nancy and Eric,
This might be how I am connected to Nancy. 
Do you have a Francisca Maria de Jesus (b. Topo 10 Oct 1770) married Adjutant 
Warrant Officer Francisco da Silverado Leonardo on 7 Nov 1803 in your tree?
Don Vasconcelos

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> On Aug 12, 2017, at 9:30 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
> wrote:
> 
> Eric,
> 
> 
> These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their 
> daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you among 
> my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Nancy Jean
> 
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
> Rosemarie Capodicci 
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João 
> Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge
>  
> Eric, 
> There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
> Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo. 
> 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza  
>> wrote:
>> I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html
>> 
>> 16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo
>> 
>> Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza 
>> Machado? And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?
>> 
>> Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> - Eric
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[AZORES-Genealogy] My my my.

[Tish M]

Hi Jeremy,
It's nice to have people stand up to the trashing that was going on. This
was the reason I took myself off of the Azores Facebook page. Did you write
the same message to the Azores Facebook page?
Happy hunting...in research and the meaning of good life.
Tish

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Ventura

[Cathy Bourgeois]

My brother got translations back on 7/23/17 from Joao.  They were sent to
him in June.  He did have trouble with his email at one point so try him
again.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Walter Teixeira 
wrote:

> Has anyone heard from Joao Ventura (hero...@yahoo.com) recently?  I have
> sent him a number of emails for the translation of documents over the last
> few months and have not received a reply.  Does anyone know if he is still
> doing this or if he has changed email address?  Anyone knowing anything
> recent about him, please reply.  Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation / meaning

[climbatree2]

So...Parochial  is another way of saying  parish?

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 4:11:00 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I don't know where you are looking, but I'm guessing the church is named 
> Sao Tiago so the guy was a native (born there) and a parishioner (goes to 
> church there) of this parish of the apostle of Sao Tiago.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Sme  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone.  Sorry for so many postings.  I have one day a week I can 
>> work on the translations of my ancestors' documents.   
>>
>> What does Parochial do Apostolo mean?
>>
>> He was a native and parishioner of this  "Parochial do Apostolo" Sao 
>> Tiago (St. James).
>>
>> thanks.
>> Suzanne
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

[nancy jean baptiste]

Eric,


These are my ggg grandparents, Martinho and Anna. I descend from their 
daughter, Agueda, born 1809. How do you relate to them? I don't see you among 
my matches in the DNA project..unless you are John Souza?


Best regards,

Nancy Jean


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Rosemarie 
Capodicci 
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 6:48:23 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble with names ... relatives of João 
Silveira Leonardo, Sao Jorge

Eric,
There marriage 15 Nov 1808 Image #85
Martinho de Souza Machado & Anna Silveira Leonardes in Topo.


Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Eric Souza 
> wrote:
I'm having difficulty with some of the names in this record ...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P46.html

16 Nov 1871, João Silveira Leonardo

Specifically, the paternal grandfather ... is that "Mocticho" de Souza Machado? 
And paternal grandmother Anna Silveira Leonardo?

Maternal grandparents, Francisco Joze de Azevedo and Marianna Cucicao?

Thanks!

- Eric

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Baptismal Maia 1753

[IslandRoutes]

JR and Margaret,
Thanks so much for the help!  I have gotten better an translating but this 
one was a challenge.

I can see where I got confused on the godparents.  Abbreviated 
names...G!

Thanks,
Mel

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 3:10:35 PM UTC-7, IslandRoutes wrote:
>
> I finally found my ancestor, Antonio Moniz's baptismal record, in 1753, 
> Maia.  Unfortunately, it's so faded that it's hard to make out.
>
> Would someone give it a once over to see if I've got it right?  I'd 
> appreciate it.  It's image 0040, the one in the upper left hand corner.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1751-1762/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1751-1762_item1/P40.html
>
> This is what I came up with::
> Antonio, son of Joze Muniz and Maria Benevides of Maia
> born 23 Feb 1753; baptized 26 Feb 1753
>
> The godparents are really sketchy:  Andre(?) da Costa son of _ 
> Costa Souza and Margarida da Souza, daughter of Manoel Moniz
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Mel
>

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