[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fenais da Ajuda- Marriage record help

[JR]

It's Adriano Pacheco. How do I know? I cheated and looked him up. At the 
end of the books are indexes for 1810-1836 and 1772-1810. That should make 
you laugh.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1772-1810/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1772-1810_item1/P73.html

JR

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 10:58:53 PM UTC-4, jemendonca642 wrote:
>
> Left side, 4th line from bottom.  I am unable to make out the groom's 
> father's first name.
> *Amiro??* Pacheco &  Delfina do Couto.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1810-1836/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1810-1836_item1/P143.html
>
> Thanks again.
> -- 
> Joseph Mendonca
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help back of chapel photo Lajes do Pico

[Sandra Valine Dauer]

thank you

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:20 AM, Turlu  wrote:

>
>
> segunda-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2018 às 18:50:15 UTC, Sandra Valine Dauer
> escreveu:
>>
>> Need help with translation for writing on the back of the photo of little
>> chapel S Pedro, Lajes do Pico.
>> Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
>>
>
> Google translation:
> Our dear little church of St. Peter who has such grateful memories for us.
>
> Cumprimentos,
>
> Miguel Santos
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Fenais da Ajuda- Marriage record help

[Joseph Mendonca]

Left side, 4th line from bottom.  I am unable to make out the groom's
father's first name.
*Amiro??* Pacheco &  Delfina do Couto.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1810-1836/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1810-1836_item1/P143.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel-Baptism record help

[Joseph Mendonca]

Thanks Margaret.  It's a mystery.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 9:54 PM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Joseph, you're welcome.
>
> Starting with the bottom link and the 'supposed' grandparents of Maria.
> There indeed is a couple by the name of Elias do Rego and Maria Jacinta but
> their marriage date is in 1818 while Escolastica was born/exposta in 1837.
> Why they are mentioned as grandparents is interesting.
>
> When legitimization occurred the birth record would be annotated to that
> effect.  There are no legitimization notes in Escolastica's baptismal
> record.
>
> Here is the link for Elias do Rego marriage to Maria Jacinta, right side.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831_item1/P119.html
>
> Their first child, Ana-bottom left
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1815-1821/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1815-1821_item1/P102.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 8:02 PM Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Richard.  The ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’ that
>> I have found *are in different generations*.  I haven’t found their
>> marriage records, but they are named in the baptismal records of their
>> children and grandchildren.
>>
>> Here are the records which mention them:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. LEFT PAGE, Maria.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864_item1/P334.html
>>
>>
>>
>> 2.RIGHT-TOP, Jacinto.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831_item1/P21.html
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. RIGHT-BOTTOM, Anna.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801_item1/P7.html
>>
>>
>>
>> It is possible that the ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’
>> mentioned in records #2 and #3 may be the same couple and I’ve yet to rule
>> that in or out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you, Margaret.  I had found that marriage record and it indicates
>> that the bride “Escolastica” was an exposta and baptized in Conceicao,
>> Ribeira Grande.  I found her husband’s baptismal (b. 28 May 1828) record
>> which is #2 above and the one that started this thread.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am interested in anyone’s opinion regarding ‘Escolastica’ regarding the
>> following information I’ve found thus far.  I searched for Escolastica’s
>> baptismal record in Conceicao from 1821 to 1837 and only found one child
>> with that name baptized on 2 Nov 1837.  And that child was an ‘exposta’.
>> If this is her than it makes her 15 years and 7 months old at the time of
>> the marriage to Jacinto.
>>
>> Now, my question is: should I continue to look back further to rule out
>> the possibility of another considerably older ‘Escolastica’ who also
>> happened to be exposta AND should I continue to look further forward for
>> another considerably younger ‘Escolastica’ who also happened to be
>> exposta.  I have seen it, but how much younger could she be?  My gut
>> feeling is that this is her, but should I be a little more thorough?
>>
>> Here is the record:
>>
>> LEFT-TOP, Escolastica.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842_item1/P101.html
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s not all!
>>
>> I have found at least 6 children belonging to Jacinto & Escolastica from
>> 1856 to 1873.  The first 5 children’s baptismal records indicate their
>> maternal grandparents as ‘incognito’ due to the mother being ‘exposta’.
>> However, their 6th child born in 1873 names the maternal grandparents as
>> Elias do Rego & Maria Jacinta. I wonder if they married at some point and
>> should I look for a marriage record? But when and where? Here’s the link to
>> that record:
>>
>>
>>
>> RIGHT-BOTTOM, Maria- continued on the next page.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874_item1/P320.html
>>
>> The name of the father and paternal grandparents are the same as in the
>> records of the other children.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I apologize for this long reply.  I try to keep them short and to the
>> point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:01 PM Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joseph, if you're looking for the marriage record for the Jacinto of
>>> this birth record, you will find it here, left side.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860_item1/P12.html
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 *This is the only Jacinto da Costa and Maria I have in my data from
 Estrela. The marriages I have cover the years 1771 to Jun 1839.*



 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel-Baptism record help

[Margaret Vicente]

Joseph, you're welcome.

Starting with the bottom link and the 'supposed' grandparents of Maria.
There indeed is a couple by the name of Elias do Rego and Maria Jacinta but
their marriage date is in 1818 while Escolastica was born/exposta in 1837.
Why they are mentioned as grandparents is interesting.

When legitimization occurred the birth record would be annotated to that
effect.  There are no legitimization notes in Escolastica's baptismal
record.

Here is the link for Elias do Rego marriage to Maria Jacinta, right side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831_item1/P119.html

Their first child, Ana-bottom left

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1815-1821/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1815-1821_item1/P102.html






On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 8:02 PM Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Thank you Richard.  The ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’ that I
> have found *are in different generations*.  I haven’t found their
> marriage records, but they are named in the baptismal records of their
> children and grandchildren.
>
> Here are the records which mention them:
>
>
>
> 1. LEFT PAGE, Maria.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864_item1/P334.html
>
>
>
> 2.RIGHT-TOP, Jacinto.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831_item1/P21.html
>
>
>
> 3. RIGHT-BOTTOM, Anna.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801_item1/P7.html
>
>
>
> It is possible that the ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’
> mentioned in records #2 and #3 may be the same couple and I’ve yet to rule
> that in or out.
>
>
>
> Thank you, Margaret.  I had found that marriage record and it indicates
> that the bride “Escolastica” was an exposta and baptized in Conceicao,
> Ribeira Grande.  I found her husband’s baptismal (b. 28 May 1828) record
> which is #2 above and the one that started this thread.
>
>
>
> I am interested in anyone’s opinion regarding ‘Escolastica’ regarding the
> following information I’ve found thus far.  I searched for Escolastica’s
> baptismal record in Conceicao from 1821 to 1837 and only found one child
> with that name baptized on 2 Nov 1837.  And that child was an ‘exposta’.
> If this is her than it makes her 15 years and 7 months old at the time of
> the marriage to Jacinto.
>
> Now, my question is: should I continue to look back further to rule out
> the possibility of another considerably older ‘Escolastica’ who also
> happened to be exposta AND should I continue to look further forward for
> another considerably younger ‘Escolastica’ who also happened to be
> exposta.  I have seen it, but how much younger could she be?  My gut
> feeling is that this is her, but should I be a little more thorough?
>
> Here is the record:
>
> LEFT-TOP, Escolastica.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842_item1/P101.html
>
>
>
> That’s not all!
>
> I have found at least 6 children belonging to Jacinto & Escolastica from
> 1856 to 1873.  The first 5 children’s baptismal records indicate their
> maternal grandparents as ‘incognito’ due to the mother being ‘exposta’.
> However, their 6th child born in 1873 names the maternal grandparents as
> Elias do Rego & Maria Jacinta. I wonder if they married at some point and
> should I look for a marriage record? But when and where? Here’s the link to
> that record:
>
>
>
> RIGHT-BOTTOM, Maria- continued on the next page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874_item1/P320.html
>
> The name of the father and paternal grandparents are the same as in the
> records of the other children.
>
>
>
>
>
> I apologize for this long reply.  I try to keep them short and to the
> point.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:01 PM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Joseph, if you're looking for the marriage record for the Jacinto of this
>> birth record, you will find it here, left side.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860_item1/P12.html
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *This is the only Jacinto da Costa and Maria I have in my data from
>>> Estrela. The marriages I have cover the years 1771 to Jun 1839.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828_item1/P47.html
>>> 
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>
>>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel-Baptism record help

[Cheri Mello]

Rats, so much for that idea.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 6:24 PM Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Estrela is the Matriz.
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 9:00 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Which one is the Matriz? Conceicao or Estrella? More expostos are at the
>> Matriz.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 5:02 PM Joseph Mendonca 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Richard.  The ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’ that
>>> I have found *are in different generations*.  I haven’t found their
>>> marriage records, but they are named in the baptismal records of their
>>> children and grandchildren.
>>>
>>> Here are the records which mention them:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. LEFT PAGE, Maria.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864_item1/P334.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.RIGHT-TOP, Jacinto.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831_item1/P21.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. RIGHT-BOTTOM, Anna.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801_item1/P7.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is possible that the ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’
>>> mentioned in records #2 and #3 may be the same couple and I’ve yet to rule
>>> that in or out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you, Margaret.  I had found that marriage record and it indicates
>>> that the bride “Escolastica” was an exposta and baptized in Conceicao,
>>> Ribeira Grande.  I found her husband’s baptismal (b. 28 May 1828) record
>>> which is #2 above and the one that started this thread.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am interested in anyone’s opinion regarding ‘Escolastica’ regarding
>>> the following information I’ve found thus far.  I searched for
>>> Escolastica’s baptismal record in Conceicao from 1821 to 1837 and only
>>> found one child with that name baptized on 2 Nov 1837.  And that child was
>>> an ‘exposta’.  If this is her than it makes her 15 years and 7 months old
>>> at the time of the marriage to Jacinto.
>>>
>>> Now, my question is: should I continue to look back further to rule out
>>> the possibility of another considerably older ‘Escolastica’ who also
>>> happened to be exposta AND should I continue to look further forward for
>>> another considerably younger ‘Escolastica’ who also happened to be
>>> exposta.  I have seen it, but how much younger could she be?  My gut
>>> feeling is that this is her, but should I be a little more thorough?
>>>
>>> Here is the record:
>>>
>>> LEFT-TOP, Escolastica.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842_item1/P101.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That’s not all!
>>>
>>> I have found at least 6 children belonging to Jacinto & Escolastica from
>>> 1856 to 1873.  The first 5 children’s baptismal records indicate their
>>> maternal grandparents as ‘incognito’ due to the mother being ‘exposta’.
>>> However, their 6th child born in 1873 names the maternal grandparents
>>> as Elias do Rego & Maria Jacinta. I wonder if they married at some point
>>> and should I look for a marriage record? But when and where? Here’s the
>>> link to that record:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> RIGHT-BOTTOM, Maria- continued on the next page.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874_item1/P320.html
>>>
>>> The name of the father and paternal grandparents are the same as in the
>>> records of the other children.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I apologize for this long reply.  I try to keep them short and to the
>>> point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:01 PM Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Joseph, if you're looking for the marriage record for the Jacinto of
 this birth record, you will find it here, left side.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860_item1/P12.html

 Margaret

 On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
 richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *This is the only Jacinto da Costa and Maria I have in my data from
> Estrela. The marriages I have cover the years 1771 to Jun 1839.*
>
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828_item1/P47.html
> 
> *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel-Baptism record help

[Joseph Mendonca]

Estrela is the Matriz.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 9:00 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Which one is the Matriz? Conceicao or Estrella? More expostos are at the
> Matriz.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 5:02 PM Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Richard.  The ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’ that
>> I have found *are in different generations*.  I haven’t found their
>> marriage records, but they are named in the baptismal records of their
>> children and grandchildren.
>>
>> Here are the records which mention them:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. LEFT PAGE, Maria.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864_item1/P334.html
>>
>>
>>
>> 2.RIGHT-TOP, Jacinto.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831_item1/P21.html
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. RIGHT-BOTTOM, Anna.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801_item1/P7.html
>>
>>
>>
>> It is possible that the ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’
>> mentioned in records #2 and #3 may be the same couple and I’ve yet to rule
>> that in or out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you, Margaret.  I had found that marriage record and it indicates
>> that the bride “Escolastica” was an exposta and baptized in Conceicao,
>> Ribeira Grande.  I found her husband’s baptismal (b. 28 May 1828) record
>> which is #2 above and the one that started this thread.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am interested in anyone’s opinion regarding ‘Escolastica’ regarding the
>> following information I’ve found thus far.  I searched for Escolastica’s
>> baptismal record in Conceicao from 1821 to 1837 and only found one child
>> with that name baptized on 2 Nov 1837.  And that child was an ‘exposta’.
>> If this is her than it makes her 15 years and 7 months old at the time of
>> the marriage to Jacinto.
>>
>> Now, my question is: should I continue to look back further to rule out
>> the possibility of another considerably older ‘Escolastica’ who also
>> happened to be exposta AND should I continue to look further forward for
>> another considerably younger ‘Escolastica’ who also happened to be
>> exposta.  I have seen it, but how much younger could she be?  My gut
>> feeling is that this is her, but should I be a little more thorough?
>>
>> Here is the record:
>>
>> LEFT-TOP, Escolastica.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842_item1/P101.html
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s not all!
>>
>> I have found at least 6 children belonging to Jacinto & Escolastica from
>> 1856 to 1873.  The first 5 children’s baptismal records indicate their
>> maternal grandparents as ‘incognito’ due to the mother being ‘exposta’.
>> However, their 6th child born in 1873 names the maternal grandparents as
>> Elias do Rego & Maria Jacinta. I wonder if they married at some point and
>> should I look for a marriage record? But when and where? Here’s the link to
>> that record:
>>
>>
>>
>> RIGHT-BOTTOM, Maria- continued on the next page.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874_item1/P320.html
>>
>> The name of the father and paternal grandparents are the same as in the
>> records of the other children.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I apologize for this long reply.  I try to keep them short and to the
>> point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:01 PM Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joseph, if you're looking for the marriage record for the Jacinto of
>>> this birth record, you will find it here, left side.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860_item1/P12.html
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 *This is the only Jacinto da Costa and Maria I have in my data from
 Estrela. The marriages I have cover the years 1771 to Jun 1839.*



 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828_item1/P47.html
 
 *



 *Rick*

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*



 *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
 Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*









 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Rosemarie Capodicci
 *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 4:33 PM
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 

Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Big Problems with Altares line which keepschanging names

['Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Doreen,
I found to, and I have a lot informatins about their parents. I send you 
another day, because my bdd is on another computer forbidden of internet (hi 
hi).
But, I search more about Francisco Correa Romeiro e Maria Augusta.On the batism 
of Maria, her maternal grandparents are Francisco Coelho Pinheiro and Gertrudes 
Candidad do Coraçao de Jesus. I have a Francisco Gonçalves Pinheiro and 
Gertrudes Candida married in Altares on 14 june 1835 ((img 36). This Francisco 
have a Nicolau Borges Coelho (3th grand father). Perhaps, he is the father of 
Maria Augusta.
Paternal grandparents of Maria are Silvestre Correa Roeiro and Francisca de 
Jesus. Their marriage is in Altares on é& junes 1845 (img 17); The parents of 
Francisca de Jesus are José NUNES do COUTO (like Francisco sometimes). 
Silvester is widow of Maria Vicência, and i Don't found this marriage. Maria 
Vicencia died on11 march 1845, with 23 years old. Then she married a littel 
time before 1845.I searched a Silvestre in Altares, name no frequent. And in my 
bdd I have a Silvestre born in Altares, on 31 december 1809 (img 114). His 
parents are Filipe Romeiro and Maria de Jesus. And his paternam grandparents 
are José CORREIA ROMEIRO and Maria Josefa. Then, this Silvestre is probably our 
Silvestre CORREIA ROMEIRO.All of them I have ascendents until the 6th or 9th 
generation.


Philippe Garnier Paris - France Familias da ilha Terceira


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Great. I have continued to research these lines.

I found the marriage record for Antonio Coelho Berbereia’s parents, Jose Coelho 
de Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1860-1869/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1860-1869_item1/P29.html

  

Do not have Isabel de Jesus’s baptism record but her parents are Antonio 
Ferreira Coelho and Antonia Narcisa and here’s the link to their marriage record

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1831-1843/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1831-1843_item1/P41.html

  

I also have the marriage records for their parents but will post tomorrow. I 
need to get off the computer right now.

  

  

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

  

From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:26 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Big Problems with Altares line which 
keepschanging names

  

Dear Dorreen,

  

It's interesting. I have not this one on my bdd. I'll do research and see if I 
can answer.

  

Abraços

  

Philippe Garnier 

Paris - France 

  

Em domingo, 23 de setembro de 2018 19:19:57 GMT+2, doreencaet...@gmail.com 
 escreveu: 

  

  

Well where to begin…I’m trying to help a DNA cousin develop their tree.  Their 
lineage goes through Antonio Coelho Berbereia and Maria do Espirito Santo.  
Here’s is the link to their marriage record

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899_item1/P26.html

In this document it says his parents are Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel de 
Jesus and her parents are Francisco Correia Romeiro and Maria Augusta. I can 
not find the marriage of these two couples. 

I have found the baptism of Maria do Espirito Santo, on the bottom of right 
side of the page on this link

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879_item1/P134.html

 

Here’s the really big problem: the birth of their first child, Maria, shows the 
grandparents to be parental Jose Coelho de Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus and 
maternal Francisco Nunes and Amelia Augusta.  

[AZORES-Genealogy] Ten Reasons Why You May Be Disappointed With Your DNA Results

[Cheri Mello]

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She has a blog where she shares a variety of research articles - some are
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Today, she blogged about some reasons people may be disappointed with their
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel-Baptism record help

[Cheri Mello]

Which one is the Matriz? Conceicao or Estrella? More expostos are at the
Matriz.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 5:02 PM Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Thank you Richard.  The ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’ that I
> have found *are in different generations*.  I haven’t found their
> marriage records, but they are named in the baptismal records of their
> children and grandchildren.
>
> Here are the records which mention them:
>
>
>
> 1. LEFT PAGE, Maria.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864_item1/P334.html
>
>
>
> 2.RIGHT-TOP, Jacinto.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831_item1/P21.html
>
>
>
> 3. RIGHT-BOTTOM, Anna.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801_item1/P7.html
>
>
>
> It is possible that the ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’
> mentioned in records #2 and #3 may be the same couple and I’ve yet to rule
> that in or out.
>
>
>
> Thank you, Margaret.  I had found that marriage record and it indicates
> that the bride “Escolastica” was an exposta and baptized in Conceicao,
> Ribeira Grande.  I found her husband’s baptismal (b. 28 May 1828) record
> which is #2 above and the one that started this thread.
>
>
>
> I am interested in anyone’s opinion regarding ‘Escolastica’ regarding the
> following information I’ve found thus far.  I searched for Escolastica’s
> baptismal record in Conceicao from 1821 to 1837 and only found one child
> with that name baptized on 2 Nov 1837.  And that child was an ‘exposta’.
> If this is her than it makes her 15 years and 7 months old at the time of
> the marriage to Jacinto.
>
> Now, my question is: should I continue to look back further to rule out
> the possibility of another considerably older ‘Escolastica’ who also
> happened to be exposta AND should I continue to look further forward for
> another considerably younger ‘Escolastica’ who also happened to be
> exposta.  I have seen it, but how much younger could she be?  My gut
> feeling is that this is her, but should I be a little more thorough?
>
> Here is the record:
>
> LEFT-TOP, Escolastica.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842_item1/P101.html
>
>
>
> That’s not all!
>
> I have found at least 6 children belonging to Jacinto & Escolastica from
> 1856 to 1873.  The first 5 children’s baptismal records indicate their
> maternal grandparents as ‘incognito’ due to the mother being ‘exposta’.
> However, their 6th child born in 1873 names the maternal grandparents as
> Elias do Rego & Maria Jacinta. I wonder if they married at some point and
> should I look for a marriage record? But when and where? Here’s the link to
> that record:
>
>
>
> RIGHT-BOTTOM, Maria- continued on the next page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874_item1/P320.html
>
> The name of the father and paternal grandparents are the same as in the
> records of the other children.
>
>
>
>
>
> I apologize for this long reply.  I try to keep them short and to the
> point.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:01 PM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Joseph, if you're looking for the marriage record for the Jacinto of this
>> birth record, you will find it here, left side.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860_item1/P12.html
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *This is the only Jacinto da Costa and Maria I have in my data from
>>> Estrela. The marriages I have cover the years 1771 to Jun 1839.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828_item1/P47.html
>>> 
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>
>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Rosemarie Capodicci
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 4:33 PM
>>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel-Baptism
>>> record help
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is going to be difficult, Joseph. You will need to follow all the
>>> children of each couple and try to see if they start using an alcunha 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel-Baptism record help

[Joseph Mendonca]

Thank you Richard.  The ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’ that I
have found *are in different generations*.  I haven’t found their marriage
records, but they are named in the baptismal records of their children and
grandchildren.

Here are the records which mention them:



1. LEFT PAGE, Maria.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1860-1864_item1/P334.html



2.RIGHT-TOP, Jacinto.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1828-1831_item1/P21.html



3. RIGHT-BOTTOM, Anna.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1796-1801_item1/P7.html



It is possible that the ‘Jose da Costa Canejo & Maria da Conceição’
mentioned in records #2 and #3 may be the same couple and I’ve yet to rule
that in or out.



Thank you, Margaret.  I had found that marriage record and it indicates
that the bride “Escolastica” was an exposta and baptized in Conceicao,
Ribeira Grande.  I found her husband’s baptismal (b. 28 May 1828) record
which is #2 above and the one that started this thread.



I am interested in anyone’s opinion regarding ‘Escolastica’ regarding the
following information I’ve found thus far.  I searched for Escolastica’s
baptismal record in Conceicao from 1821 to 1837 and only found one child
with that name baptized on 2 Nov 1837.  And that child was an ‘exposta’.
If this is her than it makes her 15 years and 7 months old at the time of
the marriage to Jacinto.

Now, my question is: should I continue to look back further to rule out the
possibility of another considerably older ‘Escolastica’ who also happened
to be exposta AND should I continue to look further forward for another
considerably younger ‘Escolastica’ who also happened to be exposta.  I have
seen it, but how much younger could she be?  My gut feeling is that this is
her, but should I be a little more thorough?

Here is the record:

LEFT-TOP, Escolastica.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1834-1842_item1/P101.html



That’s not all!

I have found at least 6 children belonging to Jacinto & Escolastica from
1856 to 1873.  The first 5 children’s baptismal records indicate their
maternal grandparents as ‘incognito’ due to the mother being ‘exposta’.
However, their 6th child born in 1873 names the maternal grandparents as
Elias do Rego & Maria Jacinta. I wonder if they married at some point and
should I look for a marriage record? But when and where? Here’s the link to
that record:



RIGHT-BOTTOM, Maria- continued on the next page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1870-1874_item1/P320.html

The name of the father and paternal grandparents are the same as in the
records of the other children.





I apologize for this long reply.  I try to keep them short and to the point.



Thanks.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:01 PM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Joseph, if you're looking for the marriage record for the Jacinto of this
> birth record, you will find it here, left side.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1853-1860_item1/P12.html
>
> Margaret
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *This is the only Jacinto da Costa and Maria I have in my data from
>> Estrela. The marriages I have cover the years 1771 to Jun 1839.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1812-1828_item1/P47.html
>> 
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Rosemarie Capodicci
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 4:33 PM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel-Baptism
>> record help
>>
>>
>>
>> That is going to be difficult, Joseph. You will need to follow all the
>> children of each couple and try to see if they start using an alcunha to
>> tell them apart!
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 1:00 PM Joseph Mendonca 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Rosemarie.  I agree on the "da Conceicao".  I have so
>> far found two other married couples in Ribeira Grande with the same names
>> of Jacinto da Costa Canejo and Maria da Conceicao.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:39 PM 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Big Problems with Altares line which keepschanging names

[doreencaetano]

Great. I have continued to research these lines.
I found the marriage record for Antonio Coelho Berbereia’s parents, Jose Coelho 
de Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1860-1869/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1860-1869_item1/P29.html

Do not have Isabel de Jesus’s baptism record but her parents are Antonio 
Ferreira Coelho and Antonia Narcisa and here’s the link to their marriage record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1831-1843/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1831-1843_item1/P41.html

I also have the marriage records for their parents but will post tomorrow. I 
need to get off the computer right now.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:26 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Big Problems with Altares line which 
keepschanging names

Dear Dorreen,

It's interesting. I have not this one on my bdd. I'll do research and see if I 
can answer.

Abraços

Philippe Garnier 
Paris - France 

Em domingo, 23 de setembro de 2018 19:19:57 GMT+2, doreencaet...@gmail.com 
 escreveu: 


Well where to begin…I’m trying to help a DNA cousin develop their tree.  Their 
lineage goes through Antonio Coelho Berbereia and Maria do Espirito Santo.  
Here’s is the link to their marriage record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899_item1/P26.html
In this document it says his parents are Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel de 
Jesus and her parents are Francisco Correia Romeiro and Maria Augusta. I can 
not find the marriage of these two couples. 
I have found the baptism of Maria do Espirito Santo, on the bottom of right 
side of the page on this link
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879_item1/P134.html
 
Here’s the really big problem: the birth of their first child, Maria, shows the 
grandparents to be parental Jose Coelho de Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus and 
maternal Francisco Nunes and Amelia Augusta.  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P71.html
Second child Jesuina’s record lists grandparents as paternal Jose Correia de 
Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P102.html
and so does the third child Esperanca’s record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P145.html
as well as the 4th and 5th children who are twins Francisco and Amelia’s 
records. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P183.html
 
Then there is a change: for the 6th child Paulina’s record says her paternal 
grandparents are Jose Coelho Berbereia and Isabel de Jesus and her maternal 
grandparents are Francisco Nunes do Coito and Maria Augusta. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P31.html
Now the adding of the “do Coito” to Francisco Nunes seem likely since I saw 
that surname on Amelia’s baptism as her godfather Manuel Nunes do Coito. Also I 
have been trying to track the Jose Coelho Berbereia for year now who seems to 
change his name to Jose Coelho de Melo and Jose Coelho de Melo Machado. This is 
very confusing because I believe this Jose is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo 
and Isabel de Jesus, which is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel de 
Jesus, which is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel da Conceicao who also 
uses Isabel de Jesus( my 2nd Great Grandparents, who is the son of Francisco 
Jose Berbereia and Joana Antonia. 
This change in their name continues through the rest of their children:
Paulina #2,
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P69.html
Joao,
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P95.html
Joao Baptista,
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P116.html
Isabel 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P140.html
and Alexandrina
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P198.html
 
Questions:
DO YOU THINK THAT THE MARRIAGE RECORD HAS THE MISTAKE? OR IS THERE ANOTHER 
REASON WHY THE BRIDE’S PARENTS ARE NOT THE MATERNAL GRANDPARENTS? hOW COMMON IS 
IT TO HAVE A PERSON’S NAME CHANGE SO MANY TIMES (I’m speaking of Jose Coelho 
(Correia) de Melo aka Jose Coelho de Melo Machado aka Jose Coelho Berbereia)
And is it just my luck or DO YOU THINK IT IS NOT LIKELY 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Difficulty finding marriage records: SANTO ANTÓNIO além Capelas freguesia on São Miguel, and LAGOA

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

24 Mai.1775    FRANCISCO DE VIVEIROS REGO,filho de João de Viveiros Velho e de 
Isabel Antónia de Viveiros, freg.sde Santo António, c. c. JOANA MARIA 
DEMEDEIROS, filha de Tomé Álvares de Melo e de Bárbara de Medeiros, freg.sda 
paroquial de Santo António.

    Test.as:P.e Sebastião Manuel de Melo e P.e ManuelInácio 
Pacheco, tes.º, m.res em Santo António.

    Assentop.º Vig.º Francisco da Ponte Tavares.
Good luck!
John Miranda Raposo


On Tuesday, September 25, 2018, 11:53:56 AM EDT, Lisa S 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello,
I have really been having some difficulty in finding some marriage records in 
the Santo António além Capelas freguesia on the island of São Miguel, and also 
the Lagoa area.  From what I have seen so far in the Santo António freguesia, 
the priest(s) was/were not always consistent with the names they used to 
document the parishoners.  I don't know if this means that in fact the 
parishoners had long names, and that when they stated them to the priest, the 
priest only wrote down some of them, or if the parishoners sometimes just gave 
the priest portions of their names.
The road blocks that I have hit in getting this section of my tree higher:
1.  I cannot find the marriage record for the parents of Francisco de Medeiros 
Maura.  In the birth records of some of Francisco's children I have seen his 
name documented sometimes as Francisco de Medeiros Maura, and sometimes 
Francisco de Medeiros Pimentel.  The names of his parents (the grandparents) 
have stayed constant in those records that I have found, and their names are 
António de Medeiros Maura and Joanna Maria, António is a natural of Santo 
António and Joanna Maria is a natural of Lagoa (Nossa Senhora do Rosario), but 
I have not been able to find their marriage record.  I have checked Santo 
António, but have not found it there.  I have also checked Nossa Senhora do 
Rosario, Lagoa, but did not find it there either.  It's possible that I could 
have missed it, or that Joanna Maria's parents moved to a different freguesia 
after her birth, and that they were then married in that new freguesia.  
The obituary for Joanna Maria 30 September 1830 - 70 years old more or 
lesshttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860_item1/P4.html

The obituary for António de Medeiros Maura29 September 1831 - 80 years old more 
or 
lesshttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860_item1/P45.html

I believe their son Francisco was born 1 August 1789, so their marriage would 
have happened before that date.  I found 2 siblings born AFTER that date in 
Santo António:  João in 1793, and Margarida in 1794, but no one before 1789, so 
perhaps his parents lived in a different freguesia before moving to Santo 
António?
2. I am also having difficulty finding the marriage record for Francisco de 
Viveiros do Rego and Joanna de Medeiros.  They are both naturals of the Santo 
António além Capelas freguesia, so I believe the marriage should have taken 
place there.  I estimate the marriage to have taken place around the year 1767.
I have seen the name of Francisco de Viveiros do Rego documented sometimes as 
Francisco de Viveiros, and sometimes as Francisco de Medeiros do Rego, I am not 
sure if this was a mistake or not since his wife Joanna has the surname de 
Medeiros.He was born 9 February 1748.
Joanna de Medeiros was born 20 January 1749.

Is anyone else researching these two families, or does someone happen to have 
an index with this information in it?  I would be very appreciative of any 
help.Thank you very much and kind regards,Lisa








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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Big Problems with Altares line which keeps changing names

['Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy]

Dear Dorreen,
It's interesting. I have not this one on my bdd. I'll do research and see if I 
can answer.
Abraços
Philippe Garnier Paris - France 
Em domingo, 23 de setembro de 2018 19:19:57 GMT+2, doreencaet...@gmail.com 
 escreveu:  
 
 
Well where to begin…I’m trying to help a DNA cousin develop their tree.  Their 
lineage goes through Antonio Coelho Berbereia and Maria do Espirito Santo.  
Here’s is the link to their marriage record

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899_item1/P26.html

In this document it says his parents are Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel de 
Jesus and her parents are Francisco Correia Romeiro and Maria Augusta. I can 
not find the marriage of these two couples. 

I have found the baptism of Maria do Espirito Santo, on the bottom of right 
side of the page on this link

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879_item1/P134.html

  

Here’s the really big problem: the birth of their first child, Maria, shows the 
grandparents to be parental Jose Coelho de Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus and 
maternal Francisco Nunes and Amelia Augusta.  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P71.html

Second child Jesuina’s record lists grandparents as paternal Jose Correia de 
Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P102.html

and so does the third child Esperanca’s record

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P145.html

as well as the 4th and 5th children who are twins Francisco and Amelia’s 
records. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P183.html

  

Then there is a change: for the 6th child Paulina’s record says her paternal 
grandparents are Jose Coelho Berbereia and Isabel de Jesus and her maternal 
grandparents are Francisco Nunes do Coito and Maria Augusta. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P31.html

Now the adding of the “do Coito” to Francisco Nunes seem likely since I saw 
that surname on Amelia’s baptism as her godfather Manuel Nunes do Coito. Also I 
have been trying to track the Jose Coelho Berbereia for year now who seems to 
change his name to Jose Coelho de Melo and Jose Coelho de Melo Machado. This is 
very confusing because I believe this Jose is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo 
and Isabel de Jesus, which is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel de 
Jesus, which is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel da Conceicao who also 
uses Isabel de Jesus( my 2nd Great Grandparents, who is the son of Francisco 
Jose Berbereia and Joana Antonia. 

This change in their name continues through the rest of their children:

Paulina #2,

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P69.html

Joao,

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P95.html

Joao Baptista,

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P116.html

Isabel 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P140.html

and Alexandrina

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P198.html

  

Questions:

DO YOU THINK THAT THE MARRIAGE RECORD HAS THE MISTAKE? OR IS THERE ANOTHER 
REASON WHY THE BRIDE’S PARENTS ARE NOT THE MATERNAL GRANDPARENTS? hOW COMMON IS 
IT TO HAVE A PERSON’S NAME CHANGE SO MANY TIMES (I’m speaking of Jose Coelho 
(Correia) de Melo aka Jose Coelho de Melo Machado aka Jose Coelho Berbereia)

And is it just my luck or DO YOU THINK IT IS NOT LIKELY THAT ALL THESE JOSE 
COELHO DE MELO(S) ALL MARRIED ISABEL DE JESUS(S)?

ANY FEEDBACK/DIRECTION/ADVISE/ETC WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. 

Thanks, Doreen Caetano

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help back of chapel photo Lajes do Pico

[Turlu]

segunda-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2018 às 18:50:15 UTC, Sandra Valine Dauer 
escreveu:
>
> Need help with translation for writing on the back of the photo of little 
> chapel S Pedro, Lajes do Pico.
> Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
>

Google translation:
Our dear little church of St. Peter who has such grateful memories for us.

Cumprimentos,

Miguel Santos 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Difficulty finding marriage records: SANTO ANTÓNIO além Capelas freguesia on São Miguel, and LAGOA

[Lisa S]

Hello,

I have really been having some difficulty in finding some marriage records 
in the Santo António além Capelas freguesia on the island of São Miguel, 
and also the Lagoa area.  From what I have seen so far in the Santo António 
freguesia, the priest(s) was/were not always consistent with the names they 
used to document the parishoners.  I don't know if this means that in fact 
the parishoners had long names, and that when they stated them to the 
priest, the priest only wrote down some of them, or if the parishoners 
sometimes just gave the priest portions of their names.

The road blocks that I have hit in getting this section of my tree higher:

*1.  *
I cannot find the marriage record for the parents of Francisco de Medeiros 
Maura.  In the birth records of some of Francisco's children I have seen 
his name documented sometimes as *Francisco de Medeiros Maura*, and 
sometimes *Francisco de Medeiros Pimentel*.  The names of his parents (the 
grandparents) have stayed constant in those records that I have found, and 
their names are *António de Medeiros Maura* and *Joanna Maria*, *António is 
a natural of Santo António and Joanna Maria is a natural of Lagoa (Nossa 
Senhora do Rosario),* but I have not been able to find their marriage 
record.  I have checked Santo António, but have not found it there.  I have 
also checked Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lagoa, but did not find it there 
either.  It's possible that I could have missed it, or that Joanna Maria's 
parents moved to a different freguesia after her birth, and that they were 
then married in that new freguesia.  

The obituary for Joanna Maria 
30 September 1830 - 70 years old more or less
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860_item1/P4.html

The obituary for António de Medeiros Maura
29 September 1831 - 80 years old more or less
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860_item1/P45.html

I believe their son Francisco was born 1 August 1789, so their marriage 
would have happened before that date.  I found 2 siblings born AFTER that 
date in Santo António:  João in 1793, and Margarida in 1794, but no one 
before 1789, so perhaps his parents lived in a different freguesia before 
moving to Santo António?

2. 
I am also having difficulty finding the marriage record for *Francisco de 
Viveiros do Rego* and *Joanna de Medeiros*.  They are both naturals of the 
Santo António além Capelas freguesia, so I believe the marriage should have 
taken place there.  I estimate the marriage to have taken place around the 
year 1767.

I have seen the name of Francisco de Viveiros do Rego documented sometimes 
as Francisco de Viveiros, and sometimes as Francisco de Medeiros do Rego, I 
am not sure if this was a mistake or not since his wife Joanna has the 
surname de Medeiros.
He was born 9 February 1748.

Joanna de Medeiros was born 20 January 1749.


Is anyone else researching these two families, or does someone happen to 
have an index with this information in it?  I would be very appreciative of 
any help.
Thank you very much and kind regards,
Lisa







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