[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Assistance with Maria do Sacramento MATEUS

[JR]

I left a reply with your first message. Now that it is clearer, the name 
appears to be Maria do Sacramento, costureira (seamstress), not Livramento 
as I first thought. Richard has the rest. But keep an eye out for 
Livramento in case you can't find Antao Camara with a Maria Sacramento in 
Bretanha. 

JR

On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 7:36:24 PM UTC-4, Luis Arruda wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P257.html
> Right side of page - No. 42 ( Scotch tape visible)
>
> I am having difficulty with the following baptismal record. Was Maria born 
> on the 9th of May 1886 or baptised on that day. I believe her parents are 
> Antao da Camara and Maria do Sacramento ( is is Sacramento or Livramento?).
> Can anyone identify her grandparents? 
> Any help with names would be greatly appreciated.
> This woman is my paternal grandmother, whom we believe died in 1924 or 25.
> Thanks everyone
> Luis Arruda
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Antonio Gomes & Maria Delphina Brasil of Topo Sao Jorge

[JR]

Record no- 3, casamentos, Feb 6- 1875
Matriz de NS do Rozario, Villa do Topo, Concelho de Calheta, Ilha de Sao 
Jorge

Newlyweds, Jose Antonio Gomes and Maria Delfina Brasil; He is thirty three 
years old, proprietario (property owner), single, legitimate son of Joao 
Antonio Gomes and Barbara Joaquina natives of Sao Tiago de Ribeira Seca of 
this island, where groom was baptised; she is 20 years old, single, 
legitimate daughter of Antonio de Sousa Brasil and Izabel do Rozario 
natives of this freguesia where bride was baptised and both reside. 

On Cathy Cardoza site there is index of Sao Jorge marriages.

JR

On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 7:36:17 PM UTC-4, DONNA DUTRA WOOD wrote:
>
> I have finally found the marriage record (attached) for my 2nd Great 
> Grandparents on the Sao Jorge site but need help with translating the info 
> please.
> Let's see if I have this basic information correct...
> His name is Jose Antonio Gomes, son of Joao Antonio Gomes & Barbara ? 
> who married Maria Delphina Brasil on 2/6/1875 who is the 
> daughter of Antonio de Souza Brasil and Isabel de __?  Rodrigues 
> maybe???
>  
> I believe Jose was born in April 1842 but I have so little information on 
> them other than they immigrated sometime between 1895 and 1897 and settled 
> in Portsmouth, Newport County, Rhode Island.
>  
> They had 9 children with 8 born in Sao Jorge -
> John Antone Gomes - 3/10/1877
> James Souza Gomes - 12/18/1880
> James Souza Gomes, Jr. - 03/14/1881
> Antone Souza Gomes (my great Grandfather) - 03/21/1882
> William Souza Gomes - 11/18/1888
> Gregory Gomes - 12/16/1889 or 12/21/1890 (conflicting dates)
> Joaquin Gomes - 01/08/1895
> Mary Gomes - ???
> Enos "Amos" Gomes was born in Portsmouth, RI on 6/16/1897.  
>  
> I don't read Portuguese so if there is any other helpful information  that 
> I could use to track down additional relatives I would appreciate the help.
>  
> Many thanks,
> Donna Dutra Wood
>  
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Sam,

I had to send the file to myself by email and then I could make a google
doc to save it.  I used my iPhone.  I could try sharing it with you and let
you save it to your computer.  Not sure whether you would need to open it
in excel or just save it as an excel file once you have it.

Debbie.
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com


On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 5:34 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I’m having trouble trying to download the file.  The download turns out to
> be a link to google and then nothing appears.  Can anyone tell me how to
> download the actual file?  I’m using a pc and windows 10.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 22, 2019 6:59 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students
>
>
>
> Everyone should take Cheri's advice and download this file to your own
> computer.
>
>
>
> Kathy
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> ~~~
>
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>
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>
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>
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> I would VERY QUICKLY download this to your computer and keep it somewhere
> before it disappears. The Azorean Government has been having a lot of talk
> about privacy, and this document violates it. Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> Kathy, thanks for putting it on your site, that way I can't forget how to
> access the site! LOL
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 4:45 PM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> There has been a new link added to the Azores GenWeb. It is a list of
> seminary students that attended seminary in Angra from 1862 until 2013. 
> Information
> includes the student name, their freguesia, their parents, the age they
> were admitted to the seminary, the date admitted, and any observations.
>
>
>
> The link is titled, "Alunos do Seminário Episcopal de Angra de 1862 – 2013
> 
> *” *and can be found on this page:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/general-info/links.html
>
>
>
>
>
> When you connect to the linked file, look at the bottom of the page and
> click on the middle tab, "Registo da BPARAH-2”, for the list of students.
> The students are not only from Terceira, but could be from any of the
> islands. The page is searchable by using Control+F for Windows, or
> Command+F for Macs.
>
>
>
> Kathy Cardoza
>
> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
>
> ~~~
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, Corvo

[dwoodtax via Azores Genealogy]

Lucas,I descend from the Francisco Dutra family in Cedros, Faial and also a 
descendant of Van Hurtere (Dutra or D'Utra) family.   I do not have the book 
you are looking for but please give me some additional information on your 
family and maybe we can connect.  Thanks,Donna Dutra Wood   -Original 
Message-
From: Cheri Mello 
To: Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Wed, Mar 20, 2019 10:22 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, 
Corvo

Repost for Lucas Dutra, dutra.astro at gmail.com
Hi everyone, I am Lucas and I am a descendant of Van Hurtere (Dutra or D'Utra) 
family and I would like to buy this book [Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, 
Pico, Flores, Corvo], or find in PDF if it is possible.
I'm trying to discover all my family's  ancestry

Does anyone knows how to find the book? Or, if someone here is from "Dutra 
family" contact me, I have a WhatsApp group for find our descendants

Thanks, I expect someone read this after all this time
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Maria do Sacramento MATEUS

[Alda Jorge]

Maria was born May 4, baptized May 9, 1886  parents Antao da Camara? from
Sao Sebastiao Ponta delgada
mother Maria do Sacramento Bretanha

Sorry best I can do..Eyes not co-operating today.  Hope somebody else can
help

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 7:36 PM Luis Arruda  wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P257.html
> Right side of page - No. 42 ( Scotch tape visible)
>
> I am having difficulty with the following baptismal record. Was Maria born
> on the 9th of May 1886 or baptised on that day. I believe her parents are
> Antao da Camara and Maria do Sacramento ( is is Sacramento or Livramento?).
> Can anyone identify her grandparents?
> Any help with names would be greatly appreciated.
> This woman is my paternal grandmother, whom we believe died in 1924 or 25.
> Thanks everyone
> Luis Arruda
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Francisco, I'm glad you're here sharing yuur experience with us!
I really think that there will be a day when English spokesmen will be able
to buy these books in an English version, people just need to know they
exist and the added value they bring to our portuguese Genealogy
researches.

A sexta, 22 de mar de 2019, 19:51, Genealogia sem segredos <
genealogiasemsegre...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Dear Angela;
>
> Thank you very much for your kind words.
>
> The subject of Names is much more complex than what is said in the
> abovementioned book. We made it a little bit too simple. We had to, because
> that was just a small part of the book.
>
> That is why me and Cristina we are writing down a second book, only on
> Names, Surnames, Nicknames, and so on. This second book is harder. We are
> working on it for more than 2 years…
>
> Unfortunately, I doubt that this new work, like the first one, will ever
> be published in other language aside from Portuguese. But we have to keep
> on trying.
>
> Francisco
>
>
>
> Francisco Queiroz
> ("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)
>
>
>
>
> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia sexta, 22/03/2019
> à(s) 01:03:
>
>> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
>> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
>> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
>> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
>> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
>> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
>> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
>> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
>> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
>> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
>> mesmo indivíduo.»
>> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
>> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
>> página 207.
>>
>> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
>> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>>
>> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
>> à(s) 14:36:
>>
>>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>>> still haven't figured out.
>>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to
>>> see if the authors refer anything about this.
>>>
>>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
 Hi all,

 In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
 Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
 thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
 other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
 Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why?
 Who know's?

 Enjoy the puzzle!
 Nancy Jean
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 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
 Leonor Bertoni 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
 *To:* Azores Genealogy
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

 Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
 first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
 João do Rego Nicolau.

 On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
 azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me
 nutso.  Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!



 Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



 *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
 *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)



 *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa.
 The bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot
 recall if I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *

 *Rick*



 *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 

 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

I’m having trouble trying to download the file.  The download turns out to be a 
link to google and then nothing appears.  Can anyone tell me how to download 
the actual file?  I’m using a pc and windows 10.

Thanks,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 6:59 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students

Everyone should take Cheri's advice and download this file to your own 
computer. 

Kathy 
Sent from my iPad
~~~
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   http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
~~~


On Mar 21, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
I would VERY QUICKLY download this to your computer and keep it somewhere 
before it disappears. The Azorean Government has been having a lot of talk 
about privacy, and this document violates it. Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
Kathy, thanks for putting it on your site, that way I can't forget how to 
access the site! LOL 

Rosemarie 
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 4:45 PM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
There has been a new link added to the Azores GenWeb. It is a list of seminary 
students that attended seminary in Angra from 1862 until 2013. Information 
includes the student name, their freguesia, their parents, the age they were 
admitted to the seminary, the date admitted, and any observations.

The link is titled, "Alunos do Seminário Episcopal de Angra de 1862 – 2013” and 
can be found on this page:  
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/general-info/links.html

 
When you connect to the linked file, look at the bottom of the page and click 
on the middle tab, "Registo da BPARAH-2”, for the list of students. The 
students are not only from Terceira, but could be from any of the islands. The 
page is searchable by using Control+F for Windows, or Command+F for Macs.

Kathy Cardoza
Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Maria do Sacramento MATEUS

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

The mother is Maria da Sacramento.

The paternal Grandparents are Unknown

The maternal Grandparents are Joao Matheus de Oliveira and Francisca de Jesus.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Luis Arruda
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 7:18 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Maria do Sacramento MATEUS

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P257.html

Right side of page - No. 42 ( Scotch tape visible)

 

I am having difficulty with the following baptismal record. Was Maria born on 
the 9th of May 1886 or baptised on that day. I believe her parents are Antao da 
Camara and Maria do Sacramento ( is is Sacramento or Livramento?).

Can anyone identify her grandparents? 

Any help with names would be greatly appreciated.

This woman is my paternal grandmother, whom we believe died in 1924 or 25.

Thanks everyone

Luis Arruda

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Maria do Sacramento MATEUS

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Luis;  7th line down;  Maria was born on the 4th of May 1886.  The date at the 
top is the baptism.
I think mom is Maria da Sacramento but; tough to say for sure.  I see the same 
as you do for the dad.
Paternal grandparents are:  Avos Incognito
Maternal grandparents are: Jose or Joaa Matteus Oliveira (really a guess but; 
that’s the best I can do) and Francisca de Jesus.

Best of luck,
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Luis Arruda
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 4:36 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Maria do Sacramento MATEUS

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P257.html
Right side of page - No. 42 ( Scotch tape visible)

I am having difficulty with the following baptismal record. Was Maria born on 
the 9th of May 1886 or baptised on that day. I believe her parents are Antao da 
Camara and Maria do Sacramento ( is is Sacramento or Livramento?).
Can anyone identify her grandparents? 
Any help with names would be greatly appreciated.
This woman is my paternal grandmother, whom we believe died in 1924 or 25.
Thanks everyone
Luis Arruda

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Official Alfaiate (Official Tailor)?

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Francisco,  That makes sense.  Thanks so much for bothering to educate me! 

Angela, thank you as well! 

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Genealogia sem segredos
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 4:36 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Official Alfaiate (Official Tailor)?

In several craft jobs (tailors, masons, wood carvers, etc) workers had 3 
categories: aprendiz (aprentice), oficial, and mestre (master). That's the 
explanation for "official de alfaiate": he was not an aprentice, nor a master 
yet.
Francisco Queiroz
("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)






'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia sexta, 22/03/2019 à(s) 17:53:
When the father is stated in a birth record as the Official Alfaiate, what does 
it really mean.  I know the translation but; who is he the Official Tailor to?  
The village, a specific person or what?
 
Thanks all,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with Maria do Sacramento MATEUS

[Luis Arruda]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P257.html
Right side of page - No. 42 ( Scotch tape visible)

I am having difficulty with the following baptismal record. Was Maria born 
on the 9th of May 1886 or baptised on that day. I believe her parents are 
Antao da Camara and Maria do Sacramento ( is is Sacramento or Livramento?).
Can anyone identify her grandparents? 
Any help with names would be greatly appreciated.
This woman is my paternal grandmother, whom we believe died in 1924 or 25.
Thanks everyone
Luis Arruda

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Official Alfaiate (Official Tailor)?

[Genealogia sem segredos]

In several craft jobs (tailors, masons, wood carvers, etc) workers had 3
categories: aprendiz (aprentice), oficial, and mestre (master). That's the
explanation for "official de alfaiate": he was not an aprentice, nor a
master yet.
Francisco Queiroz
("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)





'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
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> When the father is stated in a birth record as the Official Alfaiate, what
> does it really mean.  I know the translation but; who is he the Official
> Tailor to?  The village, a specific person or what?
>
>
>
> Thanks all,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Official Alfaiate (Official Tailor)?

[Ângela Loura]

I think oficial-alfaiate was the one who sow the pieces together, There was
also the meste-alfaiate, amd others.

Leonor Bertoni  escreveu no dia sexta, 22/03/2019
à(s) 18:02:

> I can't speak on your record but my mother was a seamstress and at 17 she
> was the seamstress the soldiers took their pants to me hemmed and pressed.
> I'm not sure she had the official title but that is what she was known for
> and it was her job. This was in the mid 1930's though. This is also how she
> met me dad :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 13:53, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> When the father is stated in a birth record as the Official Alfaiate,
>> what does it really mean.  I know the translation but; who is he the
>> Official Tailor to?  The village, a specific person or what?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Angela, thank for the information but would you please make your outgoing
mail font a little larger! Many of us have eye problems and having the font
soo small is very hard on the eyes!
Thanks so much,

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 12:50 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Some small changes:
>
> “A second name of devotion may be regarded as a last name if it came from
> previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
> subsequent generations. However, these second main/first names of devotion
> often were not last names and, especially in the case of women, were even
> the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical
> Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana do Rosário, would appear in her
> marriage like Maria do Sacramento and without any last name; in her death
> as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was already
> deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documental gaps, these
> changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. "
> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER YOUR ORIGINS -
> Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Esfera dos Livros , page 207.
>
>
> A sexta, 22 de mar de 2019, 03:18, JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> Angela, I had to get that translated.  :)
>>
>> “A second name of devotion may be regarded as a nickname if it came from
>> previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
>> subsequent generations. However, these second proper names of devotion
>> often were not nicknames and, especially in the case of women, were even
>> the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical
>> Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana of the Rosary, to be able to appear
>> in its marriage like Maria of the Sacrament and without any nickname; in
>> his death as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was
>> already deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documentary gaps,
>> these changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. "
>> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER THEIR ORIGINS -
>> Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Sphere of Books, page 207.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ângela Loura 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
>>> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
>>> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
>>> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
>>> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
>>> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
>>> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
>>> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
>>> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
>>> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
>>> mesmo indivíduo.»
>>> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
>>> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
>>> página 207.
>>>
>>> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
>>> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>>>
>>> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
>>> à(s) 14:36:
>>>
 I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
 changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
 added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
 Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
 didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
 (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
 religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
 previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
 still haven't figured out.
 I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to
 see if the authors refer anything about this.

 A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
 fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:

> Hi all,
>
> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
> thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
> other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took 
> Silva...why?
> Who know's?
>
> Enjoy the puzzle!
> Nancy Jean
> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Ângela Loura]

Some small changes:

“A second name of devotion may be regarded as a last name if it came from
previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
subsequent generations. However, these second main/first names of devotion
often were not last names and, especially in the case of women, were even
the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical
Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana do Rosário, would appear in her
marriage like Maria do Sacramento and without any last name; in her death
as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was already
deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documental gaps, these
changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. "
- QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER YOUR ORIGINS -
Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Esfera dos Livros , page 207.


A sexta, 22 de mar de 2019, 03:18, JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Angela, I had to get that translated.  :)
>
> “A second name of devotion may be regarded as a nickname if it came from
> previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
> subsequent generations. However, these second proper names of devotion
> often were not nicknames and, especially in the case of women, were even
> the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical
> Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana of the Rosary, to be able to appear
> in its marriage like Maria of the Sacrament and without any nickname; in
> his death as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was
> already deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documentary gaps,
> these changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. "
> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER THEIR ORIGINS -
> Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Sphere of Books, page 207.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
>> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
>> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
>> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
>> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
>> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
>> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
>> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
>> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
>> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
>> mesmo indivíduo.»
>> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
>> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
>> página 207.
>>
>> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
>> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>>
>> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
>> à(s) 14:36:
>>
>>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>>> still haven't figured out.
>>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to
>>> see if the authors refer anything about this.
>>>
>>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
 Hi all,

 In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
 Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
 thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
 other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
 Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why?
 Who know's?

 Enjoy the puzzle!
 Nancy Jean
 --
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 Leonor Bertoni 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
 *To:* Azores Genealogy
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

 Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
 first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
 João do Rego Nicolau.

 On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Genealogia sem segredos]

Dear Angela;

Thank you very much for your kind words.

The subject of Names is much more complex than what is said in the
abovementioned book. We made it a little bit too simple. We had to, because
that was just a small part of the book.

That is why me and Cristina we are writing down a second book, only on
Names, Surnames, Nicknames, and so on. This second book is harder. We are
working on it for more than 2 years…

Unfortunately, I doubt that this new work, like the first one, will ever be
published in other language aside from Portuguese. But we have to keep on
trying.

Francisco



Francisco Queiroz
("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)




Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia sexta, 22/03/2019 à(s)
01:03:

> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
> mesmo indivíduo.»
> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
> página 207.
>
> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>
> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
> à(s) 14:36:
>
>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>> still haven't figured out.
>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see
>> if the authors refer anything about this.
>>
>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
>>> thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
>>> other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why?
>>> Who know's?
>>>
>>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>>> Nancy Jean
>>> --
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>> Leonor Bertoni 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>
>>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
>>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
>>> João do Rego Nicolau.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.
>>> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
>>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa.
>>> The bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot
>>> recall if I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
>>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would
>>> marry and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk
>>> about making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk
>>> about a “kiss up”! LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m
>>> trying to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count
>>> on tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Official Alfaiate (Official Tailor)?

[bsei2816]

I think in this case "official" is better translated as journeyman or 
craftsman than as an equivalent to the English word "official".  Oficina 
means workshop.

Bill

On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 11:02:03 AM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:

> I can't speak on your record but my mother was a seamstress and at 17 she 
> was the seamstress the soldiers took their pants to me hemmed and pressed. 
> I'm not sure she had the official title but that is what she was known for 
> and it was her job. This was in the mid 1930's though. This is also how she 
> met me dad :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 13:53, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When the father is stated in a birth record as the Official Alfaiate, 
>> what does it really mean.  I know the translation but; who is he the 
>> Official Tailor to?  The village, a specific person or what?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Official Alfaiate (Official Tailor)?

[Leonor Bertoni]

I can't speak on your record but my mother was a seamstress and at 17 she
was the seamstress the soldiers took their pants to me hemmed and pressed.
I'm not sure she had the official title but that is what she was known for
and it was her job. This was in the mid 1930's though. This is also how she
met me dad :)



On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 13:53, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> When the father is stated in a birth record as the Official Alfaiate, what
> does it really mean.  I know the translation but; who is he the Official
> Tailor to?  The village, a specific person or what?
>
>
>
> Thanks all,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Official Alfaiate (Official Tailor)?

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

When the father is stated in a birth record as the Official Alfaiate, what does 
it really mean.  I know the translation but; who is he the Official Tailor to?  
The village, a specific person or what?

Thanks all,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students

['Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy]

Everyone should take Cheri's advice and download this file to your own 
computer. 

Kathy 

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> On Mar 21, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I would VERY QUICKLY download this to your computer and keep it somewhere 
> before it disappears. The Azorean Government has been having a lot of talk 
> about privacy, and this document violates it. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
>> wrote:
>> Kathy, thanks for putting it on your site, that way I can't forget how to 
>> access the site! LOL 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 4:45 PM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> There has been a new link added to the Azores GenWeb. It is a list of 
>>> seminary students that attended seminary in Angra from 1862 until 2013. 
>>> Information includes the student name, their freguesia, their parents, the 
>>> age they were admitted to the seminary, the date admitted, and any 
>>> observations.
>>> 
>>> The link is titled, "Alunos do Seminário Episcopal de Angra de 1862 – 2013” 
>>> and can be found on this page:  
>>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/general-info/links.html
>>> 
>>>  
>>> When you connect to the linked file, look at the bottom of the page and 
>>> click on the middle tab, "Registo da BPARAH-2”, for the list of students. 
>>> The students are not only from Terceira, but could be from any of the 
>>> islands. The page is searchable by using Control+F for Windows, or 
>>> Command+F for Macs.
>>> 
>>> Kathy Cardoza
>>> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
>>> ~~~
>>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>>>http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
>>> ~~~
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Camara family

[JR]

NS da Ajuda, Bretanha, baptismos, No-42

Mariana, born- May 12- 1903, bap- May 17- 1903, filha de Antao da Camara, 
native Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada, campaneo and Vicencia de Jesus, 
native of Ajuda, Bretanha, where they married,are parishioners and reside 
in Lomba da Pacheca? (area), of this freguesia, grandson of Incognitos 
parents and granddaughter of Joaquim Miguel d' Alvernas? and Maria 
Vicencia; padrinho- Luis da Costa, married, campaneo and madrinha, 
Mathilde? Matheus, married, domestica.

Margin note: She married Joao Duarte Rapozo in Bretanha, Feb 6- 1929; 
possibly recorded Sept 18- 1973 (this entry may be because of her death, 
but it is not stated.)


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1890-1899_item1/P59.html

Bretanha casamentos, NS da Ajuda, No-11, page 6
Sept 17- 1894, Antao da Camara com Vicencia de Jesus; he is 36 years old, 
viuvo (widow) de Maria do Livramento, campaneo, native of Sao Sebastiao de 
Ponta Delgada, exposto da Camara, morador mesma freguesia  and baptised 
same; she is 33 years old, single, native, resident and baptised this 
freguesia (Ajuda), filha de Joaquim Jose de Alvernas and Maria Vicencia; 
Test- Manoel Matheus de Oliveira and Marianno Botelho

Looks like you have another marriage to search, possibly in village of 
Livramento, as that was his first wife's first name. 

JR

On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 8:23:26 AM UTC-4, Richard Frances Pimentel 
wrote:
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> *She was born on the “day 12 of the current month and year” – 12 May 1903*
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> *Rick*
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> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
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> *Epping, NH*
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> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
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> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com   > *On Behalf Of *Luis Arruda
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2019 9:16 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy >
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Camara family
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> Thank you for your expeditious reply Cheri...
>
> Luis 
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> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:54:20 PM UTC-4, Luis Arruda wrote:
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> Looking for help with the date of birth...cannot make out the day or the 
> month ...and who are the godparents.
>
> I believe the father is Antao (Antonio?) da Camara and the mother is 
> Vicencia do Jesus, but who are the other people identified?
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1900-1911/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P131.html
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> No 42 on the right.
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> Thank you in advance...
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