Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias da ilhas de S.Miguel e Santa Maria Robert Rodrigues Does anyone have this?

[Denis Meals]

Lisa:
The closest I can get for you is the following:

Ana Maria, que casou em S. José de Ponta Delgada a 6.7.1795 com José
Carvalho de *Sousa*, ou

José de Sousa Carvalho, filho de José Carvalho de Sousa e Helena Rosa


Denis

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 6:41 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Liz,
>
> It's out of print. :(  It was a 6 volume set.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 6:04 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:
>
>> Is this available for purchase anywhere
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 4:11 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Lisa,
>>
>> I have the book, I didn't see either in the index.
>>
>> In addition to the actual book, I also have a PDF copy of it that I can
>> send to you directly.
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Lisa S 
>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>> Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2019 1:18 pm
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias da ilhas de S.Miguel e Santa
>> Maria Robert Rodrigues Does anyone have this?
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I am having a difficult time in my tree trying to find the marriage
>> record on 2 couples.  I have been trying to get the book *Genealogias da
>> ilhas de S.Miguel e Santa Maria* from the library, but it is not
>> available right now.  Is there someone who has this book please who is
>> willing to check if the following 2 couples are in it?  I would be so
>> appreciative.  Info below.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>> Here is the information:
>>
>> *José Carvalho de Mello and Anna de Jesus / Anna Maria*  (I believe that
>> José Carvalho de Mello is a natural of the island of Santa Maria, and I
>> think that Anna de Jesus / Anna Maria is a natural of Santo António além
>> Capelas).  Time frame about 1795.
>>
>> and
>>
>> *António de Medeiros Moura and Joanna Maria *(I believe that António de
>> Medeiros Moura is a natural of Santo António além Capelas and Joanna Maria
>> is a natural of Lagoa.  Time frame about 1760-1789.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents in a Vila do Porto, Santa Maria record

[Denis Meals]

In looking at baptism records of Vila do Porto, Santa Maria island, I need
some clarification as to the Godparents in the attached right side, bottom
record.

I see the following: Godparents Luís António Maximo Pereira and Leonor
Maxima Pereira, residents of São Miguel, by proxy [*representatives for, or
represented by*] Manoel Barbosa Pacheco and Dona Maria Mequelina da
Conceição, sister of the baptized.

Is the first couple representing the second, or the reverse?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1834-1840/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1834-1840_item1/P124.html

Thanks,
Denis

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

[Denis Meals]

"E": In reply to your question, "Is there such a place as Santa Barbara in
Santa Maria?" Yes, there certainly is such a place.  Santa Bárbara is
one of the 5 Parishes of Santa Maria, as well as being a community within
the parish.  Of course, as others have indicated, other islands also share
the name, Santa Bárbara.
Denis



On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:07 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Celeste,
>
> I don't know if this makes a difference but I looked up the ship's
> manifest and it says she was born in Santa Barbara (City), Santa
> Maria(Country).  Is there such a place as Santa Barbara in Santa Maria?
>
> "E"
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eliseu, Here is the original chart that Celeste sent to me many years
>> ago! Hope it's easier for you to read.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
>> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rosemarie!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you mind to send the the ancestors of Maria in another format. I
>>> tis very hard to read.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Muito Obrigado,
>>>
>>> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>>>
>>> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>>>
>>> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
>>> de *Rosemarie Capodicci
>>> *Enviada:* 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
>>> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa
>>> Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in the Azores
>>> (or the record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA before her
>>> marriage???  That happened in the Azores (not here) to my
>>> greatgreatgrandma, records were not available at the time of her marriage
>>> so she was re-baptized right before she married. Just a thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been
>>> looking for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!)
>>> I hope that someone out there has her in their database and is wondering
>>> where she came from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware,
>>> if you have been watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth
>>> mother's family just this week! So, continue and hope that the info will
>>> come to light soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the
>>> birth of my husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call
>>> her the, “elusive Maria Cristo.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were limited resources
>>> on line so I contacted relatives and researchers I found living in Rhode
>>> Island and MA.  The oral history I had did not go very far back in time
>>> until I found a great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some
>>> since I then knew the village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before
>>> Seraphine, her brother, immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect
>>> information about the lives of those of her family that immigrated followed
>>> Seraphine to RI from the census and marriage reords.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In 2007, I visited Lomba da Santa Barbara and found that all the church
>>> records I needed were in the archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I
>>> spent a week going through the church records looking for my “elusive Maria
>>> Cristo.”  Maria Cristo’s parents had names that were not very common so the
>>> task was easier than it may have been.  Joao de Morais (several spellings)
>>> and Jacinta Libianna (several variations of spellings) were not as hard as
>>> some names to pick out in the records.  I found Maria Cristo had several
>>> siblings and I recorded all of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had been told by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria Cristo was 5
>>> years old when her father died.  I looked in all the records up to the time
>>> of his death.  Found nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In 2009, I returned to Sao Miguel thinking maybe Maria Cristo had been
>>> raised by this family and was not biologically related.  Or that she was
>>> the daughter of an older sibling that was 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] street

[Denis Meals]

Liz: If you have access to Ancestry.com you may be able to find the same
people in their 1900 Census.  Perhaps that will give the street, and if
not, you can search forward or back until the street is identified.  Worth
a try, though I have found cases where the streets are never listed.
Denis

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M97L-8BW
>
> Is there a way for me to find out what street this census is for ?  If
> it's not on the street line??
>
> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Adoption occurring in The Matrix of Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

I am appealing to our group's native readers for help in the translation of
the following link, beginning with the righthand page and continuing on the
next two pages:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1840-1848/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1840-1848_item1/P59.html

I understand this to be the formal adoption of Anna, baptized in The Matrix
in 1838, and the natural daughter of Maria Luisa, a widow of Francisco
Bernardo.  I am unclear of the role António Baptista, single, is playing in
this adoption, for he is mentioned several times in this and the following
pages. Is he simply speaking to the accuracy of the facts, or is there more
that I am missing?

I do not need a complete translation, just the gist of what is written, for
I get lost in the complexity of much of the document.

Thanks for any help,
Denis

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Adoption occurring in The Matrix of Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

Margaret e Ângelo:
Well, I sure missed the boat on that one!  Fortunately I had expert help
from both to get me back on board.

My complete gratitude for righting the ship,
Denis

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Ângela Loura <angelalo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's not an adoption. The father is steping in with a petition assuming
> that he is Anna's "natural" father. I suppose at the time of the baptism
> she was "natural" daughter of Maria Luiza, and "filha de pai incognito".
>
> 2015-09-21 20:53 GMT+01:00 Denis Meals <deni...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I am appealing to our group's native readers for help in the translation
>> of the following link, beginning with the righthand page and continuing on
>> the next two pages:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1840-1848/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1840-1848_item1/P59.html
>>
>> I understand this to be the formal adoption of Anna, baptized in The
>> Matrix in 1838, and the natural daughter of Maria Luisa, a widow of
>> Francisco Bernardo.  I am unclear of the role António Baptista, single, is
>> playing in this adoption, for he is mentioned several times in this and the
>> following pages. Is he simply speaking to the accuracy of the facts, or is
>> there more that I am missing?
>>
>> I do not need a complete translation, just the gist of what is written,
>> for I get lost in the complexity of much of the document.
>>
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Denis
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for family info from Santa Maria

[Denis Meals]

Isiah:
António's parents were married 1 July 1885.  Using the link I previously
gave, you can search forward, and well as back, about every 2-3 years to
find his additional brothers and sisters.  And if you are very ambitious,
skip back about 20 years +/- 10 years to find the parents births.

If you will look further, you'll find records of birth/baptisms, marriages,
and deaths of all Santa Maria's citizens for the period  1640-1906.  This
is a huge, formidable, and at the sametime, satisfying task.

Denis

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Isaiah Nixon binnix...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is very helpful, thank you! Is there anyway to look into his
 siblings, the other children of Antonio? Antone migrated to the States, but
 his family stayed behind in the Azores. I am curious to see if anyone of
 this line is still there.

 Isaiah

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for family info from Santa Maria

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Isaiah:
The link to the birth/baptism of António born 29 August 1889 is:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1880-1889_item1/P178.html

His parents were António Ventura da Costa (b. 15 March 1863) and Jacintha
Umbelina Soares (b. 21 September 1851), both born in Santa Bárbara as you
stated.  However we have that they were married there as well.  Jacintha
Umbelina's father was from the parish of Vila do Porto.  Online records are
not available later that 1906 at present, so we do not have information on
Jacintha's death.

Denis  Tish Meals

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Isaiah Nixon binnix...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am wanting to begin looking for my family records on the Island of Santa
 Maria. I am not sure where to start.

 The information I have is that Antone Costa was born on August 29, 1889 on
 Santa Maria. His father, Antonio Ventura Da Costa was born in the village
 of Santa Barbara and Married in Vila do Porto and his mother Jacinta
 Umbelina Soares was born in Santa Barbara and died in Vila do Porto.

 I am wanting to get information on Antone Costa- birth or baptism records.
 If you have any information on how to start, I would be grateful to hear.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] John Dutra baptism

[Denis Meals]

Elizabeth  Cheri:

NorCal Genealogy provides the following:

http://www.sfgenealogy.com/norcal/caldata.htm#calvitals
Some  of what is listed are free, and quite good.

Denis Meals


On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Elizabeth Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com
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 Hi Cheri,
 Is there a link for the CA. Birth and Death Indexes?
 If so could you send me.

 Thx mucho
 Liz

 On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Bill,

 I have a lot of experience with the California Birth Index and the
 California Death Index.

 First, a mini lesson on sources.
 1) Primary Sources: Something that is generated AT THE TIME of the
 event.  For example, a birth certificate is a primary source for a birth.
 A death certificate is a primary source for a death.  The U.S. Federal
 census can be considered a primary source for residence.

 2) Secondary Sources: Something that is generated AFTER the event.  For
 example, a birth date obtained from a death certificate.  If a person is
 born in 1905 and that date appears on a 1940 document, then it's not a
 primary source.

 Birth and death indices are created by the state (at least in California)
 by people (same is true for the Social Security Death Index).  To err is
 human.  So an index can have an error.  I suppose technically, the CA Birth
 and Death Indices are not a source.  I utilize them as a source in my
 genealogy program because I don't have the money to order a birth or death
 on every ancestor I find.  I don't do only my direct line.  I try to get
 the whole family (siblings and grandkids).  But these indices are not my
 only source.  If I'm using the CA Birth Index as a source, I try to have
 1-2 others agree with this source.  If they don't agree, I have a lot of
 sources on 1 event!  In all my work with the indices, I've found a mistake
 once. (What I mean by that is they've typed the wrong month of death in the
 death index).  Overall, pretty accurate!

 The CA Birth and Death Indices are getting their information from the
 Birth or Death Certificate.  That certificate has an informant on it, who
 gave the information.  The earlier ones don't ask the name of the
 informant.  The later ones do.  The information is only as good as what the
 informant provides given the circumstances.

 Example of a Death Certificate from 1961 in CA:
 Informant is the wife.  Right off the bat, I question EVERYTHING on the
 death certificate except the death.  The spouse just died.  How upset is
 the wife?  Is the wife an immigrant too and whose information is she
 giving?  The death for my ancestor in 1961 gives the wrong date of birth,
 states he was a U.S. citizen (he wasn't, but his wife was), and something
 else I can't remember.

 Example of a Death Certificate from 1992 in CA:
 Informant was the son.  The death wasn't expected.  I should probably
 question everything, except the informant was my dad.  Almost everything
 checked out.  By 1992, CA wanted to know how many years of education the
 deceased had.  It said 12th grade.  I asked my dad.  My dad said he was
 never asked that question at all, as he knew his father only went to 8th
 grade.  No hesitation in answering that question at all.  Someone forgot to
 ask my dad and just took a guess.

 Example of a Birth Certificate in 1912 in CA:
 Informants weren't listed in 1912.  There still were informants, we just
 don't know who they were. On my grandfather's birth, it lists his dad as
 his dad, and his paternal grandmother as his mom.  Huh, what? She never
 came to America.  I never understood why or how that happened.  One day, I
 pulled his birth and was looking at it again.  I noted there was no box or
 line to list an informant.  At first, I told myself the informant was the
 mom.  Then I thought about it and said, no, moms were told to rest.  Then
 it dawned on me.  It was dad.  They asked dad (the immigrant) for the
 information.  Being the proud papa, he gave the baby's name and even gave
 his name.  When they asked him the name of the mother, he gave the name of
 the mother - HIS MOTHER!  After all, Gloria was his wife.  He misunderstood
 given the level of his English skills at that time.

 Bill, you're going to have to narrow down the freguesia first.  Could the
 attached record by your Joao?  Maybe.  My immigrant ancestor generally had
 his month and day right, but he gave the years of 1884, 1885, 1886, and
 1887!  Who says the person giving Joao's information wasn't off by a year
 or 2?  Maybe your Joao was indeed born Aug 15th...but in 1904 or 1906.

 If your ancestor didn't naturalize, he probably lived long enough to
 register when the Smith Act took place in June, 1940.  We call that Alien
 Registration.  You need to order his naturalization information or his
 Alien Registration information from the USCIS.   In it, he will hopefully
 give his correct freguesia.  If not, you'll get at least the island, maybe
 the council.  You are probably searching 50 freguesias in the central

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help: Isle de Santa Maria (Figueiredo, Resendes, Soares)

[Denis Meals]

Sam:
Some spelling errors for that time period, but basically you have
everything correct, with the exception of the date. The date you show is
the birthdate not the date of baptism.

Denis


On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 2:46 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

  Help please, left page.  I believe this is the Feb 14, 1806 baptism of
 my 2nd great grandmother; Maria daughter of Joam Soares Figueiredo and
 Francisca Jacintha de Resendes.  Paternal grandparents being: Jose Soares
 de Sousa and Dona Isabela Figueiredo and maternal grandparents: Antonio de
 Resendes Paiva and Antonia de Sao Jose.  There is much that I can't make
 out in this one.  Any and all help is much appreciated.

 Thanks in advance, Sam (currently in NC)


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my uncle.

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Helda:

The San Francisco Genealogy California Death Index 1940-1997 lists the
following, which you perhaps already know, since it confirms some of your
posted information.













































MITCHELL
LAURA
PERRY
03
04
1943
ALAMEDA
F
0
10
15
1879
OTHER COUNTRY

MONIZ

Denis

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Helda,

 Can you give us an approximate place of birth and also, do you know where
 in the Azores (parish and island) Laura would have been born in? Even
 guesses will be helpful and would help filter out the Lauras who are not
 matches. Thanks!

 John M. raposo
   On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:33 PM, Helda Pritchard 
 heldapritchard22...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hello Everyone,

 I am trying to help my Uncle find his aunt. As my mom and I have been
 doing our family tree my Uncle who is in his 80's has asked if I could help
 find his missing aunt. My Uncle's father and Grandfather had always talked
 about Tia Laura. His grandfather had her before he married so she was
 older then the half brother. All we know is that Laura had gone to the
 states she was born  several years before her younger half brother. She was
 living in California in the early 1920's as her half brother had visited
 her and sent his father photos, one of them had two men and it said on the
 back these are Laura's two oldest sons the boys were close to the their
 Uncles age. Another clue we have is the year 1943 that was written on my
 uncles grandfathers records but with no correspondence to why.
 Doing research I found a Laura Moniz/Mitchell that is about the right age
 and did live in California at about the right time. She had sons that would
 be about the right age and she did die in 1943. These could all be
 coincidences. I am hoping that maybe one of her family members is doing
 family research and stumbles upon this. As Laura was a illegitimate then
 her father would be listed as incongnito on her birth certificate.  I would
 be able to provide Laura's family with 5 generations back on the fathers
 side. The woman I think could be the missing Laura is in some records
 listed as Laura Moniz sometimes she is listed as Laura Mitchell. She was
 married to a Frank P Mitchell they lived in Glouchester Mass and had
 several children Joseph, Leonora (Nora), John, Anthony, Aurthur and Manuel.
  She died on March 4th, 1943 in Alameda California.
 Again I would happily scan the photo online to prove that this Laura is
 the right one.

 I know this is a long shot but you never know unless you ask.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Godfather José de Sousa, Santa Bárbara, Santa Maria

[Denis Meals]

I am in need of help with the word immediately following Godfather José de
Sousa, _,which I presume is his occupation, and the expression
following solteiro, creado de servir...

Lines 2-4, top left page
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1880-1889_item1/P107.html

The occupation, I can not quite make out the letters, and creado de servir
 does not seem to make sense in translating to english.

Thanks,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Rezendes, Santa Maria

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Betty:
There were four parishes in Santa Maria in the 1850's.  The surname
Resendes is common in Santa Bárbara Parish, as well as possibly in the
other three parishes as well.  I can tell you there was not a Manoel born
in Santa Bárbara on the date you have listed (However there is a Manoel
born to José de Resendes  Francisca Jacintha de Moura on 4 March 1950).

Since the records for all parishes of Santa Maria are now online, your
Manoel should be relatively easy to find.
Good luck,
Denis


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   Hi, new at making a request, not new to the list.  I'm researching
 Manuel Rezendes, b. Mar 1851, died Feb 14, 1902, Centerville, Ca.  Married
 Aurora Rosida Dutra b Sep 1863 in Faial.  My problem is all I know about
 Manuel is that he is born in Santa Maria.  How would I find the location in
 Santa Maria?  This is my husbands g grandparents.
 Thanks Betty

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Rezendes, Santa Maria

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Betty;
There is my typo  the date of birth is 4 March 1850.  You may also find
him in the passports (which show his parents) if you know about when he
came the United States.
Denis


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 Betty:
 There were four parishes in Santa Maria in the 1850's.  The surname
 Resendes is common in Santa Bárbara Parish, as well as possibly in the
 other three parishes as well.  I can tell you there was not a Manoel born
 in Santa Bárbara on the date you have listed (However there is a Manoel
 born to José de Resendes  Francisca Jacintha de Moura on 4 March 1950).

 Since the records for all parishes of Santa Maria are now online, your
 Manoel should be relatively easy to find.
 Good luck,
 Denis


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 Manuel is that he is born in Santa Maria.  How would I find the location in
 Santa Maria?  This is my husbands g grandparents.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Documentation of CCA Images

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Isabella:
This is GREAT!!!  -- This is exactly what I had hoped my original post
would generate, for I believe as we troll through the internet, we've all
occasionally come upon the message 'this URL is  no longer valid.'   Not
suggesting that this will occur with the images that CCA is so generously
making available, but one never knows the future.


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Isabella Baltar
myportuguese...@gmail.comwrote:

 Denis,

 I learned how to do a citation on one of the courses from the National
 Institute of Genealogical Studies, they have several and very useful
 courses that I have been doing since 2011 in order to have a certification.
 Several are the ways of doing a citation, National Archives has it is own
 way of doing it.

 The course recommended, between others, the book Evidence! Citation 
 Analysis for the Family Historian, from Elizabeth Shown Mills,  a small but
 very detailed book on several types of entries we face on our daily
 research.

 I adapted what I learned from the course and book and created a primary
 citation for the parish records we find in Azores. The primary citation is
 very useful if you, or anyone else, needs to see that record again, or go
 in person to the Library.

 Lets see one record, from my family; one of the oldest ones that I have on
 my Drummond side of the family. It is a baptismal record; note that the
 book is unpaginated, but as the dates are arranged in a cronological way,
 having the date of the baptism is crucial to locate it.

 I did not mention the link to the document, on the citation, as it may
 change over the years. For those willing to see it, the link is:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1611-1687/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1611-1687_item1/P52.html

 Below is the *primary citation* for this *baptismal record, *bibliographic
 entry is different than this one.

  Anna [f. Francisco Ferreira Dormonde m. Barbara], baptismal record of 26
 Jul 1616, Registros Paroquiais da Ilha Terceira, Municipio de Angra do
 Heroismo, Vila de São Sebastião, Matriz da Vila de São Sebastião, 1611 -
 1687, unpaginated, arranged by date. Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional
 de Angra do Heroismo, Angra do Heroismo, Ilha Terceira.

 I hope this will help you and others that need to make a primary citation.
 If you or anyone needs further information, just send me a private email.

 Isabella Baltar

 myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

 On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:13:27 PM UTC-4, sm figueiredo wrote:

 Cheri, and others who may choose to comment:

 Now that Santa Maria is at long last online, we are presented with a new
 problem, one that most of you have possibly previously faced.  Namely, an
 universally accepted way of documenting each image, so that others may
 easily find the same image.

 I understand that most just use the digital address as given by CCA
 (example below).  To do so is fine, as long as CCA is online, and does not
 change their system.  But this format would probably be unacceptable to any
 book editor.

 [http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
 VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-
 1834_item1/P70.html]

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Documentation of CCA Images

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Cheri, and others who may choose to comment:

Now that Santa Maria is at long last online, we are presented with a new
problem, one that most of you have possibly previously faced.  Namely, an
universally accepted way of documenting each image, so that others may
easily find the same image.

I understand that most just use the digital address as given by CCA
(example below).  To do so is fine, as long as CCA is online, and does not
change their system.  But this format would probably be unacceptable to any
book editor.

[
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834_item1/P70.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parish of Nossa Senhora das Candeias (?) on Santa Maria Island

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Maria Elena:
Nossa Senhora das Candeias is an alternate name for the Church of Nossa
Senhora da Purificação, located in Santo Espírito Parish.  It has not been
put online yet.

Denis


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 Is that part of Nossa Senra de Assencao parish?  That's the only one
 online. If not then it just has not come online yet- right?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria - Andrade

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Probably 4 for his time period, the fifth - Almagreira, appearing in the
very early 1900's.

Steve-  for any realistic help, you'll have to get back to pre-1883, for
that is the end date of the Mormon filming, from which most of us work.
 That said, the surname Andrade is quite common in Santa Bárbara Parish, so
parental information is also necessary.  In genealogy, more information is
always helpful.
Denis




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 Steve A,

 Start with this how to guide here:
 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/HowTo.html

 Then post back and tell you what you've done.  You need the freguesia to
 begin researching over there.  Santa Maria has 4 or 5 freguesias
 (villages), I believe (going off the top of my head here).

 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder Matches and the Population Finder bar

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That is too bad. It was a great feature.
Tish

On Monday, October 7, 2013, Pam Santos wrote:

 Bummer!!! I liked that feature


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 When FTDNA unveiled their new Family Finder matches page last week, each
 match had a bar under their name.  If you pointed at it, you could see if
 they were 80% European and 20% North African, for example.  Then on Friday,
 it disappeared.

 I called FTDNA to find out when it would be restored.  Never.  Too many
 people called and complained that too much information was being shared.
 So, if you want to know your match's Population Finder percentages, you are
 going to have to email them. :(

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA site added Feterias and Ginetes records!

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Cheri:
Move over with your one foot -- Tish and I need room for our four feet in
this common grave, waiting on Santa Maria.
Denis


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am excited BUT rusty I have not really been looking at records since
 they stopped adding them in February lol


 On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote:

 I will email them and Thank them, I am not sure I don't remember


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 You guys want to email the CCA and thank them?  Profusely!  Otherwise, I
 may have one foot in the grave by the time to they upload Vila Franca,
 way down there in the Vs.  LOL

 Where was Graciosa  Santa Maria in this uploading process?

 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder Matches and the Population Finder bar

[Denis Meals]

Very good idea Tomas.
I second the motion.
Tish

On Monday, October 7, 2013, Tomas Leal wrote:

 As long as you're going to bring up the matter, Cheri, let me add my ,02
 euros worth:

 Given there is already an option for user information to be made Private
 on Family Tree DNA, what not make the match bars also available for privacy
 or opt out? It seems such a waste to close off such rich information
 because of complaints from some users. As anyone can readily tell by
 looking at the various reports, most users are fully public with their
 information on the site. The site's now you see it, now you don't seems
 overkill, a massive solution to a much smaller problem.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Conference - suggestions and stuff

[Denis Meals]

1 more than 2, but 2 works for me, too.
Tish

On Monday, October 7, 2013, Pam Santos wrote:

 1 and 2 for me too


 On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Mary Bordi 
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 1 and 2 for me, too!


 On Monday, October 7, 2013, Cheri Mello wrote:

 OK, better start a separate thread for this even if the conference is 5
 weeks away.

 I'll take people's suggestions to the conference.

 So far I have:
 1) Population Finder bar under the Family Finder matches (opt in button)
 2) Diacritics support on the Gedcoms

 So, if you want 1  2, go ahead and say so.  Then I can come armed
 saying I have 25 people wanting these features!


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Relative Search: Victoria, DeBragga, Escobar, Contente

[Denis Meals]

Sara:
The baptism record of Anna (taken from the LDS microfilm) confirms Deb
DeBragga's information.

Anna born 3 February 1880, baptized 9 February 1880 to parents Joaquim de
BRAGA  Maria Umbelina in the village of Lapa, Parish of Nossa Senhora da
Purificação [Santo Espírito].
Paternal grandparents: José Joaquim de BRAGA  Maria Jacintha de CHAVES
Maternal grandparents: Bernardino Joaquim CABRAL  Umbelina Maria de FRIAS

My wife and I are just beginning to comply data from Santo Espírito - as we
encounter this family again, I will give you the information.  I think
parental and grandparental names could be slightly different, based upon
what we found in Santa Bárbara.
Denis


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 Sara,
 I have some info on Anna Silva deBragga, although it is not verifiedI
 have received some DeBragga family notes over the years , but never
 confirmed any of this.

 Annie DeBraga born 2/3/1880 in Freguisia de Santo Espirito, Santa Maria,
 arrived in US 1892, died 11/15/1951 in Stonington CT
 Siblings: Antone deBraga, Joseph J deBragga, John DeBraga, Alfred
 DeBragga, Agnes deBraga, Frank deBraga, Mary deBragga Cadeda
 Parents Joachim I de Braga   born Freguisia de Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
 3/28/1854, died 1/15/1928 in Stonington Ct , and
 Maria Umbelina Cabral Calvade, born 1860, her  Father Bernard Cabral.
 Joachim's parents Jose J de Braga and Maria Jacinta de Chaves
 I have seen them on the Stonington census 1920 and 1940. Also look at the
 LDS Family center, I believe there is a family genealogy for Joachim on
 microfilm. I also think most of them are buried in St Mary's cemetery on
 Rte 1. Their death records should be in Stonington, and marriage records at
 St Mary's church in the borough.
 Good luck
 Deb DeBragga

 On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:40:12 PM UTC-4, Sara Victoria wrote:

 Hi,
 I've been compiling a family tree of my mother's side. I'm looking for
 more information on two sets of great grandparents.

 Antone Victoria (1881-1951) and Anna Silva DeBragga (1880-?)

 and

 Annibal Escobar (1889?) and Felisbela Contente

 All of our family in the U.S. is from Stonington, CT.

 Sara

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Descriptive terminology of relationship of Godparent to Child

[Denis Meals]

In baptism records I often find the following circumstance:

Maria, married to Manoel Cunha, and Jacinta, married to Antonio Puim, are
sisters.  Manoel Cunha is listed as Godfather to a child born to Jacinta
and Antonio.


Since women often did not use a surname, the sister-sister relationship is
not apparent, and there seems to be no genealogical connection between
godfather and child.


When I later learn of the sister-sister kinship, I need to include a short
descriptive phrase to later jog my memory, as well as inform others who may
read my information, i.e.

   1. maternal uncle through marriage, 2. uncle through marriage to wife,
   3. brother-in-law to mother of child.


I don’t much like any of my choices and I’m hoping the group will offer
something better.


Another common corollary is Maria married to Manoel Cunha, and Antonio Puim
married to Jacinta, are brother and sister.  In this case Maria is the
Godmother, but it presents the same predicament.

Denis

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A DIAS breakthrough… that I'd love some help with, please.

[Denis Meals]

One slight correction to Cheri's list -- *Pico do Penedo* in Santa Bárbara
Parish, *Santa Maria*.  But I'm not suggested this as a possibility,
since compared to the other islands, relatively few left Santa Maria.
Denis

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmmm, I'll try a different, non-native speaker angle.  I'm looking for any
 place in the Azores that starts with a P.

 Santa Maria: nothing
 Sao Miguel: Pico da Pedra, Ponta Delgada, Ponta Garca, Porto Formoso,
 Povoacao
 Terceira: Porto Judeu, Praia da Vitoria
 Graciosa: Praia
 Sao Jorge: nothing
 Pico: Piedade, Prainha do Norte
 Faial: Pedro Miguel, Praia do Almoxarife, Praia do Norte
 Flores: Ponta Delgada
 Corvo: nothing

 Peekpike...I know the people at my local Portuguese hall pronounce Pico as
 Peek. But you have an Austrialian accent and a Portuguese one, so it will
 sound different.  And you said the copy was in a crease.  The only
 freguesia that starts with Peek (corruption of Pico) is Pico da Pedra on
 Sao Miguel island.  Which is what Dano said.  But Pedra isn't even close to
 Pike.  And it's not Faial island.  How sure are you that it's Faial?
 Didn't see you ordered DNA.  If this is your only Portuguese line and you
 match others from Faial, then I would think it's Faial.

 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: second image Santa Maria mid 1600's marriage help

[Denis Meals]

Pam, Richard, et al,
The better question for those of us who use a Mac, in what format do we
need to send images so that PC users can easily work with them, i.e.
downloading, enlarging, etc.?
Denis



On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Tish M tish.me...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for looking. If you right click can you download the image and look
 at it in a preview or something like that.
 I have a mac so I can just move it on to my screen, but that doesn't sound
 like an option for you. I can try sending it as a pdf. image. I can also
 send it right to you email. Do any of the options sound viable?
 Tish


 On Friday, July 26, 2013, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

 *Hi Tish,*

 * *

 *I can’t get the image larger. If it is coming from the CCA site just
 send the link it is easier to enlarge an see.*

 * *

 *Rick*

 * *

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*

 *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *

 * *

 *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
 Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*

 * *

 * *

 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Tish M
 *Sent:* Friday, July 26, 2013 6:45 PM
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] second image Santa Maria mid 1600's
 marriage help

 ** **

 Hi,

 This is the second image I would like help with.

 [image: Inline image 1]

 I am interested in the record on the left hand page.

 On the ... Manoel de Melo, son of Bras de Melo, and his wife Maria
 Manoel with Francisca Soares, daughter of Manoel da ? , and his wife
 Barbara Farnandes... In this image I am interested in Francisca's parents,
 not really anything else.

 Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance,

 Tish

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report

[Denis Meals]

Cindy: We're all village idiots when it comes to this stuff though
you're the only one with enough humor to admit it!
Just my opinion,
Denis


On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 Hi Cindy,

 If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? I only ask because that
 could have a major impact on what your results show. If you are 23 and have
 living relatives who are elderly, then you should get them tested. They
 will have more matches than you.

 Another thing, how much research have you done? How far back have you
 traced your people from all four sides? Of course, only the Portuguese
 sides will be of interest here.

 I can say that there are relatively few who have tested who have Santa
 Maria ancestors. But there are many with Sao Miguel. And some from Flores,
 but I don't know if a lot.

 Do you have any matches with anyone other than mysterious people who don't
 seem to be Portuguese? I have some of those for my father (mostly all
 Portuguese) and tons of mysterious matches which must be coming from my
 mother's German and Hungarian sides. Most have not done much genealogy and
 didn't post a gedcom. But some did and I still don't have any clue how we
 connect. I think it would be a connection beyond what church records allow
 us to show. In Hungary, I exhausted one side of my tree when I reached the
 early 1700s. But from my experience with Family Finder, it can show 400
 years or more and if that is how these remote connections are showing,
 we'll never likely find it.

 It reminds me of one person with no known Portuguese ancestry, I believe
 with Kentucky area roots, who is a fairly close match by DNA. I wonder if
 she descends from Melungeons.

 I am willing to look at your results, not that I'm any expert on them, but
 since I have so many matches and have done so much research on all my
 sides, maybe I will detect something of interest. Just tell me privately,
 of course. (p...@dholmes.com)

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
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   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report
 From: Cindy D kcci...@aol.com
 Date: Tue, July 02, 2013 8:41 am
 To: azores@googlegroups.com


 I have come to the conclusion that I am the village idiot in this group.
 I cannot get this DNA thing.

 I got very excited about reading the results of others' DNA tests and
 happy cousin matches and wanted to be counted too.

 Well, I spent a lot of money got autosomal (mother's father's line is
 Flores and Sao Miguel), MtDNA (mother's mother's line goes back to
 Poland)...and waited on pins and needles for my results.  They finally came
 in last week and I have been sitting here looking at the numbers and
 reports like a deer in the headlights.  What does all this mean??  I've
 tried to read up on some of this but it's like trying to read a Jackson
 Pollock painting.  I've gone back and forth with all the generous
 information that is posted here, but still, all I have are numbers with no
 meaning (to me).  The few distant cousin matches make no sense to me and
 are not from where I'd expect.  Charts, numbers, groups, typesmust be
 cool to understand it all.

  One report says I have no missing info, scrolling down it says I have
 extra infoso??  What does this mean?  Will I be growing an extra ear on
 my hip??Agh!!

 I can make out maps and follow the migrations which is interesting, I'll
 admit. But the rest... I dunno.

 I thought if I stuck with it, I'd get itbut so far...nada.  Every
 day I open this stuff up and look again.  Am I getting too old to learn
 something new?  Perhaps.

 I'm kind of bummed that I'm not getting this since I'm generally a science
 junkie and had high hopes of opening up new lines and information about my
 Azorean roots.  The name changing process has me stumped so how would I
 ever know my connections for sure unless I can figure out this DNA thing.

  I want all this primarily because  I have two very troubling family
 stories that I want to either prove or disprove, once and for all.  I am
 getting nowhere. I wish I was like everyone else that seems to have it all
 sorted out about how to connect and manage all this information.

 I'm not giving up yet, but I think I'll have to sit back and wait for
 someone else to contact me because I do not know how I'd contact someone
 and say anything that makes sense.  I joined your project, hopefully this
 will click eventually, somehow.

 So I guess my question isis there something I can look at that
 explains each of the DYS sequences and what it applies to?  And if my
 charted gene matches comes up, what that particular matching gene means??
  I'd sure like to know what my extra genes mean as well.  I wonder if
 maybe one of those is the idiot gene.  LOL?

 Cindy D
 Out here in Kansas where it's either too hot, too windy, too humid, too
 rainy, too dry, too annoying

 Pimentel-Flores
 da 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Braga from Santa Maria b. 1870s to Massachusetts then California

[Denis Meals]

JB -
My wife and I have extensive records for the two eastern parishes (Santa
Bárbara  Santo Espírito) of Santa Maria, and therefore of no help to you.
 Fortunately E saw your posting long before I did, and her replies sound
correct.

As Cheri has already told you, the baptism records on film are your only
current hope of finding more information about your great grandfather 
spouse.  Their baptisms will be on one of the following film numbers:
1388405, 1388406, 1388407, 1388408, 1388409. A likely guess would be to
start with #406.  Baptism records extend from 1599-1892, so your search of
about 1873 should be quite readable.

Incidentally, for your records, the correct spelling is Vila do Porto.
Good luck,
Denis


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 JB,

 Passenger manifests emigrating (leaving) out of the Azores are called
 Passaportes.  Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island was a major port and many
 leaving from Santa Maria usually went to the closest port, which would have
 been Ponta Delgada.  However, Ponta Delgada has gaps in their records.
 There is a gap between 1883-1894, so you won't be able to find the first
 emigration.  But they do exist for 1907.  And they are online at the Centro
 de Conhecimento dos Acores (CCA): http://goo.gl/7anSJ

 That will give you Calisto  Filomena's parents' names.  Unfortunately,
 the parish records for Santa Maria are NOT online yet.  You'll have to
 order the film from your local Family History Center (FHC).  Unless you
 live anywhere near North Dartmouth, MA.  They have all the film for all 9
 islands of the Azores there.

 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Braga from Santa Maria b. 1870s to Massachusetts then California

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JB-
Joe Matias did indeed find the Passaportes for your ancestor.  It is #639
(not 609) on Joe's attached file.  Traveling on the same passport are the
wife and 3 children.  José Resendes, 20 yrs. old  single, is listed
immediately below.  Note that the Concelho is Villa [sic] do Porto, but the
Parish from whence they came is Nossa Senhora da Purificação (Santo
Espírito).
Denis

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 look on number 609





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 JB,

 Passenger manifests emigrating (leaving) out of the Azores are called
 Passaportes.  Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island was a major port and many
 leaving from Santa Maria usually went to the closest port, which would have
 been Ponta Delgada.  However, Ponta Delgada has gaps in their records.
 There is a gap between 1883-1894, so you won't be able to find the first
 emigration.  But they do exist for 1907.  And they are online at the Centro
 de Conhecimento dos Acores (CCA): http://goo.gl/7anSJ

 That will give you Calisto  Filomena's parents' names.  Unfortunately,
 the parish records for Santa Maria are NOT online yet.  You'll have to
 order the film from your local Family History Center (FHC).  Unless you
 live anywhere near North Dartmouth, MA.  They have all the film for all 9
 islands of the Azores there.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BIBLIOTECA PUBLICA E ARQUIVO DE PONTA DELGADA Archive Requests

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George: As I understand, you originally requested information of what was
currently available at the Archives in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel.  Their
response is what you earlier posted, and also partially included in your
May 13, 2013 post.

My question then is: where does one go to find São Miguel records after
1911, and Santa Maria records after 1905?
Denis


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:53 AM, George Pacheco bretanha1...@gmail.comwrote:

 Cheri, I asked the archive what they had available at the archives,
 because now the have marriages and deaths higher than 1911, and that was
 their response i notice that they they also did not mention povoação, and
 what Trish mentioned above, I thought I would share what they sent ,
 I guess I shouldn't have share because it caused confusion.


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 Um, I've been at a festa all day.  I'm not sure what you're referring to,
 George.  You're making me feel like I've had too much vinho!  LOL

 This stuff isn't up on the CCA. What are you referring to?

 Thanks!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Priests of Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

In the freguesia of Santa Bárbara, on Santa Maria Island, SOARES FIGUEIREDO
is one of the esteemed family names, apparently originating in the parish
from the marriage of Alferes Joam Soares Figueiredo in 1708.  The surname
is also found in the other three freguesias, as well as São Miguel and
perhaps the other islands, but not with the same frequency as in Santa
Bárbara. Since Tish's ancestors bear this surname, we are particularly
interested.

There are two priests in Santa Bárbara that have drawn our attention:
Laurenço José de FIGUEIREDO in the early years of the 19th century, and
Manoel Soares de FIGUEIREDO in the middle of the same century.

Questions that have arisen:
1.  Where did the Azorean Priests generally receive their education?
2.  Did they have some input as to where they were assigned, particularly
as regards the two above?
3.  Assuming these two were natives of Santa Maria, what is the possibility
of learning their parentage?

Thanks for any insights,
Denis

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Priests of Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

In the freguesia of Santa Bárbara, on Santa Maria Island, SOARES FIGUEIREDO
is one of the esteemed family names, apparently originating in the parish
from the marriage of Alferes Joam Soares Figueiredo in 1708.  The surname
is also found in the other three freguesias, as well as São Miguel and
perhaps the other islands, but not with the same frequency as in Santa
Bárbara. Since Tish's ancestors bear this surname, we are particularly
interested.

There are two priests in Santa Bárbara that have drawn our attention:
Laurenço José de FIGUEIREDO in the early years of the 19th century, and
Manoel Soares de FIGUEIREDO in the middle of the same century.

Questions that have arisen:
1.  Where did the Azorean Priests generally receive their education?
2.  Did they have some input as to where they were assigned, particularly
as regards the two above?
3.  Assuming these two were natives of Santa Maria, what is the possibility
of learning their parentage?

Thanks for any insights,
Denis

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passenger List for New Bedford, MA 1884

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Eddie:
Any more information on your GG Grandfather would be helpful.  If he
arrived in 1884,  perhaps +/- a few years, he should appear in the 1900
census, also perhaps 1920-30 depending on his age.  These other census
years may indicate a different year of immigrating.
Do you know for certain that he arrived at the Port of New Bedford?
 Coincidently I have recently begun looking through Ship Manifests, so
hopefully with a bit more information from you, I'll look for him as well.
Denis


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Eddie Machado avidedito...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I am looking for any passenger lists for ships arriving in New Bedford, MA
 in 1884. My GG Grandfather noted on the 1910 census that he immigrated in
 1884, but I can't find any lists that have him. Ancestry and Family Search
 also have no records. Any help would be appreciated. My GG Grandfathers
 name is Frank A. Machado (Francisco d'Azevedo Machado)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site

[Denis Meals]

Rather than being critical of the efforts in posting images online, or the
lack of effort as seen by perhaps some of us, we should consider how lucky
we as Azorean researchers are -- Slow though the images may be in their
appearance online, keep in mind the alternative, trips to the Family
History Center and countless hours hovering over film readers.  So, let's
be thankful -- this opinion comes from one researcher of Santa Maria Island
where the *only* thing available thus far is the passport information of
islanders going abroad.

Denis

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 Have they added any records from other islands or something??? They
 haven't added anything to Sao Miguel since Feb 18, at this rate Vila Franca
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simão Velho Isabel de Andrade - ilha de Santa Maria

[Denis Meals]

Doug:
There is a marriage record in the freguesia of Santa Bárbara, Santa Maria,
showing Simão Velho - Maria da Fonte as the parents of the groom, Francisco
Velho - bride's name illegible.  However Francisco's marriage occurred in
167_, and given that his mother is a Fonte, this likely is not the people
you seek.

My best guess of where to look would be in the freguesia of Nossa Senhora
da Assunção, Vila do Porto.  As far as I know, no one has compiled a
database from the Mother Church.  If you wish to look further I'll offer
the LDS film numbers.
Denis

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:16 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 I have run across in my research in Pico a couple named Simão Velho and
 Isabel de Andrade, whose son Francisco ended up living in Pico.

 His marriage says he is simply native of Ilha de Santa Maria. I estimate
 he was born maybe about 1710-1715 and that his parents were married about
 1700-1710.

 I know there are some Santa Maria researchers on this list who might
 recognize this couple and if anyone is interested in learning about their
 son Francisco and his family on Pico, I would like to know some specifics
 about his parents, especially which of the four freguesias on Santa Maria
 where he was born.

 I think there is a decent chance one of Francisco's parents connects up to
 a prominent family, such as Macedo, Bettencourt, Brum, Silveira, or
 something like that, but not those found on Pico. These names also are well
 known on São Miguel, such as in Ponta Delgada and Ribeira Grande, and I
 believe that is where he has his origins.

 Thank you.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

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Dear Listers:
I hope you can help Amy out, for I suggested she join our group.  Just my
opinion, but I've always found the rootsweb message boards (from whence she
came) to be minimally helpful at best.
Denis

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:43 AM, amy@xtra.co.nz amy@xtra.co.nzwrote:

 Hi All,

 I am searching for information and I am hoping someone here may be
 able to help me.

 My great great great grandfather came from Portugal. The region is
 unknown at present but could be somewhere around the Porto district or
 Azores region (this is second hand information from a relative). I
 think he was born approx 1814 - 1822 (Although family think it could
 be as late as 1836 but this doesn't match age on documents I have) and
 left Portugal on a whaling ship in which he jumped off in Australia. I
 think I have narrowed down the whaling ship to Jeannette which sailed
 from New Bedford in 1842 and he was listed as a boy (what does this
 mean?). He lived in Australia for a while then sailed on the Oliver
 Lang to New Zealand where I believed he changed his name from Jose
 Francisco de Simas to either Jose Leal de Simas or Jose Silva de
 Simas. I believe the Silva to be his mothers maiden name.

 I am seeking any information about his life but particularly
 information about his younger days. I dont have names for his parents
 or an exact location of his birth but would love to find this
 information out.

 Anyone out there that can help me :

 Thanks
 Amy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pavao From Santa Maria

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Richard:
I don't know if any of the four or five on the list who actively search the
Santa Maria records have looked at Vila do Porto (Nossa Senhora da
Assunção) films.  It would be an enormous task to do so, there being 5
films.  Fortunately the other three parishes are much smaller.
Denis


On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

 *In looking at records from Santissimo Salvador, Sao Miguel, Baptisms for
 the year 1874 record number 58 identifies Manuel Pavao as from Santa Maria
 parish NS Assumpcao he is the son of Antonio Joaquim Pavao and Anna Jacinta.
 *

 * *

 *Rick*

 * *

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*

 *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *

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 *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
 Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manoel Chaves Braga - Santa Maria

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Fatima:
Short answer: while the surnames are familiar, we do not have information
on any of your specifically mentioned ancestors.
Now what we do have:

Our research has centered on the two eastern parishes, the freguesias of
Santa Bárbara and Santo Espírito. The surnames Coutinho, Coelho, Andrade,
Fontes are found in these two freguesias.  To help with a possible
connection, do you have any dates for your mentioned ancestors (baptisms,
marriage, deaths)?

Specific names on which we have some information:
1. Ventura Soares COUTINHO, resident of Santana, [ north of Vila do Porto]
freguesia of Nossa Senhora da Assunção
2. José Ignacio Coelho d'ANDRADE [also known as José Ignacio COUTHO]
3. Manoel Joaquim de FONTES [several of this name, as well as de FONTES
with different given names]


Since you were born in Vila do Porto, are these ancestors likely from the
same area?  If so, and if you have access to a Latter Day Saint Family
History Center, I can furnish you with the microfilm numbers you will have
to search.  Are you familiar with the work of the Mormons in microfilming
the Church ledgers?  It is from these that most of us doing Azores
genealogy rely upon.  The films of Vila do Porto, five in number, contain
records from 1599-1892.  There is no index available, but each ledger was
in chronological order, so if you have approximate dates, specific records
are not too difficult to find (reading them may be the more difficult
problem, given in some cases their physical condition, the use of Latin-old
Portuguese, etc.)

Unfortunately records from the other freguesias (Santa Bárbara, Santo
Espírito, São Pedro) were not photographed beyond 1883.

I hope this helps -- we shall be glad to stay in touch with you if you
desire,
Denis  Tish

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Santa Bárbara, Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

Margaret:
Thank you... I always value your translations, but now, also your insight
into the culture of the Church.
Denis

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Margaret Vicente
margaretvice...@gmail.comwrote:

 Denis,

 It is not quite that simple.  They (the parents of new newborn) due to
 their circumstances may have had no choice in the matter and were unable to
 participate in the church.  Due to church rules they may have not been able
 to make good their situation which would render them unable to attend
 services.

 You may ask next then how come their child was baptised?  Here it is
 different, church's dogma regarding baptism is to save souls and they had
 an obligation to the child.

 Further to this the priest usually writes whom I know well and who are
 parishioners of this church and live in this or that parish.  In this case
 he was saying they were from a different church he didn't know them because
 they didn't participate in the church but lived in the parish.

  Margaret

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 Margaret  Cheri:
 Thank you both -- I think you do have the gist of the meaning correct -
 that the priest was chastising the parents for being 'absent parishioners
 for a number of years'.  Perhaps understandable, given that the child Anna
 was illegitimate, fathered by Albino who had relations with a woman perhaps
 of about the same age as his legitimate daughter.

 I wish I understood the cultures of the Azores as a native would, but
 Albino probably was not looked upon with favor by others in the parish.

 Thank you again,
 Denis


 On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can see it now.

 So the priest is going off on how her parents don't go to church and
 then he forgets the baptism date? Sheesh!  That's something I don't see
 very often in a document.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Santa Bárbara, Santa Maria Island

[Denis Meals]

Margaret  Cheri:
Thank you both -- I think you do have the gist of the meaning correct -
that the priest was chastising the parents for being 'absent parishioners
for a number of years'.  Perhaps understandable, given that the child Anna
was illegitimate, fathered by Albino who had relations with a woman perhaps
of about the same age as his legitimate daughter.

I wish I understood the cultures of the Azores as a native would, but
Albino probably was not looked upon with favor by others in the parish.

Thank you again,
Denis

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can see it now.

 So the priest is going off on how her parents don't go to church and then
 he forgets the baptism date? Sheesh!  That's something I don't see very
 often in a document.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with baptism margin note

[Denis Meals]

I want to again thank all whom responded to my initial question regarding
these particular notes.  Looking further, 4 of the 5 sons of José de
Braga-Jacintha Umbelina have these notes added to the margin of their
baptisms.  I am of the opinion that, as John Roias and Margaret Vicente
suggest, they indicate either an inheritance or property claim.
Denis

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, henriettama...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

   Hi Denis, I have a death record from Santa Maria of Jose de Braga
 widower of Jacintha Umbelina  died in Feb. 1875 . His father is Jose
 Francisco de Braga de Soares mother Barbara Jacintha. . Maybe they are
 yours. henrietta

  *From:* Denis Meals deni...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2012 8:04 PM
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with baptism margin note

 Thanks to Ary, Dano, Elaine, and especially JR, for your collective
 thoughtful replies.

 In this particular case - 4 of the 5 sons of José de Braga-Jacintha
 Umbelina have the same note (different dates) attached to their baptism
 records. In addition, two of these sons each have 2 similar notes.

 Notations related to death or marriage have dissimilar wording from these
 notes.  Passports, a possiblility. Given all the evidence, I lean toward
 some sort of legalities, as suggested by JR.
 Denis


 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote:

 Notations could be issued for any reason, such as passport, to prove
 descendancy when making a property claim or inheritance, or for other
 legal reasons, as well as a notation for death, marriage or birth. In
 this case, most likely to obtain a passport or other legal documents
 to leave the country. There was a mass migration of Azoreans at this
 time to North America (US) and Brazil. Some even went from one island
 to another. The Braga's of Santa Maria are very old and some are of,
 or connected to noble ancestry. But you have to prove it and follow
 the line. Many Santa Maria records are in poor condition. Good Luck.

 JR

 On Mar 2, 10:27 pm, Denis Meals deni...@gmail.com wrote:
  Dano  Ary:
  These notations have me completely puzzled.  These are occurring in the
  male children of José de Braga-Jacintha Umbelina, though I have also
 seen
  them in other incidences, but only rarely.  In the present case, these
  notations apparently have nothing to do with the death or marriage of
 the
  individual [see an example in my second posting, in which two like
  notations occur for the same person].  Also, I have found the later
  marriage of one of these boys - the marriage date far removed from the
 date
  within his baptism note.
 
  Any further thoughts on what may be their meaning?
  With much appreciation,
  Denis
 
 
 
   On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote:
   Denis,
 
   This is a notation that a certificate was issued on 13-Ago-1894. I
   agree that the third digit in the year is most likely a 9. If you
   know that the person was born in 1843, then, the certification was
   likely issued in relation to his, or her, death.
 
   On Mar 1, 8:30 pm, Denis Meals deni...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope that some of our more experienced translators can help with
 the
attached margin note.
 
This is a baptism of a child born in 1843.  Something happened on 13
   August
1884 or 1894 (I think the latter date).  But I can not get the
 first two
words.
Thanks,
Denis
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with baptism margin note

[Denis Meals]

Thanks to Ary, Dano, Elaine, and especially JR, for your collective
thoughtful replies.

In this particular case - 4 of the 5 sons of José de Braga-Jacintha
Umbelina have the same note (different dates) attached to their baptism
records. In addition, two of these sons each have 2 similar notes.

Notations related to death or marriage have dissimilar wording from these
notes.  Passports, a possiblility. Given all the evidence, I lean toward
some sort of legalities, as suggested by JR.
Denis


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote:

 Notations could be issued for any reason, such as passport, to prove
 descendancy when making a property claim or inheritance, or for other
 legal reasons, as well as a notation for death, marriage or birth. In
 this case, most likely to obtain a passport or other legal documents
 to leave the country. There was a mass migration of Azoreans at this
 time to North America (US) and Brazil. Some even went from one island
 to another. The Braga's of Santa Maria are very old and some are of,
 or connected to noble ancestry. But you have to prove it and follow
 the line. Many Santa Maria records are in poor condition. Good Luck.

 JR

 On Mar 2, 10:27 pm, Denis Meals deni...@gmail.com wrote:
  Dano  Ary:
  These notations have me completely puzzled.  These are occurring in the
  male children of José de Braga-Jacintha Umbelina, though I have also seen
  them in other incidences, but only rarely.  In the present case, these
  notations apparently have nothing to do with the death or marriage of the
  individual [see an example in my second posting, in which two like
  notations occur for the same person].  Also, I have found the later
  marriage of one of these boys - the marriage date far removed from the
 date
  within his baptism note.
 
  Any further thoughts on what may be their meaning?
  With much appreciation,
  Denis
 
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote:
   Denis,
 
   This is a notation that a certificate was issued on 13-Ago-1894. I
   agree that the third digit in the year is most likely a 9. If you
   know that the person was born in 1843, then, the certification was
   likely issued in relation to his, or her, death.
 
   On Mar 1, 8:30 pm, Denis Meals deni...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope that some of our more experienced translators can help with
 the
attached margin note.
 
This is a baptism of a child born in 1843.  Something happened on 13
   August
1884 or 1894 (I think the latter date).  But I can not get the first
 two
words.
Thanks,
Denis
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with baptism margin note

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Dano  Ary:
These notations have me completely puzzled.  These are occurring in the
male children of José de Braga-Jacintha Umbelina, though I have also seen
them in other incidences, but only rarely.  In the present case, these
notations apparently have nothing to do with the death or marriage of the
individual [see an example in my second posting, in which two like
notations occur for the same person].  Also, I have found the later
marriage of one of these boys - the marriage date far removed from the date
within his baptism note.

Any further thoughts on what may be their meaning?
With much appreciation,
Denis

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote:

 Denis,

 This is a notation that a certificate was issued on 13-Ago-1894. I
 agree that the third digit in the year is most likely a 9. If you
 know that the person was born in 1843, then, the certification was
 likely issued in relation to his, or her, death.

 On Mar 1, 8:30 pm, Denis Meals deni...@gmail.com wrote:
  I hope that some of our more experienced translators can help with the
  attached margin note.
 
  This is a baptism of a child born in 1843.  Something happened on 13
 August
  1884 or 1894 (I think the latter date).  But I can not get the first two
  words.
  Thanks,
  Denis
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade from Santa Maria 1771 earlier

[Denis Meals]

Jesse:
Assuncao, Porto, Santa Maria undoubtedly refers to the *Church of Nossa
Senhora da Assunção in Vila do Porto, Santa Maria*. Thus, your Francisco
d'Andrade was most likely born in the Parish of the Mother Church.  I don't
know of any on this list who have accumulated records from Vila do Porto.
 These records are however available on microfilm through the Family
History Centers of the Church of the Latter Day Saints.  Five reels contain
the records of Vila do Porto 1599-1892.  Francisco's baptism would probably
be found on reel #1388405 or 406.  Since the baptisms are recorded
sequentially, you should be able to locate his time frame without too much
effort (??).

My wife and I have thus far confined our efforts to Santa Maria's
northeastern parish, Santa Bárbara.  We do know of at least one person on
this list researching the Parish of Santo Espírito.  She perhaps will
respond when she sees your reference to Francisco's parents.  I do not find
the village of Candeias within Santo Espírito Parish, however this has no
bearing on locating his baptismal record.
Denis

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Jesse Pacheco pacheco.jess...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have a Francisco d'Andrade in my tree who was born in about 1771 in
 Assuncao, Porto, Santa Maria. His parents were Miguel dos Merces who was
 from Candeias, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria, and Roza Margarida.

 Francisco had moved to Sao Miguel by 20 Aug 1796 when he married his first
 of three wives (I believe they were all originally from Sao Miguel). He
 died in 1839.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records I have Compiled.

[Denis Meals]

Following Richard Pimentel's suggestion:
Tish and I have the baptism, marriage and obituary records of all
individuals residing in the Santa Bárbara Parish of Santa Maria Island
during the period 1801-1883.

Denis Meals

On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cheri Mello has the following from Sao Miguel island (need Excel to open):

 Achada marriages (1680 something - 1729) - 225 records
 Faial da Terra marriages (1696-1703) - 47 records
 Povoacao baptisms (1574-1640) - 37 records
 Povoacao marriages (1707; 1712) - 5 records
 Povoacao deaths (1591-1593) - 4 records
 Ribeira das Tainhas marriages (1885 - 1900) - 117 records
 Vila Franca baptisms (Sao Pedro church?) (1565-1599)
 Vila Franca baptisms (Sao Miguel Arcanjo church) (1560s to 1628)
 Vila Franca marriages (1576-1670) - 58 scattered records

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First, middle names for Azorean people

[Denis Meals]

I would like to thank all who responded to my initial posting.  You
confirmed what I suspected to be so; the Portuguese naming system of
attaching adjectives (occupations, nicknames) to their given names was their
way of uniquely identifying individuals. You also confirmed that this
practice occurred *throughou*t the Azores.

Just as it identified our ancestors while they were living, so too can it
help us as genealogists to sort through the many same-named individuals that
we encounter in our research.  I think we all gained from the information
shared in this thread.
Denis

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:58 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Diane Lavely allevacon...@gmail.comwrote:

 How do we ever find anything??  Diane

 You tell me.still after 10 years trying to find my ggrandmother's
 baptism record.seems like they had kids all over those islandsand
 this was only from 1850 when they for some reason went to the Azores from
 mainland Portugal.

 I often wondered how a family member got his nickname..from the
 priest who baptized him..

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