Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for D'Andrade in Sao Miguel
In a message dated 10/2/2010 3:46:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jag4...@yahoo.com writes: I am trying to find information on my D'ANDRADE ancestors... Here is what I have: Jacinto D'ANDRADE (my ggrandfather) m Margarida Candida LOPES in Ariffes, Sao Miguel 16 Sep 1872 s/o Antoinio D'Andrade de Silva m Dona-Anna-Clara in Fenais do Luz, Sao Miguel 26 Sep 1831 s/o Joao D'ANDRADE RAPOSO m Genoveva ROSA in Fenais do Luz, Sao Miguel, 14 Oct 1779 s/o Manuel D'ANDRADE-MACEDO m Mariana(?) I have no further information.could there possibly be someone else on the list looking for this family who could help me break through? TIA Elizabeth Here is what I have: João de Andrade (Nascimento) and Genoveva Rosa (da Conceição) of Fenais da Luz had the following children: 1. António de Andrade married Ana Clara do Nascimento, daughter of Jacinto Inácio de Almeida, or do Rego, and his second wife, Jacinta Miquelina, or Cândida de Brito (m. Matriz de Ponta Delgada, on 30.7.1806) on 26 Sept 1831. 2. Antónia Jacinta Rosa married José do Rego Baldaia, in Fenais da Luz on 20.8.1814. 3. Rosa Jacinta Ricarda married José de Melo e Oliveira, ins Fenais da Luz on 16.2.1807. 4 . Vicencia Rosa de Andrade, married Manuel Caetano Garcia Raposo, in Matriz de Ponta Delgada on 26.1.1820. Ancestors of Clara do Nascimento 1 - Gonçalo do Rego, o Velho, came to S. Miguel in the time of João Rodrigues da Câmara. he was a native of Porto. According to Frutuoso, (IV:XXII) he was the son of João Vaz do Rego, a nobleman and citizen of he and his second wife, Isabel Pires (128 § 1.º N.º 3) had the following:. 2 - Manuel do Rego married Maria Jerónima (103:§ 2.N.º 4). They had: 3 - Braz do Rego Rodovalho, married in Matriz da Ribeira Grande, on 22.1.1569, to Jerónima de Sousa (132: § 1.º N.º 5) They had:. 4 - Gonçalo do Rego de Sousa, died in Matriz de Ponta Delgada on 23.10.1659. He married Maria da Cunha Teixeira, who died in Matriz de Ponta Delgada on 10.2.1633, daughter of Luís Martins and Isabel da Cunha. They had: 5 - Calisto do Rego e Sousa, baptized in Matriz de Ponta Delgada on 18.10.1627. he was married in S. Pedro de Ponta Delgada, on 10.2.1649, to Maria Cabral de Melo They had: 6 - Manuel do Rego de Sousa, Capt. of Fenais da Luz was married in Fenais da Luz, on 25.1.1675, to Maria Tavares de Vasconcelos, daughter of Lino de Sousa Tavares and Luzia Vieira. They had: 7 - Manuel Tavares de Melo, or Manuel do Rego Tavares Calisto, baptized in Capelas and resident of Fenais da Luz. he was married by proxy in Matriz de Vila Porto, on 1.12.1721, to Margarida Coutinho de Chaves (156:§ 4.º N.º 9). They had: 8 - Inácia Jacinta do Rego married in Fenais da Luz, on 10.11.1766, to Manuel de Almeida Couto, son of Miguel de Almeida and Maria do Couto, of Rabo de Peixe (married in RP on 25.11.1734). They had: 9 - Jacinto Inácio de Almeida, or do Rego married on Matriz de Ponta Delgada, on 30.7.1806, to Jacinta Miquelina, or Cândida, de Brito (361:º § 2.º N.º 7). They had: 10 -Ana Clara do Nascimento, casou nos , a 26.9.1831, com António de Andrade, filho de João de Andrade Nascimento e Genoveva Rosa da Conceição. Com geração. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is this Joam de Medeiros my Joao do Rego? (Rosario, La...
In a message dated 9/12/2010 2:46:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pacheco.jess...@gmail.com writes: 13 Jun 1766 he died in Rosario. (I have not translated this and do not know what it says) One of the executors of his estate was his brother Manuel do Rego Teves, so if you find the marriage of Manuel do Rego Teves, you will find who the parents are. Good luck! John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is this Joam de Medeiros my Joao do Rego? (Rosario, La...
In a message dated 9/12/2010 2:46:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pacheco.jess...@gmail.com writes: 22 Mar 1751 Maria died (also have not translated this) http://o.mfcreative.com/f1/file07/objects/5/c/d/75cd6a03-72d8-4bfc-bae6-4a2 2415d5be3-0.jpg She was 33 years old, more or less. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is this Joam de Medeiros my Joao do Rego? (Rosario, La...
In a message dated 9/12/2010 2:46:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pacheco.jess...@gmail.com writes: http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9348/rosariocasamentos171617.jpg I don't know what is being said but a few lines from the bottom you will see Joao do Rego and his wife Maria de Oliveyra mentioned. I cannot make it out too clearly but I think he is one of the witnesses along with Cabral. He digned with a cross, so he was illiterate (along with most people in those days). -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] solteira governo domestico?
In a message dated 8/31/2010 12:26:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com writes: SOLTEIRA GOVERNO DOMESTICO a single housewife. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: solteira governo domestico?
In a message dated 8/31/2010 5:34:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com writes: Thanks. Would that mean she lived alone, or that she lived with and kept house for a partner to whom she was not married? It doesn't say but you may assume alone. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for Leandro (Mello) surname
In a message dated 8/12/2010 2:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, soares.hi...@gmail.com writes: Hello, I am new to this whole family history search so please bear with me. I am trying to search for my father's family line. However, I seem to have encountered a snag. My father who is getting on in age has told me that his surname of Leandro was not the real family name. Apparently his grandfather or great grand father was Leandro de Sousa Mello and decided that he didn't want to pass on the Mello name to his children so he passed on his first name of Leandro. The entire family comes from what is now Covoada, San Miguel, Azores. However, the Village did not have it's own hurch until recently so most records were recorded either in Arrifes or Relva. I seem to have found a Leandro De Sousa Mello from Arrifes born around 1830's. But I cannot find anything between his point and when my grandmother came to America. I only know that my Grandmother, Maria Sardinha Fernandes (born in 1906) married a Jose de Sousa Leandro (born around 1900) and had 12 children, four died in infancy and the other 8 are Jose, Joao, Manuel, David, Domingos, Conceicao, Serafim, and Maria do Carmo. All eight chilldren and my grandmother came to America after she became a widow. Serafim is my father. Has anyone else come across this family line? Hilda Soares I have Leandro de Sousa Melo, son of José de Sousa Melo and Ana de Jesus who married Maria Cordeiro, daughter of Manuel dos Santos Cordeiro and Ana Narcisa in Relva a 23.9.1832 Serafins birth recird should say who his maternal and paternal grandparents were. Good luck! JMR -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Velho Cabral ancestry
Dear listers: I recently received an e-mail from our former co-lister Eloise who wanted me to share a perhaps overlooked detail about one of our most illustrious Velho Cabral ancestors: Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos, husband to Violante Velho Cabral and therefore brother-in-law to Gonçalo Velho Cabral. Many of us descend from this couple. So little is known about him and even less about his genealogy: we know only that he was the son of Martim Gonçalves de Travassos and Catarina Dias de Melo and the maternal grandson of Diogo Domingos and nothing more. He was a royal overseer and scribe. It is claimed that he died as a result of injuries suffered at the battle of Alfarrobeira on 20 May 1449, though that has been disputed. He must have been very special because he lies buried in the Monastery of Batalha, right outside the royal mausoleum. It was a rare privilege to be entombed so close to the king. He lies beneath a magnificent tomb, which is almost impossible to miss. On the wall beside his tomb is an inscription which in English is translated thus: From his tomb in Batalha: In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, Amen. In the year of our Lord Jesus Christ, one thousand four hundred.there was buried beneath this great stone, the body of Diogo Gonçalves Travassos, a knight and servant of the great King D. João of the highest and shining and enduring memory, w hose soul eternally reigns with the Holy Trinity, and of the Council of the most powerful Lord, King Afonso V, and of the Council of the most magnificent and grand lord, of laudatory prudence, the Prince D. Pedro, Duke of Coimbra, overseer of the lands of the said Lord, and tutor of the children of the most excellent prince, the Lord D. Pedro of Aragon, Constable of the Kingdom of Portugal, and of the illustrious Lords D. Jaime and D. João, his brothers... Anybody visiting mainland Portugal who descends from this couple must stop by Batalha. I always do. As one approaches the doorway to the royal mausoleum (where João I, his wife Phillipa of Lancaster and their royal progeny, including Prince Henry the Navigator are entombed), his tomb is just outside the doorway to the right. There is a rope surrounding the tomb to prevent people stepping on it. Anyone wanting to see pictures can go to http://anauel.blogspot.com/2007/02/diogo-gonalves-de-travassos-parte-2.html Thanks, Eloise! John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is Brides name?
In a message dated 7/6/2010 1:45:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net writes: Hi Rick, It says Maria da Paicham or Paichão current form (Passion in Eng) Margaret How about the modern Maria da Paixão. Paicham and Paichão would be the old spellings which is why I use current spelling. John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Reading (2) Rosario, Lagoa Marriage Records
In a message dated 7/5/2010 7:23:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, margaretvice...@gmail.com writes: John, Just to confirm what I'm reading as Manuel Pacheco TrVo is to be interpreted as Roiz? Would you mind taking another look at the attachment? It looks loke Frr.o to me, i.e. Ferreiro, shoesmith. John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral/Travassos
In a message dated 6/27/2010 7:47:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patli...@verizon.net writes: Yes, you are absolutely right. It's so unbelievable how life is, isn't it? Do you all know, the ones in this club that is, what happened before 1400 how the Cabral/Travassos's ended up in the Azores? Gonçalo Velho Cabral, the discoverer and first royal administrator of S. Miguel and Santa Maria, took at least 2 nephews with him to the islands, and a 3rd, João Soares Albergaria, succeeded him as administrator. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching PORTO FORMOSO
In a message dated 6/26/2010 9:33:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eliseuman...@sapo.pt writes: Hi Group, In order to make contacting and information sharing easier please answer to this mail just with your name. It would be very useful to us to have an organized list. Thank you in advance, eliseu John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral/Travassos
In a message dated 6/25/2010 8:02:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marekdelacr...@yahoo.com writes: Doug Rocha Holmes says that he can prove everyone from the Azores are related to each other one-way or another, marriage, etc...I believe it! I don't think that Doug can prove it, but when it comes to Azorean genealogy the trick is to find somebody that you are not related to! John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel de Sousa Massa / Ana de Jesus
In a message dated 6/18/2010 2:41:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tnkra...@roadrunner.com writes: Searching for information on the Sousa Massa family: Antonio de Sousa Massa b: 3 APR 1876 in Arrifes. Legitimate son to: Manuel de Sousa Massa ~ native of Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada, and Ana de Jesus, native of Arrifes where married and live in Ria dos Afonsos Paternal grandson of Manuel de Sousa Massa and Ana de Jesus Maternal of Manuel Carreiro and Maria das Neves. Godparents: Francisco de Sousa Massa, married, farmer and invocation of Our Lady of Health, touching the child with the Lady’s crown Antonio de Andrade,married, church’s sextant. Here is some more information. (Attached) I hope it helps. Let me know. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. Tracy.doc Description: Binary data
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel Records
In a message dated 6/20/2010 10:25:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, honora...@msn.com writes: Does anyone know if other towns in Sao Miguel will be coming online soon? My grandfather was born in Mosteiros. thanks, Ellen Do you have any information on your grandfather, i.e. his parents and grandparents, dates, etc.? I might be able to help. John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] quick check on a translation
In a message dated 6/18/2010 12:32:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pacheco.jess...@gmail.com writes: Hi everyone. I was wondering if someone could tell me whether or not I was correct about this. In the attached image, for Jose da Costa, is it saying that his grandparents are Jacintho da Costa e Maria de Jesus and Antonio de Medeiros Cabrinha(? not sure if that's correct) e Helena de Jesus? You are correct. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferreira Belo and Piques from Ribeira Grande
In a message dated 6/16/2010 5:45:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eliseuman...@sapo.pt writes: Hi Group, Does anyone has any information on João Ferreira Belo married to Maria Manoel around 1600’s at Ribeira Grande? They had Maria Ferreira or Maria de Sousa married to Manoel Rodrigues Piques in Matriz de Nossa Senhora da Estrella, Ribeira Grande, 11 Oct 1681. Thank you in advance, eliseu Here is what I have for what it is worth: Ahnentafel Chart for Maria Ferreira First Generation 1. Maria Ferreira . Maria married Manuel Rodrigues Piques on 11 Oct 1681 in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. Manuel was born in Ribeira Crande. Second Generation 2. João Ferreira Botelho .João married Maria Manuel on 20 Jun 1666 in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 3. Maria Manuel . P. 278 CM: center Third Generation 4. Domingos Fernandes .Domingos married Bárbara Ferreira. 5. Bárbara Ferreira . 6. Miguel Dias .Miguel married Maria Manuel on 23 Jan 1642 in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 7. Maria Manuel . Fourth Generation 12. Manuel Dias .Manuel married Catarina Jorge on 23 Jan 1600 in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 13. Catarina Jorge . 14. Gaspar Rebelo .Gaspar married Maria Manuel. 15. Maria Manuel . Fifth Generation 24. João Dias .João married Maria Francisca on 29 Sep 1577 in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 25. Maria Francisca . 26. Jorge Fernandes .Jorge married Beatriz Afonso. 27. Beatriz Afonso . Sixth Generation 48. João Gonsalves .João married Maria Afonso. 49. Maria Afonso . 50. Baltazar Gonsalves .Baltazar married Andreza Francisca. 51. Andreza Francisca . -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] 16th great grandparents
Diogo Gonsalves de Travassos and Violante Velho are the 16th great grandparents of John Miranda Raposo. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Violante Velho Cabral: Correction.
In the attatchment, line 2, it should read children of Fernão Velho and Maria Álvares Cabral. He was a warrior-monk in the Order of . Sorry about that. John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation ---arreiro? What is it?
In a message dated 5/31/2010 2:21:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, avm6...@bak.rr.com writes: Terri, I have an old dictionary and it shows, Arreiar.. to dress; to harness, to saddle, to adorn one's self. It also has the word Arreio, horse-harness; dress. -s, horse-trappings. Another... arreiro, harness; decorations. Arlene M. A carroceiro is a wagoneer, cater, porter. An arrieiro is a sadle and harness maker. In some cases it can mean a groom, as in someone in charge of the horses. John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Brigantin Ranalho d'Oliveira of Ferrterias Sao M...
In a message dated 5/3/2010 12:59:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thomas.deco...@usmc.mil writes: Is my GGGrandfather - Does anybody already have him in Their Tree b. between 1850-1880? Dear Thom: I am sure you must know that he is the great grandfather of Iris Cabral. That line goes way back to João de Oliveira and Ana Gonsalves of Feteiras, probably married around 1625. Best regards, John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] [NG] RI Heritage Hall of Fame inductee
In a message dated 4/26/2010 5:49:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cabras...@aol.com writes: He is a great man. I just bought his book anabout Cristovao Colon and he was kind enough to sign it for me! Dr. da Silva is indeed a great man. I have bought all his books and have admired him for many years. It saddens me that this great man has decided to launch on his web-site (www.dightonrock.com: My number-one enemy) a vicious, petty, unprofessional and undignidied attack on another great Azorean-American, Brown University Professor Onésimo Almeida. A house divided against itself cannot stand. John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for Jacinta Emilia Soares in Ribeira Ch...
In a message dated 4/25/2010 9:15:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, terr...@rogers.com writes: I thought that if i wanted anything from the archives, i had to actually go there physically. Would staff there search something for you if you asked? And i suppose i should be sending Euro's to cover the cost of the photocopy and the stamp. Have many people tried requesting and been successful at getting info back? Would two requests be too much at one time? I've requested and received information back many times. The staff will look for a specific record, in a specific parish, usually for a time period not greater than 2 years before or after an estimated date. So if your guess is 1750, in Ribeirinha, they might look between 1748 to 1752 only in Ribeirinha (not the neighboring patishes), but no further. I always send dollars. I do not know what the current charges are. You can request more than one record. Their task, among others, is to respond to your request for a copy of something they have. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: FW: [AZORES-Genealogy] Calouro from Ribeira Grande
In a message dated 4/25/2010 11:13:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patli...@verizon.net writes: ncredible! That's my cousin, Padre Antonio and my gggrandfathers. The Antonio's is my lines coming down. I'm wondering if Engineer Furtado is related as well on my other line. This is so exciting. Based on what I have, he does not appear to be related. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SAO MIGUEL and SANTA MARIA d'Andrade Caggarinho/Cagaro
In a message dated 4/25/2010 7:20:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pacheco.jess...@gmail.com writes: I have an ancestor Maria da Ressureicao d'Andrade b. 1888. Her siblings include Jose (~1877), Frank (~1882 m. Jovina) and Antonio (~1892). Their parents were Antonio d'Andrade Caggarinho and Maria Jose. I'm not 100% certain about her surname but I think it was Moniz Botelho. May have also been Moniz, Botelho, or Luiz, I have some conflicts. In seeing passenger lists and going through the Rosario obitos transcribed by Hermano, I've seen a lot of d'Andrade Caggarinho/Cagarros moving between Sao Miguel and Santa Maria. I was wondering if anyone had researched this surname or had any connection to it. Cagarro is an Azorean idiomatic expression synonymous for Mariense, i.e., someone originating in Santa Maria. John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for Jacinta Emilia Soares in Ribeira Cha, S...
In a message dated 4/23/2010 9:48:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, terr...@rogers.com writes: I have decided to try and turn my focus onto my mom's side of the family although i have very little info to go on. I am hoping that someone on the list can help me with info from Ribeira Cha. Jacinta Emilia Soares born circa 1870 in the freguesia of Ribeira Cha, concelho of Lagoa in Sao MIguel Azores. She died circa 1916? in Praia de Agua d'Alto in Sao Miguel Azores. Her parents names were Francisco Soares and Rosa de Jesus. Another shot in the dark for me...but i thought i would try. Have you asked the Archives in Ponta Delgada to see if they can find the birth/baptismal records? If your information is close to accurate, i.e., the dates are within a two year margin on either side, if the names of the parents are very close to accurate and the places of birth are absolutely accurate, then you stand a very good chance that they will find it for you and mail you a photocopy of the original record. A birth or baptismal record from that time period (there would be a birth recorded by the Registo Civil and a baptismal record from the church) should contain the names of all four grandparents. Because the record is more than a century old it is stored at the Public Library and Archives in Ponta Delgada. If you do send for a copy, just ask for a simple photocopy. There is no need to pay all kinds of extra costs for verified, certified, sealed copies unless you need an official birth/death certificate for legal purposes. Good luck! John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Calouro from Ribeira Grande
Recently there was some inquiries/talk about the Calouros of Ribeira Grande on the list. I was reading Memórias da Ponte dos Oito Arcos da Ribeira Grande (Mário Fernando Oliveira Moura, Instituto Cultural de Ponta Delgada: 1996) and on pp. 298-299 it states: Meste António de Sousa Calouro--one of the bridge workmen The deposition of Father António Rocha on 19 Jan 1996: I am 72 years old and was born in 1923. My paternal grandfather, António de Sousa Calouro, known as Cardão) died in 1916 at almost 70 years old. He died before the war ended. He worked for the town's public works department. According to my mother, his oldest daughter, he had worked not only on the bridge, but also on the garden and the market. And the house of Outeiro de Nossa Senhora da Conceição, on the right, heading up, in a house belonging to a Paiva family that moved to Ponta Delgada, the house where Mr. Círio and where Engineer Furtado now lives, was built by him. I do not know any other details. These Cardão folks were a family of project laborers. He used to say that the projects that came through Mr. Rego Lima were always of more interest and greater profit than those that came through Mr. Serpa which had tighter budgets and were less lucrative. My uncles, Manuel, Jacinto, José and António Pedro, to distinguish him from my grandfather António, were all stone masons. My mother, who died 12 years ago, aged 91, told me that the owner of the house where Dr, Jorge Gamboa de Vasconcelos lived on S. Francisco Street, Mr. Frederico Serpa, was on the board of the Public Works Department in Ribeira Grande. He lived there until retiring and moving away to Ponta Delgada to live with his daughter D. Maria da Glória, married to Colonel Serpa Afonso. She would say that her father, Mestre António Cardão, workman of the town's public works under the direction of Frederico de Serpa, had worked on the bridge. Maybe this helps somebody. John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] my grandfather was a sheep man from the Azores
In a message dated 4/21/2010 3:42:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mdennissand...@yahoo.com writes: My grandfather Manual and his bro Julius came over here from about 1899. My grandfather changed his last name to SANDERS. why the name of Sanders. is there a name in Portuges close to Sanders? he had sheep in the town in Oregon called Lake Vew. there was a pond where he used to water his sheep..after awhile they called it the manual or julius pond! Michael Dennis Sanders My colleague Barry Sanders says his great-grandfather's name was Santos! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: need eyes, too
In a message dated 4/20/2010 8:39:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jro...@rogers.com writes: They did not receive the blessings because it was at a time that was prohibited. This is common enough and usually means they are marrying or asking for the blessing at a prohibited religious time. The rest is simply the regular reference to the record as above. Those times are usually Advent and Lent. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: need eyes, too
-- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.---BeginMessage--- In a message dated 4/20/2010 12:39:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jro...@rogers.com writes: This is a question best answered by John M Raposo, since I do not recall the periods in question. But to my knowledge, this was never a real barrier to marrying. It is more a case, that most people just wanted to observe their religious duties if they could. Moreover, since most could not read, they did not know what the priest wrote, though certainly if they observed the faith, they would know if something was not quite right. Before Vatican II marriages were not performed during the closed seasons, i.e. Lent and Advent, except for very special reasons, e.g., the bride had discovered that she was pregnant, the groom was about to go off to war, as well as other reasons. In these cases the marriage was either performed in the rectory with only the witnesses and the bridal couple present, or without fanfare (e.g. organ, lights, flowers, etc) in the church. I remember as an altar boy, about 50 years ago, being asked by the priest to remain after the Saturday morning mass. I had no idea why. Once people had left the church, 2 men and two women appeared in the sacristy. We then moved out to the sanctuary. The bridal couple knelt, the priest performed the marriage ceremony with no mass, no lights, nor organ, and the couple left quietly. I asked Father why they were married in that way. His response: Their situation does not allow for any piblic celebration... ---End Message---
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
In a message dated 3/31/2010 3:46:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps the priest. Most don't give a lot of detail (the supply of paper and ink could be one factor). I remember sitting once with George Pacheco in N.Dartmouth and I found a baptism that didn't follow the norm. George took a look and in the baptism the priest documented that he asked the mother 3 times who the father was and she stated every time she didn't know, but that the priest felt that she did indeed know who the father of her baby was. And he wrote something to that effect in the document. Another time, on a marriage, there was a line that didn't follow the norm (or it was the first time that I had ancestors get married around Easter). It said that they had fulfilled their Lenten duties or something like that. In this particular case I would venture to guess that the priest had heard the annual obligatory Easter Duty confession of the father and the priest may very well have known who the father was. But, because he was bound by the seal of confession, he could never confront the child's mother and tell her that so and so had told him in confession that he had fathered a child with... Those small villages had one (maybe 2) priests. They knew everybody personally, and since Easter Duty was obligatory, they heard everybody's confession every year. They knew who was having illicit sex with whom. They knew who had abandoned their baby. Those priests must have suppressed smiles when they recorded pai não sabido. Happy Easter! John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
In a message dated 3/31/2010 5:49:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Thanks for shedding some light on that! I knew that many people in the village probably knew who the father was, but it never dawned on me that the priest heard it in confession. Thanks for sharing. Boy, if only they had not been bound by the seal of the confessional...so many genealogical dead ends would have been solved! Happy Easter! John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a name needed.
In a message dated 3/12/2010 8:00:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, carab...@aol.com writes: I was wondering if someone could help me with a name. I don't know if it is a name or occupation. I found it attached to my ggg-grandfather's name. His name is listed as Manoel Goularte Jorge (various spellings) on some records, then on others he is listed as Manoel Goularte Manabo or Manoel Gularte Mbo. Is Manabo a name or an occupation? I haven't seen Manabo before. He is from Pico I haven't spent a lot of time before this on Pico films. His parents were Manoel Gularte Jorge Eugenia Roza. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Sherry I think it might be mancebo, the youth, the younger, a minor, etc. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da
In a message dated 2/26/2010 6:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: As a kid, I was told something about De vs de being royalty. That's not the way Portuguese grammar works. de basically means of. da would be the equivalent of the English contraction of the (with the next word ending in a signifying feminine). da musica (of the music - music ends in a so you use da). do would be the equivalent of the English contraction of the (with the next word ending in o signifying masculine). do carro (of the car - car ends in o so you use do). d' is one of those things where you put the apostrophe when you're missing a letter. In English, that would be in words such as don't. The d' in Portuguese is either de da or do, depending on the next word. di I think is Italian. I've had a couple of Italian kids in my class and I seem to remember their names being Di Whatever. de, da, do in Portuguese isn't capitalized. We don't capitalize prepositions in English and they don't seem to do it in Portuguese. However, when someone who is not born in the U.S. (and possibly Canada) comes into the new country and says that their last name is da Costa the person (who was schooled English to capital last names) writes Da Costa because they were taught to capitalize last names. I don't have my Portuguese grammar books handy, so I'm remembering this off the top of my head. The native speakers will be able to correct what I'm not remembering correctly. Your explanation is exactly correct. I will add only one additional piece of information. Some years ago the government decided that the Portuguese were getting carried away with too many family names and issued a decree that all birth registries would be limited as to how many family names could be taken. You can imagine the consternation of the blue bloods! And they found an easy way around that by using de and e and hyphens to make two names out of several. Let us imagine that I come from a long line of blue bloods and my mother's family are the Oliveira Soares and Pacheco Mirandas and my father's lined are the Raposos and Vasconcelos. My father tries to register me as João Miguel Oliveira Soares Pacheco Miranda de Vasconcelos Raposo but the registrar points out that I can have only two family names, so I become João Miguel Soares de Miranda e Raposo de Vasconcelos!!! When I take on genealogical research, whenever I come on somebody with half a dozen last names I know that I am probably on the way to discovering a line of landed gentry. John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 13 Messages in 5
In a message dated 2/16/2010 8:32:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, bretanha1...@gmail.com writes: John is this tome Raposo and Victoria Melo related to you? No. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 13 Messages in 5
In a message dated 2/11/2010 10:22:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, margaretvice...@gmail.com writes: Marcos and John, I came across a Thome Rapozo marriage date 11-July-1736. The record says he is a widower of Maria do Nascimento and that he's marrying Victoria de Mello. I'm attaching the jpg for you to take a look. Thank you so much Margaret! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 8 Messages in 6
In a message dated 2/3/2010 10:17:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, margaretvice...@gmail.com writes: my m # 19 Sara Placido DOB: 02 Sep 1856 Sao Jose, PD parents: #38.Francisco da Rocha, natural of Sao Jose and #39.Maria do Carmo natural of Sam Jorge. paternal gp: Jose da Rocha x Balbina Roza maternal gp: # 78.Jose Antonio de Miranda, veteran soldier and # 79.Anna Florinda. Margaret, I do not have these folks in my data base. Could they be from S. Jorge? I ask because their daughter, Maria do Carmo, is from S. Jorge. I have done some extensive research on the Mirandas from S. Miguel, only. Sorry! John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 8 Messages in 6
In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:19:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, margaretvice...@gmail.com writes: Marcos, hi. Just to give you an update on the Raposo research results which now will turn in another direction. I did find my Antonio Raposo de Arruda but he is not from Arrifes. His birth place was MOSTEIROS. However, I will have to continue researching Sao Jose-PD for it has mushroomed on my dad's branch to a long list of new family names; Miranda, da Rocha, de Mello, de Sousa, Sam Jose etc. I will continue to be on the lookout for Tome Raposo and the others. Take care, Margaret: I've done some extensive research on the Mirandas of S. Miguel. Let me know about your Miranda ancestor and I will check it against my data base. John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records
In a message dated 1/14/2010 1:12:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, tish.me...@gmail.com writes: Hi, You have made my year... and it's only Jan. 13th! I can now go to FHC and photograph those records. I'm sure my cousin will be overjoyed, too. Thank you oh so much, Tish Could this be the people you are looking for? 7 - Manuel de Sousa Figueiredo, capt, m. 1st time in Vila do Porto to Isabel de Chaves Meneses, and the 2nd time in Vila do Porto on ?.5.1716 to Isabel Nunes de Braga, From the first marriage: 8 - Margarida de Chaves orde Sousa, married in Vila do Porto on 21.9.1709 ro capt. Manuel de Sousa Resendes 8 - Isabel de Chaves Meneses, 8 - Maria Josefa de Figueiredo, married in Vila do Porto on 30.7.1727 to Diogo Velho de Sousa If it is let me know. I may be able to help. John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records
In a message dated 1/14/2010 3:05:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tish.me...@gmail.com writes: Hi,You are right on. These are the people I am looking for. I have yet to really look at much of Vila do Porto on the films, but after my cataract surgery next week my husband and I will look in earnest. Thank you very much, Tish Here is what I have; it took me 3 hours to extract it all and type it in this e-mail; I hope it helps. The primary source is Rodrigo Rodrigues. Good luck! John Miranda Raposo 1 - Domingos Fernandes, knight, as noted on the will he made with his wife in Vila do Porto on 2.9.1560 (or 1562 ?). Native of Madeira, among the first settlers in Santo Espírito, (See Frutuoso, Livro III, Cap.º V) maybe a grandson of Genes Curvelo Married in Santa Maria to Margarida Afonso, daughter of Duarte Nunes Velho (See (Sanches de Baena, Archivo Heraldico-Genealógico, pp. 636); They had: 2 - Marquesa Fernandes, made her will on 18.2.1583 in Santa Maria, with her husband Baltazar Velho de Andrade 2 - Manuel Fernandes Faleiro, second son of his father, made a will on 16.1.1596. (See Frutuoso Livro III, Cap.º V). He was first married to Bárbara Velho and then to Maria Velho, a Velha. By his second wife he had: 3 - Helena Fernandes de Melo or Velho was first married in Vila Porto em 1600, to Fernão Vaz de Santo Espírito (?) and the 2nd time in Matriz de Vila Porto on 23.9.1609, to Manuel Pires Faleiro, son of Domingos Pires de Chaves and Clara Melõa or Manuel granddaughter of Manuel Pires do Campo. From her 2nd husband: 4 - Manuel de Melo Chaves, living in Flor da Rosa and married to Maria de Magalhães Bettencourt. They had: 4 - Margarida de Chaves, married in Matriz de Vila Porto in 1661 to António Soares de Sousa Falcão They had: 5 - Isabel de Chaves, married to Manuel de Sousa Figueiredo. 1 - João da Fonte das Cortes, one of the first settlers in Santa Maria (See Frutuoso Liv.º II Cap.º III § XIX). Married Inês Afonso. Parents of: 2 - Álvaro da Fonte, o Velho, a judge in Vila do Porto, on 25.11.1519 (See Arquivo dos Açores Vol. I p. 72 and Vid. Frutuoso, Liv.º III Chapters III § XIX V § XVIII, Cap.º IX § II and Liv.º IV Chapter XIII § I. He had by one of his two wives: 3 - Inês de Fontes, married Baltazar Curvelo, o Gago, of Almagreira. They had: 4 - Manuel Curvelo, married Isabel Gonçalves de Moura. They had: 5 - António Curvelo de Moura, married in Vila do Porto on 21.3.1612 to Catarina Meloa, daughter of Domingos Pires de Chaves and Clara Meloa. Parents of: 6 - Francisco Curvelo de Moura married 1st in Vila do Porto on 9.10.1645 to Maria de Andrade, daughter of Manuel Curvelo Faleiro and Isabel de Andrade Velho and then to Serafina de Figueiredo. By the 2nd wife: 7 - Manuel de Sousa Figueiredo, Capt., who married 1st in Vila do Porto to Isabel de Chaves Meneses, and then in Vila do Porto on ?.5.1716 to Isabel Nunes de Braga, --- 1 - Fernão Velho, knight in the order if Santiago, son of Gonçalo Velho, [see Crónica de D. Dinis, Livro III, pp. 7 v.º ] (bastard of João Velho de Santa Logriça) and his wife Margarida Anes de Urró. He married Maria Álvares Cabral, daughter of Álvaro Gil Cabral, and ? Figueiredo daughter of Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo. Parents of: 2 - Violante Velho Cabral lived in Portugal where she married Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos, (Forrester of Prince D. Pedro, Duke of Coimbra) son of Martim Gonçalves de Travassos, a nobleman of Portugal and Catarina Dias de Melo, (See Frutuoso Livro IV, Cap.º 3.º) Parents of: 3 - Nuno Velho de Travassos or Nuno Velho Cabral, who came as a child to Santa Maria with his uncle Gonçalo Velho Cabral. Married for the first time in S. Miguel to Isabel Afonso, for the 2nd time on S. Miguel to África Anes, who came with her father Gonçalo Anes, of Cernandessa, Portugal, to Santa Maria, By his 2nd wife he had: 4 - Duarte Nunes Velho, knight, resident of Malbusca, made his will as a widower on 18.10.1554, when he was more than 90 years old. Married in Portugal for the first time to Isabel Fernandes, and then to Catarina Gonçalves, daughter of Gonçalo Álvares (See Frutuoso, Livro III, Caps. III, V, VI, XII, XVI, XVII, XVIII e Livro IV, Cap. III). 4 - Grimanesa Afonso de Melo married (Frutuoso, Livro. III, Cap.º III). Lourenço Anes de Sá Leonardes, native of Praia, Ilha Terceira, They had : 5 - Briloanja Nunes (See Sanches de Baena, Carta de Brasão de Armas, Archivo Heraldico-Genealógico, p. 636). Married in S. Miguel com Manuel Romeiro, o Velho. They had: 6 - Manuel Romeiro Velho, capt., married to Maria Velho de Melo. They had: 7 -
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 8 Messages in 6
In a message dated 1/12/2010 8:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, rapos...@gmail.com writes: Margaret, Here is what I know about the sons of Tomé Raposo (who died before 1734) and Sebastiana da Costa. In the marriage record of their son António it says that Tomé and Sebastiana were from Arrifes: Antonio Raposo married Vitoria Cordeiro, daughter of Bartolomeu Afonso Sardinha and Teresa Ferreira in Relva, 1721. Since men used to first marry at 25, let's take 1696 as his probable year of birth. Vitoria died and Antonio married Maria de São José, who was the daughter of Manuel de Teves, of S. Antonio Além Capelas, and Maria de Souza, of S. José - Ponta Delgada, where the marriage took place in 1744. Pedro Raposo, christened in Patriarch S. José, married Antonia de Souza, christened in S. Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, daughter of André de Souza and Luzia de Almeida, in S. Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, 1734. Supposing Pedro to be 25 then, he should have been born around 1709. Gonçalo Raposo, christened in S. José, Ponta Delgada, married Maria Pereira, of Bretanha, daughter of José Carvalho and Maria Pereira, in S. Antonio Além Capelas in 1735. It's reasonable to suppose he was born by 1710. Silvestre Raposo, christened in S. José, Ponta Delgada, married Joana Botelho, daughter of Amaro Botelho and Francisca Pacheco in S. Antonio Além Capelas 1n 1739. Let's assume Silvestre was born in 1714. After her death, he married Bárbara Medeiros, christened in S. Antonio Além Capelas , daughter of Domingos de Souza and Teresa da Costa, in 1743, in that same parish. Except for my gfather Pedro, all the above information is the result of a research by John Miranda Raposo. Hope you will come across something. If you Raposos are from Arrifes, as mine, there should be a connection somehow. Thank you, so much, Marcos. P.S. - I've checked the Almanak Laemmert of Rio de Janeiro from 1880 to 1889 in quest for your José Pimentel, who arived here in 1880. Unfortunately, he was not be found. That doesn't mean he wasn't here, it only means he did not hold a position of visibility yet. There is also their son Domingos Raposo born in S. José, who married Antónia Carvalho, also of S. José along with her parents, Domingos Dias and Maria Carvalho, on 27 April 1730 in S. José. John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NESBITT family in Azores
In a message dated 1/2/2010 8:52:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, robyn...@gmail.com writes: Hi listers, I'm posting this on both the Azores and Portuguese groups as I need help from both, so I hope this doesn't cause a problem. A few months ago I requested and was kindly given some information about an English family, the NESBITTS, living on Sao Miguel in the early 19th century. There was a Dr John NESBITT who in 1806 got into trouble with the law for, I think, smuggling - I found it hard to understand the documents from the Arquivo. I just used an on-line translation site and it wasn't all that good. I haven't been able to find out much about him - whether he stayed in the Azores or went elsewhere after the court case. I found one reference to him about his house and garden, known as Pico Do Salomão or Nesbitt's Pico. This was later bought by the Bensaude family. My great great grandfather was John Augustus NESBITT. who came here to Australia in 1855 and worked on a farm. On the birth certificate for one of his children he said he was born in Sao Miguel around 1832 and that his father was George Augustus NESBITT, Harbourmaster. I can't find anything for a harbourmaster but plenty for a George NESBITT that was probably the son of Dr NESBITT. A distant cousin found me (through Google) and he has an old letter from a George Augustus NESBITT dated 1858 addressed from Sao Miguel. By that time a few of his children were living in Lisbon and he had wanted to go there too to stay with his son Charles and daughter-in-law, but they had died in Lisbon of yellow fever the previous year. This letter was written to John Augustus NESBITT who was already in Australia. George's children (all born in Sao Miguel) appear to be: 1. Maria, born in S. Pedro de Ponta Delgada on 4.7.1825 and baptized there on 14 Aug 2. Carlos Nesbitt, born on 18.10.1832 (died 10 Nov 1857, Lisbon) 3. Eduardo Nesbit, born S. Pedro de P. Delgada, married, age 29, on 23.4.1862 to Maria José Moreira da Câmara. But no John or João shows in any record that I've found. I have found it very difficult to work out who was married to who - there seems to have been at least two Georges (Jorge) and possibly three Johns (João) in Sao Miguel over a period of about 50 years. And several Isabels - I have records of a John and a George marrying Elizabeths in England before coming to the Azores and I've been told that Elizabeth and Isabel are interchangable. But I've also been told that a Jorge married a local woman, Isabel URION. I'm having a lot of trouble untangling them. Should I get a local professional researcher to sort it out? My distant cousin also had some photographs of George - one taken in 1863 and an earlier one shown wearing medals - on the back is written G. A. Nesbitt, Belgian Consul, South America, Knighted with the Order of the Rose by the Emperor of Brazil. I've attached the photos. How would I best follow this up? Does anyone know if there is an English language list for Brazil? Here is the little that is contained in Genealogias de S. Miguel e Santa Maria. Sorry I can't be of more assistance. Jorge Augusto Nesbitt and Maria Cândida Curado, residents of S. Pedro de Ponta Delgada. were the parents if the following: Jorge Augusto Nesbitt, born in Fajã de Baixo in 1847 and married in Matriz de Ponta Delgada on 6.9.1869 to Joana Clara de Oliveira Freitas, age 22 , native of the same parish, daugher of Inácio Fortunato de Freitas, native of Valença and Flora Hermínia de Oliveira, narive of Nordeste. Maria Luisa Nesbitt, wife of António Alfredo Teixeira Of this Nesbitt family of English origin, João Nesbit, a physician with a degree from Aberdeen, (Vid. Arquivo dos Açores, Vol.º XI pp. 345 - 351), was living in Ponta Delgada in 1806. In Matriz de Ponta Delgada where she was born, Isabel Augusta Nesbitt, daughter of Jorge Nesbitt and Maria Wilisson, married Jorge Augusto Nesbitt, son of João Nesbitt e Isabel Nesbitt (Vid. Dr. Francisco de Ataide M. de Faria e Maia, Capitães Generais, p. 131 ). Jorge Augusto Nesbitt and his wife, Isabel Augusta had the following children: 1.º Maria, born in S. Pedro de Ponta Delgada on 4.7.1825 and baptized on 14.8.1825. 2.º Carlos Nesbitt, born 18.10.1832. 3.º Eduardo Nesbit, born in S. Pedro de P. Delgada in 1833 and married in the same parish on 23.4.1862 to Maria José Moreira da Câmara, daughter of António Moreira da Câmara Coutinho de Melo Cabral, and Ana Felisberta Botelho de Gusmão, paternal granddaughter of Tomé Inácio Moreira da Câmara Melo Cabral and Francisca Tomázia de Arruda e Melo Botelho and maternal granddaughter of José Bento Botelho de Arruda Coutinho de Gusmão and Teresa Claudina Botelho de Gusmão. (For more on these Nesbitt vsee also Arquivo dos Açores, Vol. X p. 409). -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sanders - Mello
In a message dated 12/22/2009 10:33:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, bellema...@gmail.com writes: I have a maiden name Jennie Sanders listed as b. 1858 in Faial, came to US ca 1875. On her sons marriage record, she is listed as Jennie Sanders. On his death record, she is listed as Jennie Mello. On other children's marriage record, she is listed as Jennie Sanders. Where would this Sanders name fit in with Portuguese genealogy? Anyone else seen this as a Portuguese surname? Thanks. E Santos, maybe? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unknown location in Sao Miguel
In a message dated 12/23/2009 1:36:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, ja...@cdmmarketing.com writes: Hi Everybody, Hopefully someone out there can help me with this. On my g grandmother's death certificate, it says that her and her parents place of birth was Feigao, Sao Miguel. I cannot find any kind of reference to any place by this name. That of course doesn't mean it doesn't or didn't exist. Especially since I am so new to looking for my portuguese roots outside the US. Have any of you heard of this place or know how I can find out more about it? Thanks in advance for your help. Merry Christmas JC Maybe Fajã (de Baixo or Cima). -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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A Christmas Eve Letter — by Fra Giovanni Giocondo Fra Giovanni Giocondo (c.1435–1515) was a Renaissance pioneer, accomplished as an architect, engineer, antiquary, archaeologist, classical scholar, and Franciscan friar. Today we remember him most for his reassuring letter to Countess Allagia Aldobrandeschi on Christmas Eve, 1513. There is nothing I can give you which you have not got; but there is much, very much, that, while I cannot give it, you can take. No Heaven can come to us unless our hearts find rest in it today. Take Heaven! No peace lies in the future which is not hidden in this present little instant. Take peace! The gloom of the world is but a shadow. Behind it, yet within our reach, is joy. There is radiance and glory in the darkness, could we but see; and to see, we have only to look. I beseech you to look. Life is so generous a giver, but we, judging its gifts by their covering, cast them away as ugly or heavy or hard. Remove the covering, and you will find beneath it a living splendor, woven of love, by wisdom, with power. Welcome it, grasp it, and you touch the Angel's hand that brings it to you. Everything we call a trial, a sorrow, or a duty: believe me, that angel's hand is there; the gift is there, and the wonder of an overshadowing Presence. Our joys, too: be not content with them as joys, they too conceal diviner gifts. Life is so full of meaning and of purpose, so full of beauty—beneath its covering—that you will find that earth but cloaks your heaven. Courage, then to claim it: that is all! But courage you have; and the knowledge that we are pilgrims together, wending through unknown country, home. And so, at this Christmas time, I greet you; not quite as the world sends greetings, but with profound esteem, and with the prayer that for you, now and forever, the day breaks and the shadows flee away. May the Christmas season bring joy to you and those you love. John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Vital family
In a message dated 12/2/2009 10:07:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, lagoe...@hotmail.com writes: Hello Your ancestors are most likely from Lagoa (Agua de Pau, Rosario, Santa Cruz). I know of a Jacinto do Rego Vital (fisherman), son of Manuel do Rego Vital and Jacinta Candida Talhavento, married to a Maria Isabel Cabral daughter of Jacintho Cabral de Melo and Maria Joaquina de Jesus Correia, 7 nov 1895 in Santa Cruz, Lagoa. I hope that helps? Hermano There is nothing likely about it, Hermano, you have it exactly right! What a great find for curbalejo-- and all on the first attempt! Yours' is just another example of how generous and helpful list members can be with information. Have a great holiday season. JMR -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Vital family
In a message dated 12/2/2009 4:43:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, curbal...@gmail.com writes: Hello! I am researching my family geneology. My Grandma Alexandria Vital was born in Capelas, Soa Miguel but I found out that most likely the Vital family was in the Village called Bretanha in Porta Delgado. Her parents were Jacinto Rego Vital and Maria Isebelle Cabral, her sisters were Mary, Sofia, Lousia and Francelina. Oh and great great Grandparents Manuel Joaquina Cabral from Soa Miguel too, but the other side is with only the last names Vital Candida? My family immigrated to the Bay Area in California in the early 1900's when my grandmother was about 11. Any help, thanks!! I can tell you that the name Vital does not appear in any of the birth and marriage records of Bretanha. I think that you will eventually find that your family descends from Vital do Rego, born in 1627 in Lagoa, married in 1658 to Maria Henriques. Cândida is not a family name; it is part of a first name, e.g., Maria Cândida. Perhaps Maria Isabel Cabral was from Bretanha. If you have your grandmother's date of birth, you could send for her birth certificate, It will contain the name of her parents and grandparents, perhaps the ages of her parents when she was born as well as their places of birth and those of their parents. I wish I could offer more help. If you find more specific information, I might be able to help. Good luck! I John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ebay--Pics of Azoreans
In a message dated 11/20/2009 3:42:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, pacheco.jess...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I found the photos on ebay. They are probably no relation of mine though they look similar to some, haha. I have ancestors who also had photographs taken at A M Estrella studio. Could you please give more information such as where you found these and if there is anything written on the backs. Also, please try to make copies or scans of them. Old family photographs are so rare and once they are gone, they are gone forever. I think you can have scans and copies made at places like CVS if you don't own a scanner. A.M. Estrella was the photographer of the Portuguese immigrants in the Fall River area circa 1900-1930. He had a studio on Bay Street and was orininally from Vila Franca (I think). He took a wedding photo of my grandparents in 1910. John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, ...
In a message dated 11/12/2009 11:17:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, cnsp...@aol.com writes: Eric, I would be interested in sharing for the Pico one also. Please understand that the islands are not separated into volumes. The genealogies are organized alphabetically from A-Z by family names, not by island. So, there will be no such thing as consulting the Pico volume. John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madruga family
In a message dated 11/11/2009 3:37:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes: Please forgive me for hijacking this thread… I’ve just “returned to the living” after getting out of bed for the first time since last Friday with the dreaded H1N1. This message was the first thing that I saw when opening up email. It’s also the first time I’ve seen mention of Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas being used for research since it became available at the end of the summer. I’ve not been fortunate enough to be in a position to purchase the set. Is there any similar info (to what is below for the Madruga family) for the Fraga family? My Fraga’s are from Corvo, and I’ve seen many that are from Flores as well. I’ve long suspected a common link somewhere way down the line, and that Fraga’s on both islands share a common ancestor way back. I was curious if anyone had the volumes and could take a peek. It would be greatly appreciated! Jay Fraga Massachusetts There are 4 separate Fraga lines in Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, Corvo, Jorge Forjaz and António Ornelas Mendes, Dislivro-Histórica, Lisbon: 2009. : António de Fraga, married to Isabel Rodrigues, was a native of Braga. He went to Flores between 1508-1510 in the colonization organized by Pedro da Fonseca. In the same company went his brother Pedro de Fraga, married to Margarida Rodrigues and her brothers Miguel and Álvaro Rodrigues. Francisco de Fraga lived in Flores and was married to Lucrécia Privado. José de Fraga and his wife Isabel de Freitas lived in Fajã Grande, Flores, circa 1750. Isabel de Fraga was born about 1690 and died in Matriz-Horta on 6 Sep 1762; She married Manuel Luís who was born in Flamengos and died in Matriz on 9 Oct 1757. John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, Co...
In a message dated 11/12/2009 7:20:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, laurafitzpatrick2...@yahoo.com writes: Hi, Has anyone purchased these books? If so can you tell me if they are worth the € 250 ( $375.00) that is being charged on the DisLivro site? Are the volumes being sold anywhere else that anyone knows about? I looked through the list of names mentioned in the volumes on the DisLivro site and didn't see some I would be interested in (Maciel, Vieira) but did see Ferreira (my maiden name) mentioned. €250 is a lot of money and I want to see if anyone can tell me about these volumes before I decide to purchase. Thanks Laura In my view this series (the 4 islands, Terceira, Rodrigo Rodrigues and the 2 other islands which are bound to follow) are an excellent investment for a professional genealogist who will recoup the investment over time by charging for his/her research. I'll bet that when all is said and done the entire 9-island set would cost well over $3,000.00 if you can get the complete set. John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madruga family
In a message dated 11/11/2009 1:07:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, vchris1...@yahoo.com writes: Hello Maggie, I was told my Becky Madruga that all the Madruga's are related. I have relatives here in San Diego but have not yet done that line. I know Becky has done her line back to 1700's. Manoel Goularte Gracia Madruga born about 1700 in Sao Matheus, Pico, Acores is Generation 1. From there it goes to Generation 7 and lots of names. I can contact Becky Madruga and give her your email address if you would like more information on that line. Let me know. Vivian All of the Madrugas descend from André Gonçalves Madruga, the elder, born in Faial (see Maldonado, Fénix Angrence, Parte Genealógica, p.201) and died in Angra (Sé) on 15-11-1558 (Idem.) Frutuoso says he lived between S. Mateus and Negrito. He married Isabel Dias Rodovalho, daughter of Diogo Vaz Rodovalho, who lived in Viana do Alentejo and died between 1512 and 1523 and Maria Esteves Cansado, who died between 1523 and 1527. See also Genealogias da Ilha Terceira: (Rodovalho: §1 Nº5, (Forjaz and Mendes, Dislivro-Histórica, Lisbon: 2007) The above is from Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, Corvo, Jorge Forjaz and António Ornelas Mendes, Dislivro-Histórica, Lisbon: 2009. I hope this helps. John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Alcunha meaning
In a message dated 10/25/2009 11:01:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, margaretvice...@gmail.com writes: The origin of the name is toponymic in nature, originating in Castela (Spain). The original word was latin quintana an agricultural unit of the Roman's which evolved through to quintanilha (small fifth). According to Rodrigo Rodrigues, Genalogias de S. Miguel e Santa Maria (Chapter 105: 1:1) the Quintanilhas begin with João de Torres, from Aragon, ( see Frutuoso Cap.º 92.º do Liv.º IV), living in 1557 in Ribeira Grande and his wife Joana Quintanilha, both of whom were deceased by 4 Oct 1600. John Miranda Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translation
In a message dated 10/25/2009 3:15:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sh...@photix.com writes: Can someone please translate this for me? Thanks! - Shirl - Ester Suraqui (born) em Gibraltar, F-5.61831 em Gibraltar com 8 meses. (Is Gibraltar also Morocco? And why the other date when she was 8 months old?) (They were Jewish, by the way.) Gibraltar, sandwiched between Spain and Morocco, is part of the UK. She died on 5 June 1831 at age 8 months. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cova da Burra
In a message dated 10/4/2009 3:22:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lrazoresgenealog...@sapo.pt writes: Anybody knows the mening of Cova da Burra? Luís Cova da Burra is is clearly a place name and should not be translated. Cova in S. Miguel is usually a hollow, i.e. a lowland, or drop in terrain. Grota da Cova, Cova da Bretanha (the old name for Pilar in Bretanha), Canada da Cova, etc. Burra, of course, is a donkey. So, if the place name were to be translated, it would be Donkey Hollow. I hope this helps. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Older Church Record from Bretanha, Sao Miguel and Sant...
In a message dated 9/17/2009 2:06:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oldschoo...@gmail.com writes: At the Oakland, CA FHC a guy who volunteers there and specializes in Portuguese/Azorean genealogy told me that when he visited Sao Miguel a few years back, he went to several of the old churches in the villages of Bretanha and I believe Santo Antonio and asked the Priest if they had any older books of church records. As noted in the Family History Library Catalog the records from Bretanha cover the years 1703-1882, and the records from Santo Antonio cover the years 1625-1880. He told me that the Priests did have several older books stored away that apparently were not given to the Government and National Archives back when all the records were rounded up. He said the Priest let him look at the books and take notes on people he was looking for (He gave the priest a small donation for his time and effort-i think $50). He also said that some of the older records went back to the mid to late 1500's in Bretanha and I think Santo Antonio. This is a very interesting bit of information for anyone who is researching their families in Sao Miguel, because it is possible that other churches might have done the same things and have kept some of the older records, rather than turning them over to the government. Anyways, I do not know if these records will be microfilmed, copied or scanned. David The available marriage records for Santo António begin in 1607, with maddening gaps for 1674-1698 and 1719-1728; the records are complete after 1729. I have an index of these marriages. Dr. Miguel Soares da Silva also researched the available birth and death records in an attempt to fill in those gaps. His research is Reconstituição das Famílias de Santo António, and does indeed fill in many blanks. As for Bretanha, in addition to the available records, there is an index of birth and marriage records that was developed in 1727 by the Vicar, André de Sousa Dias, from decaying birth (beginning in 1606) and marriage (beginning in 1569) registers, both with many gaps. I have these Santo António and Bretanha records. As far as I know there are no plans for microfilming them. John Miranda Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogy of Sao Miguel and Santa Ma...
In a message dated 9/7/2009 11:36:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, oldschoo...@gmail.com writes: Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of Rodrigo Rodrigues GENEALOGIAS DAS ILHAS DE S. MIGUEL E SANTA MARIA, and a copy of SAUDADES DA TERRA by Gaspar Furtuoso? Any information would be helpful. David You can probably order the complete 6-volume boxed set of Gaspar Frutuoso's Saudades da Terra (Instituto Cultural de Ponta Delgada: 1998) from Livraria O Gil in Ponta Delgada. (Livrariagil.com). I'm afraid that the 6 volume Genealogias de S. Miguel e S. Maria (Rodrigo Rodrigues, Dislivro-Histórica, Lisbon: 2008) is out of print. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: HISTORY OF THE AZORES BOOK
In a message dated 9/5/2009 11:20:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Carmen, No pop ups have ever come through with list mail on my end. You may want to check your firewalls to make sure your ports are all closed or hidden. Guill did the book around 1972 and then redid it and had intended to make it become part of a series and decided to title it volume 5. That was the early 1990s. That one has a brown cover with a photo of the shoreline on it with a few other inset photos. The 1972 one had some yellow, green and red stripes on it, I think. I haven't seen that one in 10 years, so it's hard to remember. Guill was going to go into more detail in Volumes 1 - 4 and released volume 5 first as a summary. He died before publishing the other books. Unless you have a royal line, Guill's book will not have your family in it. The only thing applicable for genealogy (unless you have the royal line) are the list of names, list of churches, list of freguesias, and the maps. All of these have been extracted. If you are interested in a general history of the Azores, it's something like 600 pages, all in English. So it's good for a general history. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada Dear Cheri: Dr. Guill's history of the Azores has been a real treasure for non-Portuguese readers since its publication. The book and the author have their critics and detractors, but as I always asked them: is there a better history of the Azores available in the English language? Until very recently, the answer w as a a resounding No! And, that is still the case for those English only readers seeking leads on their genealogy. However, even in Dr. Guill's book, unless you can trace your roots back to some of the most important early settlers, you are out of luck. As for a good bilingual history of the Azores, today there is nothing better than Açores: Nove Ilhas, Uma História/Azores: Nine Islands, One History (Susana Goulart Costa, translated by Rosa Neves Simas and edited by Deolinda Maria Adão; published by Institute of Governmental Studies Press, University of California, Berkley: 2008). The translation into English is by far one of the best I have ever seen. There are very, very few terms that I would have translated differently (morgado and víncula are among the few exceptions). I think that Dr. Guill's book has been such a rarity and so expensive because it has been long out of print and was the only decent history of the Azores published in English. With the publication of Susana Goulart Costa's book, the demand for his book, long out of print, will drop as will the price. This is not to say that I will not continue to value my copy and keep it guardado a sete chaves as the Portuguese say. Dr. Guill was always unfailingly kind to me and very generous with his time and knowledge. I'd write to him in California with a question and within a day or two I'd get a telephone call from him personally. His enthusiasm for the Azores and all things Azorean was always so evident in his discussions with me. John Miranda Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...
Here is one of my most stubborn brick walls: Manuel Homem Camelo, of Santa Bárbara (Santo António além Capelas-S. Miguel) was married to Maria da Natividade Viveiros of Relva. She died on 28 Mar 1744 in Santo António. On 6 Jul 1744 he married Apolónia dos Santos, daughter of António de Sousa Pavão and Ana Costa of Calhetas (which is between Fenais da Luz and Rabo de Peixe). I have looked in Santo António, Relva, Fenais da Luz and Rabo de Peixe with no luck. Manuel Homem Camelo and Apolónia dos Santos are my ancestors. Any hits? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Some success - need some guidance Flores/Sao Miguel
In a message dated 8/24/2009 7:21:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Elaine (and others who want to know): Records from Sao Miguel (or any island) from 1914: I don't know anyone who has obtained a record from the church. Dear Cheri: I've obtained records from parish churches on S. Miguel. However, you usually have to know the priest personally, or have a cousin in the village who will ask the priest for the record you need. Otherwise, more often than not, forget it! John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sunday in Terceira
In a message dated 8/23/2009 7:35:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ccgran...@yahoo.com writes: I arrived in Terceira yesterday from Ponta Delgada. For the most part, my search did not produce much information. I found that the church in Lomba da Santa Barbara does not have confession rolls so I could not put Maria Cristo in the family. Maria Crista`s father did not have anything to leave to anyone when he died in 1899 so there were no taxes to pay; therefore no list of his children. I found no Maria (she had 2 older sisters with that name) who could have had a child and the child could have been raised by the grandparents, Joao Morais and Jacintha Libiana. Both names are unusual in Lomba da Santa Barbara which helped my search for a Maria getting married between 1888 and 1894 when the first 2 Marias would have been of age to marry. My search of the death records did tell me that one of the Marias died as an infant and also one of the Anas and the Manuel. That leaves only the first Maria unknown as to where she went and who she married. Oral history told me that these 4 siblings of Maria Cristo did not immigrate to the US. I now know why for 3 of them. The passenger list for 1909, when Maria Cristo left the Azores for Bristol, RI. She married in 1909 in Bristol and is listed in the 1910 census living with her brother, Serafim and his wife. I do not have her marriage record; the information I have is from her oldest daughter as to when she married and how old she was at the time. At this point, I think there are 2 possibilities: her baptism was not recorded, not usual; however, possible. The second is that she was raised in this family and was either an orphan or the child of a relative who died or was unable to raise her. There does not appear to be any way to prove this. That is what I have found on this search for the final link that will complete my family tree. This week in Ladaida Grand, Terceira is party time. There is a festa at the church; the bulls are running in front of the house where I am staying and everyday there is some activity. I am glad I rested in Ponta Delgada after the archive closed at 5pm. I was usually in bed reading by 7 and asleep by 9. Celeste Dear Celeste: I am delighted that you are having such a great time. I have one suggestion relative to Maria de Cristo. Since you know that she was married in Bristol, RI in 1909, have you tried asking the town clerk if he can find her marriage and send you a photocopy of the original filing. That should have the name and address of the priest who registered the marriage for recording with the clerk. (In Massachusetts the person who fills out the paperwork with the clerk's office is called the informant.) With the informant's address, you can then know what church is located at that address (or was there in 1909; alas some churches have closed or have merged with others but the diocese will tell you where the defunct parish's records are now kept.) Then comes the hard part which should be the easiest part, but it isn't. You've got to find somebody who can prevail upon the parish priest to not only look up the marriage record, but to dig out the file with the original paper work. When you get married in the Church you have to sit down with the priest and provide some basic information. Besides the names of parents, place of birth, you have to be able to tell the priest when and where you were baptized and received the other sacraments, which gets recorded in that initial paper work (when people apply for an annulment years later, it's that paperwork that the Diocesan Tribunal summons from the rectory). In some of the older church records, information relative to baptism (which is really what you want) is recorded right in the marriage record in the register. In others it is found only in that initial paperwork application. Once you get that, you're on your way. You can send for the civil record from the Azores and the record from the church. (By 1909 you already had the civil and religious recordings, i.e., the baptism in the church and the birth recorded with the civil authorities, i.e., o Regedor. And as you know in 1909 birth and baptismal records contain the names of parents AND grandparents.) I know that this is cumbersome, but I've tied up some loose ends this way. It takes time and persistence and I know that you don't live in Rhode Island. Unfortunately, its the church that is usually the hardest obstacle to overcome. Some of these folks seem to have little interest or patience with genealogists, unless you happen to be an active or at least very visible parishioner whom Father does not want to alienate or turn into a troublesome gadfly. I've also had amazing luck finding clues from cemetery records. But again, with the Catholic cemeteries patience and a sense of humor are
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: JANEIRO people
In a message dated 8/16/2009 1:28:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eliseuman...@sapo.pt writes: i Group, We are trying to locate the surname JANEIRO somewhere in the Azores Islands. We need: - Please tell us if you have ever heard about the JANEIRO surname related to which FREGUESIA and ISLAND and what time frame - Please tell us if you have ever heard about the combination CABRAL JANEIRO surnames related to which FREGUESIA and ISLAND and what time frame. Thank you. Eliseu Matriz da Ribeira Grande (primarily), Matriz de Vila Franca (very eary), Nordeste (very early) John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph Austin
In a message dated 8/4/2009 7:48:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bremen...@yahoo.com.br writes: Austin is not a Portuguese name for someone being born in Azores it looks a little strange for me, unless his parents were foreigners. What if the name was originally Agostinho? JMR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA site down?
In a message dated 7/29/2009 8:58:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sam...@surewest.net writes: Hi all; Am I correct and the CCA site is currently down? (Just making sure it isn’t a problem on my end.) Thanks, Sam in CA I've had the same problem all day. JMR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Elpidio, NOVAES
In a message dated 7/23/2009 11:46:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patli...@verizon.net writes: I have Miranda cousins but they are from Sao Miguel. Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton Linda, my mother is a Miranda from S. Miguel. Can you give me some details so I can check to see if they are from the same family? Thanks. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Book on Azores History
In a message dated 7/22/2009 12:37:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, emperorb...@gmail.com writes: All, Does anyone have a good book on the history of the Azores that they could recommend? I haven't been able to find anything on Amazon that looks like it would be worth purchasing. Also, has anyone read Saudades da Terra, and if so was it good and is there an English translation? Thanks, Ben I've read Saudades da Terra; it is value is not literary but historical and genealogical. There was an English translation of Volume IV, Book 1, by Edna Phillips Kerns; I do not know if it is still available. The translation might be considered amaturish or worse by some, but it is the only English translation ever made available and is invaluable to people searching for S. Miguel ancestors. The best history of the Azores in English is still the book by the late james Guill. (Guill, James H. A History of the Azores. Golden Shield International, Tulare: 1993.) John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Passports to Brazil
In a message dated 7/8/2009 11:42:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rapos...@gmail.com writes: Dear John, It took me very hard work at the vaults of Rio's metropolitan cathedral to discover where my family is from. I can tell for sure now that I am the offspring of José Antonio Raposo, from the matrix of São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, and Maria Theresa do Nascimento, christened in Santa Maria de Asia, Braga. They had three children in Brazil: Dirothea (1808), José Joaquim (my 3rd grandfather, 1809) and Carlota (1813), all born in the parish of Santa Rita, Rio. Now, what was an Azorean doing in Brazil in 1808, married to an Bragantine? They certainly met either in Lisbon or in Rio. My guess is that they arrived here that very year with D. Maria I, a Louca, probably as servants of the royal house. Forgive me if I continue to bother, but is is possible to discover when did José Antonio Raposo, the son of Antonio José Raposo, leave the Azores? And if I send you a list of my Azorean forebearers for you to check on them, would I not be abusing your kindness? I didn't know the tomb of Maria, a Louca, was in Portugal, for she died in Rio. She was somewhat popular here and used to promenade in the city with her damas de companhia. That is the origin of the Brazilian dictum Maria vai com as outras, meaning someone who just follows the lead. But sometimes Maria let out loud shrieks in public and the outras had trouble to control her. Thank you very much again, Marcos. Dear Marcos: Please feel free to send me a list of your Azorean ancestors (with any available vital data) and I will be happy to check through my data base. In order to spare list members the tedium of dealing with a subject relevant only to the two of us, you should send the material directly to my e-mail address (marra...@cs.com) and not to the list. As for Passports to Brazil, this has been a matter of some discussion on the list in recent days. I do not know if such records exist for your time period (the Napoleonic invasions). And I have some doubt that a passport was necessary for a Portuguese subject to travel to another part of the Kingdom, e.g. Brazil. There are people on the list (e.g. Cheri Mello, the list owner and João Ventura) who know a great deal about these things, and I am hopeful that Cheri or João will be able to clarify the matter for you. As far as D. Maria I, when D. João returned to Portugal he took the remains of his deceased mother back with him and had her interred in Portugal. Many Portuguese have considered it a pitty that he didn't leave D. Joaquina Carlota in Rio! Best regards and good luck. I look forward to checking your Azorean ancestors against my data base. John Miranda Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ponta Delgada Raposos
In a message dated 7/5/2009 11:31:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rapos...@gmail.com writes: Dear John, I find it extraordinary that you should reply in such short time and with so much information. First of all, let me thank you heartly for the time and energy you have expended to help another Raposo... by the way, we are quite numerous here in Brazil. You are quite right to say that Tomé Raposo died before 1735, for he is said to be defunct in the marriage record of his son Pedro, dated November 24, 1734 (transcriprt below). Not, however, his wife Sebastiana, who must therefore have died between that marriage and the one of her other son Antonio, in 1735. Up to now, I was reading the marriage record of Pedro to say that his mother Sebastiana - not himself - had been christened in the parish of São José the Patriarch. But your information show that all his brothers were from São José. So, the reference to São José in Pedro's marriage record has to do with him, not with his mother, as I thought. Being so, there is no contradiction: Pedro is from São José and his mother Sebastiana must indeed be from Arrifes. I have no idea where Arrifes is, can you say a word on this? Another point: based on your experience, would you say that Tomé Raposo is the end of the line and that it is impractical to go ahead and try to discover who were his parents? My idea was to reach the Raposos mentioned in the works of Gaspar Frutuoso, do you think this is still possible? Below, I am copying a transcription I made of the marriage record of Pedro Raposo and Antonia de Souza in 1734, from an image received from BPARPD. Thank you so much again, Marcos Raposo. Dear Marcos: Arrifes is a parish right outside Ponta Delgada. It is where the Cardinal, D. Humberto Massa de Sousa Medeiros was born. Before Arrifes had its own parish churches, they received the sacraments in the parish church of S. José in Ponta Delgada which is within walking distance (for the healthy; I've made that journey on foot myself several times). As for searching for the ancestors of Tomé Raposo and his wife Sebastiana da Costa, if you have access to the microfilms from the parish of S. José, you could look there, or in Relva. You might find some clues in baptismal records, e.g., o padrinho foi José Raposo, tio do baptizado, solteiro, filho familiar de... Or you might find a clue in a death record, e.g. faleceu Sebastiana da Costa, viuva de Tomé Raposo, que Deus haja, que faleceu no dia e foi sepultada na Ermida de Nossa Senhora da Saúde neste lugar dos Arrifes, na cova de seu avo, N.Netc. I have found many genealogical lines from such records. As you know, time and patience are the indispensable requirements for these investigations, but the rewards are often well worth the chase! Good luck! John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Reward for Victor Family Records
In a message dated 7/3/2009 10:53:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bellema...@gmail.com writes: 3. Belmira Victor, daughter of Antonio Victor and Romana Augusta b. between 1886-1890, probably 1888 island, etc. unknown, came to US. I am not looking for a reward but here is what I have: Belmira Romana Victor, daughter of António M. Victor and Maria Augusta Romana, born 28 Nov 1888 in Terceira; married in New Bedford on 8 June 1907 to Alfred Cabral, born on S. Miguel in 1888 and died in New Bedford on 23 Mar 1959. He was the son of Manuel Cabral and Adelaide de Jesus Lima (b. 22 May 1877, Lagoa; d. 6 Jul 1956, South Dartmouth, MA.) Belmira died om New Bedford on 12 Sept 1976. I hope this helps. John M. Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vieira and Simas on Sao Miguel
In a message dated 6/28/2009 11:58:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Repost for avieira2...@yahoo.com Hi Im originally from Sao Miguel Acores and came to US in 1969 and I'm looking into my family heritage of Vieira and Simas. My father passed away in April and I've been wondering were our family came from. His father was Manuel Vieira his wife Maria Soares Vieira that's all I know. My mom is Laudalina Medeiros Simss Vieira daughter of Manuel SiMas and Maria Pacheco Simas all from Sao Miguel. How do I go about finding out more info.? Thank You hopefully Ican get a start on where to begin If your mother (or your aunta and uncles on your paternal and maternal side) is still living, you could ask for the details (names, dates, etc.) Secondly, does your mother have her marriage certificate; that will also give you details. Once you have the information, you'll need to do some hard work until you go back to about 1870 or so, and then you can do the rest of the research yourself at your local family history center. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria St Peter Mendes
In a message dated 6/10/2009 1:06:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bettybo...@northrock.bm writes: Hi I am new to this group. My Grandparents were both from Azores (Sao Miguel) I am not sure of the spelling. My grandmother's name was Maria St Peter Mendes. She was born on June 29, 1889 and left the Azores when she was 21 years old on a ship sailing for California to live with an Aunt. Instead she met a family with twin boys named David Abel Madeiros and came to Bermuda to care for them. She met my grandfather in Bermuda he was also from the Azores who was a widower with to children Esther age 7 and Manuel age 5. Their surname was Madeiros. I am not sure if his name was Manuel Moniz or Manuel Madeiros Moniz, born on October 11, 1876. Out of their marriage they had 4 children 3 boys and 1 girl. There names are Joe Moniz, William Moniz, (my father deceased), David Moniz and Angie GreeneIf anyone has any information about my grandparents or if I have any relatives in the Azores I would love to hear from you. I'm afraid I don't know anything about your family. However, I know that your grandmother was originally Maria de São Pedro, and the reason why she was so named is because her birthday, June 29, is the feast of the Apostles Peter and Paul. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Property on the Azores Islands
In a message dated 5/16/2009 6:25:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ldfi...@hotmail.com writes: I just wanted to inform as many people as possible of an issue that has been affecting some of us who are currently living away from the Azores but still have some ties with the Islands either through family that are still living or deceased. I am a Portuguese Canadian, my parents were born on the Island of Santa Maria and moved to Canada in the 70's. Most of my aunts and uncles moved away from the island as well leaving both my paternal and maternal grandparents on the Island. Any one familiar with the island knows that as a result of the emigration of citizens over the recent history of the Islands has led to many old homesteads and property unclaimed by heirs who either have little knowledge of the inheritance laws, do not have knowledge that they have even inherited property or often feel that the difficulties in making a claim outweigh any benefits. A lot of land and houses lay abandoned because of this. Over the past 15 years or so, there have been a number or unscrupulous people who have taken advantage of this, there are numerous stories of people selling property to unsuspecting buyers who in the end do not have legitimate rights to do so. I would like to tell you of our story. About ten years ago, a german woman approached my functionally illiterate grandmother regarding a piece of property that included the home that my grandfather had been raised in. My grandmother, was convinced that this woman was genuinely trying to help her out by taking over the maintence of the property. She understood and explained to the german woman that the property was partly owned by her children (my father and his brothers) and that there was no way that it could be legally sold to her. She indicated that she completely understood and that she was only looking for a place where she could spend vacations and they agreed to a long term rental agreement. Last year, just after my grandmother passed away, we noticed that my grandfathers home was listed on the internet up for sale. Since then we have traveled to Santa Maria a number of times and after speaking with the land titles office have discovered that this woman has done this to many families there. Currently there are eight claims against her. We were extremely lucky to catch her before she actually sold the property, but we are still in the process of getting the titles changed to the legitimate heirs. One of the cases that has been heard and won was for a German couple who purchased a home from her, gave her the deposit that she had been asking for then after investing a lot of money on renovations, discovered that the actual heirs lived in California. They have since rectified everything, and were successful in getting their deposit back from the person who sold it to them, but even so, this woman continues to operate there. My parents found out from city hall on Santa Maria that she has a reputation, that the real estate agencies no longer accept her listings so she is operating from Sao Miquel. I strongly urge people who still have family or ties in the Azores to be aware of their property and land. I know that since then I have been scanning the internet all the time for land for sale on the Azores. This is a very old problem. Even for those in the Azores, people often die without wills and the partilhas (the division of the estate among the widow and surviving children) are often done by word of mouth and never registered in order to avoid legal fees and taxes. In my father's case, when he bought out his father's share of an estate, he found that the deeds were still in the name of his great grandparents! The other problem is that, just as in the US, if someone pays the taxes on a property, lives on the property, essentially occupies without interference from the owners, then, after seven years, that person has the right to insist that he be granted title to that property. I know of many people whose parents and grandparents owned property in the Azores. When the owners die, the heirs take no action to probate these estate (the so called partilhas), and trust friend and neighbors to work the land, pay the taxes etc. Unfortunately, some of those friends and neighbors, having paid the taxes for a number of years without reimbursement from the heirs, simply claim the property for themselves. The heirs feel cheated; the people who claim the land feel that, since they've paid the taxes on the land without reimbursement, they are entitled to claim the parcel of land as their own. I've always taken care to take care of these matters. My wife has been much more laissez-faire; as a consequence she has had the unfortunate experience of learning that a parcel she thought was hers now belongs to her cousins! The fault lies with those who just assume that they can ignore an
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Bennett surname--and interesting story
In a message dated 5/2/2009 11:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chandler...@yahoo.com writes: What does 'made his mark' by some of the names mean? Interesting... Guida It means he was unable to write his name and made an X --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Resendes, Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel
In a message dated 4/25/2009 11:00:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, carolynkamaz...@comcast.net writes: Dear Carolyn: You could also post the names of your great grandparents and approximate vital dates and see if any of have them as ancestors or in a data base. For some of us genealogy is an avocation and we've been researching for years. Consequently, we've built up a pretty big data base. Some of us have resources like Rodrigo Rodrigues available, etc. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Diogo Fernandes de Boim
In a message dated 4/25/2009 1:12:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ccgran...@yahoo.com writes: I think I have exhausted all of the possibilities of finding information about this Diogo on the internet. I have been unable to find the connection between Diogo Fenandes de Boim and the first ones (that used the surname Aboim) and were the children of D. Pedro Ourigues of Nobrega (who used the nicname Boim) or D. Peter Ourigues. Does anyone know of the existence of information that connect these 2 people. Below is a partial list of Diogo Fernandes de Boim's descendents as related to my maternal grandmother. Descendants of DIOGO FERNANDES de BOIM 1 DIOGO FERNANDES de BOIM b: Abt. 1500 in Elvas +Joana Paes D'Azevedo b: Abt. 1500 in Terceira, Azores . 2 Leonor de Boim b: Unknown ... +Joao Dias Vieira b: Unknown 3 Francisca Vieira Boim b: Unknown .. +Andre Goncalves Madruga b: Unknown 3 Diogo Fernandes Vieira b: Unknown .. +Maria Rodrigues Valladao b: Unknown 3 Ignes Boim b: Unknown . 2 Diogo Fernandes de Boim b: Unknown ... +Mecia de Barcelos Machado b: Unknown . 2 Joanna de Boim b: Unknown *2nd Wife of DIOGO FERNANDES de BOIM: +MARTINHA AFONSO de SOUSA e AZEVEDO b: Abt. 1500 in Terceira, Azores Angra, Terceira, Azores . 2 MARIA AFONSO de AZEVEDO b: Abt. 1520 in Terceira, Azores ... +AFONSO ANES NETO b: Abt. 1520 in Terceira, Azores m: Bef. 1566 3 ISABEL de AZEVEDO NETO b: Abt. 1550 in Terceira, Azores .. +MANUEL MACHADO RIBEIRA SECA b: Abt. 1550 in Terceira, Azores m: Bef. 1566 4 MANUEL MACHADO NETO b: Abt. 1566 in Terceira, Azores/Joao .. +INES PIRES b: Abt. 1566 in Terceira, Azores m: 1586 ... 5 PEDRO MACHADO NETO b: Abt. 1586 in Terceira, Azores . +MARGARIDA ALVARES RAMIRES b: Abt. 1590 in Terceira, Azores m: Bef. 1612 ... 6 PEDRO MACHADO NETO b: Abt. 1640 in Sao Sebastiao, Terceira, Azores/Joao .+BEATRIZ DE AVILA DE ANTONA b: Abt. 1640 in Sao Sebastiao, Terceira, Azores m: Feb 14, 1656 in Vila Nova, Terceira, Azores/Joao** ..7 PEDRO MACHADO NETO b: Abt. 1660 in Vila Nova, Terceira, Azores +MARIA LINHARES VAZ DINIS b: Jul 14, 1659 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores**m: Oct 11, 1676 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores** ..8 MARIA FALEIRO MACHADO b: Dec 08, 1680 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores** +MANUEL FALCAO THE YOUNG b: Dec 14, 1670 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores** m: Jan 11, 1699 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores** .9 CATARINA BERNARDA b: May 20, 1703 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores** ...+JOAO TOSTE GATO b: Feb 14, 1700 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores**m: May 08, 1729 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores/** .10 MARIA SEBASTIANA ANTONIA b: Jan 14, 1732 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores** ... + MANUEL FERREIRA de ORMONDE b: Apr 08, 1702 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores** m: Jun 15, 1749 in Santo Antonio do Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores** 11 EUFRASIA VICTORINA b: Jul 14, 1758 in Santo Antonio do Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores** ..+ JOAO FERREIRA DINIS b: Nov 03, 1733 in Santo Antonio do Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores** m: May 25, 1783 in Porto Judeu, Terceira, Azores(2nd 3rd degree)** Thanks, Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com I do not think we're going to have much luck. In Genealogias da Ilha Terceira (Volume II) it says only that he was born in the mid 15th century and died in Terceira, that he was a minor nobleman and died after 11 Feb 1527. His first wife was Marinha Afonso de Azevedo. Sorry I can't be of more help. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with translation and identification
In a message dated 4/10/2009 8:01:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Lexi/Marilyn, That's what George said...the men's entrance was because of the liquor. You never know with pictures. I had one that I took around for a few years. I was helping a man at my FHC in Los Angeles on his Portuguese lines. We never found a connection (yet). He asked me to come over around Christmas and meet his parents from RI. I came with old photos. His father identified some of the people in the photo! My guess is that like so many of these little village establishments, this was a combination general store/tavern tasca or taberna. In those days women NEVER went inside a tasca. It was strictly a place for men. A woman might stand at the entrance and call to husband inside to come home (before he got too drunk!), but going inside was not OK if she valued her reputation. The idea of a woman standing at the bat downing cachaças with the best of them was a scandal. These general stores-taverns were generally 2 room affairs, one for the store and the other for the tavern. There was a connecting door so that the owner could go from one room to the other and tend to business single handed on both sides. In case you find this arrangement strange, here in New England (Billy's Café on Bedford Street in Fall River comes to mind) always had a Lady's Entrance The front of the bar was exactly that: a bar with stools, some tables, a TV, a pool table, etc. It was just for the guys. The Lady's Entrance brought you to the back room, a lounge with booths. Billy's is still there, and still has the back entrance, now called a Family Entrance for those who are there for a meal in the lounge and not just a few frosties in the front. By the way, Billy's still serves the best chouriço plate this side of the Mississippi. A Happy Easter to all! John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Films in Exeter NH FHC
In a message dated 4/10/2009 8:28:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, j...@teecee.com writes: went to the site and filed out most of the information. But the is a required entry for Filiação for her mother and father. I assume this means affiliation but even then I have no idea what that means? Filiação= Parents. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manoel de Medeiros Chaves Francisca
In a message dated 4/4/2009 9:57:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lagoe...@hotmail.com writes: Hello Judi John My connection is with Francisca, in that she is a distant cousin. My connection to Lopo Anes is that one of his sons married one of my cousins. If you have descendants for Manuel and Francisca I would love to get that information. Let me know if and/or how I can help. Hermano Modified Register for Manuel de Medeiros Chaves First Generation 1. Manuel de Medeiros Chaves was born in Capelas. Manuel married Francisca Cândida daughter of José Medeiros Castelo Branco Moreira and Rosa Cândida Oliveira Frazão on 4 Feb 1875 in Fenais da Luz. Francisca was born in Fenais da Luz. They had the following children: 2 M i. Manuel was born on 2 Dec 1875 in C-. 3 M ii. José was born on 18 Nov 1876 in Capelas. He died on 22 Feb 1877 in Capelas. 4 M iii.Manuel was born on 2 Feb 1878 in Capelas. 5 M iv. João de Medeiros Chaves was born on 7 Aug 1879 in Capelas. He died on 29 Mar 1960 in Capelas. 6 M v. Manuel was born on 9 Sep 1880 in Capelas. He died on 1 Jun 1881 in Capelas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rodas
In a message dated 4/2/2009 11:36:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, researchp...@gmail.com writes: n the book, Azores, Nine Islands, it talks about Rodas or Casas da Roda, where a baby could be left anonymously, much as we now have safe houses in the United States, when someone gives up a baby. It states that most municipalities in the second half of the 19th century had these places. The baby was then raised by a nannie to age 7 years, paid by the government. Having a registry of nannies was begun during the 16th century. Does anyone know of this custom? Did the registries record the babies somehow, or were they just keeping track of the nannies? If the babies were anonymous, that meant they weren't baptised or given names? The book says that the total surpassed 1,000 babies (probably a total of all the municipalities, though it does not say) that were cared for in this way in 1858. In 1879 this strategy was abandoned and the mothers were paid to keep and care for the children. After this, there were many fewer babies abandoned. That must have been such a terrible situation for families, no wonder they left the Islands. That is a lot of children to not be accounted for, so I wonder if there was some record or if anyone knows. Char Each baby was registered, baptized, and given a name. In some of the larger churches is there is actually a separate book for Expostos. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Advice - Information on Immigration From Azores to...
In a message dated 4/3/2009 5:54:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lagoe...@hotmail.com writes: John Judi I hope that you don't mind if I use some of this information on Manuel de Medeiros Chaves, c. Francisca Candida Feb.18, 1875 and possibly more for although distantly I am connected to her. Hermano Dear Hermano, One of the purposes of the list is the free exchange of information. Please feel to use any of my information and incorporate it into your data base. However, please share whatever additional information you have with us. Um abraço! John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Last Post Azores: Nine Islands...
In a message dated 4/1/2009 8:22:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwlayt...@msn.com writes: My mother's family is from San Miguel Antonio Pimental from Bretanha Mary Julia Felina from Maia Pimental appears to be a very common name, but the other surnames I've listed haven't appeared on this list. There is a Pimentel family in Bretanha. If you know Antonio's parents' names I'll be glad to look through my data base and see if there are any matches. Let me know if I can help. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores genealogy book
In a message dated 4/2/2009 12:27:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: It covers only Sao Miguel and Santa Maria island. It also seems you have to go pretty far back in your research to start to utilize this series. Many lines come down to around W.W. I. The price in Euros is quite hefty especially when you add in the cost of shipping. However, it saves you countless hours of research, and thousands of dollars if you were to pay a genealogist to do the research for you. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores genealogy book
In a message dated 4/2/2009 12:46:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: John, Just so we don't mislead the readers Many lines come down to W.W. I (World War I) Many lines, but not all. Not using the series that much, would you say that Many includes the majority of lines in this series or just selected lines? Which reminds me...Would you say that this series covers ALL the families of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria or the descendants of the more prominent lines? I don't think it covers all, as many of my branches are missing. Cheri Dear Cheri: I think that unlike Carlos Machado, Rodrigo Rodrigues, who lived well into half of the 20th century, brought his lines down much closer to his own time. There are many that come down to world war one and many more that come down to the last quarter of the 19th century. Also unlike most genealogists before him, Rodrigo Rodrigues was interested in everybody from the highest lord to the lowest peasant, and he loved examples of people who were landless and of no social importance but shared ancestry with the high nobility. The 6 volumes do not cover every family, but they do trace 434 different principal families, most of them from S. Miguel and the rest from Santa Maria. Almost everybody with roots in either island has to connect to some if not many of these families. I too have dead ends who do not connect to any of the 434 trunks in Rodrigo Rodrigues, but I connect to many, many of them. I hope this helps. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Last Post Azores: Nine Islands...
In a message dated 4/2/2009 6:20:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwlayt...@msn.com writes: Thank you so much, but I know nothing else. You're very kind. That is the information I had hoped to get when I went there. I once met a man named Antonio Pimentel working in Washington DC. His family also came from Bretanha and had settled in California. We couldn't establish a connection, but then I don't think either one of us knew anything else about our families. How I wish that my mother's generation were alive so I could ask these questions! I do remember that she said Antonio's mother went to America with his 2 brothers and left him behind. Sometime later he stowed away (so the story goes) on a ship and came here. But he didn't know where his family might be. Four or five years later he went to a fiesta in New Bedford and ran into his brothers! All I have is a photograph of my grandfather's home in Bretanha. My mother had taken the picture when she went to visit in the 1960's. The house was abandoned. I need to go back there and spend more time. I also need to talk to all my cousins to see if they remember anything. Thanks so much for your offer. You are very welcome! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Advice - Information on Immigration From Azores to...
In a message dated 3/31/2009 12:24:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jude2...@msn.com writes: Hi E, His name was Manuel Medeiros Chaves, born 1882 in Capelas, Sao Miguel. He would have arrived around 1900 either on a passenger ship or a whaler. I can't find him anywhere. Thanks for asking. Judi I thought this might help. This has to be your grandfather's family although where he fits in will require more work. Rehards! John Modified Register for Manuel Cabral First Generation 1. Manuel Cabral was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Manuel married Vitoria Francisca . Vitoria was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. They had the following children: + 2 M i. Manuel Medeiros Chaves . Second Generation 2. Manuel Medeiros Chaves (Manuel) was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Manuel married (1) Maria Antonia daughter of Sebastiao Travassos and Ana Maria on 13 Feb 1809 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Maria was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. They had the following children: + 3 M i. Antonio Medeiros Chaves . + 4 M ii. Jose Medeiros Chaves . Manuel married (2) Antonia Faustina daughter of Jose de Sousa Machado and Catarina dos Santos Oliveira on 6 Dec 1788 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Antonia was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Third Generation 3. Antonio Medeiros Chaves (Manuel Medeiros Chaves, Manuel) was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Antonio married Vitoria de Jesus daughter of Manuel Sousa Soares and Maria de Jesus on 19 Feb 1840 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Vitoria was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. They had the following children: + 5 M i. Jose Medeiros Chaves . 6 M ii. Jose was born in 1840 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. He died on 9 May 1842 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. + 7 F iii.Maria da Encarnacao . 8 M iv. Joao was born in May 1842 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. 9 M v. Manuel was born on 15 Apr 1843 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. + 10 M vi. Joao de Medeiros Chaves was born on 29 Sep 1845. 4. Jose Medeiros Chaves (Manuel Medeiros Chaves, Manuel) was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Jose married Maria Candida da Conceição daughter of Manuel Sousa Soares and Maria de Jesus on 3 May 1843 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Maria was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. They had the following children: + 11 F i. Maria de Jesus was born in 1853. + 12 M ii. Manuel de Medeiros Chaves . + 13 M iii.Jose de Medeiros Chaves was born on 3 Aug 1848. 14 M iv. Antonio was born on 5 Nov 1850 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. 15 M v. Joaquim was born on 5 Mar 1866 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Fourth Generation 5. Jose Medeiros Chaves (Antonio Medeiros Chaves, Manuel Medeiros Chaves, Manuel) was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Jose married Maria de Jesus daughter of Jose Medeiros Chaves and Maria Candida da Conceição on 1 Jul 1875 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Maria was born in 1853 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. They had the following children: 16 M i. Manuel was born on 11 Feb 1876 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. 17 M ii. Antonio was born on 5 Dec 1878 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. He was christened on 15 Dec 1878 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. He died on 24 Dec 1878 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. 18 M iii.Joao was born on 23 Jul 1880 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. He was christened in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. He died on 6 Jun 1881 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. 7. Maria da Encarnacao (Antonio Medeiros Chaves, Manuel Medeiros Chaves, Manuel) was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Maria married Jose de Arruda son of Jacinto de Arruda and Francisca de Jesus. Jose was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. They had the following children: 19 F i. Helena was born on 19 Jul 1877 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. She was christened on 27 Jul 1877 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. 10. Joao de Medeiros Chaves (Antonio Medeiros Chaves, Manuel Medeiros Chaves, Manuel) was born on 29 Sep 1845 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Joao married Maria Isabel daughter of Manuel Tavares Pacheco and Maria Isabel in 1868 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Maria was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. They had the following children: 20 M i. Jose was born on 9 Jun 1877 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. 11. Maria de Jesus (Jose Medeiros Chaves, Manuel Medeiros Chaves, Manuel) was born in 1853 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Maria married Jose Medeiros Chaves son of Antonio Medeiros Chaves and Vitoria de Jesus on 1 Jul 1875 in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. Jose was born in Capelas, São Miguel, Açores. They had the following children: 21 M i. Manuel is printed as #16 on page 2. 22 M ii. Antonio is printed as #17 on page 2. 23 M iii.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anyone Know What This Is?
In a message dated 3/26/2009 1:10:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, researchp...@gmail.com writes: Looking at a Baptismal translation given me it talks about someone from Sao Sebastio, Terceira and says parishioners in this village, residents on the Rua da Poça. So what is the Rua da Poca? the name of the street. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TEIXEIRA SAO PAYO from Azores.
In a message dated 3/26/2009 5:50:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, natalia_sarme...@yahoo.fr writes: Hi everybody, Looking for TEIXEIRA SAO PAYO from Azores. Thank you. Regards. Natalia Sarmento. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ 11 -Joaquim António de Medeiros, escrivão da Fazenda em Ponta Delgada. Casou na Matriz de Ponta Delgada, a 16.1.1837, com Clara Guilhermina Teixeira, da Matriz de S. Roque, Ilha do Pico, filha de José Teixeira de Sampaio, de Lisboa, e Delfina Eugénia. Tiveram: 12 -Luís Teixeira de Medeiros, nasceu em S. Pedro de Ponta Delgada a 18.10.1837. Casou com Manuela, de nacionalidade espanhola. 12 -Maria Teresa de Medeiros, que segue: 12 -Maria Adelina de Medeiros, casou na Matriz da Ribeira Grande, a 30.7.1868, com Álvaro Augusto Freire Temudo, escrivão do Juízo do Comarca da Ribeira Grande. Com geração. 12 -Maria Teresa de Medeiros, casou a primeira vez em S. José de Ponta Delgada, a 15.10.1863, com Horácio Velasco Correia e Silva, professor de instrução primária em Ponta Delgada, filho de James Goss Jackson e Francisca Correia e Silva. Casou a segunda vez em S. José de Ponta Delgada, a 13.11.1886, com João Jacinto Carvalho de Teves, filho de João Jacinto de Teves e Angélica Cândida (Vide Nota N.º 25 do Cap.º 166.º). Teve do 1.º casamento: 13 -Horácio 13 -Clara Correia e Silva, casou com José Inácio de Arruda Pereira. Tiveram: 14 -Clara Maria Velasco d'Arruda Pereira, casou com o Eng.º Francisco Xavier Vaz Pacheco de Castro (Cap.º 29.º § 3.º, N.º 13). 13 -Maria Francisca Correia e Silva, casou com Frederico Tavares de Medeiros (Cap.º 88.º § 2.º, N.º 13). 13 -Maria Teresa Correia e Silva, casou com Manuel Carvalho de Teves, filho de João Jacinto de Teves e Angélica Cândida. Tiveram: 14 -Horácio Teves, despachante da Alfândega de Ponta Delgada. Casou com Ana de Freitas Lomelino, da Madeira. Tiveram: 15 -Horácio Lomelino Teves, casou com Lídia Maria da Encarnação Moniz, dos Arrifes. Com geração. 15 -Maria Lomelino de Teves, casou com Marino Franco de Lemos, da Terceira. Com geração. 15 -Maria da Conceição Lomelino de Teves, casou com Ernesto Wallenstein (Cap.º 177.º § 1.º, N.º 15). 15 -Francisco Lomelino de Teves, casou a primeira vez com Maria Helena Soares Santos. Com geração. 13 -Manuela Correia e Silva, casou em S. José de Ponta Delgada, a 24.7.1886, com Mariano Carvalho de Teves, filho de João Jacinto de Teves e Angélica Cândida (Vide Nota N.º 25 do Cap.º 166.º). 13 -Joaquim Velasco Correia e Silva, que segue: 13 -Joaquim Velasco Correia e Silva, casou a primeira vez com Maria Joana Gago da Câmara (Cap.º 53.º § 1.º, N.º 13). Casou a segunda vez com Claudina Félix Machado (Cap.º 202.º § Único, N.º 9). Teve do 1.º casamento: 14 -Maria Carolina Correia e Silva, casou com António Inácio da Mota (Cap.º 4.º § 1.º, N.º 14), da Lagoa, oficial da marinha mercante. Teve do 2.º casamento: 14 -Maria Teresa Machado Correia e Silva, casou com Eduardo Harding Read (Cap.º 123.º § 3.º, N.º 12). 14 -Diogo Machado Correia e Silva, que segue: 14 -Diogo Machado Correia e Silva, casou com Isabel Maria de Medeiros. Ausentou-se para S. Vicente, Brasil. Com geração. 9 - Maria do Carmo Leite, que c. a 8.8.1835 com Francisco José Teixeira de Sampaio (Eduardo de Campos, Nobiliário da Ilha Terceira, Tit.º Teixeira de Sampaio, § 1.º N.º 3). Tiveram: 10 -Frederico Leite Teixeira de Sampaio, oficial do Exército, bap. na Matriz de Ponta Delgada a 13.2.1839. 10 -Francisca Madalena Leite de Sampaio, que nasceu a 14.1.1840 e casou com seu parente José Teodósio do Carvalhal (Vid. Eduardo Campos, Nobiliário da Ilha Terceira, Tit.º Betencourts § 1.º, N.º 12), s.g. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname: Dobales
In a message dated 3/25/2009 1:21:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jdoba...@gmail.com writes: Dobales surname. My great, great gradfather Christano Dobales is listed as being from Portugal on his son's (my great grandfather) death certificate (Francisco Dobales born in 1852). There is a good chance that Christano came from the Azores...possibly on a whaling boat to California. He and other relatives/friends settled in Fresno County, CA (Firebaugh, Madera) and were sheepherders. I can't find a death record for him so I don't know if he died here in the States or went back to his homeland. All of the Dobales' (and some Dovales') here in California are my relativesjust can't find Christano. I'd appreciate any help. The name was probably de Vales or De Valles back in the Azores. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Surname David
It is possible that this name originates from an ancestor who was a foundling, i.e., a baby abandoned at birth, and given the first name David at baptism. His descendants would have taken one of 3 surnames: 1-da Câmara, if David was a ward of the state which paid a stipend for the first year of life to the foster parents, 2- the name of the family that fostered him; e.g. if he was raised by Mr. and Mrs. Machado, then the descendants might have taken Machado as a family name, or, and most likely, 3- David became the surname, e.g., David's son José then becomes José David. I have several examples of all 3 cases in my lineage. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Names
In a message dated 2/20/2009 11:39:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, researchp...@gmail.com writes: I have a death record of an ancestor, and it lists his mother as from the Azores, with her name as Harriet. Is there a Portuguese equivalent to Harriet? Could be Henriqueta, Henrieta. Or, she could be a Harriet from the many descendants of thomas Hickling who stayed in S. Miguel. Harriet Frederica Hickling was born in Ponta Delgada. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: titles
In a message dated 2/20/2009 2:46:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, noblankt...@gmail.com writes: Among Portuguese nobility, the title Dom was accorded by royal grant, and passed on in most cases through the male line. Strictly speaking, only females born of a nobleman bearing the title Dom would be addressed as Dona, but the style was not heritable through daughters. The exceptions were few and depended solely on the conditions in which the title itself had been granted. Here is link to a site that discusses Portuguese nobility http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Portuguese_Brazilian_Studies/ejph/html/issue1/html/monteiro_main.html Here is Wikipedia page with links to individual Portuguese titles and their holders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joaopais/Portuguese_nobility_titles Eric Edgar We need to be clear about time periods. Today, every married, (and unmarried older women, though this can be a bit of a tricky mine field) is entitled to be called (and often is) Dona... It is simply the polite and formal form address for a woman, used with her first name, e.g., Dona Albertina. Until about 1680, the title was usually reserved for royal, noble or aristocratic ladies, or those married to aristocrats, nobles or royalty. Over time the use if the title was gradually expanded and watered down. After that, until about 1865, someone titled Dona might be one, some or all of the above, or a substantial landowner, socially prominent, or married to somebody who met these conditions. So, if you are tracing back your roots and think all your ancestors are peasants, but in 1798 you connect to Manuel José de Sousa Pamposo and his wife D. Efigênia Engrácia Fanfarra de Trumbetas, you're on to something! At the very least they probably owned all of the valuable farm land in the village and surrounding areas and collected rents. Or maybe she is the daughter of the second son of the Conde de Santo Milagroso, or something like that. But you've definitely moved on up the social ladder. The title Dom, as Eric points out, was much more restricted. In addition to those mentioned by Eric, the title is also used by Abbots, Bishops, Archbishops, etc. I hope this helps. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Raposo from Ajuda
In a message dated 2/19/2009 1:43:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, smarte...@cox.net writes: Hello, I am trying to find the parents and ancestors of a Mauricio Raposo born c 1773 in Ajuda. He married Ana de Jesus on 1/12/1800 in Ajuda. I am also trying to find out her parents and ancestors. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you The file runs 189 pages so I will e-mail you privately. John Miranda Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Da-Camara-Vieira,Elvira Duarte Vieira
In a message dated 2/8/2009 4:10:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, jgalla...@aclcable.ca writes: I search born,batism,marriage,and dead of Manuel Da-Camara-Vieira,and same for Elvira Duarte.I know they are married around 8 july 1963,don't know where. Their son Artur Vieira was born on 8 june 1956,in Sao Miguel,Azores.He is married with Sofia Da-Silva on 8 july 1978 At Ste-Thérèse de Blainville,Québec,Canada. Sofia,born on 20 june 1980 in Blainville,was the girl of Jose Da-Silva and Lauriana De-Medeiros. This is the first time i go on your group,and i am very interested in my Azores généalogy. Tank you for your help, Jean-Guy Allaire The name da Câmara Vieira is very common in Capelas, S. Miguel. The composer Joe Raposo of Sesamee Street fame was from that family on his mother's side. The marriage date for Manuel and Elvira seems to be off though. You say they were born in 1963 but their son Arthur was married in 1956? John Miranda Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Exposto's Sao Sebastiao Ponta Delgada
In a message dated 2/7/2009 2:30:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, rpimen...@peoplepc.com writes: Hello All Today I was looking at records from Sao Sebastiao Church in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel. I looked at the years 1865-1869. I was looking for the birth of my great grandmother. I have looked at many baptism records from other churches in Sao Miguel and what I found unusual is the number of exposto’s in the records. With out counting it seemed like there were five exposto’s for ever legitimate that was baptized. This causes me to consider a few questions. Is there a reason that this particular church recorded so many exposto’s? Was there a roda that was a favorite dropping off spot? Was there a large orphanage in Ponta Delgada? Buy the way I did find the baptism of my great grandmother confirming her parents and grandparents. Rick Dear Rick: You will find that all of the Ponta Delgada churches seem to have a proportionally higher rate of foundlings than in the other churches. There were several convents in Ponta Delgada which were favorite dropping off places for unwanted children. The baptisms of these children were recorded in the churches of the parishes where these convents were located. Thus, the baptisms of children left in the roda of the Esperança convent were recorded in the S. José church. There were so many expostos in Ponta Delgada that their baptisms were recorded in a separate register rather than intermixed with all the other baptisms. I've often thought about these poor babies. They died at a disproportionately higher rate in an already high infant mortality rate. Without available nursiing mothers many died within days of birth in the convents themselves. Many others died within a year or two of being placed with foster parents. Since the death rate was disproprtionately higher, as a child social worker I hypothocize, that many were neglected. If you look ar some parish registers you will find that some foster couples seemed to lose infant foster children at an alarming rate and with alarming regularity. I've actually made a study of this. Those luck enough to survive infancy and early childhood faced varying fates. Some were hired out by their foster parents as indentured servants. Others remained with their foster parents as indentured servants until they became of age and married or fended for themselves. Others became a part of the family and when they married they are listed as expostos from...fostered my Maria de Jesus, wife of whoever. In the birth records of their own children, rather than stating that the baptized are children of avós incognitos, the parents' foster parents are sometimes listed as grandparents, indicating to that these expostos were accepted as and took on the status of biological children. They were the luck one. Of all of my exposto ancestors, I have only one that I can't trace to a foster family: Rosa de Jesus, an exposta born about 1840 and baptized in S. Pedro-Ponta Delgada. She was married in Santo António on 27 May 1860 to António da Costa Medeiros (b. 10-June-1831 in Santo António além Capelas), son of Francisco da Costa Medeiros and Ana de Jesus Cabral, grandson of António da Costa Medeiros, Maria Rosa Botelho, José Cabral Oliveira and Maria de Jesus Viveiros. Regards, John Miranda Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Medeiros-Sao Miguel, Silveira-Pico/Terceira, Victor-Te...
In a message dated 2/4/2009 8:06:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, bellema...@gmail.com writes: Does anyone have the following in their family tree? Manuel Medeiros b. Ginetes, Sao Miguel b. ca 1850-60? m. Sabina de Jesus their daughter is Maria Dos Anjos De Sousa Medeiros b. abt. 1880 Candelaria, SM. I might be able to help if I had a generation or two going back. JMR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is couple married ?
In a message dated 1/11/2009 11:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, rpimen...@peoplepc.com writes: Hi all. Ok here is one that is giving me fits. I have the birth of a child “Anna fillia legitma de Antonio Furtado e de Maria da Trindade “. The normal format in this section of records is to use “ sua Mulher” this record does not. I have Antonio as being married to another woman and have six other children one before this one and five after so far and all the names match on these records. This record has a different woman and maternal grandparents. My conclusion is that this is an out of wedlock child but other than the absence of “sua mulher” I am not sure. What do you think? Legitimate would mean they were married. What was the other wife's name? Could it be that the wife was also known by another name. E.g. my paternal grandmother was Maria da Estrela, Maria Leonor and Maria Cândida de Jesus! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abreviation Question
In a message dated 1/8/2009 8:47:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, researchp...@gmail.com writes: List Members- What does Mtz. mean at the beginning of a Place Name in the Azores? Thanks Charlene Matriz? as in Mtz de Ponta Delgada, the mother church of Ponta Delgada? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Word Meaning
In a message dated 1/5/2009 9:24:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, jro...@rogers.com writes: I had assumed from your description, the parents were known, but the paternal grandpartents were unknown. Sometimes later in life, the parents are named, so you see names in later records that you would not see in earlier records. Perhaps it was an oversight on the priest's part but I doubt it. The records were checked by regional overseers. I suppose one can be literal about these things, but the reality most times the father was known, except, perhaps to the priest. And even then I have my doubts that he did not know, as these were small places. The exception would be foundlings. So incognito can mean the father will remain unknown because the mother chooses not to name him. You can see records that reflect the difference when an unmarried mother names the father, the priest writes something to the effect, the father is so and so, according to the mother. In other cases, the priest writes the parents are unmarried and sometimes not of age. In our day, father unknown, can literally mean the mother does not know which of the men in her life is the father. The only time I can see this applicable to our ancestors is if your ancestor was a slave. JR Pai (s) or avós não sabido (s) means the same as incógnito(s). Sometimes, either by formal declaration (noted in the margin of a birth registry) or without a formal acknowledgement, paternity would become known, which would explain why later on someone has grandparents while the parent never had any parents. Also, sometimes, foundlings were subsequently claimed by a single mother, or one who was about to marry the father of the child. She would have hidden her pregnancy as best she could and then surreptitiously left the child at someone's door, often a neighbor or family member, who could be relied upon to care for the child. As for everybody in the village knowing the story, I agree. And even the priest knew, though he could never say, since he would have been bound by the seal of the confessional. Maria would have confessed her sin and soon thereafter her Manuel would have revealed his sin in confession as well. Remember, people were obliged to make their Easter duty, which meant that confession followed by communion was mandatory once a year between the Ash Wednesday and Trinity Sunday. And the confessed were registered on those Rol dos Confessados . It would have been a somple matter of the priest doing the math and keeping his eyes opened. He knew everybody in the parish and would have figured out who was being confessed on the other side of the confessional screen. John Miranda Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Feliz Natal / Merry Christmas
Boas Festas e um feliz Ano Novo cheio de coisas boas! John Miranda Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Keeping track of films
In a message dated 11/23/2008 2:36:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometimes it's very hard to read with the bleedover. You might try to use a light blue or yellow colored paper on the microfilm reader screen, sometimes that will help with the focus. Some people have been copying the frame onto a thumb drive, taking it home and then cleaning the frame up with a photoshop or somesuch program. In the past, whenever I've had a page that was illegible on the microfilm (either because it bled through, or the page appeared blacked out, or the script was just impossible for me and others to decipher), I have written to the archives and had them take a look at the original and send me a typed transcription. This always costs much, much more than the usual prices, but most of the time has been well worth it. John M. Raposo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
