Re: [backstage] IPv6 questionnaire
On 13/08/2010 11:11, Ant Miller wrote: We got contacted by a researcher on an eu project looking at this question. Can you remember which eu project ? f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...
On 27/06/2010 20:53, Kieran Kunhya wrote: Does anyone else see this as the BBC effectively bailing out other broadcasters by providing a common platform backed with licence fee funded content and development? It's unlikely such a wide group of companies would ever reach a consensus otherwise without the BBC. Anything similar would probably take many more years to develop because of all the wrangling or even be homebrew or developed by an outsider (e.g. Boxee). The DRM and payment model is standardised and presumably reasonably secure which reduces the duplicate work required by other broadcasters and makes the user-experience better (one payment gateway, one box etc.). As a user I want just a single garden, I don't want to have vary bits of software with varying levels of brokenness for my choice of platforms. A single platform is good for the user it allows everyone to build to a single standard. It also potentially allows new content providers into the same distribution space without the problem of finding transmission frequencies. So bailing out is not the way I look at it personally. The cost of building the platform in comparison to say electricity overheads to drive transmitters is minimal, based on a back of the envelope calculation on figures from a few years ago. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DIGITAL ECONOMY ACT 2010 ANALYSIS
On 14 Apr 2010, at 08:04, Brian Butterworth wrote: 22-41 TV and radio stuff Not relevant The audience for the article is the ISP industry as the Bill puts a lot of extra work onto the ISPs, who are not best pleased at having to bear the costs of another industry's failure to monetise the digital world. It is an early discussion document as ISPs work out the code of practice that Ofcom will be required to either approve or write. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6 Apr 2010, at 11:38, Christopher Woods wrote: and there's ads appearing in the Grauniad and the Times Just seen some on Facebook as well. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6 Apr 2010, at 18:28, Christopher Woods wrote: Austin Mitchell (and surprisingly, a few other Labour MPs) are talking a lot of sense about the DEB. Shame it'll just get pushed through the wash- up almost irrespective of MPs' (and public) opinion :( unlike Sion Simon who is talking about a fantasy world, in his own words... f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6 Apr 2010, at 19:07, Mo McRoberts wrote: unlike Sion Simon who is talking about a fantasy world, in his own words... utter and total waffle. Tom Watson’s intervention sailed _right_ over his head. and then Pete Wishart, glossing over his register interests rather than 'fessing up in the clear. sigh f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On 6 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Alex Cockell wrote: I'm hoping they'll do the right thing and kill the bill. Nope - just voted to send it to the committee stage tomorrow. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
On 28 Feb 2010, at 17:53, Gordon Joly wrote: why can't the BBC make some programmes available all the time? Rights, dear boy. and Residuals in particular - Equity MU contracts ensure that every time a drama is rescreened the performers get another set of smaller fees. UKGold when it was free based its whole business model on a loophole in the contracts that didn't envisage satellite TV, so had no requirement to pay residuals to performers so it was very cheap TV to broadcast. Whilst some of the performers benefited from fresh exposure, they would also have liked to be paid for it rather than relying on it bringing in new work because they were back in the public eye. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC RD Move- Video
On 1 Feb 2010, at 15:14, Christopher Woods wrote: just epic fails to read some DVDs, and it can't burn DVD+DLs either. That will probably be because it is a DVD-R drive - during the DVDR format wars Apple was on the DVD-R team so didn't support DVD+R till drives came with both. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] New prototype
On 1 Feb 2010, at 22:54, Tim Coysh wrote: I would love to hear your ideas, I think that Ian's ideas could be a great help. Being able to bookmark artists would be useful IMO. Of course then you would need some registration stuff - but that is what OpenID/Federated Login lets you do without owning the hassle of personal data :-) Works fine under Safari on OSX 10.5.8. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?
On 14 Dec 2009, at 18:10, Christopher Woods wrote: ...Until one of only two core LINX routers has a senior moment or Google decides to bork its routing ;) (cf. last week's massive disruption and recent intercontinental slowness courtesy of the Almighty G) errr LINX is a switching layer 2 fabric, not a layer three facility. Routing is carried out by the members over the switch fabrics provided by their membership organisation ie LINX. There are two separate switching fabrics, using kit from different manufacturers so that they have less chance of both failing under the same traffic conditions. Perhaps you confusing the two separate LANS/Switching Fabrics with routers? f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC News - Googlejuice vs Usability
On 20 Nov 2009, at 12:49, Brian Butterworth wrote: As an example, I think for this story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8369764.stm Procter Gamble recalls 120,000 Vicks nasal sprays ...is much clearer than... Thousands of Vicks spray recalled Especially if you don't know what Vicks is. because thousands might be two thousand, not over 100,000... 120K is a scary number to have missed QA, thousands is just a hiccup. The PG bit is not really the useful extra info, the number is. The PG info is useful after the number as you go through the house looking for other products that might have b0rked QA :-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Andrew Bowden wrote: In that case, I think it should be a web forum :) Preferably requiring IE6 and an activeX component in order to function. Normal service is now resumed ;-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
On 19 Oct 2009, at 19:27, Steff Davies wrote: Web-based systems with ancillary email functionality are generally pretty unusable IME. Webcrossing is the exception to that rule - it really does work, but it costs enough money and time that you really need to be able to justify it and I don't think this community hits enough buttons. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] mailing list subs form is broken
Since there is no obvious list admin please accept my apologies for posting this to the list Using the subscription form referenced at the bottom of every email gives: -=-=- ErrorNo email was sent due to an error. 500 Could not open template - No such file or directory /home/system/www/creativearchive/backstage/discuss.txt cgiemail 1.6 -=-=- Could someone poke it when they have a moment. Or even add subscription headers to the emails so subs etc can be done by email rather than via http. Ta f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] mailing list subs form is broken
On 8 Oct 2009, at 23:48, Steve Jolly wrote: PS If you ever bump into him in person, do buy him a beer... Whenever I bump into him he is never drinks beer... f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Site check
On 21 Aug 2009, at 16:14, Phil Lewis wrote: Down for me too. ditto from: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.welcomebackstage.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
On 29 Mar 2009, at 19:48, Dave Crossland wrote: Photography did in portrait painters. Same story, different century. It did ? There really are no portrait painters left? I think the effect of photography was that portraiture as a market increased, the affluent could still ( and did ) get a painter but the masses could either take their own or get a professional in who only needed 10 mins in the shopping centre temporary studio. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Open Platform from the Guardian to make online content available free
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/mar/10/guardian-open-platform key quote hidden towards the end The Guardian is positioning its Open Platform as a commercial venture, requiring partners to carry its advertising as part of its terms and conditions, while BBC Backstage states clearly that its proposition is for individual developers designers and not for big corporates. opening quote about free at the beginning... The Guardian today launched Open Platform, a service that will allow partners to reuse guardian.co.uk content and data for free and weave it into the fabric of the internet. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Norwegian National Broadcaster using OpenTracker Torrent Server to distribute DRM free HDTV
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/08/norways-public-broad-1.html Norway's public broadcaster sets up its own torrent tracker using same code as The Pirate Bay POSTED BY CORY DOCTOROW, MARCH 8, 2009 2:27 PM | PERMALINK Eirikso from NRK, the Norwegian public broadcast, writes to tell us that they've set up their own BitTorrent tracker, adding, The tracker is based on the same OpenTracker software that the Pirate Bay has been using for the last couple of years. By using BitTorrent we can reach our audience with full quality, unencrypted media files. Experience from our early tests show that if we're the best provider of our own content we also gain control of it. The first show we’re putting on our new tracker is a very popular television series about people living in remote places in Norway. It features fascinating people and spectacular scenery. We have provided all the Norwegian subtitle files and if people want to fansub any of the episodes we’re more than happy to let you do that. Please let us know in the comments and we’ll link to your translations. We are providing full quality video files with no DRM. The biggest problem regarding this project is to clear all the rights we need to be able to distribute content in such an open system. NRK is a big content producer, but record labels, actors, external production companies and format rights owners usually have contracts that prevent us from distributing our content freely in the internet. We are in constant negotiations over these issues. And it seems like it should be possible to find a solution where NRK gets the rights it needs and the rights holders get the compensation they want. In addition to this we look into new providers. Pump Audio, Magnatune and other companies with easier licensing systems are interesting sources. The Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation is promoting the free and opensource Miro software as their preferred BitTorrent client. It is user friendly and contains everything you need to both download and play the high quality video files. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:23, Alun Rowe wrote: “Microsoft offers the OS and Office at extremely competitive prices to schools. I have heard it quoted as being around £5 per license for Office.” It is cheaper but not that cheap... At Glasgow University it used to be nearly that cheap - because there was a site wide licence students could get a set of discs for ~£10. Which probably only just about covered the costs of the admin and the floppies. The current retail price for a 3 user Home/School use only copy is £99, inc VAT, so £33 a user. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:51, Alun Rowe wrote: I was basing it on purchasing a single copy. Purchasing a site wide license for say 500 desktops would see significant savings. Which was Adam's point. The Home/Student edition is cheaper but that's not for schools to use, it's for the students to have on their own laptops which they aren't allowed to connect to the school wifi... ?? Well I had better remove the copies off my son's desktop and tell him not to connect to his school network with the laptop... Really ? Do you have a citation for that? My reading of the licence didn't not include those restrictions on the Mac version, albeit a couple of years ago when we purchased the software. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
On 10 Feb 2009, at 10:41, Lee Stone wrote: Get office ultimate 2007 for £38.95 - I believe this is the second year they've done it now as I took advantage of it last year as a student. It certainly makes it a lot more affordable. That would mean running Windaes and me having to support it so no thanks :-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
On 10 Feb 2009, at 12:20, Neil Aberdeen wrote: Interesting as all these discussions are schools will have what's given to them and supported under BSF monoploy IT provision (see http://www.edugeek.net/wiki/index.php/List_of_awarded_ICT_contracts) unless there is resistance and/or failure (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7841850.stm) That only applies to England, not Scotland. It looks like Wales is devolved as well. So move to the North or the West :-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS
On 10 Feb 2009, at 17:57, Richard Smedley wrote: I'm suggesting 500 or 600 wholly new web apps, designed to cover the whole curriculum. A framework would be specified, and commissions given to *UK* developers - including bids from schools. Of course the EU won't let us do it, but there's probably a creative way to frame the tender process. After all, other countries manage. Mark Shuttleworth is developing a set of education material coursework that can be freely distributed. I met someone at the Over The Air event last year who had been working on it, based out of South Africa of course but intended for worldwide distribution. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] free software from ground up home-grown alternative to AIR/Silverlight
On 1 Feb 2009, at 11:23, Ant Miller wrote: But forgive my utter ignorance, but since there is a layer of Google Web Kit underpinning this, doesn't that make it's openess a bit less open? errr WebKit is not a Google engine - it has been open sourced out of Apple, having come out of KHTML/KJS. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] OT - Mobile Broadband
On 26 Jan 2009, at 17:03, Peter Bowyer wrote: As I mentioned earlier in the thread - I have my 3 dongle working fine under Ubuntu. Actually it's CrunchBase, which is Ubuntu-derived. There are several 3 dongles - the E220 works out the box with the Asus EEE distro and Vodaphone have a linux client available that provides drivers if you are using a different distro. You just need to change the APN in the settings from vodaphone's. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] OT - Mobile Broadband
fwiw those two emails with an ITV sig at the bottom are nowt to do with me... f On 26 Jan 2009, at 17:14, Fearghas McKay wrote: On 26 Jan 2009, at 17:03, Peter Bowyer wrote: As I mentioned earlier in the thread - I have my 3 dongle working fine under Ubuntu. Actually it's CrunchBase, which is Ubuntu-derived. There are several 3 dongles - the E220 works out the box with the Asus EEE distro and Vodaphone have a linux client available that provides drivers if you are using a different distro. You just need to change the APN in the settings from vodaphone's. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- ITV plc (Registration No. 4967001)“ITV” is incorporated in England and Wales with its registered office at 200 Grays Inn Road, London WC1X 8HF.Please visit the official ITV website at http:// www.itv.com/ for the latest company news. The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may contain privileged or copyright information. If you have received this email and you are not the intended recipient please notify mailto:postmas...@itv.com and delete this email and you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this email are strictly prohibited. Although ITV routinely screens for viruses, recipients should scan this email and any attachments for viruses. ITV does not certify that this email or any of its attachments is free of viruses or defects. ITV reserves the right to monitor all e mails and the systems upon which such e mails are stored or circulated. This email does not conclude a binding agreement. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITV. Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank You. -- - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] OT - Mobile Broadband
On 25 Jan 2009, at 17:43, zen16...@zen.co.uk zen16...@zen.co.uk wrote: Needs to work on a Mac – MBP. All of the USB dongles should work with a Mac, but you will probably need local knowledge to identify which networks have usable coverage down there. They should all have maps that show network availability. The T-Mobile PAYG lasts 90 days now apparently and the Three one might do - but that may just be you have 90 days to use the voucher and it then lasts for 30 days, which was the scenario. Both of them should sell you a dongle for ~£40 if you shop around. HTH f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide
On 12 Jan 2009, at 15:44, li...@tdobson.net li...@tdobson.net wrote: Now I was just saying that adding DRM to stuff means more CPU cycles, which means DRM is killing the planet!111oneone Or streaming Radio4 leaving its Due to Rights blah blah blah message on during the last few minutes of PM this evening till someone noticed half way through the 6pm headlines and switched it off and the news back on. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fsuk-manchester] Free for All
On 8 Jan 2009, at 21:55, Tim Dobson wrote: Interesting thing to hear.. and the Chris Anderson book on the Long Tail is well worth a read. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Event] Social Innovation Camp in Dec
On 24 Nov 2008, at 13:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 01:35:33PM -, Ian Forrester wrote: You can read more about them here. Where? Please post a link. Those of us who read in plain text or in a non-graphical reader are not gonna be able to click on that! (I can't see any html so I wonder if there was a link there at all?) Would love to read more, please let me know where ;-) I think it is too late unless voting is being held open for another day... There was no link in my version of the mail. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Microsoft says it 'has always preferred' DRM-free content
Brian On 23 Nov 2008, at 09:57, Brian Butterworth wrote: cf http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/02/bbc_backstage_p_1.html Perhaps you could summarise your point rather than just point at a podcast discussion? Thanks f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Microsoft says it 'has always preferred' DRM-free content
On 23 Nov 2008, at 12:31, Brian Butterworth wrote: Of course not. He can't be arsed to listen to the podcast. No you can't be arsed to present your position in the same medium that we are having this discussion. So please explain your point using text rather than just pointing to somewhere in a podcast - without even the benefit of a time point so that we can find it accurately. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Microsoft says it 'has always preferred' DRM-free content
On 23 Nov 2008, at 17:55, Brian Butterworth wrote: To be honest, I have gone over it so many times I got the distinct impression - indeed a direct suggestion from a BBC person I very much respect - to stop going on about it, so I refer you to the podcast discussion because it is the most easily accessible backstage.bbc.co.uk archive. If ( somewhere in ) an hour long prodcast is the most easily accessible presentation of your position perhaps you should post a text version you can refer people to? Or provide timings for those that want to use the podcast. Basically, mathematically DRM is snake oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil_(cryptography) e yes I expect we all know that, but what has that to do with Microsoft's position on DRM in particular? Not trolling - just trying to see what makes their take on it so different other than the fact that they are the evil Borg, albeit with a bunch of very clever smart people working inside it who don't necessarily all run windows. Microsoft is not a monoculture on the inside. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Wealth of Networks event, next Thursday at Imperial College
Margaret On 22 Jul 2008, at 10:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the link for registration: http://wealthofnetworks.eventbrite.com/ Hope you can join us Sam, it's shaping up to be a good event! Are there opportunities for remote participation ? Seeing as it is meant to be part of a National Strategy it would be helpful to not need to travel to the south in order to contribute. Regards Fearghas - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Wealth of Networks event, next Thursday at Imperial College
Margaret On 22 Jul 2008, at 13:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would have been a really good idea - especially as it is meant to cover the nation - but I'm afraid that we have nothing set up for it. Perhaps for the next event? I will be twittering, as I suspect others will as well, so be sure to follow #wealthofnetworks ; and I wouldn't be surprised if there was some Qik coverage as well. Qik is a closed invite only system so doesn't really allow for participation by those outside the closed loop. I'll post all of the blog links that cover the event after the fact on the Wealth of Networks blog, so at least you can read up on it afterwards. Perhaps a formal process for providing feedback on those links, otherwise it is just like crumbs being scattered from the High Table of the King... Cheers f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC E-mail: It's not the Gates, it's the bars
On 4 Jul 2008, at 12:24, Gareth Davis wrote: Anyone else find it strange that Richard Stallman feels it is apparently unjust for Microsoft and others to publish software that users are not free to share and modify, but it is ok to publish an article which readers are not free to share and modify? This is the man who objects to having vegetarians in a dinner group because apparently it restricts his freedom to choose food. So no I don't find it strange. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC E-mail: It's not the Gates, it's the bars
On 4 Jul 2008, at 17:41, Dave Crossland wrote: I am at the http://2008.rmll.info and sat next to Richard, and he says that this is not true. (I hope you are just being fooled by a nasty rumour, rather than making this stuff up.) He said it to me. He was sitting next to me. It was directed at me. Generally I feel the list would be a lot better without all the ad hominem nonsense. Well stop putting your words in our mouths. I will now bow out of this conversation. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100
David On 3 Jul 2008, at 17:46, Dave Crossland wrote: But it tramples our freedom and community, which are more important. There are many different communities on this list - please do not conflate your community with mine. You do not speak for everyone on this list and it would be more helpful if you were to express that in the body of your mail rather than as a disclaimer in your .sig. Ian - it is a new technology, with cross platform client side support that goes beyond Win2K, XP Vista cross platform support. I see no problem in running a competition with it. Delivering all BBC content in it would be different but that is not what is being suggested ;-) The people I have spoken to who have developed with it have mostly had nice things to say about it, after all as we are trying to make new things happen, we should use the best tools that are available for the job whilst allowing as a wide a range of users to participate on the client side. Cheers f -- Who doesn't run Windaes, and has a mix of ~50/50 Linux/OSX boxen. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer and the ISPs - a solution
On 15 Apr 2008, at 12:50, Brian Butterworth wrote: I'm really suprised that no-one actually read what I wrote. We do - it is just that your solution does not solve the cost issues of the second last last mile. The cost of data transport is not from the BBC to the ISP NOC/Data Centre as that is probably on local fibre inside a data centre in Docklands where they are both peering. The cost is the haul to the ISP customer from there - your proposal does not address that. Furthermore the fatter pipes in the future do not solve the charging issue for UK transit. This is an economic issue not a technical capacity issue. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:07:17 +0100
Brian On 14 Apr 2008, at 17:38, Brian Butterworth wrote: It would be lovely if you read my email to the end first! It would be even better if you could learn to quote selectively. [approx 72 lines snipped] Going back on topic - your proposals were designed for the network 10 years ago - it has changed since then both topographically and economically. There are no server facililties close to the ISPs customer, where close is defined as being cheap to deliver to the end user, the ISPs pay more for UK transit over the BT Wholesale networks than they do for International transit. That and dodgy marketing decisions by some players are what cause the financial pain. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Web Semantics - Slicing The Cake
At 15:25 +0100 1/4/08, Andy Leighton wrote: Really? I assume that Fearghas was talking about stuff like the Asus EEE (and the new Elonex One) rather than mobile phone like content. The EEE/Elonex/Cloudbook group of machines have fully functional OSes and fully functional browsers. They are far more like a PC than a mobile phone. Correct - I was specifically thinking of those devices. Things like the Nokia N800/810 and iPhone have hardware zoom buttons or fancy hand movements to zoom. The Asus doesn't have that feature and requires scrolling which is painful. I haven't had time to check the new site propertly with the Asus as it is off being borrowed again - this time on a trip to India, (last time it got to go to Cuba - all because a mate hasn't been able to source one so just 'borrows mine'). FWIW I use all the above devices daily but my main browser experience is on a pair of large screen LCDs and I would like graceful design so that I can view on a 1920 wide screen. The likes of the Ausus is going to change the way that we access content, particularly when there are deals such as the free Cloud wifi for BBC Content - no need for expensive 3G / wifi mobile bandwidth. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?
On 24 Mar 2008, at 23:07, Richard Smedley wrote: I think HHGTTG was the last, wasn't it? Nope that was Radio :-) Well I didn't find the TV as amusing, but then maybe I am being a tad old crusty ;-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Undermining iPlayer DRM
On 7 Mar 2008, at 18:01, Phil Wilson wrote: Anyone got any more details about the streaming being used? Or is there some already out there that I've missed? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/03/bbc_iplayer_on_iphone_behind_t.html Has some more info. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Undermining iPlayer DRM
On 7 Mar 2008, at 18:33, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: please do keep trying to comment Sean - some are getting through making a comment is still timing our for me. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] One-day Conference To Help Web Developers Address Accessibility in Web 2.0
On 5 Mar 2008, at 12:24, Tim Dobson wrote: students... (yes, £90 *is* a lot for a student if you add it to travel and accomodation) I couldn't agree more. £150 for freelancers who live locally, who I bounced this to, has been more than they can afford. And a complete non-starter for coming down from Edinburgh. Is remote participation an option? f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Adobe fuses on and offline worlds
On 26 Feb 2008, at 14:11, Andy wrote: I doubt that it what Dave is saying. It should make it's content available via a standard way (see: http://www.ietf.org , http://www.w3c.org , http://www.iso.org ). That way it can be viewed in both proprietary and Open Source software. See everyone's happy. Only the IETF has an open standards process that anyone can participate in for free and as an individual. The latter two are expensive corporate Standard Setting Organisations and can be regarded as proprietary and closed if you are outside the club. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Internet TV standard
At 02:24 + 26/2/08, Christopher Woods wrote: Hat-tip also to the marvellously geeky bod at the Beeb for the inclusion of the Archimedes reference on the BBC Internet blog. Took me back to when I first got my A3000 :) url ? f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On Friday 22 February 2008 08:03:43 Brian Butterworth wrote: Is the BBC Shop going to swap defunt HD-DVD for BR versions? I don't think HD-DVD machines have suddenly stopped working. As others have said - why should they because they supplied content to you in the format of your choice change it because the supply chain of suitable players may run out at some point in the future? If you are an early adopter of a competing technology you are probably aware of the risks of being left in a cul de sac hardware wise, but the device doesn't just stop working overnight. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RTMP stream URL resolving script
On 21 Jan 2008, at 11:36, Iain Wallace wrote: Did you not see the sign next to the button you just pressed? I'm sorry? The one that says Don't push this button .cf Licencing discussions ad infinitum... Cheers f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RTMP stream URL resolving script
Iain At 12:05 + 21/1/08, Iain Wallace wrote: I'm finding this thread quite useful and interesting. Sorry if you don't. You could always just filter it out in your mail client. If I was objecting to the thread I would have used words like 'ad nauseam' rather than 'ad infinitum' - I was just suggesting a scenario for what Peter was saying regarding the button. Licencing threads do come up here quite frequently and are a passionate subject for some list members. When you first asked for the discussion I thought you were being tongue in cheek as we had a big round of discussions last month. Next time I will put a smiley or something similar. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RTMP stream URL resolving script
On 21 Jan 2008, at 13:12, Iain Wallace wrote: If this is a flame war then it's the most polite flame war I've ever seen! You guys can't have ever posted in videogame forums. No one has even had their sexual leanings questioned yet ;) nah we are just being polite since you are new ;-) Normal service will resume after the watershed! [0] f [0] #insert smiley.h - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RTMP stream URL resolving script
On 18 Jan 2008, at 17:57, Peter Ferne wrote: I'll do that, but for now it's for anyone to use. If you make something amazing from it, credit me in the readme ;) I don't want to get into a discussion about the pros and cons of GPL v3 but I would much prefer to see an MIT or BSD style licence. Can I put in a plea for dual licensing to keep everybody happy? Well I have to say that Iain's licence seems so much more simple, understandable and easy to use :-) Iain - Thanks for the updated code I am sure it will see lots of use :-) f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Muddy Boots on Backstage
Noah On 27 Nov 2007, at 10:57, Noah Slater wrote: To which I have two suggestions: 1) Leave the /discussion/ list you're on. 2) Move to the next message, trash the message and move on. 3) Filter all email with freedom in the body into /dev/null and be done with it. My fourth suggestion would be that perhaps the discussion you want to have is not on topic for a list. As such continuing the discussion you want to have may be off topic for most list members. As to whether this list is an advocacy list for freedom I will leave as the list owners' call. Cheers f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again
On 7 Nov 2007, at 06:00, Brian Butterworth wrote: On 06/11/2007, Fearghas McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:12 + 6/11/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: If the TV Licence was changed to a BBC Licence, it could be collected by the Internet ISPs on top of their monthly charges, which would reduce the collection costs. No it would just move the costs to another party. I guess you can provide some evidence for this? You suggested that the collection costs should be moved from the current operation to the ISPs, you did not provide any reasoning as to why it should be cheaper to move that cost from one dedicated organisation to multiple organisations that exist for a different purpose. So I continue to hold the point that the costs are just moved, not reduced in the absence of any evidence to the contrary. Similar hare brained schemes have been suggested for music, they were deeply unpopular with the ISP community, as would this. I care not. The idea of doing it for music is dumb. The idea of moving the TV licence to broadband connections is not. It has been popular since the 1980s for people to act as selfish as possible and moan about taxes, but my suggestion is simply transferring one tax - a hypotocated one - from one device to another! The objection is not paying the tax, it is moving the collection and attendant costs to multiple third parties. As an aside why should I pay to receive TV over my business connections to sites that don't even have monitors installed ? Businesses have to have a TV licence if they have TVs. I can't see why businesses should not continue to contribute to Auntie. I presume from your comments you are a close the BBC person? My point was how do you tell if a broad band or leased line connection needs to pay under your TV licence model. Why does moving the collection to the ISPs that operate with tiny margins in the access business make it a cheaper collection? BTW No I am not a close the BBC person. Perhaps you could take your advice from a later message and cut out the ad hominum attacks? f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again
Title: Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again At 16:12 + 6/11/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: If the TV Licence was changed to a BBC Licence, it could be collected by the Internet ISPs on top of their monthly charges, which would reduce the collection costs. No it would just move the costs to another party. Similar hare brained schemes have been suggested for music, they were deeply unpopular with the ISP community, as would this. As an aside why should I pay to receive TV over my business connections to sites that don't even have monitors installed ? f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield speaks again
At 01:36 + 7/11/07, Michael Sparks wrote: Has there been a later act/amendment? If the apparatus is not installed or used to receive television programme service then no licence is required. Unplugging the aerial and detuning the set are sufficient to render the apparatus un-installed and unable to receive the television programme service. Unplugging it and putting it in the attic would also be sufficient. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
