[backstage] Lifehacker's Top Ten free video rippers encoders and converters
there's a couple I hadn't heard of on here http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehacker-top-10/top-10-free-video-rippe rs-encoders-and-converters-316478.php
RE: [backstage] Lifehacker's Top Ten free video rippers encoders and converters
oo-er have we strayed onto the wrong list here? this conversation seems drm free, heh I'd like to ask for the link (if you can supply it) to see what you've developed using this HeyWatch ingest/output please From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: 01 November 2007 08:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Lifehacker's Top Ten free video rippers encoders and converters I can highly recommend HeyWatch (from that list). An outstanding service, with an excellent API. I've got it hooked up with a CMS encoding hundreds of videos a month. J On 01/11/2007, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there's a couple I hadn't heard of on here http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehacker-top-10/top-10-free-video-rippe rs-encoders-and-converters-316478.php -- Jason Cartwright Web Specialist, EMEA Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)2070313161
RE: [backstage] Lifehacker's Top Ten free video rippers encoders and converters
riva converts to flv on the desktop if you don't have flash video encoder/ sorenson: http://www.rivavx.com/?encoder it's windows tho so if you're using an alternative OS it's not for you. there's also ffmpeg: http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/faq.html mac apps I don't know about, sorry for you if that's your OS, heh. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 01 November 2007 09:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Lifehacker's Top Ten free video rippers encoders and converters It's a shame that there's so little emphasis on converting to flv format - everything I see is about converting from or playing them (I'm involved with a website which currently embeds video in Real, Windows Media or occassionally QuickTime and MPEGs due to historical reasons, and I'm wondering about a Flash video trial using the FLV player) HeyWatch looks interesting, but I'd rather have something on my desktop! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: 01 November 2007 09:14 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Lifehacker's Top Ten free video rippers encoders and converters Well, the system doing the calls to HeyWatch is proprietary, and firewalled (written in ASP.net, with a MySQL backend). But the output is listed here... http://play.tm/storytype/videos Using the JW FLV player... http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player Which is also used for YouTube-style embedding... http://jasoncartwright.com/blog/entry/2007/6/flash_video_embedding Looking forward to H.264 in the mainstream flash player - then it'll be hello HD (depending on bandwidth and HD source material, both of which are plentiful). J On 01/11/2007, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oo-er have we strayed onto the wrong list here? this conversation seems drm free, heh I'd like to ask for the link (if you can supply it) to see what you've developed using this HeyWatch ingest/output please From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: 01 November 2007 08:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Lifehacker's Top Ten free video rippers encoders and converters I can highly recommend HeyWatch (from that list). An outstanding service, with an excellent API. I've got it hooked up with a CMS encoding hundreds of videos a month. J On 01/11/2007, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there's a couple I hadn't heard of on here http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehacker-top-10/top-10-free-video-rippe rs-encoders-and-converters-316478.php -- Jason Cartwright Web Specialist, EMEA Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)2070313161 -- Jason Cartwright Web Specialist, EMEA Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)2070313161
RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview
I did mean that. Was looking in the wrong place for it. Thanks. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Stone Sent: 31 October 2007 13:47 To: Jeremy Stone; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview Sorry I mean this http://observer.guardian.co.uk/sport/story/0,,2200816,00.html From: Jeremy Stone Sent: 31 October 2007 13:47 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview Do you mean this ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 31 October 2007 13:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview I'm unsure how this bussiness model would translate to other media though. In an article that seems only available in the 'dead tree' edition of last Sunday's Observer, and thus unreferenceable here, some American chap was talking about how live sport will only go up in terms of the rights revenue required to host it on your media outlet. It's the perfect commercial media product that removes all incentive to copy it and redistribute it. Once it is available to be transcribed to a medium that can be replicated and passed around it's lost its value as everyone who was interested was either there or already knows how it turned out. All that's left is to mine the highlights and bloopers to serve ahead of the next game for which you can charge sponsors and consumers anew. In my view (and, I think, the American chap's), that's the model to follow to monetise content. Identify off-schedule content that 'expires' once it has been consumed. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 31 October 2007 12:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview On 31/10/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW I think it's a more powerful argument to state that the value of a recording per-se is now tending towards zero, digital tech having removed scarcity from much of the value chain. The business models which recognise this will thrive in the long term. Bingo! Personally I can see a time when bands will make most of their money from performances and associated merchandising with recordings heading towards either a price of £free, or a Radioheadesque pay what you want. Unless, of course, you want the physical CD (or Vinyl, as it seems to be making a comeback) with bonus extra track and cover art* etc. For which you'll have to pay a premium. I'm unsure how this bussiness model would translate to other media though. *Why did good cover art die out with vinyl anyway?
RE: [backstage] flash accessibility
Hello, sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early 2008): http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Details++-+Deep+Linking There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make more accessible flash: http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about sIFR). Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: video sockets err, that's it. Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there can correct me? S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cisnky Sent: 27 October 2007 16:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users
RE: [backstage] flash accessibility
JC you're right, yes to sound. (*^_^*) blushes that was an oversight, 'video' should've read 'multimedia' in the original email I did have 'file upload' too until I googled 'ajax file upload' S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: 29 October 2007 09:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Sound? J On 29/10/2007, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early 2008): http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Details++-+Deep+Linking There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make more accessible flash: http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about sIFR). Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: video sockets err, that's it. Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there can correct me? S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cisnky Sent: 27 October 2007 16:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet
RE: [backstage] flash accessibility
Hello Jonathan, Adam's beaten me to it with his email below. I think it looks good too but since it's a while til it's technically viable and even once it is, it then has to gain traction with designers I feel we'll be using flash as the de facto standard for video for a long while yet. Adam, H.264 support is out now if you wish to see it: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/hd_video_flash_player.html You'll need latest flash player though: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Sent: 29 October 2007 10:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Jonathan, Looks good however it is pretty pointless for the next year or so until SVG and video tag support is available in any of the browser releases. I'm extremely impressed with Flash video, It is simple to convert the videos using Flash 8 encoder and the files are pretty small. Can not wait until the H.264 codec support is released. Regards Adam Quoting ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Simon, have you seen this rotating, movable video in svg demo? http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/08/svg-video-demo.html regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 29 Oct 2007, at 09:23, Simon Cobb wrote: Hello, sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early 2008): http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Details++-+D eep+Linking There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make more accessible flash: http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about sIFR). Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: video sockets err, that's it. Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there can correct me? S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cisnky Sent: 27 October 2007 16:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious
RE: [backstage] flash accessibility
Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected views. In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam to use. Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. space and return don't work in any browser Got to refute that - I just used it in Safari and it worked just fine. Works in ubuntu linux (my daughter loves this game), works on a windows machine. I'd say that just about covers it for access unless through choice you have made flash unavailable. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 13 October 2007 06:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] flash accessibility Some BBC staff have been known to trumpet the accessibility features of flash. the BBC is also known to have tied itself into this commercial vendor. Can someone explain why on my OS X machine at least the supposedly switch accessible: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/inthenightgarden/flash/index.shtml space and return don't work in any browser and IE crashes cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] flash accessibility
I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected views. In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam to use. Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. space and return don't work in any browser Got to refute that - I just used it in Safari and it worked just fine. Works in ubuntu linux (my daughter loves this game), works on a windows machine. I'd say that just about covers it for access unless through choice you have made flash unavailable. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 13 October 2007 06:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] flash accessibility Some BBC staff have been known to trumpet the accessibility features of flash. the BBC is also known to have tied itself into this commercial vendor. Can someone explain why on my OS X machine at least the supposedly switch accessible: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/inthenightgarden/flash/index.shtml space and return don't work in any browser and IE crashes cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] From FoWA - Paul Graham from Y Combinator
By coincidence I read this on the future of web startups from paul graham just today: http://www.paulgraham.com/webstartups.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr I Forrester Sent: 05 October 2007 01:48 To: BBC Backstage Subject: [backstage] From FoWA - Paul Graham from Y Combinator I attended the FOWA conference and have quite a blog post saved up from my notes. But I wanted to explorer the myths or truths of Silicon Valley. Paul Graham this morning said you should move to silicon valley if your serious about this stuff or at least its an advantage. This caused quite a stir and prompted Ryan Carson (co-owner of the conference) to stand on stage afterwards and say its not about Silicon Valley and you can run successful start-ups anywhere in the world. This was further brought up in a discussion with the guys from Jaiku (finland) and Placez (germany). Tom Coates announced late this afternoon (not seen anything on his blog about it) he would be moving to San Francisco to run the yahoo startup-like project The Brickhouse (congrats tom!). And finally Dick Costolo from Feedburner (Chicago) had a few choice words to say about Paul Graham's its all about Silicon Valley comments. So anyway, I wondered what others felt about this issue? Bobbie has a nice overview of what was said by Paul earlier - http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/10/04/future_of_web_apps_pau l_graham.html Cheers Ian - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] New APIs... What next
Change to flash's crossdomain policy file on bbc.co.uk. Currently Flash's security sandbox won't allow flash hosted on non-BBC (sub)domains to load data like rss feeds. Its crossdomain policy file disallows access to data for all but *.bbc.co.uk hosted flash: http://www.bbc.co.uk/crossdomain.xml Yahoo allow non- *.yahoo sites already for Pipes: http://pipes.yahooapis.com/crossdomain.xml so you can get BBC data that way by using Pipes as a proxy, but it'd be good to get data direct from the source. S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Newey Sent: 04 October 2007 14:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [backstage] New APIs... What next News 24 subtitles in some just-about-live form please :) Steve On 4 Oct 2007, at 13:51, Matthew Cashmore wrote: So come on then... With a fresh burst of energy now the new mailing list is live I thought it was about time we asked that question again... What new feeds and APIs would you like to see from the BBC? Shout loudly and we'll chase them up - if you've got a specific idea that requires a specific feed even better - but if you just fancy messing around with the innards of an obscure part of the organisation, that's fun too ;-) m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
RE: [backstage] Thoughts from a previous BBC employee
Thanks for finding this Ian. Got me thinking too. Jase said: Auntie likes to have few, big, expensive, milestone projects to burn the cash in a predictable manner, whereas the more flexible internet industry takes a gamble on many small, inexpensive, iterative projects. Please fail very quickly - so that you can try again - And Tom Coates (is this* the article you reference Ian? If not, could you dig it out please?): what makes me so surprised when people outside the organisation talk about how scared they are of the huge moves that the BBC can make on the internet, because the truth is that for the most part - with a bunch of limited exceptions - these changes just don't seem to be really happening. The industry should be more furious about the lack of progress at the organisation than the speed of it True dat. To give away my age, I remember listening to Kenny Everett on what was called the wireless back then. His shows were some of the most innovative radio around. His process was iterative, he basically stayed in the studio all week noodling around to see what he thought worked and then delivered his show at the end of that week and let the audience see if that worked. One week development cycles out of which grew many larger and longer running fixtures of his show. Kenny had a vision - he was left alone to see it through. But due to the weekly cycles nothing grew so big or so involved that it couldn't have the plug pulled on it if he or his stakeholders so decided**. As a result, I suspect, little damage was done when it went wrong. And that, to my 1970s self, made the BBC great - it was THE place of innovation in content and technique. * http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2006/07/whos_afraid_of_ashley_highfie ld/ ** my source is the excellent but somewhat rose-tinted and sentimental audio documentary 'Kenny Everett at the Beeb' voiced by Barry Cryer: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenny-Everett-Beeb-Presented-Collection/dp/05635 57117/ref=sr_1_22/203-0986040-9263968?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1191394985sr= 8-22 so I'm aware that this is open to question/ debate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr I Forrester Sent: 03 October 2007 02:57 To: BBC Backstage Subject: [backstage] Thoughts from a previous BBC employee In a similar vein to Tom Coates post a long time ago. Someone who loves the BBC but also hates some of the decisions it makes. Had me up most of the night. http://www.jasoncartwright.com/blog/entry/2007/9/bbc.co.uk_2.0_why_it_is nt_happening - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Re: built with
Wow, it's taken a real beating from the discerning folks on this list Note to self: test these things properly before sending them out :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr I Forrester Sent: 20 September 2007 11:16 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Re: built with http://builtwith.com/default.aspx?www.cubicgarden.com Not a single mention about me running Resin Cheers Ian - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
I am that closes thumb an forefinger to indicate atomic size interested in apple products because I think they dictate how a user can use their product far too much and marrying the iphone to a single network is typical of this arrogance (yes I know it's been hacked open so hopefully the hacks will become more accessible so that everyone can benefit except the poor network) Basically I see apple as the opposite of what this list is about: use our stuff to build your stuff. The very idea. Jobs would hate that you thought apple product could be improved. Am I wrong? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 14 September 2007 08:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 So, if the iPhone is such a brilliant idea, I can only assume that everyone will rush out and replace their keyboards with flat screen devices with no physical feedback? On 14/09/2007, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Officially A Good Thing. I was first with Vodafone years ago when I had my first (pay as you go, aww!) phone - their coverage was great but expensive. Hasn't changed much from what I can tell. O2's network just couldn't handle the amount of usage, especially data-wise - Vodafone's far better geared towards an influx of regular data-and-voice users, and they have a better market presence imo. Could be interesting to see if they can improve on their flatrate data offering off the back of an eventual iPhone package... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 13 September 2007 13:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Internal-Backstage-Discuss Subject: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100 http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/155905316/-299418.php Apple UK is holding a press event next Tuesday at their Regent St. headquarters. Mum is no longer the word they say in the invite, so I guess now we can talk about O2's iPhone deal in the open. Found via Particls ( www.particls.com http://www.particls.com ) --- So I got a feeling Vodafone might have stole the deal from O2. What do others think? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ ] ask first; [ x ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
[backstage] 50 designers 6 questions
more great stuff from the folks at smashingmagazine http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/09/05/50-designers-x-6-questions/ S.
RE: [backstage] resize, rotate and move multiple video files while they are playing...
Thanks for that, very interesting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 29 August 2007 10:11 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] resize, rotate and move multiple video files while they are playing... resize, rotate and move multiple video files while they are playing... http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/08/svg-video-demo.html http://ajaxian.com/archives/svg-video-now-playing-on-a-standard-near-you and http://labs.opera.com./ cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] more data visualisation links
Kim said: Useful or Playful? Is the question to ask. I'd argue that useful and playful can be part of the same thing. Certainly nothing ever stuck with me that I didn't enjoy using/ thinking about. Likewise many of the children I used to teach. The trick is to combine the 2. I think there's ways from that set of visualisations to encourage people to make playful and useful interfaces to bbc data/ apps if the API's were available. Brian said: I presume you have some substantive evidence that no testing is require then? That's not what I said, it's just that I'm not personally convinced that his views are as up-to-date as they should be and so cannot perpetuate his status as an untouchable usability expert. But that's best discussed over a pint at some unspecified future backstage event rather than this list. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 14 August 2007 18:12 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links I guess this brings us right back to Richard MacDuff's Anthem programme which attempted much the same but with music in the first Dirk Gently book (coming soon to Radio 4)... On 14/08/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the point here is 'does the visualisation of the data adds meaning, or is just pretty to look at?'. Does your visualisation tell people more about the data set than the raw numbers? Is it 'legible'? Does it expose trends and meaning that would otherwise be hidden to all but the most numerate? Does it let someone reach sound conclusions faster, or navigate quicker, or become more accurate? Which is Tufte territory, not Nielsen. http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/ Not that there's anything wrong with pretty, but good datavis is about adding layers of meaning, as well as the layers of aesthetics. Its possible to remove the 'data' during the visualisation process and turn it in to a purely aesthetic entertainment experience, too. Some of the Jonathan Harris stuff does this - it's information as spectacle. Fun to look at, not 'wrong' per se, but a terrible way of actually turning data - information - knowledge. Useful or Playful? Is the question to ask. Some of these seem to be of dubious real use. Has anyone put any of them though Jakob Nielsen-style user testing? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] more data visualisation links
That's a total cop-out, either you can explain why no usability testing is required or not. if I'd taken up either position, I would explain it, I'm not going to do it just because you ask. Personally I don't drink so I can't see why I would never discover the great truth that has been revealed to your good self. I don't have any truths. Except the truth that I can't spend time discussing on this list something that's off-topic and that would be quicker done face-to-face. That's all the pint reference was about. Not some Blake-style path to enlightenment by excess. Over and out. I'm done here. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 15 August 2007 10:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links On 15/08/07, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim said: Useful or Playful? Is the question to ask. I'd argue that useful and playful can be part of the same thing. Certainly nothing ever stuck with me that I didn't enjoy using/ thinking about. Likewise many of the children I used to teach. The trick is to combine the 2. I think there's ways from that set of visualisations to encourage people to make playful and useful interfaces to bbc data/ apps if the API's were available. As I was trying to say, a system that allows the end-user to construct live visualizations of data is a commendable idea, but (almost) by definition this will be impossible for others to use. For example, many people will use red to indicate an error state and green to indicate a OK condition. But you can't use that for everyone as 10% of men are red-green colourblind. If you do some research you will also find out that some people are visually-orientated and respond well to these kinds of representations. But others prefer speech over visual explanations and this kind of thing will exclude those people. Brian said: I presume you have some substantive evidence that no testing is require then? That's not what I said, it's just that I'm not personally convinced that his views are as up-to-date as they should be and so cannot perpetuate his status as an untouchable usability expert. But that's best discussed over a pint at some unspecified future backstage event rather than this list. That's a total cop-out, either you can explain why no usability testing is required or not. Personally I don't drink so I can't see why I would never discover the great truth that has been revealed to your good self. Simply being rude about someone is a failure to explain - just an insult rather than a debunking. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 14 August 2007 18:12 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links I guess this brings us right back to Richard MacDuff's Anthem programme which attempted much the same but with music in the first Dirk Gently book (coming soon to Radio 4)... On 14/08/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the point here is 'does the visualisation of the data adds meaning, or is just pretty to look at?'. Does your visualisation tell people more about the data set than the raw numbers? Is it 'legible'? Does it expose trends and meaning that would otherwise be hidden to all but the most numerate? Does it let someone reach sound conclusions faster, or navigate quicker, or become more accurate? Which is Tufte territory, not Nielsen. http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/ Not that there's anything wrong with pretty, but good datavis is about adding layers of meaning, as well as the layers of aesthetics. Its possible to remove the 'data' during the visualisation process and turn it in to a purely aesthetic entertainment experience, too. Some of the Jonathan Harris stuff does this - it's information as spectacle. Fun to look at, not 'wrong' per se, but a terrible way of actually turning data - information - knowledge. Useful or Playful? Is the question to ask. Some of these seem to be of dubious real use. Has anyone put any of them though Jakob Nielsen-style user testing? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html
[backstage] more data visualisation links
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/08/02/data-visualization-modern-app roaches/ Now, I'd like to see the musicovery.com approach applied as an alternative nav for the bbc radio player: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index.shtml?button From: Simon Cobb Sent: 16 May 2007 09:42 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: data visualisation links Despite its use of the word 'awesome', this article led me to some interesting stuff: http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/ hope it does the same for you. Disclaimer: I forward it for the ideas/ concepts deployed by these sites, not for their accessibility
RE: [backstage] more data visualisation links
Every time with the Jakob. I've already expressed my (obviously personal) opinion once so here is my Nielsen haiku: Modern users ask what time is Mr Nielsen? 1994. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 14 August 2007 14:54 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links Some of these seem to be of dubious real use. Has anyone put any of them though Jakob Nielsen-style user testing? For example, I got taught to use mind-maps back at school in '86, but the whole point of them is that you create them personally to help you to use a visual system to help memorise abstract things - if someone else (or a machine) makes them then you are into meaningless territory... The spiky-graph one is the most comprehensible style. On 14/08/07, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/08/02/data-visualization-modern-app roaches/ Now, I'd like to see the musicovery.com http://musicovery.com/ approach applied as an alternative nav for the bbc radio player: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index.shtml?button From: Simon Cobb Sent: 16 May 2007 09:42 To: ' backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk ' Subject: data visualisation links Despite its use of the word 'awesome', this article led me to some interesting stuff: http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/ hope it does the same for you. Disclaimer: I forward it for the ideas/ concepts deployed by these sites, not for their accessibility -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting
(EXTREMELY) minority OSes? I mean, come on, hands up who here on the list uses Linux as their primary OS. And me. And as such I just accept that if I want to watch any channel's output on-demand, there's a box in my living room that will capture it for me with the minimum of configuration. It's an old-fangled piece of tech called a video recorder. But that's just me S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robl Sent: 01 August 2007 09:39 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting Not that I'm condoning the choice, personally I'll always prefer an agnostic system, but, well, maybe the BBC were just realists when it came to the practicalities of development cost versus ROI from creating versions for (EXTREMELY) minority OSes? I mean, come on, hands up who here on the list uses Linux as their primary OS. Me - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Kontiki Backlash
That IS funny, but how many folks ever ever read the t's and c's? I know I don't: http://www.eff.org/wp/eula.php and http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000892.html S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Bowyer Sent: 30 July 2007 12:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Kontiki Backlash On 30/07/07, James Bridle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The software runs without your knowledge, although you agree to this in the terms and conditions. Splorf! -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com
Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Jolly Sent: 27 July 2007 09:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com Simon Cobb wrote: p2p though? I thought it was straight downloads. Can anyone set me straight? Thanks. It's p2p - based on Kontiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontiki S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
did you all see this already? NOt been following the list today: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/25/bbc_iplayer_linux_macosx/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of vijay chopra Sent: Wed 25/07/2007 3:28 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition On 25/07/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't get anything, the FOI Act makes provision for the witholding of documentation relating to commercial negotiations. The whole point of the BBC is that it's not a commercial entity (at least domestically). Besides, if I don't ask, I won't get; if I do ask, the worst they can do is refuse me. Vijay.
[backstage] Microsoft TV - Live!
Microsoft Research beta 'livestation' - in Silverlight, yet! http://beta.livestation.com/ I tried to sign up for this but got the following reply: Thanks for your request to sign up for the LiveStation beta technical trial. We are currently running a public technical trial and this means that we are growing the user base in a controlled manner to monitor how growth affects a variety of LiveStation parameters. Due to the popularity of the trial, we cannot guarantee your request to participate will be successful at this stage. However, we will endeavour to ensure you are on the next phase of the release, coming soon. Thanks again for your interest, we look forward to bringing live TV to your computer very soon! The LiveStation Team Found out about livestation from mashable.com: Found it in this news story: http://mashable.com/2007/07/05/livestation/ http://mashable.com/2007/07/05/livestation/
RE: [backstage] Microsoft TV - Live!
If I'd know they were going to be picky about who they picked I wouldn't have signed up as Juan Tanamera, CEO JuantastiCo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 06 July 2007 09:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Microsoft TV - Live! Applied... Symbolic irony? The woman in the site's stock art is sitting in the grass and using (presumably) LiveStation... on an iBook. Hah. ... Or is this a hint towards Microsoft implementing some of that much-vaunted platform agnosticism we all talk about but never seem to see much of? From: Simon Cobb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 July 2007 09:04 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Microsoft TV - Live! Microsoft Research beta 'livestation' - in Silverlight, yet! http://beta.livestation.com/ I tried to sign up for this but got the following reply: Thanks for your request to sign up for the LiveStation beta technical trial. We are currently running a public technical trial and this means that we are growing the user base in a controlled manner to monitor how growth affects a variety of LiveStation parameters. Due to the popularity of the trial, we cannot guarantee your request to participate will be successful at this stage. However, we will endeavour to ensure you are on the next phase of the release, coming soon. Thanks again for your interest, we look forward to bringing live TV to your computer very soon! The LiveStation Team Found out about livestation from mashable.com: Found it in this news story: http://mashable.com/2007/07/05/livestation/ http://mashable.com/2007/07/05/livestation/
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
I can't answer that, but I noticed that during the championship playoff final yesterday my digital radio (some Argos cheapo) displayed 5 live as: BBC Radio 5l I had to look twice at the lower case l on the end to work out what it was. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Kirk Sent: 29 May 2007 14:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Radio 7 Last night I noticed my digital radio (The Bug) displayed BBC Radio 7 instead of the usual BBC 7. The shortcut also displayed as BBC R7, like Radio 4 does. I investigated and found 6music had also changed - BBC Radio 6 music. Why is this? Obviously it's a radio broadcast - it's a digital radio... BBC Radio 1 - 4 Five Five I understand, as, broadcast on traditional radio, have always been called this; 7 never has. -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design'
This was an interesting article on UI design. http://tantek.com/log/2007/02.html#d19t1813 It's from February so you may have already seen it. I found it referenced on the codinghorror blog which also has an article in praise of javascript (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000857.html) -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 May 2007 17:05 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' You may also like to try this site, it has access to Google, Microsoft, Ask and NASA mapping and satellite photos... http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.509979lon=-0.226138z=17.8; r=0src=msl It is easily iframed Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: 16 May 2007 09:34 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' Yes, javascript is required for the full, slick experience, obviously. All parts of the site are still usable when JS is off (that I can see), and seemingly entirely accessible via the keyboard. With JS on, the keys work in most browsers, although some require you to have the map in focus. Of course Google Maps has a well documented API that could be used to create uber-accessible versions for different needs - http://www.google.com/apis/maps/ J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 May 2007 21:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' Jason Stephen, when javascript is disabled in Opera or Camino the message is: Your web browser is not fully supported by Google Maps I wonder is the code IE7 specific? none of the keys work for me on os x unless I'm missing something this hardly qualifies as accessible... regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 15 May 2007, at 16:57, Jason Cartwright wrote: Disable javascript. Everything works fine. J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 May 2007 16:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' Richard, how does one use http://maps.google.com/ via the keyboard? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 15 May 2007, at 13:22, Richard Lockwood wrote: This particular rant seems to be about useability rather than accessibility (although I appreciate the two are often closely related). Much as I often loathe Nielsen's writing - Jason's right, it's often all about Nielsen more than it is about any actual problems - in this case he's got a point. Web 2.0 sites are often completely unuseable - MySpace being a prime example, and Flickr (although it's been a while since I tried to use it to post a few pics and it may well have improved) another. Google Maps however, I'd hold up as a prime example of excellent intuitive design and useability. Just as the phrase Web 2.0 means different things to all people (I avoid it if at all possible as I feel it just makes the user sound like a buzzword spouting bandwagon-jumper who hasn't a clue what he's actually saying ;-) ), you can't tar all Web 2.0 sites with the same brush. Anyway, I've banged on far too long now, and this is what Nielsen wants - people to discuss HIM HIM HIM!!! Frankly, the less I hear of and from this tedious old bore, the happier I am. Cheers, Rich. On 5/15/07, ~:'' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Gordon any good Accessible Web 2.0 websites you'd care to plug? or are you in a rush? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 15 May 2007, at 10:18, Jason Cartwright wrote: This is all my personal opinion, and I entirely disagree. Mr Nielsen has a history of spouting contrary opinions to court controversy and gain publicity for himself and his company. Web 2.0[1] (for me at least) incorporates best practice methodologies of developing to standards (and the consequences of this, such as progressive enhancement etc) and trusting users as co- developers [2]. These core principals of Web 2.0 encourage good design. As with any technology, Web 2.0 will be misused - it's not the technology's fault that this happens, it's the designer/developer that fouled it up's problem. That doesn't look as good when you're goading mainstream journos into writing about you though, does it? J [1] I've stuck all these in quotes, as I think Web 2.0 means different things to different people. [2] Tim O'Reilly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL
RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design'
I still think he needs to update his own web site though, it looks like it's stuck in the 90s. Do you mean useit.com? Agreed. I'm not saying Jakob has nothing to say but to paraphrase 80s ska combo Madness don't watch that, watch this..!: http://www.informationarchitects.jp/ Now, whether information architects have got anything to say or not is besides the point. They look and feel like they're operating in 2007 which means they're instantly more relevant to anyone building a site today. Just my 2p. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 22 May 2007 18:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' I get the feeling Nielson is deliberately provocative for the sake of it sometimes (although if it sparks discussion in an area, then hell why not). I still think he needs to update his own web site though, it looks like it's stuck in the 90s. I think I've said that before, too :/ -Original Message- From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 May 2007 14:12 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' Something that every web developer capable of writing their own name without using Dreamweaver or Frontpage has been banging on about for the last 15 years. I don't see why Nielsen gets the credit for that one. :-) Cheers, Rich. On 5/22/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Minimize the number of text fields in your interfaces down to the absolute minimum necessary. Minimize the number of click/keystrokes/gestures necessary to accomplish actions in your interface. Make your interface as responsive as possible - minimize the latency of each and every action a user might take in your interface.' Something that Jakob Nielsen's been on about for about fifteen years, methinks. www.useit.com Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 22 May 2007 11:47 To: Simon Cobb; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' This was an interesting article on UI design. http://tantek.com/log/2007/02.html#d19t1813 It's from February so you may have already seen it. I found it referenced on the codinghorror blog which also has an article in praise of javascript (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000857.html) -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 May 2007 17:05 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' You may also like to try this site, it has access to Google, Microsoft, Ask and NASA mapping and satellite photos... http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.509979lon=-0.226138z=17.8; r=0src=msl It is easily iframed Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: 16 May 2007 09:34 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' Yes, javascript is required for the full, slick experience, obviously. All parts of the site are still usable when JS is off (that I can see), and seemingly entirely accessible via the keyboard. With JS on, the keys work in most browsers, although some require you to have the map in focus. Of course Google Maps has a well documented API that could be used to create uber-accessible versions for different needs - http://www.google.com/apis/maps/ J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 May 2007 21:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' Jason Stephen, when javascript is disabled in Opera or Camino the message is: Your web browser is not fully supported by Google Maps I wonder is the code IE7 specific? none of the keys work for me on os x unless I'm missing something this hardly qualifies as accessible... regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 15 May 2007, at 16:57, Jason Cartwright wrote: Disable javascript. Everything works fine. J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 May 2007 16:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design
RE: [backstage] attendin' Hackday
not sure if you're referring to me and http://www.peepo.co.uk; yes Jonathan, sorry, I was referring to you but realise I could equally have been referring to Jason with the abbreviated appellation: JC. Anyway as to my browser/ OS, I'm using firefox on latest ubuntu (7.04 feisty fawn) and I can't get any reaction from the page. S. -Original Message- From: ~:'' [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 19/05/2007 11:31 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Simon Cobb Subject: Re: [backstage] attendin' Hackday Simon, not sure if you're referring to me and http://www.peepo.co.uk, if so... what browser are you using? http://www.peepo.co.uk been tested with recent Opera and Firefox nightlies: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ it's taken me nearly three years bug filing, nudging and hassling developers to include keyboard accessibility. it's not part of the SVG1.1 specification, so it's amazing devotion by the relevant personnel. regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 18 May 2007, at 19:30, Simon Cobb wrote: argh that page makes me wish I was going. hackday clearly needs flash/ flex! JC, I'm clearly missing something, but how is the web page you link to navigable by keyboard only? I had to use my mouse. Tab, space, enter and the arrows - all standard conventional access keys produce no response from the page. What's the trick here? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom Scott Sent: Fri 18/05/2007 12:38 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] attendin' Hackday Okay - in an effort to cut off the massive flow of I'm attending, want to make a team traffic that I've already contributed to - and because there seems to be no other official discussion routes! - I've set up http://hackdaylondon.pbwiki.com as a strictly unofficial Wiki site. Hopefully it'll be a useful discussion point as it is for BarCamp - there's a starting template for team lists and interests, useful links, etc. etc. It'll probably get overtaken by an official discussion board at some point, but it should do in the meantime! -- Tom gareth rushgrove wrote: Yeah, Some good news! The emaili just popped into my inbox to brighten up my day. Now all I need is a good idea... Any other confirmed attendees? G - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.
RE: [backstage] attendin' Hackday
argh that page makes me wish I was going. hackday clearly needs flash/ flex! JC, I'm clearly missing something, but how is the web page you link to navigable by keyboard only? I had to use my mouse. Tab, space, enter and the arrows - all standard conventional access keys produce no response from the page. What's the trick here? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom Scott Sent: Fri 18/05/2007 12:38 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] attendin' Hackday Okay - in an effort to cut off the massive flow of I'm attending, want to make a team traffic that I've already contributed to - and because there seems to be no other official discussion routes! - I've set up http://hackdaylondon.pbwiki.com as a strictly unofficial Wiki site. Hopefully it'll be a useful discussion point as it is for BarCamp - there's a starting template for team lists and interests, useful links, etc. etc. It'll probably get overtaken by an official discussion board at some point, but it should do in the meantime! -- Tom gareth rushgrove wrote: Yeah, Some good news! The emaili just popped into my inbox to brighten up my day. Now all I need is a good idea... Any other confirmed attendees? G - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] data visualisation links
Despite its use of the word 'awesome', this article led me to some interesting stuff: http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/ hope it does the same for you. Disclaimer: I forward it for the ideas/ concepts deployed by these sites, not for their accessibility
RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design'
Uhhh, del.icio.us ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 May 2007 12:52 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' Jason Gordon any good Accessible Web 2.0 websites you'd care to plug? or are you in a rush? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 15 May 2007, at 10:18, Jason Cartwright wrote: This is all my personal opinion, and I entirely disagree. Mr Nielsen has a history of spouting contrary opinions to court controversy and gain publicity for himself and his company. Web 2.0[1] (for me at least) incorporates best practice methodologies of developing to standards (and the consequences of this, such as progressive enhancement etc) and trusting users as co-developers [2]. These core principals of Web 2.0 encourage good design. As with any technology, Web 2.0 will be misused - it's not the technology's fault that this happens, it's the designer/developer that fouled it up's problem. That doesn't look as good when you're goading mainstream journos into writing about you though, does it? J [1] I've stuck all these in quotes, as I think Web 2.0 means different things to different people. [2] Tim O'Reilly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 May 2007 08:48 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Jakob Nielsen: Web 2.0 'neglecting good design' Jakob Nielsen: Web 2.0 'neglecting good design' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6653119.stm seems to have copied my pitch for hackday ~: has he been invited? was I? did anyone else have ideas or requirements for an accessible SVG front end? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet http://www.eas-i.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] SVG used by Office of National Statistics in BBC business report
I feel obligated to do this DISCLAIMER: these are my views - I, not the bbc, should be held responsible for any buffoonery contained herein more svg: http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/DRAWINGS/clock_plain.svg but as a Flash developer my first reaction to any current svg content is nice try, thanks for playing, we'll keep your details on file but really you need to come back when you're bigger and stronger but perhaps by then, Adobe may have open sourced Flash much as Sun have done with java freeing the pursuit of accessibility of the swf format to be driven by something other than market forces. A man can dream. just my 2p From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 16 January 2007 14:24 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Jason Cartwright Subject: Re: [backstage] SVG used by Office of National Statistics in BBC business report Jason, surely no tech demo rubbish on backstage ~: you might try Opera, the results are instant and the interface reasonable. alternatively why not file a bug report? the ff default small text is already reported by me: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366539 SVG standards are designed to be accessible, the current implementations aren't perfect. whereas for instance there still isn't a single javascript dropdown menu object that's accessible. I should know, I wrote the W3C accessible client-side scripting guidelines ~: Server-side scripting is notorious for creating accessibility problems. Jonathan Hassell is the chap to speak to at the BBC regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 16 Jan 2007, at 10:46, Jason Cartwright wrote: ** This is all my personal opinion ** ONS and BBC reckon the public is ready. I don't see the BBC saying that. In fact the BBC News article disclaims itself from the content of the page linked to... The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites Personally, it looks pretty ridicuous to use SVG here. Well over 50% (perhaps more than 60% or 70%) of the audience can't view the content - including me with the latest version of IE7. Even in FF2 I can't select the text in the textboxes, I can't put the cursor in the textboxes anywhere other than at each end, its slow, quite a bit of the text is unreadably small. Its painful. Give me a Flash version or javascript version, falling back to doing the processing serverside rather than this tech demo rubbish. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 16 January 2007 09:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] SVG used by Office of National Statistics in BBC business report Quite amazing! All you backstage groupies can now start using SVG! as ONS and BBC reckon the public is ready. copied and edited from svg-developers@yahoogroups.com This made yesterday's bbc business headlines so you might forgive them to not mention SVG but here is another statistics example that works ASV3, FF, Opera ... The Office for National Statistics published an interactive visualisation tool that lets you analyse your personal spending habits with regard to the Retail Price Index (inflation). See more information at http://www.statisti http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pic/ cs.gov.uk/pic/ or point your SVG enabled browser directly to http://www.statisti http://www.statistics.gov.uk/PIC/index.html cs.gov.uk/PIC/index.html For feedback: svg [at] ons.gov.uk and btw the bbc link is http://news. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6263571.stm bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6263571.stm cheers Jonathan Chetwynd
Re: [backstage] The best WebAPIs
it's not an API, but I like the javascript library 'mochikit': http://mochikit.com/ http://mochikit.com/ I like that it is lightweight, practical, tidy (because it's modelled on a tidy language - Python) and feels so clean to use. And the docs are exemplary in my view. Basically, it doesn't waste my time. That's what I would want from a BBC API. S. bbc.co.uk/cbbc/ bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/
