Re: [Bacula-users] Solved why Windows FD 1.38 sometime is slow
Hello, Please always copy the bacula-users list so that the others can benefit from what you are discovering. On Wednesday 31 January 2007 07:29, Gabriele Bulfon wrote: So, if I force the windows machines to 32K net buffer, what is the correct way to handle the others daemons? Normally, if a network card/OS doesn't gracefully handle 65K network buffers, you need only change it for that machine, especially if it is the FD. - should I force to 32K the sd too? If it is a Linux machine that should not really be necessary. However, in one case I am not really sure, and that is during restores, if the SD is sending 65K buffers and the FD is receiving in 32K buffers, I am not sure if you will run into the same slow down problem ... In principle, the TCP/IP protocol should handle it. Some testing of restore speeds with SD buffer sizes at 65K and 32K could probably answer this question. One downside to setting the SD to 32K max buffer size may be that transfers from Linux (or well behaving Win32) machines may run slower. For anyone sending data across the Internet, you should seriously consider setting the maximum network buffer size smaller. - should I force any other fd on the lan to 32k too? I don't see any reason to do so unless they are having speed problems. - may I leave everything to default, but the windows machines? Yes, I would say so, with the reservation I made above about possible slowdown of restores. At the moment I forced everything to 32k. I don't see any great problem with that. Previous performance testing by a user showed that on Linux/Unix machines the performance could have spectacular speedups by increasing the network buffer size -- even more than 65K. If the system is reliable and fast enough for you at 32K buffer size, I would be inclined to keep it that way. If not, experiment. However, in any experimentation, you need to keep good paper records of what you are changing and what the results are, or you can quickly get lost ... Regards, Kern Gabriele Bulfon - Sonicle S.r.l. Tel +39 028246016 Int. 30 - Fax +39 028243880 Via Felice Cavallotti 16 - 20089, Rozzano - Milano - ITALY http://www.sonicle.com --- --- Da: Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Gabriele Bulfon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data: 30 gennaio 2007 20.16.33 CET Oggetto: Re: [Bacula-users] Solved why Windows FD 1.38 sometime is slow Hello, On Tuesday 30 January 2007 18:41, Gabriele Bulfon wrote: I had headaches for a week, trying to figure out why some windows FDs were VERY slow compared to all the rest of FDs. These slow clients were all rating at around 1Mb/s. After playing a bit with many system and bacula parameters, I decided not to trust what was stated in the manual: the default Maximum Network Buffer Size = 32768. Because I tried rising this parameter to double default, both on sd and all fds, and noticed that I had a slow down of all the FDs, I put back everything to default. Then I decided to explicitly set the Maximum Network Buffer Size = 32768 to the windows machine that was still so slowand it magically started to work as the rest of fds!!! Yes, you are right. The documentation is incorrect. The default was 32768 but was at some point changed to 65536, but the documentation did not get updated. The 65536 works very well in the Unix/Linux environment, but as you have discovered (absolutely amazing), it may not work on some network cards. This was mentioned in the manual. However, I have now updated the manual to have the correct default and to more clearly point out the potential problems. Beacuse I have another windows FD on the same installation, with the same version of bacula, and this one was going fine with the default (MNB not specified), what I believe is that the windows setup has been built with a different default (maybe 65536), and this setting may be fine only in specific situations. What I mean, is that probably 32768 is fine for almost any card, but 65536 may be fine only for cards that support this buffer size. What I know now is that explicitly setting the buffer to 32768 on the bacula fd will work. After finding this, I did the same on other 3 installations where I had similar problems, and it worked! Thanx to everyone that tried to help me. Thanks to you for discovering it ... Best regards, Kern Gabriele. Gabriele Bulfon - Sonicle S.r.l. Tel +39 028246016 Int. 30 - Fax +39 028243880 Via Felice Cavallotti 16 - 20089, Rozzano - Milano - ITALY http://www.sonicle.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash
Re: [Bacula-users] force status full
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 08:41, Manuel Staechele wrote: hi, i want every media LastWritten 7 days ago to go in full status. because if the media is append, it will not automatic pruned i have wrote a little sql query to do the job, but want ask if there is a better, than execute the sql query every day. I'll let others on this list answer your question, but in your SQL below, I see no reason to change a Used status to Full. sql query: UPDATE Media SET VolStatus = 'Full' WHERE (VolStatus = 'Append' or VolStatus = 'Used') AND LastWritten NOW() - interval 7 DAY thanks for idees. greetings manuel staechele - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
Kern Sibbald wrote: Another thing to check for is HP printers on the network, which have the nasty habit of using non-registered ports e.g. 9001, 9002, or 9003, which can cause disconnects by Bacula. If you find printers probing/using those ports, either reconfigure the printers or Bacula (preferably the former since the ports are officially registered by IANA to Bacula). Port conflicts are a known annoyance, but maybe it would help to disseminate the information about Bacula usage, for example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers Should the need to introduce incompatible changes in the protocol arise, which I guess would be Bacula 3.0, maybe a different set of default ports could be considered ? HP networked printers are fairly common. Davide Bolcioni -- Paranoia is an afterthought. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat)
Hi, I know I am a little late with this comment and it is probably not welcome... But I feel it needs stating ...RANT... I am not happy with the client-specific gui (bat). It would surely be better to have a server based gui run from a web-browser - what I had hoped bacula-web would become. I don't much look forward to only being able to run the bat gui on linux boxes other UNIX clients to which it has been ported. OK, you will no doubt port it to windows also - but consider that I can run bacula-web from any web enabled device even my mobile phone! Surely bacula-web should be further developed to provide the kind of functionality for a bacula-server that swat does for samba the cups web-interface does for cups etc. ...END of RANT... In the meantime - back to my development network reliably secured with bacula - Thanks to Kern et al. Andrew R Paterson DS Ltd. www.ds.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kern Sibbald Sent: 30 January 2007 7:06PM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: bacula-devel Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat) On Tuesday 30 January 2007 17:48, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not to be chomping at the bit here, but I guess questions that I have are A) How hard is it likely to be to get this thing built for Windows? I don't expect you to have an answer for that as I suppose Robert does most of the Windows work, but I'd be curious to know. B) If anyone is familiar with this, on Solaris, is there a set of files that one can add to a system that is relatively lightweight to support something like this? Perhaps you have other KDE apps and know how this works. In my experience, most distros want the qt libs package, but then that package wants about 30 others. Thanks for any insights from the peanut gallery. I'd love to start using this, but would pass for the time being if it will require extensive dependency building. I'll just reply to the Solaris part. I typically grab a good deal of this sort of stuff from sunfreeware. I try not to get things I don't need, but when you have a chain of dependencies, you don't have much choice -- either you want that capability or you scrap the whole thing. I have a directory /usr/local/pkg and a directory /usr/local/src, and I keep everything I have installed in one or the other of those. Some things you need source, some things it's unnecessary overhead and trouble. For me, Solaris is for servers. My desktop is Mac OS X. I don't use any graphical interface on my servers. I typically have a dozen or more terminal windows open with ssh sessions. If I were going to use a gui for something like bacula, I would want it at my desktop, not on the server. So, while my backup servers and everything would be on Solaris, I would want a client/server arrangement where I could do the administration from a gui on my Mac. Don't know if that fits with the current plan, but it seems most logical to me -- architecturally more robust and not caught up in the exporting of graphical interface through something like X11. From my perspective, that's not what a server ought to be spending its time doing. I would want the bacula install to be modular enough that I wouldn't have to install the graphical stuff on my server. What is written above is not totally clear to me. The bat is a GUI application that will run on a large variety of machines Linux, Windows, Solaris, FreeBSD, Mac OS X and others. The communications to the Director does not use X11 but simple TCP/IP. There is no requirement to have the GUI installed on the server. --- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology Geology Departments (*) \(*) -- 140 Morrill Science Center ~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Erdös 4 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list
[Bacula-users] Generate ISO's only
Hi, Is it possible with bacula to stop after generating the ISO and tell bacula not to write the actual CD/DVD? What we would like to do is to store all the backups in a shared folder, and have one person in charge of burning things from this directory periodically. Thanks. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Generate ISO's only
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruben Lopez Sent: 31 January 2007 11:20 To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] Generate ISO's only Hi, Is it possible with bacula to stop after generating the ISO and tell bacula not to write the actual CD/DVD? What we would like to do is to store all the backups in a shared folder, and have one person in charge of burning things from this directory periodically. Hi, At present this is not something that can be done without a bit of scripting and changes to the dvd-handler script (and maybe adding a wrapper script around mount). I don't have time to do it at the moment but here are the changes required just in case someone else has time 1 - make dvd-handler write/add to an ISO and not a device it also needs to do some magic to allow different iso images to live in the same directory (probably using the base volumename as a parameter) 2 - make dvd-handler aware of the disk size (currently it reads it from the disk itself at runtime). Basically the free command for dvd-handler needs to return the size without knowing the disk size 3 - wrap the current call to mount in a script (dvd-mount?) that takes the volumename and finds the appropriate iso image. Finally I know that kern has a dvd-simulator script for testing as I remember that doesn't actually write the iso itself so it isn't fully useful but it probably has some useful bits in there. Richard P.S. This functionality would be really useful for DVD regression testing. It would speed up the testing no-end whilst actually generating the proper iso image. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat)
Perhaps you can take a look at this: http://www.opencountry.com/products/ocmwebminplus_home.html Ger. Op woensdag 31 januari 2007 11:33, schreef Andrew Paterson: Hi, I know I am a little late with this comment and it is probably not welcome... But I feel it needs stating ...RANT... I am not happy with the client-specific gui (bat). It would surely be better to have a server based gui run from a web-browser - what I had hoped bacula-web would become. I don't much look forward to only being able to run the bat gui on linux boxes other UNIX clients to which it has been ported. OK, you will no doubt port it to windows also - but consider that I can run bacula-web from any web enabled device even my mobile phone! Surely bacula-web should be further developed to provide the kind of functionality for a bacula-server that swat does for samba the cups web-interface does for cups etc. ...END of RANT... In the meantime - back to my development network reliably secured with bacula - Thanks to Kern et al. Andrew R Paterson DS Ltd. www.ds.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kern Sibbald Sent: 30 January 2007 7:06PM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: bacula-devel Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat) On Tuesday 30 January 2007 17:48, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not to be chomping at the bit here, but I guess questions that I have are A) How hard is it likely to be to get this thing built for Windows? I don't expect you to have an answer for that as I suppose Robert does most of the Windows work, but I'd be curious to know. B) If anyone is familiar with this, on Solaris, is there a set of files that one can add to a system that is relatively lightweight to support something like this? Perhaps you have other KDE apps and know how this works. In my experience, most distros want the qt libs package, but then that package wants about 30 others. Thanks for any insights from the peanut gallery. I'd love to start using this, but would pass for the time being if it will require extensive dependency building. I'll just reply to the Solaris part. I typically grab a good deal of this sort of stuff from sunfreeware. I try not to get things I don't need, but when you have a chain of dependencies, you don't have much choice -- either you want that capability or you scrap the whole thing. I have a directory /usr/local/pkg and a directory /usr/local/src, and I keep everything I have installed in one or the other of those. Some things you need source, some things it's unnecessary overhead and trouble. For me, Solaris is for servers. My desktop is Mac OS X. I don't use any graphical interface on my servers. I typically have a dozen or more terminal windows open with ssh sessions. If I were going to use a gui for something like bacula, I would want it at my desktop, not on the server. So, while my backup servers and everything would be on Solaris, I would want a client/server arrangement where I could do the administration from a gui on my Mac. Don't know if that fits with the current plan, but it seems most logical to me -- architecturally more robust and not caught up in the exporting of graphical interface through something like X11. From my perspective, that's not what a server ought to be spending its time doing. I would want the bacula install to be modular enough that I wouldn't have to install the graphical stuff on my server. What is written above is not totally clear to me. The bat is a GUI application that will run on a large variety of machines Linux, Windows, Solaris, FreeBSD, Mac OS X and others. The communications to the Director does not use X11 but simple TCP/IP. There is no requirement to have the GUI installed on the server. --- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology Geology Departments (*) \(*) -- 140 Morrill Science Center ~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Erdös 4 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Davide Bolcioni wrote: Should the need to introduce incompatible changes in the protocol arise, which I guess would be Bacula 3.0, maybe a different set of default ports could be considered ? HP networked printers are fairly common. HP should be prevailed upon to fix it. It's far from the only evil thing Jetdirect cards are capable of inflicting on networks. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
On 31 Jan 2007 at 11:28, Davide Bolcioni wrote: Kern Sibbald wrote: Another thing to check for is HP printers on the network, which have the nasty habit of using non-registered ports e.g. 9001, 9002, or 9003, which can cause disconnects by Bacula. If you find printers probing/using those ports, either reconfigure the printers or Bacula (preferably the former since the ports are officially registered by IANA to Bacula). Port conflicts are a known annoyance, but maybe it would help to disseminate the information about Bacula usage, for example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers The Bacula ports are listed there. And Bacula is listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacula Should the need to introduce incompatible changes in the protocol arise, which I guess would be Bacula 3.0, maybe a different set of default ports could be considered ? HP networked printers are fairly common. Bacula is registered with IANA, which is the definite source as well as listed in the protocol database: http://www.isecom.info/cgi-local/protocoldb/browse.dsp Yes, I know it does not make much difference given that HP did and does not do the right thing. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ger Apeldoorn wrote: Perhaps you can take a look at this: http://www.opencountry.com/products/ocmwebminplus_home.html Ger. Op woensdag 31 januari 2007 11:33, schreef Andrew Paterson: Hi, I know I am a little late with this comment and it is probably not welcome... But I feel it needs stating ...RANT... I am not happy with the client-specific gui (bat). It would surely be better to have a server based gui run from a web-browser - what I had hoped bacula-web would become. I don't much look forward to You should also try to take a look at bweb (which comes with the Bacula-gui package). It is mostly view only, giving out reports and statistics but of course one could always extend it to do more. Greetings, Michel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 iD8DBQFFwI3k2Vs+MkscAyURAh8YAJ4jgX6PCTErEhzv/1Gkl2feP4WLAQCg/oGO Dbyy8jD0FJR7B2xewQ3xZ+k= =9p7R -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat)
On 1/31/07, Ger Apeldoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you can take a look at this: http://www.opencountry.com/products/ocmwebminplus_home.html I hope this is still being worked on as webmin is at version 1.320 now and ocmwebminplus is stuck at 1.307 for 2 months and there does not seem to be any activity at the sorceforge site for ocmwebminplus. John - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat)
Hi Michel, As I understand it bweb is (was) bacula-web which I use at the moment - It's very useful but as you say its view only. You are right... it could (should) be extended to provide write (control) access. This is where I believe the gui effort should go :) my whole point :). Andy -Original Message- From: Michel Meyers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 January 2007 12:39PM To: Andrew Paterson Cc: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ger Apeldoorn wrote: Perhaps you can take a look at this: http://www.opencountry.com/products/ocmwebminplus_home.html Ger. Op woensdag 31 januari 2007 11:33, schreef Andrew Paterson: Hi, I know I am a little late with this comment and it is probably not welcome... But I feel it needs stating ...RANT... I am not happy with the client-specific gui (bat). It would surely be better to have a server based gui run from a web-browser - what I had hoped bacula-web would become. I don't much look forward to You should also try to take a look at bweb (which comes with the Bacula-gui package). It is mostly view only, giving out reports and statistics but of course one could always extend it to do more. Greetings, Michel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 iD8DBQFFwI3k2Vs+MkscAyURAh8YAJ4jgX6PCTErEhzv/1Gkl2feP4WLAQCg/oGO Dbyy8jD0FJR7B2xewQ3xZ+k= =9p7R -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Paterson wrote: Hi Michel, As I understand it bweb is (was) bacula-web which I use at the moment I'm not sure, bweb looks radically different from bacula-web. No idea whether it was developed from that or is a 'from scratch' effort, but it supports drop down menus etc... The screenshot on Freshmeat shows it in action: http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/33280/35297/ Greetings, Michel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 iD8DBQFFwJO/2Vs+MkscAyURAmWJAKCGBnjF/PZyfvDqsw165muawA6BiACgpmvk dW9ru/Mo5ptnYyQiUKj215k= =S5gZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Generate ISO's only
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 12:54, Richard Mortimer wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruben Lopez Sent: 31 January 2007 11:20 To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] Generate ISO's only Hi, Is it possible with bacula to stop after generating the ISO and tell bacula not to write the actual CD/DVD? What we would like to do is to store all the backups in a shared folder, and have one person in charge of burning things from this directory periodically. Hi, At present this is not something that can be done without a bit of scripting and changes to the dvd-handler script (and maybe adding a wrapper script around mount). I don't have time to do it at the moment but here are the changes required just in case someone else has time 1 - make dvd-handler write/add to an ISO and not a device it also needs to do some magic to allow different iso images to live in the same directory (probably using the base volumename as a parameter) 2 - make dvd-handler aware of the disk size (currently it reads it from the disk itself at runtime). Basically the free command for dvd-handler needs to return the size without knowing the disk size 3 - wrap the current call to mount in a script (dvd-mount?) that takes the volumename and finds the appropriate iso image. Finally I know that kern has a dvd-simulator script for testing as I remember that doesn't actually write the iso itself so it isn't fully useful but it probably has some useful bits in there. Yes, it is a *really* crude hack of dvd-handler that rather blindly simulates what dvd-handler does and rather than writing the output to a DVD, it writes it to a file. It seems to me that Ruben to do what he wants would simply require him to write to file Volumes and limit them to the size that fits on a DVD 4.8GB? Then later, someone could burn those Volumes to a DVD. They could not be directly restored from a DVD, but they could be restored to a file then Bacula could do the restore. If I am not mistaken bimagemgr in the gui distribution does exactly that though for CDs. It allows you to track what Volumes have been written to CD with the information stored in the Bacula database. Richard P.S. This functionality would be really useful for DVD regression testing. It would speed up the testing no-end whilst actually generating the proper iso image. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat)
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 11:33, Andrew Paterson wrote: Hi, I know I am a little late with this comment and it is probably not welcome... But I feel it needs stating ...RANT... I am not happy with the client-specific gui (bat). It would surely be better to have a server based gui run from a web-browser - what I had hoped bacula-web would become. I don't much look forward to only being able to run the bat gui on linux boxes other UNIX clients to which it has been ported. OK, you will no doubt port it to windows also - but consider that I can run bacula-web from any web enabled device even my mobile phone! Surely bacula-web should be further developed to provide the kind of functionality for a bacula-server that swat does for samba the cups web-interface does for cups etc. ...END of RANT... response As I clearly stated in a number of emails, I see a big need for both a platform GUI that runs on all platforms supported by Bacula and a web interface. My own personal programming preferences are for a platform GUI, and after having tried Gnome (I really wanted GTK++ but didn't understand the difference at the time), and wx-console (Nicolas). Neither of these really worked out well. I'm now working on Qt for all the reasons I stated in those previous emails, and find it very nice. I would be pleased to see a nice web interface, and to a good extent, Eric is doing that with bweb because from what I understand, brestore now works with bweb to restore files. /response In the meantime - back to my development network reliably secured with bacula - Thanks to Kern et al. Andrew R Paterson DS Ltd. www.ds.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kern Sibbald Sent: 30 January 2007 7:06PM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: bacula-devel Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat) On Tuesday 30 January 2007 17:48, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not to be chomping at the bit here, but I guess questions that I have are A) How hard is it likely to be to get this thing built for Windows? I don't expect you to have an answer for that as I suppose Robert does most of the Windows work, but I'd be curious to know. B) If anyone is familiar with this, on Solaris, is there a set of files that one can add to a system that is relatively lightweight to support something like this? Perhaps you have other KDE apps and know how this works. In my experience, most distros want the qt libs package, but then that package wants about 30 others. Thanks for any insights from the peanut gallery. I'd love to start using this, but would pass for the time being if it will require extensive dependency building. I'll just reply to the Solaris part. I typically grab a good deal of this sort of stuff from sunfreeware. I try not to get things I don't need, but when you have a chain of dependencies, you don't have much choice -- either you want that capability or you scrap the whole thing. I have a directory /usr/local/pkg and a directory /usr/local/src, and I keep everything I have installed in one or the other of those. Some things you need source, some things it's unnecessary overhead and trouble. For me, Solaris is for servers. My desktop is Mac OS X. I don't use any graphical interface on my servers. I typically have a dozen or more terminal windows open with ssh sessions. If I were going to use a gui for something like bacula, I would want it at my desktop, not on the server. So, while my backup servers and everything would be on Solaris, I would want a client/server arrangement where I could do the administration from a gui on my Mac. Don't know if that fits with the current plan, but it seems most logical to me -- architecturally more robust and not caught up in the exporting of graphical interface through something like X11. From my perspective, that's not what a server ought to be spending its time doing. I would want the bacula install to be modular enough that I wouldn't have to install the graphical stuff on my server. What is written above is not totally clear to me. The bat is a GUI application that will run on a large variety of machines Linux, Windows, Solaris, FreeBSD, Mac OS X and others. The communications to the Director does not use X11 but simple TCP/IP. There is no requirement to have the GUI installed on the server. --- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology Geology Departments (*) \(*) -- 140 Morrill Science Center ~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Erdös 4 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Admin Tool (bat)
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 14:03, Michel Meyers wrote: Andrew Paterson wrote: Hi Michel, As I understand it bweb is (was) bacula-web which I use at the moment I'm not sure, bweb looks radically different from bacula-web. No idea whether it was developed from that or is a 'from scratch' effort, The two are totally different. but it supports drop down menus etc... The screenshot on Freshmeat shows it in action: http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/33280/35297/ If someone would like to see additional screenshots of bweb, look at the last 10 slides in: http://www.bacula.org/presentations/Bacula-FOSDEM-talk-25Feb07.pdf which is roughly 750K in size. Greetings, Michel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Final update : Experience with extremely large fileset include lists?
I've completed my initial tests with very large include lists with a
successful outcome.
The final test list was intended to simulate a backup file list
generated by a db query to backup new files or files modified by a part
of our production process. The filesystems are in the 30TB range
containing millions of files in hundreds of directories.
The file list was generated to include only regular files, no links,
devices files, sockets, etc. and excluded bare directory names. All
files were specified using their full path.
The file list had 292296 entries.
It took longer than the default FD-SD timeout of 30 minutes to ingest
the file list from the Director. I've modified the SD to change the
timeout from 30 minutes to 90 minutes to allow the SD to wait long
enough for the FD to begin sending data.
While the FD was reading the file list from the Director the FD was
using nearly 100% of the CPU. This usage then dropped back to a more
normal 10%.
Memory use on the FD was larger than normal, with max_bytes of
approximately 24MB.
Data transfer rates were normal for that server. Time to complete the
backup was no longer than expected for that server and amount of data.
Conclusion : Using a file list consisting of only the files to be backed
up and excluding bare directory entries (which would cause the full
content of the directory to be backed up) is possible and scales
reasonably into the 200,000+ file range. Larger file lists would need to
be tested to determine what, if any, the practical limit of the FD is.
Alan Davis
Senior Architect
Ruckus Network, Inc.
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-Original Message-
From: Alan Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:29 PM
To: 'Kern Sibbald'
Cc: 'bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net'
Subject: RE: [Bacula-users] Experience with extremely large fileset
include lists?
During the 38 minutes that it takes the FD to do it's set up the CPU
is
running at nearly 100% for the FD process. After the FD begins sending
data to the SD the CPU use drops to around 10%, which is normal for a
backup on that server. The transfer rate is also about normal. That
server
has a mix of very large db files and many small files - I expect the
backup to take at least 12 hours based on prior experience when using
a
more normal fileset specification based on directory names rather
than
individual files.
Alan Davis
Senior Architect
Ruckus Network, Inc.
703.464.6578 (o)
410.365.7175 (m)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: Kern Sibbald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:51 PM
To: Alan Davis
Cc: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Experience with extremely large fileset
include lists?
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 17:39, Alan Davis wrote:
I've modified the timeout in stored/job.c to allow the SD to wait
90
minutes instead of 30, recompiled and installed the modified SD.
The test job takes about 38 minutes for the FD to process the
fileset,
with the FD memory used :
Heap: bytes=24,593,473 max_bytes=25,570,460 bufs=296,047
max_bufs=298,836
Yes, 24MB is really large memory utilization.
The SD waited for the FD to connect and is running the job as
expected.
I'll be interested to hear the results of running the job. I
suspect
that
it
will be catastrophically slow.
Alan Davis
Senior Architect
Ruckus Network, Inc.
703.464.6578 (o)
410.365.7175 (m)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: Alan Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:44 AM
To: 'Kern Sibbald'; 'bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net'
Subject: RE: [Bacula-users] Experience with extremely large
fileset
include lists?
Returning to the original thread...
Just to make sure I'm being clear - my FileSet specification is:
FileSet {
Name = u2LgFileList
Include {
Options {
signature = MD5
}
File = /local/etc/u2LgFileList.list
}
}
The file /local/etc/u2LgFileList.list has 29K+ entries in it.
Note that this is /not/ an exclude list - it's explicitly
listing
the
files to be backed up.
The FD takes about 40 minutes to read in the file list.
The SD times out in 30 minutes waiting for the FD.
From my reading of the manual there are directives that set the
time
that
the Director will wait for an FD to respond FD Connect Timeout
and
the
time that the FD will wait for the SD to respond SD Connect
Timeout
as
well as the Heartbeat Interval that will keep the connection
open
during
long backups.
I've not found a directive to modify the length of time that the
SD
will
wait for the FD to begin
Re: [Bacula-users] force status full
i want every media LastWritten 7 days ago to go in full status. because if the media is append, it will not automatic pruned i have wrote a little sql query to do the job, but want ask if there is a better, than execute the sql query every day. I'll let others on this list answer your question, but in your SQL below, I see no reason to change a Used status to Full. sql query: UPDATE Media SET VolStatus = 'Full' WHERE (VolStatus = 'Append' or VolStatus = 'Used') AND LastWritten NOW() - interval 7 DAY yes ok, my failure i was not sure about status Used. so i want to update Media Table after Job BackupCatalog. Is there any other solution for what i want? thanks in advance manuel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
Dan Langille wrote: On 31 Jan 2007 at 11:28, Davide Bolcioni wrote: Kern Sibbald wrote: Another thing to check for is HP printers on the network, which have the nasty habit of using non-registered ports e.g. 9001, 9002, or 9003, which can cause disconnects by Bacula. If you find printers probing/using those ports, either reconfigure the printers or Bacula (preferably the former since the ports are officially registered by IANA to Bacula). Port conflicts are a known annoyance, but maybe it would help to disseminate the information about Bacula usage, for example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers The Bacula ports are listed there. And Bacula is listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacula Should the need to introduce incompatible changes in the protocol arise, which I guess would be Bacula 3.0, maybe a different set of default ports could be considered ? HP networked printers are fairly common. Bacula is registered with IANA, which is the definite source as well as listed in the protocol database: http://www.isecom.info/cgi-local/protocoldb/browse.dsp Yes, I know it does not make much difference given that HP did and does not do the right thing. I passed an earlier message from this thread along to my network expert, because we have had some complaints about recent HP stuff. I'm only casually up on that stuff. I was surprised by his answer, but not by his depth of knowledge. So, I'm passing it along just so you all have it. Please note that lprng and cups are two of the most widely used printing systems. Mac OS X uses cups, and lprng is frequently recommended as a replacement system for people in linux/unix environments who want some added capability. Chris, I would hope someone would point out to the list that ONLY ports 1024 historically are well known ports, and those 4096 are sort of registered. So far as I am aware there is no binding registration for ports 4096. But far worse is the fact that not just HP printers use port 9100. So do almost all printers which use the idea of a service port, and this is supported by default in lprng and in cups. If bacula is on port 9100 that is a totally bad idea. Bacula ought to have gotten a port registered by IANA in the reserved range rather than just grabbing ports that have long been in use for printing. just thought you would find the comments about HP printers at the end of this interesting. I don't get why a printer would be probing -- it should be a service, just sitting there responding to requests and taking jobs (except when it starts up and needs to know its assigned information). Chris Hoogendyk --- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology Geology Departments (*) \(*) -- 140 Morrill Science Center ~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Erdös 4 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Don't understand error
Tape files are different than actual files. But the fact that you see neither files nor bytes indicates (to me) that your doing spooling? Pardon my newbieness, but I'm not sure. I recall seeing a message during a backup relating to despooling, so maybe I do have spooling set up. I should have looked into the log file and posted the pertinent portion of it in my original post. Here it is: 29-Jan 16:07 lbackup-dir: sql_find.c:132 No Job record found: ERR= CMD=SELECT StartTime FROM Job WHERE JobStatus='T' AND Type='B' AND Level='F' AND Name='ArcIMS' AND ClientId=11 AND FileSetId=39 ORDER BY StartTime DESC LIMIT 1 29-Jan 16:07 lbackup-dir: No prior or suitable Full backup found. Doing FULL backup. 29-Jan 16:07 lbackup-dir: Start Backup JobId 1462, Job=ArcIMS.2007-01-29_16.07.46 29-Jan 18:07 lbackup-dir: ArcIMS.2007-01-29_16.07.46 Fatal error: Network error with FD during Backup: ERR=Connection reset by peer 29-Jan 18:07 lbackup-dir: ArcIMS.2007-01-29_16.07.46 Fatal error: No Job status returned from FD. 29-Jan 18:07 lbackup-dir: ArcIMS.2007-01-29_16.07.46 Error: Bacula 1.36.3 (22Apr05): 29-Jan-2007 18:07:51 The connection is being reset by peer, and then there is No Job status returned from FD. What causes this? -- Tks n rgds, Richard White CNE6 Network Engineer Mason County, Washington 360-427-5501 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 1:29 pm, Dan Langille wrote: Port conflicts are a known annoyance, but maybe it would help to disseminate the information about Bacula usage, for example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers The Bacula ports are listed there. I stand corrected ... the Bacula ports are 9101-9103, not 9001-9003 as in my original message. Unfortunately, these are also the port used by HP printers. Should the need to introduce incompatible changes in the protocol arise, which I guess would be Bacula 3.0, maybe a different set of default ports could be considered ? HP networked printers are fairly common. Bacula is registered with IANA, which is the definite source as well as listed in the protocol database: http://www.isecom.info/cgi-local/protocoldb/browse.dsp Yes, I know it does not make much difference given that HP did and does not do the right thing. I think we agree on this. Should the need arise for a protocol change, however, picking another set of ports might be an option. Thank you for your consideration, Davide Bolcioni -- There is no place like /home. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
On 31 Jan 2007 at 10:38, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: Dan Langille wrote: On 31 Jan 2007 at 11:28, Davide Bolcioni wrote: Kern Sibbald wrote: Another thing to check for is HP printers on the network, which have the nasty habit of using non-registered ports e.g. 9001, 9002, or 9003, which can cause disconnects by Bacula. If you find printers probing/using those ports, either reconfigure the printers or Bacula (preferably the former since the ports are officially registered by IANA to Bacula). Port conflicts are a known annoyance, but maybe it would help to disseminate the information about Bacula usage, for example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers The Bacula ports are listed there. And Bacula is listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacula Should the need to introduce incompatible changes in the protocol arise, which I guess would be Bacula 3.0, maybe a different set of default ports could be considered ? HP networked printers are fairly common. Bacula is registered with IANA, which is the definite source as well as listed in the protocol database: http://www.isecom.info/cgi-local/protocoldb/browse.dsp Yes, I know it does not make much difference given that HP did and does not do the right thing. I passed an earlier message from this thread along to my network expert, because we have had some complaints about recent HP stuff. I'm only casually up on that stuff. I was surprised by his answer, but not by his depth of knowledge. So, I'm passing it along just so you all have it. Please note that lprng and cups are two of the most widely used printing systems. Mac OS X uses cups, and lprng is frequently recommended as a replacement system for people in linux/unix environments who want some added capability. I just spoke with the curator of the protocol database[1] who pointed out a few problems with the opinion you were given. The key points are shown below. [1] - http://www.isecom.info/cgi-local/protocoldb/browse.dsp Chris, I would hope someone would point out to the list that ONLY ports 1024 historically are well known ports, and those 4096 are sort of registered. So far as I am aware there is no binding registration for ports 4096. But far worse is the fact binding registration? I wonder what he means by that. IANA is the official word on this matter. The Bacula ports *have* been correctly registered with the appropriate authority. I refer to : http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers where I find: ### The Registered Ports are those from 1024 through 49151 DCCP Registered ports SHOULD NOT be used without IANA registration. The registration procedure is defined in [RFC4340], Section 19.9. ### HP did not register the ports. Bacula did. Search for Bacula at that URL for confirmation. that not just HP printers use port 9100. So do almost all printers which use the idea of a service port, and this is supported by default in lprng and in cups. If bacula is on port 9100 that is a totally bad idea. I'd like to know his reasons for a bad idea. :) Bacula ought to have gotten a port registered by IANA in the reserved range rather than just grabbing ports that have long been in use for printing. Now I know he's not researching before speaking. The above URL contains proof. just thought you would find the comments about HP printers at the end of this interesting. I don't get why a printer would be probing -- it should be a service, just sitting there responding to requests and taking jobs (except when it starts up and needs to know its assigned information). I am quite interested in your network person's reaction to this. :) -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
On 31 Jan 2007 at 16:43, Davide Bolcioni wrote: On Wednesday 31 January 2007 1:29 pm, Dan Langille wrote: Port conflicts are a known annoyance, but maybe it would help to disseminate the information about Bacula usage, for example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers The Bacula ports are listed there. I stand corrected ... the Bacula ports are 9101-9103, not 9001-9003 as in my original message. Unfortunately, these are also the port used by HP printers. Should the need to introduce incompatible changes in the protocol arise, which I guess would be Bacula 3.0, maybe a different set of default ports could be considered ? HP networked printers are fairly common. Bacula is registered with IANA, which is the definite source as well as listed in the protocol database: http://www.isecom.info/cgi-local/protocoldb/browse.dsp Yes, I know it does not make much difference given that HP did and does not do the right thing. I think we agree on this. Should the need arise for a protocol change, however, picking another set of ports might be an option. Picking another set of ports, even if we register them properly, doesn't mean someone will not use them inappropriatly, as has happened in this case. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
In response to Chris Hoogendyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] I passed an earlier message from this thread along to my network expert, because we have had some complaints about recent HP stuff. I'm only casually up on that stuff. I was surprised by his answer, but not by his depth of knowledge. So, I'm passing it along just so you all have it. Please note that lprng and cups are two of the most widely used printing systems. Mac OS X uses cups, and lprng is frequently recommended as a replacement system for people in linux/unix environments who want some added capability. Chris, I would hope someone would point out to the list that ONLY ports 1024 historically are well known ports, and those 4096 are sort of registered. His information is dated. Historically we only use 2 digits for the year as well ... So far as I am aware there is no binding registration for ports 4096. But far worse is the fact that not just HP printers use port 9100. So do almost all printers which use the idea of a service port, and this is supported by default in lprng and in cups. His facts are wrong here. IPP (i.e. CUPS) uses port 631 and lpd/lpr uses 515. Those 910x ports are registered to Bacula officially. There are no internet police and there's no fine or anything that means that the Jetdirect systems are doing anything illegal, but it's _only_ jetdirect cards that use those ports outside of the IANA registration. Facts: *) Bacula is registered with IANA to use the 910x ports. It's official *) _only_ jetdirect cards use the 910x ports. CUPS and LPD do not. If they are, it's because you're using some sort of CUPS-jetdirect driver (which is actually pretty common) but it's not CUPS, it's the jetdirect driver. If bacula is on port 9100 that is a totally bad idea. Well, he's welcome to his opinion, but he doesn't seem to have any facts to back it up. Bacula ought to have gotten a port registered by IANA in the reserved range rather than just grabbing ports that have long been in use for printing. Again, he's working off 10-year old data here. The ports _are_ registered, the registered port range has been expanded in recent years because there's no room left for new applications below 1024. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] force status full
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would not recommend doing this, and instead limiting media use by VolumeUseDuration or MaximumVolumeJobs. Homegrown queries are probably not the easiest things to follow in the future, and there is really no need for them, I wouldn't think. Manuel Staechele wrote: i want every media LastWritten 7 days ago to go in full status. because if the media is append, it will not automatic pruned i have wrote a little sql query to do the job, but want ask if there is a better, than execute the sql query every day. I'll let others on this list answer your question, but in your SQL below, I see no reason to change a Used status to Full. sql query: UPDATE Media SET VolStatus = 'Full' WHERE (VolStatus = 'Append' or VolStatus = 'Used') AND LastWritten NOW() - interval 7 DAY yes ok, my failure i was not sure about status Used. so i want to update Media Table after Job BackupCatalog. Is there any other solution for what i want? thanks in advance manuel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer III |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFwL0xmb+gadEcsb4RAu3fAJwNTMQck3t1OTpfB9eY+5ymZz//OwCeKGXX XNJqvllSoOmdgZ166IMtLas= =dtRf -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Langille wrote: On 31 Jan 2007 at 16:43, Davide Bolcioni wrote: On Wednesday 31 January 2007 1:29 pm, Dan Langille wrote: Port conflicts are a known annoyance, but maybe it would help to disseminate the information about Bacula usage, for example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers The Bacula ports are listed there. I stand corrected ... the Bacula ports are 9101-9103, not 9001-9003 as in my original message. Unfortunately, these are also the port used by HP printers. Should the need to introduce incompatible changes in the protocol arise, which I guess would be Bacula 3.0, maybe a different set of default ports could be considered ? HP networked printers are fairly common. Bacula is registered with IANA, which is the definite source as well as listed in the protocol database: http://www.isecom.info/cgi-local/protocoldb/browse.dsp Yes, I know it does not make much difference given that HP did and does not do the right thing. I think we agree on this. Should the need arise for a protocol change, however, picking another set of ports might be an option. Picking another set of ports, even if we register them properly, doesn't mean someone will not use them inappropriatly, as has happened in this case. Most HP printers only use 9100. This wouldn't really be a problem anyway, as it really doesn't matter what ports a printer is listening on. You're obviously not going to be running bacula on a printer (and vv., probably not running any JetDirect-related service on your host), so it's fairly irrelevant. Here, though, excerpted from IANA* is the last word on the matter: hp-pdl-datastr 9100/tcpPDL Data Streaming Port hp-pdl-datastr 9100/udpPDL Data Streaming Port # Shivaun Albright [EMAIL PROTECTED] April 2002 The protocol name pdl-datastream is primarily registered for use in DNS SRV records (RFC 2782). DNS SRV records allow a protocol to run on any port number, but the default port for this protocol is 9100 . pdl-datastream 9100/tcpPrinter PDL Data Stream pdl-datastream 9100/udpPrinter PDL Data Stream # Stuart Cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] September 2002 bacula-dir 9101/tcpBacula Director bacula-dir 9101/udpBacula Director bacula-fd 9102/tcpBacula File Daemon bacula-fd 9102/udpBacula File Daemon bacula-sd 9103/tcpBacula Storage Daemon bacula-sd 9103/udpBacula Storage Daemon ...HP /did/ correctly register 9100 and that's all my printers listen on: # telnet 10.4.64.70 9100 Trying... Connected to 10.4.64.70. Escape character is '^]'. telnet close Connection closed. # telnet 10.4.64.70 9101 Trying... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused # telnet 10.4.64.70 9102 Trying... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused # telnet 10.4.64.70 9103 Trying... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused You /can/ use 910x if you want for additional queues on one printer (I guess if you have a fancier device), but this is just to keep the ports near each other on the device. I haven't seen anyplace where HP necessarily recommends using them, and they are not required for normal operation of a printer. So, I guess in summation, Nothing to see here, or What's the problem? *IANA port list: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer III |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFwMLHmb+gadEcsb4RAv2/AJ9TxX8SSq3g/UC50laZAwnfpyAF3wCgx8mR KQ5nFerKs3fbZhjYhn+A058= =WRLJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
On 31 Jan 2007 at 11:24, Ryan Novosielski wrote: So, I guess in summation, Nothing to see here, or What's the problem? *IANA port list: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers Well, HP does use those ports: http://www.isecom.info/cgi- local/protocoldb/browse.dsp?search=1fld1=1opr1=4val1=9100rows=25s ubmit=search OR http://tinyurl.com/2vzpqa Which refers to http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID =bpj01014 OR http://tinyurl.com/3agmm7 Confirmation that HP is using ports 9101 and 9102 which are registered to Bacula. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Langille wrote: On 31 Jan 2007 at 11:24, Ryan Novosielski wrote: So, I guess in summation, Nothing to see here, or What's the problem? *IANA port list: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers Well, HP does use those ports: http://www.isecom.info/cgi- local/protocoldb/browse.dsp?search=1fld1=1opr1=4val1=9100rows=25s ubmit=search OR http://tinyurl.com/2vzpqa Which refers to http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID =bpj01014 OR http://tinyurl.com/3agmm7 Confirmation that HP is using ports 9101 and 9102 which are registered to Bacula. Even so, a very small overlap: * 9100 TCP port is used for printing. Port numbers 9101 and 9102 are for parallel ports 2 and 3 on the three-port HP Jetdirect external print servers. ...and if I'm not mistaken, this is configurable. Is there any way that this will actually affect anyone? Seems unlikely to me (unless you have a firewall rule going after HP printer traffic that whacks Bacula in the process). - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer III |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFwMjemb+gadEcsb4RAhlxAKCv1RsABoM5bOyUIRWXT7vODs6IzwCeJB2F MMFuisdRpqJJJn8VHrO+quc= =U0L/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Final update : Experience with extremely large fileset include lists?
Hello, Very interesting results, not too surprising. See below ... On Wednesday 31 January 2007 15:52, Alan Davis wrote: I've completed my initial tests with very large include lists with a successful outcome. The final test list was intended to simulate a backup file list generated by a db query to backup new files or files modified by a part of our production process. The filesystems are in the 30TB range containing millions of files in hundreds of directories. The file list was generated to include only regular files, no links, devices files, sockets, etc. and excluded bare directory names. All files were specified using their full path. The file list had 292296 entries. It took longer than the default FD-SD timeout of 30 minutes to ingest the file list from the Director. I've modified the SD to change the timeout from 30 minutes to 90 minutes to allow the SD to wait long enough for the FD to begin sending data. While the FD was reading the file list from the Director the FD was using nearly 100% of the CPU. Yes, the list structure of included and excluded files is really intended for very small numbers. I think you could get a *very* significant reduction in the time needed to ingest the file list from the Director by modifying line 699 of bacula-source/src/filed/job.c from: fileset-incexe-name_list.init(1, true); to fileset-incexe-name_list.init(1, true); The 10,000 may be a bit of over kill, and you could very likely get almost equally good performance by setting it to 1000. It seems to me that setting it to 10,000 is worth a try. It is not something I would do in the mainstream code, but it would probably solve your performance problem. I would have no problem to set it to say 100 in the mainstream code. A better solution (probably), but one requiring more work would be to change the list from an alist (allocated, indexed list) to a dlist (doubly linked list). For an alist adding a new member is very expensive when the growth size of the list (first argument above) is exceeded. On the other hand, adding a new member is no more expensive than adding any other member for a dlist. I'll be interested how much the change I suggest above will improve things ... Best regards, Kern This usage then dropped back to a more normal 10%. Memory use on the FD was larger than normal, with max_bytes of approximately 24MB. Data transfer rates were normal for that server. Time to complete the backup was no longer than expected for that server and amount of data. Conclusion : Using a file list consisting of only the files to be backed up and excluding bare directory entries (which would cause the full content of the directory to be backed up) is possible and scales reasonably into the 200,000+ file range. Larger file lists would need to be tested to determine what, if any, the practical limit of the FD is. Alan Davis Senior Architect Ruckus Network, Inc. 703.464.6578 (o) 410.365.7175 (m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] alancdavis AIM -Original Message- From: Alan Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:29 PM To: 'Kern Sibbald' Cc: 'bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: RE: [Bacula-users] Experience with extremely large fileset include lists? During the 38 minutes that it takes the FD to do it's set up the CPU is running at nearly 100% for the FD process. After the FD begins sending data to the SD the CPU use drops to around 10%, which is normal for a backup on that server. The transfer rate is also about normal. That server has a mix of very large db files and many small files - I expect the backup to take at least 12 hours based on prior experience when using a more normal fileset specification based on directory names rather than individual files. Alan Davis Senior Architect Ruckus Network, Inc. 703.464.6578 (o) 410.365.7175 (m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] alancdavis AIM -Original Message- From: Kern Sibbald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:51 PM To: Alan Davis Cc: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Experience with extremely large fileset include lists? On Tuesday 30 January 2007 17:39, Alan Davis wrote: I've modified the timeout in stored/job.c to allow the SD to wait 90 minutes instead of 30, recompiled and installed the modified SD. The test job takes about 38 minutes for the FD to process the fileset, with the FD memory used : Heap: bytes=24,593,473 max_bytes=25,570,460 bufs=296,047 max_bufs=298,836 Yes, 24MB is really large memory utilization. The SD waited for the FD to connect and is running the job as expected. I'll be interested to hear the results of running the job. I suspect that it will be catastrophically slow. Alan Davis Senior
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 16:38, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: Dan Langille wrote: On 31 Jan 2007 at 11:28, Davide Bolcioni wrote: Kern Sibbald wrote: Another thing to check for is HP printers on the network, which have the nasty habit of using non-registered ports e.g. 9001, 9002, or 9003, which can cause disconnects by Bacula. If you find printers probing/using those ports, either reconfigure the printers or Bacula (preferably the former since the ports are officially registered by IANA to Bacula). Port conflicts are a known annoyance, but maybe it would help to disseminate the information about Bacula usage, for example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers The Bacula ports are listed there. And Bacula is listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacula Should the need to introduce incompatible changes in the protocol arise, which I guess would be Bacula 3.0, maybe a different set of default ports could be considered ? HP networked printers are fairly common. Bacula is registered with IANA, which is the definite source as well as listed in the protocol database: http://www.isecom.info/cgi-local/protocoldb/browse.dsp Yes, I know it does not make much difference given that HP did and does not do the right thing. I passed an earlier message from this thread along to my network expert, because we have had some complaints about recent HP stuff. I'm only casually up on that stuff. I was surprised by his answer, but not by his depth of knowledge. So, I'm passing it along just so you all have it. Please note that lprng and cups are two of the most widely used printing systems. Mac OS X uses cups, and lprng is frequently recommended as a replacement system for people in linux/unix environments who want some added capability. Chris, I would hope someone would point out to the list that ONLY ports 1024 historically are well known ports, and those 4096 are sort of registered. So far as I am aware there is no binding registration for ports 4096. But far worse is the fact that not just HP printers use port 9100. So do almost all printers which use the idea of a service port, and this is supported by default in lprng and in cups. If bacula is on port 9100 that is a totally bad idea. Bacula ought to have gotten a port registered by IANA in the reserved range rather than just grabbing ports that have long been in use for printing. just thought you would find the comments about HP printers at the end of this interesting. I don't get why a printer would be probing -- it should be a service, just sitting there responding to requests and taking jobs (except when it starts up and needs to know its assigned information). Thanks for the feedback. Your network guru certainly does know something about ports, but I'm not sure that we totally agree ... A few of points: 1. Bacula does have IANA registered ports. The port numbers were defined and officially supplied by IANA. 2. The Bacula ports are 9101, 9102, and 9103. 3. HP uses port 9100, but without having obtained authorization from IANA. I am not sure if HP has ever registered its port. IANA *is* aware that HP network printers use port 9100 (by default -- the port can be configured). 4. It is not possible for an application such as Bacula to have a port number = 1024 -- just try asking IANA for one, and you will understand :-) 5. Registered ports go much higher than 4096. The proof is the fact that Bacula's ports are registered (see the link Dan gave). 6. My terminology of saying that HP printers probe may not be accurate, but users have previously reported that once they remove HP printers from the same network as Bacula, the problems go away, so I can only assume that the printer is intercepting data meant for a Bacula daemon and responding to it -- which is what I meant by probing. In any case, if the printer is causing problems every 5 minutes, then it is probing (or broadcasting). What conditions, if they really exist, that cause HP printers to use ports other than 9100, I cannot say. I have a Dell network printer at home, which I assume is a rebranded HP printer. It uses port 9100 but has never, to my knowledge caused problems with Bacula. Of course, I have never used it at the same time a production backup was running (my test backups use ports 8101-8103). As far as I am concerned, I have no gripe with HP, though it would be better if they followed the rules. I just point this out for Bacula users who *may* (or may not) be affected by this so that they can work around it (if it is the problem). Best regards, Kern Chris Hoogendyk --- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology Geology Departments (*) \(*) -- 140 Morrill Science Center ~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Re: [Bacula-users] Some remarks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Miki Lewinger wrote: 3) I feel that the bacula-dir.conf file is manageable up to a certain number of clients/jobs... It doesn't scale up well to more than X (in my case x=35). Shouldn't this be saved in the bacula sql database as well ? Thus, the clients, jobs, storage, etc directives could be more easily separated from each other, and SQL queries used for the different resources. Separating the different resources in separate conf files doesn't sound much of an improvement IMO... Harder to restore in a disaster in this case is really the answer that I've heard given most. I'd be inclined to agree that the config files are easier to work with if you don't need a 100% working system too early in the process. - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer III |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFwNGAmb+gadEcsb4RAs8RAKCBGgTuV4gyW7gGCJ94g/qVhxTV0QCfQF5P /X/EhEDgENJdwSgx2bJYbrw= =7e6f -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 5:50 pm, Ryan Novosielski wrote: Even so, a very small overlap: * 9100 TCP port is used for printing. Port numbers 9101 and 9102 are for parallel ports 2 and 3 on the three-port HP Jetdirect external print servers. ...and if I'm not mistaken, this is configurable. Is there any way that this will actually affect anyone ? Seems unlikely to me (unless you have a firewall rule going after HP printer traffic that whacks Bacula in the process). Unlucky people exist :-( ... this might be the reason behind a few hard to replicate nightly failures I had with Bacula at my previous job. The problem is unlikely to be with the printers listening, but rather with printer drivers scanning the network for autoconfiguration. I am no longer in the position to test this; at the time, Bacula was at 1.36.x so this might have been corrected in the meantime. Thank you for your consideration, Davide Bolcioni -- There is no place like /home. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem
(Looks like my last message was misaddressed. Resending.) On Jan 30, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Kern Sibbald wrote: Another thing to check for is HP printers on the network [...] I don't think that's the problem in my case. While we have an HP server on our internal office network, the two servers I was testing with are actually in seperate colo facilities. While printers recklessly probing ports may cause problems, it still seems a bit of a stretch that such interference happens almost precisely 00:05:03 to 00:05:05 after the beginning of every job. -- Okay, I've tested with the FD on a different host entirely, and *now* it works. But I still want to back up that other host someday... Here's my previous set-up and theory for failure: Director/SD/Console on machine server. FD on the client. The client machine has a funky IP situation: It's incoming IP addresses is not the same as it's outgoing IP address. I have no idea why, but wish I did. (One-way NAT?) 1. The Director talks to the SD and gets a token it can pass to the FD. 2. The Director tells the FD connect to the SD at this address with this token. 3. The FD connects to the SD, and is accepted. Begins sending data... But the Director's idea of what the FD's IP address is is somehow different from what the SD will register, because the connections were originated from different directions. While it's still possible somebody has some firewall rules I'm not being told about (ones which somehow don't affect Netcat)... What would happen if an FD connected to the SD with a different IP address (but a correct token) than the hostname or IP address the director believes it should have? -- --Darien A. Hager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: (206) 734-5666 - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] Splitting config files
Hello, I am trying to split up a config file on Windows, using the @ directive as shown in http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/Customizin_Configurat_Files.html but it returns an error that it cannot find the file. Has anyone done this in Windows? Thanks Brian - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Splitting config files
On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Brian Debelius wrote: I am trying to split up a config file on Windows, using the @ directive as shown in http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/ Customizin_Configurat_Files.html but it returns an error that it cannot find the file. Has anyone done this in Windows? I haven't tried it in windows, but some quick ideas: 1. Try absolute pathnames if you aren't already--it didn't like relative ones for me on Linux. 2. Try escaping Window's backslashes with an additional backslash, e.g. @C:\\folder\\file 3. If those don't work, can you post what some details or examples of what isn't working? -- --Darien A. Hager [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Splitting config files
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Brian Debelius might have said: Hello, I am trying to split up a config file on Windows, using the @ directive as shown in http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/Customizin_Configurat_Files.html but it returns an error that it cannot find the file. Has anyone done this in Windows? I plan on eventually putting all my config files, not only the bacula config files, into twiki and have twiki export the files, restart services when things change, etc. Mike - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
please read to the bottom before commenting on stuff in the middle. -- Chris H. Bill Moran wrote: In response to Chris Hoogendyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] I passed an earlier message from this thread along to my network expert, because we have had some complaints about recent HP stuff. I'm only casually up on that stuff. I was surprised by his answer, but not by his depth of knowledge. So, I'm passing it along just so you all have it. Please note that lprng and cups are two of the most widely used printing systems. Mac OS X uses cups, and lprng is frequently recommended as a replacement system for people in linux/unix environments who want some added capability. Chris, I would hope someone would point out to the list that ONLY ports 1024 historically are well known ports, and those 4096 are sort of registered. His information is dated. Historically we only use 2 digits for the year as well ... So far as I am aware there is no binding registration for ports 4096. But far worse is the fact that not just HP printers use port 9100. So do almost all printers which use the idea of a service port, and this is supported by default in lprng and in cups. His facts are wrong here. IPP (i.e. CUPS) uses port 631 and lpd/lpr uses 515. dated is one thing. wrong is another. if historical equipment is on the network, you have to deal with it. if current protocols recognize that history, you have to deal with it. you are correct about IPP and LPD, but you missed PDL-datastream, which is 9100. I almost never find his [my network expert] facts to be wrong. check out: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~rakerman/port-table.html#printing , and you will find also that Apple Mac OS X Rendezvous Printing will use port 9100. So there is a discovery process that goes on here and not just listening. That might constitute poking or probing to someone who is using the port for some other reason and not expecting this. Those 910x ports are registered to Bacula officially. There are no internet police and there's no fine or anything that means that the Jetdirect systems are doing anything illegal, but it's _only_ jetdirect cards that use those ports outside of the IANA registration. Facts: *) Bacula is registered with IANA to use the 910x ports. It's official *) _only_ jetdirect cards use the 910x ports. CUPS and LPD do not. If they are, it's because you're using some sort of CUPS-jetdirect driver (which is actually pretty common) but it's not CUPS, it's the jetdirect driver. Ryan Novosielski pointed out RFC 2782 where this is defined under the protocol name pdl-datastream and listed in the IANA port list: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. Now, you say 910x, but we were talking about 9100. Following down from 9100 on the IANA port list, you will find 9101, 9102, and 9103 registered to bacula. If bacula is on port 9100 that is a totally bad idea. Well, he's welcome to his opinion, but he doesn't seem to have any facts to back it up. see above. Bacula ought to have gotten a port registered by IANA in the reserved range rather than just grabbing ports that have long been in use for printing. Again, he's working off 10-year old data here. The ports _are_ registered, the registered port range has been expanded in recent years because there's no room left for new applications below 1024. as we see, 9100 is listed as pdl-datastream. I went back and reviewed this thread, because I realized there was some confusion, and I wanted to know exactly what the original problem was. Turns out a good deal of confusion. Kern's message was the first reference to HP printers, in which he said to watch out for them, and referenced ports 9001, 9002, 9003. He meant 9101, 9102, 9103. My network expert saw the reference to HP printers and the 9000 range and replied back about the 9100 port (assuming, if there was a conflict, bacula must be using that port). As far as I can tell, that was the first reference specifically to 9100. Subsequent replies to his comments referred to 910x for bacula, but still reacted to his comment about 9100. I apologize for forwarded those comments without first checking out precisely which port numbers were in question and adding clarifying language regarding assumptions. I think Ryan's comments have been most useful and informative. As far as I can tell, no one is reporting currently having problems traceable to these printer related questions. I don't see any point in pursuing further discussion unless someone has some actual current data specifically relating to conflicting traffic on ports 9101, 9102 or 9103 (bacula does not use 9100). (I just read Kern's latest reply which clarifies some of the same stuff I've mentioned above). --- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology Geology
[Bacula-users] Linksys is killing socket between director and SD
Aaah, I've finally figured it out. The very common Linksys WRT54G v5 router IS dropping inactive sockets after exactly 10 minutes. I verified this through a process of elimination. Any time the Linksys router was used, I'd get a socket drop at 10 minutes (wireless or ethernet cable included). But when I bypassed the Linksys router and kept everything else the same, it all worked. I think that makes any Bacula job longer than 10 minutes impossible using this Linksys router. Looks like I'm out of luck. I have updated to the newest firmware, and the Linksys config doesn't have any ability to modify the timeout value. I suppose I could buy a new router, or set up a new offsite backup storage daemon. Unless anyone else has any brilliant ideas :) Kern, if you are reading this, what are the chances that a heartbeat could be implemented between the director and the storage daemon? Brad Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message From: Brad Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:00:03 PM Subject: [Bacula-users] Director losing socket with SD First, my request: Is there anything in Bacula I can do to keep the socket between the director and the storage daemon alive? Now, my explanation why I need this. As I'm trying to narrow down why my lengthy backups to an offsite storage daemon don't work, I sat and watched the debug output for the director, the storage daemon, and the file daemon. About almost exactly 10 minutes in, the director's debug output said this: msgchan.c:333 === End msg_thread. use=2 After a lot of research, it appears what's going on is this: 1) The director starts the job. 2) A socket is opened between the director and the storage daemon. 3) A socket is opened between the file daemon and the storage daemon. 4) The file data transfers just fine over the file daemon/storage daemon socket. 5) At almost exactly 10 minutes in, I get the above debug message which means the socket between the director and storage daemon has been closed. netstat confirmed this. 6) The file data continues to transfer just fine to the storage daemon. 7) When the file daemon is done, it tells the director that it is finished. 8) The storage daemon tries to tell the director it received the data perfectly, but cannot, because it cannot communicate with the director anymore (which makes sense, because the socket died). 9) *I think* the director waits a bit for the the storage daemon, or it just knows it can't receive info from the storage daemon. In any event, the director quickly marks the job as having an error because it never heard from the storage daemon as to its final result. So, what can I do in Bacula to keep the socket between the director and the storage daemon alive? I'v already set a heartbeats of 30 seconds, but according to the manual, the heartbeats help the file daemon talk to the director, the file daemon talk to the storage daemon, and the storage daemon talk to the file daemon. But in my situation, I'm losing a socket between the director and the storage daemon, and the heartbeat doesn't help out with that. I'm also starting to think a Linksys router may be the reason why it loses the inactive socket after almost exactly 10 minutes, as other Linksys users have found this happens to them. I'll be able to test this out tonight by bypassing the router completely. Anyways, in the meantime, anybody know how I can keep that socket alive? Brad Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Splitting config files
Darien Hager wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Brian Debelius wrote: I am trying to split up a config file on Windows, using the @ directive as shown in http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/ Customizin_Configurat_Files.html but it returns an error that it cannot find the file. Has anyone done this in Windows? I haven't tried it in windows, but some quick ideas: 1. Try absolute pathnames if you aren't already--it didn't like relative ones for me on Linux. 2. Try escaping Window's backslashes with an additional backslash, e.g. @C:\\folder\\file 3. If those don't work, can you post what some details or examples of what isn't working? -- --Darien A. Hager [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my bacula-dir.conf I have @C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users\\Application Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf but the directory returns the following error: 31-Jan 14:06 bacula-dir: ERROR TERMINATION at ../../lib/lex.c:545 Config error: Cannot open included config file : No such file or directory : line 163, col 2 of file C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Bacula/bacula-dir.conf @C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users\\Application Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Splitting config files (fwd)
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Brian Debelius wrote:
Darien Hager wrote:
On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Brian Debelius wrote:
I am trying to split up a config file on Windows, using the @
directive
as shown in http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/
Customizin_Configurat_Files.html but it
returns an error that it cannot find the file. Has anyone done
this in Windows?
I haven't tried it in windows, but some quick ideas:
1. Try absolute pathnames if you aren't already--it didn't like
relative ones for me on Linux.
2. Try escaping Window's backslashes with an additional backslash,
e.g. @C:\\folder\\file
3. If those don't work, can you post what some details or examples of
what isn't working?
In my bacula-dir.conf I have
@C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users\\Application
Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf
but the directory returns the following error:
31-Jan 14:06 bacula-dir: ERROR TERMINATION at ../../lib/lex.c:545
Config error: Cannot open included config file : No such file or directory
: line 163, col 2 of file C:\Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Bacula/bacula-dir.conf
@C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users\\Application
Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf
http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/FileSet_Resource.html#SECTION00154
If you are entering Windows file names, the directory path may be preceded by
the drive and a colon (as in c:). However, the path separators must be
specified in Unix convention (i.e. forward slash (/)). If you wish to include a
quote in a file name, precede the quote with a backslash (\). For example you
might use the following for a Windows machine to backup the My Documents
directory:
FileSet {
Name = Windows Set
Include {
Options {
WildFile = *.obj
WildFile = *.exe
exclude = yes
}
File = c:/My Documents
}
}
-- D
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Re: [Bacula-users] Splitting config files (fwd)
David Romerstein wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Brian Debelius wrote:
Darien Hager wrote:
On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Brian Debelius wrote:
I am trying to split up a config file on Windows, using the @
directive
as shown in http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/
Customizin_Configurat_Files.html but it
returns an error that it cannot find the file. Has anyone done
this in Windows?
I haven't tried it in windows, but some quick ideas:
1. Try absolute pathnames if you aren't already--it didn't like
relative ones for me on Linux.
2. Try escaping Window's backslashes with an additional backslash,
e.g. @C:\\folder\\file
3. If those don't work, can you post what some details or examples of
what isn't working?
In my bacula-dir.conf I have
@C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users\\Application
Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf
but the directory returns the following error:
31-Jan 14:06 bacula-dir: ERROR TERMINATION at ../../lib/lex.c:545
Config error: Cannot open included config file : No such file or directory
: line 163, col 2 of file C:\Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Bacula/bacula-dir.conf
@C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users\\Application
Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf
http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/FileSet_Resource.html#SECTION00154
If you are entering Windows file names, the directory path may be preceded by
the drive and a colon (as in c:). However, the path separators must be
specified in Unix convention (i.e. forward slash (/)). If you wish to include
a
quote in a file name, precede the quote with a backslash (\). For example you
might use the following for a Windows machine to backup the My Documents
directory:
FileSet {
Name = Windows Set
Include {
Options {
WildFile = *.obj
WildFile = *.exe
exclude = yes
}
File = c:/My Documents
}
}
-- D
I changed it to this:
@C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/Bacula/schedule.conf
but is still gives an error:
Config error: Cannot open included config file : No such file or directory
: line 163, col 2 of file C:\Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Bacula/bacula-dir.conf
@C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/Bacula/schedule.conf
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Re: [Bacula-users] Splitting config files
On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Brian Debelius wrote: Config error: Cannot open included config file : No such file or directory After config file it should list the path it attempted to open. From what you've written it appears blank, suggesting some sort of syntax or input issue rather than a filesystem bug etc. @C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users\\Application Data\\Bacula\ \schedule.conf Hmm. Perhaps ditch the quotes and escape the spaces? @C:\\Documents\ and\ Settings\\All\ Users\\Application\ Data\\Bacula\ \schedule.conf Another thing you could try is increase the debug level--even while testing config files (-t option) you can add the -d### option to get more details. It seems it has to be above 200 to show much, and what it does show usually isn't too useful... but you never know. - On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:27 AM, David Romerstein wrote: If you are entering Windows file names, the directory path may be preceded by the drive and a colon (as in c:). However, the path separators must be specified in Unix convention (i.e. forward slash (/)). If you wish to include a quote in a file name, precede the quote with a backslash (\). He's not having problems in specifying a fileset, though... unless the @includefile path syntax is identical for that for filesets? If so, that suggests: @C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/Bacula/ schedule.conf --Darien A. Hager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: (206) 734-5666 - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Splitting config files
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Brian Debelius wrote:
David Romerstein wrote:
http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/FileSet_Resource.html#SECTION00154
If you are entering Windows file names, the directory path may be preceded by
the drive and a colon (as in c:). However, the path separators must be
specified in Unix convention (i.e. forward slash (/)). If you wish to
include a
quote in a file name, precede the quote with a backslash (\). For example you
might use the following for a Windows machine to backup the My Documents
directory:
FileSet {
Name = Windows Set
Include {
Options {
WildFile = *.obj
WildFile = *.exe
exclude = yes
}
File = c:/My Documents
}
}
I changed it to this:
@C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/Bacula/schedule.conf
but is still gives an error:
Config error: Cannot open included config file : No such file or directory
: line 163, col 2 of file C:\Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Bacula/bacula-dir.conf
@C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/Bacula/schedule.conf
Check security permissions on that file and the directory it resides in.
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Re: [Bacula-users] Linksys is killing socket between director and SD
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 11:05 -0800, Brad Peterson wrote: Aaah, I've finally figured it out. The very common Linksys WRT54G v5 router IS dropping inactive sockets after exactly 10 minutes. I verified this through a process of elimination. Any time the Linksys router was used, I'd get a socket drop at 10 minutes (wireless or ethernet cable included). But when I bypassed the Linksys router and kept everything else the same, it all worked. I think that makes any Bacula job longer than 10 minutes impossible using this Linksys router. Looks like I'm out of luck. I have updated to the newest firmware, and the Linksys config doesn't have any ability to modify the timeout value. I suppose I could buy a new router, or set up a new offsite backup storage daemon. Unless anyone else has any brilliant ideas :) Try the DD-WRT firmware on it. I'm pretty sure they now support v5. It's the best thing since sliced bread. Z - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Splitting config files
Darien Hager wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Brian Debelius wrote: Config error: Cannot open included config file : No such file or directory After config file it should list the path it attempted to open. From what you've written it appears blank, suggesting some sort of syntax or input issue rather than a filesystem bug etc. @C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users\\Application Data\\Bacula\ \schedule.conf Hmm. Perhaps ditch the quotes and escape the spaces? @C:\\Documents\ and\ Settings\\All\ Users\\Application\ Data\\Bacula\ \schedule.conf Another thing you could try is increase the debug level--even while testing config files (-t option) you can add the -d### option to get more details. It seems it has to be above 200 to show much, and what it does show usually isn't too useful... but you never know. ok, doing the above helps out a little. You can now see part of the path after the 'config file' line I changed it to @C:\\Documents\ and\ Settings\\All\ Users\\Application\ Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf and the error is 31-Jan 14:40 bacula-dir: ERROR TERMINATION at ../../lib/lex.c:545 Config error: Cannot open included config file C:\\Documents\: No such file or directory : line 163, col 16 of file C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Bacula/bacula-dir.conf @C:\\Documents\ and\ Settings\\All\ Users\\Application\ Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
Hello Dan, Thanks. Finally! You have provided the proof straight from HP's own documents that they do use Bacula registered ports. It also proves that our users know what they are talking about. Regards, Kern On Wednesday 31 January 2007 17:39, Dan Langille wrote: On 31 Jan 2007 at 11:24, Ryan Novosielski wrote: So, I guess in summation, Nothing to see here, or What's the problem? *IANA port list: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers Well, HP does use those ports: http://www.isecom.info/cgi- local/protocoldb/browse.dsp?search=1fld1=1opr1=4val1=9100rows=25s ubmit=search OR http://tinyurl.com/2vzpqa Which refers to http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID =bpj01014 OR http://tinyurl.com/3agmm7 Confirmation that HP is using ports 9101 and 9102 which are registered to Bacula. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Splitting config files
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Debelius wrote: Darien Hager wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Brian Debelius wrote: ok, doing the above helps out a little. You can now see part of the path after the 'config file' line I changed it to @C:\\Documents\ and\ Settings\\All\ Users\\Application\ Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf Maybe trying the good old DOS 8.3 notation will work? ie: c:\docume~1\alluse~1\applic~1\bacula\schedule.conf or a variation with double backslashes or single forward slashes. Just an idea. Greetings, Michel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) - GPGrelay v0.959 iD8DBQFFwPRf2Vs+MkscAyURApdZAJ43brmtb91ZmuC3SgYgj8X+6I5CFACgrgjM q9bhC4FImRkrJOY2kNSUeA8= =iC7W -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Moran wrote: In response to Ryan Novosielski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dan Langille wrote: On 31 Jan 2007 at 11:24, Ryan Novosielski wrote: So, I guess in summation, Nothing to see here, or What's the problem? *IANA port list: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers Well, HP does use those ports: http://www.isecom.info/cgi- local/protocoldb/browse.dsp?search=1fld1=1opr1=4val1=9100rows=25s ubmit=search OR http://tinyurl.com/2vzpqa Which refers to http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID =bpj01014 OR http://tinyurl.com/3agmm7 Confirmation that HP is using ports 9101 and 9102 which are registered to Bacula. Even so, a very small overlap: * 9100 TCP port is used for printing. Port numbers 9101 and 9102 are for parallel ports 2 and 3 on the three-port HP Jetdirect external print servers. ...and if I'm not mistaken, this is configurable. Is there any way that this will actually affect anyone? Seems unlikely to me (unless you have a firewall rule going after HP printer traffic that whacks Bacula in the process). I could be wrong, but if memory serves, the problem is not so much that HP is using Bacula ports, it's that various HP drivers probe the network to automatically find all the printers on the network. IOW: when MS Windows starts up, the HP printer drivers try to connect to port 910x on every host on the network to see if there's a printer there. Again, I could be wrong on this. Not sure how one would have to have them configured in order to get the drivers to do this, but the person or utility setting things up that way I think deserves more ire than HP. ;) Perhaps people running JetDirect scans or something like that -- occasionally, discovery is done from WebJetDirect and things like that. Don't know that they go looking on 9101-3 though. Could well be. However, that leads us to... ...anyone could do this, regardless of the printer. I could telnet to port 9102 and start rattling off Kafka. I'd assume Bacula would handle this gracefully and therefore it would not be a problem. If that is not the case, then that needs looking into. The only real reason HP would be involved there is that HP printers attract folks who want to screw them up, so you might end up on the crossfire between some Sasser-style worm and an HP printer. PS: I have no love for HP devices, or JetDirect for that matter, and when the 41xx line started going into the toilet for reliability and likelihood that a printed PS file would come out of the printer, I dumped them for Xerox. Even so, nothing that I can see that prevents them from peacefully coexisting on the network. Their management utilities, however, could be another story. =R - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer III |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFwPnVmb+gadEcsb4RArHMAKDgdnkawL9BM9AXpAREjjJkpQvVdQCgxK+t h49Ni+4YjIfmlgUfqfRNJ5w= =1++J -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Linksys is killing socket between director and SD
Kern, if you are reading this, what are the chances that a heartbeat could be implemented between the director and the storage daemon? Would there be any significant downsides to a global heartbeat directive in the director? When the director initially connects to an FD/SD it could modify their heartbeat settings to match it. -- --Darien A. Hager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: (206) 734-5666 - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Splitting config files (fwd)
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 20:31, Brian Debelius wrote:
David Romerstein wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Brian Debelius wrote:
Darien Hager wrote:
On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Brian Debelius wrote:
I am trying to split up a config file on Windows, using the @
directive
as shown in http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/
Customizin_Configurat_Files.html but it
returns an error that it cannot find the file. Has anyone done
this in Windows?
I haven't tried it in windows, but some quick ideas:
1. Try absolute pathnames if you aren't already--it didn't like
relative ones for me on Linux.
2. Try escaping Window's backslashes with an additional backslash,
e.g. @C:\\folder\\file
3. If those don't work, can you post what some details or examples of
what isn't working?
In my bacula-dir.conf I have
@C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users\\Application
Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf
but the directory returns the following error:
31-Jan 14:06 bacula-dir: ERROR TERMINATION at ../../lib/lex.c:545
Config error: Cannot open included config file : No such file or
directory
: line 163, col 2 of file C:\Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Bacula/bacula-dir.conf
@C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users\\Application
Data\\Bacula\\schedule.conf
http://www.bacula.org/dev-manual/FileSet_Resource.html#SECTION0015400
00
If you are entering Windows file names, the directory path may be
preceded by the drive and a colon (as in c:). However, the path
separators must be specified in Unix convention (i.e. forward slash (/)).
If you wish to include a quote in a file name, precede the quote with a
backslash (\). For example you might use the following for a Windows
machine to backup the My Documents directory:
FileSet {
Name = Windows Set
Include {
Options {
WildFile = *.obj
WildFile = *.exe
exclude = yes
}
File = c:/My Documents
}
}
-- D
I changed it to this:
@C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application
Data/Bacula/schedule.conf
but is still gives an error:
Config error: Cannot open included config file : No such file or directory
Rule #1 with computer programs is to assume that the error message is correct
until definitely proven otherwise. Have you verified that the file really
does exist?
: line 163, col 2 of file C:\Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Bacula/bacula-dir.conf
@C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application
Data/Bacula/schedule.conf
Of hand, I would be willing to bet that there is no such file as C:/...
including the quotes on anyones system -- there may be a C:/..., but not
a C:/...
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Re: [Bacula-users] Linksys is killing socket between director and SD
Kern, if you are reading this, what are the chances that a heartbeat could be implemented between the director and the storage daemon? Yes, that is possible, but you will need to find someone to program it. If I knew my C++ well enough, I'd dive into it. :) Darn my lack of C++ knowledge. I personally I would ask for a refund on the router since it apparently doesn't understand keepalive and doesn't follow standard TCP/IP standards so does not function properly. Ya, I'm not happy with this situation at all, plus I've owned this router for over a year now. Unfortunately, the Linksys router I purchased is perhaps the most commonly advertised wireless router for nationwide chains. That's why I spent the extra time to nail down the issue, in case any other Bacula /Linksys users run into the same problem. Also isn't Linksys one of the companies that is/was in violation of the GPL (i.e. using GPLed software without making the source available)? I don't know about that. But I believe Linksys did release the source code for their version 1-4 WRT54G routers, which allowed hobbyists to make their own Linux based firmwares. And Linksys still makes an L series, specifically so that people who want to load their own Linux based firmwares can still continue to do so. Unfortunately, I picked up a v5, which has some open source solutions to it, but they're a bit scarier to implement. Anyway, thanks for your reply. Seeing that I have hundreds of open source project emails I need to respond to, I really do appreciate that you jumped right in and answered mine :) Brad Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brad Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message From: Brad Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:00:03 PM Subject: [Bacula-users] Director losing socket with SD First, my request: Is there anything in Bacula I can do to keep the socket between the director and the storage daemon alive? Now, my explanation why I need this. As I'm trying to narrow down why my lengthy backups to an offsite storage daemon don't work, I sat and watched the debug output for the director, the storage daemon, and the file daemon. About almost exactly 10 minutes in, the director's debug output said this: msgchan.c:333 === End msg_thread. use=2 After a lot of research, it appears what's going on is this: 1) The director starts the job. 2) A socket is opened between the director and the storage daemon. 3) A socket is opened between the file daemon and the storage daemon. 4) The file data transfers just fine over the file daemon/storage daemon socket. 5) At almost exactly 10 minutes in, I get the above debug message which means the socket between the director and storage daemon has been closed. netstat confirmed this. 6) The file data continues to transfer just fine to the storage daemon. 7) When the file daemon is done, it tells the director that it is finished. 8) The storage daemon tries to tell the director it received the data perfectly, but cannot, because it cannot communicate with the director anymore (which makes sense, because the socket died). 9) *I think* the director waits a bit for the the storage daemon, or it just knows it can't receive info from the storage daemon. In any event, the director quickly marks the job as having an error because it never heard from the storage daemon as to its final result. So, what can I do in Bacula to keep the socket between the director and the storage daemon alive? I'v already set a heartbeats of 30 seconds, but according to the manual, the heartbeats help the file daemon talk to the director, the file daemon talk to the storage daemon, and the storage daemon talk to the file daemon. But in my situation, I'm losing a socket between the director and the storage daemon, and the heartbeat doesn't help out with that. I'm also starting to think a Linksys router may be the reason why it loses the inactive socket after almost exactly 10 minutes, as other Linksys users have found this happens to them. I'll be able to test this out tonight by bypassing the router completely. Anyways, in the meantime, anybody know how I can keep that socket alive? Brad Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ _ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and HP JetDirect (was: (2.0.1) 5 minute 5 seconds problem)
Onsdag 31 januar 2007 17:50 skrev Ryan Novosielski: Dan Langille wrote: On 31 Jan 2007 at 11:24, Ryan Novosielski wrote: So, I guess in summation, Nothing to see here, or What's the problem? *IANA port list: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers Well, HP does use those ports: http://www.isecom.info/cgi- local/protocoldb/browse.dsp?search=1fld1=1opr1=4val1=9100rows=25s ubmit=search OR http://tinyurl.com/2vzpqa Which refers to http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID =bpj01014 OR http://tinyurl.com/3agmm7 Confirmation that HP is using ports 9101 and 9102 which are registered to Bacula. Even so, a very small overlap: * 9100 TCP port is used for printing. Port numbers 9101 and 9102 are for parallel ports 2 and 3 on the three-port HP Jetdirect external print servers. ...and if I'm not mistaken, this is configurable. Is there any way that this will actually affect anyone? Seems unlikely to me (unless you have a firewall rule going after HP printer traffic that whacks Bacula in the process). I do not remember these ports configurable in the standard software, I have one of these, but admit I havent doublechecked just now. The problem I can imagine is that if I want to back up my windows server which is acting as print server, and if someone prints to the port 2 printer while bacula is backing up, what will happen then? Steen - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Linksys is killing socket between director and SD
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Brad Peterson wrote: Aaah, I've finally figured it out. The very common Linksys WRT54G v5 router IS dropping inactive sockets after exactly 10 minutes. Set heartbeat intervals to 1 minute. Problem solved (and is why this directive is there) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Linksys is killing socket between director and SD
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Kern Sibbald wrote: I personally I would ask for a refund on the router since it apparently doesn't understand keepalive and doesn't follow standard TCP/IP standards so does not function properly. Fat chance of that. Linksys are notorious for lack of response to consumer complaints. Also isn't Linksys one of the companies that is/was in violation of the GPL (i.e. using GPLed software without making the source available)? Was and is, but it's Dlink who got taken to court and lost. AB - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Linksys is killing socket between director and SD
Aaah, I've finally figured it out. The very common Linksys WRT54G v5 router IS dropping inactive sockets after exactly 10 minutes. Set heartbeat intervals to 1 minute. Problem solved (and is why this directive is there) I already have the heartbeats in at 30 seconds each. Unfortunately, according to the manual, the heartbeats helps the file daemon talk to the director, the file daemon talk to the storage daemon, and the storage daemon talk to the file daemon. What would help me is a heartbeat to keep the socket between the director and storage daemon alive. For now, I'm giving up on having an offsite storage daemon. I don't have the money to spend on a fully working router. So I'm going to just keep the storage daemon on the same machine as the director, and then rsync the physical volumes afterwards offsite. Brad Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Linksys is killing socket between director and SD
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 13:40 -0800, Brad Peterson wrote: Aaah, I've finally figured it out. The very common Linksys WRT54G v5 router IS dropping inactive sockets after exactly 10 minutes. Set heartbeat intervals to 1 minute. Problem solved (and is why this directive is there) I already have the heartbeats in at 30 seconds each. Unfortunately, according to the manual, the heartbeats helps the file daemon talk to the director, the file daemon talk to the storage daemon, and the storage daemon talk to the file daemon. What would help me is a heartbeat to keep the socket between the director and storage daemon alive. For now, I'm giving up on having an offsite storage daemon. I don't have the money to spend on a fully working router. So I'm going to just keep the storage daemon on the same machine as the director, and then rsync the physical volumes afterwards offsite. Though this is better solution that what you originally wanted (rsync is going to be more robust and faster over your WAN link than bacula would be), you could either flash your v5 (even if you brick it, you can easily un-brick it) or simply pick up any number of the dd-wrt/openwrt/etc. compatible routers for cheap. A new Buffalo WHR-54GS usually goes for $40, and sometimes $30 and is far better than v5. I can't imagine that $40 is out of your budget. DD-WRT will allow you to set TCP timeouts upto one hour and probably actually understands keepalive. Besides, I don't think it a wise use of developer time fixing a problem for what amounts to cheap consumable (and totally fixable) consumer grade hardware. I rather they focus on features like the GUI, handling extremely large backup sets and improving the core functionality. Z Z - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Linksys is killing socket between director and SD
I think that makes any Bacula job longer than 10 minutes impossible using this Linksys router. Looks like I'm out of luck. I have updated to the newest firmware, and the Linksys config doesn't have any ability to modify the timeout value. I suppose I could buy a new router, or set up a new offsite backup storage daemon. Unless anyone else has any brilliant ideas :) Kern, if you are reading this, what are the chances that a heartbeat could be implemented between the director and the storage daemon? Is Bacula using setsockopt SO_KEEPALIVE's on every socket (it seems that it does in bnet.c)? If so, you probably just need to set this to more sensible values in /proc (assuming you are running Linux... I can't remember if you said or not). Try: echo 300 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time echo 60 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_intvl echo 10 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_probes This will send the first keepalive after 5 minutes, and then every 60 seconds after that, and will drop the connection if no response is seen from 10 consecutive probes. The default is that the keepalive won't start for 2 hours (7200 seconds) after the connection has been idle. Not much good in your case. http://libkeepalive.sourceforge.net/docs/TCP-Keepalive-HOWTO has some useful info about the way it all works. Does Bacula include any application level keepalives? There should be no need to do this if you've set /proc and setsockopt correctly, unless the respective daemons implement their own application level timeouts. James - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Linksys is killing socket between director and SD
For now, I'm giving up on having an offsite storage daemon. I don't have the money to spend on a fully working router. So I'm going to just keep the storage daemon on the same machine as the director, and then rsync the physical volumes afterwards offsite. Though this is better solution that what you originally wanted (rsync is going to be more robust and faster over your WAN link than bacula would be), you could either flash your v5 (even if you brick it, you can easily un-brick it) or simply pick up any number of the dd-wrt/openwrt/etc. compatible routers for cheap. A new Buffalo WHR-54GS usually goes for $40, and sometimes $30 and is far better than v5. I can't imagine that $40 is out of your budget. DD-WRT will allow you to set TCP timeouts upto one hour and probably actually understands keepalive. Keepalives are a function of the endpoints, the keepalives generate traffic and it is the traffic that refreshes the connection in the connection tracking tables on any intermediate routers and firewalls. The suggestion I posted earlier should resolve this problem. I've seen Cisco routers with stale connections that are weeks overdue in terms of being timed out! (and, due to various bugs in IOS, crash). 10 minutes is a bit short, but only if you aren't using SO_KEEPALIVE. Setting it too long opens you up to a denial of service attack too. Besides, I don't think it a wise use of developer time fixing a problem for what amounts to cheap consumable (and totally fixable) consumer grade hardware. I rather they focus on features like the GUI, handling extremely large backup sets and improving the core functionality. Agreed. The problem is at layer 3 and should be resolved there. Bacula already appears to include code to enable keepalives, so all that should be required is to tweak the kernel values down the right interval. James - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] Bacula update from 1.38.11 to 2.X?
Hi people. I install bacula 2.0.1 in FreeBSD 6.2 Release. I have in another computer running bacula 1.38.11 OS FreeBSD with MySQL 4.1, is working really great i had already restore over 85GB to one Linux client running Centos 4.4 from tape, bacula again show his power. Well my doubt is this, i setup bacula 2.0.1 on FreeBSD 6.2 with MySQL 4.1in a test machine, i want to try this new version, but i don't want to use my production server, them: If i want to update my current version (1.38.11) to 2.0.1 i just copy the database from my production server to my test server and run the update script? I have to make another think? This all my doubt, thanks for your time, greetings all!!! - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
