Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
Good afternoon, On 30/04/10 at 5:44 PM -0700, douglerner dougler...@gmail.com wrote: I just hate the non-modal search. It seems like a step backwards in functionality for me. I don't see why it was necessary to remove search-from-top from that. Most people (including me) find the non-modal search a huge leap forward. And for those that don't there is an option to revert to the modal search. The reason for removing 'start at top' from non-modal has been discussed on this list (many times over) so the archives should reveal detailed reasons for it. My understanding (or memory) is that each time you hit cmd-g the search would start at the top again, which would make 'find next' useless. And I think most people consider 'find next' more important than 'start at top'. Charlie -- Ꮚ Charlie Garrison ♊ garri...@zeta.org.au O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org 〠 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
On May 1, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Charlie Garrison wrote: Good afternoon, On 30/04/10 at 3:20 PM +0900, Doug Lerner d...@lerner.net wrote: On Apr 30, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Scout wrote: To start my search from the top, I use Cmd-Up Arrow before the search. Cmd-T or Cmd-Up are same number of keystrokes to me. I'm trying to get used to doing that. It's not really the same of course because you must remember to do Cmd-Up before Cmd-F or you have to back out of the Find window into the source window. How about creating an AppleScript which moves the cursor to the beginning of the file (same as cmd-up arrow) and then start a search? And assign Cmd-T to the AppleScript. Then you can use the same key shortcut you've always used. I've never wanted (or needed) to use the 'start from top' search option, so I'm not sure how (im)practical the above solution would be. Seems to me like it would work just fine though. Hi, Charlie. I decided to just use the advanced settings and have returned to the v8 modal Find for now. Using an AppleScript like you describe would, as you say, move the cursor to the beginning of the file, whether or not the search succeeds. I like it where I don't lose my position if the search fails. I honestly can't find any advantage to the non-modal Find. At least doing search the way I've grown accustomed to. All it does is seem to take away a feature I was used to. I'm fine using the modal Find window. I can still use the other new find-related features such as (1) edit in the find all results panel and (2) live search. So things are ok now. If they ever add back the start search from top feature to the non-modal Find window I might try that again. I don't understand why it was removed. It was useful, and surely not hurting anybody. :) Thanks, doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
On May 1, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Charlie Garrison wrote: Most people (including me) find the non-modal search a huge leap forward. And for those that don't there is an option to revert to the modal search. I know. I'm using the revert option. I honestly can't find an advantage to the non-modal search. All it seems to do is take away a feature I was using. :) The reason for removing 'start at top' from non-modal has been discussed on this list (many times over) so the archives should reveal detailed reasons for it. My understanding (or memory) is that each time you hit cmd-g the search would start at the top again, which would make 'find next' useless. And I think most people consider 'find next' more important than 'start at top'. That's what I read as well. Though I don't understand why that has to be the case. Why can't it work the way the modal find works - where it is reset after the first use anyway. In the modal search you have to Cmd-T to search from the top each time you enter. Otherwise you search from the current position. Once you are in the non-modal find window why couldn't the same thing be possible? Just unset the search from top after the first search. I guess I'm missing the logic here as to why that's not possible. doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
To start my search from the top, I use Cmd-Up Arrow before the search. Cmd-T or Cmd-Up are same number of keystrokes to me. HTH -scout On Apr 28, 9:33 pm, douglerner dougler...@gmail.com wrote: If it doesn't exist, I could probably get by using the new find all feature. That searches from the top and you can edit in the search results window directly, which is convenient. The new live search also looks useful. doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
On Apr 30, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Scout wrote: To start my search from the top, I use Cmd-Up Arrow before the search. Cmd-T or Cmd-Up are same number of keystrokes to me. I'm trying to get used to doing that. It's not really the same of course because you must remember to do Cmd-Up before Cmd-F or you have to back out of the Find window into the source window. I don't understand the technical reason why they had to give up the feature. Somebody from support was telling me it was because it wouldn't work in the new non-modal Find windows - that each time you would end up searching from the top instead of going on to the next item. I'm not following why that has to be the case. In the 8.72 modal window subsequent CMD+G searches didn't always return to the top. And you had to do a CMD+T each time you opened the Find window if you wanted to return to the top for the next search. In the non-modal window why can't it be exactly the same thing? When you open the Find Window search from the top could be unselected (like it is in 8.72). CMD+T would turn on the search from top option and then turn itself off for subsequent CMD+G searches. That doesn't seem to be in contradiction with a non-modal Find window approach, and you wouldn't need to lose that functionality. doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
Another problem with using Cmd-Up first is that you end up always changing your position in the file, regardless of whether the search is successful or not. With the previous method, you stayed where you were if the search failed. I don't understand why they had to drop that convenient feature from the non-modal search. I feel myself stumbling every time I try to do search now. I know there is an advanced setting to go back to the old search, but then it becomes non-supported and there could be other side-effects of doing that. (sigh) doug On Apr 30, 3:15 pm, Scout summitsc...@gmail.com wrote: To start my search from the top, I use Cmd-Up Arrow before the search. Cmd-T or Cmd-Up are same number of keystrokes to me. HTH -scout On Apr 28, 9:33 pm, douglerner dougler...@gmail.com wrote: If it doesn't exist, I could probably get by using the new find all feature. That searches from the top and you can edit in the search results window directly, which is convenient. The new live search also looks useful. doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
I just ended up setting the modal find on and will try that for now. At least in the new version if I use Find All I can edit in the found panel, which is an improvement. And the Live Search feature might be useful. I just hate the non-modal search. It seems like a step backwards in functionality for me. I don't see why it was necessary to remove search-from-top from that. doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
Good afternoon, On 30/04/10 at 3:20 PM +0900, Doug Lerner d...@lerner.net wrote: On Apr 30, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Scout wrote: To start my search from the top, I use Cmd-Up Arrow before the search. Cmd-T or Cmd-Up are same number of keystrokes to me. I'm trying to get used to doing that. It's not really the same of course because you must remember to do Cmd-Up before Cmd-F or you have to back out of the Find window into the source window. How about creating an AppleScript which moves the cursor to the beginning of the file (same as cmd-up arrow) and then start a search? And assign Cmd-T to the AppleScript. Then you can use the same key shortcut you've always used. I've never wanted (or needed) to use the 'start from top' search option, so I'm not sure how (im)practical the above solution would be. Seems to me like it would work just fine though. Charlie -- Ꮚ Charlie Garrison ♊ garri...@zeta.org.au O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org 〠 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
If it doesn't exist, I could probably get by using the new find all feature. That searches from the top and you can edit in the search results window directly, which is convenient. The new live search also looks useful. doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
On Apr 29, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Bill Rowe wrote: On 4/28/10 at 5:53 PM, dougler...@gmail.com (douglerner) wrote: I just upgraded from BBEdit 8.72 to BBEdit 9.5. In the new search, I notice I can't do the CMD+T to force the search to start from the top of the file anymore. Is there a way to do that? I know about the wrap option, but that's different. I don't have an answer to your question. But I am curious as to why you see the wrap option as different. It you start a search from the start (top) of a file it obviously searches the entire file stopping for a hit. If the wrap option starts from where the cursor is and searches through the file wrapping end to start till you get back to where the cursor is, isn't the end result the same? What am I missing here? Thanks for your reply If you use wrap then you have to go through multiple next searches to get back to a result that is near the top of the file (if the search parameter appears multiple times, which it often does). Up until now I've always used CMD+T before search so I can find first things first in the file and left off the CMD+T if I'm in the middle of a function and want to find the next occurrence from where I am. But if I'm in the middle of the file and want to find the first occurrence, using wrap could take me through 15 or 20 successive searches of, say, a global variable before I wrap and end up at the top again. So it's much different. doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
At 20:29 -0700 on 04/28/2010, Bill Rowe wrote about Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about se: On 4/28/10 at 5:53 PM, dougler...@gmail.com (douglerner) wrote: I just upgraded from BBEdit 8.72 to BBEdit 9.5. In the new search, I notice I can't do the CMD+T to force the search to start from the top of the file anymore. Is there a way to do that? I know about the wrap option, but that's different. I don't have an answer to your question. But I am curious as to why you see the wrap option as different. It you start a search from the start (top) of a file it obviously searches the entire file stopping for a hit. If the wrap option starts from where the cursor is and searches through the file wrapping end to start till you get back to where the cursor is, isn't the end result the same? What am I missing here? If the string you are looking for is the only occurrence or you are looking for all the occurrences, there is little difference since both will find the string. OTOH, if you are looking for a specific occurrence out of a number of occurrences (and know that it is or near the first occurrence) you want to start at the top and not wherever you current are (as would be the case with wrap). With wrap in this case, you would need get each occurrence displayed for you and need to reject them to go to the next in your search (and only find it once you have reached the end of the file and wrapped back to the top). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
On 2010-04-29, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:
At 20:29 -0700 on 04/28/2010, Bill Rowe wrote about Re:
Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about se:
On 4/28/10 at 5:53 PM, dougler...@gmail.com (douglerner) wrote:
I just upgraded from BBEdit 8.72 to BBEdit 9.5.
In the new search, I notice I can't do the CMD+T to force the search
to start from the top of the file anymore.
Is there a way to do that?
I know about the wrap option, but that's different.
I don't have an answer to your question. But I am curious as
to why you see the wrap option as different. It you start a
search from the start (top) of a file it obviously searches
the entire file stopping for a hit. If the wrap option starts
from where the cursor is and searches through the file
wrapping end to start till you get back to where the cursor
is, isn't the end result the same? What am I missing here?
If the string you are looking for is the only occurrence or you are
looking for all the occurrences, there is little difference since both
will find the string. OTOH, if you are looking for a specific
occurrence out of a number of occurrences (and know that it is or near
the first occurrence) you want to start at the top and not wherever you
current are (as would be the case with wrap). With wrap in this case,
you would need get each occurrence displayed for you and need to reject
them to go to the next in your search (and only find it once you have
reached the end of the file and wrapped back to the top).
I've gotten quite used to the new search/replace window; among
other things the
wapping-search-starting-from-wherever-the-cursor-is is now what
I expect; there is a distinct visual signal when the wrap
happens, going either direction, so it's easy to be sure of not
missing something.
But for those cases when I do want to find the very first
occurrence, I wrote a little applescript (wrote as in found an
example somewhere) and attached a key combination to it:
tell application BBEdit
activate
find text of selection searching in every text of text
document 1 options {starting at top:true, wrap around:false,
backwards:false, case sensitive:true, match words:false, extend
selection:false} with selecting match
end tell
With the options set this way, BBEdit will jump to the first
occurrence of whatever was selected, and select it. You can then
use the usual Use selection for find and Find selected text
commands to jump through the file to the next occurrences. If
you see the wrap signal, you've perused the whole file.
I bet the script could directly incorporate Use selection for
find, saving a step...
I set Control-F as the key combination to call this script,
because that's close to Command-F for find.
HTH.
- Bruce
_bruce__van_allen__santa_cruz_ca_
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Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
On 4/28/10 at 5:53 PM, dougler...@gmail.com (douglerner) wrote: I just upgraded from BBEdit 8.72 to BBEdit 9.5. In the new search, I notice I can't do the CMD+T to force the search to start from the top of the file anymore. Is there a way to do that? I know about the wrap option, but that's different. I don't have an answer to your question. But I am curious as to why you see the wrap option as different. It you start a search from the start (top) of a file it obviously searches the entire file stopping for a hit. If the wrap option starts from where the cursor is and searches through the file wrapping end to start till you get back to where the cursor is, isn't the end result the same? What am I missing here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about search from top
There was a thread on this from September of 2008 titled 'What happened to Start at Top?' Probably more references as some people forgot to read it. In version 9, you could change the behavior back to the V8 version in the preferences. I haven't gotten around to getting my point five update yet but imagine it still is there. Try this link in the BBEdit-Talk archives. Plenty of discussion that should satisfy anyone's need to read. Bucky On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Bill Rowe wrote: On 4/28/10 at 5:53 PM, dougler...@gmail.com (douglerner) wrote: I just upgraded from BBEdit 8.72 to BBEdit 9.5. In the new search, I notice I can't do the CMD+T to force the search to start from the top of the file anymore. Is there a way to do that? I know about the wrap option, but that's different. I don't have an answer to your question. But I am curious as to why you see the wrap option as different. It you start a search from the start (top) of a file it obviously searches the entire file stopping for a hit. If the wrap option starts from where the cursor is and searches through the file wrapping end to start till you get back to where the cursor is, isn't the end result the same? What am I missing here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group.
