Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
An Advanced Search bug: If you search for albums, then go to any page beyond page #1, the results shown are tracks. And I'm guessing that the following also wasn't intentional: All artists on each album are listed in the album results, rather than the album artist. I suppose this is probably a leftover from when Advanced Search only searched for tracks. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
If you search for albums, then go to any page beyond page #1, the results shown are tracks. Thanks, should be fixed now. All artists on each album are listed in the album results, rather than the album artist. I suppose this is probably a leftover from when Advanced Search only searched for tracks. Hmm... Advanced Search is one of the few places where the old browse code still is being used. Most likely this is causing problems rather than the track search legacy. Or a combination of them. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
I notice that the type albums/tracks of the search doesn't appear to be remembered. That should be fixed in tomorrow's build. It might be desirable to use the text/small/large artwork setting when returning albums. Yeah, I knew this would come up. I'll have to see how hard this is to fix. The problem is that the advanced search is still using some very old code. That code's ability to deal with artwork got a bit broken during the onebrowser effort. I therefore disabled the artwork style options. It would be a little smarter looking if the Genre field matched itself against the items in the drop-down list rather than becoming a text search when you retrieve a saved search. Even though I know it makes no difference. Yeah, smarter looking. No time for vanity, I'm sorry :-P. Wouldn't it be possible to populate the File Format drop-down list only with file formats that exist in the library? Or maybe it's not that simple. I fixed this a few days go. Did you test it? -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Michael Thanks again for all the hard work. At risk of being annoying, can I just ask whether there is any chance that we might ever be able to search by more than one of the categories of artist, composer, conductor ... Also I'm a bit confused as to how band works. I can't seem to find any way of tagging as band, and the list of things which come up are quite limited. Am I right in thinking that it's limited to TPE2 tags. I can't even find a way of setting the tag in M3tag. Maybe this is not really your problem. adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Philip Meyer wrote: You certainly can enter TPE2 as band in Mp3Tag and Foobar. There is an option in Mp3tag to map the field accordingly. I'll check when I get home. Band works in FLAC tags too. LMS can read TPE2 and interpret it as either Band/Orchestra or Album Artist depending on a setting. Foobar and Mp3Tag have similar capability for reading id3v2 tags. Thanks- perhap I'm going mad but last time I looked i culd not see a way f entering band/orchestra directly as a tag. (I wonder whether dBoweramp can do it.). Anyway I'd be glad if you could show me. I hope it would not mean overwriting album artist. adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
You certainly can enter TPE2 as band in Mp3Tag and Foobar. There is an option in Mp3tag to map the field accordingly. I'll check when I get home. Band works in FLAC tags too. LMS can read TPE2 and interpret it as either Band/Orchestra or Album Artist depending on a setting. Foobar and Mp3Tag have similar capability for reading id3v2 tags. Philip Meyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=95 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
In the past, Mp3Tag treated TPE2 as Band. Newer versions call TPE2 ALBUMARTIST, which was a weird thing to do when FLAC stores BAND tags. So with the latest Mp3Tag release, it is possible to remap BAND as follows: In Mp3Tag Options Tags Mapping, enter the following: Tag / Source / Target ID3v2 / ALBUMARTIST / BAND ID3v2 / ALBUMARTISTSORT / BANDSORT This configures Mp3Tag, such that you can read/write a tag called BAND in Mp3Tag editor and it will be handled the same as FLAC tags. i.e. it will store your Band field in the id3 frame called TPE2. There are 3 ways of viewing/entering tags in Mp3Tag: 1. Enter directly in a column in the list view 2. Enter in a field in the Tag Panel 3. Enter through Extended Tags. Select Add field... and select BAND from the drop-down list or type it in. I can't remember what fields you get to see in Mp3Tag by default. If you haven't got a Band column in the list or field in the quick tag panel, you can configure via the following: Configure a column in the column list: Right-click on column headings, select Cusomise columns Create a new column Name=Band, Value=%BAND%, Field=%BAND%. Configure the Tag Panel: In Options Tag Panel, Add field Field=BAND, Name=Band. In LMS Server Settings My Music, select Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as Band. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Philip Meyer wrote: In the past, Mp3Tag treated TPE2 as Band. Newer versions call TPE2 ALBUMARTIST, which was a weird thing to do when FLAC stores BAND tags. So with the latest Mp3Tag release, it is possible to remap BAND as follows: In Mp3Tag Options Tags Mapping, enter the following: Tag / Source / Target ID3v2 / ALBUMARTIST / BAND ID3v2 / ALBUMARTISTSORT / BANDSORT This configures Mp3Tag, such that you can read/write a tag called BAND in Mp3Tag editor and it will be handled the same as FLAC tags. i.e. it will store your Band field in the id3 frame called TPE2. Wow. That is incredibly helpful. Thanks so much, Phil. adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Wow. That is incredibly helpful. Thanks so much, Phil. You're welcome. For Foobar 2000 (one of the best/versatile media players), you should ensure the following is configured: File Preferences Advanced Tagging MP3 ID3v2 revision and quirks Ensure Map TPE2 to Album Artist is unticked. Then Mp3Tag, Foobar and LMS should all work consistently. Use EAC for ripping disks and you have yourself a great toolset :-) ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
mherger wrote: Please update. It's rough, but it's there. Thanks- this seems to work pretty well. I agree that it would be handy if the album/ song choice stuck. adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
JJZolx wrote: Sample rate and bit depth would be a means of finding hi-res material. exactly! would be nice to sort the red book and HD files in separate playlists Stereo - SPK: Triangle Magellan Quatuor - PRE: XSP-1 Gen2 - AMPS: 4 x XPA-1 Gen2 - SOURCE: Logitech Transporter HC - SPK: Triangle signature Gamma + 2x Elipson Planet M - PRE: Marantz AV8801 - AMP: XPA-3 - SOURCES: PS3, PopcornHour A410 Multi room : BW 705 and Monitor Audio Silver RX on 2 Mini-X A-100 Linvincible's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63198 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Looks pretty good. I notice that the type albums/tracks of the search doesn't appear to be remembered. It might be desirable to use the text/small/large artwork setting when returning albums. It would be a little smarter looking if the Genre field matched itself against the items in the drop-down list rather than becoming a text search when you retrieve a saved search. Even though I know it makes no difference. Wouldn't it be possible to populate the File Format drop-down list only with file formats that exist in the library? Or maybe it's not that simple. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
There seem to me to be slightly different use cases depending on whether you are just wanting to run the search or whether you want to save the results as a sort of tracklist or submenu. Either way though I guess some people (especially classical music collectors) will often be wanting to get at results for either album or a work within an album comprising multiple tracks. At the moment one seems to get an answer in terms of tracks even if one searches by album in advanced search, which seems a bit perverse- although I guess it might suit some uses. But in my case the point is that if I am looking for a particular work (eg piano sonata No. 32 Op.111) this may well/probably won't feature in the album title and therefore has to be searched for by track. But most of the time I don't want individual tracks I just want to know where to find the work. For the general search use case I definitely want the choice between seeing results by track or album. I am not sure how this translates into the saved search. adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Yeah, I'm not certain whether you'd want filtering when searching for albums. For my needs, I think not. Lets say I have an album that is found by genre and year range, with a couple of tracks on the album labeled with a different genre. If I find that album in a list of results using the Advanced Search and then I decide to play it, I'm going to want to play the entire album, not just the filtered tracks. If I want to play a whole album, it's not much of a burden at the moment to browse to the album from Song Details to play from there. If the results were not filtered, it's not so easy to play only the matching songs, in fact you won't necessarily be able to see what song has caused the album to appear in the results. e.g. find songs with a 2 star rating. If it showed a heirarchy of album/matching songs, it could be: Album All Matching Songs song 2 song 5 So you could play album to play all tracks on the album, or All Matching Songs to play all matching songs found within that album? If I'm looking for songs in a particular genre for a particular year, it will find some songs on compilations, and that those compilations could have other songs with different genres and years. e.g. if I was searching for a sub-set of songs on a specific compilation album, its because I want to play that sub-set, not the whole album. e.g. songs shorter than 3 minutes on album xyz, why would I want to see/play all songs on that album? ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
At the moment one seems to get an answer in terms of tracks even if one searches by album in advanced search, which seems a bit perverse- although I guess it might suit some uses. There isn't a search by album in advanced search. There is only search for songs, with one option to find songs that appear on albums containing name. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
In that scenario, I would think you'd typically use track search, not album search. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
That's not modified this year, but modified in 2014. But you've been I get your point about relative timestamps (today - 7) :-). Still, that should work anyway. Well, I planned to update the query each year, so at the moment, it is modified this year :-) Oh... but it won't: the library is initialized from the advanced search module - which is not loaded in the scanner code. More work to do. The famous can of worms... I'm not sure I understand what the association is with the scanner code, but I guess you are on the case. Phil ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
In that scenario, I would think you'd typically use track search, not album search. I suppose so, if there would be an option to show matching songs or show container albums, then everyone happy. I'm not sure why you would want to see heirarchy of album Songs, if you are looking for albums, just list the album results, like Search Albums page? ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Philip Meyer wrote: In that scenario, I would think you'd typically use track search, not album search. I suppose so, if there would be an option to show matching songs or show container albums, then everyone happy. I'm not sure why you would want to see heirarchy of album Songs, if you are looking for albums, just list the album results, like Search Albums page? It wouldn't have to be a hierarchy (for my purposes, anyway), but if you're listing albums, why not? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Please update. It's rough, but it's there. Am 27.09.2014 um 02:58 schrieb Phil Meyer s...@hergest.demon.co.uk: At the moment one seems to get an answer in terms of tracks even if one searches by album in advanced search, which seems a bit perverse- although I guess it might suit some uses. There isn't a search by album in advanced search. There is only search for songs, with one option to find songs that appear on albums containing name. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
If you press the Clear button, it doesn't clear the Saved Search drop-down selection. Thanks. Will fix. When entering a date search, eg Date Modified, it is suggesting American date format (ex: mm/dd/). Could it be locale sensitive? It would be more natural for me to enter dd/mm/. The search seemed to hang up when I entered 30/01/2014, so I assume it really is expecting mm/dd/. Good point! The code actually did load a module to deal with date formats, but didn't use it. I'll look into this again. Would it be possible to specify dates as a number of days in the past, eg. search for music modified in the last 7 days, perhaps could be specified by entering Today-7, or an option for n days in the past. Will see what I can do there. The problem is that for non-EN speakers this might become not so obvious. Und please don't ask me to localize this as well :-P Now I have created a silly library view, how do I remove it? Go to the Switch Library View menu, select your view, Delete it. I should probably rename that menu item. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
When a search is saved as a custom library, and then the music library is rescanned to pick up new music, would you expect the custom library to be refreshed to show new matching music? Yes. If this doesn't work for you, then please send me the advancedSearch.prefs file. I'm not hand-coding the SQL, but try to get it from the underlying OODB code. I've seen invalid SQL returned before - which is surprising, as it would send valid commands to the DB... I did try to eg. not use genre IDs in the queries, as these might change. But maybe I missed something. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Michael do you think there's a chance that advanced search could be given a bit of a spring clean. Did you try the latest builds? I've done more than a spring clean yesterday ;-). For example rather than bitrate (limited to 320 kbps) , I would have thought that most people would be more interested in sample rate and/or bit depth. This combined with conductor and composer searching would make it much more useful for a lot of people. Quite frankly I wouldn't need neither bitrate nor sample rate or bit depth... -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
mherger wrote: Quite frankly I wouldn't need neither bitrate nor sample rate or bit depth... Sample rate and bit depth would be a means of finding hi-res material. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
mherger wrote: - I don't see how/where you can save a search. Once you've run a search you would get a Save As input field at the bottom of the form. And how do you get to that form with the 'Save As'? Is it supposed to reappear above the search results? From what I can see, you have to go back to it via the breadcrumbs before you see the form-above-results and the Save fields. The fact that results can't be paged is indeed a bit limiting... But I thought that the play all item would actually play all matches. More than just a bit. Maybe it works a library view, but I don't use those. If that can be addressed, it would be nicer to be able to list the saved searches in the Search menu instead of only in a drop-down in Advanced Search. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Will see what I can do there. The problem is that for non-EN speakers this might become not so obvious. Und please don't ask me to localize this as well :-P Well perhaps just accepting -7 as an input would do? Now I have created a silly library view, how do I remove it? Go to the Switch Library View menu, select your view, Delete it. I should probably rename that menu item. I missed that, thanks. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Have you given any thought to being able to pull up albums with the Advanced Search? Or possibly artists? For albums, you could simply find albums containing at least one track satisfying the search. Albums, in particular, could be very handy. With the only question being whether users would want the tracks filtered by the search criteria. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
The fact that results can't be paged is indeed a bit limiting... But I thought that the play all item would actually play all matches. More than just a bit. Maybe it works a library view, but I don't use those. For whatever reason paging was disabled for Advanced Search specifically. I re-enabled it, run some tests, and I wasn't able to find any problem with it. So that's back now. If that can be addressed, it would be nicer to be able to list the saved searches in the Search menu instead of only in a drop-down in Advanced Search. Have you given any thought to being able to pull up albums with the Advanced Search? Or possibly artists? For albums, you could simply find albums containing at least one track satisfying the search. That sounds indeed like a good idea. I'm an album listener. Overall I think that Advanced Search opens a few opportunities way beyond what it was supposed to do in the past. I think it's fine to have the UI in the web only. But the saved searches should indeed be easily accessible on any device. I won't do much work on LMS during the next week or two. But that's something I'd like to explore. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
If that can be addressed, it would be nicer to be able to list the saved searches in the Search menu instead of only in a drop-down in Advanced Search. I think it's fine to have the UI in the web only. Yes, no question about this. I couldn't imagine trying to do it in any other UI. But the saved searches should indeed be easily accessible on any device. Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing: I didn't mean being able to run the saved searches as searches, but to be able to play/enqueue them as though they were playlists. They could appear under the Search menu, under Playlists, or under Favorites. Whatever makes sense. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing: I didn't mean being able to run the saved searches as searches, but to be able to play/enqueue them as though they were playlists. They could appear under the Search menu, under Playlists, or under Favorites. Whatever makes sense. The thing about saving as a playlist or favourite, is that it is flat in structure; a heirarchy of search results is good, eg. ArtistAlbum, but not going to be what everyone expects. The flat set of results we get now is good if you are just looking for some specific song(s). A list of previously run searches (automatically save the search and keep last 10) would be okay, but they could do with a name, hence I see why it is how it is. Returning to a saved search is okay, but a bit clunky being on the drop-down list within advanced search. Having a list of saved searches in a sub-menu off the home page may be better. I think saving searches as libraries is awesome. Perhaps there could be an automatic library view Last search results. i.e. perform an advanced search, and it updates the Search Results library. Switch to that to browse the results in different ways, without needing to come up with a name and delete the view later. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
And how do you get to that form with the 'Save As'? Is it supposed to reappear above the search results? From what I can see, you have to go back to it via the breadcrumbs before you see the form-above-results and the Save fields. Yes, that's what I experience. It isn't very intuitive. I assume the idea is that after running a search, it hides the search inputs, to give more space for the outputs. But it's not obvious, and most people wouldn't discover the Save As options. I think some kind of Show/Hide widget for the search input parameters, but move the Save As stuff to be permanently displayed with the results. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Philip Meyer wrote: The thing about saving as a playlist or favourite, is that it is flat in structure; a heirarchy of search results is good, eg. ArtistAlbum, but not going to be what everyone expects. The flat set of results we get now is good if you are just looking for some specific song(s). Rethinking it a bit, ideally the saved searches would be available *both* as searches and as playable lists. If you incorporated the ability to search for either albums or tracks, then by searching for albums you'd have a two-level hierarchy. This could be very helpful. For instance, a search for all 80s Metal albums, then the user could run the search and pick one from the results. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
When a search is saved as a custom library, and then the music library is rescanned to pick up new music, would you expect the custom library to be refreshed to show new matching music? Yes. If this doesn't work for you, then please send me the advancedSearch.prefs file. I'm not hand-coding the SQL, but try to get it from the underlying OODB code. I've seen invalid SQL returned before - which is surprising, as it would send valid commands to the DB... I did try to eg. not use genre IDs in the queries, as these might change. But maybe I missed something. Here's the content of the file: --- Modified this year: timestamp: op: '' value: 01/01/2014 _ts_Modified this year: 1411601030 _ts_asvl_d4dd73de65c48b07771643b4bfe00310: 1411601040 _version: 0 asvl_d4dd73de65c48b07771643b4bfe00310: name: Modified this year sql: SELECT '%s', id FROM (SELECT me.id, me.urlmd5, me.url, me.content_type, me.title, me.titlesort, me.titlesearch, me.album, me.primary_artist, me.tracknum, me.timestamp, me.added_time, me.updated_time, me.filesize, me.disc, me.remote, me.audio, me.audio_size, me.audio_offset, me.year, me.secs, me.cover, me.cover_cached, me.vbr_scale, me.bitrate, me.samplerate, me.samplesize, me.channels, me.block_alignment, me.endian, me.bpm, me.tagversion, me.drm, me.musicmagic_mixable, me.dlna_profile, me.musicbrainz_id, me.lossless, me.lyrics, me.replay_gain, me.replay_peak, me.extid, me.virtual, me.coverid FROM tracks me WHERE ( timestamp 1388534400 ) GROUP BY me.id ORDER BY me.disc, me.titlesort COLLATE en_US ) ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
If you incorporated the ability to search for either albums or tracks, then by searching for albums you'd have a two-level hierarchy. This could be very helpful. For instance, a search for all 80s Metal albums, then the user could run the search and pick one from the results. I assume you still want it to find only matching songs, but would like to see as a heirarchy starting at album? Could have an option for Display results as: Albums or Tracks. Tracks gives the results as they are today, and Albums gives results as list of albums that can be browse do see matching songs. A bit like search Albums, but with results filtered by song matches. There are several different forms of search, and not all are obvious to find. or switch between. e.g. If you click Home Search, you get a page called Search Music (breadcrumb being Home Search), with individual controls to search artists, albums, tracks, playlists. There's no option to get to advanced search here. If you click the live search widget, you go to a page called Search Music (breadcrumb being Home Search), but it only has a single search control, that brings back results for all four types of search. This offers a way to get to advanced search. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
mherger wrote: That sounds indeed like a good idea. I'm an album listener. Overall I think that Advanced Search opens a few opportunities way beyond what it was supposed to do in the past. I think it's fine to have the UI in the web only. But the saved searches should indeed be easily accessible on any device. I won't do much work on LMS during the next week or two. But that's something I'd like to explore. -- Michael Thanks for your efforts on this so far. I think the new one click access to advanced search is great. Thanks also for getting the additional query for conductors and composers under artists. FWIW my thoughts are 1. Getting results by album as well as by track would be really useful. Quite often one may need to search in the track (eg for word sonata) when one really wants a whole work and having all the tracks is not especially useful as well as taking up too much space. 2. It would be great if there was some way of searching for more than one dimension or at least more than one term within artist eg composer Beethoven; artist=Richter. 3. It would be good to be able to get as sample rate either as a new entry or just by extending bitrate out way beyond 320 Kbps adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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me.coverid FROM tracks me WHERE ( timestamp 1388534400 ) GROUP BY me.id ORDER That's not modified this year, but modified in 2014. But you've been I get your point about relative timestamps (today - 7) :-). Still, that should work anyway. Oh... but it won't: the library is initialized from the advanced search module - which is not loaded in the scanner code. More work to do. The famous can of worms... -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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Rethinking it a bit, ideally the saved searches would be available *both* as searches and as playable lists. Hehe... choice is always good! Except for the developer :-P. If you incorporated the ability to search for either albums or tracks, then by searching for albums you'd have a two-level hierarchy. Two more bullet points added to my list. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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If you incorporated the ability to search for either albums or tracks, then by searching for albums you'd have a two-level hierarchy. This could be very helpful. For instance, a search for all 80s Metal albums, then the user could run the search and pick one from the results. I assume you still want it to find only matching songs, but would like to see as a heirarchy starting at album? There's some disagreement on this point - see adamdea's posting. Please discuss. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
mherger wrote: If you incorporated the ability to search for either albums or tracks, then by searching for albums you'd have a two-level hierarchy. This could be very helpful. For instance, a search for all 80s Metal albums, then the user could run the search and pick one from the results. I assume you still want it to find only matching songs, but would like to see as a heirarchy starting at album? There's some disagreement on this point - see adamdea's posting. Please discuss. Yeah, I'm not certain whether you'd want filtering when searching for albums. For my needs, I think not. Lets say I have an album that is found by genre and year range, with a couple of tracks on the album labeled with a different genre. If I find that album in a list of results using the Advanced Search and then I decide to play it, I'm going to want to play the entire album, not just the filtered tracks. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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Philip Meyer wrote: If you incorporated the ability to search for either albums or tracks, then by searching for albums you'd have a two-level hierarchy. This could be very helpful. For instance, a search for all 80s Metal albums, then the user could run the search and pick one from the results. I assume you still want it to find only matching songs, but would like to see as a heirarchy starting at album? Could have an option for Display results as: Albums or Tracks. Tracks gives the results as they are today, and Albums gives results as list of albums that can be browse do see matching songs. A bit like search Albums, but with results filtered by song matches. Possibly. I was thinking maybe a bit simpler. In the form, there would be a field to designate either an album or track search. When saved, the same album/track criteria would be saved as part of the search. I think you have to give some thought to using the saved searches in the other UIs, where extra menu levels can make it cumbersome. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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Would it be possible to add something to search to help organize the results? I've had to do about 400 searches in the past day or so as I look for whether I have specific songs used for an event. I needed Fever by Sarah Vaughan. Searching for fever alone brings back a ridiculous number of results, sorted by no discernible order. Searching for Sarah Vaughan does the same. Combining them in advanced search was better but I can see scenarios when what I really want is all occurrences of a song and it would be nice to be able to sort in a meaningful way. The other thing I'd like is an exact match option. If I'm looking for the song Get Ready I get over 100 matches as shown below, organized in no specific order. There's no way to see all the different versions of the song in one place without making my number of items to display setting uncomfortably high. 16426 +---+ |Filename: search.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16426| +---+ Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 - Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 - Cambridge Audio DacMagic - NAD C160 - 2 x NAD C272 - Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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Would it be possible to add something to search to help organize the results? Difficult to impossible without a considerable amount of work and lots of new code. I've always hoped to see a grid view at some point, which would allow to sort tracks by whatever column you want. But that would require major work. It's something I've been playing with years ago... before I got hired by Logitech :-). I think there are a few 3rd party solutions which would help in your case. I don't remember all the names, but IIRC there are desktop applications for Windows and Java(?), as well as a plugin providing an advanced web UI (ext4* something in the name). -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
You might add an 'Advanced Search' item under My Music Search, if that's possible under onebrowser. I tried this... but as you guessed, the browse menu handler made this impossible. Or at least I didn't find a way to do it in a reasonable amount of time. It's now a link next to the Search menu item. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Ok, I did some work on the Advanced Search. Please update to the latest builds and give this some good testing: a. now that additional browse modes support composer and conductor at least, could the advanced search functionality incorporate them as a query. Yes. You can now define what roles you'd like to search for. b. is there a way of getting advanced search to appear as a top level menu option and to have it readily accessible in Ipeng? Yes: when you hover over the Search menu item, you should get a link to the Advanced Search, too. And from a related thread (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101248) Why not just adapt the web UI's Advanced Search, perhaps adding some fields, or making it more SQL-like? I've added support for playcount and ratings (if enabled in the server), more operators like range, text search on genres. Could offer buttons on the search/advanced search pages to Save as Favourite or Save as custom library. You can now save searchs to be re-run, as well as as library view definitions. Please give that latter option some really good testing: Unfortunately the underlying code of the advanced search still is not using raw SQL, but an OODB approach. It's simpler to implement this kind of form, but comes with some limitations. One being there's no access to the final, generated SQL executed on the server. I still have to interpolate variables myself - which is ugly, but seems to be working. Please tell me how to break it :-). The problem with the advanced search is that it permits only one (sometimes two) criteria for each metadata field. For instance, there's no way to designate the YEAR to be between 1980 and 1989, or to designate more than one GENRE. There are new operators to search within or outside a range for various search criteria. There's one caveat: if you display the search form on a 13 laptop display, then there's little space left to show the actual search results :-). -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Played with it a little, and here a couple of quick observations: - I'm only seeing a single page of results, ordered alphabetically, with no pagebar or 'more' links. There's an 'All Songs' link, but it's not linked to anything. The play/enqueue buttons for 'All Songs' works, but only plays the items in that one page of results. - I don't see how/where you can save a search. - How does the genre text search work? Is it a simple LIKE '%text%' or can you do anything more complicated? - When a search item is set to 'range' or 'not in range', shouldn't a second text box appear? I don't get one. - When you've done a search, and click 'Advanced Search' in the breadcrumb navigation, why are the search results from the prior search shown below the form? Is there a use for this? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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I guess I was somewhat unfamiliar with Advanced Search. I took a look at Advanced Search in 7.8 and 7.7, which answered a couple of my questions. (BTW, it's unbelievably slow in earlier versions of LMS when the result set is large. I see the server's CPU being pegged and eventually it times out in the browser. Meanwhile, LMS 7.9 takes less than a second to run the same search.) JJZolx wrote: - I'm only seeing a single page of results, ordered alphabetically, with no pagebar or 'more' links. There's an 'All Songs' link, but it's not linked to anything. The play/enqueue buttons for 'All Songs' works, but only plays the items in that one page of results. This appears to be how it's always worked, which raises some questions. What I would envision the new functionality to be used for is generating very large playlists. For example all Rock from the 1980s, or all Jazz from before 1940, or all Metal with a rating of at least 4. Without access to everything returned, I don't see how the search results would be very useful. - When you've done a search, and click 'Advanced Search' in the breadcrumb navigation, why are the search results from the prior search shown below the form? Is there a use for this? Again, this is apparently how it's always worked. I don't quite understand why, but it's not new. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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- I don't see how/where you can save a search. Once you've run a search you would get a Save As input field at the bottom of the form. - How does the genre text search work? Is it a simple LIKE '%text%' or can you do anything more complicated? No, just names, or part of names. rock, pop would be expanded to ... LIKE '%ROCK%' OR .. LIKE '%POP%'. Please note that the option whether to search at the beginning of words only applies. - When a search item is set to 'range' or 'not in range', shouldn't a second text box appear? I don't get one. just enter something like 2000-2010, 1970:2000, or simply 1970 2000 The fact that results can't be paged is indeed a bit limiting... But I thought that the play all item would actually play all matches. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Michael do you think there's a chance that advanced search could be given a bit of a spring clean. For example rather than bitrate (limited to 320 kbps) , I would have thought that most people would be more interested in sample rate and/or bit depth. This combined with conductor and composer searching would make it much more useful for a lot of people. adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
mherger wrote: Ok, I did some work on the Advanced Search. Please update to the latest builds and give this some good testing: Could offer buttons on the search/advanced search pages to Save as Favourite or Save as custom library. You can now save searchs to be re-run, as well as as library view definitions. Michael Wonderful, thanks Michael. Advanced Search results are now so much nicer when they are treated as a new library, so they can be browsed in different ways. Seems to work well. I also tried to save the search and re-select it. Having selected the saved search, I thought I would clear the form and create a new search. My first instinct was to select a blank line from the Saved Searches drop-down list, but there was an option Saved Search instead (no label for the widget - perhaps this option was intended to be the label?). Selecting Saved Search seems to run the search form. If you press the Clear button, it doesn't clear the Saved Search drop-down selection. When entering a date search, eg Date Modified, it is suggesting American date format (ex: mm/dd/). Could it be locale sensitive? It would be more natural for me to enter dd/mm/. The search seemed to hang up when I entered 30/01/2014, so I assume it really is expecting mm/dd/. Would it be possible to specify dates as a number of days in the past, eg. search for music modified in the last 7 days, perhaps could be specified by entering Today-7, or an option for n days in the past. It appears that an advanced search is also searching only within the currently selected library, which caught me out at first. i.e. set up a search for music modified this year, save as a library and activate the library. Then advanced search for an artist returns only that artists music that has been modified this year ;-) Now I have created a silly library view, how do I remove it? Philip Meyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=95 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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When a search is saved as a custom library, and then the music library is rescanned to pick up new music, would you expect the custom library to be refreshed to show new matching music? I'm not seeing that at the moment. i.e. the search was for music modified this year, and a specific artist. I then touched the timestamp on an album by that artist, and rescanned music library. It doesn't appear in the custom library. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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a. now that additional browse modes support composer and conductor at least, could the advanced search functionality incorporate them as a query. b. is there a way of getting advanced search to appear as a top level menu option and to have it readily accessible in Ipeng? For quite some time I was wondering whether anybody was even using it. It seems so :-). I would agree that the current way to get to the advanced search is more than cumbersome... I'll see what I can do there. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
mherger wrote: a. now that additional browse modes support composer and conductor at least, could the advanced search functionality incorporate them as a query. b. is there a way of getting advanced search to appear as a top level menu option and to have it readily accessible in Ipeng? For quite some time I was wondering whether anybody was even using it. It seems so :-). I would agree that the current way to get to the advanced search is more than cumbersome... I'll see what I can do there. -- Michael Thanks- sorry I am being demanding aren't I? You may be interested to know that I was partly stimulated by this the complaints about tagging on this http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=162124page=3 Which made me think that it would be good to be able to make more use of advanced search. When composer etc were only appearing as artist then artist search covered most things, but it would be useful to search by composer and artist separately. adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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mherger wrote: I would agree that the current way to get to the advanced search is more than cumbersome... Only if you don't know where it is, or you're unaware that it exists. But if you do know, it's only two clicks from anywhere in the web UI. You might add an 'Advanced Search' item under My Music Search, if that's possible under onebrowser. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
I have a couple of suggestions which might enhance search functionality out of the box (ie without having to construct custom search) a. now that additional browse modes support composer and conductor at least, could the advanced search functionality incorporate them as a query. b. is there a way of getting advanced search to appear as a top level menu option and to have it readily accessible in Ipeng? adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
Personally, I wouldn't want any type of 'fuzzy' searching or extended searching within the basic search. If want to find anything by name, then I'll take one of two approaches: * Enter just enough of the name to be certain that the search will return a short list that is easily scanned for the desired target. If the search were to return 2x or 3x the results that it currently does, then this list isn't so easily scanned, and might require typing in more of the string to narrow down the search. * Enter the entire, exact name to see all instances in my library. Typically, this would be a track name, to see (and often, play) all of the recordings. If the search were to apply some type of fuzzy matching, then it wouldn't be easy to find only exact matches. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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I would think the fuzzy search would only be a specific advanced search option to avoid taking a performance hit on regular searching. I would only use it when I didn't get any hits on the specific search. How much value it has may depend on how spelling challenged you are. Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 - Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 - Cambridge Audio DacMagic - NAD C160 - 2 x NAD C272 - Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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Mnyb wrote: I would like fuzzy search mostly for misspeling and tracks and artists in non native languages . Current search already seems to deal well with artists with special characters and is case insensitive. Is there a specific example of a search of an artist with characters in the string that does not produce the expected/desired results? Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 - Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 - Cambridge Audio DacMagic - NAD C160 - 2 x NAD C272 - Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
get.amped wrote: My personal favorite enhancement is to have a way to determine whether a track (or artist or album, etc.) is included in a saved playlist. Sounds like its a real unique wish... get.amped wrote: Right now, I have to open the list in another program (like Wordpad) and use its Search function. There are thousand ways to rome... Code: $ sqlite3 /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/library.db sqlite select playlist from playlist_track where track like '%oloko%'; 61801 61801 61801 61801 select url from tracks where id like '61801'; file:///home/jan/[playlist]/molokodemo.m3u I am pretty shure there is one plugin from a user (is it mynb:confused:) that sells some enhanced sql plugins that do the same... Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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DJanGo wrote: Sounds like its a real unique wish... There are thousand ways to rome... Code: $ sqlite3 /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/library.db sqlite select playlist from playlist_track where track like '%oloko%'; 61801 61801 61801 61801 select url from tracks where id like '61801'; file:///home/jan/[playlist]/molokodemo.m3u I am pretty shure there is one plugin from a user (edit its erland /edit) that sells some enhanced sql plugins that do the same... It may be unique to my use of LMS, I don't really know. It's certainly of more use than the current functionality of returning a matching playlist name; I've never been interested in that particular search result. Does anyone have so many playlists that they would need to search for one by name instead of just opening the Playlist view under My Music? Arguably, the way I currently do this (right click on playlist .m3u file, Send to Wordpad, Ctrl-H, type string, enter) is faster than opening SQLite and entering a couple of queries. Overall there's fairly limited playlist functionality in LMS. Basically you can save the Now playing list and... that's about it other than selecting it to play it again. You can't reorder items in the saved list or easily add new items, although there is a plugin (which I use) to let you add the currently playing song to a list using the remote. It's somewhat interesting that there are way more tools to generate playlists based on some general criteria than to deliberately craft one with specifically selected and ordered tracks. Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 - Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 - Cambridge Audio DacMagic - NAD C160 - 2 x NAD C272 - Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
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get.amped wrote: Overall there's fairly limited playlist functionality in LMS. Basically you can save the Now playing list and... that's about it other than selecting it to play it again. You can't reorder items in the saved list In the web UI you can drag and drop items in the current playlist, although it doesn't work that well for very long playlists that are broken up into pages. (I've wondered whether it's really necessary to break the current playlist into pages.) or easily add new items It's pretty easy to add new items to a playlist that's been loaded into the current playlist. The only real difficulty I can see is if you wanted to listen to something else while working on building or editing a playlist. It's somewhat interesting that there are way more tools to generate playlists based on some general criteria than to deliberately craft one with specifically selected and ordered tracks. That's because designing and perfecting a user interface is many times more work and difficulty. There _are_ desktop applications available that let you build standard m3u playlists. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
JJZolx wrote: The only real difficulty I can see is if you wanted to listen to something else while working on building or editing a playlist. This is a significant part of the issue. When I'm building new playlists, I often do so on my secondary system by adding songs into the Now playing list. Probably not realistic for many (most?) LMS users to have a complete second system to work on what they will be listening to at some other time while the primary one is playing what they want to hear right now. That's because designing and perfecting a user interface is many times more work and difficulty. This is true in almost all programming endeavors. I'm teaching some kids in the robotics program I mentor how to deal with web forms and it's challenging for them to say the least. There _are_ desktop applications available that let you build standard m3u playlists. I should probably see if any of them are actually easier than what I do now when manually editing the .m3u files in Wordpad. The big disadvantage I can forsee with a desktop app is that it won't have access to the LMS database to search for tracks. My guess is that it will still be a matter of identifying tracks of interest in LMS and then manually finding that track in the file system to add it to the playlist. I do that now using Windows Explorer, shift-right click on the file I want and select copy as path from the context menu, then paste into the .m3u file in Wordpad. If I had any competency at all in Perl I would load a Linux build of LMS in a VM and see what I could do about creating a playlist editor plugin. It's got to be one of the easiest file structures to deal with since you can throw away pretty much everything except the initial #CURTRACK and #EXTM3U comments and just work with the list of fully qualified file names, one per line. The Javascript for the drag and drop behavior can probably be cribbed from the existing Now playing code. The most interesting part would be integrating search functionality within the editing to be able to indicate that you want to add a track at a point in the list and have one of the ways to add it is to select from a list of results returned by search. And after typing all this it occurs to me that it's almost completely off topic for this thread. :o Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 - Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 - Cambridge Audio DacMagic - NAD C160 - 2 x NAD C272 - Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
get.amped wrote: This is a significant part of the issue. When I'm building new playlists, I often do so on my secondary system by adding songs into the Now playing list. Probably not realistic for many (most?) LMS users to have a complete second system to work on what they will be listening to at some other time while the primary one is playing what they want to hear right now. A simple workaround just occurred to me: The current playlist is per-player. If you can install a software player such as SqueezePlay on a PC, then you can use it as a dummy player. Play what you like on one or more players, and use the software player as a target for a playlist while you work on it. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
JJZolx wrote: A simple workaround just occurred to me: The current playlist is per-player. If you can install a software player such as SqueezePlay on a PC, then you can use it as a dummy player. Play what you like on one or more players, and use the software player as a target for a playlist while you work on it. That would be a relatively easy way to build a new playlist with a single system and not interfere with what's playing now. Nice! Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 - Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 - Cambridge Audio DacMagic - NAD C160 - 2 x NAD C272 - Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
get.amped wrote: That would be a relatively easy way to build a new playlist with a single system and not interfere with what's playing now. Nice! The local player plugin can be your friend if the LMS server can install that plugin ,then it s basically a one click operation and a restart ( ok two click ) . I have squeezelite on my desktop I use for such purpose sometimes . I also done the use other software thing ,but as I have a Linux server and a Linux desktop I managed to mount the music disc and server share on both machines so that the file path was identical , and presto no need to edit the file paths in the m3u files ( it's usually a simple search and replace anyway but...) I also really wished for a more comprehensive playlist editor in LMS , but that's another tread and historically I think not all devs was for this ,it's a lot of work I suppose . I do,use the plugin that allows you to add tracks to already named playlists . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] LMS 7.9 Search Functionality Enhancements
I would like fuzzy search mostly for misspeling and tracks and artists in non native languages . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101727 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
