Re: [blind-gamers] A hero's call question

[Michael Law]

If assassins arrow is fully upgraded, just hold your points, then you can fully 
upgrade the skills when they come available.

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From: blind-gamers@groups.io  On Behalf Of lori duncan
Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 10:42 AM
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Oh ok, so what should I upgrade meantime?

On 11/03/2021 21:07, Michael Law wrote:
> Those ones don't upgrade. If you played as a ranger  you would find they 
> didn't upgrade for yourself either. I tend to use assassins arrow, then 
> stagger when available, and finally volley, which is multiple shots at 
> different opponents.
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> Subject: [blind-gamers] A hero's call question
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> Hi I was just wondering why there are some of Mathius's skills I can't seem 
> to upgrade when I'm leveling him up for example there's no option to let me 
> increase the quick draw or ranged strike abilities, and the only things he 
> has which are upgradable don't seem very helpful within battle.  Any advice 
> for how best to upgrade the ranger?
>
> Thanks from Lori.
>
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Re: [blind-gamers] A hero's call question

[lori duncan]

Oh ok, so what should I upgrade meantime?

On 11/03/2021 21:07, Michael Law wrote:

Those ones don't upgrade. If you played as a ranger  you would find they didn't 
upgrade for yourself either. I tend to use assassins arrow, then stagger when 
available, and finally volley, which is multiple shots at different opponents.

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Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 7:43 AM
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Subject: [blind-gamers] A hero's call question

Hi I was just wondering why there are some of Mathius's skills I can't seem to 
upgrade when I'm leveling him up for example there's no option to let me 
increase the quick draw or ranged strike abilities, and the only things he has 
which are upgradable don't seem very helpful within battle.  Any advice for how 
best to upgrade the ranger?

Thanks from Lori.






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Re: [blind-gamers] A hero's call question

[Michael Law]

Those ones don't upgrade. If you played as a ranger  you would find they didn't 
upgrade for yourself either. I tend to use assassins arrow, then stagger when 
available, and finally volley, which is multiple shots at different opponents.

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Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 7:43 AM
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Subject: [blind-gamers] A hero's call question

Hi I was just wondering why there are some of Mathius's skills I can't seem to 
upgrade when I'm leveling him up for example there's no option to let me 
increase the quick draw or ranged strike abilities, and the only things he has 
which are upgradable don't seem very helpful within battle.  Any advice for how 
best to upgrade the ranger?

Thanks from Lori.






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[blind-gamers] A hero's call question

[lori duncan]

Hi I was just wondering why there are some of Mathius's skills I can't 
seem to upgrade when I'm leveling him up for example there's no option 
to let me increase the quick draw or ranged strike abilities, and the 
only things he has which are upgradable don't seem very helpful within 
battle.  Any advice for how best to upgrade the ranger?


Thanks from Lori.



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Re: [blind-gamers] a hero's call question

[Shaun Everiss]

I have never finnished the game myself.

But from those that have.

1.  you can restart the game with another class, and continue to level 
up from where you left off.


Aparently, the southern gateway becomes accessible however having never 
beaten the game I havn't tried to go there.




On 31/05/2019 2:28 PM, Sly wrote:

Greetings Gamers!
I have completed a heros call.
Yea! Thanks to Paul and a few others I finally completed the game. Yea!
But my question is now what>?
I won't  spoil the game but let's just say after the credits what do
you do next if any thing?
You are returned to the world but do you just start a new quest or is
there something else to it.
Thanks for any direction.
Sly Later






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[blind-gamers] a hero's call question

[Sly]

Greetings Gamers!
I have completed a heros call.
Yea! Thanks to Paul and a few others I finally completed the game. Yea!
But my question is now what>?
I won't  spoil the game but let's just say after the credits what do
you do next if any thing?
You are returned to the world but do you just start a new quest or is
there something else to it.
Thanks for any direction.
Sly Later

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Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call Question

[Michael]

Once you see what the shopkeeper is selling, hit tab, and it’ll bring you to 
your inventory, and hit enter to sell something.
This one had me too for a while. Lol
MikeFont


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From: Steven Cullen
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Hi Everyone,
Okay everyone I have another questions this one has been bugging me for weeks 
now. Any way does anyone know how to sell stuff to the store owners in town. 
Any help would be appreciated thank you all very much for any help.
Regards,
Steve Cullen

[blind-gamers] A Hero's Call Question

[Steven Cullen]

Hi Everyone,
Okay everyone I have another questions this one has been bugging me for weeks 
now. Any way does anyone know how to sell stuff to the store owners in town. 
Any help would be appreciated thank you all very much for any help.
Regards,
Steve Cullen


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[blind-gamers] A Hero's Call Question

[Steven Cullen]

Hi Everyone,
Okay I went to the professors house and talked with him about the half of an
amulet I have. Well I need to know what I'm supposed to do next. 
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[blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question on the mines

[Sly]

On 1/6/18, Darren Duff  wrote:
> Youtube
>
> Darren Duff.
>
> Colossians 3:17  And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of
> the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.
>
> amateur radio station KK4AHX.
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> Follow me on twitter @darren_duff
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> skype duffman31279
>
> On 1/5/2018 4:23 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> Where can I find the archives of the streams at?
>>
>> Sent from Mail  for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *Darren Duff 
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 5, 2018 08:43
>> *To: *blind-gamers@groups.io 
>> *Subject: *Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call questions.
>>
>> If you are not able to catch them live, the archives are awesome way to
>>
>> catch up.
>>
>> Darren Duff.
>>
>> Colossians 3:17  And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative
>> of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.
>>
>> amateur radio station KK4AHX.
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>> Follow me on twitter @darren_duff
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>>
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>> skype duffman31279
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>> On 1/4/2018 5:43 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
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>> > I am trying to follow your streams when I can, I also enjoy them.
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>> > On 4/01/2018 11:11 p.m., michael barnes wrote:
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>> >> Liam I have to say that I am enjoying your live stream of the game on
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>> >> I am one of the subscribers to your channel.
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>> >> The reason that I ask about the game ending on a cliff hanger is
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Greetings All!
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space
I have been roaming around the mines for two weeks and finally have to
ask for any help finding the trap door.
I have the thiedf in my party who led us to the rock fall and I think
that unlocked the underground lake or whatever but I for the  life of
me can not find that darn door.
Thanks for any help.
Later!  Sly

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Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Darren Duff]

spoilers please.


spoilers below!





Yes you are on the right track.

Darren Duff.

Colossians 3:17  And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the 
Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

amateur radio station KK4AHX.

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On 2/7/2018 7:47 AM, mattias wrote:


yes i found one door with a form of puzzle

in the ruin
Den 2/7/2018 kl. 12:26 PM, skrev Darren Duff:


Just explore carefully! I don't want to give this one away. You can 
do it!


Darren Duff.

Colossians 3:17  And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the 
Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

amateur radio station KK4AHX.

Follow me on twitter @darren_duff

friend me on face bookhttp://www.facebook.com/DarrenLDuff.

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On 2/6/2018 6:39 PM, mattias wrote:


how to find the horses?

i'm are in the western ruin in the forest


Den 2018-02-06 kl. 22:14, skrev Darren Duff:


spoilers.


easiest way is to read the book you will find in the study of the 
manner. Then you can use beacons.


Darren Duff.

Colossians 3:17  And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the 
Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

amateur radio station KK4AHX.

Follow me on twitter @darren_duff

friend me on face bookhttp://www.facebook.com/DarrenLDuff.

primary e-mailduff...@gmail.com

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On 2/6/2018 2:32 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:


How do you get to the mosoliums?  I am able to find one of them, 
but not all of them.


Jordan

*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] *On 
Behalf Of *Stan Bobbitt

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:10 PM
*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Hi, you get there from inside the Mausoleums.  I can’t remember 
exactly but seems like I just wondered around in there until I 
found a door and it asked if I wanted to enter the catacombs.


HTH

Stan B

*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
[mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jordan Gallacher

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:02 PM
*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
*Subject:* [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

How in the world do you find your way into the catacombs?  I 
finally gave up for now and went over to the Mine.


Thanks,

Jordan

Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[mattias]

yes i found one door with a form of puzzle

in the ruin
Den 2/7/2018 kl. 12:26 PM, skrev Darren Duff:


Just explore carefully! I don't want to give this one away. You can do it!

Darren Duff.

Colossians 3:17  And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the 
Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

amateur radio station KK4AHX.

Follow me on twitter @darren_duff

friend me on face bookhttp://www.facebook.com/DarrenLDuff.

primary e-mailduff...@gmail.com

Mobile e-mailmobiledu...@gmail.com

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On 2/6/2018 6:39 PM, mattias wrote:


how to find the horses?

i'm are in the western ruin in the forest


Den 2018-02-06 kl. 22:14, skrev Darren Duff:


spoilers.


easiest way is to read the book you will find in the study of the 
manner. Then you can use beacons.


Darren Duff.

Colossians 3:17  And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the 
Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

amateur radio station KK4AHX.

Follow me on twitter @darren_duff

friend me on face bookhttp://www.facebook.com/DarrenLDuff.

primary e-mailduff...@gmail.com

Mobile e-mailmobiledu...@gmail.com

skype duffman31279
On 2/6/2018 2:32 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:


How do you get to the mosoliums?  I am able to find one of them, 
but not all of them.


Jordan

*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] *On 
Behalf Of *Stan Bobbitt

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:10 PM
*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Hi, you get there from inside the Mausoleums.  I can’t remember 
exactly but seems like I just wondered around in there until I 
found a door and it asked if I wanted to enter the catacombs.


HTH

Stan B

*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
[mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jordan Gallacher

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:02 PM
*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
*Subject:* [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

How in the world do you find your way into the catacombs?  I 
finally gave up for now and went over to the Mine.


Thanks,

Jordan

Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[mattias]

how to find the horses?

i'm are in the western ruin in the forest


Den 2018-02-06 kl. 22:14, skrev Darren Duff:


spoilers.


easiest way is to read the book you will find in the study of the 
manner. Then you can use beacons.


Darren Duff.

Colossians 3:17  And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the 
Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

amateur radio station KK4AHX.

Follow me on twitter @darren_duff

friend me on face bookhttp://www.facebook.com/DarrenLDuff.

primary e-mailduff...@gmail.com

Mobile e-mailmobiledu...@gmail.com

skype duffman31279
On 2/6/2018 2:32 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:


How do you get to the mosoliums?  I am able to find one of them, but 
not all of them.


Jordan

*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] *On 
Behalf Of *Stan Bobbitt

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:10 PM
*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Hi, you get there from inside the Mausoleums.  I can’t remember 
exactly but seems like I just wondered around in there until I found 
a door and it asked if I wanted to enter the catacombs.


HTH

Stan B

*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
[mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jordan Gallacher

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:02 PM
*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
*Subject:* [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

How in the world do you find your way into the catacombs?  I finally 
gave up for now and went over to the Mine.


Thanks,

Jordan

Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Darren Duff]

spoilers.


easiest way is to read the book you will find in the study of the 
manner. Then you can use beacons.


Darren Duff.

Colossians 3:17  And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the 
Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

amateur radio station KK4AHX.

Follow me on twitter @darren_duff

friend me on face book http://www.facebook.com/DarrenLDuff.

primary E-mail duff...@gmail.com

Mobile E-mail mobiledu...@gmail.com

skype duffman31279

On 2/6/2018 2:32 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:


How do you get to the mosoliums?  I am able to find one of them, but 
not all of them.


Jordan

*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] *On 
Behalf Of *Stan Bobbitt

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:10 PM
*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Hi, you get there from inside the Mausoleums.  I can’t remember 
exactly but seems like I just wondered around in there until I found a 
door and it asked if I wanted to enter the catacombs.


HTH

Stan B

*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
[mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Jordan Gallacher

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:02 PM
*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
*Subject:* [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

How in the world do you find your way into the catacombs?  I finally 
gave up for now and went over to the Mine.


Thanks,

Jordan

Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Darren Duff]

spoilers.


each mausoleum in the grave yard has an entrance. You can use beacons 
once you are inside one of them.


Darren Duff.

Colossians 3:17  And whatever you do or say, do it as a representative of the 
Lord Jesus, giving thanks through him to God the Father.

amateur radio station KK4AHX.

Follow me on twitter @darren_duff

friend me on face book http://www.facebook.com/DarrenLDuff.

primary E-mail duff...@gmail.com

Mobile E-mail mobiledu...@gmail.com

skype duffman31279

On 2/6/2018 2:02 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:


How in the world do you find your way into the catacombs?  I finally 
gave up for now and went over to the Mine.


Thanks,

Jordan

Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Jordan Gallacher]

How do you get to the mosoliums?  I am able to find one of them, but not all of 
them.

Jordan

 

From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Stan 
Bobbitt
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:10 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

 

Hi, you get there from inside the Mausoleums.  I can’t remember exactly but 
seems like I just wondered around in there until I found a door and it asked if 
I wanted to enter the catacombs. 

HTH

Stan B

From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>  
[mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:02 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
Subject: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

 

How in the world do you find your way into the catacombs?  I finally gave up 
for now and went over to the Mine.

Thanks,

Jordan

Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Stephen]

The way I see it, some people attacked him, and he arked up and 
started lashing out at some who quite frankly, did not deserve to be 
lashed out at.  He got his nose out of joint with me because I kept 
finding crash bugs with monkey business, one after another after 
another.  I committed the oh so cardinal sin of suggesting he should 
have kept the product in beta for longer and that I should have been 
on his beta list because then I could have found out about the crash 
problems and caught them before he released it as a paid product.
I also think that Dave Sherman (anyone remember him?) was not being 
helpful by posting snarky smart aleky replies whenever I posted a 
question or asked someone for help on the list, and somehow, James 
got it into his judgmental head that I was one of the people 
responsible for everything going wrong in his life, and Sherman's 
beligerence did not help things.  and then other people who will 
remain nameless joined the fray and I was basically hounded off the list.

All in all it was not a pleasant experience!


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Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Shaun Everiss]

Yeah but by then people were really mad.

Really mad, sadly espsoftworks shifted from lioncourt to adora to 
draconis which seems to have gone silent ish.


Just like everything in the old core.




On 31/12/2017 12:08 p.m., Charles Rivard wrote:
Someone also put out a hack for one of the games because he felt that, 
seeing as he got a pirated copy for free, everyone else should get it, 
too. Think that didn't cause a fuss??  Holy Smoke!!  This was after 
James North had sold the rights to the game to Josh de Lioncourt, if I 
remember it right.





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-Original Message- From: Jordan Gallacher
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:42 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Yep so true.  It is also not right to talk about another product on a 
list

that is specificly for one product, which is what one person did, and he
caused a lot of headaches for a lot of people.
Jordan

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michael barnes
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:47 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

It is very sad when people are nasty with developers of games for the 
blind.

We have lost so many developers do to this reason.
It is cool to give ideas or suggestions, but not to be nasty with them.










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Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Shaun Everiss]

No one knows about the start of the history from 1995-2005 that well its 
only recently that we have started to record community history on 
forums, archives, audyssey.org, etc and even then the mag has stopped.


If I remember rightly, we had a few servers with stuff, one softcon 
server now lost and maybe something else.


We never kept records of it all, and in fact bar the snippits we got at 
the time it was never that clear in the first place.


If it happened in 2007 or 2008 when bavisoft went we may have had 
another source with audiogames.net, they actually will do their best 
being the main database to find a dev if one is lost if you don't anger 
those guys and they do have to put up with a lot usually.


From the outside, james stopped for unknown reason.

No one got anything no mail no games, nothing.

We found out second hand about the attacks, the issues in a small part 
though it was never a full story, well maybe we didn't need all of it 
but it wasn't a satisfactory answer, even at the end james never 
publically appeared to explain himself, if he did we wouldn't have had 
any issue at all.





On 31/12/2017 12:04 p.m., Charles Rivard wrote:
Reality check for Justin:  Seeing as you know nothing about what went 
on between James North and a lot of blind gamers, you should say 
nothing. While it is true that, as the saying goes, "If you can't 
stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", there was also absolutely no 
reason for these people to send him the eMails that they sent not only 
to this list, but to James personally.  He was not thin skinned.  He 
took an awful lot of totally unnecessary abuse, a lot of it personal 
rather than about his business, from childish and impatient whiners 
who did not realize that problems do come up during beta testing, and 
that he would not distribute a buggy product.  He announced an 
expected, not set in concrete, date of release, and then sent updates 
if that date was not going to be met.  In his updates, he gave the 
reason for the pushing back date of the game.  I saw some of these 
eMails, and would have thrown these adult children into a playpen to 
fight among themselves over a pacifier if I could have.  They went 
beyond nasty by far.





If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message- From: Justin Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:43 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Okay, reality check: if a developer cannot handle the heat, he
shouldn't be a developer, or, at the very least, have someone else
handle his public relations.

I don't know anything about this James person you guys are on about,
but based on what I have heard, he sounded like a thin-skinned
narsicist that needed to get over himself. What, did he actually think
that the main stream gaming public would treat him better? Hate to
break the news, but main stream gamers are just as, if not more so,
toxic; just as demanding; just as unforgiving. If you want to develop
games, you had better be prepared to handle that reality and not cry
about it when the Internet takes a swing at you.

On 12/30/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes I agree also. And now everybody I checked my bank and I am good 
to go!

So guess what? I am off to buy a hero’s call and start playing, yay!


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From: Ian McNamara
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:54
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Hi all,

I completely agree, it’s good to give feedback to developers but not be
nasty or slag them off. If your not satisfied with what your getting 
then

why not learn the skills and make a game you want?

Kind regards.

Ian McNamara


On 30 Dec 2017, at 17:42, Jordan Gallacher 
<jordanandseptem...@gmail.com>

wrote:

Yep so true.  It is also not right to talk about another product on a
list
that is specificly for one product, which is what one person did, 
and he

caused a lot of headaches for a lot of people.
Jordan

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From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On 
Behalf Of

michael barnes
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:47 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

It is very sad when people are nasty with developers of games for the
blind.
We have lost so many developers do to this reason.
It is cool to give ideas or suggestions, but not to be nasty with them.




















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Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Shaun Everiss]

Thats the problem you are right, up till the change he had regularly 
been releasing updates.


In the last batch, something happened to get him off, he simply shut his 
mouth and this was before the external attacks started, the only guy he 
would talk to was phill and thats why we even tried to hold out for so long.


From phill the issue was serious enough to set him back which was why 
no one immediately rallied about.


However when it became clear that nothing was coming, understandably 
people started to wander.


The fact we had to write it off as experience is probably why there are 
a lot more moaners and whiners now.


True some just complete nutters but trust over all for developers was 
really hurt that day.


And its never recovered, now not only does your average dev need to have 
a good game that keeps on giving, it needs to be near perfect, it needs 
to work reliably and it needs to be out on time with open communications.


Bavisoft was another such company to the point where people started 
pirating their games.


Eventually it got to the audiogames mods who really did their upmost to 
contact bavisoft on status but got no responce.


Eventually the site closed down and was clasified by ican as a spam 
site, it either got hacked or just went cold.


Its why we can crack bavisoft's stuff all we want.

Until they come forward, this time round audiogames.net existed and we 
actually did try our best.


Bar that and code factory which we had to write off basically no one has 
ever done this to the playerbase of that magnitude on that scale and I 
hope they never do so again.


It was one of the signifficant turns in our history, and created the 
unspoken rule that a release must be out on release date or have a good 
reason to not be and devs should communicate, its not always the case 
but its never been as bad.


Because of this though no one does preorders anymore till they are sure.

It did damage the community sadly but who knows.




On 31/12/2017 11:50 a.m., Charles Rivard wrote:
Actually, as I remember it, James North did keep us updated when 
delays cropped up.  Most of the delays dealt with bugs in the games, 
and I thought that the delays were justified.  As for the last batch 
of games after the company name change, I think that we should have 
gotten lur money back when he closed up shop out of anger. We had been 
waiting for 3 or 4 years. Thomas Ward took the games over from Josh de 
Lioncourt if I remember correctly.  I haven't heard from Josh in quite 
some time, and Thomas is, unfortunately, not with us lowly Earthlings 
anymore.






If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 2:59 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question



Have everyone forgotthe disaster which james north became?

Now james north was a nice guy that decided after esp softworks had sold
a lot of arcade games that he wanted a change and sold the company to
what eventually became draconis.

He should never had done that, up till then he was doing fine but wanted
more.

So he created some new games under his company, he set a preorder for
everything, and a few people payed for his stuff.

We waited and waited, and waited, the games past the release date.

We asked him and asked him off and on and wandered at it.

For 5 years the community waited, finaly those that had preordered
started to wander if they would ever get their games, some going as far
as to ask their banks for refunds.

Sure there were probably some whiners but probably far less than there
are now.

Between those times he never told us what was going on or what was
really going on.

Maybe someones or a group of them became totally bad and assholish at
him, but to the outsider player that was hanging on he suddenly decided
to flip for no reason, burn out and rage quit the scene.

Maybe something was going on, maybe people were nasty at him, but it had
to be more than that, no news, nothing for ages.

True a lot of devs do this but to be honest, from then on no one
releases stuff unless they are sure it will be out on that day.

Users especially those that preorder games want their games.

Thomas ward tried, he died!, no one will ever get their games now.

I don't know if I would really want to be james north and come back.

There are people that would really like to flame him out for those games
we have never even gotten.

He owes the community big.

He never informed us, I guess if he is more open and lets us know what
is going on, then maybe.

He lost all the trust though, I my self was never nasty with him, I
asked him once about stuff and he just flipped.

We are better without him now.

If he comes back, maybe we will be nice, maybe not.

There are at least 4-5 unreleased games and some of them have been
ordered by several players, with no refunds or anything.

Thats how I understand

Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Shaun Everiss]

James wasn't that bad, up to 2005 or so he ran old espsoftworks.

It was a nice game, company mostly with tabletop games, monkey business, 
pinball  classic, and dynaman were origionally his as well as shellshock 
and a few others.


Then he decided to branch out and make his own style of gaming someone 
adventurous.


He had several games planned max shrapnal, montisumers, raceway, and 
genisus project  some which had trailers etc.


But it never happened, life as it is caught up with him and chucked him 
a nice golf ball in the nuts and he couldn't do much for a bit.


Unfortunately so confident was he that he started a preorder for a lot 
of his games that were coming out.


People had payed for these games, and the release dates came up and nothing.

We had had games delayed for weeks and months so at first no one 
actually bothered about it.


In fact no one bothered about it for a while except to ask randomly 
about it on forum.


A year went past and people were optimistic.

Then another year went buy, people were concerned.

Where is this mr north.

Finally at the 3 year mark someone wrote to him and got no responce.

After that someone asked one of the mods of one of the lists, not sure 
if audiogames.net was about yet but no one got a responce.


4 years after, people started bailing out of the entire thing.

At the end of 5 years, everyone had had enough.

In the middle there was a lot of pushing and shoving I remember staying 
out of it for the most part but since I had never ordered anything, it 
wasn't my issue.


At some point phill of pcs was able to get a message through and tell us 
he was having issues and would come back when he could.


I do remember the community actually calmed down for a little but with 
no official responce, they started up again.


Finally I decided to simply ask him what was going on explaining that no 
one had heard him for a while.


He simply told me to go fork myself and blocked me basically flipped.

What a retard I thought.

It was only later we found out a few people had decided to wage their 
own private war with him over email, they had kept it mostly off our 
radar, people these days put the war in the open but at this current 
time they didn't.


Neither did he come out about this, we would I am sure have done 
something about those that were attacking him.


Then again rumor was that it didn't come from inside our current 
community which was smaller than it is now.


Thats the entire history about it.

No one knows what went on, why james stopped notifying us,  or how he 
could have forgotten those that he got cash from.


My theory has always been that something happened so dire that he simply 
couldn't come back.


The rumor mill is that he was a total ass hole that wanted to take our 
cash and run but I don't believe that, still don't.


The fact he was attacked was probably due to the stuff not being 
released from those that had payed for the stuff, the rest is unknown.


It could have been a bug and life, life, a bug, or anything.

No one knows what happened origionally, we did in the end bann a few 
trouble makers about 3 from insid e the community, but most of it was 
outside.


Those in his inner circle said he was hounded by people, ofcause they 
were ours.


Some of them were banned to.

In the end it was left a mystory.

If james comes back, and well follows things and is sure of himself this 
time then we can give him another chance.


The first thing he is going to have to do is pay those back their cash 
for all the games he promissed.


Rumors were that some of that was done I can not confirm it.




On 31/12/2017 7:43 a.m., Justin Jones wrote:

Okay, reality check: if a developer cannot handle the heat, he
shouldn't be a developer, or, at the very least, have someone else
handle his public relations.

I don't know anything about this James person you guys are on about,
but based on what I have heard, he sounded like a thin-skinned
narsicist that needed to get over himself. What, did he actually think
that the main stream gaming public would treat him better? Hate to
break the news, but main stream gamers are just as, if not more so,
toxic; just as demanding; just as unforgiving. If you want to develop
games, you had better be prepared to handle that reality and not cry
about it when the Internet takes a swing at you.

On 12/30/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes I agree also. And now everybody I checked my bank and I am good to go!
So guess what? I am off to buy a hero’s call and start playing, yay!


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ian McNamara
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:54
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Hi all,

I completely agree, it’s good to give feedback to developers but not be
nasty or slag them off. If your not satisfied with what your getting then
why not learn the skills and make a game you want?

Kind regards

Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Shaun Everiss]

I agree as well.

however in this case the guy took money, for something that never came.

I am not talking about breakerboxgames where while its a bit hit and 
miss its eventually happened, I mean never and some of these were preorders.


It was such a disaster it changed how the industry as a whole did things.

Eventually it would emerge that james life got in the way as life always 
does.


However no user got an official word from james at all, there were a lot 
of broken promises and unfinnished projects, I for one was wanting to 
get the genisus project, if james came back and tried again, heck I'd 
try again.


In reality, people had spent cash on this, they got no return and now 
won't for ever more.


Shame to those that bashed him, I agree with that and yes a couple did 
spoil it but they didn't drive him away, they and a few others may have 
pushed him all the way, but they didn't start the ball roling.


The community was more patient than it is now.

This disaster in fact is why a lot of us are bitchy whiner gits.

Trust in a dev is that they release things when they do and that its 
reasonably stable.


Stuff up, and well point is, our community was shaken, I know the new 
ones there are a lot of brats round but for those that existed in the 
good old days before the game engine, the small groups and the whiny 
brats that don't know anything, will know that.


We are after all talking betwene 96 and 2000 and 2000-2007, they were 
early days of the net.





On 31/12/2017 6:54 a.m., Ian McNamara wrote:

Hi all,

I completely agree, it’s good to give feedback to developers but not be nasty 
or slag them off. If your not satisfied with what your getting then why not 
learn the skills and make a game you want?

Kind regards.

Ian McNamara



On 30 Dec 2017, at 17:42, Jordan Gallacher <jordanandseptem...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yep so true.  It is also not right to talk about another product on a list
that is specificly for one product, which is what one person did, and he
caused a lot of headaches for a lot of people.
Jordan

-Original Message-
From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of
michael barnes
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:47 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

It is very sad when people are nasty with developers of games for the blind.
We have lost so many developers do to this reason.
It is cool to give ideas or suggestions, but not to be nasty with them.











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Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Lisa Hayes]

you're right Charles fault maybe on both sides, but it was some gamers who 
threw the first bomb not James.


-Original Message- 
From: Charles Rivard

Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 9:50 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Actually, as I remember it, James North did keep us updated when delays
cropped up.  Most of the delays dealt with bugs in the games, and I thought
that the delays were justified.  As for the last batch of games after the
company name change, I think that we should have gotten lur money back when
he closed up shop out of anger.  We had been waiting for 3 or 4 years.
Thomas Ward took the games over from Josh de Lioncourt if I remember
correctly.  I haven't heard from Josh in quite some time, and Thomas is,
unfortunately, not with us lowly Earthlings anymore.





If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message- 
From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 2:59 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question



Have everyone forgotthe disaster which james north became?

Now james north was a nice guy that decided after esp softworks had sold
a lot of arcade games that he wanted a change and sold the company to
what eventually became draconis.

He should never had done that, up till then he was doing fine but wanted
more.

So he created some new games under his company, he set a preorder for
everything, and a few people payed for his stuff.

We waited and waited, and waited, the games past the release date.

We asked him and asked him off and on and wandered at it.

For 5 years the community waited, finaly those that had preordered
started to wander if they would ever get their games, some going as far
as to ask their banks for refunds.

Sure there were probably some whiners but probably far less than there
are now.

Between those times he never told us what was going on or what was
really going on.

Maybe someones or a group of them became totally bad and assholish at
him, but to the outsider player that was hanging on he suddenly decided
to flip for no reason, burn out and rage quit the scene.

Maybe something was going on, maybe people were nasty at him, but it had
to be more than that, no news, nothing for ages.

True a lot of devs do this but to be honest, from then on no one
releases stuff unless they are sure it will be out on that day.

Users especially those that preorder games want their games.

Thomas ward tried, he died!, no one will ever get their games now.

I don't know if I would really want to be james north and come back.

There are people that would really like to flame him out for those games
we have never even gotten.

He owes the community big.

He never informed us, I guess if he is more open and lets us know what
is going on, then maybe.

He lost all the trust though, I my self was never nasty with him, I
asked him once about stuff and he just flipped.

We are better without him now.

If he comes back, maybe we will be nice, maybe not.

There are at least 4-5 unreleased games and some of them have been
ordered by several players, with no refunds or anything.

Thats how I understand that history.




On 31/12/2017 5:02 a.m., Charles Rivard wrote:
He made it very clear that he would not be producing games for impatient 
and nasty customers anymore.  If you have contact info for him, contact 
him to see if he would give it another try.  In short, though, lotsa luck. 
Some, but not all, blind and visually impaired gamers were far too 
hostile.



If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

From: Lisa Hayes
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:03 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

josh any idea how to do this? I'd love it.

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

If James North was driven away, then why don't we simply just get him to 
come back?



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On December 29, 2017 22:39:49 "Lisa Hayes" <lhay...@internode.on.net> 
wrote:


   Yes He was driven away and those involved have deprived us of a good 
game writer who would have continued to provide games like monkey business 
and the two pinball games.


   From: Michael
   Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:38 AM
   To: blind-gamers@groups.io
   Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

   I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven away 
from the blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly that’s 
pretty much what happened. ☹


   I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now. I’m 
puzzled why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle of a 
holiday week like this. Lol



   Michael


   Sent from Mail for Windows 10


   From: Lisa Hayes

Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[michael barnes]

It's like I said earlier.
There is no reason for anyone to be nasty with a developer.
One of the things that was said to me by a great late developer of 
accessible games was this.

People will keep on and there won't be anymore games for the blind.

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Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Charles Rivard]

Personally, if one developer burned me, I would not hold it against others.

Also, and this is not in reply to any one poster but to everyone, I don't 
feel that people who weren't around when all of this happened should comment 
without firsthand knowledge of what went on during the flying of the fur.





If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message- 
From: Paul Lemm

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 4:19 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Hi,

I wasn't actually around when this thing with James North happened, and 
though I don't think there is ever any reason for anyone to be nasty to 
someone else as there is always a constructive  way to go around things, . I 
do think however, that if a developer has taken pre-payment for something 
they are making a commitment  to deliver a product, I do however also 
understand that stuff happens and release dates can get pushed forward, but 
from Sean's email it sounds like the release date was 5 years overdue, and I 
think that is unacceptable  especially  if that developer has taken payment 
from people in advance  as that is a commitment from the developer between 
two people  to deliver a service or product. Even worse than this it sounds 
like the guy wasn't even keeping people updated on progress and was just 
plain ignoring his paying customers  , who just wanted the product they paid 
for. Again I don't condone people being nasty to Dev's, but I think if a 
game that has been pre-paid for is 5 years overdue with no updates on 
progress then I'm afraid  as a developer you need to understand that you 
will most definitely end up with very angry customers. I completely  agree 
with Justins point too, in that if the guy has gone off to program for the 
sighted community that they would be a lot less forgiving than people from 
the audio games community  as on the whole the biggest proportion of people 
from the audio games community would actually put up with a 5 year delay on 
a game and still support the guy too, as we're here for good audio game 
titles, whereas I'm sure there would be an uproar in the sighted community 
if a developer took money for a game and was 5 years late on delivering 
that game and with no updates .  even more so that the developer decided to 
then give up on the project, not release the game but still keep everyone's 
money, since I'm pretty sure that’s illegal, and is also detrimental to 
other audio game developers since it creates distrust between the end users 
and the developers.


Paul



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From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Shaun Everiss

Sent: 30 December 2017 21:00
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question



Have everyone forgotthe disaster which james north became?

Now james north was a nice guy that decided after esp softworks had sold a 
lot of arcade games that he wanted a change and sold the company to what 
eventually became draconis.


He should never had done that, up till then he was doing fine but wanted 
more.


So he created some new games under his company, he set a preorder for 
everything, and a few people payed for his stuff.


We waited and waited, and waited, the games past the release date.

We asked him and asked him off and on and wandered at it.

For 5 years the community waited, finaly those that had preordered started 
to wander if they would ever get their games, some going as far as to ask 
their banks for refunds.


Sure there were probably some whiners but probably far less than there are 
now.


Between those times he never told us what was going on or what was really 
going on.


Maybe someones or a group of them became totally bad and assholish at him, 
but to the outsider player that was hanging on he suddenly decided to flip 
for no reason, burn out and rage quit the scene.


Maybe something was going on, maybe people were nasty at him, but it had to 
be more than that, no news, nothing for ages.


True a lot of devs do this but to be honest, from then on no one releases 
stuff unless they are sure it will be out on that day.


Users especially those that preorder games want their games.

Thomas ward tried, he died!, no one will ever get their games now.

I don't know if I would really want to be james north and come back.

There are people that would really like to flame him out for those games we 
have never even gotten.


He owes the community big.

He never informed us, I guess if he is more open and lets us know what is 
going on, then maybe.


He lost all the trust though, I my self was never nasty with him, I asked 
him once about stuff and he just flipped.


We are better without him now.

If he comes back, maybe we will be nice, maybe not.

There are at least 4-5 unreleased games and some of them have been ordered 
by several players, with no refunds

Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Charles Rivard]

Reality check for Justin:  Seeing as you know nothing about what went on 
between James North and a lot of blind gamers, you should say nothing. 
While it is true that, as the saying goes, "If you can't stand the heat, get 
out of the kitchen", there was also absolutely no reason for these people to 
send him the eMails that they sent not only to this list, but to James 
personally.  He was not thin skinned.  He took an awful lot of totally 
unnecessary abuse, a lot of it personal rather than about his business, from 
childish and impatient whiners who did not realize that problems do come up 
during beta testing, and that he would not distribute a buggy product.  He 
announced an expected, not set in concrete, date of release, and then sent 
updates if that date was not going to be met.  In his updates, he gave the 
reason for the pushing back date of the game.  I saw some of these eMails, 
and would have thrown these adult children into a playpen to fight among 
themselves over a pacifier if I could have.  They went beyond nasty by far.





If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message- 
From: Justin Jones

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:43 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Okay, reality check: if a developer cannot handle the heat, he
shouldn't be a developer, or, at the very least, have someone else
handle his public relations.

I don't know anything about this James person you guys are on about,
but based on what I have heard, he sounded like a thin-skinned
narsicist that needed to get over himself. What, did he actually think
that the main stream gaming public would treat him better? Hate to
break the news, but main stream gamers are just as, if not more so,
toxic; just as demanding; just as unforgiving. If you want to develop
games, you had better be prepared to handle that reality and not cry
about it when the Internet takes a swing at you.

On 12/30/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes I agree also. And now everybody I checked my bank and I am good to go!
So guess what? I am off to buy a hero’s call and start playing, yay!


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From: Ian McNamara
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:54
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Hi all,

I completely agree, it’s good to give feedback to developers but not be
nasty or slag them off. If your not satisfied with what your getting then
why not learn the skills and make a game you want?

Kind regards.

Ian McNamara



On 30 Dec 2017, at 17:42, Jordan Gallacher <jordanandseptem...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Yep so true.  It is also not right to talk about another product on a
list
that is specificly for one product, which is what one person did, and he
caused a lot of headaches for a lot of people.
Jordan

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From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of
michael barnes
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:47 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

It is very sad when people are nasty with developers of games for the
blind.
We have lost so many developers do to this reason.
It is cool to give ideas or suggestions, but not to be nasty with them.

















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atreides...@gmail.com
(254) 624-9155
701 Ewing St. #509-C, Ft. Wayne IN, 46802




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Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Charles Rivard]

Actually, as I remember it, James North did keep us updated when delays 
cropped up.  Most of the delays dealt with bugs in the games, and I thought 
that the delays were justified.  As for the last batch of games after the 
company name change, I think that we should have gotten lur money back when 
he closed up shop out of anger.  We had been waiting for 3 or 4 years. 
Thomas Ward took the games over from Josh de Lioncourt if I remember 
correctly.  I haven't heard from Josh in quite some time, and Thomas is, 
unfortunately, not with us lowly Earthlings anymore.






If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message- 
From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 2:59 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question



Have everyone forgotthe disaster which james north became?

Now james north was a nice guy that decided after esp softworks had sold
a lot of arcade games that he wanted a change and sold the company to
what eventually became draconis.

He should never had done that, up till then he was doing fine but wanted
more.

So he created some new games under his company, he set a preorder for
everything, and a few people payed for his stuff.

We waited and waited, and waited, the games past the release date.

We asked him and asked him off and on and wandered at it.

For 5 years the community waited, finaly those that had preordered
started to wander if they would ever get their games, some going as far
as to ask their banks for refunds.

Sure there were probably some whiners but probably far less than there
are now.

Between those times he never told us what was going on or what was
really going on.

Maybe someones or a group of them became totally bad and assholish at
him, but to the outsider player that was hanging on he suddenly decided
to flip for no reason, burn out and rage quit the scene.

Maybe something was going on, maybe people were nasty at him, but it had
to be more than that, no news, nothing for ages.

True a lot of devs do this but to be honest, from then on no one
releases stuff unless they are sure it will be out on that day.

Users especially those that preorder games want their games.

Thomas ward tried, he died!, no one will ever get their games now.

I don't know if I would really want to be james north and come back.

There are people that would really like to flame him out for those games
we have never even gotten.

He owes the community big.

He never informed us, I guess if he is more open and lets us know what
is going on, then maybe.

He lost all the trust though, I my self was never nasty with him, I
asked him once about stuff and he just flipped.

We are better without him now.

If he comes back, maybe we will be nice, maybe not.

There are at least 4-5 unreleased games and some of them have been
ordered by several players, with no refunds or anything.

Thats how I understand that history.




On 31/12/2017 5:02 a.m., Charles Rivard wrote:
He made it very clear that he would not be producing games for impatient 
and nasty customers anymore.  If you have contact info for him, contact 
him to see if he would give it another try.  In short, though, lotsa luck. 
Some, but not all, blind and visually impaired gamers were far too 
hostile.



If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

From: Lisa Hayes
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:03 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

josh any idea how to do this? I'd love it.

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

If James North was driven away, then why don't we simply just get him to 
come back?



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On December 29, 2017 22:39:49 "Lisa Hayes" <lhay...@internode.on.net> 
wrote:


   Yes He was driven away and those involved have deprived us of a good 
game writer who would have continued to provide games like monkey business 
and the two pinball games.


   From: Michael
   Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:38 AM
   To: blind-gamers@groups.io
   Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

   I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven away 
from the blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly that’s 
pretty much what happened. ☹


   I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now. I’m 
puzzled why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle of a 
holiday week like this. Lol



   Michael


   Sent from Mail for Windows 10


   From: Lisa Hayes
   Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:31 PM
   To: blind-gamers@groups.io
   Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question


   Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James 
did that can be played and never loose their interest value.



   From: Charles Rivard

 

Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Paul Lemm]

Hi,

I wasn't actually around when this thing with James North happened, and though 
I don't think there is ever any reason for anyone to be nasty to someone else 
as there is always a constructive  way to go around things, . I do think 
however, that if a developer has taken pre-payment for something they are 
making a commitment  to deliver a product, I do however also understand that 
stuff happens and release dates can get pushed forward, but from Sean's email 
it sounds like the release date was 5 years overdue, and I think that is 
unacceptable  especially  if that developer has taken payment from people in 
advance  as that is a commitment from the developer between two people  to 
deliver a service or product. Even worse than this it sounds like the guy 
wasn't even keeping people updated on progress and was just plain ignoring his 
paying customers  , who just wanted the product they paid for. Again I don't 
condone people being nasty to Dev's, but I think if a game that has been 
pre-paid for is 5 years overdue with no updates on progress then I'm afraid  as 
a developer you need to understand that you will most definitely end up with 
very angry customers. I completely  agree with Justins point too, in that if 
the guy has gone off to program for the sighted community that they would be a 
lot less forgiving than people from the audio games community  as on the whole 
the biggest proportion of people from the audio games community would actually 
put up with a 5 year delay on a game and still support the guy too, as we're 
here for good audio game titles, whereas I'm sure there would be an uproar in 
the sighted community if a developer took money for a game and was 5 years late 
on delivering  that game and with no updates .  even more so that the developer 
decided to then give up on the project, not release the game but still keep 
everyone's money, since I'm pretty sure that’s illegal, and is also detrimental 
to other audio game developers since it creates distrust between the end users 
and the developers.

Paul 



-Original Message-
From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun 
Everiss
Sent: 30 December 2017 21:00
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question



Have everyone forgotthe disaster which james north became?

Now james north was a nice guy that decided after esp softworks had sold a lot 
of arcade games that he wanted a change and sold the company to what eventually 
became draconis.

He should never had done that, up till then he was doing fine but wanted more.

So he created some new games under his company, he set a preorder for 
everything, and a few people payed for his stuff.

We waited and waited, and waited, the games past the release date.

We asked him and asked him off and on and wandered at it.

For 5 years the community waited, finaly those that had preordered started to 
wander if they would ever get their games, some going as far as to ask their 
banks for refunds.

Sure there were probably some whiners but probably far less than there are now.

Between those times he never told us what was going on or what was really going 
on.

Maybe someones or a group of them became totally bad and assholish at him, but 
to the outsider player that was hanging on he suddenly decided to flip for no 
reason, burn out and rage quit the scene.

Maybe something was going on, maybe people were nasty at him, but it had to be 
more than that, no news, nothing for ages.

True a lot of devs do this but to be honest, from then on no one releases stuff 
unless they are sure it will be out on that day.

Users especially those that preorder games want their games.

Thomas ward tried, he died!, no one will ever get their games now.

I don't know if I would really want to be james north and come back.

There are people that would really like to flame him out for those games we 
have never even gotten.

He owes the community big.

He never informed us, I guess if he is more open and lets us know what is going 
on, then maybe.

He lost all the trust though, I my self was never nasty with him, I asked him 
once about stuff and he just flipped.

We are better without him now.

If he comes back, maybe we will be nice, maybe not.

There are at least 4-5 unreleased games and some of them have been ordered by 
several players, with no refunds or anything.

Thats how I understand that history.




On 31/12/2017 5:02 a.m., Charles Rivard wrote:
> He made it very clear that he would not be producing games for impatient and 
> nasty customers anymore.  If you have contact info for him, contact him to 
> see if he would give it another try.  In short, though, lotsa luck.  Some, 
> but not all, blind and visually impaired gamers were far too hostile.
>
>
> If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
>
> From: Lisa Hayes
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:03 A

Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Shaun Everiss]

Have everyone forgotthe disaster which james north became?

Now james north was a nice guy that decided after esp softworks had sold 
a lot of arcade games that he wanted a change and sold the company to 
what eventually became draconis.


He should never had done that, up till then he was doing fine but wanted 
more.


So he created some new games under his company, he set a preorder for 
everything, and a few people payed for his stuff.


We waited and waited, and waited, the games past the release date.

We asked him and asked him off and on and wandered at it.

For 5 years the community waited, finaly those that had preordered 
started to wander if they would ever get their games, some going as far 
as to ask their banks for refunds.


Sure there were probably some whiners but probably far less than there 
are now.


Between those times he never told us what was going on or what was 
really going on.


Maybe someones or a group of them became totally bad and assholish at 
him, but to the outsider player that was hanging on he suddenly decided 
to flip for no reason, burn out and rage quit the scene.


Maybe something was going on, maybe people were nasty at him, but it had 
to be more than that, no news, nothing for ages.


True a lot of devs do this but to be honest, from then on no one 
releases stuff unless they are sure it will be out on that day.


Users especially those that preorder games want their games.

Thomas ward tried, he died!, no one will ever get their games now.

I don't know if I would really want to be james north and come back.

There are people that would really like to flame him out for those games 
we have never even gotten.


He owes the community big.

He never informed us, I guess if he is more open and lets us know what 
is going on, then maybe.


He lost all the trust though, I my self was never nasty with him, I 
asked him once about stuff and he just flipped.


We are better without him now.

If he comes back, maybe we will be nice, maybe not.

There are at least 4-5 unreleased games and some of them have been 
ordered by several players, with no refunds or anything.


Thats how I understand that history.




On 31/12/2017 5:02 a.m., Charles Rivard wrote:

He made it very clear that he would not be producing games for impatient and 
nasty customers anymore.  If you have contact info for him, contact him to see 
if he would give it another try.  In short, though, lotsa luck.  Some, but not 
all, blind and visually impaired gamers were far too hostile.


If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

From: Lisa Hayes
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:03 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

josh any idea how to do this? I'd love it.

From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

If James North was driven away, then why don't we simply just get him to come 
back?


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On December 29, 2017 22:39:49 "Lisa Hayes" <lhay...@internode.on.net> wrote:

   Yes He was driven away and those involved have deprived us of a good game 
writer who would have continued to provide games like monkey business and the 
two pinball games.

   From: Michael
   Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:38 AM
   To: blind-gamers@groups.io
   Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

   I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven away from 
the blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly that’s pretty much 
what happened. ☹

   I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now. I’m 
puzzled why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle of a holiday 
week like this. Lol

   


   Michael




   Sent from Mail for Windows 10




   From: Lisa Hayes
   Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:31 PM
   To: blind-gamers@groups.io
   Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question




   Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James did 
that can be played and never loose their interest value.




   From: Charles Rivard

   Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:43 AM

   To: blind-gamers@groups.io

   Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question




   I would not gripe, if at all, until the day after an expected release.  
However, I won’t complain about this one even tomorrow, as we are in a busy 
Holiday season, and even developers have home lives.  How many good developers 
of good games have we lost due to customer impatience?  As an example, I do 
wish that James North were still working on games for blind gamers.  When they 
came out, they were of high quality and they were unique.





   If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!




   From: Jesse Bollinger

   Sent: Friday, December 

Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Ian McNamara]

Hi all,

I completely agree, it’s good to give feedback to developers but not be nasty 
or slag them off. If your not satisfied with what your getting then why not 
learn the skills and make a game you want? 

Kind regards. 

Ian McNamara


> On 30 Dec 2017, at 17:42, Jordan Gallacher <jordanandseptem...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yep so true.  It is also not right to talk about another product on a list
> that is specificly for one product, which is what one person did, and he
> caused a lot of headaches for a lot of people.
> Jordan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of
> michael barnes
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:47 AM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io
> Subject: Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question
> 
> It is very sad when people are nasty with developers of games for the blind.
> We have lost so many developers do to this reason.
> It is cool to give ideas or suggestions, but not to be nasty with them.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Josh Kennedy]

No idea. I do not even know his email.


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From: Lisa Hayes
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 04:03
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

josh any idea how to do this? I'd love it.  
 
From: Josh Kennedy 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question
 
If James North was driven away, then why don't we simply just get him to come 
back? 
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On December 29, 2017 22:39:49 "Lisa Hayes" <lhay...@internode.on.net> wrote:
Yes He was driven away and those involved have deprived us of a good game 
writer who would have continued to provide games like monkey business and the 
two pinball games.  
 
From: Michael 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:38 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question
 
I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven away from the 
blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly that’s pretty much what 
happened. ☹
I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now. I’m puzzled 
why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle of a holiday week 
like this. Lol 
    
Michael
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Lisa Hayes
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:31 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question
 
Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James did that 
can be played and never loose their interest value. 
 
From: Charles Rivard 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:43 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
 
I would not gripe, if at all, until the day after an expected release.  
However, I won’t complain about this one even tomorrow, as we are in a busy 
Holiday season, and even developers have home lives.  How many good developers 
of good games have we lost due to customer impatience?  As an example, I do 
wish that James North were still working on games for blind gamers.  When they 
came out, they were of high quality and they were unique.
 

If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
 
From: Jesse Bollinger 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:19 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
 
I think the problem is most people expect the games to be released like in the 
cited world. Where you hit midnight and the game is ready to go. This isn’t the 
right outlook to have, however I feel like that is what most expect. I think 
most people think when you give a date that means everything is good to go and 
will be released promptly at midnight. No one has patients.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:09 PM, kev lyon <lord.l...@sky.com> wrote:
because people never ever! learn! the gaming community for the blind has lost 
so many developers over the years because people can't shut up and just let the 
developers get on with what they do!
as soon as a date is mentioned, the vast majority engrave it in stone! and then 
start wingeing when the game isn't availabel at 1 minute past midnight on that 
date!
*goes back to playing alter eon and will play this new game when it arrives*

From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: 29 December 2017 19:02
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
Why are people so dad blamed impatient?
 

If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
 
From: Bryan Peterson 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:12 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
 
We’re just going to have to be patient. Joseph did say it would be somewhat 
later in the day, though he wasn’t specific about exactly when. He wants the 
entire development team to be able to be present so it’ll depend on when 
that’ll happen.
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:06 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
 
Hello all,
Has anyone heard when this will be out today? I supported the kickstarter but I 
still have not heard anything about downloading the game today.
 
Regards,
Greg Wocher
 
 
 

Re: James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[michael barnes]

It is very sad when people are nasty with developers of games for the blind.
We have lost so many developers do to this reason.
It is cool to give ideas or suggestions, but not to be nasty with them.

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James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Charles Rivard]

If you know how, feel free.


If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

From: Josh Kennedy 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:01 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

If James North was driven away, then why don't we simply just get him to come 
back? 


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On December 29, 2017 22:39:49 "Lisa Hayes" <lhay...@internode.on.net> wrote:

  Yes He was driven away and those involved have deprived us of a good game 
writer who would have continued to provide games like monkey business and the 
two pinball games.

  From: Michael 
  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:38 AM
  To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

  I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven away from the 
blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly that’s pretty much what 
happened. ☹

  I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now. I’m 
puzzled why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle of a holiday 
week like this. Lol 



  Michael

   

  Sent from Mail for Windows 10

   

  From: Lisa Hayes
  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:31 PM
  To: blind-gamers@groups.io
  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

   

  Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James did that 
can be played and never loose their interest value. 

   

  From: Charles Rivard 

  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:43 AM

  To: blind-gamers@groups.io 

  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

   

  I would not gripe, if at all, until the day after an expected release.  
However, I won’t complain about this one even tomorrow, as we are in a busy 
Holiday season, and even developers have home lives.  How many good developers 
of good games have we lost due to customer impatience?  As an example, I do 
wish that James North were still working on games for blind gamers.  When they 
came out, they were of high quality and they were unique.

   


  If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

   

  From: Jesse Bollinger 

  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:19 PM

  To: blind-gamers@groups.io 

  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

   

  I think the problem is most people expect the games to be released like in 
the cited world. Where you hit midnight and the game is ready to go. This isn’t 
the right outlook to have, however I feel like that is what most expect. I 
think most people think when you give a date that means everything is good to 
go and will be released promptly at midnight. No one has patients.

  Sent from my iPhone


  On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:09 PM, kev lyon <lord.l...@sky.com> wrote:

because people never ever! learn! the gaming community for the blind has 
lost so many developers over the years because people can't shut up and just 
let the developers get on with what they do!

as soon as a date is mentioned, the vast majority engrave it in stone! and 
then start wingeing when the game isn't availabel at 1 minute past midnight on 
that date!

*goes back to playing alter eon and will play this new game when it arrives*



From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: 29 December 2017 19:02
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

Why are people so dad blamed impatient?

 


If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

 

From: Bryan Peterson 

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:12 PM

To: blind-gamers@groups.io 

Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

 

We’re just going to have to be patient. Joseph did say it would be somewhat 
later in the day, though he wasn’t specific about exactly when. He wants the 
entire development team to be able to be present so it’ll depend on when 
that’ll happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:06 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

 

Hello all,

Has anyone heard when this will be out today? I supported the kickstarter 
but I still have not heard anything about downloading the game today.

 

Regards,

Greg Wocher

 

 


   

James North - Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Charles Rivard]

He made it very clear that he would not be producing games for impatient and 
nasty customers anymore.  If you have contact info for him, contact him to see 
if he would give it another try.  In short, though, lotsa luck.  Some, but not 
all, blind and visually impaired gamers were far too hostile.


If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

From: Lisa Hayes 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:03 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

josh any idea how to do this? I'd love it.

From: Josh Kennedy 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

If James North was driven away, then why don't we simply just get him to come 
back? 


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On December 29, 2017 22:39:49 "Lisa Hayes" <lhay...@internode.on.net> wrote:

  Yes He was driven away and those involved have deprived us of a good game 
writer who would have continued to provide games like monkey business and the 
two pinball games.

  From: Michael 
  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:38 AM
  To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

  I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven away from the 
blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly that’s pretty much what 
happened. ☹

  I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now. I’m 
puzzled why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle of a holiday 
week like this. Lol 



  Michael

   

  Sent from Mail for Windows 10

   

  From: Lisa Hayes
  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:31 PM
  To: blind-gamers@groups.io
  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

   

  Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James did that 
can be played and never loose their interest value. 

   

  From: Charles Rivard 

  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:43 AM

  To: blind-gamers@groups.io 

  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

   

  I would not gripe, if at all, until the day after an expected release.  
However, I won’t complain about this one even tomorrow, as we are in a busy 
Holiday season, and even developers have home lives.  How many good developers 
of good games have we lost due to customer impatience?  As an example, I do 
wish that James North were still working on games for blind gamers.  When they 
came out, they were of high quality and they were unique.

   


  If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

   

  From: Jesse Bollinger 

  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:19 PM

  To: blind-gamers@groups.io 

  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

   

  I think the problem is most people expect the games to be released like in 
the cited world. Where you hit midnight and the game is ready to go. This isn’t 
the right outlook to have, however I feel like that is what most expect. I 
think most people think when you give a date that means everything is good to 
go and will be released promptly at midnight. No one has patients.

  Sent from my iPhone


  On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:09 PM, kev lyon <lord.l...@sky.com> wrote:

because people never ever! learn! the gaming community for the blind has 
lost so many developers over the years because people can't shut up and just 
let the developers get on with what they do!

as soon as a date is mentioned, the vast majority engrave it in stone! and 
then start wingeing when the game isn't availabel at 1 minute past midnight on 
that date!

*goes back to playing alter eon and will play this new game when it arrives*



From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: 29 December 2017 19:02
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

Why are people so dad blamed impatient?

 


If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

 

From: Bryan Peterson 

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:12 PM

To: blind-gamers@groups.io 

Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

 

We’re just going to have to be patient. Joseph did say it would be somewhat 
later in the day, though he wasn’t specific about exactly when. He wants the 
entire development team to be able to be present so it’ll depend on when 
that’ll happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:06 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

 

Hello all,

Has anyone heard when this will be out today? I supported the kickstarter 
but I still have not heard anything about downloading the game today.

 

Regards,

Greg Wocher

 

 


   

Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Lisa Hayes]

josh any idea how to do this? I'd love it.

From: Josh Kennedy 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:01 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

If James North was driven away, then why don't we simply just get him to come 
back? 


Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On December 29, 2017 22:39:49 "Lisa Hayes" <lhay...@internode.on.net> wrote:

  Yes He was driven away and those involved have deprived us of a good game 
writer who would have continued to provide games like monkey business and the 
two pinball games.

  From: Michael 
  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:38 AM
  To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

  I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven away from the 
blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly that’s pretty much what 
happened. ☹

  I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now. I’m 
puzzled why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle of a holiday 
week like this. Lol 



  Michael

   

  Sent from Mail for Windows 10

   

  From: Lisa Hayes
  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:31 PM
  To: blind-gamers@groups.io
  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

   

  Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James did that 
can be played and never loose their interest value. 

   

  From: Charles Rivard 

  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:43 AM

  To: blind-gamers@groups.io 

  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

   

  I would not gripe, if at all, until the day after an expected release.  
However, I won’t complain about this one even tomorrow, as we are in a busy 
Holiday season, and even developers have home lives.  How many good developers 
of good games have we lost due to customer impatience?  As an example, I do 
wish that James North were still working on games for blind gamers.  When they 
came out, they were of high quality and they were unique.

   


  If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

   

  From: Jesse Bollinger 

  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:19 PM

  To: blind-gamers@groups.io 

  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

   

  I think the problem is most people expect the games to be released like in 
the cited world. Where you hit midnight and the game is ready to go. This isn’t 
the right outlook to have, however I feel like that is what most expect. I 
think most people think when you give a date that means everything is good to 
go and will be released promptly at midnight. No one has patients.

  Sent from my iPhone


  On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:09 PM, kev lyon <lord.l...@sky.com> wrote:

because people never ever! learn! the gaming community for the blind has 
lost so many developers over the years because people can't shut up and just 
let the developers get on with what they do!

as soon as a date is mentioned, the vast majority engrave it in stone! and 
then start wingeing when the game isn't availabel at 1 minute past midnight on 
that date!

*goes back to playing alter eon and will play this new game when it arrives*



From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: 29 December 2017 19:02
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

Why are people so dad blamed impatient?

 


If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

 

From: Bryan Peterson 

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:12 PM

To: blind-gamers@groups.io 

Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

 

We’re just going to have to be patient. Joseph did say it would be somewhat 
later in the day, though he wasn’t specific about exactly when. He wants the 
entire development team to be able to be present so it’ll depend on when 
that’ll happen.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:06 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

 

Hello all,

Has anyone heard when this will be out today? I supported the kickstarter 
but I still have not heard anything about downloading the game today.

 

Regards,

Greg Wocher

 

 


   

Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Josh Kennedy]

If James North was driven away, then why don't we simply just get him to 
come back?



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On December 29, 2017 22:39:49 "Lisa Hayes" <lhay...@internode.on.net> wrote:

Yes He was driven away and those involved have deprived us of a good game 
writer who would have continued to provide games like monkey business and 
the two pinball games.


From: Michael
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:38 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven away from 
the blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly that’s pretty 
much what happened. ☹


I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now. I’m 
puzzled why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle of a 
holiday week like this. Lol




Michael



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Lisa Hayes
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:31 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question



Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James did 
that can be played and never loose their interest value.




From: Charles Rivard

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:43 AM

To: blind-gamers@groups.io

Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question



I would not gripe, if at all, until the day after an expected release.  
However, I won’t complain about this one even tomorrow, as we are in a busy 
Holiday season, and even developers have home lives.  How many good 
developers of good games have we lost due to customer impatience?  As an 
example, I do wish that James North were still working on games for blind 
gamers.  When they came out, they were of high quality and they were unique.





If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!



From: Jesse Bollinger

Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:19 PM

To: blind-gamers@groups.io

Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question



I think the problem is most people expect the games to be released like in 
the cited world. Where you hit midnight and the game is ready to go. This 
isn’t the right outlook to have, however I feel like that is what most 
expect. I think most people think when you give a date that means 
everything is good to go and will be released promptly at midnight. No one 
has patients.


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:09 PM, kev lyon <lord.l...@sky.com> wrote:

  because people never ever! learn! the gaming community for the blind has 
  lost so many developers over the years because people can't shut up and 
  just let the developers get on with what they do!


  as soon as a date is mentioned, the vast majority engrave it in stone! and 
  then start wingeing when the game isn't availabel at 1 minute past midnight 
  on that date!


  *goes back to playing alter eon and will play this new game when it arrives*



  From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
  Charles Rivard

  Sent: 29 December 2017 19:02
  To: blind-gamers@groups.io
  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

  Why are people so dad blamed impatient?




  If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!



  From: Bryan Peterson

  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:12 PM

  To: blind-gamers@groups.io

  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question



  We’re just going to have to be patient. Joseph did say it would be somewhat 
  later in the day, though he wasn’t specific about exactly when. He wants 
  the entire development team to be able to be present so it’ll depend on 
  when that’ll happen.




  Sent from Mail for Windows 10



  From: Greg Wocher
  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: blind-gamers@groups.io
  Subject: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question



  Hello all,

  Has anyone heard when this will be out today? I supported the kickstarter 
  but I still have not heard anything about downloading the game today.




  Regards,

  Greg Wocher

Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Michael]

I couldn’t agree more, that I wish James North was never driven away from the 
blind gamer community. Though that sounds harsh, sadly that’s pretty much what 
happened. ☹
I’ve paid my bit for a hero’s call, and I’m waiting for a link now. I’m puzzled 
why this release was chozen to happen right in the middle of a holiday week 
like this. Lol 

Michael

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lisa Hayes
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:31 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James did that 
can be played and never loose their interest value. 
 
From: Charles Rivard 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:43 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
 
I would not gripe, if at all, until the day after an expected release.  
However, I won’t complain about this one even tomorrow, as we are in a busy 
Holiday season, and even developers have home lives.  How many good developers 
of good games have we lost due to customer impatience?  As an example, I do 
wish that James North were still working on games for blind gamers.  When they 
came out, they were of high quality and they were unique.
 

If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
 
From: Jesse Bollinger 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:19 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
 
I think the problem is most people expect the games to be released like in the 
cited world. Where you hit midnight and the game is ready to go. This isn’t the 
right outlook to have, however I feel like that is what most expect. I think 
most people think when you give a date that means everything is good to go and 
will be released promptly at midnight. No one has patients.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:09 PM, kev lyon <lord.l...@sky.com> wrote:
because people never ever! learn! the gaming community for the blind has lost 
so many developers over the years because people can't shut up and just let the 
developers get on with what they do!
as soon as a date is mentioned, the vast majority engrave it in stone! and then 
start wingeing when the game isn't availabel at 1 minute past midnight on that 
date!
*goes back to playing alter eon and will play this new game when it arrives*

From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: 29 December 2017 19:02
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
Why are people so dad blamed impatient?
 

If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
 
From: Bryan Peterson 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:12 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
 
We’re just going to have to be patient. Joseph did say it would be somewhat 
later in the day, though he wasn’t specific about exactly when. He wants the 
entire development team to be able to be present so it’ll depend on when 
that’ll happen.
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:06 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question
 
Hello all,
Has anyone heard when this will be out today? I supported the kickstarter but I 
still have not heard anything about downloading the game today.
 
Regards,
Greg Wocher
 
 

Re: [blind-gamers] A Hero's Call question

[Lisa Hayes]

Charles i agree with you here, we have pinball and others that James did that 
can be played and never loose their interest value. 

From: Charles Rivard 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:43 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

I would not gripe, if at all, until the day after an expected release.  
However, I won’t complain about this one even tomorrow, as we are in a busy 
Holiday season, and even developers have home lives.  How many good developers 
of good games have we lost due to customer impatience?  As an example, I do 
wish that James North were still working on games for blind gamers.  When they 
came out, they were of high quality and they were unique.


If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

From: Jesse Bollinger 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 3:19 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

I think the problem is most people expect the games to be released like in the 
cited world. Where you hit midnight and the game is ready to go. This isn’t the 
right outlook to have, however I feel like that is what most expect. I think 
most people think when you give a date that means everything is good to go and 
will be released promptly at midnight. No one has patients.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:09 PM, kev lyon  wrote:


  because people never ever! learn! the gaming community for the blind has lost 
so many developers over the years because people can't shut up and just let the 
developers get on with what they do!

  as soon as a date is mentioned, the vast majority engrave it in stone! and 
then start wingeing when the game isn't availabel at 1 minute past midnight on 
that date!


  *goes back to playing alter eon and will play this new game when it arrives*



--

  From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
  Sent: 29 December 2017 19:02
  To: blind-gamers@groups.io
  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question


  Why are people so dad blamed impatient?

   


  If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!

   

  From: Bryan Peterson 

  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 12:12 PM

  To: blind-gamers@groups.io 

  Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

   

  We’re just going to have to be patient. Joseph did say it would be somewhat 
later in the day, though he wasn’t specific about exactly when. He wants the 
entire development team to be able to be present so it’ll depend on when 
that’ll happen.

   

  Sent from Mail for Windows 10

   

  From: Greg Wocher
  Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: blind-gamers@groups.io
  Subject: [blind-gamers] A Heros Call question

   

  Hello all,

  Has anyone heard when this will be out today? I supported the kickstarter but 
I still have not heard anything about downloading the game today.

   

  Regards,

  Greg Wocher