Re: Hello (hello, hello)
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Hello (hello, hello) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:45:20 -0600 With your face to the wind you're beginning to think of a new life, And you pull tight your cloak 'round your throat and the wind seems to sing, Though we're both on the run from a place in the sun and it's raining, And there's strangers and dangers and darkness we're still going to win. So don't you cry, don't you fear, wipe away each lonely tear. If I were king of morning and you were queen of day, We'd love all summer long together, love would find a way. If I were king of evening and you were queen of night, We'd pass the time in pleasure, we'd love until the morning light. If I were king of pleasure and you were queen of pain you would love me. As the rain starts to fall, I recall how it was in the good times, When the sun seemed to shine and the wine was a gift from above, But I know that the day's on the way and it's bringing the sunshine, So sing me a song, make it long, make it all about love. So don't you cry, don't you fear, wipe away each lonely tear. If I were king of morning and you were queen of day, We'd love all summer long together, love would find a way. If I were king of evening and you were queen of night, We'd pass the time in pleasure, we'd love until the morning light. If I were king of pleasure and you were queen of pain you would love me. Love me, love me, love me, love me, say you do Let me fly away with you For my love is like the wind And wild is the wind Wild is the wind Give me more than one caress Satisfy this hungriness Let the wind blow through your heart For wild is the wind Wild is the wind You touch me I hear the sound of mandolins You kiss me With your kiss my life begins You're spring to me, all things to me Don't you know, you're life itself Like the leaf clings to the tree Oh my darling, cling to me For we're like creatures of the wind... -Twavis _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: And now, for something completely different...
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: And now, for something completely different... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:33:37 -0800 ... and it's NOT a man with three buttocks. What would you call such a thing anyway? An asss? -Twavis _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Slobodan Milosevic shuffles off the mortal coil
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/03/11/milosevic060311.html Milosevic found dead in cell Last Updated Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:34:50 EST CBC News Former Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic has been found dead in his cell at the United Nations war crimes tribunal at The Hague. An official in the chief prosecutor's office said Milosevic was found lifeless on his bed around 10 a.m. on Saturday. He apparently had been dead for several hours, the official said. The tribunal did not say how Milosevic, 64, had died. French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told reporters Milosevic had died of natural causes. An autopsy is planned, along with an inquiry into the death. Since February 2002, Milosevic had been on trial for war crimes on charges of genocide and crimes against humanity during the violent breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s. He suffered a heart condition and high blood pressure, which had repeatedly interrupted his trial. The hearings were entering the final phase, with arguments expected to wrap up within a few months. Milosevic led Serbia, the dominant Yugoslav republic, into four Balkan wars, including the 1992-95 Bosnia war, in which 200,000 people died. *** ^ Something completely different. -Twavis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: And now, for something completely different...
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: RE: And now, for something completely different... Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:44:38 -0600 At 12:13 PM Saturday 3/11/2006, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: And now, for something completely different... Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:33:37 -0800 ... and it's NOT a man with three buttocks. What would you call such a thing anyway? An asss? I expect it would make an unusual sound when he farts . . . A distinct possibility. -Twavis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello (hello, hello)
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Hello (hello, hello) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:32:14 -0800 Where the touch of the lover ends And the soul of the friend begins Thereâs a need to be separate and a need to be one And a struggle neither wins Where you gave me the world I was in And a place I could make a stand I could never see how you doubted me When Iâd let go of your hand Yeah, and I was much younger then And I must have thought that I would know If things were going to end And the heavens were rolling Like a wheel on a track And our sky was unfolding And itâll never fold back Sky blue and black Look away from the sea I can take you anywhere Spend a vision with me A chase with the wind Move closer to me I can make you anyone I think youre ready to see The gates to babylon The power of what has been before Rises to trap you within A magic carpet ride, a genie maybe more A city of heavenly sin Sleep with the devil and then you must pay Sleep with the devil, the devil will take you away Oh, gates of babylon You can see but youre blind Someone turned the sun around But you can see in your mind The gates of babylon Youre riding the endless caravan Bonded and sold as a slave A saber dance removing all the veils Getting as good as you gave Sleep with the devil and then you must pay Sleep with the devil, the devil will take you away... -Twavis _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello (hello, hello)
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Hello (hello, hello) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 04:53:47 -0600 Well, I was talking to a mirror image of what supposedly was to be me; and the eyes and the nose and the insignificant clothes supported the testimony. He said, You're doing fine, you know. You've got an okay mind, you know. And I would hate to see you throw it away. You'd better hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I was telling him I was a bit fatigued about my life, both present and past; and when I recalled my thoughts of ending it all with an overdose of gas, He said, You're doing fine, you know. You've got an okay mind, you know. And I would hate to see you throw it away. You'd better hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on Hold on Hold on From early days of infancy, through trembling years of youth, long murky middle-age and final hours long in the tooth, he is the hundred names of terror, creature you love the least, picture his name before you, and exorcise the beast. He roved up and down through history, spectre with tales to tell, in the darkness when the campfire's dead to each his private hell. If you look behind your shoulder as you feel his eyes to feast, you can witness now the everchanging nature of the beast. Beastie! If you wear a warmer sporran you can keep the foe at bay, you can pop those pills and visit some psychiatrist who'll say, there's nothing I can do for you, everywhere's a danger zone, I'd love to help get rid of it, but I've got one of my own. Beastie! There's a beast upon my shoulder, and a fiend upon my back. Feel his burning breath a heaving, smoke oozing from his stack. And he moves beneath the covers, or he lies below the bed. He's the beast upon your shoulder. He's the price upon your head. He's the lonely fear of dying, and for some, of living too, he's your private nightmare pricking, he'd just love to turn the screw. So stand as one defiant yes, and let your voices swell, stare that beastie in the face and really give him hell. Beastie! There's a beast upon my shoulder, and a fiend upon my back. Feel his burning breath a heaving, smoke oozing from his stack. And he moves beneath the covers, or he lies below the bed. He's the beast upon your shoulder. He's the price upon your head. Look out! -Twavis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Hello (hello, hello)
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Hello (hello, hello) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:25:24 -0600 Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Hello (hello, hello) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 13:33:58 -0800 Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me. Is there anyone home? Come on, now. I hear youâre feeling down. Well I can ease your pain, Get you on your feet again. Don't be lonely, there's no need. Just knock and we'll breathe the days in and out, away. Have you heard the news? There's good rockin' tonight. I said have you heard the news? There's good rockin' tonight. I'm gonna squeeze you baby just as tight as I can Tonight you're gonna know I'm a mighty, mighty man. Have you heard the news? There's good rockin' tonight. I'm gonna meet you in the alley out behind the barn Don't be afraid, I'll do you no harm. Bring along your tap dancin' shoes, Tonight I'm gonna rock away all your blues. Have you heard the news? There's good rockin' tonight. Let down your hair, let's have some fun Not just a few, but everyone! Clap your hands and stomp your feet, Get your self up off your seat! Have you heard the news? There's good rockin' tonight. I know a place Where we can go Where no one cares And no one knows, If it's passion or play. -Twavis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Yeah, but how does it taste?
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Yeah, but how does it taste? Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:00:08 -0600 New Animal Resembling Furry Lobster Found from Associated Press PARIS - A team of American-led divers has discovered a new crustacean in the South Pacific that resembles a lobster and is covered with what looks like silky, blond fur, French researchers said Tuesday. Scientists said the animal, which they named Kiwa hirsuta, was so distinct from other species that they created a new family and genus for it. The divers found the animal in waters 7,540 feet deep at a site 900 miles south of Easter Island last year, according to Michel Segonzac of the French Institute for Sea Exploration. http://tinyurl.com/q5c9k Apparently some blondes _are_ deep! -Twavis _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Yeah, but how does it taste?
One day, a blonde named Sally was putting together a puzzle. She was really stumped and very frustrated, so she decided to ask her husband for help. ''It's supposed to be a tiger!'' Sally cried. ''Honey, said Dan, Put the Frosted Flakes back in the box!'' -Twavis _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Hello (hello, hello)
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Hello (hello, hello) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 13:33:58 -0800 Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me. Is there anyone home? Come on, now. I hear youâre feeling down. Well I can ease your pain, Get you on your feet again. Don't be lonely, there's no need. Just knock and we'll breathe the days in and out, away. -Twavis _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Green Ham and Eggs
http://www.physorg.com/news9817.html Scientists in Taiwan have successfully bred three pigs which glow fluorescent green in the dark, marking a potential breakthrough for stem cell research, a professor said Thursday. The team from Taiwan, where the world's first genetically engineered fluorescent fish were created in 2003, injected a protein extracted from jelly fish into the nucleus of a pig embryo to breed three male transgenic pigs, said Professor Wu Shinn-Chih, of National Taiwan University's Institute and Department of Animal Science and Technology. It was hoped that the pigs would eventually enable reserachers to trace the development of tissues when stem cells are used to repair damaged organs, Wu said. Yes, this is really important. It should be helpful in the acceleration of clinical research of human stem cells as it is generally believed that physically pigs are among the animals which are most similar to human beings, he told AFP. I'm not sure if there are fluorescent green pigs elsewhere in the world, but so far, in the photos available in the field, I have never seen such pigs, whose whole bodies can glow green in the dark, Wu said. I was shocked when I saw the animals (glowing) the first time. Wu dismissed concerns that the technology could endanger the ecosystem. There is no need to worry about that because, unlike fish, the confined green pigs have no way to crossbreed with wild species and produce 'Frankenpigs', he said. Conservationist groups warned of potential serious consequences to the eco-system after Taiwan's Taikong Corp in 2003 became the world's first company to sell transgenic fluorescent fish, which was listed as one of the coolest inventions that year by Time magazine. _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: My Uncles Website
From: Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: My Uncles Website Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:09:11 -0600 Robert G. Seeberger wrote: http://www.wormanizer.com/ Its..well.its a worm call. For fishing worms. No kidding! And it worksG Pretty cool. Wonder if it works on Arrakis... ;-) An Arrakisworm! -Me _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Some SciFaiku
http://www.planetmag.com/sfku.htm (Andrew G. McCann's SciFaiku Page) Good stuff. -Twavis TOLKU Twit _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The Anguish Languish
http://www.drizzle.com/~slmndr/anguish/#Marry%20Hatter%20Ladle%20Limb _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: All about the Boreanaz (was - Re: Threshold)
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: All about the Boreanaz (was - Re: Threshold) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:35:03 -0500 At 10:00 AM Wednesday 9/21/2005, William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Sep 2005, at 7:50 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] BONES! My dog, what an awful show. Now, shag the iPod, did you actually like it? I'll give it another chance or two. It might grow on me, or settle into its groove, or get better :) Buffy freak... The second one was much better. And it had more iMac G5s, a PowerBook and an Angel joke! - You really wouldn't like me when I'm angry... :) However, is there _anyone_ who didn't know from the start what the guy who got blown to pieces was suffering from? Exposure to the sun, right? He was a vampire. Obviously. -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
All about the Boreanaz (was - Re: Threshold)
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Threshold Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:28:27 +0100 On 19 Sep 2005, at 11:22 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: BONES! My dog, what an awful show. Now, shag the iPod, did you actually like it? I'll give it another chance or two. It might grow on me, or settle into its groove, or get better :) Buffy freak... -Travis _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Threshold
From: Nick Lidster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Threshold Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:08:22 -0230 So did anyone watch the 2h premier last night on CBS? Ya. And methinks we have some decent entertainment potential. Methinks... -Travis _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Pay-To-Play (was - RE: I think this is hi-larious.
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: I think this is hi-larious. Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:02:50 -0700 If there were any genuineness to this piece of spam, it would be proof positive of well, something very interesting. Usual bla bla bla sob story, right? And then the wire transfer pitch, but with an interesting (to my mind) twist: Having known my condition I decided to donate this fund to an individual or better still a God fearing person who will utilize this money the way I am going to instruct herein. Though I may not know you personally I want to tell you that, through divine word of wisdom from above,I was asked to tell you to do this, not for me but for The Almighty because you are blessed and you have been chosen to do mighty works for the Almighty. I do not want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly manner, hence the reason for taking this bold decision. It would seem that God has never visited books.nightwares.com, which carries stories all about various men doing various ungodly things with one another. Ungodly is just another word for tax free. -Travis _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Threshold
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Threshold Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:42:15 +0100 On 19 Sep 2005, at 4:56 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Nick Lidster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Threshold Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:08:22 -0230 So did anyone watch the 2h premier last night on CBS? Ya. And methinks we have some decent entertainment potential. Methinks... It was OK. I liked the iMac G5 product placement ... but Bones last week had that *and* an iPod :) BONES! My dog, what an awful show. Now, shag the iPod, did you actually like it? -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pay-To-Play (was - RE: I think this is hi-larious.
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Pay-To-Play (was - RE: I think this is hi-larious. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:44:59 -0700 On Sep 19, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would seem that God has never visited books.nightwares.com, which carries stories all about various men doing various ungodly things with one another. Ungodly is just another word for tax free. Huh. And here I was thinking ideal was the word needed! So you're suggesting that sodomy-as-prostitution is fine as long as the vendor (as it were) pays sales tax on each transaction? Something like that, yeah. singing He's got the whole world, in his hands he's got the whole wide... -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Are You a Science-Fiction Scholar? (Quiz)
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Are You a Science-Fiction Scholar? (Quiz) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:27:35 -0700 On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:50 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gernsback didn't exactly invent the term science fiction; IIRC the one he came up with originally was scientifiction. Which he later changed to science fiction according to the brief synopsis the quiz gave. Yeah, but IIRC he changed it after getting pressured into it, either by other editors or possibly authors. I could be wrong though. From what I've been able to gather through some cursory spelunking, you're partly correct. But either way I can't find any concrete information on the exact circumstances surrounding the term. Scientifiction, which Gernsback _did_ come up with, appears to be inexorably linked to the coining of the term science fiction through rejection of the former. But whether or not him or his editors or his contemporaries actually invented it, Hugo seems to be getting all the credit all the same. -Twavis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Are You a Science-Fiction Scholar? (Quiz)
From: Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Are You a Science-Fiction Scholar? (Quiz) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:33:28 -0500 Travis Edmunds wrote: http://encarta.msn.com/quiz_168/Are_You_a_Science-Fiction_Scholar.html Everybody knows that Klingons are crabby and that Jedis use the Force. But how much do you really know about science fiction? Take a tour through science-fiction history and see how you measure up. I'm embarrassed to say that I got only 10/11 right. I somehow guessed the right answer for the obscure Kirk question, and yet I confused the Bene Gesserit chant with the Mentat chant. Speaking of those two, I got the Tiberius one wrong. Oh well... -Twavis _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Are You a Science-Fiction Scholar? (Quiz)
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Are You a Science-Fiction Scholar? (Quiz) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:15:59 -0500 Travis Edmunds wrote: http://encarta.msn.com/quiz_168/Are_You_a_Science-Fiction_Scholar.html Everybody knows that Klingons are crabby and that Jedis use the Force. But how much do you really know about science fiction? Take a tour through science-fiction history and see how you measure up. *** -Twavis You got 7/11 correct Edmunds Oh, man. Should I be ashamed or proud? A little bit of both, my dear. A little bit of both... -Twavis _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Are You a Science-Fiction Scholar? (Quiz)
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Are You a Science-Fiction Scholar? (Quiz) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:00:50 -0700 Gernsback didn't exactly invent the term science fiction; IIRC the one he came up with originally was scientifiction. Which he later changed to science fiction according to the brief synopsis the quiz gave. -Twavis _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Are You a Science-Fiction Scholar? (Quiz)
http://encarta.msn.com/quiz_168/Are_You_a_Science-Fiction_Scholar.html Everybody knows that Klingons are crabby and that Jedis use the Force. But how much do you really know about science fiction? Take a tour through science-fiction history and see how you measure up. *** -Twavis You got 7/11 correct Edmunds _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Oldest American?
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: The Oldest American? Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:54:56 + Travis Edmunds quoted: The discovery of 40,000 years old human footprints in Central Mexico challenges accepted theories on when and how humans first colonised the Americas. This is not news. There are human remains in Brazil that _may_ date from 30,000 years ago. Oh. -Twavis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The Oldest American?
http://www.mexicanfootprints.co.uk/ The discovery of 40,000 years old human footprints in Central Mexico challenges accepted theories on when and how humans first colonised the Americas. The timing, route and origin of the first colonisation of the Americas remains one of the most contentious topics in human evolution. Experts from many disciplines are searching for the answers to three seemingly straightforward questions: From where did the first people come? How did they enter the Americas? When did they arrive? Until recently archaeologists thought they had the answers to these questions. Evidence suggested that the Americas had been colonised towards the end of the Pleistocene period by hunter-gatherers migrating from Siberia into Alaska across the Bering Land Bridge, an exposed continental shelf, when sea levels were lower. This is known as the Clovis-First Model. According to this model the earliest occupation of the Americas began 11,500 years ago. The discovery of fossilised human footprints in the Valsequillo Basin, Central Mexico challenges this accepted viewpoint and provides new evidence that humans settled in the Americas as early as 40,000 years ago. The footprints were discovered in the summer of 2003, on the floor of an abandoned quarry by Dr Silvia Gonzalez, Professor David Huddart (Liverpool John Moores University) and Professor Matthew Bennett (Bournemouth University). At the time of the discovery the team were working on dating and mapping the geology of the Valsequillo Basin, Puebla, Mexico. Dr Gonzalez is one of a growing number of scientists who believes that the first Americans may have arrived by water rather than on foot, island hopping along the Pacific coast. Click here to find out more about her research on the Pacific Coastal Migration Route. The footprints research was carried out as part of a wider project funded by NERC through the EFCHED programme, entitled Human dispersals and environmental controls during the Late Pleistocene / Early Holocene in Mexico: Implications for the Peopling of the Americas. The research is also supported by INAH (Instituto Nacional de Antropologia e Historia) in Mexico. *** I'd say it's worth a gander, eh? -Travis _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Russian astrologer sues NASA over comet experiment
http://www.physorg.com/news4927.html July 04, 2005 A Russian astrologer took legal action against NASA for compensation Monday, claiming that the US space agency's bombardment of the Tempel 1 comet will upset her horoscope and violates her spiritual rights. The experiment, in which NASA fired a projectile the size of a fridge at the comet Monday, was an attack on the holy of holies, Marina Bai's law suit claims, according to Russian press reports. Her suit, filed at a Moscow court, claims violation of her life and spiritual values. In any case, it is obvious that elements of the comet's orbit and associated ephemera will change after the explosion, which interferes with my practice of astrology and deforms my horoscope, the Izvestia daily quoted Bai as saying. Bai is demanding 8.7 billion rubles (300 million dollars, 250 million euros) compensation. Her lawyer, Alexander Molokhov, told the Moscow Echo radio that the case is based on solid legal ground, since NASA has a representative office on Russian territory. Bai originally attempted to have a court prevent the experiment from taking place, but her suit was rejected. After a higher city court intervened, the court agreed to hear the case -- though too late to protect Tempel 1. The NASA probe rammed into the comet, which lies 133 million kilometers (83 million miles) from Earth, early Monday as part of an experiment that scientists hope will help reveal how the Universe was formed. *** stOOpid -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Batman [was:] Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Batman [was:] Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:29:26 -0500 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight From: PAT MATHEWS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:48:04 -0600 Notice how we get a different Batman for every decade, and the current one is said to be the best yet. Christian Bale? Who says? I for one do. Well I haven't seen it yet, but still, Keaton is the best. And history thus far has proven that with such hardly germane choices of actors to take on the role of the caped crusader; i.e. Val and George. -Travis PS - Not that Keaton was a great choice for Batman to begin with... _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Batman [was:] Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: RE: Batman [was:] Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:55:57 -0230 From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Batman [was:] Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:29:26 -0500 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight From: PAT MATHEWS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:48:04 -0600 Notice how we get a different Batman for every decade, and the current one is said to be the best yet. Christian Bale? Who says? I for one do. Well I haven't seen it yet, but still, Keaton is the best. And history thus far has proven that with such hardly germane choices of actors to take on the role of the caped crusader; i.e. Val and George. Sorry but I have to correct this. It should read as follows: Well I haven't seen it yet, but still, Keaton is the best. And history thus far has proven that with such hardly germane choices of actors to take on the role of the caped crusader as Val and George. -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
From: PAT MATHEWS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:48:04 -0600 Notice how we get a different Batman for every decade, and the current one is said to be the best yet. Christian Bale? Who says? -Twavis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
From: Nick Lidster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: RE: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:53:01 -0230 as something that myself and Travis have discussed on more then one occasion. The reinvention of the wheel is not so much needed as the drive train needs to be updated, or the vehicle that it moves needs to be changed. Something that we have discussed has been running 2 separate shows that take place during the same time period about 20yrs post Nemesis. That way you can bring in the aging TNG DS9 and Voyager characters in some roles as admirals or retired SF members and what not. However the show lengths will only be 30mins one show would be based on star fleet academy say Star Trek: Star Fleet Academy and would follow the lives of 6 classmates as them go through their training. The other would be based on the Romulan fleet academy and again would follow the lives of 4 class mates and a few instructors. The 2 shows would run in the normal 1h time slot back to back, for approx 4 - 5 seasons. 4 seasons being for their actual school time frame, and season 5 for the first year of their deployment onto a starship or else where. During season 4 1 other new show will be introduced and will be a regular 1h slot and will air every 2weeks. It will build up the story for season 5+, and will be done as an alternating story line where in the off weeks the Romulan show will air. after season 5 and 1 and 2 of the new series. They will conclude in one massive join finale that will set the stage for the next show which will either bring all casts together in a joint operation/adventure, or set them as advisories. I know it would cost a fortune but it would be an amazing way to move startrek ahead and really expand on the Romulan story lines. blush I have absolutely NO recollection of discussing such things even once! Let alone more than once... -Twavis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Will someone, anyone please explain to me..........
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Will someone, anyone please explain to me.. Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:35:14 -0700 The characters I write in one future universe, for instance, live in a time when infectious diseases are all virtually wiped out by -- get this -- a modified version of an HIV-like virus. It lives in the body and augments the immune system rather than destroying it. Speaking of the characters you write, how many copies have you moved so far in your career as a scribe? -Twavis _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
The stuff I don't get to immediately and then forget about afterwards... From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan,was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:59:51 -0700 On May 13, 2005, at 7:30 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] As most of us know, Star Trek Enterprise signs off tonight with two back to back episodes. ... I wonder what the next incarnation of Star Trek will be? Hard to say. Personally though I'd like to see a jump to the not so distant future. Similar to the TOS - TNG transition in essence; i.e. far enough ahead to evoke the sense of progression for this universe, yet close enough to be easily connected with present day Trek a la the conclusion of Voyager. I have been hoping for a while that we'd see a darker Federation. A Fed from the perspective of colony worlds who had not joined it, who didn't want (necessarily) to join it. Set it in the Kirk era, when tensions were at their all-time high. I mean -- OK, so the Federation features high tech, highfalutin philosophies and of course lean hardbodied crew. Wouldn't it be magnificent to see the story of a world that didn't want to get barcoded and look exactly like FedVolken? These people, maybe, have had to eke out a living for decades on some barely survivable rock at the farthest fringe of almost-forgotten space. They have traded with the Ferengi, the Klingons and even the Romulans on more or less even terms, and they've managed over the years to develop their own culture and sense of independence. Along comes some guy in a big shiny vessel with a command shirt and a brief to standardize the planet to Fed guidelines. But they don't *want* those guidelines. To them the Fed is little different from the Borg. And because of strategic position or planetary reserves, the Fed wants them badly, but the Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans would all benefit from seeing this world retain its non-Federation affiliation. What happens then? And suppose these people have access to Fed history (current events?) ... and often quote one James Tiberius Kirk regarding the values of independence, internal ethics and so forth? Use the Trek model to interrogate the values of the Federation, IOW. That to me would be interesting, particularly if there was no reset button. Wouldn't it be cool to see a Fed captain saying something like, Prime Directive be damned! We MUST have this planet! We WILL have this planet! Disable their shield and arm the torpedoes! Not tea bag of an idea really (current political parallels aside), but it's my understanding that fans have already been dealt the dark side of things with DS9, and by and large want a return to the more quixotical side of things best exemplified by early TNG and of course the irrepressible and avant-garde TOS. I'll try to dig up some articles on that if I can. -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Hotel Lost Liberty
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: SCOUTED: Hotel Lost Liberty Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:02:41 -0500 On 6/29/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/29/2005 2:59:57 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If a burglar is someone guilty of burglary, if a glutton is someone guilty of gluttony ... then God is an iron. -- Spider Robinson (1948 - ), Canadian science fiction writer.** **With more talent and less ego than Sawyer. Met Sawyer this past weekend - didn't seem more ego prone than most writers and I am very impressed with his Human/Hominid trilogy. I've only read Calculating God, but it was more than enough for me to label him a fairly decent writer all the same. -Twavis _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Admin info
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Admin info Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:24:57 -0500 (CDT) Got a date with my hubby tonight -- married 14 years ago today! Congratulations. -Twavis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
ITER
http://www.physorg.com/news4786.html June 28, 2005 The Six Parties of the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) consortium have reached a decision in their negotiations, specifying the location of the worlds first energy-producing fusion reactor in Cadarache, in Southern France. The 10 billion project will generate multiple research opportunities for the Plasma Physics Research Centre at the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL). ITER's future location in Cadarache will be doubly beneficial to EPFL. In its role as a National Centre of Competence, The Plasma Physics Research Centre (CRPP) is fully integrated with the nuclear fusion research programs within the Euratom-Swiss Confederation framework. CRPP will thus be called upon to participate in various specialized, high technology facets of the reactors construction. This level of participation will confirm and solidify CRPPs reputation in the plasma physics community. Minh Quang Tran, director of the Centre, also holds a position as president of the European Fusion Development Agreement, the organization that coordinates all fusion-related technology as well as all work involving the JET (Joint European Torus), a intermediate-generation tokamak-type experimental fusion reactor. The synergies that will develop in this research environment will reinforce the links between EPFL and the main European centers of fusion research excellence, in their common quest for a new and promising means of safe, efficient and sufficient energy production, notes Tran. As a key player in this international involvement, Switzerland also stands to benefit in a larger sense from industrial spin-offs that will result from the project. An enormous energy potential Nuclear fusion represents a practically unlimited source of energy. Under extremely high pressures and temperatures, light atoms isotopes of hydrogen, such as deuterium and tritiumcome together, or fuse, producing enormous amounts of energy. A prime example is the Sun, where huge gravitational pressure allows fusion to take place at about 10 million degrees Celsius. At the gravitational pressure we experience on Earth, higher temperatures are required to generate fusion, and to date only tokamak-type reactors are capable of reaching the 100 million-degree-Celsius threshold where energy can be produced. In the last several years, considerable technological progress has been made in fusion research, leading to high expectations for the ITER. With this reactor, studies done at the CRPP and elsewhere on the feasibility and functioning of a nuclear fusion-based centre of electricity production can be brought to a successful conclusion, and the groundwork can be laid for the first prototype commercial fusion reactor. Up to this point energy-producing nuclear reactors have used fission, not fusion, to generate energy. Fusion reactors have important advantages; power stations will be inherently safe because meltdown or runaway reactions cannot occur, and these reactors do not generate long-lasting radioactive waste. Fusion reactors dont emit greenhouse gases, and the basic fuels hydrogen and lithium are abundant and available everywhere. The energy production of ITER will be unprecedented: a single gram of deuterium fused with one and a half grams of tritium will produce ten million times as much energy as a gram of oil. The successful launch of these new technologies in the ITER reactor will set the stage for the successful use of fusion as an inexhaustible and sustainable energy source. *** How's the summer treatin' ya? -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Wierd News Battle Royale
From: Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Wierd News Battle Royale Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:11:01 -0500 Kenyan grandfather, 73, kills leopard with hands A 73-year-old Kenyan grandfather reached into the mouth of an attacking leopard and tore out its tongue to kill it, authorities said on Wednesday. Peasant farmer Daniel M'Mburugu was tending to his potato and bean crops in a rural area near Mount Kenya when the leopard charged out of the long grass and leapt on him. M'Mburugu had a machete in one hand but dropped that to thrust his fist down the leopard's mouth. He gradually managed to pull out the animal's tongue, leaving it in its death-throes. Not bad! Not only do I know how to defend against a shark (the nose as everybody surely knows), but I now have a sure-fire way to take down the big cats! -Travis tongue outta cheek Edmunds _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Wierd News Battle Royale
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: RE: Wierd News Battle Royale Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:52:34 -0700 Where's the Cat got your tongue joke that clearly is in here somewhere? It certainly crossed my mind, but I couldn't for the life of me conjure anything up. It's kind of a role reversal thing: Wassa matta? Kenyan got yer tongue? -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Dolphins use sponges as tools
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Brin: Dolphins use sponges as tools Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:16:58 -0700 On Jun 6, 2005, at 4:07 PM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: A group of dolphins living off the coast of Australia apparently teach their offspring to protect their snouts with sponges while foraging for food in the sea floor. If dolphins are so smart, why do they live in igloos? Man, dolphins don't live in igloos, Canadians live in igloos! -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 11:17:08 -0700 On May 8, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: And then, of course, we have Warren, who apparently values political correctness, false politeness, and his own emotions over anything real and useful like knowledge, clear thinking, or taking time to learn about a subject before spouting an opinion on it. At least I'm not a hypocrite, Erik, like you are. Nor, for that matter, am I an asshole. That's right. You're an Ockrasshole! -Travis still going through old mail just for the FUN of it Edmunds _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Democrats Voted Out of Baptist Church Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 15:36:36 -0700 On May 8, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 03:44 PM Sunday 5/8/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: Both of these -- politics and religion -- like nations, are inventions of human beings, I believe. So you don't believe there's a God? That doesn't necessarily follow. Religion might be a bit like a courtship dance -- or maybe like a funeral ceremony -- something ritualized to allow one to get a handle on something that seems ungraspable, unknowable, or at the very least baffling. *As such separating religion from the concept of deity doesn't necessarily kill the god.* Unless of course you're a god from a Terry Pratchett novel. -Travis Om Edmunds _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: The French Say Non!
From: Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: The French Say Non! Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:09:55 -0500 I'm sure most of you ran across the news that the French rejected the Euro constitution. How do you think this will effect the US? I dunno. Do you think this will torpedo the EU? I dunno. But I think my old man said it best: It's them friggin' French, trying to be different. Just look at Quebec! -Travis Churchill Falls Edmunds _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Star Wars Episode 0
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Star Wars Episode 0 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:04:11 -0400 Whaddya think? Good or bad? 2nd source? This stuff always seems to crop up, and oftentimes it has little credibility or truth. Doesn't matter. It's all about the fun of speculating. -Travis _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Star Wars Episode 0
From: Kevin Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: RE: Star Wars Episode 0 Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 01:08:41 -0600 Kevin Street wrote: Heck, I'd like to see another Star Wars movie, if Lucas chooses to do it. It wouldn't hurt to have another science fiction film in the theatres, imo. Warren Ockrassa wrote: That's true, but what's it got to do with the _Star Wars_ franchise? Heh. :-) Yes, Star Wars is science fantasy or whatever. But it's close enough to be entertaining. The implication here is that Science Fiction is intrinsically entertaining. Something I don't quite agree with seeing as how I've seen and read a few doozies. But that goes for _any_ genre I suppose. Besides, an individual's tastes in individual books and films is more of a deciding factor in the respective entertainment factor as opposed to one's predilections towards any one genre as a whole, I would think. I would also think that that's what you meant anyway... ...right? -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Guitarist Domenic Troiano dies
http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2005/05/26/Arts/troiano050526.html Last Updated Thu, 26 May 2005 18:04:24 EDT TORONTO - Veteran Canadian guitar player Domenic Troiano has died after a decade-long battle with cancer. Troiano, who played in groups ranging from the Guess Who to Bush to the James Gang, was 59. He passed away late Wednesday. His absolute skill as a musician, certainly in the '60s, it was unsurpassed, long-time friend Larry LeBlanc, Billboard's Canada bureau chief, told the Canadian Press. Everybody wanted to be Troiano. Starting his career in the 1960s, Troiano carved out a reputation in musical circles as a musician's musician. He played in a long list of bands, including an early stint as a backup player for Ronnie Hawkins. He spent 1974-75 with the Guess Who and played for countless non-Canadian performers, including blues legend Etta James, Joe Cocker and Diana Ross. He could play anything. And he was so good at it, said Toronto broadcaster John Donabie, who interviewed Troiano in the 1960s when he was a member of the pioneering Canadian group the Mandala. Along with other members of that group, Troiano founded Bush, which released one album in 1970. Domenic Troiano lived for making music, said LeBlanc. His hits included Bush's I Can Hear You Calling. Known to his friends as Donnie, Troiano was born in Modugno, Italy, and became a naturalized Canadian in 1955. He spent the rest of his life in Toronto, except for a brief period in the 1970s when he called Los Angeles home. In the 1980s, the prolific guitarist turned to composing for television programs like Night Heat, Hot Shots and Diamonds. He served as a producer for Moe Koffman and others, and in 1996 his skills as an axeman were recognized when he was made a member of the Canadian Music Hall of Fame. Troiano's recent credits include doing the soundtrack for the video game Fahrenheit in 1995. Every guitar player in Canada knows of Domenic Troiano, said LeBlanc. And most of the guitar players in Canada will sit back and pause a bit today. Troiano is survived by his mother, brother and sister. He was married briefly to singer Shawne Jackson, but the relationship ended in divorce about 10 years ago. A funeral is planned for Monday in Toronto. *** He was pretty decent. -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 07:30:00 -0700 On Fri, 06 May 2005 22:28:09 -0400, JDG wrote Why would one expect the business cycle to have periodicity? Isn't that why we call things cycles -- because we observe them to be periodic? Or cyclic, to be sure... -Travis going through old mail for the FUN of it Edmunds _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: US riches, actual and hypothetical Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:45:28 -0400 * Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: One big question would be to discover if there's an autocorrelation lag, which could reveal that there's a stronger correlation to economic growth that lags n months after a Republican administration. It's being presented without the dates, so I can't even easily look for lag. And I wouldn't be surprised to find that there isn't enough data to reach good conclusions. Somebody gimme a correlogram. Still waiting for your answers to drop from heaven, huh Nick? Would the brin-l archive do, since you may have to wait a while on heaven... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0898702976/qid=1117395723/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-0143946-2551034?v=glances=books Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Heaven, but Never Dreamed of Asking by Peter Kreeft. First Sentence: If a thing makes no difference, it is a waste of time to think about it. *** I, of course, only posted that for a laugh. A wonderful dichotomy though, and I do love a good dichotomy! -Travis Promise An apple tree stands near a light swathed in fog. With night's armor pierced two worlds collide, slide together. Choose? Hardly tempting! Paradise is hither... _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Star Wars Episode 0
http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/celebs/articles/1180018.armx (BANG) - George Lucas is set to make another 'Star Wars' movie after promising fans the latest instalment would be the last. The director is reportedly planning a seventh sequel of the popular sci-fi series after telling friends he wants to develop the story further. Lucas has already outlined the plot of the as-yet untitled movie, which will take place 100 years before current film 'Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith'. A movie insider said: George believes there are even more stories to tell. His latest idea would feature an almost all-new cast, apart from the Jedi master Yoda, who would be the hero of the new movie. Lucas's plan is sure to excite 'Star Wars' fans as the tiny green character is a cult hero among devotees. In the saga, Yoda, voiced by Frank Oz, famously trained Jedi knight Luke Skywalker to defeat evil villain Darth Vader. However, a spokesperson for the movie-maker refused to confirm the plans. EngCP; BANG Media International *** Whaddya think? Good or bad? -Travis _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
I have a habit of stowing away certain e-mails that for one reason or another I can't respond to expediently, but that I fully intend to comment on at some point in time: From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:26:40 -0500 Me: But yeah, I think there's some fairly decent music on that album. And if I could afford to I'd probably buy one. Hell, I'll probably buy one anyway. In a while. When I get a job. I like to think that AMYCD is an example of what Brin talks about when he discusses the rise of competent amateurism. In AFAIK only one piece was recorded in a studio (and I am pretty sure that was a piecemeal affair). The rest were recorded in bedrooms, living rooms, basements and converted garages. Most were recorded using the artists personal computer. I am quite amazed at the quality results one can achieve in such ordinary circumstances. Yeah I know a few people who record in their bedrooms etc, and the quality of the music can be suprising. As for the competent amateurism bit, I must say that personal experience on my part leads me to agree with you and of course da Docta. There are many amateur artists out there breeding competent creation in a variety of different mediums. Some even go so far as to excel and consequently rival the pros. Some. Anyway, kudos for helping to get the muzak out there. You just went up three and a half points on my cool meter. For what that's worth. It's worth quite a lot, even though I doubt I have done anything worthy of such props. xponent Only Having Fun, Doing Things I Like Maru rob And those things you like happen to be things that tickle my fancy; at least in this instance. Hence, cool. -Travis _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Star Wars Episode III: A Lost Hope
http://www.sequentialpictures.com/moviestarwarsepisode3.html *** -Travis I swear Edmunds _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Star Wars Quiz
http://www.cbc.ca/cgi-bin/quiz/quiz.cgi?quiz=arts_starwars *** -Travis 4 outta 10 Edmunds _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Fare thee well my beautiful Vulcan, was RE: Star Trek signs off tonight....
From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Star Trek signs off tonight Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:35:03 -0400 As most of us know, Star Trek Enterprise signs off tonight with two back to back episodes. ... I wonder what the next incarnation of Star Trek will be? Hard to say. Personally though I'd like to see a jump to the not so distant future. Similar to the TOS - TNG transition in essence; i.e. far enough ahead to evoke the sense of progression for this universe, yet close enough to be easily connected with present day Trek a la the conclusion of Voyager. -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Oh dear, this is what happens when you click send a bunch of times, was Re:...
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Permission Slips Re: Rhetorical Questions RE:Removing DictatorsRe:Peaceful changeL3 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've told you before: they're not pink, they're sort of a teal. And you can see them just fine if you put a narrow-pass Lyman-alpha filter in front of your detector. Ohdear. This is what happens when you send before reading all posts in the relevant thread... Debbi who is nevertheless _mostly_ certain that she was the first to point out Their Tealnesses... ;) Travis _mostly_, that's _mostly_ certain that at least _one_, that's _one_ person, will at least smile Edmunds _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Oh dear...
You know what? Well, no, of course you don't... Anyway, upon reading Debbie's post (the one I made a joke out of) I of course deleted it, then proceeded to click my little Hotmail up arrow in order to proceed in turn, to the next message. But something got shagged up and I kept getting brought back to Debbie's post (the one that I made a joke out of that never got deleted in the first place). Hence my belief that it was posted multiple times to the list. Alright? -Travis nonstandard variant Edmunds _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Please edit quotations
From: Robert J. Chassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Please edit quotations Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:26:07 + (UTC) Please edit the quotations you give so they are shorter than what you write. What you write is more important. But what if you're quoting someone who's more important than you? -Travis a tad short Edmunds serious I know what you mean. It can get a little annoying. _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: NYT: Gay men respond like women to pheromones
I snipped everything but the good part. Shag the context. From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Brin-L brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: NYT: Gay men respond like women to pheromones Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:25:13 -0500 Gay men have fewer children I don't really have anything substantive to say (some would accept that as a confession!), except of course that this is extremely funny if misquoted properly. And in my mind it doesn't seem to come across any other way. -Twavis _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Permission Slips Re: blah, blah, blah . . .
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Permission Slips Re: blah, blah, blah . . . Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:01:00 -0700 As I see it the problem is not religion; it's undisciplined, irrational thought -- and that is as prevalent *outside* of any church as it is inside. If you want to have a productive discussion with a religious person, attack the faulty thought process rather than its results. That's a mouthful right there, let me tell ya. A little on the idyllic side of the fence considering the set human precedent, but such sublimity usually is. Besides, it bespeaks the will to carry forward through our own fallibility, which, in and of itself is a precedent that we try and set, again, through the veil of our own fallibility, to ultimately persevere in the struggle to ensure that the institutions we leave behind are better than those willed to us by our forefathers. Or something like that... Warren, you are a noble beast! -Travis _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
From: Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:31:11 -0500 http://www.cdbaby.com/amycd2 The album I have been helping to midwife for the last year. With tinny sounding samples that are supposed to make you have to have to have this album today! I worked my ass off to get this out. You could at least give the tinny samples a listen.G I gave 'em a listen and...well...how 70's prog rock of you; et al! lol It's true for some of those samples anyway, and you know it. But yeah, I think there's some fairly decent music on that album. And if I could afford to I'd probably buy one. Hell, I'll probably buy one anyway. In a while. When I get a job. Anyway, kudos for helping to get the muzak out there. You just went up three and a half points on my cool meter. For what that's worth. -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: List manager ethos (was Re: Permission Slips)
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: List manager ethos (was Re: Permission Slips) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 20:42:42 -0700 On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:31:38 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote Out of curiosity, why is it that Erik and a few others are able to get away with incessant windbaggery and insulting behavior? Free speech. More seriously... our list managers (Julia, myself and Dave Land as backup) have a very strong prejudice toward tolerating words that might be construed as violations of our guidelines, such as the personal attack one. That prejudice is extremely strong regarding such words directed at me, precisely because I have pretty much total control of the list (except that ultimately, the list can move off my servers). It's a moral presumption against the use of great power, on the tiny scale of the list. I suppose I could try to wield my mighty powers to seek some sort of Pax Arnetta... http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/admin.htm -Twavis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Root of All Evil
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: The Root of All Evil Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:13:00 -0500 At 07:04 PM Saturday 4/30/2005, Erik Reuter wrote: * Ronn!Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Or the behavior of one who simply refuses to be an enabler to spammers. No spam. Pay attention. Sorry. I'm so broke this month I can't pay attention. *rimshot* I Told You I Know All The Old Jokes Maru Hard to forget when you've grown up with them... -Travis _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Permission Slips Re:RhetoricalQuestionsRE:RemovingDictatorsRe:PeacefulchangeL3
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Permission Slips Re:RhetoricalQuestionsRE:RemovingDictatorsRe:PeacefulchangeL3 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:31:38 -0700 On Apr 29, 2005, at 5:07 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: * Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: True, indeed. It *was* nonsensical to use that metaphor in that context, since it was about an issue that called for serious consideration. I don't know wny you can't seem to see that. Well, religion-addled brains are good for one thing, anyway. This is more hilarious than the 3 Stooges! Out of curiosity, why is it that Erik and a few others are able to get away with incessant windbaggery and insulting behavior? Don't let 'em get to ya Warren. You're as cool as an ice cube. And some people are about as fun -cool fun go hand in hand - as a kick in the balls (receiving end). -Travis IMO Edmunds _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Remembering Einstein
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/einstein/index.html *** Some neat reading. -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Permission Slips
From: Maru Dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Permission Slips Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:57:32 -0400 On 4/29/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 28, 2005, at 7:43 PM, JDG wrote: The Bush Administration used the child/permission slip analogy to make this *latter* viewpoint, that the US must gain the *permission* of the UN Security Council before activing, appear repulsive and appear to be reducing our great nation to childishness. Dunno about our great nation, but obviously our citizenry has sunk to that level. Would you [plural] mind finding a different horse to flog? This one's dead. And while you're [singular] at it consider dropping the pompous tone as well. It's obnoxious. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books And while we are giving unsolicited advice, could y'all (plural) remember to trim subjects? When it is that long, start trimming. But what if that feeling of annoyance is singular to you? -Travis _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Permission Slips
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Permission Slips Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:58:59 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Maru Dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Permission Slips Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:57:32 -0400 On 4/29/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 28, 2005, at 7:43 PM, JDG wrote: The Bush Administration used the child/permission slip analogy to make this *latter* viewpoint, that the US must gain the *permission* of the UN Security Council before activing, appear repulsive and appear to be reducing our great nation to childishness. Dunno about our great nation, but obviously our citizenry has sunk to that level. Would you [plural] mind finding a different horse to flog? This one's dead. And while you're [singular] at it consider dropping the pompous tone as well. It's obnoxious. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books And while we are giving unsolicited advice, could y'all (plural) remember to trim subjects? When it is that long, start trimming. But what if that feeling of annoyance is singular to you? It's not. Trust me on that one. (Not that it's enough of a peeve for me to actually *say* anything on my own, but it's enough of one for me to defend the idea.) Well, I just wanted to an excuse to use, singular. -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n: Romanticism vs. Modernism
From: David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Brin: Romanticism vs. Modernism Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:07:25 -0700 (PDT) --- Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over at rec.music.progressive the big discussion concerns romanticism vs. modernism in terms of progressive rock. Give them my best. But remember. 1. Romanticism and modernism share some themes! BOTH preach suspicion of authority, for example, and respect for diversity/eccentricity. This harkens back to when they were allies against monarchy, before they turned on each other. These themes fill much music/art/cinema. 2. We are all deeply romantic. The trick is to let modernism be in charge of POLICY. We can then try to have a reasonable, progressive, pragmatic civilization... ... that then lets us all hoot and holler and do romantic things in our free time. Or in the arts. thrive sigh I love David Brin... But you know, he's right. We're all a bunch of romantic doodles. I mean who wouldn't want to hold tight to the one they love while dancing slowly to Bowie's, Wild Is The Wind? Huh? -Travis I don't love him like THAT Edmunds _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head
A prose writer gets tired of writing prose, and wants to be a poet. So he begins every line with a capital letter, and keeps on writing prose. --Samuel McChord Crothers-- From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: I am spamming your head I am spamming your head Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:51:11 -0700 Rob: Creating music is hard hard hard hard hard. Dave: I have a friend, Ted Larson, who is one of those guys who, at a church retreat, can decide at lunch time that he's going to write a song for the campfire that night and do it. Don't we all have a Ted Larson striking a chord within our lives? But I think the aforementioned spammer was referring specifically to multi-faceted music; as in a full set of instruments coming together to create some coherent noise as opposed to say, a guy ad-libbing with an acoustic guitar. Rob: I also write lyrics. The Grand Machine is the result of my writing, and was inspired by The Time Ships by Brin's buddy S. Baxter. And Dave again: Writing is also hard. Maybe not hard hard hard hard hard, but certainly hard hard hard. I wouldn't say that it's necessarily hard per se. But it depends of course on whence you come. For if you mean that those sublime moments of profound insight into the human condition as expressed by the author through the _character_ are hard, then yes, I suppose they are. We are after all somewhat limited in our profundity (see - partial digression below). If however you meant that the methodical construction process and everything that comes with it is difficult, then I disagree. Tedious yes, at times, but hardly hard. Albeit you _do_ have to be on your game to write something decent all the same... A partial digression (pardon the messy link): http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0152052089/qid=1114703314/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-4510934-2317420 In her dandy little book, Very Far Away From Anywhere Else (87 pages), Ursula K. Le Guin uses her main character, Owen, to dole out erudite insights like they're goin' outta style. In fact, such is the compact air of intellectual complexity surrounding Owen, that he makes Anne Rice characters pale in comparison. As one reviewer put it, I still can't believe Le Guin fit so much into such a short book. And that my friend is the mark one who reads but doesn't write. Meaning that the above comment shows a naivete towards the writing process - specifically that it was a difficult task to squeeze so much insightfulness into such a small space - whereas such thinking is, in actuality, antithetical to the truth; i.e. it would have been much more difficult (if not impossible) to sustain such writing throughout a longer novel. My degree's in writing, but not lyrics. The tough part is making it rhythmical (and maybe even rhyming) without making it doggerel. I think I read the doggerel bit in a textbook once... As for the first sentence, could you elaborate a little? -Travis PS - I'll check out the tunes soon, Rob. _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
A whale of a tale!
http://www.space.com/astronotes/astronotes.html April 21 Beamed Into Space: Whale Songs From the deep ocean into the depths of space, the first live whale songs are to be broadcast into the cosmos on April 22 - Earth Day. Providing the service is the Deep Space Communications Network, a private organization located near the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Making use of a large dish antenna, the group will blast the whale songs out to some 3.5 light years into deep space covering an estimated distance of 18 trillion miles. The distance the whale songs signal could go into the universe beyond the 18 trillion miles -- and still be detectable by other non-terrestrial systems -- is an ongoing matter of speculation, said Jim Lewis of Deep Space Communications Network. The Sirius Institute, located in Puna, Hawaii, contracted the Deep Space Communications Network to perform the duty. Members of the whale chorus whose songs will be sent live into space are from pods of Humpback whales off the coast of Maui. Whalesong.net (http://www.whalesong.net) will provide the live feed of whale music making use of an underwater microphone in the Pacific Ocean near Maui, Hawai'i. Michael Hyson, research director for the Sirius Institute, said that dolphins and whales are the oldest sentient race on the planet, and its about time they shared their songs with the universe. Humpback whale songs are included in the gold records that are attached to the still-outbound Voyager spacecraft. But this is the first time that live whale songs will be transmitted into space. = -Travis The Voyage Home/Probe/precious breathing time squandered reading Star Trek Novels Edmunds _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The cats meow
http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/050420_yellowstone_microbes.html By Michael Schirber LiveScience Staff Writer posted: 20 April 2005 02:23 pm ET Life once again proves its resiliency. Scientists from the University of Colorado have found bacteria that live in the rocks of a hot, acidic environment in Yellowstone National Park. Such extremophiles organisms that can tough it out at sub-zero temperatures or with little water are the cats meow to astrobiologists, who want to determine the origin of life here on Earth, as well as estimate good spots to look for life elsewhere. The new microbes were discovered in Norris Geyser Basin considered to be the most active area in Yellowstone. Temperatures are around 95 degrees Fahrenheit, and acid seeps into the stone. The pores in the rocks where these creatures live hasa pH value of one, which dissolves nails, said Norman Pace. This isanother example that life can be robust in an environment most humans view as inhospitable. Like a miner looking for gold, Paces co-author Jeffrey Walker discovered the new microbe community in 2003 when he broke apart a chunk of sandstone-like rock and noticed a green band just beneath the surface. It was one of those 'eureka' moments, he said. The researchers used a kind of genetic screening to identify the critters in the rock. The most abundant microbes, surprisingly, were a new species of Mycobacterium. Bacteria from this group, which can cause tuberculosis and leprosy, had never been seen around a geyser before. Besides being pretty weird, these and other bacteria apparently leave fossil imprints in the rocks they inhabit. These biosignatures could be red flags for life in past or present geothermal environments on other planets, like Mars. The prevalence of this type of microbial life in Yellowstone means that Martian rocks associated with former hydrothermal systems may be the best hope for finding evidence of past life there, Walker said. The research, which was funded by the National Science Foundation and NASA, is reported in the April 21 issue of Nature. _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: War of 1812 Re: New Pope?
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: War of 1812 Re: New Pope? Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:10:49 -0400 At 05:51 PM 4/9/2005 -0400, Damon Agretto wrote: I believe that USA vs. England in 1775 and again in 1812 would both qualify as well? Perhaps. There's more mitigating circumstances, though. In 1775, while the US was independently pursuing war for a time, in the end the French alliance was important. In 1812 the British had much (MUCH) bigger fish to fry... As something of a counter-point to that, in the famous Battle of New Orleans, the British invasion fleet was, I believe, accompanied by at least two fully-stocked colony ships.Thus, while the British did have some distractions in Europe, they also did attack the United States with what they thought was sufficient force to win. The only winner in the War of 1812 was Tchaikovsky. --Solomon Short/aka - David Gerrold-- -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bob's...
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Bob's... Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:26:04 -0700 On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:20:34 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote Okay, I'm watching and the final category is Invented Words. I'm guessing, given that somebody mentioned poem, that it's about Jabberwocky. How can Bob lose? Except that I got the impression from my mother that he's not about to win. Oh, Bob. Bob, Bob, Bob. I had the answer! lol It's too bad you know, he played the stronger game outta the three of 'em. As for Final, I've never read the bloody thing and hence didn't know the answer. But I did come up with teatime! -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Bob's...
...quite the character. -Travis teatime Edmunds _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bob's...
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Bob's... Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:10:47 -0500 At 05:46 PM Monday 4/18/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Travis Edmunds wrote: ...quite the character. -Travis teatime Edmunds He sure is. I was rooting for him to win on future entertainment value alone. Am I the only one who is saying ??? Stuff it Ronn!ald! It's my turn to be esoteric; which oddly enough is esoteric in and of itself unless one is familiar with the exact post of mine that I'm referencing... Anyway, I'm only joking. You know, the whole stuff it bit? -Travis Bobbing for figurative apples on Jeopardy! Edmunds _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bob's...
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Bob's... Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:46:38 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Travis Edmunds wrote: ...quite the character. -Travis teatime Edmunds He sure is. I was rooting for him to win on future entertainment value alone. He's a good bit of fun, I must say. Borders on annoying though (sorry Nick!). But I really can't say much seeing as how most people complain about my darling, Ken Jennings. -Travis _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bob's...
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Bob's... Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:45:00 -0500 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Bob's... From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Bob's... Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:10:47 -0500 At 05:46 PM Monday 4/18/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Travis Edmunds wrote: ...quite the character. -Travis teatime Edmunds He sure is. I was rooting for him to win on future entertainment value alone. Am I the only one who is saying ??? Stuff it Ronn!ald! It's my turn to be esoteric; which oddly enough is esoteric in and of itself unless one is familiar with the exact post of mine that I'm referencing... Anyway, I'm only joking. You know, the whole stuff it bit? -Travis Bobbing for figurative apples on Jeopardy! Edmunds Uncle Bob is on Jeopardy, baby! xponent As Sung By Greg Kihn Maru rob Kihn he sing good or what? -Twavis _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bob's...
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Bob's... Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:37:21 -0700 On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:04:52 -0230, Travis Edmunds wrote He's a good bit of fun, I must say. Borders on annoying though (sorry Nick!). But I really can't say much seeing as how most people complain about my darling, Ken Jennings. He has annoying genes, I'm sure. I was wondering if you were talking about *that* Bob, but figured that was just my ego sneaking in. Some time ago I posted some thoughts that I've since turned into a poem of sorts: I Think I'm Sentient My first instinct, while usually right when acted upon, is usually wrong. I have a great imagination, right? smile Perhaps you can relate... What's he done now? I don't expect to be home tonight at 7:30... should I set the VCR? He's put on a good show, twofold; i.e. he's smart funny as you said. And yes, set the VCR, if only for the halibut. -Twavis , Edmunds _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Is Supernatural Real?
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Is Supernatural Real? Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 00:18:36 -0700 On Apr 6, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Alan Ackley wrote: When my inner tension was finally relaxed, after years of training, suddenly I had a deeper understanding of religious literature, and was also able to see more meaning in my dreams, which prior to this had eluded me. I was then able to make sense of the flow of the Tao, as described in Taoist writings, and could see that this was the same as the Holy Spirit as described in Christianity. What Usheiba Sensei (the founder of Aikido) called the ki of the universe, is apparently this same thing; The Tao, The Holy Spirit, the ki, (or in Chinese, chi). The language creation speaks to us in synchronistic external events, is the same language as dreams. This is also what Buddhists might describe as the union of mindfulness and awareness -- the pure focus of mind on one point, but with a broad awareness of everything else that falls into one's sphere of consciousness. It's a delicate balance and. the moment you're aware you have it, it goes away. Sigh. I got similar states in my own martial arts training (Shotokan and Tae Kwon Do), particularly in kata/form practice. But I got the same kind of states in programming a deep algorithm or writing some intense graf of prose. It's an available event in many pursuits that, when it happens, feels almost magical in its intensity of focus, its broadness of accessibility, and most especially its ephemeral nature. Mushin. Sorry, I'm just going through what I haven't already. -Travis _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Babble theory, and comments
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Babble theory, and comments Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 20:37:24 -0400 On the Pope's death; I have always wondered how, if he is the true successor to Christ, he does not end up being resurrected bodily, as the Bible says His followers will do greater works than He (Jesus), and By their fruits ye shall know them. Seems to me that if he is not healed or raised from the dead, this Roman cult cannot really claim to be the true successors to Christ. He's not the successor of Christ. He's the successor of John, in whom Christ gave his authority to create a church. I'm way behind and consequently playing ketchup...ah...catch-up...and anyway, I'm pretty sure that someone has already jumped on this...but wasn't it Peter and not John who was given the aforementioned authority to create the church? -Travis rock Edmunds _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Babble theory, and comments
From: maru [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Babble theory, and comments Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 20:43:31 -0400 Damon Agretto wrote: On the Pope's death; I have always wondered how, if he is the true successor to Christ, he does not end up being resurrected bodily, as the Bible says His followers will do greater works than He (Jesus), and By their fruits ye shall know them. Seems to me that if he is not healed or raised from the dead, this Roman cult cannot really claim to be the true successors to Christ. He's not the successor of Christ. He's the successor of John, in whom Christ gave his authority to create a church. Damon. You mean Peter right? Ah, two posts up; or down, depending on your e-mail service and/or settings. As Yoda would probably lament, You must learn control! -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Hey, I'm on ITunes!!!!!!
From: Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Hey, I'm on ITunes!! Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:27:53 -0500 One or two of you may remember 3 years or so ago when I got all excited because some of my lyrics made it on to an album. I just discovered that the album is available on ITunes. The downside is that the song I contributed to is broken up into 4 parts. (At 17:41 running time that is understandable. Progyou gotta love itor giggle a bit) The band is Dreamship and the song is The Grand Machine (but it doesn't appear under that name) The pertinent pieces are: The Young Man (6:16) The Traveller The Wanderer (3:27) Touching the Future (4:03) My Machine Alive (3:55) But what the hey, the song comes out on our new compilation in two weeks anyway. I remember inquiring about your musical endeavors sometime last year after you mentioned something on the matter in one of the music threads. And finally I get an answer... Sarcastic, yes. But that's pretty cool all the same. -Travis PS - The so-called pertinent pieces read like a Kansas epic! _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [SPAM] Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))
From: G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective)) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:13:16 +0900 Be careful not to leave out the -. The subtleties of the near esoteric remarks that I frequently encounter here, just as frequently fly right over my head... Would you mind explaining yourself, George? -Travis _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [SPAM] Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective)) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:44:46 -0500 Travis Edmunds wrote: From: G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective)) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:13:16 +0900 Be careful not to leave out the -. The subtleties of the near esoteric remarks that I frequently encounter here, just as frequently fly right over my head... Would you mind explaining yourself, George? Simple I must be... http://www.nice-tits.org/ shows you pictures of birds. http://www.nicetits.org/ shows you cumguzzlingsluts as a part of its bestiary. -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [SPAM] Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective)) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:29:22 -0700 On Apr 8, 2005, at 7:21 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective)) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:13:16 +0900 Be careful not to leave out the -. The subtleties of the near esoteric remarks that I frequently encounter here, just as frequently fly right over my head... Would you mind explaining yourself, George? Try going to nicetits.com and I think you'll know just what he's talking about. Caution: NSFW (not safe for work), unless you work in the -- ahem -- adult entertainment industry. singing Your daddy works in porno now that mommy's not around... Merci buckets Dave. -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective)) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:32:50 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Damon Agretto wrote: http://www.nice-tits.org/ I feel cheated... You were. There were not nearly enough pictures of tits on that site. G xponent Titular Maru rob Did you check out the shops? Some of those items are tempting I especially liked the picture of the girl in the wet tit shirt. Allegorical Al says, Nice tree! (http://www.nice-tits.org/field_trip.html) -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Peering through the Keyhole (Satellite Maps a la Google)
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/tech/google-satellite-maps-42009.html Google Feature Incorporates Satellite Maps 04/05/05 9:23 AM PT The satellite maps could unnerve some people, even as the technology impresses others. That's because the Keyhole technology is designed to provide close-up perspective of specific addresses. Online search engine leader Google (Nasdaq: GOOG) has unveiled a new feature that will enable its users to zoom in on homes and businesses using satellite images, an advance that may raise privacy concerns as well as intensify the competitive pressures on its rivals. The satellite technology, which Google began offering late yesterday online, is part of the package that the Mountain View-based company acquired when it bought digital map maker Keyhole Corp. for an undisclosed amount nearly six months ago. Free Access This marks the first time since the deal closed that Google has offered free access to Keyhole's high-tech maps through its search engine. Users previously had to pay US$29.95 to download a version of Keyhole's basic software package. A more traditional map will continue to be the first choice served up by Google's search engine. Users will have the option of retrieving a satellite picture by clicking on a button. The satellite maps could unnerve some people, even as the technology impresses others. That's because the Keyhole technology is designed to provide close-up perspective of specific addresses. Keyhole's previous government ties also have raised anxieties. Founded in 2001, Keyhole raised some money in 2003 from In-Q-Tel, a venture capital firm backed by the Central Intelligence Agency. Leading up to the Google sale, Keyhole's roughly 10,000 customers included a cross-section of government agencies. There is little reason for people to be paranoid about the satellite maps because the images generally are six to 12 months old, said John Hanke, Keyhole's general manager. And it's not like you are going to be able to read a license plate on a car or see what an individual was doing when a particular image was taken, he said. Convenience, Reach Google believes most people will like the convenience of generating a satellite image with a few clicks of a computer mouse. The company envisions people using the service as a way to scout a hotel's proximity to the beach for a possible vacation or size up the neighborhood where an apartment is for rent. Google's free satellite maps initially will be limited to North America, with images covering roughly half the United States, Hanke said. Although Google is offering the satellite maps on a test basis, the feature will probably force its other online rivals to upgrade their technology, predicted search industry analyst Greg Sterling of the Kelsey Group. To play in this space, you are going to need some robust mapping capabilities. Sterling said Google's satellite maps pose the biggest threat to Mapquest, a service owned by Time Warner (NYSE: TWX) Corp. that has long operated the most popular Web site for finding directions. The satellite maps also up the ante for the many challengers chipping away at Google's share of the lucrative Internet search engine market by adding more bells and whistles. For instance, Amazon.com's (Nasdaq: AMZN) A9 search engine earlier this year introduced a feature that includes an index containing 20 million street-level photographs of building exteriors in 10 major U.S. cities. _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective))
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Woobs (was: Tits (a womans perspective)) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi who dislikes that word intensely :P Which word? Probably Missing Something Obvious Maru --Ronn! :) I was wondering that as well. My guess is cosmetic. Julia Gee. I thought that since the remark came with a title change she meant Tits. Cookie for you! I still think of tits as various birds (titmouse, greater tit, woodtit etc.), and it just hacks me off to lose yet another word to put-down sexslang. http://www.nice-tits.org/ -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Thread convergence
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Thread convergence Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:33:32 -0500 According to NBC, the line of people waiting to view the Pope's body is visible to _satellites from space_, _snaking_ through the streets . . . Wow. I wouldn't wanna take you on in a game of TriBond there Ronn!ald... -Travis ze Great Wall of China/circumstantial/LEO/me Edmunds _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The glow of distant worlds
http://www.physorg.com/news3475.html Astronomers from NASA said Tuesday that NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has for the first time ever captured the light from two known Jupiter-like planets orbiting stars other than our Sun. This extraordinary, spectacular achievement marks the beginning of a new age of planetary science, in which extrasolar planets can be directly measured and compared. The Spitzer Space Telescope was launched into space by a Delta rocket from Cape Canaveral, Florida on 25 August 2003. During its 2.5-year mission, Spitzer will obtain images and spectra by detecting the infrared energy, or heat, radiated by objects in space between wavelengths of 3 and 180 microns (1 micron is one-millionth of a meter). Most of this infrared radiation is blocked by the Earth's atmosphere and cannot be observed from the ground. Consisting of a 0.85-meter telescope and three cryogenically-cooled science instruments, Spitzer is the largest infrared telescope ever launched into space. Spitzer has provided us with a powerful new tool for learning about the temperatures, atmospheres and orbits of planets hundreds of light-years from Earth, said Dr. Drake Deming of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md., lead author of a new study on one of the planets. It's fantastic, said Dr. David Charbonneau of the Harvard- Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, Cambridge, Mass., lead author of a separate study on a different planet. We've been hunting for this light for almost 10 years, ever since extrasolar planets were first discovered. The Deming paper appears today in Nature's online publication; the Charbonneau paper will be published in an upcoming issue of the Astrophysical Journal. So far, all confirmed extrasolar planets, including the two recently observed by Spitzer, have been discovered indirectly, mainly by the wobble technique and more recently, the transit technique. In the first method, a planet is detected by the gravitational tug it exerts on its parent star, which makes the star wobble. In the second, a planet's presence is inferred when it passes in front of its star, causing the star to dim, or blink. Both strategies use visible-light telescopes and indirectly reveal the mass and size of planets, respectively. In the new studies, Spitzer has directly observed the warm infrared glows of two previously detected hot Jupiter planets, designated HD 209458b and TrES-1. Hot Jupiters are extrasolar gas giants that zip closely around their parent stars. From their toasty orbits, they soak up ample starlight and shine brightly in infrared wavelengths. To distinguish this planet glow from that of the fiery hot stars, the astronomers used a simple trick. First, they used Spitzer to collect the total infrared light from both the stars and planets. Then, when the planets dipped behind the stars as part of their regular orbit, the astronomers measured the infrared light coming from just the stars. This pinpointed exactly how much infrared light belonged to the planets. In visible light, the glare of the star completely overwhelms the glimmer of light reflected by the planet, said Charbonneau. In infrared, the star-planet contrast is more favorable because the planet emits its own light. The Spitzer data told the astronomers that both planets are at least a steaming 1,000 Kelvin (727 degrees Celsius, 1340 Fahrenheit). These measurements confirm that hot Jupiters are indeed hot. Upcoming Spitzer observations using a range of infrared wavelengths are expected to provide more information about the planets' winds and atmospheric compositions. The findings also reawaken a mystery that some astronomers had laid to rest. Planet HD 209458b is unusually puffy, or large for its mass, which some scientists thought was the result of an unseen planet's gravitational pull. If this theory had been correct, HD 209458b would have a non-circular orbit. Spitzer discovered that the planet does in fact follow a circular path. We're back to square one, said Dr. Sara Seager, Carnegie Institution of Washington, Washington, co-author of the Deming paper. For us theorists, that's fun. Spitzer is ideally suited for studying extrasolar planets known to transit, or cross, stars the size of our Sun out to distances of 500 light-years. Of the seven known transiting planets, only the two mentioned here meet those criteria. As more are discovered, Spitzer will be able to collect their light - a bonus for the observatory, considering it was not originally designed to see extrasolar planets. NASA's future Terrestrial Planet Finder coronagraph, set to launch in 2016, will be able to directly image extrasolar planets as small as Earth. Shortly after its discovery in 1999, HD 209458b became the first planet detected via the transit method. That result came from two teams, one led by Charbonneau. TrES-1 was found via the transit method in 2004 as part of the NASA-funded
RE: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Brin-L brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Imax 'shuns films on evolution' Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:09:42 + http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4365999.stm Several Imax cinemas in the US have refused to show films referring to the theory of evolution for fear of a religious backlash, it is reported. I think this next article is a nice complement to the above: http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_devore_theory_050303.html Evolution: It's Only a Theory, But One Worth Teaching By Edna DeVore Director of Education and Public Outreach posted: 03 March 2005 06:13 am ET My prior column was composed at 35,000 feet above North America as I surveyed the landscape from the air. The patterns etched by geological evolution are visible at altitude. Closer up, fossils tell the story of earlier life upon our continent. Gazing to the heavens, astronomers gather evidence of the evolution of planets, stars, galaxiesthe whole universe evolves. Natural history museums host large collections of extant and extinct life that document biological evolution. Yet, as I noted, teaching evolution remains controversial in America. A flood of email ensued. Many were supportive; some asked questions. Several negative and hostile emails were openly critical of my assertion that American schools should teach evolution in science classrooms to leave no child behind. In addition to rejecting evolution for religious reasons, several people claimed that there was not sufficient evidence, that scientists could not all agree, or that evolution is only a theory which they equate with an unfounded idea. Evolution is supported by evidence. There are several thousand peer-reviewed scientific journals where the evidence is presented in article after article. Natural history museums house large collections of fossils that document the history of life. Geologists and astronomers have a massive amount of observational evidence of the long-term change in physical systems: stars, galaxies, planets, interstellar dust, asteroids, etc. Biologists observe and document the patterns of the evolution of life: for example, the fossil record, DNA, and the observation of evolution in action such as the adaptive evolution of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria that now pose a serious threat to human health. Selective breeding in agriculture generated our crops and domestic animals over thousands of years; agriculture is evolution in action. Certainly, there are continuing debates among scientists about the particulars of cosmic, planetary, and biological evolution. The nature of science requires continual questioning of ideas, evidence and theories. Theoretical scientists consider what we know, and pose new ideas and models to explain the natural world. New models and ideas generate new scientific tests of theory: observational experiments at Earth and space-based observatories, high-energy collisions of particle physics, deep-sea dives at the plate boundaries, and lab experiments in molecular biology to cite a few. Science is based upon observational and experimental evidence. Concepts that dont match observations are altered or tossed out. Its an iterative cycle. Likewise, if a scientist makes an observation or does an experiment that cannot be replicated, the results are suspect. Scientific explanations of the natural world are tested against nature, and discarded if they do not work. Consider cold fusion. Science is a self-correcting system that provides humans with powerful descriptions that allow us to understand and predict how the natural world works. Consider Johannes Kepler, a mathematician who is often cited as one of the first modern astronomers. He took observational data collected by Tycho Brahe who was a terrific observer and had mounds of measurements for Mars. Brahe challenged Kepler to make sense of these Mars data. Tycho had his own ideas, but he didnt have Keplers mathematical skills. Kepler spent months trying to fit the Mars data to the circular epicycles and deferents that explained planetary orbits in the astronomical tradition of his day. The data just didnt fit. Unlike his predecessors, Kepler took a leap toward modern science. He elected to trust the data, and abandoned the ancient model of circles upon circles for a new description of planetary motion. His ideas can be condensed into three statements which we call Keplers laws. In their simplest form, they are: planets orbit on elliptical paths with the Sun at one focus; the period of a planets orbit is proportional to its distance from the Sun; and a planets speed in orbit is proportional to its distance from the Sun (equal areas are swept out in equal time). Kepler didnt know why the planets orbited as they did, but he could describe their orbits and make accurate predictions about future positions. The
Re: Tits (a womans perspective)
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Tits (a womans perspective) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:52:28 -0700 On Feb 27, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: Thanks For The Mammeries Maru Cute. Personally I've never been that motivated by overendowment. I always imagine what it'll be like in the fourth or fifth decade, after gravity's had its way. My ideal has always been something just large enough to fill a palm -- about half a grapefruit. More than that seems, to me, too much. Less isn't a problem, though, which is interesting. (I mean I'm not sure why, but I don't fall into the more is better category here.) Now as far as the male side of things goes -- size definitely does matter. Male boobies? -Travis _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Satire] Flintstones Are Way Too Gay
From: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: [Satire] Flintstones Are Way Too Gay Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:06:03 -0500 A search for Flintstone's porn reveala little in gay themes but quite a lot of other. (What would we do without search engines?) Gary Denton You know, I never would have thought to look. Never? That's sick David, just sick... -Trav is ? _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: dit-dot-dit
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: dit-dot-dit Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:45:59 -0700 On Mar 18, 2005, at 1:10 AM, kerri miller wrote: At what cost does one follow a dream? How do you detirmine when a dream is a directive, a demand, rather than an idle fantasy of what-ifs? This is one of those questions you get to work out for yourself. Joseph Campbell was fond of the phrase follow your bliss -- sound adevice, I suppose, but it implies knowing what your bliss is... A Peeling Poster On a Forgotten Wall We are droll dark soothing smothers encased in tombs of sunlight, listening for far distorted fanfare catcalls - small substitute for love. Testaments and talismans of our sewage literature. Its all philosophical glib humor; the shelves need a cleaning. Too tired to care. We're wasting our misery with remorse shrugged - a table for one tonight, tomorrow night, every night. A chill spot in thinking, as laying in bed we drift - unto sleep? Not us. To another dawn away, where no higher journey or faded smile can reach. A peeling poster on a forgotten wall; shut off from everyone. --Lennon-- (some username from a poetry site I know) _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Attack of the Metal-Eating Plants
From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: RE: Attack of the Metal-Eating Plants Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:38:22 -0500 Rob wrote... Genetically modified plants may be the green solution for cleaning up contaminated soils. This reminds me of one of my favorite stories (the title escapes me at the moment - it's been a while since I read it) where a company created an enzyme or bacteria or something that would only eat waste products from paper mills and logging operations. Reminds me of Startide. A little. -Travis _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Cat-astrophe (was: E-mail program questions)
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Cat-astrophe (was: E-mail program questions) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:09:50 -0600 At 10:13 AM Tuesday 2/8/2005, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Ray Ludenia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Cat-astrophe (was: E-mail program questions) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:52:17 +1100 On 08/02/2005, at 6:09 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] For behaviors/places it isn't workable, I use The Enforcera squirt gun filled with water and a tiny bit (teaspoon) of white vinegar. Why the vinegar my dear? Obvious! It's for a sour-puss. After a squirt of vinegar, I bet they are! Well at least it's not malt I suppose. That'd just be cruel. Oy. I got home about midnight (the hour, about an hour ago now), and Midnight (the cat) walked out of the door... SNIP I had a cat named Midnight about 12-13 years ago. One day he/she (?) just ran away. And since then I've had a slew of pets. But just for some fun, let me list out the names of all the cats that I can remember: -Midnight -Tittles -Mother Cat -Curious -One Eyed Willie -Chauvel -Baby Chauvel -Snowball -Stephen -Blackie -The Grey Mother Cat -The Orange Baby -Frank (little kitten that I rescued/had the cutest blue eyes I've ever seen) -Tickie -The Grey Kitten -The Black Kitten -London -Leo And that's all I remember. And yes, they were all called by those names. -Travis _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
From: Nick Lidster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:51:40 -0330 - Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled In contrast with the first one, which didn'thave any action, either . . . I dunno why this one gets so much flak. I personally liked it. if your refering to the motion picture... it may have something to do with the supertight jumpers that they wore you see less of a swimmer in a speedo comeon who wants to see shatner in a speedo? Sulu? -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:23:34 + On 8 Feb 2005, at 7:24 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's a cover of 'Common People' by Pulp. Pulp sucks. So does being one-upped by you. 'Common People' got to #2 in the UK charts in '95. And Mrs Wife thinks it's a great song... Shatner's cover is quite another kettle of ham though. In a truly substantial discussion on the topic of coherent noise, I wouldn't dare apply the label of, it sucks to anything. But for our purposes here Bill, I can firmly boast (and unequivocally so at that) a state of apathy regarding the band in question. -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: JEOPARDY! LAUNCHES THE ULTIMATE TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: JEOPARDY! LAUNCHES THE ULTIMATE TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:27:20 -0800 Dave Land wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:58 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Travis Edmunds wrote: And for those of you who don't keep up to date with the date, it starts tomorrow... And cousin Bob (Harris) is part of it, of course: http://www.jeopardy.com/howdies/thumbs/utoc_4708_2r2Up/ bio_harris_2r2Up.php Highlight of his page: Is there anything else you would like viewers to know about you? I have the strength of ten men. Granted, six of them are dead, three tend to oversleep, and the last guy is a conscientious objector. But still. Yee-haw, Bob won today... in much the style he has in the past, betting it all on the question. I saw the epidode. Good for him. I still unsure of the better comedian though - Bob or the cop. _ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
JEOPARDY! LAUNCHES THE ULTIMATE TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS
And for those of you who don't keep up to date with the date, it starts tomorrow... http://www.jeopardy.com/ (Culver City, February 7 , 2005) - Theyre coming from as far away as Thailand, South Africa and Holland, all for the chance to answer the question, Who is the best JEOPARDY! player ever? On Wednesday, February 9th, JEOPARDY!, Americas Favorite Quiz Show®, will begin broadcast of its biggest tournament to date, The Ultimate Tournament of Champions, a 15-week mega-tourney, reuniting the greatest players in JEOPARDY!s 21-year history. In November 2004, JEOPARDY! phenomenon Ken Jennings entered the record books as the biggest money-winner in game show history, prompting the question, How would he do against other JEOPARDY! greats? Now, the producers of the hit television quiz show are prepared to answer that question by launching a special series of shows spotlighting competition among nearly 150 classic JEOPARDY! champions - culminating with a $2 Million dollar cash prize to the winner. The 2003 rule change, which allows JEOPARDY! players to keep playing until theyre defeated, raised the question about how other five-time champions might have played under this rule, said JEOPARDY! Executive Producer Harry Friedman. This Tournament is an opportunity to give those past champions another chance to shine. Invited to compete in the Tournament are the winners of every JEOPARDY! Tournament of Champions, College Championship and Teen Tournament, and the field will include over 100 of the top-scoring, undefeated, five-time champions since the show began in 1984. Collectively, these JEOPARDY! champions have won over $15 Million dollars in their past appearances. The tournament participants will compete in a series of games, which will narrow the field to two players who will compete against Ken Jennings in the finals, to be broadcast in May. Winners of the games in every round of the tournament will keep their winnings, with minimum guarantees throughout, and non-winners receive cash consolation prizes. The format of JEOPARDY!s Ultimate Tournament of Champions is as follows: ROUND ONE 135 players compete in one game each. Winners of the games in Round One of the tournament will keep their winnings, with a minimum guarantee of $15,000, and advance to the next round of competition. Non-winners will receive $5,000. ROUND TWO 45 winners from Round One will be joined by nine seeded players and play one game each. The seeded players were selected based on past accomplishments and status as record holders: Chuck Forrest: Record holder in regular winnings ($72,800) until Season 6. Frank Spangenberg: Record holder in regular winnings ($102,597) from Season 6 until Season 19. Brian Weikle: Record holder in regular winnings ($149,200) from Season 19 until five-day rule change. Robin Carroll: Most cumulative (including all tourneys) money won on JEOPARDY! ($224,100) until the Million Dollar Masters Tournament. Brad Rutter: 1st Place Million Dollar Masters winner, and most money won on JEOPARDY! ($1,155,102), until Ken Jennings. Eric Newhouse: 2nd place, JEOPARDY! Million Dollar Masters. Bob Verini: 3rd place, JEOPARDY! Million Dollar Masters. Sean Ryan: First six-time champion. Tom Walsh: First seven-time champion (also, record holder in regular winnings -- $184,900 until Ken Jennings). The winners of each of the Round Two games will keep their winnings, with a minimum guarantee of $20,000, and move on to the next round. Non-winners receive $10,000. ROUND THREE The 18 winners from Round Two will compete in one game each. Winners keep their winnings, with a guarantee of $30,000, and move on to the Semi-Final round. Non-winners receive $15,000. SEMI-FINALS Three of the six winners from Round Three compete in a two-day total point match, with the combined total point winner becoming one Finalist. The other three semi-finalists compete in another two-day total point match, with the combined total point winner becoming the second Finalist. All players in the Semi-Finals keep their two-day totals, with the two winners of the round receiving a minimum guarantee of $50,000 each. The two second-place finishers in each match receive a guarantee of $30,000; third-place is guaranteed $20,000. FINALS The two surviving champions face-off with record-holder Ken Jennings in a three day total point match to be broadcast May 23-25. $250,000 goes to Third place; $500,000 for Second place; and a $2 Million dollar cash prize will be awarded to the winner! _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
Re: Cat-astrophe (was: E-mail program questions)
From: Ray Ludenia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Cat-astrophe (was: E-mail program questions) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:52:17 +1100 On 08/02/2005, at 6:09 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] For behaviors/places it isn't workable, I use The Enforcera squirt gun filled with water and a tiny bit (teaspoon) of white vinegar. Why the vinegar my dear? Obvious! It's for a sour-puss. After a squirt of vinegar, I bet they are! Well at least it's not malt I suppose. That'd just be cruel. _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bill Moyers: There is no tomorrow
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Bill Moyers: There is no tomorrow Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:26:27 -0500 * William T Goodall ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In the case of the Soviet Union and the United States, for example, there are several overwhelmingly more significant differences than the matter of religion to consider. So much so that I don't see how any conclusion at all could be reached about the relative contribution of religion to the development of science in either. It's really kind of funny. He keeps making that reference, but as near as I can figure, his reasoning goes something like: a society needs some sort of ideology, and if that ideology isn't a religion, then it could be something worse like totalitarian communism. I rather think that a society can get by without ANY ideologies. Certainly England seems to be doing okay, and you Brits are much less religious than Americans. I haven't read this thread in its entirety yet (just lettin' ye all know). Anyway, I'm not understanding the above statement. Surely any and every society that exists today, and has existed in the past, has at the very least, some semblance of ideology intrinsically present in its very being. The gods are with us all, are they not? -Travis he's talking about religion, I'm talking about concision Edmunds _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
