Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
Mark I don't appreciate how you want to make yourself appear high and mighty and unbiased but at the end you say "Please, everyone, stop feeding the trolls." as if you could never consider the possiblity that I'm anything but. really hurts even coming from a stranger. 25. Mar 2017 15:31 by m...@netris.org: > Jens Lody <> fed...@jenslody.de> > writes: > >> As long as others answer to your mails (as I do at the moment), it's >> not possible to "mark you as spam". To much broken threads would be the >> result. >> >> You behave like a classical agent provocateur and if I would follow you >> own arguments, I could say you are a NSA agent or work for a competitor >> of icecat and you try to destroy this project. > > It's natural for anyone to want to respond to accusations such as these, > so the effect of your email will be to *strongly* encourage another > response from awakeyet. You seem to agree that this would be an > undesirable outcome, so please stop responding. > >> I believe (hope?) your purposes are the best, but the result is >> disastrous in my opinion. > > Agreed. Similarly, I believe that you had good intentions in writing > this message, but the predictable result is not good. > > Please, everyone, stop feeding the trolls. > > Mark > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
I could say the exact same things about you. I invite everyone to read the entire history of all the emails I have been a part of. you can clearly see my good intent and where I'm coming from. you haven't seen the horrors that I've seen. you haven't seen what agents looks like. they have torn apart such great communities before for such petty reasons. I want everyone to be aware so that it does not happen here. I believe those who try to silence me are the actual agents. again I invite everyone to read all my past emails in their full entire history. 24. Mar 2017 20:22 by fed...@jenslody.de: > Am Sat, 25 Mar 2017 00:19:53 +0100 (CET) > schrieb <> awake...@tutanota.de> >: > >> oh, playing nice now? I knew you wouldn't mark me as spam. you want >> to continue this game, what a surprise. >> > You "argue" as if you want to make as much users move away from icecat. > You spam this mailing list in a way, that might discourage people from > subscribing to the list or make others unsubscribe. > As long as others answer to your mails (as I do at the moment), it's > not possible to "mark you as spam". To much broken threads would be the > result. > > You behave like a classical agent provocateur and if I would follow you > own arguments, I could say you are a NSA agent or work for a competitor > of icecat and you try to destroy this project. > > I believe (hope?) your purposes are the best, but the result is > disastrous in my opinion. > > Jens > >> 24. Mar 2017 18:59 by >> onp...@riseup.net>> : >> >> >> > >> > I'm afraid I won't argue with unsubstantiated speculation. However, >> > if you would like to answer the questions I have asked, that will >> > get us on track toward a proper debate based on evidence. >> > >> > -- >> > Julie Marchant >> > >> https://onpon4.github.io >> > On Mar 24, 2017 6:41 PM, > >> awake...@tutanota.de>> > wrote: >> > >> >> I see what you're doing here, you're playing game of >> >> questions with me and being very evasive while pretending to have >> >> no idea what I am talking about, while also simultaneously giving >> >> yourself the unfounded excuse to back up your own flawed argument >> >> that "I'm wrong" for "no mentioned facts or reasons" without >> >> actually providing evidence that supports your claims against me >> >> even though I'm the one always pointing out the truth because I >> >> want people to wake up. How convenient that you never show my >> >> previous full reply in your messages to me so that people find it >> >> more difficult to follow this wild goose chase back and forth you >> >> are trying to play me with. I said it before and I'll say it >> >> again, if you don't like me for any reason, mark my emails as >> >> spam. I honestly do not enjoy our interactions and I politely >> >> request that you Julie, personally mark me as spam once and for >> >> all. But I know you wont, because that doesn't accomplish your >> >> goals does it? I'm not sorry and nobody is going to shut me up. I >> >> love helping people so please I kindly ask that you prove me wrong >> >> and don't message me again. >> >> >> >> 24. Mar 2017 09:01 by >> >> onp...@riseup.net>> >> : >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 03/24/2017 07:09 AM, >>> >> awake...@tutanota.de>> >>> wrote: >> I point out your missteps in logic >> >>> >> >>> Where did you do this, and what "missteps in logic" are you >> >>> talking about? >> you suddenly shift your argument if I may call it that to the >> opposite of what you appeared to originally intend to say. >> >>> >> >>> What did you perceive me as originally intending to say, and what >> >>> part of my message made you perceive that? >> >>> >> you don't actually want to provide a logical argument that shows >> any facts and reasons why what I said wasn't good enough for >> you. >> >>> >> >>> I didn't respond to your email to argue against it. I responded >> >>> to your email to ask you to stop flooding my mailbox, as at the >> >>> time you had sent eight emails in quick succession for no good >> >>> reason. >> >>> >> >>> I did of course argue against what you were saying, but it's a >> >>> very simple argument that you could easily refute if you are on >> >>> the side of truth: >> >>> >> >>> 1. There is no evidence to support your hypothesis. >> >>> >> >>> 2. There is no reasonable motivation for any known party to do >> >>> what you suggest. >> >>> >> >>> I can't prove that there isn't a conspiracy going on any more >> >>> than you could prove that the tooth fairy isn't real. But you can >> >>> either show evidence that supports your hypothesis, or at least >> >>> start by showing a credible motivation someone could have to want >> >>> to sabotage IceCat and not, say, Tor Browser. >> >>> >> I love it how everyone is mentioning TOR but they all fail to >> mention the important details like how extremely slow it is, the >> lack of functionality, and how many times it has been >> compromised.
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
How dare you call me a troll. because you disagree with me? you only seek to discredit me because you don't like what I say. you're nothing different than an internet social justice warrior. please do not message me again. 24. Mar 2017 22:08 by m...@netris.org: > Go away troll, or else I'll take steps to ban you from this list. > This is your final warning. > > Mark > > > <> awake...@tutanota.de> > writes: > >> I see what you're doing here, you're playing game of questions with me >> and being very evasive while pretending to have no idea what I am >> talking about, while also simultaneously giving yourself the unfounded >> excuse to back up your own flawed argument that "I'm wrong" for "no >> mentioned facts or reasons" without actually providing evidence that >> supports your claims against me even though I'm the one always >> pointing out the truth because I want people to wake up. How >> convenient that you never show my previous full reply in your messages >> to me so that people find it more difficult to follow this wild goose >> chase back and forth you are trying to play me with. I said it before >> and I'll say it again, if you don't like me for any reason, mark my >> emails as spam. I honestly do not enjoy our interactions and I >> politely request that you Julie, personally mark me as spam once and >> for all. But I know you wont, because that doesn't accomplish your >> goals does it? I'm not sorry and nobody is going to shut me up. I love >> helping people so please I kindly ask that you prove me wrong and >> don't message me again. >> >> 24. Mar 2017 09:01 by >> onp...@riseup.net>> : >> >> On 03/24/2017 07:09 AM, >> awake...@tutanota.de>> wrote: >> >> I point out your missteps in logic >> >> Where did you do this, and what "missteps in logic" are you talking about? >> >> you suddenly shift your argument if I may call it that to the opposite of >> what you appeared to originally intend to say. >> >> What did you perceive me as originally intending to say, and what part >> of my message made you perceive that? >> >> you don't actually want to provide a logical argument that shows any facts >> and reasons why what I said wasn't good enough for you. >> >> I didn't respond to your email to argue against it. I responded to your >> email to ask you to stop flooding my mailbox, as at the time you had >> sent eight emails in quick succession for no good reason. >> >> I did of course argue against what you were saying, but it's a very >> simple argument that you could easily refute if you are on the side of >> truth: >> >> 1. There is no evidence to support your hypothesis. >> >> 2. There is no reasonable motivation for any known party to do what you >> suggest. >> >> I can't prove that there isn't a conspiracy going on any more than you >> could prove that the tooth fairy isn't real. But you can either show >> evidence that supports your hypothesis, or at least start by showing a >> credible motivation someone could have to want to sabotage IceCat and >> not, say, Tor Browser. >> >> I love it how everyone is mentioning TOR but they all fail to mention the >> important details like how extremely slow it is, the lack of functionality, >> and how many times it has been >> compromised. thanks for the suggestion but I'm very proud of what the >> creators of icecat have done. >> >> Matters of convenience like how fast the browser don't matter in this >> discussion, because if a malicious party wants to sabotage users' >> privacy, they will go for the more popular option no matter how >> convenient it is for the users, and given the lack of attention IceCat >> has gotten anywhere outside of our little circle and the boost in >> attention Tor Browser has gotten from the Snowden revelations, Tor >> Browser appears to be more popular. If you have any evidence to show >> that IceCat is actually more popular than Tor Browser, please feel free >> to present it. >> >> In what way is IceCat more secure than the Tor Browser Bundle? These are >> the facts I can see: >> >> 1. IceCat is frequently behind its upstream, Firefox, on updates. >> >> 2. IceCat includes LibreJS, which selectively stops scripts from >> executing based on the presence or absence of a license statement in a >> particular format. This means that any malicious party can convince >> IceCat to execute JavaScript simply by lying about the license, or >> (because the JavaScript infrastructure doesn't enable forking of a >> website's JavaScript code, and LibreJS doesn't even support blocking any >> scripts it detects as libre) simply making the script libre and keeping >> in the malicious functionality. I explained this in my essay, >> "Proprietary JavaScript: Fix, or Kill?"[1] Therefore, LibreJS cannot >> reliably be protective against any sort of malicious JavaScript code; >> its only protective effect is "security through obscurity". >> >> 3. When using Tor, IceCat blocks all requests
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
oh, playing nice now? I knew you wouldn't mark me as spam. you want to continue this game, what a surprise. 24. Mar 2017 18:59 by onp...@riseup.net: > > I'm afraid I won't argue with unsubstantiated speculation. However, if you > would like to answer the questions I have asked, that will get us on track > toward a proper debate based on evidence. > > -- > Julie Marchant > https://onpon4.github.io > On Mar 24, 2017 6:41 PM, > awake...@tutanota.de> wrote: > >> I see what you're doing here, you're playing game of questions >> with me and being very evasive while pretending to have no idea what I am >> talking about, while also simultaneously giving yourself the unfounded >> excuse to back up your own flawed argument that "I'm wrong" for "no >> mentioned facts or reasons" without actually providing evidence that >> supports your claims against me even though I'm the one always pointing out >> the truth because I want people to wake up. >> How convenient that you never show my previous full reply in your messages >> to me so that people find it more difficult to follow this wild goose chase >> back and forth you are trying to play me with. I said it before and I'll say >> it again, if you don't like me for any reason, mark my emails as spam. I >> honestly do not enjoy our interactions and I politely request that you >> Julie, personally mark me as spam once and for all. But I know you wont, >> because that doesn't accomplish your goals does it? I'm not sorry and nobody >> is going to shut me up. I love helping people so please I kindly ask that >> you prove me wrong and don't message me again. >> >> 24. Mar 2017 09:01 by >> onp...@riseup.net>> : >> >> >>> On 03/24/2017 07:09 AM, >>> awake...@tutanota.de>>> wrote: I point out your missteps in logic >>> >>> Where did you do this, and what "missteps in logic" are you talking about? >>> you suddenly shift your argument if I may call it that to the opposite of what you appeared to originally intend to say. >>> >>> What did you perceive me as originally intending to say, and what part >>> of my message made you perceive that? >>> you don't actually want to provide a logical argument that shows any facts and reasons why what I said wasn't good enough for you. >>> >>> I didn't respond to your email to argue against it. I responded to your >>> email to ask you to stop flooding my mailbox, as at the time you had >>> sent eight emails in quick succession for no good reason. >>> >>> I did of course argue against what you were saying, but it's a very >>> simple argument that you could easily refute if you are on the side of >>> truth: >>> >>> 1. There is no evidence to support your hypothesis. >>> >>> 2. There is no reasonable motivation for any known party to do what you >>> suggest. >>> >>> I can't prove that there isn't a conspiracy going on any more than you >>> could prove that the tooth fairy isn't real. But you can either show >>> evidence that supports your hypothesis, or at least start by showing a >>> credible motivation someone could have to want to sabotage IceCat and >>> not, say, Tor Browser. >>> I love it how everyone is mentioning TOR but they all fail to mention the important details like how extremely slow it is, the lack of functionality, and how many times it has been compromised. thanks for the suggestion but I'm very proud of what the creators of icecat have done. >>> >>> Matters of convenience like how fast the browser don't matter in this >>> discussion, because if a malicious party wants to sabotage users' >>> privacy, they will go for the more popular option no matter how >>> convenient it is for the users, and given the lack of attention IceCat >>> has gotten anywhere outside of our little circle and the boost in >>> attention Tor Browser has gotten from the Snowden revelations, Tor >>> Browser appears to be more popular. If you have any evidence to show >>> that IceCat is actually more popular than Tor Browser, please feel free >>> to present it. >>> >>> In what way is IceCat more secure than the Tor Browser Bundle? These are >>> the facts I can see: >>> >>> 1. IceCat is frequently behind its upstream, Firefox, on updates. >>> >>> 2. IceCat includes LibreJS, which selectively stops scripts from >>> executing based on the presence or absence of a license statement in a >>> particular format. This means that any malicious party can convince >>> IceCat to execute JavaScript simply by lying about the license, or >>> (because the JavaScript infrastructure doesn't enable forking of a >>> website's JavaScript code, and LibreJS doesn't even support blocking any >>> scripts it detects as libre) simply making the script libre and keeping >>> in the malicious functionality. I explained this in my essay, >>> "Proprietary JavaScript: Fix, or Kill?"[1] Therefore, LibreJS cannot >>> reliably be protective ag-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
"everyone = me?" me me or you me? please clarify. -but they all fail to mention the important details like how extremely slow it is "it has many layers -- like an onion." Oh yea Donkeh lets hang out at mah Swamp woo lets get all Shrek in here (because that's a good explanation and suddenly makes TOR lighting fast, but I joke) the lack of functionality, "it's just a network. what extra functionality are you hoping to add when you build your own?" it's just a network? build your own? don't get mad at me but I can not in good faith believe you have ever used TOR before. TOR strongly advises against making any changes to your TOR browser because the browser benefits with some forms of security by all of them looking the same. TOR even tells you to not resize your window. as for the functionality I'm looking for? I'm looking for the ability to actively use the internet properly and do normal people internet things with actual functional speed so I'm not stuck by my computer waiting 10 hours for a page to load. and how many times it has been compromised. "[citation needed]" Please do a search "TOR compromised" "person sent to jail TOR" "TOR exit nodes compromised" and feel free to be surprised by the results. It's not a perfect system. how do you not know this? I'm curious and I ask this in a friendly way. I just can't believe it. thanks for the suggestion but I'm very proud of what the creators of icecat have done. "according to you, all browsers and operating systems feed in to the panopticon so what makes IceCat so special?" I did not say those words in that combination or order, and even in the correct order are taken out of context and that's a stretch. to make a simple comment on some of the things I said before, It's important to use a good browser on a good operating system because using a good browser on a bad operating system is the same if not worse (because of the added false sense of security) as using as bad browser on a bad operating system. it's like eating junk food every single day and then eating a salad and thinking you are safe or healthy. It's just not true. people who are healthy metaphorically speaking eat fruits and vegetables every day, and eat little to no junk food. I hope my example is understandable. 24. Mar 2017 10:38 by gdri...@gmail.com: > asleepyet wrote: > >> I love it how everyone is mentioning TOR > > everyone = me > >> but they all fail to mention the important details like how extremely slow >> it is, > > it has many layers -- like an onion. > >> the lack of functionality, > > it's just a network. what extra functionality are you hoping to add when you > build your own? > >> and how many times it has been compromised. > > [citation needed] > >> thanks for the suggestion but I'm very proud of what the creators of icecat >> have done. >> > > according to you, all browsers and operating systems feed in to the > panopticon so what makes IceCat so special? >> > > >-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
I see what you're doing here, you're playing game of questions with me and being very evasive while pretending to have no idea what I am talking about, while also simultaneously giving yourself the unfounded excuse to back up your own flawed argument that "I'm wrong" for "no mentioned facts or reasons" without actually providing evidence that supports your claims against me even though I'm the one always pointing out the truth because I want people to wake up. How convenient that you never show my previous full reply in your messages to me so that people find it more difficult to follow this wild goose chase back and forth you are trying to play me with. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't like me for any reason, mark my emails as spam. I honestly do not enjoy our interactions and I politely request that you Julie, personally mark me as spam once and for all. But I know you wont, because that doesn't accomplish your goals does it? I'm not sorry and nobody is going to shut me up. I love helping people so please I kindly ask that you prove me wrong and don't message me again. 24. Mar 2017 09:01 by onp...@riseup.net: > On 03/24/2017 07:09 AM, > awake...@tutanota.de> wrote: >> I point out your missteps in logic > > Where did you do this, and what "missteps in logic" are you talking about? > >> you suddenly shift your argument if I may call it that to the opposite of >> what you appeared to originally intend to say. > > What did you perceive me as originally intending to say, and what part > of my message made you perceive that? > >> you don't actually want to provide a logical argument that shows any facts >> and reasons why what I said wasn't good enough for you. > > I didn't respond to your email to argue against it. I responded to your > email to ask you to stop flooding my mailbox, as at the time you had > sent eight emails in quick succession for no good reason. > > I did of course argue against what you were saying, but it's a very > simple argument that you could easily refute if you are on the side of > truth: > > 1. There is no evidence to support your hypothesis. > > 2. There is no reasonable motivation for any known party to do what you > suggest. > > I can't prove that there isn't a conspiracy going on any more than you > could prove that the tooth fairy isn't real. But you can either show > evidence that supports your hypothesis, or at least start by showing a > credible motivation someone could have to want to sabotage IceCat and > not, say, Tor Browser. > >> I love it how everyone is mentioning TOR but they all fail to mention the >> important details like how extremely slow it is, the lack of functionality, >> and how many times it has been compromised. thanks for the suggestion but >> I'm very proud of what the creators of icecat have done. > > Matters of convenience like how fast the browser don't matter in this > discussion, because if a malicious party wants to sabotage users' > privacy, they will go for the more popular option no matter how > convenient it is for the users, and given the lack of attention IceCat > has gotten anywhere outside of our little circle and the boost in > attention Tor Browser has gotten from the Snowden revelations, Tor > Browser appears to be more popular. If you have any evidence to show > that IceCat is actually more popular than Tor Browser, please feel free > to present it. > > In what way is IceCat more secure than the Tor Browser Bundle? These are > the facts I can see: > > 1. IceCat is frequently behind its upstream, Firefox, on updates. > > 2. IceCat includes LibreJS, which selectively stops scripts from > executing based on the presence or absence of a license statement in a > particular format. This means that any malicious party can convince > IceCat to execute JavaScript simply by lying about the license, or > (because the JavaScript infrastructure doesn't enable forking of a > website's JavaScript code, and LibreJS doesn't even support blocking any > scripts it detects as libre) simply making the script libre and keeping > in the malicious functionality. I explained this in my essay, > "Proprietary JavaScript: Fix, or Kill?"[1] Therefore, LibreJS cannot > reliably be protective against any sort of malicious JavaScript code; > its only protective effect is "security through obscurity". > > 3. When using Tor, IceCat blocks all requests for things like images, > unlike Tor Browser. This makes it possible for any website to > distinguish between Tor Browser and IceCat simply by embedding an image > onto the Web page and seeing whether or not the image was sent at the > time the Web page was loaded. > > 4. Other than LibreJS, which (as I explained) can easily be subverted, > IceCat offers no protection against malicious scripts except for what is > built into Firefox already. In particular, NoScript is not included. > Even when it allows all scripts to execute, NoScript provides certain > security features, such
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
I keep trying to look but there's alot of trouble in the way. I personally consider it very unwise to put a smile on in this sort of moment and pretend everything is fine when there are clearly unresolved issues. turning away from the problem and allowing it to grow would be like ignoring the fact that IceCat isn't feeling good and could use a visit to the vet. poor thing. I hope we can all sail out of this thunderstorm safely. peace. 20. Mar 2017 11:57 by ph.scha...@gmail.com: > > Absolutely right. Everyone should calm down and look at the common > greater good. Thank you for your appreciative words. > > Oh, and to everyone who helped to develop Icecat and other open source > software: THANK YOU, YOU PEOPLE ARE AWESOME. > > > > > > > Am 20.03.17 um 16:13 schrieb > b...@shroggslodge.freeserve.co.uk> : > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Until now I've resisted on commenting on this >> little Icecat family fall-out between some of the >> family members :-) >> >> >> >> I can see some reason in all the >> points being made from all parties - some perhaps more >> plausible/evidential/or whatever, than others. >> >> >> For my two-penneth single point >> gut-feeling view (notjust for Icecat either), I would not >> expect to seecommunity contributed open-source etc effort >> todevelop/build for platforms and so forth where >>commercial gain/interest is involved (usually for a >> minority few too). I would expect it to be low onpriority if >> it was part of any work, unless there wassome mandated, >> agreed and valuable reason to. Yes Iknow, sometimes it >> helps to do so, but I'm not sure inthis case. >> >> >> >> I really appreciate all the >> clever people who work on Linuxand open-source, community >> inspired and driven softwareefforts (and in other projects too) >> and make those availablefor use - I'd be in a worse place >> without them and I cannotthank all those people enough...it >> warms the heart to seepeople coming together to achieve things >> in this manner. >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Habs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 20 March 2017 at 02:22, Ian Dunn <>> du...@gnu.org>> > >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I see what you're saying, awakeyet. From a certain >>> perspective, you make perfect sense. Attempting to bog downthe >>> maintainer of a project like GNU IceCat to try and takeit down >>> is something I could see a competitor doing. Iwon't argue that >>> there are rotten people that do pull shady,petty tactics like >>> that to get rid of the competition. >>> >>> But there are also good people. People like Daniel, that >>> only wanted to see support for his OS. He wants to use GNU >>> IceCat, but he got attacked by people that laughed him outfor >>> not using GNU/Linux. There could be 100 reasons hecan't or >>> won't switch, and we should respect that. If wedon't show our >>> users respect, but instead assume thatperfectly honest people >>> are trying to troll or attack us,then we're going to lose >>> people. Not everyone is out to getsomeone else, although I >>> know it can feel that waysometimes. >>> >>> Everyone remember: We're all here because we want to see GN
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
I wholeheartedly agree with what you are saying but it isn't as simple as need and availability with users and icecat. we are like the rebels in starwars. giant corporations and their own search engines and browsers outnumber us and icecat like 20 deathstars to an xwing and a few people who pay tickets to ride the star destroyers still want this little xwing to help them so they can be a rebel on an enemy battleship because it gives them a false sense of security on a level of which I have never experience before. by giving into the fear of offending others and going down the path of political correctness and by dedicating resources that we don't even have for our own ship we risk everything. there is only one Icecat. there are no other good browsers out there with the privacy and functionality that Icecat does. There could be 100 reasons a person who uses a closed source and totally "owned" corporate nightmare OS can't or won't switch, and we should respect that, but they undeniably have to respect the fact that we are in a technological survival situation. we are a desert nation and we only have so much water. if we give away water to anyone who threatens to feel "offended" we are endangering our very own survival in terms of the availability of IceCat to the thousands of users who use it properly on an open source free OS where it will actually do them any good at all, period. If we show every random stranger who demands respect respect while completely assuming that they are perfectly honest people who would never try to troll, attack, or manipulate us, then we're not going to lose people. we're going to lose IceCat. If people want respect they deserve to earn it by using an operating system that doesn't take years of developer blood sweat and tears and flush it right down the toilet by compromising the very privacy and security that was lovingly constructed piece by piece into IceCat in the first place. I don't care who gets offended when I say this, and I'm not attacking anyone at all, I'm telling the truth: There is NO excuse for anyone to allow themselves to be so ignorant that they would lull themselves into a false sense of security by using a good browser on a bad Operating System. They Don't get to complain, and they don't get to be offended when they are absolutely factually doing things the Wrong Way. not after the developers work so very hard for years, and then these people demand that they work harder and give them whatever they want on another anti-security themed operating system. "devs just drink more coffee, stay up later I don't care" I want people to be safe, and I want people to be intelligent. nothing makes me more sick and uncomfortable than watching people think and truly believe they are safe simply because they put a small bandage on a HUGE problem. the work required to make just one type of bandage is massive, and they want even more different bandages to satisfy their false peace of mind. it's inexcusable and I wont accept it. we can rainbow fish this all we want all day long, every day until we have nothing left for ourselves like a dry skeleton picked clean by vultures while throwing aside the very people who truly care about icecat. you and I and everyone else here that's a part of this project and community know it as a fact that if IceCat didn't exist the very same people would be throwing temper tantrums and parasitizing off of another attractive web browser with a vulnerable dev team and community, the fruits of their hard work ripe for the picking. "I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong here, but this argument is going to piss people off, and anger will only make it worse." I'm not arguing. I'm stating facts and I'm going to keep blowing the fog away to keep the truth exposed as long as I live. If I or another person feels angry than I'm proud of that. I'm proud that for once we as human beings are able to feel the right emotion for the right reason, and able to have a healthy reaction to an unhealthy world without someone telling us we are not allowed to feel that way. it is our right to feel angry and I wish nothing but the best for all of us in that we use this anger and frustration constructively to do a strong good honest job and ensuring the survival of IceCat. Unless we are interested in becoming like every other failed group or ideology throughout history that is flooded with people who are only interested in how it can benefit Only them, In a non-violent way, we must revolt against ignorance. "and get back to supporting the browser we all love." 19. Mar 2017 22:22 by du...@gnu.org: > > I see what you're saying, awakeyet. From a certain perspective, you make > perfect sense. Attempting to bog down the maintainer of a project like GNU > IceCat to try and take it down is something I could see a competitor doing. &
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
I love it how everyone is mentioning TOR but they all fail to mention the important details like how extremely slow it is, the lack of functionality, and how many times it has been compromised. thanks for the suggestion but I'm very proud of what the creators of icecat have done. 19. Mar 2017 15:57 by gdri...@gmail.com: > On Mar 19, 2017, at 11:34 AM, awakeyet wrote: > > > > what browser may you suggest other security and privacy conscious users use > > in the place of IceCat > > there is a project that is even more privacy conscious... > > "Tor Browser lets you use Tor on Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux without needing > to install any software. It can run off a USB flash drive, comes with a > pre-configured web browser to protect your anonymity, and is self-contained > (portable)." > > "It prevents somebody watching your Internet connection from learning what > sites you visit, it prevents the sites you visit from learning your physical > location, and it lets you access sites which are blocked." > >-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
So others are allowed to make points, but if I dare make a point that threatens their logic, and pops their percieved bubble of safety, I'm suddenly a "classic troll". I mention gamergate as well as other things because they are related. I doesn't take much effort to understand how truly connected everything is. I would apologize to you against my better judgement to make you feel better but I'm afraid I can not admit guilt where there is none. It's sad these days that everyone gets offended at everything, and nobody can handle the fact that there are people in the world who disagree with them. think a different way and you are instantly labeled a troll. reminds me of a few failed governments in history and how they treated their citizens to be honest. I'm onwards and upwards in defiance of political correctness and anything that wants to hold back the truth. I'm going to say what's right, without fear. have a nice day. 19. Mar 2017 15:17 by melik...@melikamp.com: > On Sunday, March 19, 2017 19:34:28 > awake...@tutanota.de> wrote: >>> "Also, even the FSF supports building software for Windows." >> yes yes and linux has systemd. truly imperfect world we live in. > > awake...@tutanota.de> , julie is making a pertinent point: no one was arguing > with you in this forum for like 4 days now. You remark, on the other hand, is > a classic troll. Also your reference to gamergate. This list is, ostensibly, > for discussing issues with gnuzilla, such as bugs. A lot of the things you've > been saying in the last few days are completely, factually offtopic.-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45.7.0 release
I would never trust microsoft, or apple. those are my thoughts on this. i have seen a video of a russian man decode data that was being sent from his compuer and it was actually screenshots of his desktop. social security numbers, anything was prey. very sad. 15. Mar 2017 22:38 by melik...@melikamp.com: > On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 19:23:24 Gary wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: >> > Here you go, pal. Section 7.b. You see where it says "computer >> > information"? >> >> 7b states: "Microsoft may use the computer information, accelerator >> information, search suggestions information, error reports, and Malware >> reports to improve our software and services. We may also share it with >> others, such as hardware and software vendors. They may use the information >> to improve how their products run with Microsoft software." >> >> But in 7a they also point out that "in some cases, you may switch off these >> features or not use them." Of course, if I were concerned I would turn >> these features off then block outbound connections to Microsoft, use an >> offline update utility like WSUSoffline, and not use Internet Explorer or >> other web services. > > You can't turn them off. In some cases you can, which means absolutely > nothing, since in other cases you cannot. Which other cases? All the ones you > don't know about because they don't have to tell you jack. > >> They *do* have the *capability* to get absolutely any information from your >> > computer, like real-time screenshots, keystrokes, or webcam feed. ... that >> > is, if you ever ever ever dectect the leak. >> >> [citation needed] > > Please do not take this the wrong way, but if you need a citation for this, > then you must be missing on some really basic understanding of how a modern > computer works. In short, micro$soft runs a mystery program on your pc, and > it > runs with the highest privelege afforded by your hardware (CPU, etc.). No one > even *knows* what it does, let alone able to fully control it, besides > micro$oft. Absolutely anything you can direct your computer to do from within > window$, micro$oft can do remotely, surreptuously, and *trivially* in the > technical sense. I would read on wikipedia about software, and then free > software, and hopefully all of this will become obvious.-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
I will respect that, as I always have. I sense deep treachery however. I don't mean to personally attack but people need to be aware that something is definitely going on. my radar is ringing off the scale. the reply from "Daniel Quintiliani пишет:" reads word for word like a script from the SJW "social justice warrior" (sounds friendly, but is something different entirely) playbook. this is how "they" infiltrate communities and guilt trip everyone into slowly but surely feeling ashamed by who they are and what they do. they will use words like misogyny and racism as weapons, as tools of war to get us to doubt ourselves, even if we are nice people who would never do those things. the events that took place in gamergate are no joke. I will continue to try and watch out for icecat. God bless you all. 18. Mar 2017 13:31 by pub...@beloved.name: > Don't violate the forum rules. We are not here to judge why people > who use proprietary OS's, this forum is for IceCat only. Pleaserespect > that. > > >> using icecat on a closed source operating system is like eating burgers >> and pizza and donuts 6 days a week and on the seventh day you eat >> one salad and think you are some health guru. you have to be joking us, >> and you have to be joking yourself. seek professional mental care help, >> and I really do mean that in the nicest and most caring way possible. ( >> to the people who are suggesting these things) >> >> 16. Mar 2017 11:34 by >> pub...@beloved.name>> : >> >> >>> Please don't beoffensive in here. >>> >>> I sympathize with Dan that the release schedules have lost >>> control. But you are right too Sedovanr, there are only a few >>> developers for IceCat, however, the team is about to expand. >>> >>> >>> On 16 March 2017 15:32:35 CET, Sedov Andrey <>>> >>> sedov...@yandex.ru>>> > wrote: You talk a lot. Talkabout the empty and unnecessary. The number of Icecatdevelopers is small and they are right that they do notspend their time on unnecessary things. Want for auseless thing - support spyware OS Windows, DO! Develop your code for IceCat, and do not make claims and whims for real developers Icecat. 16.03.2017 09:39, Daniel Quintiliani пишет: > > Hi,I am sick and effing tired of the project going > nowhere because all we do is argue over the same crap while the > developers can't make up their mind on what to do before the next > already-obsolete version is released. I've seen more fringe opinions with > IceCat than I've seen in any other software program. The truth is nobody > in IceCat cares about providing freedom to those in need of it, which > IceCat is in a crucial position for right now, they just like to argue > and troll and come up with nutty ideas, like that troll a few months ago > who said that closed-source OSes should receive no security updates for > any software at all, and now we got another weirdo who is putting out > similar rants. The GNU project is about providing freedom to people who > need it, not *deliberately* harming people's lives with insecure software > just because they use closed-source OSes. I switched to Pale Moon months > ago because, thanks to the trolls who hold back development, IceCat is > dangerous to use. I'm tired of trolls. Have fun with your troll web > browser, I won't be recommending it to anyone anymore on any OS, closed > or open.---Dan Q--> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my >>> brevity. >> > > -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45.7.0 release
what are the benefits of using a a virtualized linux OS on a computer with linux to connect to another computer with linux before using the internet? wouldn't you need two houses for that? 16. Mar 2017 03:03 by informat...@actiu.net: > My suggests: > > A) Use GNU/Linux as main OS in computer > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU > > B) Connect remotely to a GNU/Linux desktop and browse the web from there > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_sharing > > C) Run a virtual machine with GNU/Linux as guest OS > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_virtualization > > > > El 16/03/17 a les 03:23, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit: >> So you would recommend most of the planet use Microsoft Edge then? >> >> -- >> >> -Dan Q >> >> >> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:58:25 +0100 (CET), <>> awake...@tutanota.de>> > wrote: >> >>> I totally agree, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to use a slightly more >>> secure browser like icecate on ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTINGLY BACKDOORED BOTNET >>> surveillance, freedom and privacy destroying operating systems like those >>> of apple and microsoft. why? because there is no benefit. the levels of >>> disrespect that apple and microsoft have for user privacy (remember, they >>> are a part of the nsa spying cult known as PRISM) are so high that there is >>> no doubt in my opinion that any possible benefit to using icecat is >>> instantly reduced to nothing while using it on windows or mac. >>> >>> Using icecat on windows or mac is like bringing a bucket of fresh water >>> with you everywhere you go because it has the salt removed and is more >>> secure against salt, and then going to the middle of the ocean and >>> expecting your freshwater to not get salty. I honestly believe that >>> everyone who suggests more hard work for those involved with icecat to make >>> it function on windows or mac are some kind of weirdos with hidden >>> intentions. >>> >>> 14. Mar 2017 02:13 by >>> m...@netris.org>>> : >>> >>> "Daniel Quintiliani" <> d...@runbox.com > > writes: > Please reconsider your discontinuation of Windows and Mac versions, as > libre browsing is most needed in DRM-based OSes, not Linux :( Please, let's not propose adding more work for Rubén. Given that he's already too overloaded to produce IceCat releases in a timely fashion, and given the paramount importance of reducing the latency of IceCat security updates, I fully support his decision to reduce the amount of work associated with each release. Let someone else volunteer to build binaries for Windows and Mac, if there's sufficient interest. Regards, Mark -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> >> >> >> -- >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] MetaGer - English version
Searx as a search engine gave me a very weird impression and asked me to enable certain unwanted features before unleashing its functionality. duckduckgo Is something you really need to do research on before falling for a false sense of security. seriously, look up the controversial things about duckduckgo. you can't trust it. metager, never heard of it. ixquick.com and startpage.com are excellent by the way, the most lightweight too. 16. Mar 2017 13:10 by informat...@actiu.net: > Best candidates I think are: > 1. Searx > 2. MetaGer > 9. DuckDuckGo > > MetaGer has a balance of advantages from Searx and DuckDuckGo (FOSS, no > tracking, stable portal) > > > El 16/03/17 a les 13:12, David Hedlund ha escrit: >> Sorry, I mean _MetaGer_ not MetGer, its a Meta search engine. >> >> -- >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Electrolysis security add-ons
these are all optional correct? I'm a big fan of spyblock (the generic adblocker) because it did it's simple job very well for me before and I hope it will always be available. I absolutely do not trust ublock origin or any umatrix/ublock as it was heavily shilled all over the internet, and I have had horrible experiences with privacy badger changing my settings without permission so I will never use it. I'm not okay with having these in my browser even if they are disabled. thank you, and have a good day. 17. Mar 2017 13:09 by pub...@beloved.name: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > [[[ Use this signature in you own emails to campaign for it. ]]] > > I've prepared the Electrolysis security add-on collection for the coming > version IceCat based on Firefox ESR 48 (aka Electrolysis) and higher. > > See > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/DavidHedlund/electrolysis-security > > The old security collection can be found at > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/DavidHedlund/non-electrolysis-security > > > -- > David Hedlund > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] non-free code on IceCat
"Google does no evil" HO HO HO HO HO HO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. HUE HUE HUE HUE. nice one. 6. Mar 2017 12:12 by d...@runbox.com: > I agree. It may seem to be silly, but Google does no evil, and Mozilla cares > about our right to privacy. > > -- > > -Dan Q > > > On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 14:39:11 +0100, Antonio Trande <> anto.tra...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> Icecat looks included non-free code. Please, remove the file >> >> ./dom/system/gonk/tests/marionette/ril_jshint/jshint.js >> >> Bad license: >> >> > * JSHint, by JSHint Community. >> > * >> > * This file (and this file only) is licensed under the same slightly > >> modified >> > * MIT license that JSLint is. It stops evil-doers everywhere: >> > * >> > * Copyright (c) 2002 Douglas Crockford (>> www.JSLint.com>> ) >> > * >> > * Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person >> > obtaining >> > * a copy of this software and associated documentation files >> > (the "Software"), >> > * to deal in the Software without restriction, including without > >> limitation >> > * the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, >> > sublicense, >> > * and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to >> > whom >> > * the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following >> > conditions: >> > * >> > * The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be > >> included >> > * in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. >> > * >> > * The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil. >> > * >> > * THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY >> > KIND, EXPRESS OR >> > * IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF >> > MERCHANTABILITY, >> > * FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO >> > EVENT SHALL THE >> > * AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES > OR >> OTHER >> > * LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR >> > OTHERWISE, ARISING >> > * FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR > OTHER >> > * DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE. >> > * >> > */ >> >> Bug on Mozilla: >> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1334543 >> Bug on Debian: >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813054 >> Bug on Fedora: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1421409 >> >> -- >> --- >> Antonio Trande >> mailto: sagitter 'at' fedoraproject 'dot' org >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sagitter >> GPG Key: 0xD5C73C16131EEDF8948AA719C05E8F07B96A706C >> Check on >> https://keys.fedoraproject.org >> -- >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org > > > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45.7.0 release
I totally agree, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to use a slightly more secure browser like icecate on ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTINGLY BACKDOORED BOTNET surveillance, freedom and privacy destroying operating systems like those of apple and microsoft. why? because there is no benefit. the levels of disrespect that apple and microsoft have for user privacy (remember, they are a part of the nsa spying cult known as PRISM) are so high that there is no doubt in my opinion that any possible benefit to using icecat is instantly reduced to nothing while using it on windows or mac. Using icecat on windows or mac is like bringing a bucket of fresh water with you everywhere you go because it has the salt removed and is more secure against salt, and then going to the middle of the ocean and expecting your freshwater to not get salty. I honestly believe that everyone who suggests more hard work for those involved with icecat to make it function on windows or mac are some kind of weirdos with hidden intentions. 14. Mar 2017 02:13 by m...@netris.org: > "Daniel Quintiliani" <> d...@runbox.com> > writes: >> Please reconsider your discontinuation of Windows and Mac versions, as >> libre browsing is most needed in DRM-based OSes, not Linux :( > > Please, let's not propose adding more work for Rubén. Given that he's > already too overloaded to produce IceCat releases in a timely fashion, > and given the paramount importance of reducing the latency of IceCat > security updates, I fully support his decision to reduce the amount of > work associated with each release. Let someone else volunteer to build > binaries for Windows and Mac, if there's sufficient interest. > > Regards, >Mark > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Suggestion: JavaScript button
" uBlock Origin, and uMatrix." heavily shilled addons. I will never trust these. I don't know why there has been such a massive push for these, even adblock edge got taken down even though it was perfectly fine. has anyone here ever even audited these? actually looked through all the code and made sure there's nothing "talking or pinging back" or doing something that goes against security? lets not poison the well here. nobody knows whats running inside. "NoScript is designed to block scripts based on the scripts' location, not based on what Web page you are currently looking at." That's totally incorrect. NoScript clearly shows the scripts that are (trying) to run (but can't since NoScript autoblocks them by default) (thank God) directly related to the webpage that you are on. if you want to go a step further down the paranoia hole of coolness, many people have suggested using NoScript and Request Policy together. "A new add-on should be developed that blocks scripts in a way more similar to NoScript, but then allows all scripts on a given page in a way more similar to LibreJS at the press of a button." seriously, this the the "temporarily allow all" button from NoScript and personally I think it's an unwise button to click, yet it's important that the option be possible, although I would never ever use it. why make a whole new addon that does a fraction of what NoScript already does, but in a much more unsafe way? "I don't know any JavaScript or have the time to be learning a new skill right now. That being said, I am prepared to offer a bounty for a Firefox add-on that does the job well (i.e. in a reliable way, *not* the simple but possibly unreliable method I suggested previously). I can offer $50. Would anyone else like to join me?" I'm in actual shock. I can't handle what I'm reading. you don't know any javascript (or apparenly the slightest idea of how it works) and actually want to pay someone $50 to make an addon that does the same job worse, than another addon that does that and many other things.. Please don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I'm being respectful to you by being straight forward with you. I value honesty and I hope you value mine. This is really silly m8. 25. Jan 2017 09:04 by onp...@riseup.net: >> I would personally also file the sugestion to NoScript, uBlock Origin, and >> uMatrix. > > The developer of QuickJava also suggested NoScript, but I don't think > NoScript's infrastructure is capable of handling the task any better > than QuickJava is. NoScript is designed to block scripts based on the > scripts' location, not based on what Web page you are currently looking > at. This makes sense from NoScript's perspective since it's a security > suite, but not particularly helpful for what I'm proposing. > > Actually, the closest add-on I can think of is LibreJS, with its > "temporarily allow all scripts" button (or whatever it's called). But I > don't think using LibreJS as a base would be very wise due to the way it > blocks JavaScript being slow and causing rendering errors in some cases. > A new add-on should be developed that blocks scripts in a way more > similar to NoScript, but then allows all scripts on a given page in a > way more similar to LibreJS at the press of a button. > >> If its outside the interest of these projects as well I would likely >> develop it myself if I were in your position. > > I don't know any JavaScript or have the time to be learning a new skill > right now. That being said, I am prepared to offer a bounty for a > Firefox add-on that does the job well (i.e. in a reliable way, *not* the > simple but possibly unreliable method I suggested previously). I can > offer $50. Would anyone else like to join me? > > -- > Julie Marchant > https://onpon4.github.io > > Protect your emails with GnuPG: > https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Suggestion: JavaScript button
I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding this but it appears to me after reading a few of these emails about this back and forth that this is Exceptionally illogical, to the point of being "HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE" forgive me, but in all seriousness, NoScript literally does exactly that if not perhaps even better. that's the "temporarily allow scripts" button in NoScript. also it's a security risk to temporarily allow ALL javascript and quickly disable it again because that would take away the users ability to control what happens in that short instant. why in the name of god almighty anyone would ever want to create a hole like that is beyond me. unbeatable rules: everything disallowed by default, only enable specifically what you want to allow, ONLY WHEN you want to allow it. and that's how NoScript does it. what are you even asking for? reading your emails has caused my brain to liquify and pour out of my nose. 21. Jan 2017 19:27 by onp...@riseup.net: > On 01/21/2017 06:36 PM, David Hedlund wrote: >> QuickJava can already do this: >> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/quickjava > > No, I wasn't talking about a button to enable and disable JavaScript. > There are tons of extensions that can enable and disable JavaScript; > even QuickJava would be superfluous for that purpose. I was talking > about a button to show the *current page* with JavaScript active, while > otherwise leaving JavaScript disabled, for a limited designated period > of time (probably just until the user navigates away from the page). > > Because of the way Firefox handles JavaScript, a Firefox extension > should be able to do this by enabling JavaScript, releading the page, > and then disabling JavaScript again once the page loads. But that's just > an implementation detail and I don't know for sure that it will continue > to work in future Firefox releases. The important thing is for > JavaScript to be globally disabled, but temporarily allowed on a > particular site at the push of a button. > > -- > Julie Marchant > https://onpon4.github.io > > Protect your emails with GnuPG: > https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] USB flash drive portability
This would be very cool. I would love icecat to be more isolated in it's downloaded file folder etc. so that it's more secure. being able to drag and drop a single folder containing the entire apparmored isolated browser would be great, and allow it to travel on usb drives better. please and yes! also very nice signature. very cool idea. 7. Jan 2017 01:19 by pub...@beloved.name: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > [[[ Use this signature in you own emails to campaign for it. ]]] > > * Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition can be installed on USB flash drives. > > > * Can the pre-compiled binaries of IceCat be used on USB flash drives? > > > * Can the pre-compiled binaries of Firefox ESR be used on USB flash drives? > > > -- > David Hedlund > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?
wasn't it you though? I thought I was more on their side. unless I'm getting names mixed up on who is replying to who. 2. Jan 2017 10:40 by d...@runbox.com: > I am convinced Narcis is a troll, or just nuts. > > -- > > -Dan Q > > > On Mon, 2 Jan 2017 01:11:24 +0100 (CET), <> awake...@tutanota.de> > wrote: > >> are you implying that it's silly to look for problems and then improve by >> updating? >> >> I guess we should just stop looking for vulnerabilities to fix, because if >> we ignore them they will all just go away right? Wrong. >> >> >> >> 30. Dec 2016 15:38 by >> informat...@actiu.net>> : >> >> >> > IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for >> > Icecat 52, etc. >> > >> > >> > El 30/12/16 a les 17:44, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit: >> >> Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> -Dan Q >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia <>> >> >> >> informat...@actiu.net>> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >>> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have >> >>> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable. >> >>> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux >> >>> direction. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit: >> I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users >> are being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and >> v45.3 were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version >> would be available, and it turned into arguments about whether we >> should expand non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of >> arguments we need to focus on the project and official policy vs >> mailing list opinions. We should also focus on who the decision makers >> actually are, to my knowledge Ruben has been busy lately but someone >> can easily say "Why should we maintain a Windows or Mac version of >> IceCat?" and be confused for someone who is making decisions for the >> project. >> >> -- >> >> -Dan Q >> >> On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs < >> >> gdri...@gmail.com>> > wrote: >> >> > Daniel Quintiliani wrote: >> >> >> >> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and >> >> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM. >> > >> > Where did you see any such announcement? >> > >> > Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, > >> >> > political-gnuzi...@gnu.org>> > , so the rest of us can discuss >> > technical topics in peace. >> > -- >> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> -- >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?
are you implying that it's silly to look for problems and then improve by updating? I guess we should just stop looking for vulnerabilities to fix, because if we ignore them they will all just go away right? Wrong. 30. Dec 2016 15:38 by informat...@actiu.net: > IceCat 45 must have vulnerabilities too, and then someone will ask for > Icecat 52, etc. > > > El 30/12/16 a les 17:44, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit: >> Numerous remote code execution vulnerabilities? You're kidding me right? >> >> -- >> >> -Dan Q >> >> >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:06:10 +0100, Narcis Garcia <>> >> informat...@actiu.net>> > wrote: >> >>> People asking for a new IceCat version for Windows, they already have >>> IceCat 38.8.0 ans it seems usable. >>> Any freedom and security enhancement they ask for, it's to GNU/Linux >>> direction. >>> >>> >>> El 29/12/16 a les 23:58, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit: I think there's been a real problem lately where complaints by users are being confused with official project decisions. Like when v45.5 and v45.3 were released Linux only, some of us asked if a Windows version would be available, and it turned into arguments about whether we should expand non-DRM browsers under unfree systems. Instead of arguments we need to focus on the project and official policy vs mailing list opinions. We should also focus on who the decision makers actually are, to my knowledge Ruben has been busy lately but someone can easily say "Why should we maintain a Windows or Mac version of IceCat?" and be confused for someone who is making decisions for the project. -- -Dan Q On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0800, Gary Driggs < gdri...@gmail.com > wrote: > Daniel Quintiliani wrote: >> >> Ruben having discontinued Windows support for IceCat was the best and >> easiest way to force most of the human population into DRM. > > Where did you see any such announcement? > > Maybe we should start an alternate mailing list, > > political-gnuzi...@gnu.org> , so the rest of us can discuss technical > topics in peace. > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >>> >>> -- >>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> >> > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?
THIS! 10/10 all the way. devs wasting precious time and resources working on any windows software does nothing to help anyone in any way. we would all be insulting our own intelligence and our principles, the very purpose of icecat; to consider further enabling people to have a false sense of security while using the very software that is one of the main driving forces behind the reason why software's like icecat are even created in the first place. the contradiction! the hypocracy! I invite all people of the world to use FOSS linux software on FOSH hardware with a great browser like Gnu IceCat so that they may comfortably step across the bridge from a sinking ship to a paradigm shift! "No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech company exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends them over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn production, so what is being done about it? Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if icecat is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I would refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and feel better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense applying a band-aid. Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who already have more work than they can handle." -- 29. Dec 2016 13:06 by melik...@melikamp.com: > On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 21:37:31 Daniel Quintiliani wrote: >> I doubt Microsoft would risk taking screenshots of employee's computers at >> Fortune 500 companies. Do you know how dangerously illegal that is? > > No, I do not. Please enlighten us. When was the last time a major tech > company > exec went to jail or prison over an obvious computer crime, like when $ony > rooted millions of PCs? Was anyone ever indicted even? With their game > consoles, Micro$oft routinely takes pictures of naked teenagers and sends > them > over the internet, without their knowledge or informed consent, what is up > with that? Clearly, this is an invasion of privacy and an illegal porn > production, so what is being done about it? > > Please stop the nonsense. Your analogies are awful and misleading. if icecat > is a band-aid, then you are asking us to put it on a brain tumor. Yes, I > would > refuse to distribute GNU-branded band-aids to brain tumor patients, while > claiming they help, even though some may slap them on their foreheads and > feel > better due to a placebo effect. What these people need is an invasive, but > life-saving operation. Once the windoze tumor is removed, it makes sense > applying a band-aid. > > Once again, I am not in principle against building icecat for nonfree > platforms such as windoze, but please get a grip. It is next to useless. > Either kindly contribute a build, or stop pestering the developers, who > already have more work than they can handle.-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] uBlock hit 3rd place on AMO
no of course I don't mean adblock plus when I literally said spyblock ( the one that comes with IceCat) -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 28. Dec 2016 13:16 by informat...@actiu.net: > Do you mean this extension? > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/adblock-plus > > If so; Can you install it from that FF page? > > > El 28/12/16 a les 18:14, > awake...@tutanota.de> ha escrit: >> I really like spyblock. it just works and I don't have to worry about >> ublock that's constantly being aggressively shilled everywhere like >> linux mint. please let me just keep my spyblock. >> >> -- >> Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! >> https://tutanota.com >> >> 21. Dec 2016 12:40 by >> pub...@beloved.name>> <>> >> mailto:pub...@beloved.name>> >: >> >> On 2016-12-21 18:34, Sedov Andrey wrote: >> >> I'm not arguing that a high rating is more donations. More donations >> is the best development software. But the betrayal of the idea Adblock = >> this betrayal. >> >> I said that uBlock Origin refuse to take donations. The author, >> Raymond Hill, is against it, thus nobody can sue him as they tried >> with the Adblock Plus company Eyeo. >> >> >> I think that GNU's fair. Adblock is not fair. I think people are >> coasting (old information) make a choice Adblock. >> But over time more people will use uBlock Origin and less use of >> Adblock. And ratings for AMO Adblock will decrease uBlock Origin will >> improve (heh... I know I'm naive and idealist:) ) >> So I think that the way IceCat SpyBlock is the way with uBlock >> Origin, but not the path with the traitor Adblock. >> >> >> If you have a Savannah account, then please put your vote on >> >> http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?49606>> (click on "Votes" at the bottom >> of the page). >> >> >> 21.12.2016 23:55, David Hedlund пишет: >> >> The AMO popularity rank is a key factor in making a good >> decision. uBlock Origin refuse to take donations so this >> cannot be profitable for the devs. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?
I would avoid windows, microsoft, apple, google, and anything from prism at all costs if you want any sort of freedom and privacy to be honest, in my experienced opinion. 28. Dec 2016 14:29 by d...@runbox.com: > But should we add one additional private company (the Mozilla Foundation) to > the threat list? Or lessen the threat of Win10 by using GNU in its place? > > -- > > -Dan Q > > > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:26:20 +0100 (CET), <> awake...@tutanota.de> > wrote: > >> Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a >> better browser it's completely and pathetically negated by the very fact >> that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to spy the >> ** out of everyone who uses it. >> windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10 >> minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's >> your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking >> yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of >> using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain >> silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but just >> changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up prism. >> facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the MAN!), >> aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and literally just >> give the nsa whatever they want. wake up. >> >> >> >> 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by >> d...@runbox.com>> : >> >> >> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford >> > cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack >> > technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree >> > browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have >> > two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I >> > need the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute >> > for a television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM >> > machine for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM >> > and privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you? >> > >> > -- >> > >> > -Dan Q >> > >> > >> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia <> >> >> > informat...@actiu.net>> > > wrote: >> > >> >> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes" >> >> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not. >> >> >> >> >> >> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit: >> >> > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a >> >> > little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use >> >> > Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > -Dan Q >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn <>> >> >> >> > bernardl...@openmailbox.org>> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he >> >> >> launches the said browser. >> >> >> >> >> >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the >> >> >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a >> >> >> "add/remove >> >> >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet >> >> >> explorer (has well has others functions) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution. >> >> >> Good luck >> >> >> >> >> >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit : >> >> >>> Hello, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I >> >> >>> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to >> >> >>> set IceCat as a default browser? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thank you in advance. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Btw. I found this >> >> >> >> >>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x>> >> >> >>> >> , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO >> >> >>> x64bit. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> >> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?
"Information source?" I hate to be that person that says to go use a search engine but if you check out startpage.com and youtube you will find a few good results. "I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity theft if your social security number was involved." and somehow they seem to get away with it. Prism. 28. Dec 2016 14:33 by d...@runbox.com: > I know. I'd imagine that would violate trade secrets laws, or identity theft > if your social security number was involved. > > -- > > -Dan Q > > > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:23:33 +0100, Narcis Garcia <> informat...@actiu.net> > > wrote: > >> "windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to >> 10 minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft" >> >> Information source? >> >> >> El 28/12/16 a les 18:26, >> awake...@tutanota.de>> ha escrit: >> > Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a >> > better browser it's completely and pathetically negated by the very >> > fact that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to >> > spy the ** out of everyone who uses it. >> > windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10 >> > minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's >> > your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking >> > yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of >> > using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain >> > silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but >> > just changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up >> > prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the >> > MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and >> > literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up. >> > >> > >> > >> > 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by >> d...@runbox.com>> <>> mailto:d...@runbox.com>> >: >> > >> > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only >> > afford cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because >> > they lack technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced >> > to use unfree browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings >> > of Firefox? I have two computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of >> > which I built myself. I need the Windows computer for a few unfree >> > things, mainly as a substitute for a television for my bedroom, and >> > when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine for whatever reason, I'd >> > rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and privacy risks like >> > Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you? >> > >> > -- >> > >> > -Dan Q >> > >> > >> > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia >> > <>> informat...@actiu.net>> <>> mailto:informat...@actiu.net>> >> >> > wrote: >> > >> > "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes" >> > I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not. >> > >> > >> > El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit: >> > > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's >> > why I was a little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, >> > when I have to use Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy >> > even if it isn't much. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > -Dan Q >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn >> > <>> bernardl...@openmailbox.org >> > <>> mailto:bernardl...@openmailbox.org>> >> wrote: >> > > >> > >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he >> > >> launches the said browser. >> > >> >> > >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go >> > in the >> > >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a >> > "add/remove >> > >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can >> > remove internet >> > >> explorer (has well has others functions) >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution. >> > >> Good luck >> > >> >> > >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit : >> > >>> Hello, >> > >>> >> > >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO >> > x64bit, but I can't click on set it as a default browser. Is >> > there any chance to set IceCat as a default browser? >> > >>> >> > >>> Thank you in advance. >> > >>> >> > >>> Btw. I found this >> > >> >> > http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x >> > , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO >> > x64bit. >>
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat browser default on Windows 7?
Oh Come On. if you use IceCat on windows for privacy benefits of using a better browser it's completely and pathetically negated by the very fact that IceCat is running in an operating system who's very job is to spy the ** out of everyone who uses it. windows literally takes a picture of your desktop every 10 seconds to 10 minutes and garbles it into a png file and sends it to microsoft. that's your passwords, your social security number, your entire life. tricking yourself into believing that you get any security related benefit out of using a good browser on a very very bad operating system is just plain silly. windows even lets you change privacy and security settings, but just changes them back for you later when you are not looking. look up prism. facebook, google, microsoft, apple (who claims to stand up to the MAN!), aol, yahoo, and a few others. they are a part of prism and literally just give the nsa whatever they want. wake up. 11. Dec 2016 13:18 by d...@runbox.com: > You think that people who, through no fault of their own, can only afford > cheap laptops, or are stuck with Secure Boot and TPM because they lack > technical expertise to build a computer, should be forced to use unfree > browsers like Edge and Chrome, or the privacy settings of Firefox? I have two > computers, one Win10 and one Xubuntu, both of which I built myself. I need > the Windows computer for a few unfree things, mainly as a substitute for a > television for my bedroom, and when I'm stuck with this pretty DRM machine > for whatever reason, I'd rather use a GNU project browser than DRM and > privacy risks like Edge, Chrome, and Firefox. Wouldn't you? > > -- > > -Dan Q > > > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:09 +0100, Narcis Garcia <> informat...@actiu.net> > > wrote: > >> "IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes" >> I don't subscribe this sentence. Completely not. >> >> >> El 04/12/16 a les 22:29, Daniel Quintiliani ha escrit: >> > IceCat is more needed on unfree OSes than free OSes. That's why I was a >> > little bummed to not see a Windows release of v45, when I have to use >> > Windows I'd like a little freedom and privacy even if it isn't much. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > -Dan Q >> > >> > >> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:19:32 +0100, mdn <>> bernardl...@openmailbox.org>> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> If I am not mistaken,Normally if windows has only one browser he >> >> launches the said browser. >> >> >> >> Uninstall any other browser (IE included) to uninstall IE go in the >> >> uninstall software section (in the control panel) there is a "add/remove >> >> windows components" button (up left) from where you can remove internet >> >> explorer (has well has others functions) >> >> >> >> >> >> Be careful and see to migrate one day to a gnu distribution. >> >> Good luck >> >> >> >> Le 04/12/2016 02:05, Petr Vláčil a écrit : >> >>> Hello, >> >>> >> >>> I started using this browser as a main on Windows 7 PRO x64bit, but I >> >>> can't click on set it as a default browser. Is there any chance to set >> >>> IceCat as a default browser? >> >>> >> >>> Thank you in advance. >> >>> >> >>> Btw. I found this >> >> >>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/set-gnu-icecat-as-default-browser-in-windows-8-x>> >> >>> , but I don't know, whether is this functional on Windows 7 PRO x64bit. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> > >> >> -- >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org > > > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45.5.1 for Windows?
bleh... why would IceCat release on windows? that's like giving someone a bandaid if they need a doctor. the amount of hard work the devs do will be wasted on a release on a system that contradicts the very philosophical values of IceCat. that effort should be spent better making IceCat better where it matters. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 20. Dec 2016 12:25 by jw...@web.de: > When will IceCat 45.5.1 for Windows be released? Or has Windows support been > dropped? There is no Windows version to download in the repository > > http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/45.5.1> . > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] uBlock hit 3rd place on AMO
I really like spyblock. it just works and I don't have to worry about ublock that's constantly being aggressively shilled everywhere like linux mint. please let me just keep my spyblock. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 21. Dec 2016 12:40 by pub...@beloved.name: > > On 2016-12-21 18:34, Sedov Andrey wrote: > > >> >> I'm not arguing that a high rating is more donations. More >> donations is the best development software. But the betrayal of the idea >> Adblock = this betrayal.>> > I said that uBlock Origin refuse to take donations. The author, > Raymond Hill, is against it, thus nobody can sue him as they triedwith > the Adblock Plus company Eyeo. > > > >> >> I think that GNU's fair. Adblock is not fair. I think people are >> coasting (old information) make a choice Adblock.But over time more people >> will use uBlock Origin and less use of Adblock. And ratings for AMO Adblock >> will decrease uBlock Origin will improve (heh... I know I'm naive and >> idealist:) )So I think that the way IceCat SpyBlock is the way with uBlock >> Origin, but not the path with the traitor Adblock.>> > > > If you have a Savannah account, then please put your vote on > > http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?49606> (click on "Votes" at the bottom of > the page). > > >> >> >> 21.12.2016 23:55, David Hedlundпишет: >> >> >>> TheAMO popularity rank is a key factor in making a good decision. >>> uBlock Origin refuse to take donations so this cannot be >>> profitable for the devs. >> >> > > -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Looking for gnuzilla filter lists
You do know that page isn't the only filter page in the entire internet correct? I love the functionality of spyblock and I would rather stop using icecat all together if it used "shillUblock" 17. Nov 2016 20:09 by pub...@beloved.name: > > > I added this to bug> https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?49615 > > > Gnuzilla's Spyblock filter hompage (> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org/filters/> ) >is down at this writing. > > If it is down for good, then I vote to remove Spyblock completely. > > > > > > On 2016-11-17 02:15, Collin M. Barrett wrote: > > >> >> I am looking for the filter lists that used to be hosted >> below. It seems like that subdomain is no longer online. Arethese >> lists gone, moved, or is this a temporary outage? Thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org/filters/blacklist.txt >> >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org/filters/third-party.txt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Collin M. Barrett >> >> >> collinmbarrett.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -->> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org>> > >-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Build Spyblock from uBlock Origin
"µblock origin is really a good extension I personally use it icecat. We could go further with umatrix but people are too much disturbed by it." ublock and umatrix as well as other similarly named addons were (and continue to be) heavily shilled by an unknown group of people that seem to desperately want those addons installed on every single browser everywhere. the fact that they are pushing those so incredibly hard makes me instantly reject them forever. if GNU icecat ever gets ublock or umatrix, I will personally abandon GNU icecat because I will no longer trust it. spyblock is great, does one job, and does it good. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 26. Sep 2016 19:28 by bernardl...@openmailbox.org: > Icecat is already limited by the number of volunteers, I would like to > volunteer but my capacities are I think to limited to help on a > technical level for now (if someone has spare time to teach me I have no > problem with learning). > Reusing software that works especially if they are under GPL is I think > not a problem. > > Users have always the freedom to deactivate them and put something else, > contrarily to the "eme" and other bad software that mozilla integrated. > > µblock origin is really a good extension I personally use it icecat. > We could go further with umatrix but people are too much disturbed by it. > > A functionality that would be interesting is when icecat opens for the > first time, a new window could propose to activate the addons in the > browser with a small explication of what it does. > > Le 23/09/2016 19:51, Ivan Zaigralin a écrit : >> Please do not take this as anything but constructive criticism. I fully >> understand how limited the >> resources are, and I firmly believe that even in the present state icecat & >> most of the bundled >> features are incredibly useful and effective. I am merely trying to point >> out some directions for >> future development, once the resources are plentiful :) >> >> I believe icecat should do something more drastic than simply switch the >> adblocker. Something >> needs to change in the way features are added. It was a technical mistake to >> put core >> functionality into an existing adblocker, just as it is far from ideal to >> bundle https everywhere. >> This practice robs users of their freedom to choose addons, and it breaks >> icecat when it is >> repackaged for inclusion into a distribution (maintainers have to choose >> between locking users >> into a specific addon combination, or stripping addons, with both options >> clearly bad). >> >> One cromulent way to include functionality is by producing own in-house >> addons, like LibreJS, >> which minimize the interference with other addons by narrowing their >> function and keeping a >> separate namespace. >> >> Instead of writing features into an adblocker or httpser, these features >> need to be decoupled, so >> that users are free choose among dozens of functional equivalents, without >> sacrificing the extra >> privacy provided by gnuzilla code. >> >> On Friday, September 23, 2016 09:48:36 Sedov Andrey wrote: >>> Adblock Plus began to distribute advertising (Acceptable Ads Platform >>> <>>> https://AcceptableAds.com/Platform>>> >) = Adblock Plus died. uBlock >>> Origin >>> is the only solution. >>> >>> 23.09.2016 08:56, David Hedlund пишет: I think it is time to build Spyblock from Adblock Plus (ABP) to uBlock Origin (uBO). Adblock Plus is as usually the most popular add-on on addons.mozilla.org but have grow less popular over time, while uBlock Origin is currently the 6th most popular add-on on addons.mozilla.org and have grow more popular over time. uBlock Origin one of the fastest trending add-on I've seen. uBO has dozens of features that's missing in ABP. For example uBO can block popunders that ABP cannot. -- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> >> >> >> -- >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> > > -- > Note: veuillez s'il vous plaît utiliser GnuPg pour nos futures conversations > https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/fr > Plus d'info ici: > http://www.bibmath.net/crypto/index.php?action=affiche=moderne/pgp > > Message envoyé avec GNU Icedove un fork de Thunderbird > https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Icedove-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Build Spyblock from uBlock Origin
I might agree only if these addons are extremely easy to add for a "normie" user back into GNU icecat as they choose. 1. normie downloads GNU icecat 2. normie clicks and downloads GNU icecat addons with a single click from the GNU icecat website 3. everyone is happy and nobody gets what they do not want. we shouldn't be forcing anyone to have or not have something. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 23. Sep 2016 13:51 by melik...@melikamp.com: > > Please do not take this as anything but constructive criticism. I fully > understand how limited the resources are, and I firmly believe that even in > the present state icecat & most of the bundled features are incredibly useful > and effective. I am merely trying to point out some directions for future > development, once the resources are plentiful :) > > > > I believe icecat should do something more drastic than simply switch the > adblocker. Something needs to change in the way features are added. It was a > technical mistake to put core functionality into an existing adblocker, just > as it is far from ideal to bundle https everywhere. This practice robs users > of their freedom to choose addons, and it breaks icecat when it is repackaged > for inclusion into a distribution (maintainers have to choose between locking > users into a specific addon combination, or stripping addons, with both > options clearly bad). > > > > One cromulent way to include functionality is by producing own in-house > addons, like LibreJS, which minimize the interference with other addons by > narrowing their function and keeping a separate namespace. > > > > Instead of writing features into an adblocker or httpser, these features need > to be decoupled, so that users are free choose among dozens of functional > equivalents, without sacrificing the extra privacy provided by gnuzilla code. > > > > On Friday, September 23, 2016 09:48:36 Sedov Andrey wrote: > > > Adblock Plus began to distribute advertising (Acceptable Ads Platform > > > <> https://AcceptableAds.com/Platform> >) = Adblock Plus died. uBlock Origin > > > is the only solution. > > > > > > 23.09.2016 08:56, David Hedlund пишет: > > > > I think it is time to build Spyblock from Adblock Plus (ABP) to uBlock > > > > Origin (uBO). > > > > > > > > Adblock Plus is as usually the most popular add-on on > > > > addons.mozilla.org but have grow less popular over time, while uBlock > > > > Origin is currently the 6th most popular add-on on addons.mozilla.org > > > > and have grow more popular over time. uBlock Origin one of the fastest > > > > trending add-on I've seen. > > > > > > > > uBO has dozens of features that's missing in ABP. For example uBO can > > > > block popunders that ABP cannot. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
agreed 100% -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 23. Sep 2016 13:51 by d...@runbox.com: > AFTER fixing the security bugs to make IceCat SAFE TO USE AT ALL. > > -- > > -Dan Q > > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:37:07 +0200, Narcis Garcia <> informat...@actiu.net> > > wrote: > >> >> GNUzilla should assume abandoned responsibility by Mozilla with the users. >> > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Build Spyblock from uBlock Origin
spyblock is an excellent addon. why in the world should we waste our effort adding a heavily shilled addon when we could focus our efforts to improve GNU icecat, and then make possible improvements (not that any are needed) to spyblock later? spyblock has never ever given me a single problem or failed me in any way. as simple as it is, it has done it's job just fine without lagging my potato of a computer. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 23. Sep 2016 13:48 by d...@runbox.com: > uBlock Origin a bit of a learning curve for Adblock Plus users but I do agree > we should switch. > > But, more importantly, get out an updated, secure IceCat release before > making feature enhancements. > > -- > > -Dan Q > > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:48:36 +0700, Sedov Andrey <> sedov...@yandex.ru> > > wrote: > >> Adblock Plus began to distribute advertising (Acceptable Ads Platform >> <>> https://AcceptableAds.com/Platform>> >) = Adblock Plus died. uBlock >> Origin >> is the only solution. >> >> >> 23.09.2016 08:56, David Hedlund пишет: >> > I think it is time to build Spyblock from Adblock Plus (ABP) to uBlock >> > Origin (uBO). >> > >> > Adblock Plus is as usually the most popular add-on on >> > addons.mozilla.org but have grow less popular over time, while uBlock >> > Origin is currently the 6th most popular add-on on addons.mozilla.org >> > and have grow more popular over time. uBlock Origin one of the fastest >> > trending add-on I've seen. >> > >> > uBO has dozens of features that's missing in ABP. For example uBO can >> > block popunders that ABP cannot. >> > >> > -- >> > >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org >> -- >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org > > > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] IceCat 45 IMPORTANT consideration: Keep cookie prompt "ask me every time"
Do you see the agenda here? we are being attacked by shills. this is why there is suddenly so much (politics) here. they do not approve of GNU icecat. just like ((they) do not approve of GMO labeling, or laws that protect the second amendment, or anything that upholds the freedoms of this crumbling country. why was a hero like edward snowden hunted like an animal? ask yourself who benefits from the failure of GNU icecat. ask yourself why system-d was created and forced into ALL linux out of nowhere for no reason, just as people switched over to run from windows 10, soylent green edition? -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 23. Sep 2016 13:21 by m...@netris.org: > "Daniel Quintiliani" <> d...@runbox.com> > writes: > >> Why is everyone so opposed to an addon for something that nobody uses? >> I can't imagine anyone clicking 20 dialog boxes per each loaded banner >> ad. So opposed to using an addon that they are unwilling to update >> serious security problems in software? >> >> All I know is that all of this politics is aggravating me and I have >> not used IceCat in months for my own personal safety. I not only have >> Linux but Windows to worry about so having security is more important >> than whether something should be farmed out to an already existing >> addon or included in the browser. IceCat can be a great alternative as >> it's pro-privacy and anti-DRM. All our arguing has delayed an IceCat >> release for too long and we will not be taken seriously as a free >> browser if we keep arguing about cookies until Firefox 60.0 ESR is >> released. > > Except for the part about politics, I fully agree with Daniel. I care > about cookies as well, but the built-in "ask me every time" option was > never satisfactory, because it involves asking the user far too many > questions. > > The only satisfactory solution I've found for cookies involve add-ons. > I've been using "Cookie Monster", which works well enough that I've not > tried any others. GNU IceCat already depends on add-ons for critically > important functionality (e.g. avoiding non-free Javascript), so why not > rely on add-ons for cookies? > > Regardless of your opinion on that, asking the IceCat maintainer to make > additional non-trivial changes to upstream Firefox, when he's obviously > too over-burdened with his existing workload, is counter-productive. > Perhaps you do not understand how much work would be involved. > > David, have you tried "Cookie Monster", or any other similar add-on? > > Mark > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Build Spyblock from uBlock Origin
''uBlock Origin is theonlysolution." we have spyblock and that works great. why fix what isn't broken? why are you pushing this so hard? -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 22. Sep 2016 22:48 by sedov...@yandex.ru: > > > > > > Adblock Plusbeganto distribute advertising (> Acceptable > Ads Platform> ) = Adblock Plus died. uBlock Origin is theonly >solution. > > > > > 23.09.2016 08:56, David Hedlund пишет: > > >> I think it is time to build Spyblock from Adblock Plus (ABP) to >> uBlock Origin (uBO). >> >> Adblock Plus is as usually the most popular add-on on >> addons.mozilla.org but have grow less popular over time, while uBlock >> Origin is currently the 6th most popular add-on on addons.mozilla.org >> and have grow more popular over time. uBlock Origin one of the fastest >> trending add-on I've seen. >> >> uBO has dozens of features that's missing in ABP. For example uBO >> can block popunders that ABP cannot. >> >> -- >> >> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org>> >> > >-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Build Spyblock from uBlock Origin
WARNING! ublock and other similary named addons have been shilled by (disinformation agents) on the internet like crazy in the past two years. it is not known why these "shills" want this but I will say this one thing. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH SPYBLOCK. that is why they want to kill it, just like they killed every single other alternative addon to adblock plus. there are no non-AAA mainstream options left for anyone at this point besides spyblock. spyblock is an excellent addon that does it's job and needs no changes. don't fall for this people. GNU icecat is the last bastion of freedom and privacy in any browser available while still being capable of viewing the internet efficiently. DO NOT FALL FOR THIS. trust your instincts. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 22. Sep 2016 21:56 by pub...@beloved.name: > I think it is time to build Spyblock from Adblock Plus (ABP) to uBlock Origin > (uBO). > > Adblock Plus is as usually the most popular add-on on addons.mozilla.org but > have grow less popular over time, while uBlock Origin is currently the 6th > most popular add-on on addons.mozilla.org and have grow more popular over > time. uBlock Origin one of the fastest trending add-on I've seen. > > uBO has dozens of features that's missing in ABP. For example uBO can block > popunders that ABP cannot. > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Keeping Firefox Addons As They Are
of course, why do you think they))) are making the change? -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 31. Aug 2016 06:50 by allanitomw...@gmail.com: > Hello, > I wanted to find out, with Firefox switching to chrome like addons, will > IceCat make the switch as well, or continue to support current style addons? > I'm not exactly convinced all browsers need to be on the same addon platform, > especially since mozilla has more powerful addons than chrome, that make > stronger changes to the browser especially in the areas of themeing, and > privacy. >-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] [Slackbuilds-users] icecat 38.8.0 crashes
I don't like what I'm reading. "- it should be possible to add-on other well designed and performant modules (example (but not necessarily), HTTPS monitor/enforce, adblocker monitor/enforce and so on)" "I am not entirely clear what it is specifically at the heart of Firefox that has driven Icecat to exist, other than perhaps it has some undesirable things creeping into or existing in it. " people absolutely hate how browsers like "normie firefox" and google chrome step on and crush the freedom and privacy of good people, just like the windows 10 operating system from microsoft. the THOUSANDS of people that have switched over to GNU/LINUX and GNU icecat as a browser is a direct answer to those who oppose freedom and privacy and we shouldn't EVER compromise on what makes it great. also voted for Donald Trump because those who work for the system seem to strongly dislike him. people, don't get rid of GNU icecat's excellent addons like "spyblock". shills want to remove these from GNU icecat because they are the only simple and pure untainted uncorrupted addblockers left ANYWHERE. may the force be with you all. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 27. Aug 2016 04:14 by b...@shroggslodge.freeserve.co.uk: > Hello and good day to all reading this debate > > From my perspective and without insinuating Icecat, Firefox, or any other > software does or does not provide these things, I would see the requirement > of the 'libre' browser like this: > > - the browser (Icecat in this case) should be performant and do its one job > [of browsing] extremely well meeting any standards as required > - the browser should be secure; as in bug/security-hole free and be part of a > maintenance effort to ensure such > - in line with the first requirement [listed above] the browser should be > made available clean of any other 'addons', hidden marketing/feedback stuff > etc > - it should be possible to add-on other well designed and performant modules > (example but not necessarily, HTTPS monitor/enforce, adblocker > monitor/enforce and so on) > > I am not entirely clear what it is specifically at the heart of Firefox that > has driven Icecat to exist, other than perhaps it has some undesirable things > creeping into or existing in it. > > It would seem a good base to take Firefox and 'clean it up' (of any > legitimate concerns and other code that stop it meeting the opinion > requirements above) to leave a clean and performant browser; then to ensure > some quality addons, that do not intrinsically need to be part of the core > code, for providing additional requirements security and 'lock-down' are made > available as a choice to employ. > > It is all about instruction and making it easy, for users to add on what they > need to the browser and not necessarily doing the job for them by building it > in. That is how I see it. > > From saying all the above, I suppose I am more in line with having a good > base line browser, clear and stripped down with regard to inbuilt > functionality which can be provided better (and through choice) by > addons/modules. > > I am presuming Firefox is a good base for Icecat to be the above 'vision' (as > i see it as a user), but if it is not any more and the effort to 'clean it > up' from concerns (if that is what Icecat has intended) is now not feasible, > then I am not sure what the future for Icecat is. I do not believe Icecat > should come with things built in, that can be added as choice. It does not > detract from being able to claim the browser is 'libre' or whatever the claim > is that is trying to be met. > > Long ago, I thought the intention of Firefox was to be all the things > discussed above and that Icecat tries to/does do - what happened if anything > and why! > > Thank you for allowing me to share my observation and opinion. > Peace and goodwill to all. > Habs > > > > On 27 August 2016 at 00:32, <> awake...@tutanota.de> > wrote: > >> >> I get what you mean, but alot of people out there aren't >> necessarily idiots, but rather they don't have a specialty in technology. >> many people, even many who use free software rather have a simple >> firefox/icecat browser that just comes with the evil things removed and some >> good things added to protect them so that they have to do the minimal amount >> of set up to just get it working. >> >> if it doesn't "just werk" many people just throw it right in the trash and >> go to an easier option. what's so great about icecat is that it IS that >> easier option and it's also better for security than a normal firefox >> browser. take away the benefit to using it and it's just some boring browser >> that does nothing special at all. >> >> I'm absolutely not in any way at all suggesting we take away the choice or >> freedom from the user, but if all the good things about icecat are removed >> and most smart
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] [Slackbuilds-users] icecat 38.8.0 crashes
I get what you mean, but alot of people out there aren't necessarily idiots, but rather they don't have a specialty in technology. many people, even many who use free software rather have a simple firefox/icecat browser that just comes with the evil things removed and some good things added to protect them so that they have to do the minimal amount of set up to just get it working. if it doesn't "just werk" many people just throw it right in the trash and go to an easier option. what's so great about icecat is that it IS that easier option and it's also better for security than a normal firefox browser. take away the benefit to using it and it's just some boring browser that does nothing special at all. I'm absolutely not in any way at all suggesting we take away the choice or freedom from the user, but if all the good things about icecat are removed and most smart people (who aren't good in tech) have to spend 10 million frustrating headache hours pounding their head into their computer screen searching for answers on dead forums with spiderwebs in the corners and those weird mods who delete topics with answers to obsucure questions and failing to find any answers and desperately trying to add those good things back into firefox, they will simply just stop using icecat out of frustration. smart people who can't figure out tech will just scream and cry at their computer screens in frustration as the very last FOSS minimalistic browser with some security features in existance becomes the "generic do-nothing browser" that already exists all over the internet in many different redundant and boring forms. there are loads of browsers out there already that do "nothing but browse" so why should we de-specialize icecat? why make it so normal that it's not worth using it? I love the fact that icecat is very minimalistic, but I'm very happy that it comes what it comes with and many others are too. we shouldn't bloat icecat to death because look at what happened to mainstream firefox, but we shouldn't gut it to death until its a hollow shell that does nothing. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 20. Aug 2016 16:11 by hjen...@gmx.de: > Hi, > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:50:14 +0100 (BST) > <> awake...@tutanota.de> > wrote: > >> sounds really nice, but why would we want to pass along such strongly >> minimalistic >> "un-de-freedomed" browsers along to the normal people specifically without >> added security features? this basically lands them back right where they >> started since they are immediately washed clean and then re-exposed to the >> filth of the world again. we have to help them but "here don't go alone, >> take this!" without security- without defense there is nothing worth >> defending. > > I don't quite understand. A libre web browser does give people a > browser which does not download proprietary plugins without asking nor > suggest to install non-free Addons. Privacy aware search engines are > enabled by default. Why would this lead people back "to the > filth"? Users of free software are not stupid. > > I strongly believe that people must be offered complete free/libre > software. But we don't have to lecture them like children what the can > and can't do. This attitude will provoke contradiction. We can suggest > and recommend - but the choice should be freely made by the user. > > > Regards, > > Henry-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] [Slackbuilds-users] icecat 38.8.0 crashes
sounds really nice, but why would we want to pass along such strongly minimalistic "un-de-freedomed" browsers along to the normal people specifically without added security features? this basically lands them back right where they started since they are immediately washed clean and then re-exposed to the filth of the world again. we have to help them but "here don't go alone, take this!" without security- without defense there is nothing worth defending. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 17. Aug 2016 04:35 by hjen...@gmx.de: > Hello, > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:05:28AM -0700, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: > >> Finally, I believe there is a niche opening up for a firefox-based browser >> which is libre and meets free software distrubution guidelines like icecat, >> but has no extra privacy features, and passes all the mozilla pearls onto >> the >> users. Such minimal deblobbing could be potentially more robust: that is, >> new >> releases could be churned out as quickly and reliably as linux-libre. >> Looking >> at Parabola's thunderbird & seamonkey builds, I imagine something like that >> could be done for firefox as well. Anyone can step in and claim the glory >> for >> this one :) I don't have time to write a slackbuild like that and run it by >> FSF, but if anyone did it, I think I would actually switch. > > Parabola GNU/linux and ConnochaetOS have such a liberated mozilla based > Browser based an Debian's Iceweasel. Parabola's Iceweasel is based on > current Firefox, ConnochaetOS uses LTS. > > https://www.parabola.nu/packages/libre/i686/iceweasel > > https://connochaetos.org/slack-n-free/slack-n-free-14.2/xap/iceweasel-45.3.0-i486-1_libre.txz > https://connochaetos.org/slack-n-free/source/src/iceweasel > https://connochaetos.org/slack-n-free/source/dist/slack-n-free-14.2/iceweasel/iceweasel.SlackBuild > > Regards, > > Henry > > > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] [Slackbuilds-users] icecat 38.8.0 crashes
maybe it's a good idea that we learn from "horizontal gene transfer" be inspired by the pieces of the picture that are inspirational. we can always learn something from anything. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 17. Aug 2016 04:14 by informat...@actiu.net: > "not clear why Mozilla would not want the same as Gnuzilla" > > If we look into the deep reality, we'll see that them are 2 different > projects with really different aims. > Mozilla is basically financed by giant corporations with contracts to > benefit those giants' market strategies. This is not always compatible > with privacy and FOSS components > > > El 16/08/16 a les 20:51, > b...@shroggslodge.freeserve.co.uk> ha escrit: >> Thank you for sharing your views Ivan. >> >> I just want to make clear as perhaps my previous post may have given a >> wrong impression. It was not my intention for what I said to be taken as >> criticism of Gnuzilla in any way. >> >> Peoples' efforts on projects such as Gnuzilla, SBo work and all similar >> I find truly amazing. >> >> I must admit I am not clear why Mozilla would not want the same as >> Gnuzilla and why that project would conflict with Gnuzilla ideas. Mind >> you, the complexities of the human condition are huge :-) >> >> Perhaps it is safe to say that it is better to just wait and see how it >> all pans out and what emerges. >> >> Thank you again. >> Peace and good will to all. >> Habs >> >> On 16 August 2016 at 19:05, Ivan Zaigralin <>> melik...@melikamp.com >> <>> mailto:melik...@melikamp.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Personally, I am somewhat unhappy about the gnuzilla update/security >> policy. >> The move to forties apparently is not happening because it breaks >> saved cookie >> preferences or something, but I have to question the wisdom of >> withholding >> fixes for remote code execution because of that. >> >> Having said that, I think we need to take a few factors into >> consideration. >> First of all, it's not gnuzilla's fault firefox is so insequre, it's >> mozilla's >> fault. This browser has like a million holes in it, and may be the most >> updated package in Slackware. Lagging a few releases behind sucks, >> especially >> when the bugs are made public, but at the same time it looks like every >> firefox release in the last few years had terrible security holes in >> it, so I >> don't really feel that much safer using the latest version, and >> neither should >> you. If security is very important to a user, it may be prudent to >> switch >> browsers. >> >> Also, gnuzilla has a mission and a goal, and mozilla is not making >> it easy. >> They keep putting more and more ugly stuff into firefox and changing the >> security policy, like with the cookies above, while gnuzilla team is >> committed >> to releasing a product which meets their rather high standards. As a >> volunteer >> effort, they've done great, and it would be completely unfair to >> chastise them >> for lagging behind mozilla, since gnizilla are not the ones breaking >> it it >> every release cycle. >> >> Finally, I believe there is a niche opening up for a firefox-based >> browser >> which is libre and meets free software distrubution guidelines like >> icecat, >> but has no extra privacy features, and passes all the mozilla pearls >> onto the >> users. Such minimal deblobbing could be potentially more robust: >> that is, new >> releases could be churned out as quickly and reliably as >> linux-libre. Looking >> at Parabola's thunderbird & seamonkey builds, I imagine something >> like that >> could be done for firefox as well. Anyone can step in and claim the >> glory for >> this one :) I don't have time to write a slackbuild like that and >> run it by >> FSF, but if anyone did it, I think I would actually switch. >> >> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 09:57:03 >> >> b...@shroggslodge.freeserve.co.uk >> <>> mailto:b...@shroggslodge.freeserve.co.uk>> > wrote: >> > Good morning >> > >> > Having got latest Icecat building with the -Os switch, it seems >> there are >> > some reports of [serious?] security issues with it. >> > >> > Here is where I first read something: >> > >> >> >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/2016-08/msg0.html>> <>> >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/2016-08/msg0.html>> > >> > >> > And I have seen further discussion and consternation about what to >> do with >> > Icecat and perhaps not using Firefox as base etc. I'm really >> relatively >> > only a 'user' so to speak, so I'm interested to know what others >> feelis >> > there a serious security risk ? >> > >> > I realise this is SBo and not an Icecat forum, but I wonder what
Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] Icecat future development
Sounds really good. we have alot to learn from tor browser. I hope it wont break functionality for normie use or we will loose alot of users. keep in mind that Tor has become severely mainstream and is likely compromised on many levels by the global elite cult that runs our country and our corporations (monsanto anyone). at this point in the world it is no longer a conspiracy theory. it is critical thought. critical fact. we can still learn from torbrowser, but we shouldn't ever truly depend on anyone or anything as 100% safe. remember that. we don't live in a utopia yet. that's for the next life. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 13. Aug 2016 15:47 by n...@we.make.ritual.n0.is: > Hi, > > I had an exchange of ideas with other people after the recent security > announcement of firefox[2]. > The state of torbrowser was brought up in Guix as a problem and a > discussion before, in the attempt to figure out how to package > torbrowser compatible to our system. > > It was pointed out to me that the team which develops torbrowser is > working together with mozilla to upstream their patchset[0][1]. > With this new development and the importance of networks like tor, > it would be a logic choice to switch to torbrowser as upstream of > icecat and follow their development. > At least that's one alternative I can come up with. > This will of course not be torbrowser in its original form, as > adjustments are made. Wether this differs from upstream in the default > unique fingerprint of the browser has to be monitored, but I am not > suggesting to build another torbrowser, just to use it as a more recent, > well maintained firefox codebase for icecat. > For your information, torbrowser recently switched to follow a different > version of firefox than in the last years. > > I don't know about the size of your development team, it is assumed that > it is rather small? In any case, if you need help with tasks, there are > certainly some people interested in helping to make the transition to a > new version. Personally I have limited resources, so I can only be of > limited help. > > I do believe that torbrowser might also benefit from this if tb is > chosen as upstream and fixes are upstreamed to either firefox or > torbrowser depending on the nature of the fix. > > I am aware that this message does not cover every detail I have talked > about on other lists and off-list, but I'd like to get in contact with > you on this topic. > > > Additional question, what's needed to get into the store which icecat > uses? > http://patrol.psyced.org> is a extension which provides more > functionality than https-everywhere. torbrowser 6.0.3 does not use > firefox 48 as a base, but they might be working on a solution for the > forced extensions+addons signing already which will start with FF 48. > > > [0]: > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1260929 > [1]: > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173199 > [2]: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2016-08/msg00277.html > > > thanks and greetings, > -- > ♥Ⓐ ng0 > For non-prism friendly talk find me on > http://www.psyced.org > > -- > http://gnuzilla.gnu.org-- http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
